Re: [Marxism] Sanders on Colbert
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Having watched a clip of that particular exchange on the Guardian just now, I can't say I agree that Colbert was red-baiting him. I do, however, agree that Sanders was quite cowardly and inconsistent in responding to that particular line of questioning...especially since he was just defending his "socialism" on CNN (c.f. http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/17/politics/republican-debate-bernie-sanders/). http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/19/bernie-sanders-visits-stephen-colbert-late-show Bernie Sanders on Colbert: socialism, Super Pacs and why 'liberal' is no insult Associated Press in New York Saturday 19 September 2015 09.33 EDT Equipped with a ‘Feel the Bern’ coffee cup for The Late Show host, the Democratic presidential candidate takes on the 1% and corporate America Bernie Sanders brought a “Feel the Bern” coffee cup for Stephen Colbert along with his message of lifting the middle class, and in return received a rock star’s welcome from the studio audience as a guest on The Late Show on Friday. The independent Vermont senator and Democratic presidential hopeful also brought along statistics to support his cause. “It is a moral outrage that the top one-tenth of 1% today owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90%,” he said, adding that “58% of all new income is going to the top 1%”. To that, as with nearly everything he said, the audience cheered. Sanders, who is currently a strong rival to Hillary Clinton in Iowa and New Hampshire, said it was time Americans demand that “government start working for all of us, not just the few”. Colbert asked him how he expected to go all the way to the White House without forming a Super Pac and soliciting campaign contributions from big donors. “You don’t bring a spoon to a knife fight,” Colbert said. Sanders countered that he was getting small donations from hundreds of thousands of individual contributors instead. “I don’t support the agenda of corporate America or the billionaire class,” he said. “I don’t want their money.” “You are a liberal and you are a socialist, and people call you a liberal and a socialist,” said Colbert impishly. “Why will you not accept those two terms as the insults they are meant to be?” Sanders laughed. “I prefer the term ‘progressive’,” he declared. On 9/19/2015 8:24 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > Posted to FB by Rick Sklader: > > Reality Check: Bernie Sanders appeared on The Late Show Friday night > with Stephen Colbert. Colbert kept calling Sanders a Socialist. > Basically Colbert was red baiting Sanders. Now if it had been me or > many of you I am confident that we would have either counter attacked > this assault by talking truth to power. > > So how did Mr front runner respond? "Stephen I pre- fer to be called a > PROGRESSIVE" (emphasis added). > > Tacking to the right the mark of a highly principled Socialist > yearning to sit in the Oval Office hiding from everyone he's lying to > now. > Get used to it because it's part of a pattern > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/shalva.eliava%40outlook.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sanders on Colbert
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Colbert does not do redbaiting - he does MOCK rebaiting as part of his sendup of Bill O'Reilly and Fox News. Don't expect that to change now that he is a more formal talkshow host. Much too much is made of Sanders 'preferring' the term progressive. Haven't we all called ourselves that at one time or another? There are plenty of other issues to go after Sanders on, but not this. On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Shalva Eliava via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > Having watched a clip of that particular exchange on the Guardian just > now, I can't say I agree that Colbert was red-baiting him. > > I do, however, agree that Sanders was quite cowardly and inconsistent in > responding to that particular line of questioning...especially since he > was just defending his "socialism" on CNN (c.f. > http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/17/politics/republican-debate-bernie-sanders/). > > > http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/19/bernie-sanders-visits-stephen-colbert-late-show > > Bernie Sanders on Colbert: socialism, Super Pacs and why 'liberal' is no > insult > Associated Press in New York > Saturday 19 September 2015 09.33 EDT > > Equipped with a ‘Feel the Bern’ coffee cup for The Late Show host, the > Democratic presidential candidate takes on the 1% and corporate America > > Bernie Sanders brought a “Feel the Bern” coffee cup for Stephen Colbert > along with his message of lifting the middle class, and in return > received a rock star’s welcome from the studio audience as a guest on > The Late Show on Friday. > > The independent Vermont senator and Democratic presidential hopeful also > brought along statistics to support his cause. > > “It is a moral outrage that the top one-tenth of 1% today owns almost as > much wealth as the bottom 90%,” he said, adding that “58% of all new > income is going to the top 1%”. > > To that, as with nearly everything he said, the audience cheered. > > Sanders, who is currently a strong rival to Hillary Clinton in Iowa and > New Hampshire, said it was time Americans demand that “government start > working for all of us, not just the few”. > > Colbert asked him how he expected to go all the way to the White House > without forming a Super Pac and soliciting campaign contributions from > big donors. > > “You don’t bring a spoon to a knife fight,” Colbert said. > > Sanders countered that he was getting small donations from hundreds of > thousands of individual contributors instead. > > “I don’t support the agenda of corporate America or the billionaire > class,” he said. “I don’t want their money.” > > “You are a liberal and you are a socialist, and people call you a > liberal and a socialist,” said Colbert impishly. “Why will you not > accept those two terms as the insults they are meant to be?” > > Sanders laughed. > > “I prefer the term ‘progressive’,” he declared. > > > > On 9/19/2015 8:24 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: > > POSTING RULES & NOTES > > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > > * > > > > Posted to FB by Rick Sklader: > > > > Reality Check: Bernie Sanders appeared on The Late Show Friday night > > with Stephen Colbert. Colbert kept calling Sanders a Socialist. > > Basically Colbert was red baiting Sanders. Now if it had been me or > > many of you I am confident that we would have either counter attacked > > this assault by talking truth to power. > > > > So how did Mr front runner respond? "Stephen I pre- fer to be called a > > PROGRESSIVE" (emphasis added). > > > > Tacking to the right the mark of a highly principled Socialist > > yearning to sit in the Oval Office hiding from everyone he's lying to > > now. > > Get used to it because it's part of a pattern > > _ > > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > > Set your options at: > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/shalva.eliava%40outlook.com > > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: >
[Marxism] Sanders on Colbert
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Posted to FB by Rick Sklader: Reality Check: Bernie Sanders appeared on The Late Show Friday night with Stephen Colbert. Colbert kept calling Sanders a Socialist. Basically Colbert was red baiting Sanders. Now if it had been me or many of you I am confident that we would have either counter attacked this assault by talking truth to power. So how did Mr front runner respond? "Stephen I pre- fer to be called a PROGRESSIVE" (emphasis added). Tacking to the right the mark of a highly principled Socialist yearning to sit in the Oval Office hiding from everyone he's lying to now. Get used to it because it's part of a pattern _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
