Re: [Marxism] further thought
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Clay is one of the few people I know who regularly denounces "the white Left" who isn't a white liberal academic from an elite institution. Still, it's always good to see the barriers coming down. I doubt that the Greens are not as white as the SWP was in 1967. But what I really doubt is whether or not it's a "party" as opposed to a ballot line. This isn't nit-picking because the Greens are not really an end in themselves . . . because most of the state organizations actively resist functioning as a party in any serious sense. Comparing the Greens to the Democrats is just nuts because the former are not going to take power and a vote cast for the Greens isn't going to have much of an impact on what the U.S. government does and who its slaughters over the next four years. A vote for the Greens fits a strategy of breaking the strength of the two-party idiocy. Clay says we have to accept political life in a "binary" system, but I'd suggest that it's is more accurately "bipolar," and we don't really need to embrace the disease if we don't want to do so. On the other hand, we can certainly dismiss as a "racist" "the white Left" that doesn't want to help elect one of the authors of the racialized mass incarceration of the poor and the non-white. All power to the new Judenrat, I guess. ML _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] further thought
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 10/1/16 11:00 AM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism wrote: the Green Party is still a white party. So was the SWP in 1967 with a few exceptions that could be counted by the fingers on one hand. If I wanted to join a left group where racial composition was a litmus test, I would have joined the CPUSA that had lots of Black members including Angela Davis. But sometimes Black people make mistakes. The CPUSA had a very mixed record on Black liberation. While being on the front lines of the civil rights movement, it was hostile to Black nationalism--accusing Malcolm X of dividing the working class, etc. It also propagandized for supporting Democrats just like Clay is doing now. If the Greens have a mostly white membership, it is not because of its program. For example, Jill Stein favors reparations for slavery as opposed to Hillary Clinton supporter Adolph Reed, who despite his brief membership in the Trotskyist movement, argues that the call for reparations will divide the working class. Furthermore, the Green Party cannot transform the USA. It is not a revolutionary party and does not pretend to be one. However, it offers an opportunity to serve as a framework for Marxists to work together to advance the class struggle in the same way that the Corbyn-led Labour Party does. We cannot choose the organizational forms on the basis of Platonic ideals. You have to work with the material at hand. With that it mind, supporting the Democratic Party candidates in 2016 would make me feel irreparably damaged. Clay of course is entitled to his own opinions. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] further thought
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Clay I should have made it clear that I regard the current election campaign as the battle of the monsters. In no sense would I ever sign up to the pro-Trump Left. Not ever - never. If I had a vote it would go to Jill Stein. I also think that there will be no progress in the States (and the world btw), until the Republican-Democrat Duopoly is broken. Again comradely greetings Gary _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
