Re: [Marxism] Obama's Biggest Lie
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Thanks, Shane. This is outrageous. Coincidentally there was an article yesterday at Znet by by Shamus Cooke on Obama's continuing defense of torture: http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/23733 Cooke does a great job detailing Obama's crimes and rationalizations. I have to add, though, that unfortunately the last three paragraphs are just a sloppily tacked-on propagandistic denunciation of the system that breeds torture and war, with no transition or connection that I can see. He could have, with a little creative thought, explained how and why a capitalist system breeds criminality by the rulers and ruled at home and abroad, and the overlap between normal and criminal behavior in such a system (the reverse side of which was displayed in Rebecca Solnit's correct defense of looting in Haiti). Andy Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Obama is not a wimp
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Dan wrote: 2) The answer doesn't lie in a new party. It lies in industrial unions, whereby the working class will seize economic and political power from the ruling class. What we need is organized labour, organized around shop floor democracy. What we need is One Big Union actively preparing for a General Strike that will expropriate the bourgeosie and usher in workers' council, managing society from the bottom-up. Parties prosper on the sense of disempowerement and alienation ordinary people feel. Parties are a fundamentally unhealthy way of achiveing political goals : you give up all your say in the way society should be run on a day-to-day basis and hand it over to a good, clever guy who will save you. This guy will then do all that he can to stay in power and you can bet your pay check that he won't deliver the goods. You'll still be working 60 hours a week for a boss. This is a big waste of bandwidth. This list is not an appropriate forum for calls for communism. It is geared to Marxist analysis of specific social and economic phenomena like climate change, gay marriage, the Green Movement in Iran, immigrant's rights, etc. Please try to be consistent with other contributions here, Dan. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Enlightened CA bans Dictionary Re: Bible Belt boors ban Boshevik bears
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The Bible Belt doesn't have a monopoly on idiocy: http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2010/01/24/oral-sex-gets-dictionary-yanked-from-schools/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] What next ?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == d.koech...@wanadoo.fr writes: We all know that the material basis for the existing relations of production are more important than ideology. How can you separate these things and measure them against each other. Productive forces have been capable of moving beyond capitalism for generations. So what holds them back? ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] glaciergate
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 1/27/10 6:21 PM, Paula wrote: The point of the article is that the 2007 IPCC report misled the public into thinking that global warming since the 1970s has made natural disasters worse. The IPCC was also wrong to claim that the Himalayan glaciers would melt almost completely by 2035. Altogether, the lesson for us is that the so-called 'consensus view' should not be accepted uncritically. but clearly the Himalayan melting was NOT a consensus view, some jerk stuffed it into the IPCC report without properly checking the statement. and when someone who knew better looked close (it was a small part of the report) the whistle did done blew. and there is some evidence in the models that natural disasters could get stronger in intensity, a la Emanuel, etc., so i don't see the general statement that the IPCC report misled. and i don't see you take up the debatable evidence for such an effect. on the IPCC reports: the IPCC aims to be a clearing house for the results of AGW research efforts. is it the best/optimal way to bring the mass of results to the public's attention? not sure ... i am hoping that the East Anglia CRU email debacle convinces climate scientists that they are better off confronting political issues directly, openly, and outwardly, rather than by the rather cowardly behind the scenes shenanigans with journals and such. Recognizing uncertainty - not witch-hunting one's critics - is the right approach for science. the climate modelers responsible for developing and running the GCMs have for years talked about uncertainty, to the point where they attempted to quantify it by ensemble runs. i think you have the identification of the witch-hunting all screwed up, lets remember who originally got hunted. and then, Paula, there are the kooks like Cockburn's recent second-law-of-thermodynamics cronies. let's speak bluntly: they didn't have the guts to try to publish their stuff in the mainstream climate research journals, so they go off and find some off-the-climate-beaten path to publish their ground-breaking trash, and then having it published in such a peer-reviewed journal, the deniers then take it as gospel tested truth. Les Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Obama is Asked: Why Haven't You Condemned Israel?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZVO_LmsV3Ifeature=player_embedded# _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Alistair Hulett: `A truly great singer, songwriter, activist and socialist' + vids | Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == In the early 1980s Alistair was again performing folk material around Sydney and was a founding member of a five-piece punk folk outfit called Roaring Jack, which specialised rocking Celtic reels and radical and revolutionary lyrics. Alistair was an active revolutionary socialist, with the International Socialist Organisation, and he and Roaring jack offered their talents for many benefits, rallies and demonstrations, in support of the antiwar movement and solidarity with workers in struggle. For the next five years the Jacks made a startling impression on the Australian music scene. Their first album, /Street Celtabillity/, was released in 1986 and reached No. 1 on the local indie charts. By the time the second album, /The Cat Among The Pigeons/ was released in 1988 the band was headlining in major Australian rock venues, as well as opening for overseas acts including Billy Bragg, the Pogues, and The Men They Couldn't Hang. The /The Cat Among The Pigeons/ was nominated for an Australian Music Industry Association (ARIA) award and was released in Europe by the German label Intercord. Full article, with videos, at http://links.org.au/node/1484 Subscribe free to Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal at http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=343373 You can also follow Links on Twitter at http://twitter.com/LinksSocialism Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Finance vs. Independence at the Fed
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Richard Smith is a historian who is doing a biography about my mother's cousin. Here is his timely piece about the corrupting influence of finance on the Fed -- in particular about A. P. Giannini got Truman to remove Marriner Eccles from his position as chairman of the Fed. So much for independence. Smith, Richard H. 2010. Breaking News (From 1948): Banking Mogul Ousts Fed Chairman. Huffington Post (28 January). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-h-smith/breaking-news-from-1948-b_b_439398.html -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 530 898 5321 fax 530 898 5901 http://michaelperelman.wordpress.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] glaciergate
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I wrote: 'But there is a problem in this whole debate and that is the consequences of the parties being wrong are not the same. If we global warmers are mistaken, there is no big deal ... [clip] ... But if the Global Warming Deniers are mistaken, then humanity is finished'. Paula replied: Gary, the problem with this logic is that we would always have to act in accordance with the most alarmist claims. Remember the 1970s, when many people were concerned about a coming ice age? Of course, they had a valid point - we are living in an interglacial period that will be eventually followed by a glacial one. But what if we had heeded the most extreme claims? A 1975 article in Newsweek warned about all sorts of disasters being imminent - famines, droughts, tornadoes, freezes, - blamed politicians for not taking action, and suggested alternative schemes to warm up the planet. Luckily those schemes weren't feasible at the time. My reply to Paula's reply. Hi Paula Not so at all. I did not say we would have to follow the most alarmist forecasts, but we should always weigh the consequences in any clash of views. There is a very real problem in this climate change debate and you do not address it. I will repeat it once then no more. The price of the climate deniers being wrong is much greater than the price of the global warmers being wrong. Paula that is a serious thought, and one you side step. Now your point about the 75 scare is hardly relevant. The debate at the present time is generally being conducted by the global warmers at a much more serious level than that one gets in an article in a trashy journal like Newsweek. Please!! I hesitate to mention this but It is worthwhile to apply the cui bono criterion or even the Nietzschean/Foucauldian test of discourse and power to the deniers, especially here in Australia where the Murdoch press is heading the denial team. comradely regards Gary Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] 4 Marxism-Thaxis members have posted 14 papers on Academia.edu
Comrade Price namesake lister, good to hear from you ! Workers of the West, it's our turn. Charles Brown On 1/27/10, Richard Price richard.w.pr...@academia.edu wrote: Dear Marxism-Thaxis members, We just wanted to let you know about some recent activity on the Marxism-Thaxis group on Academia.edu. In the Marxism-Thaxis group on Academia.edu, there are now: - 4 people (2 in the last month) - 14 papers (8 in the last month) - 1 new status update - 1 photo Marxism-Thaxis members’ pages have been viewed a total of 8,461 times, and their papers have been viewed a total of 25 times. To see these people, papers and status updates, follow the link below: http://lists.academia.edu/See-members-of-Marxism-Thaxis Richard Dr. Richard Price, post-doc, Philosophy Dept, Oxford University. Founder of Academia.edu ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies a...
Waistline wrote: Gingrich’s “right wing party of big government” is Webb’s “ultra right.” When Gingrich and Webb advance the same theoretical/political proposition, from radically different ideological points of view, one must ask what the heck is going on. CB: And think it might be true. A major effect of Obama just _being_ President and Black is to drive a section of rightwing extremists nuts such that they come flying out the wordwork ( or exorcised to the body politic surface) and creating a rightwing ...uhh.. I was gonna say fringe, but of course if they form a mass party, they might not be fringe. Anyway, Gingrich's fears of splitting the Republican party to the right ( a hard version of Ross Perot in 1992) could be good for the left. ^^^ Webb is pretty much a garden variety American socialist, steeped in the old tradition of the American populist movement of the 1880’s and its anti-monopoly strategy. CB: That's quaint (smile) Webb is about as close as America can get to the kind of socialist of the era of the rise of European social democracy. Socialism as it evolved in Europe was the petty bourgeois social democratic movement developing against the backdrop of the intersection of fours primary classes driving the transition from feudalism to capitalism. There were other classes and strata, but the four primary classes were serf, nobility, capitalist and proletarians. As a dynamic social movement, socialism collapsed with the Second International. Webb is thus somewhat of an oddball considering that America, founded as a pure capitalist country, has never generated a social democratic movement. What was instead generated was the populist movement and a large anarcho-syndicalism political current or garden variety factory based council communist ideology. . Gingrich political career begins in the post segregation era, winning his fist political office in 1978. He is a radical capitalist politician from Georgia, with all the traditional benchmarks of the historic Southern elite and Southern political establishment. As a former college history professor and author, Gingrich is deeply aware of the revolution in the productive forces, why and how it has changed the historic form of class and forms of wealth world wide. Gingrich distinction is his fight to realign American capitalism on a new technological basis and ultra advanced bourgeois political superstructure. Gingrich steps forth as the intellectual 21 century antithesis of Karl Marx. Between Webb and Gingrich as political poles of capital, arises the need for a class party. Woever specific conditions must exist for a class party rather than a 3rd party. The secret to the conditions is in our own history. III. The pre-Civil War development of the Republican Party is more instructive than searching European history for clues to our own revolutionary process. First, political development goes through particular stages that respond and is conditioned by new technological-economic and social change. Second, this process starts with the destruction of the old party system and creation of a new one. Third, although multiple attempts to build a party responsive to a new political period often take place, the party that succeeds reflects an ability to identify the new needs and how to truly meet them. WL ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Successful demonstration held in Delhi University today
Resist Imperialist Intervention in Higher Education ! A very successful protest demonstration took place in Delhi University at the inauguration of the “European Studies Programme Centre”, in the Department of Sociology. In anticipation of the protest the venue was suddenly changed from the Department of Sociology to the Vice-Chancellor’s Administrative Block. Some one hundred teachers and students protested against this centre being established without the agreement of the concerned department let alone the Academic Council or the Executive Council. Faculty members pointed out how the courses and research programmes were to be changed in the line with the demands of the European Union. A number of students related this development to recent changes in the university in line with neo-liberal policies. Participants pledged to continue the fight against imperialist penetration in the university Participating organisations: All-India Students Association, All-India Students Federation, Campaign for Peace and Democracy (Manipur), Delhi University Reservation Execution Committee, Disha, Forum for Democratic Struggle, Janvadi Shikshak Manch, Krantikari Yuva Sanghatan, Left and Democratic Teachers’ Front, Manipur Students’ Association Delhi, New Socialist Initiative, Progressive Students Union, University Community. 28th January 2010. the inauguration of the “European Studies Programme Centre”, Your Mail works best with the New Yahoo Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads.yahoo.com/in/internetexplorer/ ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
