[Marxism] Cajoun

2010-10-02 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky
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One of the striking issues I discovered long ago on a National
Geographic Magazine (none the less, those that in Zabriskie Point were
burned as an example of the burning of a social class) was that Cajoun
(or Cajun, don´t know right spelling) had no problem in calling
themselves Cajun while they soon discovered when non-Cajun used the
term in a derogatory way. That´s exactly what happens in the large
mass of the Arg population, who are called negros de mierda by the
white skinned, Euro-born, urban middle class and hate it, but also
call each other negro and even negro de mierda in clear knowledge
that there might even exist some tenderness in the words.

Same with hijo de puta, which outside Argentina may well be the
reason for a killing but here can rank from same thing to a most
tender admirative phrase.

I had called Greg bad things before he bullshitted my posting
(which, I have to admit, deserved not such a treatment but something
more polite though on the same line).

All´s OK with me. If I offended Greg, I apologize too.

But, really, if the police mutiny had prospered, Ecuador would now
be under a pro-imperialist regime, probably led by Lucio Gutiérrez.

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Néstor Gorojovsky
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Re: [Marxism] Cajoun

2010-10-02 Thread Greg McDonald
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On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Néstor Gorojovsky nmg...@gmail.com wrote:

 One of the striking issues I discovered long ago on a National
 Geographic Magazine (none the less, those that in Zabriskie Point were
 burned as an example of the burning of a social class) was that Cajoun
 (or Cajun, don´t know right spelling) had no problem in calling
 themselves Cajun while they soon discovered when non-Cajun used the
 term in a derogatory way. That´s exactly what happens in the large
 mass of the Arg population, who are called negros de mierda by the
 white skinned, Euro-born, urban middle class and hate it, but also
 call each other negro and even negro de mierda in clear knowledge
 that there might even exist some tenderness in the words.

 Same with hijo de puta, which outside Argentina may well be the
 reason for a killing but here can rank from same thing to a most
 tender admirative phrase.

 I had called Greg bad things before he bullshitted my posting
 (which, I have to admit, deserved not such a treatment but something
 more polite though on the same line).

 All´s OK with me. If I offended Greg, I apologize too.

 But, really, if the police mutiny had prospered, Ecuador would now
 be under a pro-imperialist regime, probably led by Lucio Gutiérrez.

 --

 Néstor Gorojovsky


I was feeling more exasperation with the typical I'm too busy now to
deal with this issue line than with feeling offended in any way,
Nestor. I'm happy you posted those excellent articles.

I also like DW's response.

Now, in terms of pro-imperialism or anti-imperialism, I feel more
drawn to the position of CONAIE. It seems to me that folks on the
outside of Ecuador are more likely to see Correa's regime and his
middle-class, urban mestizo supporters with anti-imperialist
rose-colored glasses than do those leftists who actually live inside
the country.

Greg


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