Re: [Marxism] Stalinism and Bakuninism (was: Earliest use of word Stalinism?)

2010-08-01 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky
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No, no. I could understand the link with Bukharin. Nobody who has read
Deutscher´s biographies can fail to do that, not to speak of Trotsky
himself, etc.

But Bakunin of all people.

However, Lüko´s suggestion and explanation are heavily compelling, indeed.

And in more respects than one it sheds light on current events in many
places, BTW.

2010/8/1 DW dwalters...@gmail.com:


 I suspect that when Nestor first raised this he meant to say Bukharin not
 Bakunin. Bukharin was the first to raise the issue Socialism in one
 Country. I see that both the Bolshevik and Anarchist in question often get
 transposed with one another other.

 DAvid


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Re: [Marxism] Stalinism and Bakuninism (was: Earliest use of word Stalinism?)

2010-08-01 Thread Greg McDonald
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On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Lüko Willms lueko.wil...@t-online.de wrote:

 I have long believed that Stalinism (particularly in its
 post-Khruschevian form) was some particular version of
 Social-Democracy, a Social-Democracy without a bourgeoisie to do the
 dirty task.

  They are both a petty-bourgeois current exploiting the working-class
 movement, but the social basis is different.

  The social basis of social-democracy is intimately tied in with their own
 bourgeoisie in that respective country, finding its primary social support in
 the trade-union burocracy and the municipal burocracy (this latter is the
 case at least in Germany).

   The other current, which we know as stalinism, is -- as you say -- not so
 intimately linked with its national bourgeoisie, and can act more
 independently of that.

   Consider the left turn in the late 1940ies of stalinist parties worldwide
 after the Kreml finally realised that the US empire was not good friend. It 
 is
 in that period, that stalinists in Colombia started an armed struggle, that 
 the
 revolutionists in China and Vietnam were encouraged to go on the offensive,
 and that time, when in Eastern Europe the burocratically deformed revolutions
 ended the direct capitalist rule in a number of countries.

 But this is quite original, for me! Why would you say that Stalinism
 roots in Bakunin?

   It is this program of a barracks communism (Kasernenhofkommunismus),
 as Marx called it in its critique of the Bakuninist split of the first 
 International,
 the gangsterism of a petty bourgeois layer detached from a real unity with
 the working classes, the strong-arm tactics against political opponents and
 the mistrust against the working class as such which has to be commanded
 but not led, all this is first found in Bakunin and his followers, and could
 develop to a larger extent only after the foundations of a workers state
 brought about by the Russian Revolution provided such a layer a power base,
 on which same-minded groups in other countries could rely on.

   The horror of the Pol-Pot-Regime is another manifestation of that.

   Also think of the burning tires as neck laces to discipline Black 
 workers
 by a stalinist wing of the ANC.

   This insight came me after reading Martín Koppel's pamphlet Peru's
 Shining Path - Anatomy of a reactionary sect, published in 1993 by
 Pathfinder Press (Spanish as Sendero Luminoso - Evolución de una secta
 estalinista in 1994 http://www.pathfinderpress.com/s.nl/it.A/id.599/.f).

   This Bakuninism is quite different from what we know as Anarchism today,
 in which individualism plays a central role, and where groups end up by all of
 them hanging out shingle or starting a business on their own.


 Saludos revolucionarios desde el viejo continente,
 Lüko Willms
 Frankfurt, Germany


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Re: [Marxism] Stalinism and Bakuninism (was: Earliest use of word Stalinism?)

2010-08-01 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky
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Please, Greg, don´t hurry at conclusions.

I, for one, _do_  understand the basic idea that

  the gangsterism of a petty bourgeois layer detached from a real unity with
 the working classes, the strong-arm tactics against political opponents and
 the mistrust against the working class as such which has to be commanded
 but not led, all this

which according to Lüko (and IMHO not without strong reason) is first
found in Bakunin and his followers, etc., nurtures strong stalinist
tendencies (even though they don´t bear the name). I am portraying
some of today´s politicians of the Left (even of my own generic
current) who would fit that description and I would easily imagine
leading a police state against (and at the same time on behalf of) the
working class in the hypotesis of a workers state developing in Arg in
the near future.

   This insight came me after reading Martín Koppel's pamphlet Peru's
 Shining Path - Anatomy of a reactionary sect, published in 1993 by
 Pathfinder Press (Spanish as Sendero Luminoso - Evolución de una secta
 estalinista in 1994 http://www.pathfinderpress.com/s.nl/it.A/id.599/.f).

   This Bakuninism is quite different from what we know as Anarchism today,
 in which individualism plays a central role, and where groups end up by all 
 of
 them hanging out shingle or starting a business on their own.


As to Sendero, their historic and political role (we are not talking
about their idealist heroism) was as nefarious as anything can be.


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