Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fidel Castro Blasts Ahmadinejad As Anti-Semitic
Yes, due to the growth in population in Latin America and the greater spread of TV and radio, no doubt. I meant 'don't listen' in the sense of 'don't heed'. Reading through the crap on A., the guy really doesn't know what he is talking about, but that never stopped him before. I still think Castro has been more right than wrong on most matters, but not this one, if the reports from zionist bloggers are to be believed. CJ ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fidel Castro Blasts Ahmadinejad As Anti-Semitic
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:58 PM, CeJ wrote: >>>Castro was the one who put out the big alarm about the US sending > ships to harass Iran. He is not some heavy critic of Iran and is a > long term critic of Israel, which is why his very specific and narrow > criticism of A is significant. A probably sees it as advice from an > "ancestor" who is not yet a pile of ashes.<< > > The problem is no one listens to Castro much anymore--well, Atlantic > bloggers do. CB: Probably as many people listen to him now as have ever listened to him ^ > > I'm not really sure he knows what A.'s views are. > > ___ > Marxism-Thaxis mailing list > Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu > To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis > ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fidel Castro Blasts Ahmadinejad As Anti-Semitic
>>Castro was the one who put out the big alarm about the US sending ships to harass Iran. He is not some heavy critic of Iran and is a long term critic of Israel, which is why his very specific and narrow criticism of A is significant. A probably sees it as advice from an "ancestor" who is not yet a pile of ashes.<< The problem is no one listens to Castro much anymore--well, Atlantic bloggers do. I'm not really sure he knows what A.'s views are. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fidel Castro Blasts Ahmadinejad As Anti-Semitic
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:42 PM, CeJ wrote: >>>CB: Yeah right. Sort of like Deng Chou Ping. I bet he has no influence > whatsoever over the Cuban society and state. He's a retired strongman > (smile)<< > > I didn't know Fidel is a pile of ashes talking to your ancestors Charles. ^^^ CB: You mean like a pile of ashes talking to to pile of ashes ? > > I do know when I go into my favorite Egyptian cafe in Kuala Lumpur > (Arab ex-pat community is big there), they all talk about A. and Ch. > but if you say Castro, they say, 'Who?' Another big difference is that > these guys are plurastically leading large populated countries, while > Castro was always at best, without the third world movement > pretensions, the leader of a micro-state. ^^^ CB: Do they say that Castro is now without influence in the micro-state ? ^ > > I think I had a good point that the world Castro could relate to was > Arafat and the PLO. Don't get me wrong, Arafat was one of my heroes, > as is Castro. > > CJ > ^ CB: Castro was the one who put out the big alarm about the US sending ships to harass Iran. He is not some heavy critic of Iran and is a long term critic of Israel, which is why his very specific and narrow criticism of A is significant. A probably sees it as advice from an "ancestor" who is not yet a pile of ashes. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fidel Castro Blasts Ahmadinejad As Anti-Semitic
>>CB: Yeah right. Sort of like Deng Chou Ping. I bet he has no influence whatsoever over the Cuban society and state. He's a retired strongman (smile)<< I didn't know Fidel is a pile of ashes talking to your ancestors Charles. I do know when I go into my favorite Egyptian cafe in Kuala Lumpur (Arab ex-pat community is big there), they all talk about A. and Ch. but if you say Castro, they say, 'Who?' Another big difference is that these guys are plurastically leading large populated countries, while Castro was always at best, without the third world movement pretensions, the leader of a micro-state. I think I had a good point that the world Castro could relate to was Arafat and the PLO. Don't get me wrong, Arafat was one of my heroes, as is Castro. CJ ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fidel Castro Blasts Ahmadinejad As Anti-Semitic
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:29 AM, CeJ wrote: > Maybe he simply needs to shut up and stop giving interviews to > Atlantic bloggers? > They are the very sort who have accused Castro of being anti-semitic too. ^ CB: Gee I wonder whether he knows that (smile) As to whose usin who, my moneys on Fidez ^ > > I don't think we need to review Castro's credentials. But he is at the > end of his life, and not really in power anymore. He can't really do > much of anything. CB: Yeah right. Sort of like Deng Chou Ping. I bet he has no influence whatsoever over the Cuban society and state. He's a retired strongman (smile) > > I'm not really sure this Atlantic piece is nothing more than a bunch > of lies concocted by the Atlantic zionist, since it uses so little > actual quoted material. > > http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/09/fidel-to-ahmadinejad-stop-slandering-the-jews/62566/ CB: More like a clever propaganda move by Yo Boy. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fidel Castro Blasts Ahmadinejad As Anti-Semitic
Maybe he simply needs to shut up and stop giving interviews to Atlantic bloggers? They are the very sort who have accused Castro of being anti-semitic too. I don't think we need to review Castro's credentials. But he is at the end of his life, and not really in power anymore. He can't really do much of anything. I'm not really sure this Atlantic piece is nothing more than a bunch of lies concocted by the Atlantic zionist, since it uses so little actual quoted material. http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/09/fidel-to-ahmadinejad-stop-slandering-the-jews/62566/ ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fidel Castro Blasts Ahmadinejad As Anti-Semitic
Zionism is and has been racism , and Fidel Castro knows it , has proved he knows it by leading Cuba to vote for the UN resolution declaring it and numerous other state form expressions of that knowledge. And of course on anti-imperialism and anti-US imperialism in general he is an opponent non pareil. His way in the anti-Zionist, anti-imperalist, anti-colonialist movement worldwide. So, Castro has the credentials to do criticism-self-criticism within the post-non-aligned and national liberation movements or "network". On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:46 AM, CeJ wrote: > More and more Fidel looks to be irrelevant on this particular issue. > Perhaps he could relate better with the PLO under Arafat. > > Of course I would have to wade into the transcript of a long speech > (translated of course) in order to see if he addresses Palestine or > the fact that it's the US in Iraq and Afghanistan, and not Iran. > > A's repeated point has been to say that one can not use the Holocaust > as an excuse for al Nakba or European Zionist Jews colonizing > Palestine. And al Nakba denial is worse because the calamity is still > unfolding. Israeli leadership treats for peace with the near-powerless > PA while trying to consolidate greater Israel. > > For example: > > http://noticeable.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/president-mahmoud-ahmadinejad-full-text-speech-durban-review-conference-20-april-2009/ > > excerpt: > > After the Second World War, by exploiting the holocaust and under the > pretext of protecting the Jews they made a nation homeless with > military expeditions and invasion. They transferred various groups of > people from America, Europe and other countries to this land. They > established a completely racist government in the occupied Palestinian > territories. And in fact, under the pretext of making up for damages > resulting from racism in Europe, they established the most aggressive, > racist country in another territory, i.e. Palestine. The Security > Council endorsed this usurper regime and for 60 years constantly > defended it and let it commit any kind of crime. Worse than this is > that some Western governments and America are committed to support > genocidal racists while others condemn the bombardment of innocent > human beings, the occupation of their land and the disasters that took > place in Gaza. Even before they kept silent, not responding to all the > crimes of that regime, and supported it. Dear friends, ladies and > gentlemen, what has been the source of recent wars such as the > Americans’ attack on Iraq or the wide military expedition in > Afghanistan? Has it been anything else than the selfishness of the > American government of the time and the pressures by those in > possession of wealth and power to expand influence and hegemony, > support weapon manufacturers, destroy a great culture that is > thousands of years old, destroying possible and potentials risks by > the countries of the region against the occupying Quds regime, and > looting the energy resources of the Iraqi people? In fact why were one > million people dead and injured and a few million people forced to > leave their homeland? Why were hundreds of billions of dollars worth > of damage inflicted on the Iraqi people and hundreds of billions of > dollars of costs for the military invasion imposed on the American > people and America’s allies? Was attacking Iraq not orchestrated by > the Zionists and their allies in the previous ruling government of > America which was on the one hand in power and on the other the owner > of arms manufacturing companies? > > ___ > Marxism-Thaxis mailing list > Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu > To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis > ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fidel Castro Blasts Ahmadinejad As Anti-Semitic
More and more Fidel looks to be irrelevant on this particular issue. Perhaps he could relate better with the PLO under Arafat. Of course I would have to wade into the transcript of a long speech (translated of course) in order to see if he addresses Palestine or the fact that it's the US in Iraq and Afghanistan, and not Iran. A's repeated point has been to say that one can not use the Holocaust as an excuse for al Nakba or European Zionist Jews colonizing Palestine. And al Nakba denial is worse because the calamity is still unfolding. Israeli leadership treats for peace with the near-powerless PA while trying to consolidate greater Israel. For example: http://noticeable.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/president-mahmoud-ahmadinejad-full-text-speech-durban-review-conference-20-april-2009/ excerpt: After the Second World War, by exploiting the holocaust and under the pretext of protecting the Jews they made a nation homeless with military expeditions and invasion. They transferred various groups of people from America, Europe and other countries to this land. They established a completely racist government in the occupied Palestinian territories. And in fact, under the pretext of making up for damages resulting from racism in Europe, they established the most aggressive, racist country in another territory, i.e. Palestine. The Security Council endorsed this usurper regime and for 60 years constantly defended it and let it commit any kind of crime. Worse than this is that some Western governments and America are committed to support genocidal racists while others condemn the bombardment of innocent human beings, the occupation of their land and the disasters that took place in Gaza. Even before they kept silent, not responding to all the crimes of that regime, and supported it. Dear friends, ladies and gentlemen, what has been the source of recent wars such as the Americans’ attack on Iraq or the wide military expedition in Afghanistan? Has it been anything else than the selfishness of the American government of the time and the pressures by those in possession of wealth and power to expand influence and hegemony, support weapon manufacturers, destroy a great culture that is thousands of years old, destroying possible and potentials risks by the countries of the region against the occupying Quds regime, and looting the energy resources of the Iraqi people? In fact why were one million people dead and injured and a few million people forced to leave their homeland? Why were hundreds of billions of dollars worth of damage inflicted on the Iraqi people and hundreds of billions of dollars of costs for the military invasion imposed on the American people and America’s allies? Was attacking Iraq not orchestrated by the Zionists and their allies in the previous ruling government of America which was on the one hand in power and on the other the owner of arms manufacturing companies? ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fidel Castro Blasts Ahmadinejad As Anti-Semitic
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Ralph Dumain wrote: > It would be interesting to know what he has to say about Hugo Chavez > and his former Eastern bloc patrons in this respect. CB: With respect to anti-Semitism ? > > On 9/9/2010 1:00 PM, c b wrote: >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/08/fidel-castro-blasts-ahmad_n_708592.html >> >> >> >> >> >> Fidel Castro Blasts Ahmadinejad As Anti-Semitic >> >> WILL WEISSERT | 09/ 7/10 09:01 PM | AP > > ___ > Marxism-Thaxis mailing list > Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu > To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis > ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Fidel Castro Blasts Ahmadinejad As Anti-Semitic
It would be interesting to know what he has to say about Hugo Chavez and his former Eastern bloc patrons in this respect. On 9/9/2010 1:00 PM, c b wrote: > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/08/fidel-castro-blasts-ahmad_n_708592.html > > > > > > Fidel Castro Blasts Ahmadinejad As Anti-Semitic > > WILL WEISSERT | 09/ 7/10 09:01 PM | AP ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Fidel Castro Blasts Ahmadinejad As Anti-Semitic
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/08/fidel-castro-blasts-ahmad_n_708592.html Fidel Castro Blasts Ahmadinejad As Anti-Semitic WILL WEISSERT | 09/ 7/10 09:01 PM | AP Fidel Castro Cuban former President Fidel Castro gives a speech, on September 03, 2010, at Havana's University. Castro talked to the students about the possibility of a nuclear war. AFP PHOTO/Adalberto ROQUE HAVANA — Fidel Castro criticized Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for what he called his anti-Semitic attitudes and questioned his own actions during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 during interviews with an American journalist he summoned to Havana to discuss fears of global nuclear war. Jeffrey Goldberg, a national correspondent for The Atlantic, blogged on the magazine's website Tuesday that he was on vacation last month when the head of the Cuban Interests Section in Washington – which Cuba maintains there instead of an embassy – called to say Castro had read his recent article about Israel and Iran and wanted him to come to Cuba. Goldberg asked Julia Sweig, a Cuba-U.S. policy expert at the Council on Foreign Relations, to accompany him, and the pair spent portions of three days talking with Castro. Cuba's state-controlled media reported Aug. 31 that Goldberg and Sweig met with Castro and attended the dolphin show at Havana's aquarium, but the blog was the first to reveal details of what they discussed. Goldberg said their first meeting lasted five hours and featured appearances by Castro's wife, Dalia, his son Antonio, and several bodyguards, two of which held his elbow to steady Castro when he moved. "His body may be frail, but his mind is acute, his energy level is high," wrote Goldberg, who also noted Castro's self-deprecating humor. The 84-year-old ex-president wore full military fatigues and an olive-green cap while addressing university students last week, and had previously appeared in public in a military shirt. But Goldberg saw Castro in a red shirt, sweat pants, and black New Balance sneakers. He said Castro, who himself has been a fierce critic of Israel, "repeatedly returned to his excoriation of anti-Semitism," chiding Ahmadinejad for denying the Holocaust. Castro said that Iran could further the cause of peace by "acknowledging the 'unique' history of anti-Semitism and trying to understand why Israelis fear for their existence." The gray-bearded revolutionary related to Goldberg a story from his childhood that has been detailed by some biographers: that he overheard classmates saying Jews killed Jesus Christ. "I didn't know what a Jew was. I knew of a bird that was a called a 'Jew,' and so for me the Jews were those birds," Goldberg quoted Castro as telling him. Castro later added, "This is how ignorant the entire population was." According to Goldberg, Castro said, "I don't think anyone has been slandered more than the Jews. I would say much more than the Muslims." Castro also said that the Iranian government should understand that the Jews "were expelled from their land, persecuted and mistreated all over the world, as the ones who killed God." After undergoing emergency intestinal surgery in July 2006, giving up Cuba's presidency and dropping out of sight for four years, Castro has begun making near-daily public appearances to warn of a nuclear war pitting the U.S. and Israel against Iran and also featuring a Washington-led attack on North Korea. "This problem is not going to get resolved, because the Iranians are not going to back down in the face of threats," Castro told Goldberg. Goldberg also said he revisited the Cuban Missile Crisis with Castro, asking if once "it seemed logical for you to recommend that the Soviets bomb the U.S." "Does what you recommended still seem logical now?" Castro's answer surprised him: "After I've seen what I've seen, and knowing what I know now, it wasn't worth it all." Online: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/09/fidel-to-ahmadinejad-stop-slandering-the-jews/62566/ ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
