Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Which side are you on ?

2009-03-09 Thread Waistline2
^ CB: Well, yeah, that more later 
 
WL: The issue is not "me" or "who I am," rather the issue is how are   
comrades to frame the current struggle of the working class. 
 

^^ CB: Well, yeuuuh.  Is you is or is you ain't ain't the  issue.  I 
figured that out 30 years ago. And some comrades around here are  not framing 
the 
current struggles of the working class correctly.  when  they fail to see that 
Obama is the leader of the working class right now.   Stuff like "O is the 
CEO of the capitalists is bad framing. Hisotric, maybe  world historic 
erroneous 
framing.
 
Comment
 
The issue is not what you figured out 30 years ago. The issue of  framing 
Obama as CEO of the capitalist class versus a refusal to articulate  class and 
class, is the issue of the purpose of this list serv and why it calls  itself 
Marxist-Theory-Practice.  Marxism-Thaxis
 
The problem in my estimate is seeking whose is wrong rather than what is  
wrong. 
 
*
 
Which side are you on is not a conception of  
Democrats or  Republicans but workers and capitalist. 
 
WL. 
 
^^^
CB: Wrong. Right now the Democrats of Obama
is the side to be  on. Which side are you on ?
 
*
 
Reply
 
It is wrong not to be on the side of the Democratic party, is asmuch as  
President Obama is the head Democrat. 
 
The side of the proletariat as it spontaneous strives to realize and  express 
itself as a class, is the side I am on and have been on for a  while.  Simply 
because I advocate for say welfare and a part of the  political establishment 
expand welfare does not mean I am on their side. What  has happened is called 
the intersection of class interest. Even my voting for  Obama does not mean I 
am on the Democrat of Obama side. Momentary identity of  intersecting class 
interest always occur in any field of politics. Anyone  elected to any office 
understands this plain most common aspect of politics. 
 
8 years from now and then 12 years from now, the evidence is that I stand a  
good chance of being found on the side I have been on for the past 40 years. 
 
The side to be on is always the issues dear to the working class and on  this 
basis various segments of the political establishment line up. 
 
I am not on the side of the Democrats of Obama. You are free to become a  
democrat. Actually, brother you write as a social democrat and not a communist  
or Marxist. Your criticisms is basically against my use of the word class and  
capitalist. 
 
WL. 





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[Marxism-Thaxis] Which side are you on ?

2009-03-07 Thread Charles Brown

The real issue is over concentrating on "private sector jobs" - as  
government spending or socially necessary means of life. The pouring 
of  trillions of 
dollars down the rabbit hole of modern speculative finance is  designed to 
starve the workers of these needed funds. 

^
CB: Well, yeah, that more later

WL: The issue is not "me" or "who I am," rather the issue is how are  comrades 
to 
frame the current struggle of the working class.


^^
CB: Well, yeuuuh.  Is you is or is you ain't ain't
the issue.  I figured that out 30 years ago. 
And some comrades around here are not
framing the current struggles of the working 
class correctly.  when they fail to see
that Obama is the leader of the working 
class right now.  Stuff like "O is the
CEO of the capitalists is bad framing.
Hisotric, maybe world historic erroneous 
framing.

^
 Towards this end a  doctrine 
is being put forth as the strategy and tactics of using "class  intersection" 
as a measure of the complex fight unfolding. This is what is  missing in 
assessments of the Obama administration and the existing correlations  of 
forces 
in the Senate. 

^
CB: Reiterate

^

Further comrades cannot be sectarian for fighting to establish a communist  
polarity in the political sphere. 

^^
CB:  Yes they can. A "communist" polarity
is premature and sectarian right now. We
need a popular front, all peoples front.

^^

Which side are you on is not a conception of  
Democrats or Republicans but workers and capitalist. 

WL. 

^^^
CB: Wrong. Right now the Democrats of Obama
is the side to be on. Which side are you on ?

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