Re: [MLL]Re: [downwithcapitalism] FW: Moldovan Congress confirms communism
Partija rada wrote: To me it looks like that we would have a new "communist" government like that one of Milosevic. I hope that I get wrong picture, but...Milan That was the warning I sent out and time will tell. The changes I contend are a MUST are fundamental not superficialities. There could be a picture of Lenin behind the speaker that is 100 feet tall and that would by no means solidify their credentials or program. And I all but ignore labels. I am far more interested in what parties do than what they say, the platform they run on, or the name they adopt for their organization. The essence of my message was that there is no way they can avoid the "E" word and expect to accomplish anything of significance. They must not only nationalize but do it WITHOUT COMPENSATION and that is EXPROPRIATION. There is another "E" word that is its equivalent, "Emancipation." Moldova is not a poor country; it's people are poor. The problem is that all the wealth that matters is in the hands of a few. For the cause, Klo -Original Message- From: KloMcKinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: MLLlist [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 27 April, 2001 4:51 AM Subject: [MLL]Re: [downwithcapitalism] FW: Moldovan Congress confirms communism Downwithcapitalism wrote: MD News. 24 April 2001. Moldova's Communist Leadership Believes in Perspectives of Communism. The Moldova's ruling Communist Party (MCP) held its IV (XXI) ordinary congress past Saturday and Sunday which was attended by over 400 delegates and about 800 guests. The forum re-elected Moldovan President Vladimir Voronin as MCP Chairman, andparliamentary MCP faction leader Victor Stepaniuk as Secretary of the MCP Political Executive Committee. The congress was attended by communist party delegations from the Russian Federation, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, Belarus, Cuba, Slovakia, Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, Yugoslavia, Vietnam, China, Romania, Spain, North Korea, and Turkey, as well as from Transnistria. To the standing ovation by delegates and guests, party leader Vladimir Voronin appeared at the podium against the background of a gigantic portrait of Lenin, and made a 1.5 hour report in which he spoke, in particular, about "the deadlock of capitalism" and "revival of socialism". "The capitalist way of development is a way to a deadlock", he stated, and referred, as an argument, to the aggravating standoff between a dozen and a half developed nations and dozens of poor countries. "These contradictions have become particularly sharp after the demise of the former Soviet Union", he said. He believes the only reasonable alternative to such a standoff is the socialist way of development, "whose temporary defeat only proves this truth". Broken ties with the East, in particular with the Russian Federation, is viewed by Vladimir Voronin as the chief reason of the economic and social hardships being suffered by the Moldovan people. The party leader indicated the historic heritage left to the Communist Party by "democratic reformers": a fall in GDP by 3-fold, a complete de-industrialization of the national economy, a $1.5 billion external debt, three-quarters of the population living below the subsistence level, hundreds of thousand Moldovans earning their living abroad. "The Right forces deliberately ruined Moldova's traditional ties with Russia and the CIS, thus turning the vector of the country's external policy", said the MCP leader. "The shadowy economy has drawn under its roof over a half of the GDP size". "Over last 10 years, [pro-Romania] unionist forces -- which have never regarded Moldova as a sovereign state but only as a province of the neighbor country -- have been acting driven by 'the worse - the better' principle. He emphasized that the MCP's crucial achievement since its III Congress was "the democratic overthrow of the anti-popular power regime". "History has ruled so that Moldova has become the first of all European states where Communists are back at power. The MCP's historic mission is to prove to the world: the Communist idea, the Communist movement have most favorable historic perspectives", he said. Among MCP's drawbacks the leader mentioned a poor work with the youth and insufficiently active party construction. Currently the MCP has 840 basic party organizations functioning across the country, whereas the objective was to have organizations in each of Moldova's 1.5 thousand cities, towns and villages. "So, this question remains on the agenda. It is necessary to further struggle for people's minds", he said. During the whole congress, the word 'privatization' was only once mentioned in a positive sense -- when the auditing commission reported that a portion of the party budget was used for privatizing the MCP office and newspaper. Voronin said the party's main objectives are rehabilitation of economy, improving the population's life, society consolidation, reforming of the country management, Transnistrian
Re: [MLL]Re: [downwithcapitalism] FW: Moldovan Congress confirms communism
To me it looks like that we would have a new communist government like that one of Milosevic. I hope that I get wrong picture, but... Milan -Original Message-From: KloMcKinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: MLLlist [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 27 April, 2001 4:51 AMSubject: [MLL]Re: [downwithcapitalism] FW: Moldovan Congress confirms communismDownwithcapitalism wrote: MD News. 24 April 2001. Moldova's Communist Leadership Believes in Perspectives of Communism. The Moldova's ruling Communist Party (MCP) held its IV (XXI) ordinary congress past Saturday and Sunday which was attended by over 400 delegates and about 800 guests. The forum re-elected Moldovan President Vladimir Voronin as MCP Chairman, andparliamentary MCP faction leader Victor Stepaniuk as Secretary of the MCP Political Executive Committee. The congress was attended by communist party delegations from the Russian Federation, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, Belarus, Cuba, Slovakia, Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, Yugoslavia, Vietnam, China, Romania, Spain, North Korea, and Turkey, as well as from Transnistria. To the standing ovation by delegates and guests, party leader Vladimir Voronin appeared at the podium against the background of a gigantic portrait of Lenin, and made a 1.5 hour report in which he spoke, in particular, about the deadlock of capitalism and revival of socialism. The capitalist way of development is a way to a deadlock, he stated, and referred, as an argument, to the aggravating standoff between a dozen and a half developed nations and dozens of poor countries. These contradictions have become particularly sharp after the demise of the former Soviet Union, he said. He believes the only reasonable alternative to such a standoff is the socialist way of development, whose temporary defeat only proves this truth. Broken ties with the East, in particular with the Russian Federation, is viewed by Vladimir Voronin as the chief reason of the economic and social hardships being suffered by the Moldovan people. The party leader indicated the historic heritage left to the Communist Party by democratic reformers: a fall in GDP by 3-fold, a complete de-industrialization of the national economy, a $1.5 billion external debt, three-quarters of the population living below the subsistence level, hundreds of thousand Moldovans earning their living abroad. The Right forces deliberately ruined Moldova's traditional ties with Russia and the CIS, thus turning the vector of the country's external policy, said the MCP leader. The shadowy economy has drawn under its roof over a half of the GDP size. Over last 10 years, [pro-Romania] unionist forces -- which have never regarded Moldova as a sovereign state but only as a province of the neighbor country -- have been acting driven by 'the worse - the better' principle. He emphasized that the MCP's crucial achievement since its III Congress was the democratic overthrow of the anti-popular power regime. History has ruled so that Moldova has become the first of all European states where Communists are back at power. The MCP's historic mission is to prove to the world: the Communist idea, the Communist movement have most favorable historic perspectives, he said. Among MCP's drawbacks the leader mentioned a poor work with the youth and insufficiently active party construction. Currently the MCP has 840 basic party organizations functioning across the country, whereas the objective was to have organizations in each of Moldova's 1.5 thousand cities, towns and villages. So, this question remains on the agenda. It is necessary to further struggle for people's minds, he said. During the whole congress, the word 'privatization' was only once mentioned in a positive sense -- when the auditing commission reported that a portion of the party budget was used for privatizing the MCP office and newspaper. Voronin said the party's main objectives are rehabilitation of economy, improving the population's life, society consolidation, reforming of the country management, Transnistrian conflict solution, pragmatic foreign policy. He confirmed the Communists recognize the equality of all property forms. For the first indulgences to be done by the Communist Party
RE: [MLL]Re: [downwithcapitalism] FW: Moldovan Congress confirms communism
Comrade Klo, A good Commentary. Javad From Klo: This post is replete with good news and progressive steps, but, unfortunately, avoids either intentionally or unintentionally, the central question. It's the question that people viewing themselves as Marxists or Communists or Leninists throughout the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe have been avoiding. It's the question upon which all others reside, namely, who owns or controls the basic means of production, distribution and exchange. Who owns the factories, mines, mills, fields, crops, lands, machinery, tools, forests, and all other productive forces within Moldova? That is the critical issue, because that will ultimately determine what policies will be instituted and followed and who will benefit. No amount of rhetoric, singing, pictures, regalia, partying, bravado, unity, combative speaking, grandiloquent oratory, or threats will substitute for controlling that which really matters. When all is said and done, and we have repeatedly seen similar scenarios played out in other countries, the fact remains that they are avoiding the E word like the plague. No matter how you look at the scene or how you wish to approach the problems, there is no avoiding the ultimate requirement--nationalization without compensation which is EXPROPRIATION. THAT IS MANDATORY. YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST GET YOUR HANDS ON THE MONEY AND THAT WHICH PRODUCES THE WEALTH. I certainly wish them well but if they don't confront this most important of all issues head-on, all else is for nought. If they don't face this central fact, the Moldovan people will be highly disappointed in the Communists of Moldova, turn their backs on socialism and Marxism, and adopt the prevailing attitude of so many in Eastern Europe. For the cause, Klo ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]Re: [downwithcapitalism] FW: Moldovan Congress confirms communism
Javad Eskandarpour wrote: Comrade Klo, A good Commentary. Javad Thanks for your most gracious compliment, Javad. And I might note that I have been impressed with some of the comments you have made in some posts lately. You might want to venture over to the downwithcapitalism list and view some of its postings, as it resembles MLL. That is where I got the article. Stoller is there, as is Bill Howard, who has been posting there a lot lately. I am on both. It does have some anarchists and crypto-Trots, however. And it does have some criticism of Stalin. Lately I have been in a running debate over Stalin with Stoller. Usually Stoller's commentaries are pretty good, but he has a mind-bloc when it comes to Stalin because of having been taken in by a lot of bourgeois propaganda. Fraternally, Klo From Klo: This post is replete with good news and progressive steps, but, unfortunately, avoids either intentionally or unintentionally, the central question. It's the question that people viewing themselves as Marxists or Communists or Leninists throughout the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe have been avoiding. It's the question upon which all others reside, namely, who owns or controls the basic means of production, distribution and exchange. Who owns the factories, mines, mills, fields, crops, lands, machinery, tools, forests, and all other productive forces within Moldova? That is the critical issue, because that will ultimately determine what policies will be instituted and followed and who will benefit. No amount of rhetoric, singing, pictures, regalia, partying, bravado, unity, combative speaking, grandiloquent oratory, or threats will substitute for controlling that which really matters. When all is said and done, and we have repeatedly seen similar scenarios played out in other countries, the fact remains that they are avoiding the E word like the plague. No matter how you look at the scene or how you wish to approach the problems, there is no avoiding the ultimate requirement--nationalization without compensation which is EXPROPRIATION. THAT IS MANDATORY. YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST GET YOUR HANDS ON THE MONEY AND THAT WHICH PRODUCES THE WEALTH. I certainly wish them well but if they don't confront this most important of all issues head-on, all else is for nought. If they don't face this central fact, the Moldovan people will be highly disappointed in the Communists of Moldova, turn their backs on socialism and Marxism, and adopt the prevailing attitude of so many in Eastern Europe. For the cause, Klo ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
