Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles

2012-10-05 Thread Floris van Breugel
That citation should be *much* more prominent on the matplotlib homepage. I
regret to say that I was unaware of that paper I should have cited in my
last paper which made heavy use of matplotlib generated plots with lots of
customizations. Next time I'll be sure to include the proper citation!

I think including a gallery of published examples would be great, however,
there will be some serious challenges with regards to copyright. It would
be great to show MPL being used in high impact journals (which it is), but
getting permission from them to show the plots on the MPL website may
require some paperwork. So, a list of citations might be a good place to
start. Here's mine: http://jeb.biologists.org/content/215/11/1783.full

- Floris


On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Damon McDougall
damon.mcdoug...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
 
  @Article{Hunter:2007,
Author = {Hunter, J. D.},
Title  = {Matplotlib: A 2D graphics environment},
Journal= {Computing In Science \ Engineering},
Volume = {9},
Number = {3},
Pages  = {90--95},
abstract   = {Matplotlib is a 2D graphics package used for Python
 for application development, interactive scripting,
 and
 publication-quality image generation across user
 interfaces and operating systems.},
address= {10662 LOS VAQUEROS CIRCLE, PO BOX 3014, LOS
 ALAMITOS,
 CA 90720-1314 USA},
bdsk-url-1 =
 
  {
 http://gateway.isiknowledge.com/gateway/Gateway.cgi?GWVersion=2SrcAuth=AlertingSrcApp=AlertingDestApp=WOSDestLinkType=FullRecord;KeyUT=000245668100019
 },
date-added = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700},
date-modified  = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700},
isi= {000245668100019},
isi-recid  = {155389429},
month  = may # / # jun,
publisher  = {IEEE COMPUTER SOC},
year   = 2007
  }
 
 
  That wos link is useful, however I see only a paper listed following the
  Time Cited link in the atmospheric science field. A few papers I have
 seen
  mentions mpl in acknowledgement section, but some not, though the plots
 in
  them are obviously produced by mpl.
 
  Should we list some articles here, as a base for a section that would go
 to
  mpl website?
 
  --
  Gökhan

 Short version:
 I think this is a good idea.

 Long version:
 I think a 'Who uses matplotlib?' section in the website would provide
 good solid academic backing, too. I know the Met Office
 (PHIL) and some of the guys in the PECOS group at ICES
 use it.

 Actual papers is great, but probably rather drab? I think if we want
 to show it off, we should include sample images from citations, rather
 than just citations. After all, how many people are going to chase a
 citation to see sample output when we have a gallery section? Better
 still would be to have an 'academic gallery' section. Perhaps this
 could be part of the gallery re-work someone was going to do (was it
 Tony? I forget).

 I don't know. I think the idea is good, but I think there needs to be
 some thought and consensus regarding the *best* way to get people to
 *visually* judge matplotlib's capabilities in the academic realm.

 This is just my two.

 --
 Damon McDougall
 http://www.damon-is-a-geek.com
 B2.39
 Mathematics Institute
 University of Warwick
 Coventry
 West Midlands
 CV4 7AL
 United Kingdom


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Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles

2012-10-05 Thread Floris van Breugel
The problem is with many journals the content (including figures) is
copyright by the journal, not the author. But I imagine most journals would
grant permission, it's just an additional step that should be taken where
required.

The circos layout looks nice!

- Floris



On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Nelle Varoquaux
nelle.varoqu...@gmail.comwrote:



 I think including a gallery of published examples would be great,
 however, there will be some serious challenges with regards to copyright.
 It would be great to show MPL being used in high impact journals (which it
 is), but getting permission from them to show the plots on the MPL website
 may require some paperwork. So, a list of citations might be a good place
 to start. Here's mine: http://jeb.biologists.org/content/215/11/1783.full


 I just came back from a bioinformatics workshop: I was suprised by the
 amound of people using matplotlib to display results.
 I think it wouldn't be too hard to gather images and published them on
 matplotlib's website if the authors are OK with it. Also, in cancer
 research, publications and/or plots are often available publicly.

 I don't think citations would be as efficient: I personnally wouldn't
 bother looking at those.
 Here is an example on circos' website of how they advertise the use of
 their plotting library in research:
 http://circos.ca/intro/published_images/

 Cheers,
 N



 - Floris


 On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Damon McDougall 
 damon.mcdoug...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
 
  @Article{Hunter:2007,
Author = {Hunter, J. D.},
Title  = {Matplotlib: A 2D graphics environment},
Journal= {Computing In Science \ Engineering},
Volume = {9},
Number = {3},
Pages  = {90--95},
abstract   = {Matplotlib is a 2D graphics package used for
 Python
 for application development, interactive
 scripting, and
 publication-quality image generation across user
 interfaces and operating systems.},
address= {10662 LOS VAQUEROS CIRCLE, PO BOX 3014, LOS
 ALAMITOS,
 CA 90720-1314 USA},
bdsk-url-1 =
 
  {
 http://gateway.isiknowledge.com/gateway/Gateway.cgi?GWVersion=2SrcAuth=AlertingSrcApp=AlertingDestApp=WOSDestLinkType=FullRecord;KeyUT=000245668100019
 },
date-added = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700},
date-modified  = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700},
isi= {000245668100019},
isi-recid  = {155389429},
month  = may # / # jun,
publisher  = {IEEE COMPUTER SOC},
year   = 2007
  }
 
 
  That wos link is useful, however I see only a paper listed following
 the
  Time Cited link in the atmospheric science field. A few papers I
 have seen
  mentions mpl in acknowledgement section, but some not, though the
 plots in
  them are obviously produced by mpl.
 
  Should we list some articles here, as a base for a section that would
 go to
  mpl website?
 
  --
  Gökhan

 Short version:
 I think this is a good idea.

 Long version:
 I think a 'Who uses matplotlib?' section in the website would provide
 good solid academic backing, too. I know the Met Office
 (PHIL) and some of the guys in the PECOS group at ICES
 use it.

 Actual papers is great, but probably rather drab? I think if we want
 to show it off, we should include sample images from citations, rather
 than just citations. After all, how many people are going to chase a
 citation to see sample output when we have a gallery section? Better
 still would be to have an 'academic gallery' section. Perhaps this
 could be part of the gallery re-work someone was going to do (was it
 Tony? I forget).

 I don't know. I think the idea is good, but I think there needs to be
 some thought and consensus regarding the *best* way to get people to
 *visually* judge matplotlib's capabilities in the academic realm.

 This is just my two.

 --
 Damon McDougall
 http://www.damon-is-a-geek.com
 B2.39
 Mathematics Institute
 University of Warwick
 Coventry
 West Midlands
 CV4 7AL
 United Kingdom


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Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles

2012-10-05 Thread Floris van Breugel
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Damon McDougall
damon.mcdoug...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Seeing mpl produced plots would be only 1 or 2 clicks away, plus this
 would

 This is not true. A lot of articles are unavailable to certain
 institutions due to a lack of subscription. A major sticking point.



Yes.. this is indeed a problem.. perhaps there could be a list of citations
specifically to open journal articles (many journals make papers public
after some period of time), in addition to ones that are only available
with a subscription. After all, many of those looking to use matplotlib in
a scientific publication are usually at an institution with access. That
way people who don't have access don't have to waste time finding links
that work for them.




 Am I wrong in thinking that journals copyright the final product?
 Thus, it would be up to the author(s) to decide whether or not to
 'donate' a figure for a gallery.


Many journals copyright the final product, so an author could only 'donate'
a figure to the gallery if they had written permission from the journal
that published their paper. Lame, I know.

Similarly, if someone wishes to reproduce a figure for news coverage or a
review article, they need permission from the journal, not the author.

- Floris






  provide context to the use of plots rather that extracting figures and
  putting them separately (dealing with copyright issues and such) on an
  alternative gallery page. The figures you linked look shinny but not much
  practical use in my field.

 Point taken on the context argument. I'll take that. To resolve it,
 make the figure/html image link to the underlying publication?



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