Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-13 Thread Dave Neary

Hi,

On 10/12/2011 06:51 PM, Tim Samoff wrote:

I agree. If code names are required, I suggest types of storms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm#Types


Or perhaps clouds? Nimbus, Cumulus, Nimbus, Stratus, and Cirrus are all 
pretty cool codenames. Presumably all taken,, also, but if none of them 
are used in the realm of mobile software, we should be OK on the TM front.



It references the old naming structure while remaining obtuse enough to
be different. And, names like Cyclone, Typhoon, Firestorm, etc. are just
cool. ;)


I agree :)

Cheers,
Dave.

PS. This thread has now gone on long enough that I'm wondering what 
process is in place for going from where we are to a decision. Perhaps 
the CE team leaders need to narrow down all of the proposals  chatter 
to a list of suggestions, and then get together and pick one?


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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community, discussion

2011-10-13 Thread Vim Toutenhoofd


I propose these two names for the Community Edition:

1. MerGo makes you think of Mer  MeeGo
2. MerSet makes you think of Mer  (hand)Set

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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-12 Thread ronan.maclaverty

Sorry for top posting, here is another suggestion:

Mermate, mermaid and mermade all have mer at the start, but we could just as 
easily put it at the end, and this opens another range of possibilities:

maemer
meemer
mobmer

Or looking for other languages, how about Mara (gaelic meaning of the sea, so 
of Mer).

Ronan.


Mermaid / Mermade / Mermate sound more interesting and original than Neptune or 
Poseidon in connection to Mer.
And I don't think including Mer inside the name is any problem really, if the 
name as a whole has a self significant meaning.

You can try other languages for sea connotation also. Example:

Earenos (Earen - great sea in Quenya, OS is an obvious suffix).

Regards,

Hillel.

On 10/12/2011 12:04 AM, William Marone wrote:
If everyone's thinking sea names and following along the mermaid thread, 
how about Neptune or Poseidon?

Or others: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_deity

And I'll echo one of Carsten's initial points:

* Can't include Mer within it as Mer's a core and CE is not the Mer UX (nor 
is anything)

Will
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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Can be written as AvoMerelle actually.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote:
 Since you all know I have a thing for the Finnish language and
 Finland, I would like to propose:

 Avomerelle .

 Which supposed to mean openwind in Finnish, if google does not fail me :)

 -Sivan

 On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Carsten Munk cars...@maemo.org wrote:
 Hi all,

 As you know, there has been a lot of news regarding MeeGo, introducing
 the Tizen project, Mer, etc.

 We (as in the steering group) like to query the community for ideas on
 what to call the Community Edition in the future. Currently our splash
 screens says MeeGo 1.3 Community Edition which will be increasingily
 inaccurate as we're working to rebase CE on top of the Mer Core

 Some limitations:
 * Can't include trademarks or company names, such as MeeGo / Tizen, Nokia, 
 etc.
 * Can't include Mer within it as Mer's a core and CE is not the Mer
 UX (nor is anything)

 All suggestions welcome!

 BR
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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-12 Thread Kaj-Michael Lang
On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 13:21 +0200, Sivan Greenberg wrote:
 Avomerelle .
 
 Which supposed to mean openwind in Finnish, if google does not fail
 me :) 

More like To the high sea
Openwind would be avointuuli whatever that is :)

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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-12 Thread timo.poikola


-Original Message-
From: meego-handset-boun...@lists.meego.com 
[mailto:meego-handset-boun...@lists.meego.com] On Behalf Of ext Sivan Greenberg
Sent: 12 October, 2011 14:21
To: Carsten Munk
Cc: meego-handset@lists.meego.com
Subject: Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

 Since you all know I have a thing for the Finnish language and
 Finland, I would like to propose:

 Avomerelle .

 Which supposed to mean openwind in Finnish, if google does not fail me :)

Avomerelle means (roughly) to open sea.

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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
So no, then it will be even farther than Mer but still noting it in the name ;)

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Surakka Kimmo (Nokia-MS/Helsinki)
kimmo.sura...@nokia.com wrote:
 On 10/12/2011 02:22 PM, ext Sivan Greenberg wrote:

 Can be written as AvoMerelle actually.

 No it can't. It's a single (compound) word and there are no capital letters
 in the middle of a word.

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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-12 Thread Tim Samoff
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Hi,

 Mermade
 

This name makes me think again of the poster I mocked-up back in 2009:

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Tim

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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-12 Thread Quim Gil

On 10/12/2011 04:31 AM, ext Sivan Greenberg wrote:

Stick with maemos wind codenames?


Since Community Edition is not Masemo, that would be a good reason to 
actually avoid wind codenames.


And about Finnish names in general, I would also avoid them unless 
Community Edition wants to nurture a vague association with Nokia. I 
know this comment is totally unfair for Finnish language lovers but I 
believe this is what it is in this context.


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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-12 Thread Tim Samoff
Hi,

Quim Gil wrote:
 Since Community Edition is not Masemo, that would be a good reason
 to actually avoid wind codenames.
 

I agree. If code names are required, I suggest types of storms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm#Types

It references the old naming structure while remaining obtuse enough to
be different. And, names like Cyclone, Typhoon, Firestorm, etc. are just
cool. ;)

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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-12 Thread Krzysztof Kuska
I don't know what the steering group thinks about this but for me Andrew
certainly has a point...

2011/10/12 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org

 Carsten wrote:
 
  We (as in the steering group) like to query the community for ideas
  on what to call the Community Edition in the future. Currently our
  splash screens says MeeGo 1.3 Community Edition which will be
  increasingily inaccurate as we're working to rebase CE on top of
  the Mer Core.

 OK, I'm confused on where you are with defining Mer's governance -
 which steering group are you referring to?

  Some limitations:
  * Can't include trademarks or company names, such as MeeGo / Tizen,
Nokia, etc.
  * Can't include Mer within it as Mer's a core and CE is not the
Mer UX (nor is anything)

 OK, above you refer to Mer Core which - as you know - fits into what
 I was pitching MeeGo 2.0 would be: http://wiki.meego.com/Blueprint.
 I think this is now the template for how Mer should function. However,
 you also state Mer's a core (implying nothing more than that).

 IMNSHO, Mer should refer to the project which facilitates the
 development of a stack of related projects by different teams. Core
 is one of those projects. Community Edition (not sure a new name is
 needed if naming is consistent) is another project which takes the
 output of Core, UX#1, N900 Adaptation and N9(50) Adaptation
 and sprinkles on some of their own special sauce.

 Glossary:

  * Mer - a group of projects providing the infrastructure for developing
an open source, mobile Linux OS.
  * Mer Core - a project which provides the smallest booting Linux  Qt
environment.
  * Mer Tools - build tools and stuff on top of Core necessary to build
it either cross-compiled or self-hosting.
  * Mer Apps - apps.formeego.org development, infrastructure etc.
  * Plasma Active for Mer - a project taking Plasma Active and
 delivering a Mer
build of it.
  * Handset UX for Mer - a project taking MeeGo's Handset UX and
 delivering a
Mer build of it.
  * Mer Community Edition - a polished, project aiming to deliver a
 day-to-day
usable build of one or more of the other Mer projects, acting as a
 reference
vendor.

 The scope of Mer has to, IMHO, encompass these other projects
 (rather than being [just] a core) - it has to be a toolbox of
 projects; for no other reason as to provide a home for the rest of
 meego.com as it diminishes over time.

 Cheers,

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[Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-12 Thread Ritesh Patel

Hi,

How about Moken?

The Moken 'are an Austronesian ethnic group ... who maintain a nomadic, 
sea-based culture' [1].


This is a mobile community; mobile in two senses a) it's a community built 
around mobile phone devices, b) it's a community that has had a nomadic 
existence, from inernettablettalk - maemo.org - (mer-) meego - mer.  But 
most of all it's about community.

That got me thinking about nomadic communities, and then all the talk about the 
sea made me look up sea gypsies [2]. Wikipedia threw up a few options, of which 
Moken seemed the best fit to me. 

You've got mer (the sea) that is the core, and then you have a sea based 
culture living on top of it, which would be the Community Edition. 

Regards,

Ritesh Patel (aka mrsellout)

 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moken
 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Gypsies



 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:51:50 -0700
 From: t...@samoff.com
 To: quim@nokia.com
 CC: meego-handset@lists.meego.com
 Subject: Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community  
 discussion
 
 Hi,
 
 Quim Gil wrote:
  Since Community Edition is not Masemo, that would be a good reason
  to actually avoid wind codenames.
  
 
 I agree. If code names are required, I suggest types of storms:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm#Types
 
 It references the old naming structure while remaining obtuse enough to
 be different. And, names like Cyclone, Typhoon, Firestorm, etc. are just
 cool. ;)
 
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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi!

 Since we've compiled a list of proposed names, please send the
proposed names from now on to either me (address in thread) or the
Thomas, his address also on this thread as we both have posted,
instead of sending it to the ML.

Thank you!

-Sivan

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Ritesh Patel ri...@msn.com wrote:
 Hi,

 How about Moken?

 The Moken 'are an Austronesian ethnic group ... who maintain a nomadic,
 sea-based culture' [1].

 This is a mobile community; mobile in two senses a) it's a community built
 around mobile phone devices, b) it's a community that has had a nomadic
 existence, from inernettablettalk - maemo.org - (mer-) meego - mer.  But
 most of all it's about community.

 That got me thinking about nomadic communities, and then all the talk about
 the sea made me look up sea gypsies [2]. Wikipedia threw up a few options,
 of which Moken seemed the best fit to me.

 You've got mer (the sea) that is the core, and then you have a sea based
 culture living on top of it, which would be the Community Edition.

 Regards,

 Ritesh Patel (aka mrsellout)

  [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moken
  [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Gypsies



 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:51:50 -0700
 From: t...@samoff.com
 To: quim@nokia.com
 CC: meego-handset@lists.meego.com
 Subject: Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community
 discussion

 Hi,

 Quim Gil wrote:
  Since Community Edition is not Masemo, that would be a good reason
  to actually avoid wind codenames.
 

 I agree. If code names are required, I suggest types of storms:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm#Types

 It references the old naming structure while remaining obtuse enough to
 be different. And, names like Cyclone, Typhoon, Firestorm, etc. are just
 cool. ;)

 Tim

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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-12 Thread Chris Samuel
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, 03:06:06 EST, Tim Samoff t...@samoff.com wrote:

 This name makes me think again of the poster
 I mocked-up back in 2009:

Nice! Reminds me of Grendel from the Beowulf
saga (beloved by those of us in HPC).

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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-12 Thread Chris Samuel
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, 08:03:49 EST, Ritesh Patel ri...@msn.com wrote:

 How about Moken?
 
 The Moken 'are an Austronesian ethnic group ...
 who maintain a nomadic, sea-based culture' [1].

I like that one, well done!

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[Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread Carsten Munk
Hi all,

As you know, there has been a lot of news regarding MeeGo, introducing
the Tizen project, Mer, etc.

We (as in the steering group) like to query the community for ideas on
what to call the Community Edition in the future. Currently our splash
screens says MeeGo 1.3 Community Edition which will be increasingily
inaccurate as we're working to rebase CE on top of the Mer Core

Some limitations:
* Can't include trademarks or company names, such as MeeGo / Tizen, Nokia, etc.
* Can't include Mer within it as Mer's a core and CE is not the Mer
UX (nor is anything)

All suggestions welcome!

BR
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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread Willem Liu
MGMT

(MeeGoMerTizen)

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Carsten Munk cars...@maemo.org wrote:
 Hi all,

 As you know, there has been a lot of news regarding MeeGo, introducing
 the Tizen project, Mer, etc.

 We (as in the steering group) like to query the community for ideas on
 what to call the Community Edition in the future. Currently our splash
 screens says MeeGo 1.3 Community Edition which will be increasingily
 inaccurate as we're working to rebase CE on top of the Mer Core

 Some limitations:
 * Can't include trademarks or company names, such as MeeGo / Tizen, Nokia, 
 etc.
 * Can't include Mer within it as Mer's a core and CE is not the Mer
 UX (nor is anything)

 All suggestions welcome!

 BR
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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread Erik Stein

Meer
or
Meer Handset

or
Meri, would be a joke of second order.

BR
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Am 11.10.2011 um 08:59 schrieb Carsten Munk:

 Hi all,
 
 As you know, there has been a lot of news regarding MeeGo, introducing
 the Tizen project, Mer, etc.
 
 We (as in the steering group) like to query the community for ideas on
 what to call the Community Edition in the future. Currently our splash
 screens says MeeGo 1.3 Community Edition which will be increasingily
 inaccurate as we're working to rebase CE on top of the Mer Core
 
 Some limitations:
 * Can't include trademarks or company names, such as MeeGo / Tizen, Nokia, 
 etc.
 * Can't include Mer within it as Mer's a core and CE is not the Mer
 UX (nor is anything)
 
 All suggestions welcome!

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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread Robin Burchell
Hi,

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Carsten Munk cars...@maemo.org wrote:
 We (as in the steering group) like to query the community for ideas on
 what to call the Community Edition in the future.

I'd like to suggest a name I started using (at least on github, when
mirroring pieces of source off gitorious) the day after the
announcement: chive, or some variant of it, like chive mobile, etc.

The name is supposed to represent energy and life (chives are green,
and it can be pronounced similar to 'jive')

Plus, well, they make things tasty. ;)
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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread Dave Neary

Hi Carsten,

On 10/11/2011 08:59 AM, Carsten Munk wrote:

Some limitations:
* Can't include trademarks or company names, such as MeeGo / Tizen, Nokia, etc.
* Can't include Mer within it as Mer's a core and CE is not the Mer
UX (nor is anything)


Just to be clear, you are looking for a brand separate from Mer, and 
separate from MeeGo/Maemo and Tizen, which will represent a stack 
targeting smartphones/handsets?


I kind of like Mer as a brand, and Mer Handset has a ring to it.

Cheers,
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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread Timo Härkönen
2011/10/11 Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org

 Hi Carsten,


 On 10/11/2011 08:59 AM, Carsten Munk wrote:

 Some limitations:
 * Can't include trademarks or company names, such as MeeGo / Tizen, Nokia,
 etc.
 * Can't include Mer within it as Mer's a core and CE is not the Mer
 UX (nor is anything)


 Just to be clear, you are looking for a brand separate from Mer, and
 separate from MeeGo/Maemo and Tizen, which will represent a stack targeting
 smartphones/handsets?

 I kind of like Mer as a brand, and Mer Handset has a ring to it.


True but it's quite clear that Mer doesn't want to have any UX associated
with it.

Anyway, my proposal: Comms

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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread Chris Samuel
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 05:59:55 PM Carsten Munk wrote:

 All suggestions welcome!

A couple of the top of my head..

LibrePhone
Velocity
Cinnammon
Spice
MobileSpice

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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread Tim Samoff
Hi,

Not a big fan of Open Opium... I think that using that has a possible
negative connotation can ostracize some people. (Drug names have a
tendency to sit differently with different people.)

Chive is already a brand in some regards (http://thechive.com/).

Imho, Cinnamon isn't bad, but...

In thinking of the Open. suggestion (which I sort of like), how about:

Sesame

Br,
Tim



Carsten Munk wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 As you know, there has been a lot of news regarding MeeGo,
 introducing the Tizen project, Mer, etc.
 
 We (as in the steering group) like to query the community for ideas
 on what to call the Community Edition in the future. Currently our
 splash screens says MeeGo 1.3 Community Edition which will be
 increasingily inaccurate as we're working to rebase CE on top of the
 Mer Core
 
 Some limitations: * Can't include trademarks or company names, such
 as MeeGo / Tizen, Nokia, etc. * Can't include Mer within it as Mer's
 a core and CE is not the Mer UX (nor is anything)
 
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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread Quim Gil

On 10/10/2011 11:59 PM, ext Carsten Munk wrote:
 We (as in the steering group) like to query the community for ideas on
 what to call the Community Edition in the future.

Mermate

A good mate of Mer.
Sounds like mermaid and you can even have one as logo if you wish.
Mer design traditionally had underwater references.

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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread Ruediger Gad
Hi,

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:13:32 -0700
Quim Gil quim@nokia.com wrote:

 On 10/10/2011 11:59 PM, ext Carsten Munk wrote:
   We (as in the steering group) like to query the community for ideas on
   what to call the Community Edition in the future.
 
 Mermate
 
 A good mate of Mer.
 Sounds like mermaid and you can even have one as logo if you wish.
 Mer design traditionally had underwater references.
 

+1
I think Mermate is pretty cool. Also the logo idea is great imho.
Why not go the whole way and call it Mermaid?

Mer vs. Meer is not distinct enough in my opinion and could be easily confused.
If the double 'e' needs to be kept one could think about Meermate or even
Meermaid or is the sounding still too close to mere?



Ruediger

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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread Nicolai Hess
Stick with maemos wind codenames?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Winds
Zonda
Monsoon

or more powerful
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Weather_hazards

blizzard
hazard
thunderstorm
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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread Tim Samoff


Bojan Kostić wrote:
 How about Mermer.
 

+1

This is sort of cool -- of course, harkening to murmur, or, a
soft-sounded and quiet utterance.

But, I have some other ideas too -- still working on them. ;)

Tim

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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread jeremias bosch

On 10/11/2011 07:40 PM, Foster, Dawn M wrote:

On Oct 11, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Ruediger Gad wrote:


Hi,

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:13:32 -0700
Quim Gilquim@nokia.com  wrote:


On 10/10/2011 11:59 PM, ext Carsten Munk wrote:

We (as in the steering group) like to query the community for ideas on
what to call the Community Edition in the future.

Mermate

A good mate of Mer.
Sounds like mermaid and you can even have one as logo if you wish.
Mer design traditionally had underwater references.


+1
I think Mermate is pretty cool. Also the logo idea is great imho.
Why not go the whole way and call it Mermaid?

Mer vs. Meer is not distinct enough in my opinion and could be easily confused.
If the double 'e' needs to be kept one could think about Meermate or even
Meermaid or is the sounding still too close to mere?

I like the variants of Mermaid. I'd avoid Mermaid itself because you want 
something
unique that doesn't get lost in Google amongst Little Mermaid discussions. You
want people to be able to find it easily in a search.

My favorite is Quim's original Mermate, but with Meermate as close second.

Naming is hard :)


Yep, ...What do you think about

Mermade

- Jeremias

Dawn
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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread Quim Gil

On 10/11/2011 12:11 PM, ext jeremias bosch wrote:

Yep, ...What do you think about

Mermade


Even better than mermate! Softer sound, closer to mermaid and with an 
additional meaning.


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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread Luis Araujo

What about 'Mar' ?

Spanish word for Sea .

Inside the Mar we find Mer . :)

Cheers,

On 10/11/2011 04:21 PM, Andy Ross wrote:

On 10/11/2011 12:11 PM, jeremias bosch wrote:

Yep, ...What do you think about

Mermade


Looks like mermaid juice to an american.

Andy
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Re: [Meego-handset] Naming of Community Edition - community discussion

2011-10-11 Thread William Marone

On 10/11/2011 4:45 PM, Chris Samuel wrote:

On Wed, 12 Oct 2011, 00:18:33 EST, Hillel Lubmanshtetl...@gmail.com  wrote:


I like *Cinnamon* proposed before. But if you
want to continue the Mer idea, while not using
the name - take something sea related.

Probably won't pass the guidelines, but MerMade ? :-)

That'd make you the 3rd person to recommend it, though I did so only jokingly and 
on IRC ;)


If everyone's thinking sea names and following along the mermaid thread, how 
about Neptune or Poseidon?


Or others: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_deity

And I'll echo one of Carsten's initial points:

* Can't include Mer within it as Mer's a core and CE is not the Mer UX (nor is 
anything)


Will
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