Re: [MBZ] St Louis get together? was: Thank you everyone!
OK, Tom, we have a definite quorum (spelling?) - when do we do this? BTW, I emailed them (the Kemp museum) the link for Hitler's G3A as a possible addition to their collection...don't know how deep thier pockets go (6.5 million opening bid). Christopher --- George Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/15/05 1:42 PM, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, Jason and I are in KC. Throw out some Saturday dates that work for you. Christopher On 9/15/05 10:37 AM, tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like a plan; just say when. Are there many other listers out there within a reasonable distance of St Louis? Perhaps we could turn it into a mini listfest. Hey Regina, can Kaleb come? Pretty please? Tom We'd be glad to open our home or whatever else we can contribute to this endeavor. My friend Deneal will do whatever I do! Thanks GG PS Miss Bee has volunteered to lead the ladies Casino tour ala Wizzbanned (should there be one) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel
It's like Back to the Future's Mr. Fusion has become a reality, except a far more useful product comes out ;) On 9/15/05, Ron Dwelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's an interesting story--using dead cats for fuel: http://makeashorterlink.com/?X13563ECB or http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx? type=oddlyEnoughNewsstoryID=2005-09 -14T160628Z_01_MAR457954_RTRIDST_0_OUKOE-UK-GERMANY-CATS.XML Ron Dwelle ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
[MBZ] For a cultural uplift
Couldn't hurt... www.sniffpetrol.com RLE
Re: [MBZ] Odd HVAC Failure
Perfectly normal behavior -- if you want it colder in the car, turn the temp dial down. You have Automatic Climate Control, not AC! It will turn the heat on for you in the winter, too. The ACC controls fan speed, vent selection, and temp to maintain a temperature close to that selected on the dial. Switching to defrost opens the monovalve (or opens the valve in the servo on older units) and turns full heat on -- it had better get warmer! Peter
Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel
Ron Dwelle wrote: Here's an interesting story--using dead cats for fuel: If dead cats work, so will dead people! Sort of a variation on Soylent Green. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Radiator flush and fill
So why is it full of the green crap? On 9/15/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im pretty sure I already flushed and filled it just before you got it. Richard Smith wrote: 87 300D603.96 engine I am going to flush and fill my radiator this weekend. In looking at the procedure in the manual it says to connect a special water hose tap between the top radiator hose and the radiator. It list it as part 117 589 00 90 00. 1. Where can I get this tool, or get a similar tool that will work? Next question. In step 7 and 8 it talks about Models with auxiliary heater 1. Does my car have this auxiliary heater and where is it located? 2. Where is the bleeder valve on the auxiliary heater? Thanks in advance for any information or advice! (c: -- OK Richard 1987 300D 178k with miles and miles to go!!! Midwest City, Oklahoma ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel
That particular newspaper seem to be about the equivalent of the National Enquirer as far as that article goes. Biodiesel can easily be made from waste fats, but that isn't what the inventor was doing, he was using trash, not dead animals. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Odd HVAC Failure
Peter typed: if you want it colder in the car, turn the temp dial down. All these wierd things occur with the dial set at coldest setting. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 139K Litchfield Park, AZ
Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel
I don't know. Sounds to me like the Chinese restaurants could make a killing. I mean think about it. Almost all of a cat can be served on the buffet. Then whats left can be turned into fuel. Its a win win scenario! On 9/15/05, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That particular newspaper seem to be about the equivalent of the National Enquirer as far as that article goes. Biodiesel can easily be made from waste fats, but that isn't what the inventor was doing, he was using trash, not dead animals. Peter ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Richard 1987 300D 178k with miles and miles to go!!! Midwest City, Oklahoma
Re: [MBZ] OT Long - New Orleans
Gerald R. Flintrop wrote: *Blame the facts:* New Orleans has a **Democrat** Mayor, a **Democrat** City Council, and a **Democrat **Chief of Police. Louisiana has a **Democrat **Governor, a **Democrat **Lt. Governor, a **Democrat** Attorney General; **24 **of 39 Louisiana State **Senators are Democrat**, **67 of 105 Louisiana State House Representatives are Democrat.** **So, YOU CAN SEE WHY IT’S ALL BUSH’S FAULT!** What gets me is, if it's so clearly the Democrats' fault, why are the Republicans making up facts to try to blame it on them? I keep hearing Republicans harping on the 2000 school buses that weren't put to use, but New Orleans never had 2000 buses. The New Orleans school district only has around 250 buses in operable condition. New Orleans had asked for 700 buses from FEMA but never got them. Sean Hannity just keeps harping on about those 2000 buses, though. When a side has to lie to try to place blame on someone else, it's time to wonder what they're trying to cover for.
Re: [MBZ] Odd HVAC Failure
Bob: You should just about get frozen out of the car with the temp dial set all the way down, as that turns off the re-heat. Fan speed will drop off to next to nothing and air just barely above freezing will come out the vents. This is normal behavior for a ACC unit, they all (GM, Ford, Benz, Audi, Volvo) do the same thing. I never move mine unless it's too hot or too cold -- the AC runs a little cool in temperate weather and the heater tends to be a bit cool in cold weather so I have a summer and winter setting, about 5 degrees apart. Don't set the blower on low, either, unless the fan is running full blast too much, as the air flow will be VERY low in cold weather, maybe even switched off on a 77, and you will freeze in the winter. Leave it on auto. If it won't cool well enough or the temp oscillates warm/cold at a mid range setting, you need to replace the hose for the cabin temp sensor aspirator motor, it's behind the glove box. The aspirator fan is on the heater box, and pull air through a foam hose past the actual temp sensor -- I think yours is in the dash somewhere. It's in the overhead by the sunroof switch on the W126 and W124. If that hose falls apart, the temp sensor will cause the car to get really cold, then switch on the heat as the cold air finally get to it, then turn the AC on full blast again when the hot air works in. Easy fix. Peter
Re: [MBZ] OT Long - New Orleans
I'm not from LA, but I've spent a lot of time there, and some of my best friends are Cajuns. Ya gotta remember that for many generations, the South (including LA) was solidly Democrat. That didn't mean liberal, though. The South became Democrat as a result of the backlash from the overbearing Republicans who ran things after the War of Northern Aggression. There is a term around here called Yellow Dog Democrat which basically says I'd vote for a Yellow Dog before I'd vote for a Republican. Southern Democrats were often much more conservative than Yankee Republicans (and may still be...) An interesting side note...it was the Southern Democrats who opposed much of the civil rights legislation of the 60's, which today's Democrats have conveniently forgotten. It was also Southern Democrats who gave Ronald Reagan a majority to get his agenda through. Over the past 40 years, the national Democratic party moved way to the left, and slowly but surely, many, many Southern Democrats switched parties to the Republican party. As Ronald Reagan said, the Democratic party left him, not vice versa. As a result, the number of Senators and Representatives in the South who are Democrats has radically declined. So how is LA different? For openers, LA is one or two generations behind the rest of the South in coming into the 21st century. The state also has a rich history of political payoffs, corruption, and rigging elections. In fact, they've refined corruption to an art. A corruption conviction is almost a badge of honor on a political resume. The state constitution has a base in Napoleonic law, so it's different from the rest of the USA in that respect as well. The Democratic Machine in LA is like the Chicago Machine on steroids...which makes it extremely difficult to elect Republicans. But...having said that, you don't always know that a LA Democrat is a liberal...e.g. John Breaux. I forget the details of how Mary Landrieu got elected to the Senate, but it wasn't because a majority of the voters voted Democrat. So between the Yellow Dog Democrats and the Democratic Party Machine in LA, the Dems have controlled LA for many generations, and run it as a political fiefdom, dealing out payoffs and whatever else it takes to stay in power, and never forget, it's not about principles, it's about power. Here are a couple of sayings from LA that say a lot... If you're not willing to cheat, you dont' deserve to win. Lagniappe is an old Cajun term the describes the extra that goes into any deal to make things go smoother. Don't get me wrong, I love my Cajun friends, and their music, their food and their zest for life, but I marvel at their ability to elect crooks to govern them. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 4:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Long - New Orleans Holy smokes! For some reason I was under the impression LA was part of the bible belt but with a democrat contingent like that how could they? I'm surprised nobody has yet said that the slow reaction of the fed was caused by the large proportions of dems in office. Any idea how LA voted in '04? -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:30:02 -0700 From: Gerald R. Flintrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Long - New Orleans To: 'Mercedes mailing list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Blame the facts: New Orleans has a Democrat Mayor, a Democrat City Council, and a Democrat Chief of Police. Louisiana has a Democrat Governor, a Democrat Lt. Governor, a Democrat Attorney General; 24 of 39 Louisiana State Senators are Democrat, 67 of 105 Louisiana State House Representatives are Democrat. So, YOU CAN SEE WHY IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] Radiator flush and fill
Kaleb, would you flush the system and then put green antifreeze back in? It does look pretty clean and fresh. Maybe it was the only thing you could get at the time and were planning to replace it real soon? On 9/15/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why is it full of the green crap? On 9/15/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im pretty sure I already flushed and filled it just before you got it. Richard Smith wrote: 87 300D 603.96 engine I am going to flush and fill my radiator this weekend. In looking at the procedure in the manual it says to connect a special water hose tap between the top radiator hose and the radiator. It list it as part 117 589 00 90 00. 1. Where can I get this tool, or get a similar tool that will work? Next question. In step 7 and 8 it talks about Models with auxiliary heater 1. Does my car have this auxiliary heater and where is it located? 2. Where is the bleeder valve on the auxiliary heater? Thanks in advance for any information or advice! (c: -- OK Richard 1987 300D 178k with miles and miles to go!!! Midwest City, Oklahoma ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Richard 1987 300D 178k with miles and miles to go!!! Midwest City, Oklahoma
Re: [MBZ] OT Long - New Orleans
Royce Engler wrote: it was the Southern Democrats who opposed much of the civil rights legislation of the 60's, which today's Democrats have conveniently forgotten. It's not so much that they've forgotten, it's that most of the anti-civil-rights Democrats moved to the Republican Party when the Republicans started to pursue a southern strategy. Strom Thurmond is the classic example, though as I recall he had a brief spell in the Dixiecrat party, as well. Here are a couple of sayings from LA that say a lot... Wasn't it Tennessee Williams who said that in Louisiana, they expect their politicians to be entertaining, and when they cease to be amusing they're subject to the .38 caliber recall? I've heard Texas is similar. I recall someone saying once that it's bad Texas ethics to switch sides, because once you're bought, you're supposed to stay bought. ;)
Re: [MBZ] Arizona project car
its probably a parts car, just from the pics it has rust, I bet it has more than what is showing. Rick Knoble wrote: This one doesn't look too bad... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-1975-240D-Gas-Saver-Not-Running_W0QQitemZ4574578701QQcategoryZ6329QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem No affiliation, ect. Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] Arizona project car
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: its probably a parts car, just from the pics it has rust, I bet it has more than what is showing. Isn't that always the way with rust? They say beauty is skin deep, but ugly goes to the bone. Likewise, shiny paint is only sheet metal deep, but rust often goes right to the frame. ;)
Re: [MBZ] Radiator flush and fill
I dont know, maybe I was thinking of another car. Hell I can keep track anymore. OK Don wrote: So why is it full of the green crap? On 9/15/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im pretty sure I already flushed and filled it just before you got it. Richard Smith wrote: 87 300D603.96 engine I am going to flush and fill my radiator this weekend. In looking at the procedure in the manual it says to connect a special water hose tap between the top radiator hose and the radiator. It list it as part 117 589 00 90 00. 1. Where can I get this tool, or get a similar tool that will work? Next question. In step 7 and 8 it talks about Models with auxiliary heater 1. Does my car have this auxiliary heater and where is it located? 2. Where is the bleeder valve on the auxiliary heater? Thanks in advance for any information or advice! (c: -- OK Richard 1987 300D 178k with miles and miles to go!!! Midwest City, Oklahoma ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] Radiator flush and fill
no, I would have put clear in, I dont buy green stuff. See my message to don. Richard Smith wrote: Kaleb, would you flush the system and then put green antifreeze back in? It does look pretty clean and fresh. Maybe it was the only thing you could get at the time and were planning to replace it real soon? On 9/15/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why is it full of the green crap? On 9/15/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im pretty sure I already flushed and filled it just before you got it. Richard Smith wrote: 87 300D603.96 engine I am going to flush and fill my radiator this weekend. In looking at the procedure in the manual it says to connect a special water hose tap between the top radiator hose and the radiator. It list it as part 117 589 00 90 00. 1. Where can I get this tool, or get a similar tool that will work? Next question. In step 7 and 8 it talks about Models with auxiliary heater 1. Does my car have this auxiliary heater and where is it located? 2. Where is the bleeder valve on the auxiliary heater? Thanks in advance for any information or advice! (c: -- OK Richard 1987 300D 178k with miles and miles to go!!! Midwest City, Oklahoma ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Richard 1987 300D 178k with miles and miles to go!!! Midwest City, Oklahoma ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] Odd HVAC Failure
Thanks Peter...I'll try different dial settings and see what happens. I renewed that foam hose when I replaced the front speakers. Another odd thing it did today...while on defrost setting, the passenger side of the car was blowing cold, and my side was blowing hot. What's up with that? Bob Rentfro 77' 300D 139K Litchfield park, AZ - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Odd HVAC Failure Bob: You should just about get frozen out of the car with the temp dial set all the way down, as that turns off the re-heat. Fan speed will drop off to next to nothing and air just barely above freezing will come out the vents. This is normal behavior for a ACC unit, they all (GM, Ford, Benz, Audi, Volvo) do the same thing. I never move mine unless it's too hot or too cold -- the AC runs a little cool in temperate weather and the heater tends to be a bit cool in cold weather so I have a summer and winter setting, about 5 degrees apart. Don't set the blower on low, either, unless the fan is running full blast too much, as the air flow will be VERY low in cold weather, maybe even switched off on a 77, and you will freeze in the winter. Leave it on auto. If it won't cool well enough or the temp oscillates warm/cold at a mid range setting, you need to replace the hose for the cabin temp sensor aspirator motor, it's behind the glove box. The aspirator fan is on the heater box, and pull air through a foam hose past the actual temp sensor -- I think yours is in the dash somewhere. It's in the overhead by the sunroof switch on the W126 and W124. If that hose falls apart, the temp sensor will cause the car to get really cold, then switch on the heat as the cold air finally get to it, then turn the AC on full blast again when the hot air works in. Easy fix. Peter ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel
Make room! Make room! Fred Moir Lynn MA If dead cats work, so will dead people! Sort of a variation on Soylent Green. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Radiator flush and fill
Anyone got any ideas on the original questions??? Thanks, Richard Smith wrote: 87 300D 603.96 engine I am going to flush and fill my radiator this weekend. In looking at the procedure in the manual it says to connect a special water hose tap between the top radiator hose and the radiator. It list it as part 117 589 00 90 00. 1. Where can I get this tool, or get a similar tool that will work? Next question. In step 7 and 8 it talks about Models with auxiliary heater Next question. In step 7 and 8 it talks about Models with auxiliary heater 1. Does my car have this auxiliary heater and where is it located? 2. Where is the bleeder valve on the auxiliary heater? Thanks in advance for any information or advice! (c: -- OK Richard 1987 300D 178k with miles and miles to go!!! Midwest City, Oklahoma
Re: [MBZ] hearing loss and fault diagnosis
As someone once said - Old age is not for the weak and timid. On the other hand, it beats the alternative. I'm with you on all counts -- On 9/15/05, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have any of you all noticed that it is more difficult to notice and diagnose problems as you get older? I picked up my son at lunch time and he asked me what I thought the squeaking sound was. My response, was of course, what squeaking sound? I can't hear it - especially over the noise of the diesel. My car makes some sounds that I can hear and I need to look for but the one's that I cannot hear worry me too. My 4Runner is in the same boat. My wife and boys have been saying for a while that it pings on light acceleration but I can't hear it. I had my brother in law over to listen (he is a mechanic) and he really counldn't hear what they were talking about either. I am also finding that I can't see bu**er all either without lots of artificial light. It is getting harder to work on stuff in the garage, especially if the weather is such that I want to keep the big door down. The scary thing, is that I know it has to get worse over time. Randy in Winnipeg, who can still see the computer screen well enough to complain in a post. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] Radiator flush and fill
Richard Smith wrote: Anyone got any ideas on the original questions??? Thanks, Richard Smith wrote: 87 300D603.96 engine I am going to flush and fill my radiator this weekend. In looking at the procedure in the manual it says to connect a special water hose tap between the top radiator hose and the radiator. It list it as part 117 589 00 90 00. 1. Where can I get this tool, or get a similar tool that will work? Next question. In step 7 and 8 it talks about Models with auxiliary heater Next question. In step 7 and 8 it talks about Models with auxiliary heater 1. Does my car have this auxiliary heater and where is it located? 2. Where is the bleeder valve on the auxiliary heater? If you have a US delivered car YOUR CAR DOESN'T HAVE AN AUX HEATER! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel
Better get busy crossing off warning labels so we have plenty of fuel;) Mike - Original Message - From: frederick w moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel Make room! Make room! Fred Moir Lynn MA If dead cats work, so will dead people! Sort of a variation on Soylent Green. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Odd HVAC Failure
Bob Rentfro wrote: Another odd thing it did today...while on defrost setting, the passenger side of the car was blowing cold, and my side was blowing hot. What's up with that? I don't even know how thats possible. Was each vent blowing the same amount of air? John '79 300SD
Re: [MBZ] Odd HVAC Failure
Peter Frederick wrote: You should just about get frozen out of the car with the temp dial set all the way down, as that turns off the re-heat. Fan speed will drop off to next to nothing and air just barely above freezing will come out the vents. This is normal behavior for a ACC unit, they all (GM, Ford, Benz, Audi, Volvo) do the same thing. Are you saying that as soon as the temp dial is set to 65 that the fan speed will drop or that it will drop in speed the closer it gets to 65? Don't set the blower on low, either, unless the fan is running full blast too much, as the air flow will be VERY low in cold weather, maybe even switched off on a 77, and you will freeze in the winter. Leave it on auto. Sounds like the system isn't doing its job properly and something is wrong it should maintain the desired temperature. The Type II ACC system doesn't have any means of turning the blower off. The push-button assembly controls the system mostly through vacuum, and when any mode except Off is the 'active' mode there is vacuum sent to the blower vacuum switch (turns on the blower). Only thing that can turn off the blower is the engine coolant temperature being below 40 Deg C when in heating mode (bypassed in cooling mode). John '79 300SD
Re: [MBZ] Oldtimer Mercedes Benz, Modell: G3A of 1933 Nazi-Car
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the picture. Had no idea the G-wagen lineage went back that far. Yes, the 300SL they have for sale is quite nice and CHEAP in comaparison to the Fuhrer's G3. Wonder what the likelihood of forgery is? There are legendary cases of SSK forgeries (or is it SSKL?) How does one forge a car? Tell me more ... Craig
Re: [MBZ] Thank you everyone!
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim told me about that: http://www.kempautomuseum.com/ We might make a day trip out of it sometime. It looks quite interesting. Christopher. THEY should get the Fuhrer's G3A! Yes, indeed. Craig
[MBZ] Fwd: Radiator flush and fill
I use one of the Prestone flushing kits in the heater water line, but I don't know that it does what the MB specified part does. I also don't know that it doesn't -- I bet that part could be simulated with a torch and some exhaust pipe, a garden hose fitting, some universal radiator hose stock, and a few clamps. I like to use the Prestone flush first to clean out oily greasy deposits, then the citric acid can get to the mineral deposits and do a better job. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it, even without empirical evidence. On 9/15/05, Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone got any ideas on the original questions??? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] Odd HVAC Failure
yes... wierd, huh? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 139K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Odd HVAC Failure Bob Rentfro wrote: Another odd thing it did today...while on defrost setting, the passenger side of the car was blowing cold, and my side was blowing hot. What's up with that? I don't even know how thats possible. Was each vent blowing the same amount of air? John '79 300SD ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Oil Leaks 190D 2.5 Turbo
List I got my front crankdhaft seal changed, which did reduce some of the leakage I had, but I am still leaking oil from the front of the engine. The top of the vacuum pump is dry, but I can see drips on the bottom of the cover. This is still the old pump without screws. Other place that I can see accumilation, is on the supply and return lines of the oil cooler. The oil leak is also draining down onto the AC compressor. I guess the only other place that I could have leakage from is the block and head joint. Are there any other items that I need to check to see were it is come from. I know the pump needs to be changed. The car has about 236,000 miles on it. I hate dripping oil where ever I stop. Regards, Robert Massmann Wilmington, Ohio 87 190D 2.5 Turbo 236K? 85 300CD 327K 82 300D 327K 81 VW Rabbit Pickup 210K (Diesel)
Re: [MBZ] vacuum hoses, purge and water...
Well as mentioned I did snap a vacuum hose on the 92 300TDt and replaced it with some stock at hand, but at the time I noted it was larger size tubing. Not the same as the snapped smaller diameter tubing. However on the other side of the pot feeding the transmission vacuum line was a flow restrictor so I thought perhaps it won't matter. Sigh. Of course it did, shifting became *rather firm, er really really firm*. So off to the dealer to get some proper diameter vacuum tubing, which I installed today and things are back to normal. This car also has the residual heat system, press button after turning car off, and it runs fan and pumps heat into the car until the temp goes under a certain value, or a time limit is exceeded. Problem is that didn't really push hot air, cold air was more like it. Prowling about showed the aux circulation pump was toast, no turning, but has voltage. That I replaced today and system works as expected. Lastly oil Leaks, we suspect a minor oil leak from either the upper oil pan seal, or the rear seal. Both of which are major work, remove engine from car type of work. Are these leaks normal for the OM603, should I just resort to cleaning the lower noise/wind shield once a month or so? toss the funds at the university kid under the roof. On 10-Sep-05, at 11:32 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: Long day working on vehicles, with a warning about vacuum hoses. .. Quickly snapped the hard plastic hose feeding a Y connector on the injection pump when pulling the Y. John 1983 300TDt 355k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1992 300TDt 147k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 166k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
Re: [MBZ] Oil Leaks 190D 2.5 Turbo
Robert Massmann wrote: List I got my front crankdhaft seal changed, which did reduce some of the leakage I had, but I am still leaking oil from the front of the engine. The top of the vacuum pump is dry, but I can see drips on the bottom of the cover. This is still the old pump without screws. Other place that I can see accumilation, is on the supply and return lines of the oil cooler. The oil leak is also draining down onto the AC compressor. I guess the only other place that I could have leakage from is the block and head joint. Are there any other items that I need to check to see were it is come from. I know the pump needs to be changed. The car has about 236,000 miles on it. I hate dripping oil where ever I stop. The leak at the bottom of the OM60x vacuum pump is a warning that it needs to be replaced! Please do it soon! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Odd HVAC Failure
Bob: Assuming you have a normal heater core, either one side is plugged or you have ice on the evaporator. Set the temp dial for about 70 to 75 F and see what happens. Sadly, you have the Chrysler servo system on that car, it's expensive if it fails. Peter
Re: [MBZ] vacuum hoses, purge and water...
John M McIntosh wrote: Well as mentioned I did snap a vacuum hose on the 92 300TDt and replaced it with some stock at hand, but at the time I noted it was larger size tubing. Not the same as the snapped smaller diameter tubing. However on the other side of the pot feeding the transmission vacuum line was a flow restrictor so I thought perhaps it won't matter. Sigh. Of course it did, shifting became *rather firm, er really really firm*. So off to the dealer to get some proper diameter vacuum tubing, which I installed today and things are back to normal. This car also has the residual heat system, press button after turning car off, and it runs fan and pumps heat into the car until the temp goes under a certain value, or a time limit is exceeded. Problem is that didn't really push hot air, cold air was more like it. Prowling about showed the aux circulation pump was toast, no turning, but has voltage. That I replaced today and system works as expected. Lastly oil Leaks, we suspect a minor oil leak from either the upper oil pan seal, or the rear seal. Both of which are major work, remove engine from car type of work. Are these leaks normal for the OM603, should I just resort to cleaning the lower noise/wind shield once a month or so? toss the funds at the university kid under the roof. While it CAN happen, leaks from the oil pan of OM60x engines are rare. Much more likely to be leaks from the injection pump seals and gaskets, the intake manifold runner going to the #2 cylinder, the head gasket (especially above the alternator), the timing chain cover, the front and rear engine seals and the front seal of transmission. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Radiator flush and fill
OK Don wrote: I use one of the Prestone flushing kits in the heater water line, but I don't know that it does what the MB specified part does. I also don't know that it doesn't -- It seems like that would flush the engine block and heater core, but not the radiator, unless you removed the thermostat. Maybe there's something I'm missing. I haven't done a flush on my Mercedes yet -- and when I do, I'll have to take it somewhere to have it done, because I don't have anywhere to do messy jobs like that anymore. But when I did one on my old VW, I didn't have any special tools, so I simply filled, warmed up, and drained the system repeatedly. It took about four complete fill/drain cycles before the water stopped looking greenish.
Re: [MBZ] Odd HVAC Failure
It has a variable speed fan, speed selected by switching a resistor set just like a manual HVAC in a Benz. When the temp dial is set to the minimum, it clicks -- this is an override position, at least on the later systems, that switches off any reheat via the heater core and servo or monovalve to provide maximum cooling with no temp control. Fan speed will drop to minimum and very cold air will be delivered so long as the temp dial is all the way down. Off the click stop you will have re-heat and the temp will be controlled at around 60-65F. On the later systems, fan speed is infinitely variable via a transistor switching system, and the fan speed can get VERY low if the low speed fan button is pushed. Remember, this is an automatic temperature control system, not a temperature of delivered air system. It will maintain cabin temp to the selected temperature within mechanical limits. Defrost and full heat (click stop at the highest tempt setting) do exactly the same with with heat -- full heater core flow reguardless of cabin temp. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Radiator flush and fill
you go down to walmart and buy the $3 prestone flush and fill kit, follow the directions. Works great, thats what I do. Richard Smith wrote: Anyone got any ideas on the original questions??? Thanks, Richard Smith wrote: 87 300D603.96 engine I am going to flush and fill my radiator this weekend. In looking at the procedure in the manual it says to connect a special water hose tap between the top radiator hose and the radiator. It list it as part 117 589 00 90 00. 1. Where can I get this tool, or get a similar tool that will work? Next question. In step 7 and 8 it talks about Models with auxiliary heater Next question. In step 7 and 8 it talks about Models with auxiliary heater 1. Does my car have this auxiliary heater and where is it located? 2. Where is the bleeder valve on the auxiliary heater? Thanks in advance for any information or advice! (c: -- OK Richard 1987 300D 178k with miles and miles to go!!! Midwest City, Oklahoma ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] Oil Leaks 190D 2.5 Turbo
It's possible that the gasket on the vac pump has failed, allowing oil to seep out. Check the front screws in the chain case (small ones on the front side) as they can work loose and allow oil to seep out of the gasket there without any leakage between cylinder. I suppose a small leak at the valve cover would travel down there, ditto for a leak from the intake manifold (boost pressure can push oil out the bottom of the runner to head interface, and it will drip down around the vac pump if it's the #1 runner). Might check for a drippy crossover pipe, too, for that matter, as they always leak sooner or later. Everything else I know of that leaks is on the other side. You've reminded me to check my 300D for the type of vac pump I have -- I hit 230,000 miles last week. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Radiator flush and fill
yes, you have to remove the thermostat on some models, on others, you have to install a special part that is basically a cored out thermostat. David Brodbeck wrote: OK Don wrote: I use one of the Prestone flushing kits in the heater water line, but I don't know that it does what the MB specified part does. I also don't know that it doesn't -- It seems like that would flush the engine block and heater core, but not the radiator, unless you removed the thermostat. Maybe there's something I'm missing. I haven't done a flush on my Mercedes yet -- and when I do, I'll have to take it somewhere to have it done, because I don't have anywhere to do messy jobs like that anymore. But when I did one on my old VW, I didn't have any special tools, so I simply filled, warmed up, and drained the system repeatedly. It took about four complete fill/drain cycles before the water stopped looking greenish. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel
I sure hope people don't get the wrong idea about this one, we'll be hearing the animal rights activists screaming foul!! Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like Back to the Future's Mr. Fusion has become a reality, except a far more useful product comes out ;) On 9/15/05, Ron Dwelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's an interesting story--using dead cats for fuel: http://makeashorterlink.com/?X13563ECB or http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx? type=oddlyEnoughNewsstoryID=2005-09 -14T160628Z_01_MAR457954_RTRIDST_0_OUKOE-UK-GERMANY-CATS.XML Ron Dwelle ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 -- 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
Re: [MBZ] vacuum hoses, purge and water...
I have some minor leaks on the 300D -- worst one was a leaking oil filler cap, replaced them on all the Benzes and reduced the oil consumption considerably. I never have to add oil between changes (6000 miles or so) on the 300D, have to add a quart or two on the TE. The 220D, when running, uses at least a couple quarts to a tank of fuel, so I ignore leaks on that one! Check the oil filler cap for leaks -- remove cap, wipe area completely dry, and re-install cap. The presence of ANY oil around the cap after driving indicates it's leaking, replace. Peter
Re: [MBZ] whats y'alls take on this?
Nice long wheel base Benz, doesn't seem to be neglected but how do they justify almost $2K to do a head gasket repair? I also noticed they have it listed as a 6 cyl, I do believe the 350 SDL was a 5 cyl Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-1991-Mercedes-Benz-350-SDL-Turbo-Diesel_W0QQitemZ4575590524QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
[MBZ] 1986 BMW 524td
Anyone have any experience with these vehicles? Any opinions ala acquire if you can or avoid like the plague and why? Thanks! DG __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] whats y'alls take on this?
6 cylnder
Re: [MBZ] 1986 BMW 524td
Until the spike in the price of diesel cars in the U.S., (~ 18 months ago) they often went for small money on eBay. Now they fetch more. Nothing wrong with them per se, however they are rare and so is expertise on them, either from wrenches, the parts suppliers, or even on-line. You find a few people who have them on the BMW lists, but not many. Let's put it this way, if you are comfortable learning your way through a new car by yourself, then no problem. Otherwise, if you want to go outside of the Benz world, try a Peugeot instead as there are a lot of Pug nuts out there. Or of course VW, easy to break but even easier to work on (speaking of the old engines, not TDIs here) and parts are so cheap (pre-TDI) it makes you want to cry. mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have any experience with these vehicles? Any opinions ala acquire if you can or avoid like the plague and why? Thanks! DG __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 190D tires
The chances are using a cheap tire may just be defeating the whole purpose. Might have to resort to finding a decent HR or maybe VR rated tire. Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My overall experience with tires on my Mercedes 300SDL is that anything short of H rated Michelins wear like crap. This includes the Continental Touring Sport Contacts. I'm an aggressive driver and I scrub the tread off the inside outside edges of my tires. Others, including my oldest Son, can get great mileage out of just about anything. My Porsche is another story. I can run several brands with no apparent problem, probably because its a much lighter car. Same with my Infinity J30. I'm running cheap S rated tires on it and they are wearing as well as the the ones on the Porsche. It all depends on the car and your driving style. I've owned 15 Mercedes to date and they've all chewed up tires. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry M.) Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:09 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D tires Alex, I've had good luck with the ones on my Benz but I have heard a few comments regarding how they wear. Guess it just depends on the vehicle and how a person drives. I'm a bit of a agressive driver, but again sometimes you have to factor in the vehicle and suspension which makes a difference on how the tire wears. Mercedes uses Continental tires on alot of their cars so I'm surprized their after market tires don't wear as well Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure if they're the same model you're referring to, Harry, but I have Continential Touring Sport Contacts on my 124 and while they corner nicely and are quiet on the freeway, they wear like crap. They've got less than 10,000 miles on them and the tread looks half gone, which I find unacceptable, even considering that I do, as BMW owner's manuals used to put it, drive in a spirited manner. On 9/14/05, Harry M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Dunlop SP60 is a good choice as well as the Continental Conti-Sport Alex Chamberlain '87 300D ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
Re: [MBZ] Odd HVAC Failure
Peter Frederick wrote: It has a variable speed fan, speed selected by switching a resistor set just like a manual HVAC in a Benz. When the temp dial is set to the minimum, it clicks -- this is an override position, at least on the later systems, that switches off any reheat via the heater core and servo or monovalve to provide maximum cooling with no temp control. Fan speed will drop to minimum and very cold air will be delivered so long as the temp dial is all the way down. Off the click stop you will have re-heat and the temp will be controlled at around 60-65F. Ahh... okay, the Type II (Chrysler) system doesn't have the specific override, but it will still end up in max cooling as it will try to cool the car to 65 (same end result, just takes a few more seconds). The low fan speed just doesn't make sense to me I understand that the low fan speed will result in the lowest temperature outlet air, but I think that a high blower speed would cool the car off quicker. So lets say that at a given engine RPM and amount of airflow over the condensor there will be specific amount of BTUs that can be transferred out of the air flowing over the evaporator. At a low blower speed there is less hot air flowing into the system, which results in less heat (BTUs) being put across the evaporator. When the system removes the amount of BTUs it is capable of, since there wasn't a significant amount of BTUs being put in the system, removing all the BTUs results in very cold air temperatures. Here we run into the problem of when the temp gets lower than 38 degrees or so, the evap starts icing up. At this point the compressor will cycle. When the compressor is off it is not removing BTUs from inside the car. When the blower speed is on high there is a significant amount of hot air flowing across the evaporator. This results in a significant amount of BTUs entering the system. When the evaporator has removed all of the BTUs it can, the air temperature will not experience as great of a temperature drop as was experienced when the blower motor was on its lowest setting; however, the same amount of BTUs were removed. The two advantages I see about using the high blower setting are that the compressor will not cycle as the evaporator is not going below 38 deg, and that higher air volume will allow more air to flow through the car. IE at a low air volume the back seat might not experience any cold air flow from the vents, and hot air from the back seat will not flow as quickly to the air intake (during re-circ mode). This is the only way I know to look at it I am by no means a mechanical engineer so I'm very likely to be missing something, but as I see it now the low blower speed just doesn't make sense. Also, I've always heard of people referring to blower on high for testing max cooling capability... I believe even the MB manual mentions it, although I can't find the specific place at the moment. On the later systems, fan speed is infinitely variable via a transistor switching system, and the fan speed can get VERY low if the low speed fan button is pushed. Type II system has 5 stages and the low is pretty low, but still noticeable. Referring to Bob's original question, whisper is kinda vague as the lowest stage could easily be descibed like that when compared to defrost! I interpreted it as a the recirculation flap was still letting fresh air in, and when the blower stopped he was just feeling the air forcing its way in while he was driving. Remember, this is an automatic temperature control system, not a temperature of delivered air system. It will maintain cabin temp to the selected temperature within mechanical limits. Yes. The Type II system is kinda flakey though... especially when compared to the Type III system, which is an excellent design. Defrost and full heat (click stop at the highest tempt setting) do exactly the same with with heat -- full heater core flow reguardless of cabin temp. Yep, and in that case full blower for sure the heater core definitely has plenty of BTUs to play with :) I hope I don't come across as arrogant or anything... I just want to make sure of my reasoning behind this... I'm taking senior design at school and have found some people who liked the idea of designing an affordable replacement to the Type II ACC system, and as such want to make sure I'm doing it right!! Take care, John '79 300SD (two of them... each with dead servos)
Re: [MBZ] Odd HVAC Failure
In a message dated 9/15/2005 3:41:00 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've never seen this... My AC has worked fairly well this summer. I've had a little cold air escaping through the defrost damper...not enough to warrent the pain it is to change that pod out. Now, after the AC runs on auto hi for about 5 minutes, everything kind of fails in a mid position. It seems the fan wanes and I get a whisper of cold air out of all the HVAC orifices. I can switch to defrost and the fan becomes wicked strong and the air that comes out is about 10 degrees high than the air out of the center vents when AC is working well. What the heck is going on? I imagine it's vacuum related, but I was wondering if anyone has seen this before and had a clue for me...before I start on a vacuum troubleshooting fest tomorrow. Bob, I would say your in dash temperature sensor is getting a shot of cold air. Perhaps the tube has fallen off that aspirates that sensor. Cold air under the dash is striking the sensor from below. that would cause the system to modulate as the sensor appears satisfied. Regards, Jim (deaf in right ear)Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 137 K miles
Re: [MBZ] vacuum hoses, purge and water...
Peter Frederick wrote: Check the oil filler cap for leaks -- remove cap, wipe area completely dry, and re-install cap. The presence of ANY oil around the cap after driving indicates it's leaking, replace. I thought it usually indicated that somebody put it upside down when they took it off, allowing the oil on it to run off the gasket and into the lid.
[MBZ] WTB engine box for 94 SL600 UPDATE
My Insurance guy got back to me with the part # for the box he needs for his V12. MB part # 129 545 04 32 Bosh # 0205 00 019, I need to re-install my EPC so I still don't know what its called. Apparently the wiring harness burnt up and fried the box, He's had an Indy rebuild the wiring harness and just needs this box to get the SL running on all 12. If anyone has this for sale or knows a source, please let me know. Thanks, Russ H.
Re: [MBZ] whats y'alls take on this?
6 cylinder rod bender - 603.970 engine On 9/15/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6 cylnder -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] whats y'alls take on this?
the 350 was a 6 cyl. Harry M. wrote: Nice long wheel base Benz, doesn't seem to be neglected but how do they justify almost $2K to do a head gasket repair? I also noticed they have it listed as a 6 cyl, I do believe the 350 SDL was a 5 cyl Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-1991-Mercedes-Benz-350-SDL-Turbo-Diesel_W0QQitemZ4575590524QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] OT Long - New Orleans
Dave said... I've heard Texas is similar. I recall someone saying once that it's bad Texas ethics to switch sides, because once you're bought, you're supposed to stay bought. ;) The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas used to refer to a place called the Chicken Ranch outside of LaGrange (there used to be lots of others like it as well...), but it now refers to the State House and Senate. We don't do anything halfwaywe've got the BEST legislators money can buy. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Radiator flush and fill
Yes on my model you have to replace the thermostat with the special part. I am just going to take the old one and lock it in the open position and put it back in. Then I have a brand new one to install afterwards. On 9/15/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, you have to remove the thermostat on some models, on others, you have to install a special part that is basically a cored out thermostat. David Brodbeck wrote: OK Don wrote: I use one of the Prestone flushing kits in the heater water line, but I don't know that it does what the MB specified part does. I also don't know that it doesn't -- It seems like that would flush the engine block and heater core, but not the radiator, unless you removed the thermostat. Maybe there's something I'm missing. I haven't done a flush on my Mercedes yet -- and when I do, I'll have to take it somewhere to have it done, because I don't have anywhere to do messy jobs like that anymore. But when I did one on my old VW, I didn't have any special tools, so I simply filled, warmed up, and drained the system repeatedly. It took about four complete fill/drain cycles before the water stopped looking greenish. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Richard 1987 300D 178k with miles and miles to go!!! Midwest City, Oklahoma
Re: [MBZ] whats y'alls take on this?
someone wrote: Nice long wheel base Benz, doesn't seem to be neglected but how do they justify almost $2K to do a head gasket repair? If memory serves, the $2k range is about right for what I have heard owners of the six-cylinder turbodiesels report as the average bill, taking into account the re/re and machine shop work on the head, and the various small 'gotchas' that normall crop up during those jobs. If you have had it done for substantially less, any tips would be welcome. Mac
Re: [MBZ] 1986 BMW 524td
Avoid like the plague, they only made them for 2 years, used parts are impossible to find, new parts are few and far between. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Goldsmith Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 12:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 1986 BMW 524td Anyone have any experience with these vehicles? Any opinions ala acquire if you can or avoid like the plague and why? Thanks! DG __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] WTB engine box for 94 SL600 UPDATE
Mercedes subs that number to 129 545 22 32. We sell it brand new Genuine MB for $4760.00. Your EPC won't help you much, MB calls it a control unit. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 http://www.BuyMBparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RAH Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] WTB engine box for 94 SL600 UPDATE My Insurance guy got back to me with the part # for the box he needs for his V12. MB part # 129 545 04 32 Bosh # 0205 00 019, I need to re-install my EPC so I still don't know what its called. Apparently the wiring harness burnt up and fried the box, He's had an Indy rebuild the wiring harness and just needs this box to get the SL running on all 12. If anyone has this for sale or knows a source, please let me know. Thanks, Russ H.
Re: [MBZ] RssReader and Craig's list!?
From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] RssReader and Craig's list!? I might have been one of them. I use SharpReader http://www.sharpreader.net/ I'd be more than happy to explain it's use offlist. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD Hi Rick, SharpReader worked beautifuly from the get go! I have a question or two which I'll send you offlist. Thank you for your help, Omar.
[MBZ] Falkenhorst Picnic Dirt Track Autocross
On Saturday, September 17th, from noon to midnight, the MBCA NNJS, in association with SJS DVS are having a picnic, car show and dirt track autocross at: Falkenhorst 41 Moore's Mill Mount Rose Road Hopewell, NJ 08525 609 466 1718 All starpeople are invited! John Kuhn Bleimaier PS: I will be showing my slides from this year's Pebble Beach weekend.
Re: [MBZ] Using dead cats as fuel
alphakat.de - his site - read all about it. fascinating. cm --- Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That particular newspaper seem to be about the equivalent of the National Enquirer as far as that article goes. Biodiesel can easily be made from waste fats, but that isn't what the inventor was doing, he was using trash, not dead animals. Peter ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] Oldtimer Mercedes Benz, Modell: G3A of 1933 Nazi-Car
Wasn't a vehicle like this commandeered by Lee Marvin Co. in _The Dirty Dozen_? --mf On Sep 15, 2005, at 9:31 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: Thanks for the picture. Had no idea the G-wagen lineage went back that far. Yes, the 300SL they have for sale is quite nice and CHEAP in comaparison to the Fuhrer's G3. Wonder what the likelihood of forgery is? There are legendary cases of SSK forgeries (or is it SSKL?) _ L. Mark Finch Indianapolis, Indiana 1989 Volvo 245 1985 Jaguar XJ6 SIII 1982 Mercedes 300D 1960 Austin-Healey Sprite 1969 Triumph TR6R (MC) 1950 Massey-Harris Pony
[MBZ] Wie Viel M1 ATF
How much M1 ATF will it take to fill the power steering system after I get rid of all the old crap and change the filter? I'm going to do this before I start messing with my crazy HVAC. Thanks. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 139K Litchfield Park, AZ
Re: [MBZ] Oldtimer Mercedes Benz, Modell: G3A of 1933 Nazi-Car
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You get an SSK or two or three for parts (not cheap) and then drill out the frame to make it a much more rare SSKL and then masterly fabricate missing parts. This has been done...forget the guys name (American) who got away with it for a while, till he was caught. THe said part is that restorable SSK's are destroyed in the process. I take it, then, that the SSKL is a lightened version of the SSK. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Wie Viel M1 ATF
In a message dated 9/16/2005 7:56:26 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much M1 ATF will it take to fill the power steering system after I get rid of all the old crap and change the filter? I'm going to do this before I start messing with my crazy HVAC. Bob, Less than a quart. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 137 K miles
Re: [MBZ] Oldtimer Mercedes Benz, Modell: G3A of 1933 Nazi-Car
yep. Not sure what the SS means, but K is Kompressor (supercharged) and L is Leicht (light)...as in SL - sport leicht. SSKL had holes in the frame to lighten it: 8w.forix.com/fos04-sat/photos/photo_62.html Christopher, NOT an expert in MB history --- Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You get an SSK or two or three for parts (not cheap) and then drill out the frame to make it a much more rare SSKL and then masterly fabricate missing parts. This has been done...forget the guys name (American) who got away with it for a while, till he was caught. THe said part is that restorable SSK's are destroyed in the process. I take it, then, that the SSKL is a lightened version of the SSK. Craig ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] Wie Viel M1 ATF
Thanks, Jim. BR - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wie Viel M1 ATF In a message dated 9/16/2005 7:56:26 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much M1 ATF will it take to fill the power steering system after I get rid of all the old crap and change the filter? I'm going to do this before I start messing with my crazy HVAC. Bob, Less than a quart. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 137 K miles -- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] limo
Here's a 300 for someone! http://makeashorterlink.com/?V14B51FCB Ron Dwelle
Re: [MBZ] limo
uh...wow. 300 what? diesel? gas? If it were gas, why such a small engine? Is 85 the correct year for that car? Seems earlier, no? Christopher --- Ron Dwelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a 300 for someone! http://makeashorterlink.com/?V14B51FCB Ron Dwelle ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] limo
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:56:59 -0400 Ron Dwelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a 300 for someone! http://makeashorterlink.com/?V14B51FCB Or maybe, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-600-Series-Limousine-1972-Mercedes-Benz-600-SWB-Grosser-48-000-mile-MINT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6333QQitemZ4575457839QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-500-Series-LIMOUSINE-DAIMLER-BENZ-126-STRETCH-CONVERTIBLE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6332QQitemZ4574218400QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-E-320-Series-Custom-Built-1998-M-Benz-18-stretch-Limousine_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6335QQitemZ4574896128QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW A question: what do the heavier limos do for tires? Craig
Re: [MBZ] WTB engine box for 94 SL600 UPDATE
Russ, That would be the E-GAS module (electronic accelerator (EA) control - NOT the fuel injection LH module, not the ASR module, and not the Basic module). Bummer part is that a quick search doesn't show one available used. That doesn't mean there isn't one available, just that it might be hard to locate. Try Potomac German on the east coast, and Silver Start and Stockton Auto in CA, and DV Salvage in OK. If you can't find one used, Rusty will have the best price for a new one (although I agree $4k is a bit hard to swallow - ouch.) On a side note, I would not want the indy to repair the harness. It should be replaced! That's probably about $2k for the new harness, but a 'repaired' old harness can fail somewhere else later on and fry another $4k E-GAS module. (Ouch.) :-( -dm -- Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:07:49 -0400 From: RAH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] WTB engine box for 94 SL600 UPDATE My Insurance guy got back to me with the part # for the box he needs for his V12. MB part # 129 545 04 32 Bosh # 0205 00 019, I need to re-install my EPC so I still don't know what its called. Apparently the wiring harness burnt up and fried the box, He's had an Indy rebuild the wiring harness and just needs this box to get the SL running on all 12. If anyone has this for sale or knows a source, please let me know. Thanks, Russ H.
Re: [MBZ] limo
The w123 chassis was sold through MY 1985. I seem to have misplaced my Nitske bible, but IIRC the w123 limos were made with 200, 220 and 300 diesel engines, or gas 230 or 250 engines, depending on the market. If one of you wants one, Dan Penoff, the Mercedes Martha Stewart (tm) just recently had his up for sale, for a bit more money but not much. His is immaculate, and anyone who knows Dan knows that when it's Dan's, its BF IMMACULATE. Anything at Ft. Lauderdale dealer with one lousy pic like that is worth $2.5k on a good day. If they want more, they might try to put some effort into it. Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uh...wow. 300 what? diesel? gas? If it were gas, why such a small engine? Is 85 the correct year for that car? Seems earlier, no? Christopher --- Ron Dwelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a 300 for someone! http://makeashorterlink.com/?V14B51FCB Ron Dwelle ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] limo
The W115 limo is absolutely awesome. Period. (1st link) Christopher --- Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:56:59 -0400 Ron Dwelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a 300 for someone! http://makeashorterlink.com/?V14B51FCB Or maybe, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-600-Series-Limousine-1972-Mercedes-Benz-600-SWB-Grosser-48-000-mile-MINT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6333QQitemZ4575457839QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-500-Series-LIMOUSINE-DAIMLER-BENZ-126-STRETCH-CONVERTIBLE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6332QQitemZ4574218400QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-E-320-Series-Custom-Built-1998-M-Benz-18-stretch-Limousine_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6335QQitemZ4574896128QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW A question: what do the heavier limos do for tires? Craig ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van __ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/
Re: [MBZ] limo
so it's diesel then? Christopher --- Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The w123 chassis was sold through MY 1985. I seem to have misplaced my Nitske bible, but IIRC the w123 limos were made with 200, 220 and 300 diesel engines, or gas 230 or 250 engines, depending on the market. If one of you wants one, Dan Penoff, the Mercedes Martha Stewart (tm) just recently had his up for sale, for a bit more money but not much. His is immaculate, and anyone who knows Dan knows that when it's Dan's, its BF IMMACULATE. Anything at Ft. Lauderdale dealer with one lousy pic like that is worth $2.5k on a good day. If they want more, they might try to put some effort into it. Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uh...wow. 300 what? diesel? gas? If it were gas, why such a small engine? Is 85 the correct year for that car? Seems earlier, no? Christopher --- Ron Dwelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a 300 for someone! http://makeashorterlink.com/?V14B51FCB Ron Dwelle ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] limo
Good Luck getting $5,900. Just ask Dan Penoff. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 1:06 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] limo uh...wow. 300 what? diesel? gas? If it were gas, why such a small engine? Is 85 the correct year for that car? Seems earlier, no? Christopher --- Ron Dwelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a 300 for someone! http://makeashorterlink.com/?V14B51FCB Ron Dwelle ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] limo
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 01:15:12PM -0400, Steve MacSween wrote: The w123 chassis was sold through MY 1985. I seem to have misplaced my Nitske bible, but IIRC the w123 limos were made with 200, 220 and 300 diesel engines, or gas 230 or 250 engines, depending on the market. If one of you wants one, Dan Penoff, the Mercedes Martha Stewart (tm) just recently had his up for sale, for a bit more money but not much. His is immaculate, and anyone who knows Dan knows that when it's Dan's, its BF IMMACULATE. Anything at Ft. Lauderdale dealer with one lousy pic like that is worth $2.5k on a good day. If they want more, they might try to put some effort into it. There's someone just north of here who has a LWB 123 that is a 240D/stick. While the pictures of it show a seemingly nice car, he wanted somewhere north of five digits, saying how rare and uncommon it was. I'd rather have penoff's, myself, but if you want the slowest from the factory 240D out there and think it's worth ten grand, I'll dig up the ad. K
Re: [MBZ] Cayenne..who knew anyone would buy one?
why isn't the powerstroke 7.3 a true diesel? On 9/14/05, Harry M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently Ford doesn't warrant those diesel sngines that have been modified. The 7.3 in my opinion isn't a true diesel to begin with Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry M.) wrote: Depending on the use and how often you use the propane injection it is perfectly safe. Just don't put it on a 7.3PSD with WD Tri-power chip and run it at the top setting. (sorry, I implied it might have been a BD chip but I looked it up and I was wrong, more than one poster on ford-diesel.com http://ford-diesel.com blew their motors with that combo, but only one tried to get Ford to foot the bill via warranty fraud) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
Re: [MBZ] Cayenne..who knew anyone would buy one?
im not a thief, i just mind my own business and don't stick my nose where it dosen't belong. On 9/14/05, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why would you send the stealership copies of the email? did you ever stop and think that it's none of your fucking business? god these vigilante are lame Not half as lame as you thieves and scammers. Foodfight! ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
Re: [MBZ] 1986 BMW 524td
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 09:12:02AM -0400, Rusty Cullens wrote: Avoid like the plague, they only made them for 2 years, used parts are impossible to find, new parts are few and far between. Head prone to cracking, and if the parts guy says they're hard to find parts for... But, they were supposed to be a lot of fun to drive, and get good mileage. That engine also appeared in a model of lincolns and in some motorhomes (lesharo?) K
Re: [MBZ] E300D charging system question
Thanks Marshall and Trampas. The alternator on this car does not have this. More testing reveiled a bad battery as the culprit. Picture of subject alternator attached. On 9/15/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans Neureiter wrote: Tried this. No humm anywhere on this band. What symptoms do bad brushes show? Not sure that an OM606 has an alternator similar to mine but if it is, unscrew the voltage regulator/brush assembly on the back of the alternator and LOOK at the brushes. If they are serious worn (mine have all been seriously worn by about 135-150kmi) replace the regulator brush assembly. Here's a picture of the brush assembly: http://img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/F401039368BOS.JPG Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D attachment: F400051631BOS.jpe
Re: [MBZ] limo
Its not really a limo, its a 123 LWB. These are VERY VERY rare. Ron Dwelle wrote: Here's a 300 for someone! http://makeashorterlink.com/?V14B51FCB Ron Dwelle ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] limo
Thats not a 115, its a 600 Christopher McCann wrote: The W115 limo is absolutely awesome. Period. (1st link) Christopher --- Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:56:59 -0400 Ron Dwelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a 300 for someone! http://makeashorterlink.com/?V14B51FCB Or maybe, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-600-Series-Limousine-1972-Mercedes-Benz-600-SWB-Grosser-48-000-mile-MINT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6333QQitemZ4575457839QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-500-Series-LIMOUSINE-DAIMLER-BENZ-126-STRETCH-CONVERTIBLE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6332QQitemZ4574218400QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-E-320-Series-Custom-Built-1998-M-Benz-18-stretch-Limousine_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6335QQitemZ4574896128QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW A question: what do the heavier limos do for tires? Craig ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van __ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] 1986 BMW 524td
some early lincon mk VIIs had them. few. maybe 1984ish. i kinda wanted one At 01:55 PM 9/16/2005, you wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 09:12:02AM -0400, Rusty Cullens wrote: Avoid like the plague, they only made them for 2 years, used parts are impossible to find, new parts are few and far between. Head prone to cracking, and if the parts guy says they're hard to find parts for... But, they were supposed to be a lot of fun to drive, and get good mileage. That engine also appeared in a model of lincolns and in some motorhomes (lesharo?) K ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] limo - W100 (600 limo)
That's not a W115, it's a W100... a 100.012 to be specific. One of the most expensive cars on the planet to own. If you aren't used to spending whatever you like and having accountants figure out your finances, run away. For those that missed the original link: http://tinyurl.com/9soct Example: The injection pump for the engine has a current list price of $24,000. Thankfully the rebuilt pump is only $4500 plus a $1250 core. The injectors are $1730 each, that's $14,000 for a set of eight (no rebuilds available for those.) My favorite? The rear axle is $24k rebuilt plus $3k core... only rebuilds available. ;-) No argument on it being an awesome car though - that it definitely is, especially considering the time period! :) -dm -- Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:24:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] limo To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] The W115 limo is absolutely awesome. Period. (1st link) Christopher
Re: [MBZ] 1986 BMW 524td
The motorhomes were called Vixens. LeSharos had Renault turbodiesel running gear IIRC. On 9/16/05, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 09:12:02AM -0400, Rusty Cullens wrote: Avoid like the plague, they only made them for 2 years, used parts are impossible to find, new parts are few and far between. Head prone to cracking, and if the parts guy says they're hard to find parts for... But, they were supposed to be a lot of fun to drive, and get good mileage. That engine also appeared in a model of lincolns and in some motorhomes (lesharo?) Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: '87 300TD intercooler (209k) '84 300D (204k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (185K)
Re: [MBZ] limo
Called the guy. 6 cylinder gas engine 54,000 miles showing. He has no more photos. Ron Dwelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a 300 for someone! http://makeashorterlink.com/?V14B51FCB Ron Dwelle __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
Re: [MBZ] Cayenne..who knew anyone would buy one?
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:52:55AM -0700, Gabriel S. wrote: why isn't the powerstroke 7.3 a true diesel? It is a medium duty diesel engine used in things a lot heavier than most light duty truck buyers would ever need. BUT, its block started life as a gasoline engine. Unlike other engines that come to mind that were gasoline engines that were converted to diesel (like the olds engine), the powerstroke is quite rugged. It only has one achilles heel, that it can cavitate and punch holes in the cylinder bores costing lots of damage if the cooling system is neglected. (Well, that, cam position sensors that can fail, and oil that has to have anti-foaming agents otherwise it'll lope like a big cammed big block) K
Re: [MBZ] 1986 BMW 524td
Yes, Renault. Excellent motors performance-wise, but one or two pretty gruesome design achilles heels. The LeSharos have a cult following existing outside of all reason, sort of like the Westie Vanagons. I know of one guy wo hauled one with a dead engine like 1500 miles back home, just to get one. Such a deal! Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The motorhomes were called Vixens. LeSharos had Renault turbodiesel running gear IIRC. On 9/16/05, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 09:12:02AM -0400, Rusty Cullens wrote: Avoid like the plague, they only made them for 2 years, used parts are impossible to find, new parts are few and far between. Head prone to cracking, and if the parts guy says they're hard to find parts for... But, they were supposed to be a lot of fun to drive, and get good mileage. That engine also appeared in a model of lincolns and in some motorhomes (lesharo?) Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: '87 300TD intercooler (209k) '84 300D (204k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (185K) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1986 BMW 524td
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 11:31:57AM -0700, Zeitgeist wrote: The motorhomes were called Vixens. LeSharos had Renault turbodiesel running gear IIRC. Sounds familiar, and I know better than to disagree with Casey on french engines ;) K
[MBZ] 300td 1982 trailer hitch
Hello, got a reasonably priced solution? price? your phone? thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com payment by all major credit cards or by paypal Java Photo Java Bajaj Cycles 107 Paradise Boulevard Athens, Georgia 30607 706 354-0988 3-6 pm or later (eastern time) 706 354-8877 fax
Re: [MBZ] Wie Viel M1 ATF
Bob Rentfro wrote: How much M1 ATF will it take to fill the power steering system after I get rid of all the old crap and change the filter? I'm going to do this before I start messing with my crazy HVAC. 1.4 liter (about 3 pt) for a 123. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] 300td 1982 trailer hitch
Dude, for $700 I'll MAKE you one here in my driveway. Just paypal me right away ;-). Seriously, to whom were you speaking? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, got a reasonably priced solution? price? your phone? thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com payment by all major credit cards or by paypal Java Photo Java Bajaj Cycles 107 Paradise Boulevard Athens, Georgia 30607 706 354-0988 3-6 pm or later (eastern time) 706 354-8877 fax ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] limo
Well, if nothing else, please feel free to pass on my very highest regards for his comprehensive grasp of on-line marketing strategies ;-). Perhaps suggest he consider writing for the publishers of the Dummies series? LoL. Is it Friday yet? Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Called the guy. 6 cylinder gas engine 54,000 miles showing. He has no more photos. Ron Dwelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a 300 for someone! http://makeashorterlink.com/?V14B51FCB Ron Dwelle __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] 86 190D
I called on a 190 D for sale in N. Carolina. The guy insists that it's a 4 cylinder, 5-speed, and 1986. He claims it's a rare model--one of only 200 made. I thought the 4 cylinder ended in 1985. Does anyone have info on this? Thanks, Ron Dwelle
Re: [MBZ] 86 190D
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 02:55:43PM -0400, Ron Dwelle wrote: I called on a 190 D for sale in N. Carolina. The guy insists that it's a 4 cylinder, 5-speed, and 1986. He claims it's a rare model--one of only 200 made. I thought the 4 cylinder ended in 1985. Does anyone have info on this? Unless there was a euro 2.0 available in 86, it's a five banger. K
Re: [MBZ] 86 190D
Ron Dwelle wrote: I called on a 190 D for sale in N. Carolina. The guy insists that it's a 4 cylinder, 5-speed, and 1986. He claims it's a rare model--one of only 200 made. I thought the 4 cylinder ended in 1985. Does anyone have info on this? Ask for the VIN number. That will settle it. There were 201.122s sold in Europe in 1986, but NO 201.122s were imported to the US after 1985. All of the US 201.122 used 601.921 2.2 liter engines. All of the European 201.122s used the 2 liter 601.91x engine with the same hp rating and slightly less torque. I have an 85 201.122 with the 2 liter 601.91 engines. NICE economical car (40-44 mpg highway). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[MBZ] 1987 300TD
Are these things hard to find, or am I looking in all the wrong places? Wife is gettting tired of feeding the gas hog Sienna and has been ASKING for a diesel wagon with 3rd seat (!!). Better not let this opportunity pass up. Any really important reasons to get a W123 over the '87 version? This is my wife and the more modern for her, the better. THink the mileage would be better too, no? Any particular problems with the 87 300TD? Thanks Christopher Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 100K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] Cayenne..who knew anyone would buy one?
Gabriel S. wrote: im not a thief, i just mind my own business and don't stick my nose where it dosen't belong. Let's recap: I mentioned somebody confessing to an attempted crime in a public forum. I also mentioned that if I had known how to report the crime I would have. You used gross profanity which I won't report here to describe me. You may choose to neglect your civic duty to report any crime that comes to your attention, that unfortunately puts you in with the majority of Americans. If you castigate me in that language for stating that I would do my duty, you are among the lowest of scum. To have you reafirm your opinion today seals the deal. Let me finish by saying that if you had denounced me to my face in the manner in which you did on this forum, some of your teeth would have been missing two seconds later. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] 1987 300TD
Christopher McCann wrote: Any really important reasons to get a W123 over the '87 version? 123 are easier to find. THink the mileage would be better too, no? 124 should get better mpg than 123. More power too. Any particular problems with the 87 300TD? Plugged trap oxidizer, cracked head, rear suspension issues. Most common SLS problem seems to be dead accumulators, which are roughly as expensive as shocks on a sedan. If the car still has a trap on it, I believe the fix is a catalytic converter and exhaust system at MBZ expense. (or was it the 126 that gets a whole new exhaust?) I suspect that if MBZ has already put a cat on the car, the next cat will cost you 4 digits, but I'm guessing. I'm sure you could have a cat delete pipe made for less than a cat from mbz.
Re: [MBZ] 1987 300TD
Quite nearly the most perfect vehicle ever made--I'm not alone with that assessment. There really is no direct comparison between an S123 and S124, both are great cars, but they're vastly different animals. Weak points for the S124 are the head (prone to cracking), climate control system (parts are expensive) and all the usual MB weaknesses. I've never experienced any problems with the rear self-levelling system, but that stuff is expensive as well. I purchased my TD back in '03 w/165k, and since then most of the work I've done has been elective, i.e. tweeks, adjustments and replacements cuz I wanted to, but not required to operate the vehicle from point A to point B reliably. My mileage has ranged between 26 and 33 mpg, which is significantly better than can be achieved by an S123. Good luck, it's a dwindling pool out there! On 9/16/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are these things hard to find, or am I looking in all the wrong places? Wife is gettting tired of feeding the gas hog Sienna and has been ASKING for a diesel wagon with 3rd seat (!!). Better not let this opportunity pass up. Any really important reasons to get a W123 over the '87 version? This is my wife and the more modern for her, the better. THink the mileage would be better too, no? Any particular problems with the 87 300TD? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: '87 300TD intercooler (209k) '84 300D (204k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (185K)
