Re: [MBZ] 1981 300CD glow plug system

[Jim Cathey]

aren't working.  However, the glow plug light does come on and it goes 
out

within 5 sec or so.  Is it possible for the GP light to go on when the
system isn't working?  It has the newer style parallel plugs in it.


Not in theory, but if _all_ the plugs are dead maybe.  You need
to get out the meter and start doing some basic checks.  The GP
relays themselves can fail, too.  How's its fuse?

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] '91 300D purchase inspection

[Sunil Hari]

give him $500 and part it out.

On 5/13/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Just arrived home from the inspection.  Car is a dog (bet a 240D would
beat it off the line) and won't get out of it's own way.  It billows smoke
under acceleration (blue-grey smoke) and smokes at ilde.  Also, when it
first started up, it sounded worse than my 617's do and had what sounds
like an injector nailing.  The last work done before this started up was
R&R of the glow plugs at the local MB dealer.
The accel is funky, when it finally get's enough rpms to go (say 3000+)
and you start coasting or let completely off the accel, it will continue
to accelerate until you push the brake.  What gives with this?
Transmission shifts great between 1 and 2 but won't go higher than 2.  I
had it to 4500 rpm before I gave up and pulled over to turn around.
Shortly after I pulled over, the county sherriff stopped behind me asking
what was going on.  He gave me a "stopeed you and didn't issue a citation
or ticket" deal and politely stopped traffic and escorted me back to the
owner's house.
Interior/exterior are very clean and don't show the mileage of 235kmi.
Paint is black with bottom grey trim and is glossy and has very few minor
scratches that would buff/wax up very nicely.  Everything in the interior
(palomino leather) works except the passenger headrest.  Sunroof slides
and pops up very smoothly, all windows work, all switches work, gauges
work normally, trunk is clean.
Overall the car is very clean and sharp looking.  Any ideas what might be
up with the engine and trans?  What might this be worth in this
condition?  TIA all,

Luther

On Sat, 13 May 2006 01:18:30 -0500, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> hense the PPI.
>
> On Sat, 13 May 2006 00:35:36 -0500, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> if the asking price is that low, you have to wonder what they know and
>> what
>> you don't.
>>
>> On 5/13/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> if you only knew the asking price..
>>>
>>> On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:31:56 -0500, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > just to warn you, that offer might be way way low, depending on
>>> > condition.
>>> > they're going on ebay for $7-9K
>
>
>



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Re: [MBZ] OK, WTF? The pepto is back

[Richard Smith]

So 174 dollars buys it. What a deal! What did I just buy?

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50 and your 124?

Richard Smith wrote:

> Sounds like it a total trash out. I will give you 50 bucks for it.
>
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Re: [MBZ] wow '85 SD

[Rich Thomas]

I brought my Dad's 96 pickup home last fall, it had 11k miles on it when 
I left his place.  He bought, drove it a year or so, had a stroke, and 
then it sat in the garage pretty much since then, though he get fluid 
changes and such every now and then.  And new batteries.  It is 
basically a brand-new 10 yr old truck, still smells like new.  Only 
issue is the A/C loses charge every few months, I guess some of the 
seals got dried out while it sat.


I see cars like this advertised in estate sales occasionally, was an 86 
Olds of some sort at a car auction a couple years back that had a few 
thousand miles on it, belonged to an old lady whose hubby died back then 
so the car sat in the garage, though she did keep it clean and 
serviced.  Looked brand new.  Went for less than $2k as it was not a 
particularly desirable car, would have been great for a kid or a second 
ride.


--R

Marshall Booth wrote:


Zoltan Finks wrote:
 


It looks like this guy restores vehicles. There is a section of his ebay
page that shows several other vehicles for sale. All of them that I looked
at are also immaculate. And the old Caddie is admittedly restored (and he's
asking some $50k).

I would say that even if the SD in question truly did have such low miles,
it has been - if not restored - at least detailed extensively. The condition
of the various parts indicate that they have been either meticulously
maintained, or replaced/refurbished.

If it has not been restored, Lynn's question is begged: Where did he get it.
I'll add: How? Why would someone maintain a vehicle such, then let it go?
Death?
   




There are LOTS of vehicles like that available in estate sales!

Marshall
 

[MBZ] vin check please

[Luther Gulseth]

WDBEB28D3MB523105
'91 300D
Thanks!

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'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] Shamless plug for Club 123D spring "rally"

[Rich Thomas]

It's spring somewhere?  I forget that, it's like 85F here today in 
lovely Houston Texas -- a bit cooler than last week.


--R

Re: [MBZ] '91 300D purchase inspection

[Luther Gulseth]

Just arrived home from the inspection.  Car is a dog (bet a 240D would  
beat it off the line) and won't get out of it's own way.  It billows smoke  
under acceleration (blue-grey smoke) and smokes at ilde.  Also, when it  
first started up, it sounded worse than my 617's do and had what sounds  
like an injector nailing.  The last work done before this started up was  
R&R of the glow plugs at the local MB dealer.
The accel is funky, when it finally get's enough rpms to go (say 3000+)  
and you start coasting or let completely off the accel, it will continue  
to accelerate until you push the brake.  What gives with this?
Transmission shifts great between 1 and 2 but won't go higher than 2.  I  
had it to 4500 rpm before I gave up and pulled over to turn around.   
Shortly after I pulled over, the county sherriff stopped behind me asking  
what was going on.  He gave me a "stopeed you and didn't issue a citation  
or ticket" deal and politely stopped traffic and escorted me back to the  
owner's house.
Interior/exterior are very clean and don't show the mileage of 235kmi.   
Paint is black with bottom grey trim and is glossy and has very few minor  
scratches that would buff/wax up very nicely.  Everything in the interior  
(palomino leather) works except the passenger headrest.  Sunroof slides  
and pops up very smoothly, all windows work, all switches work, gauges  
work normally, trunk is clean.
Overall the car is very clean and sharp looking.  Any ideas what might be  
up with the engine and trans?  What might this be worth in this  
condition?  TIA all,


Luther

On Sat, 13 May 2006 01:18:30 -0500, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



hense the PPI.

On Sat, 13 May 2006 00:35:36 -0500, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



if the asking price is that low, you have to wonder what they know and
what
you don't.

On 5/13/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


if you only knew the asking price..

On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:31:56 -0500, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> just to warn you, that offer might be way way low, depending on
> condition.
> they're going on ebay for $7-9K








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'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] 1981 300CD glow plug system

[Dillon, Meade LCDR]

Kevin,

Sounds to me like a typical 'optimistic' glow plug timer circuit.  Wait
another count of ten after the light goes out, and then try cranking.
Yes, it is possible for the light to go one when there are problems.
The self diagnostic circuit compares current to plug #1 to the rest, and
sometimes if only one plug is out it won't be detected.

What other symptoms?

Very respectfully,
/s/
Meade Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD 287k miles
'85 190D 2.2 5 spd 106k miles
'85 300TD Euro 5spd 327k miles *sold* 

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Subject: [MBZ] 1981 300CD glow plug system


Hello listers!

I'm still tinkering with this 1981 300CD, and it appears that the glow
plugs 
aren't working.  However, the glow plug light does come on and it goes
out 
within 5 sec or so.  Is it possible for the GP light to go on when the 
system isn't working?  It has the newer style parallel plugs in it.

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela 


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Re: [MBZ] wow '85 SD

[ms . 300SD]

Then WOW.  That is big news to me!
Lynn




>
> If it has not been restored, Lynn's question is begged: Where did he get
it.
> I'll add: How? Why would someone maintain a vehicle such, then let it
go?
> Death?


There are LOTS of vehicles like that available in estate sales!

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] wow '85 SD

[Marshall Booth]

Zoltan Finks wrote:

It looks like this guy restores vehicles. There is a section of his ebay
page that shows several other vehicles for sale. All of them that I looked
at are also immaculate. And the old Caddie is admittedly restored (and he's
asking some $50k).

I would say that even if the SD in question truly did have such low miles,
it has been - if not restored - at least detailed extensively. The condition
of the various parts indicate that they have been either meticulously
maintained, or replaced/refurbished.

If it has not been restored, Lynn's question is begged: Where did he get it.
I'll add: How? Why would someone maintain a vehicle such, then let it go?
Death?



There are LOTS of vehicles like that available in estate sales!

Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] 124 Glow Plug Difficutly

[Marshall Booth]

ned kleinhenz wrote:

When I recently removed the intake manifold off my '95 E300D (124 with a 606
engine) , I changed the glow plugs.
The front 3 plugs required hours of coaxing finessing and arm strength to
get them out.  And the new ones went in with similar difficulty.
The new ones wrenched to specified torque with lots of thread still showing.
The back 3 plugs came out with ease. And the new ones threaded all the way
in by hand, then tightened normally with the torque wrench.

Seems like I've read about the injector ports filling with carbon and
causing these kinds of problem...  Is my memory correct?  What is the
correct way to fix this problem?



DO NOT run the engine without cleaning (reaming) out the carbon and 
insuring that the replacement plugs go in easily and fully seat (just 
achieving proper torque is NOT sufficient) Failure to clean out 
carbon and not insuring that the plugs fully seat is what causes MOST of 
the glow plug problems that cost $3000+ to repair!!


You can't just run a drill bit in. That can easily damage the 
prechamber/ballpin.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 1981 300CD glow plug system

[V Layton]

Not usually.  5 seconds seems long for a system on the fritz.  Usually the 
light is the first sign.  Why don't you think they work?  Did you test them 
for resistance?  Are they under 1 ohm?  (the max you would want, about .6 
new)




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Subject: [MBZ] 1981 300CD glow plug system
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 08:38:14 -0700

Hello listers!

I'm still tinkering with this 1981 300CD, and it appears that the glow 
plugs

aren't working.  However, the glow plug light does come on and it goes out
within 5 sec or so.  Is it possible for the GP light to go on when the
system isn't working?  It has the newer style parallel plugs in it.

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela


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Re: [MBZ] Shamless plug for Club 123D spring "rally"

[V Layton]

Thanks for your comments.

The issues are a little seperate, however.

The fact only a maybe a dozen or so come to these events as they are 
restricted to the one model, is indeed currently quaint charm.  That's fine. 
 If it grows into the national W123 attraction of my dreams, it'll be fun 
to watch it gain acceptance over the coming decades.


I really don't mean to come off complaining about the return rate, but 
understand those are of only W123 owners who specifically requested the 
memebership info.   Based on the positive correspondance, I thought it might 
be closer to 25%.  Consideration is of course given that it is a 
free-per-simple-request promotion giveaway and not everyone will respond 
further.  The feed back recieved has been very positive, if limited.  
Perhaps the literature is not extensive enough or too intense for folks 
based on their taste, I usually don't hear that, perhaps out of courtesy 
which I can respect, but a little criticism is good.  Often I have it worked 
out and can explain why I do something a certain way.  Regardless I will 
continue to build and enhance the membership however I am able to make it 
more attractive.  One should WANT to join a club, or better yet, "not miss 
out on it"It's a recreational back burner issue I understand.  Some join 
years later, it'll be fine.


The point of my Club is supreme enhancement of the model for the benefit of 
the owner.  There is no way I would want to compete against the other 
solidly founded MB club instituions.  I participate in some of those too.  
My tiny sect is merely a special haven for my obsession.  The extreme focus 
gives me pleasure and I believe will allow me to encompass the car 
completely.  With all the details I want to know about one type of car, 
learning much about other cars cannot be afforded.




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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shamless plug for Club 123D spring "rally"
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:36:10 -0500

Your reply level is low because you restrict events/membership to 123 cars.
Many enthusiasts, who have owned 123 cars in the past but have moved on to
newer cars, and still have a passion and knowledge for the 123, are
excluded.

Most clubs and organizations of this type try to get as many participants 
as

possible INCLUDED which is the opposite of your policy of EXCLUDING.

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Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 9:11 AM

Hello folks


  The last membership promotion I mentioned was rather anti-climatic, 
about

5% return.  I did get some requests from members of this list though, so
thank you very much all who asked for info.


Vince
Club 123D President
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Re: [MBZ] emissions test

[Curt Raymond]

Are you the Les in Boston? Take a weekend vacation to Atlantic City or 
something, put in a can of injector cleaner (seafoam is my favorite additive 
right now) each way and run the daylights out of it. Good tuneup with high 
quality wires etc.
  If they're doing the roller test make sure your tires are the right size. I 
had odd sized tires (too small actually) on my Dakota one year and the guy had 
a heck of a time, it apparently "just barely passed". The next test (once every 
2 years in MA) it had bigger tires and passed fine.
  Ahh the life of the diesel. Entertainingly theres no diesel emissions test 
here for cars but I have to take it to a place that COULD do a test for a 
diesel. Diesel trucks apparently have to be "snap" tested. I'm told that 
entails flooring it and letting off the pedal, if it belches a horrible cloud 
of black smoke it fails. In the words of the tester "if I can still read the 
Dodge (or Chevy or Ford or whatever) on the back of the truck they pass... Wow.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:33:13 -0400
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Inspection time is here again. Last year, the inspection station failed
my 300SE on the emissions test. I tried driving it out before returning
for a retest and it failed again. How did another station pass it? 
Don't
ask. How can I prepare for the emissions test this year? What are the
possible causes? Can an oxy sensor cause an emissions failure? Is it
necessarily the cat? What are the other possible problems?

Thanks,

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Hello listers!

I'm still tinkering with this 1981 300CD, and it appears that the glow plugs 
aren't working.  However, the glow plug light does come on and it goes out 
within 5 sec or so.  Is it possible for the GP light to go on when the 
system isn't working?  It has the newer style parallel plugs in it.

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela 

Re: [MBZ] Shamless plug for Club 123D spring "rally"

[George Gregory]

Your reply level is low because you restrict events/membership to 123 cars.
Many enthusiasts, who have owned 123 cars in the past but have moved on to
newer cars, and still have a passion and knowledge for the 123, are
excluded.

Most clubs and organizations of this type try to get as many participants as
possible INCLUDED which is the opposite of your policy of EXCLUDING. 
 
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Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 9:11 AM

Hello folks


  The last membership promotion I mentioned was rather anti-climatic, about 
5% return.  I did get some requests from members of this list though, so 
thank you very much all who asked for info.


Vince
Club 123D President
http://www.club123d.org

[MBZ] Shamless plug for Club 123D spring "rally"

[V Layton]

Hello folks

I thought I'd mention (in case you hadn't heard) that Club 123D's 3rd annual 
Spring driving event is coming up Sunday May 21st.   I'm sorry for the short 
notice, but thought some of you might like to know. Spring has sprung here 
and I'm pretty much booked for repairs until the last week in May.  I spend 
my "evening recreation" updating the website and corresponding.  Club 
membership registries are up to 59 nationwide, which is pretty good I think. 
 The last membership promotion I mentioned was rather anti-climatic, about 
5% return.  I did get some requests from members of this list though, so 
thank you very much all who asked for info.


BACK TO THE EVENT

It's a rather mellow, 120 mile non-racing event that isn't any real special 
challenge, just a formal excuse to drive your W123 with other W123 folks. 
There are competative scoring factors.  It is all within a 100-mile radius 
of St. Louis and only about 10 hours long, from the provided continental 
breakfast to the paticipant-funded dinner (under $20-$25 per entree)   So 
far 10 are registered, ALL w123s of course.  The 3rd time for this young 
autoclub tradition, I'm pleased it continues and grows.  You do not have to 
be Club 123D member to participate. (But you might as well be)  If Sunday is 
a problem, next year it will be Saturday.  (I have been tring to alternate 
them)


See the Events at www.club123d.org for information and photos of the past 
two events as well as plenty of information on the details of this year's 
event.


So W123 owners, there is a formally coordinated W123 drving activity in St. 
Louis (or two) and you are invited!


You can also e-mail me personally if you have any questions.

Thank you very much for reading

Vince
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Secret Energy

[Peter Frederick]

Running waste veggie oil without extensive cleanup will result in 
horrible "resinification" (varnish) all over everything.  You must 
remove the protein, and preferably the phospholipids before use.


Also, veggie oil, untreated, is too viscous cold to get sucked up into 
the IP, so the engine will stop.  Likely the filters will plug almost 
instantly, too, unless the oil is pre-treated.


Biodiesel is fine -- but it won't be $.46 a gallon, either.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] Straight Outta Compton

[Mike Canfield]

UGHH!!!  It looks like a Chrysler K-car with those wheels and that 
color.


Mike
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From: "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Subject: [MBZ] Straight Outta Compton



Yo Dawg,
Dis Benz ST be fo you, yo.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Beautiful-Must-See-300-ST-Turbo-Diesel_W0QQitemZ4639699243QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Whatta waste..
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT
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Re: [MBZ] wow '85 SD

[Zoltan Finks]

It looks like this guy restores vehicles. There is a section of his ebay
page that shows several other vehicles for sale. All of them that I looked
at are also immaculate. And the old Caddie is admittedly restored (and he's
asking some $50k).

I would say that even if the SD in question truly did have such low miles,
it has been - if not restored - at least detailed extensively. The condition
of the various parts indicate that they have been either meticulously
maintained, or replaced/refurbished.

If it has not been restored, Lynn's question is begged: Where did he get it.
I'll add: How? Why would someone maintain a vehicle such, then let it go?
Death?

Brian
83 240D


On 5/13/06, ms. 300SD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Drooo..
I wonder where they found it...

Lynn
"Victoria"
'85 300SD
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Secret Energy

[Luther Gulseth]

Here is DSE as explained by Graydon Blair of Utay Biodiesel Supply  
www.utahbiodieselsupply.com  This is copied directly from the Yahoo  
BiodieselBasics files.  I doubt you can find a better explination anywhere  
online of DSE.


Respectfully submitted,
--
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work


Diesel Secret--a broader explanation
- By Graydon Blair, utah Biodiesel Supply

If "inquiring minds" would really like to know, girl mark put together an  
EXCELLENT thread on this, which I link to in my thread.


Here's a few links for the inquiring minds...
Link To My Threads On Diesel Secret http://tinyurl.com/9nkp9
- I linked to several threads all about Diesel Secret (a.k.a. DSE)
- Hit the first one & read...it's a great thread by girl mark

If you're after more, keep reading the other threads I have linked.

And now for some "first hand experience" on it
I had a customer stop by one day that was interested in biodiesel that had  
purchased and was using DSE in his truck. He told me the process he went  
through to use the stuff (it was mind-boggling). Filter, filter, filter,  
add kerosene, add gasoline, filter some more, add the "secret wonder  
juice", stir, stir, stir, add to fuel tank & drive away.


He reported that after using it his truck was a lot louder on initial  
startup than before-- He was running an '03 Ford Powerstroke (just  
guessing here, but I'm betting the gasoline in the mixture ain't too good  
on fuel injectors and the fuel injection pump-- reduce the lubrication  
over time and it's GONNA get louder).


He also reported having plugged filters and gelling problems.
He was very interested in biodiesel and after walking him through what it'd
take to make it, he seemed to think making biodiesel would be a better use  
of resources than using the DSE method.


He also left me with a sample of his "DSE based fuel" that I still have  
hangin' out in the garageit smells something NASTY!!! (see my link  
from above and scroll down for pictures of it).


Something interesting is happening to that sample too.while it's been  
sitting in my garage, I've noticed some separation going on in the  
mixture. In the bottom of the sample I'm seeing some gelling occuring (but  
I thought DSE wasn't SUPPOSED to gel-- hmmm...guess their claims aren't  
holding a lot of water here).


I took the sample inside and heated it up w/ a heat gun (stunk something  
nasty) and, wouldn't you know it, the gelling went away!


You can see these pictures in the thread I linked above.

Now, I'm not claiming that biodiesel is the wonder fuel of the earth, it  
also has gelling issues, but what I am claiming is that biodieseler's are  
at least up front about the issues.

1) It can gel
2) you should use it accordingly.
-- In the winter, most folks just blend it w/ diesel fuel

What I am claiming also though is that DSE seems to make some claims that  
aren't entirely accurate:
1- Their stuff GELS too! (they claim not to have any gelling issues down  
to 30 deg F--my garage is warmer than that and I'm seeing the gelling)
2- It really is just zylene and a bunch of other solvents that they're  
jacking the price up on & selling you in this bottle.


A good friend of mine, in the name of research, bought the stuff &  
together we looked at the literature and also the product that came w/ it.


You get this little manual about how to make their "Diesel Secret" using  
their "magic super duper potion" (Pahh--leeeaaassee!) and then you are  
told to go get some Kerosene, Gasoline and some filtering stuff.


Some of the issues I have with it is that their method:
1- Doesn't adequately deal w/ the glycerin still in the oil and
2- Seems to be just an overpriced method for "blending".

Running "blended diesel fuel" with "veggie oil" should still be done using  
heated tanks or else you risk gelling and then there's still the glycerin  
coking issue.


They now even sell you on using their "super duper catalyst potion" that  
optimizes the burning of the fuel.


OK, now for the good stuff.

If you REALLY want to do DSE, save the bucks & go down to your local  
Wal-Mart and buy a bottle of THORO. Go get some Kerosene, some Gasoline,  
and a big garbage can to mix it all in.


Filter the heck out of your oil, then pour some of it into the garbage can.
Next, pour a couple bottles of THORO in there with it (THORO is acetone,  
which is similar to what the DSE Secret Wonder Juice is...just a solvent),  
pour in some Kerosene, mix in some Gasoline and whoala! You've made your  
own super duper DSE Wonder Fuel (and at half their price).


Anyway, if you want to read the nitty-gritty about what's really in it,  
just go read the links I have posted in the thread linked above


Also, a while ago we had quite the discussion here about adding Acetone to  
diesel fuel (essentially the same in principle of what Diesel Secret is  
doing...do a search for

Re: [MBZ] '91 300D purchase inspection

[Luther Gulseth]

hense the PPI.

On Sat, 13 May 2006 00:35:36 -0500, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

if the asking price is that low, you have to wonder what they know and  
what

you don't.

On 5/13/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


if you only knew the asking price..

On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:31:56 -0500, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> just to warn you, that offer might be way way low, depending on
> condition.
> they're going on ebay for $7-9K




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'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Secret Energy

[Luther Gulseth]

biodiesel and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I can pull the archives tomorrow if you want.  The quick basics, you mix  
gasoline, WVO, and their "secret addative" which is mostly acetone, all in  
a garbage can.  This is very unsafe.



On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:55:44 -0500, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:26:17 -0500 "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


> http://www.dieselsecret.co

RUN AWAY RUN AWAY RUN AWAY!!!
very dangerous for you, for your engine, AND For the environment!!!
S N A K E  O I L!


You have a rather firm opinion of the stuff -- how did you find out?


Craig





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'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] '91 300D purchase inspection

[Sunil Hari]

if the asking price is that low, you have to wonder what they know and what
you don't.

On 5/13/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


if you only knew the asking price..

On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:31:56 -0500, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> just to warn you, that offer might be way way low, depending on
> condition.
> they're going on ebay for $7-9K
>
> On 5/12/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Offer?  Depends on the smoke...how heavy it is, if it quits when it
>> warms
>> up or if it smokes all the time.  Also, depends on if I feel the
>> condition
>> of the interior and features is good.  I'm thinking $1000-1500, less if
>> I
>> think a blown headgasket is causing the smoke.
>>



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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

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Re: [MBZ] 124 Glow Plug Difficutly

[John Berryman]

On May 12, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


That is what the glow plug reamer is for.  Many people have made
do with handheld drill bits, etc. and compressed air.

-- Jim


	There is also the possibility that the aluminum threads are buggered  
or filled with carbon too. Running the proper size tap through all  
the holes should set things right. Aluminum also galls very easily,  
you probably didn't help matters too much by trying to force the new  
GPs in. They should thread most of the way in with little resistance,  
such that you should be able to do it with your fingers.
	Whatever you decide to do, spin the engine over quite a few times  
with the GPs out, so it can spit out anything that breaks loose and  
falls in.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Secret Energy

[Zoltan Finks]

It sounds like it will allow you to run Waste Vegetable Oil without worrying
about heating it and purging it from the system before shutting off.

I was going to ask opinions from the list about this. I see that someone has
already given one. I'd be interested to learn more.

Brian
83 240D


On 5/12/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:26:17 -0500 "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> > http://www.dieselsecret.co
>
> RUN AWAY RUN AWAY RUN AWAY!!!
> very dangerous for you, for your engine, AND For the environment!!!
> S N A K E  O I L!

You have a rather firm opinion of the stuff -- how did you find out?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] wow '85 SD

[ms . 300SD]

Drooo..
I wonder where they found it...

Lynn
"Victoria"
'85 300SD

Re: [MBZ] Straight Outta Compton

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 12 May 2006 23:05:49 -0500 "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Yo Dawg, 
> Dis Benz ST be fo you, yo. 
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Beautiful-Must-See-300-ST-Turbo-Diesel_W0QQitemZ4639699243QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> Whatta waste.


Should have been part of the Volkswagen "Unpimp my ride" campaign.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

[John Berryman]

On May 12, 2006, at 12:43 PM, BillR wrote:

I will apologize in advance for being even more off topic than  
usual, but I
know of no other knowledge base broad enough to probably have an  
answer for
me.  I have had my constant companion IPAQ 5455 drop out of my  
pocket a few
times and now the screen alignment is so far off it is not  
correctable,
making the machine unable to do many of the more interesting things  
I used
to do on it.  It is sitting unused on my desk.  Still connects to  
the PC and
downloads fine.  It does most of what it should but needs help.   
Does anyone
do repairs on such things or know of a reliable source of repairs?   
I've not
tried breaking into the thing as my electronics repair abilities  
seemed to
max out prior to chips and printed circuits.  Fun to take things  
apart but
if it is not a loose wire I'm out of luck.  Not too many tubes in  
this one.

TIA.
BillR


	Send it to the manufacturer with a note similar to what you posted  
here. In many cases they replace major components and when necessary,  
the entire device. I've known some manufacturers (hp for one) to have  
a set and rather low repair fee and they ship you a refurbished unit  
regardless of whatever is wrong with yours.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

[MBZ] Anybody Need A Money Pit Or Two?

[Rick Knoble]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1992-Mercedes-600-SEL-Black-Gray-PROJECT-CAR_W0QQitemZ4637623448QQcategoryZ6333QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1993-300SD-DIESEL-RIGHT-MILES-CD-SUNROOF-CHEAP_W0QQitemZ18024499QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

No affiliation, ect. 
Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT
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Yo Dawg, 
Dis Benz ST be fo you, yo. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Beautiful-Must-See-300-ST-Turbo-Diesel_W0QQitemZ4639699243QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Whatta waste..
Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT
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if you only knew the asking price..

On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:31:56 -0500, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> just to warn you, that offer might be way way low, depending on
> condition.
> they're going on ebay for $7-9K
>
> On 5/12/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Offer?  Depends on the smoke...how heavy it is, if it quits when it
>> warms
>> up or if it smokes all the time.  Also, depends on if I feel the
>> condition
>> of the interior and features is good.  I'm thinking $1000-1500, less if
>> I
>> think a blown headgasket is causing the smoke.
>>



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'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Secret Energy

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:26:17 -0500 "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> > http://www.dieselsecret.co
>
> RUN AWAY RUN AWAY RUN AWAY!!!
> very dangerous for you, for your engine, AND For the environment!!!
> S N A K E  O I L!

You have a rather firm opinion of the stuff -- how did you find out?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] '91 300D purchase inspection

[Sunil Hari]

just to warn you, that offer might be way way low, depending on condition.
they're going on ebay for $7-9K

On 5/12/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Offer?  Depends on the smoke...how heavy it is, if it quits when it warms
up or if it smokes all the time.  Also, depends on if I feel the condition
of the interior and features is good.  I'm thinking $1000-1500, less if I
think a blown headgasket is causing the smoke.

On Fri, 12 May 2006 17:02:43 -0500, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> make sure the A/C works, and that the sunroof tilts and slides properly.
> Look for transmission flare, and possibly filmy oil (if the head is
> cracked
> and leaking coolant into the oil).  Look at the head markings for the
> version number (#14 = bad, >17 = good) and ask if it's ever overheated.
>
> If it handles like a good 123 car, it needs major suspension work.
>
> Also, how much are you planning to offer?
>
>
>
>



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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Secret Energy

[Luther Gulseth]

RUN AWAY RUN AWAY RUN AWAY!!!
very dangerous for you, for your engine, AND For the environment!!!
S N A K E  O I L!

On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:21:06 -0500, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



"DSE has developed a revolutionary method for producing an inexpensive,
high performance fuel that can power ANY DIESEL ENGINE and the cost to  
you

is only 46¢ per gallon!

"You have NOT heard of this before. This is an entirely new way in  
America

to make your own fuel from vegetable oil that takes only minutes "

http://www.dieselsecret.com/



Craig




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'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

[MBZ] Diesel Secret Energy

[Craig McCluskey]

"DSE has developed a revolutionary method for producing an inexpensive,
high performance fuel that can power ANY DIESEL ENGINE and the cost to you
is only 46¢ per gallon!

"You have NOT heard of this before. This is an entirely new way in America
to make your own fuel from vegetable oil that takes only minutes "

http://www.dieselsecret.com/



Craig

Re: [MBZ] '91 300D purchase inspection

[Luther Gulseth]

Offer?  Depends on the smoke...how heavy it is, if it quits when it warms  
up or if it smokes all the time.  Also, depends on if I feel the condition  
of the interior and features is good.  I'm thinking $1000-1500, less if I  
think a blown headgasket is causing the smoke.


On Fri, 12 May 2006 17:02:43 -0500, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


make sure the A/C works, and that the sunroof tilts and slides properly.
Look for transmission flare, and possibly filmy oil (if the head is  
cracked

and leaking coolant into the oil).  Look at the head markings for the
version number (#14 = bad, >17 = good) and ask if it's ever overheated.

If it handles like a good 123 car, it needs major suspension work.

Also, how much are you planning to offer?








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'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] W140

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I had a 140 for several years a while back.

Dillon, Meade LCDR wrote:


Wow, I sure missed a lot!  Kaleb has bought, driven, and either
sold/lost/destroyed a 140.  Next a v12?

Very respectfully,
/s/
Meade Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD 287k miles
'85 190D 2.2 5 spd 106k miles
'85 300TD Euro 5spd 327k miles *sold* 


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Not taking into account the more electronic issues, the 140 is WAY more 
car than the 126.  I love my 126's but I sure miss my old 140.  They are


really one hell of a nice car.  Mine had the evaporator problem but that

was it.

Loren Faeth wrote:

The 126 is way more car than the 140 could ever hope to be.  That is 
why I

keep the 87 SDL.  It is a really nice one.  I only drive it a little


each 


summer.  But if I ever wear out my 86, I have the 87 ready to go.  the


126 


was the last of the hand fitted Mercedes.  And the Long model is that


much 


nicer.






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Re: [MBZ] Waterpump change on M103

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, it seems to work pretty well.

Curt Raymond wrote:


I'm pretty well sold on AutoFrost.
  Once we get our housebuying out of the way I'm going to recharge my 190D with 
AutoFrost. Seems like a good excuse to learn how it all works.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:25:51 -0500

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*SNIP*

  Turned on 
the AC, and nothing cold.  next project.  I think it is still R-12.  
So 
i need to find a source for freeze 12 or similar concoction.

*SNIP*


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Re: [MBZ] Mounting rear bumper rubber: 123 vs. 108/109/111

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

not sure

andrew strasfogel wrote:


Kaleb,

Will that trick work on a W111 or W108/109 bumper strip?





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Re: [MBZ] OK, WTF? The pepto is back

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

50 and your 124?

Richard Smith wrote:


Sounds like it a total trash out. I will give you 50 bucks for it.

On 5/12/06, John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On May 12, 2006, at 9:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:



good idea dude.


  A direct result of using one's head for more than a hat rack.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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Re: [MBZ] Archives?? Brake Fluid DOT 3 or 4 ??

[OK Don]

IIRC, the 115 300D manual calls for DOT 4. I always gravity bleed mine
(had three of them) - no muss, no fuss --

On 5/12/06, Dillon, Meade LCDR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'd recommend a dot 4 fluid; Valvoline makes a nice synthetic brake
fluid.

I gravity bleed vice pump/close valve/release pedal/open valve & repeat,
because if the brake fluid hasn't been changed regularly, there probably
is corrosion and crap in the master cylinder, and when you go full
stroke the seals run over that garbage and get torn up, and then you
need a new MC.  Faster to pressure bleed if you want to spring for the
tool or make your own.

Very respectfully,
/s/
Meade Dillon



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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 5/12/2006 2:33:53 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Inspection time is here again. Last year, the inspection station  failed
my 300SE on the emissions test. I tried driving it out before  returning
for a retest and it failed again. How did another station pass  it? Don't
ask. How can I prepare for the emissions test this year? What are  the
possible causes? Can an oxy sensor cause an emissions failure? Is  it
necessarily the cat? What are the other possible  problems?



Les,
 
Why don't you pull out your old inspection sheet and list the categories,  
the ones you failed, the allowable limits and what your car scored?  Also,  
they 
usually have a help counter at the testing stations and they can give you  
some more detail about why you failed.
 
I bet we can help.  leaking fuel pressure regulators are a leading  cause of 
over rich conditions that may fail your vehicle.  
 
Simple stuff like one time my breather hose fell off the intake piping and  
they failed me .
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 142 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] Windshield Washer Squirter

[Peter Frederick]

I've fixed a few of these by pulling the hose off the inside and 
spraying water from a garden hose at high velocity backwards.  Quite a 
bit of crud usually comes out!


Aim with an unfolded paper clip so that the whole wiper area is wetted 
when the wiper is operated.  This usually requires some sprays to aim 
fairly low, else they blow over the car at speed, wasting all that 
fluid and sprinkling the car behind you!


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Windshield Washer Squirter, has degenerated

[Hendrik Riessen]

Talking about borders, apparently the Dutch government has restricted the 
sale of drugs in cafes along the borders to locals only. So if you can't ask 
for weed in fluent Dutch you might just have to go without.

I did go to Holland a few years ago but can't remember being there.

Hendrik
who does condone the use of drugsyou believe me don't you

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Windshield Washer Squirter, has degenerated



Yes, there was a time when the Dutch had large numbers of young German
male "undocumented migrants" coming across their unsecured border to do
work that the Dutch did not want to do, but I don't think getting a
taste of their beer was a major factor in this migration though I am
sure that it was a minor factor.  Some of them did drive Benzes though,
but many walked.  The German government encouraged this practice for
awhile until persuaded otherwise by world opinion.  Now they all get
along pretty well, and the border is not really much of an issue, but
beer is still a point of contention among the cultural elite.

It will be 5 o'clock in 7 hours, I think I will have to go adjust my
squirters...

--R (whose thirst for cultural education continues unabated)

Peter T. Arnold wrote:


On Fri, 12 May 2006 10:51:43 -0400, you wrote:




Ohh, well it sounded German to me, but I'm not "culturally educated".  Oh
well.  Do the Dutch and Germans get along?




They have been known to disagree concerning Beer and Borders.


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Re: [MBZ] Windshield Washer Squirter

[Hendrik Riessen]

Just a word of warning when using pins/etc for aiming the nozzle, if the 
nozzle has become stuck with age it is possible to break off the pin in the 
nozzle. How do I know this? Well I am a heavy handed clutzso 
things tend to break when I am around.
Also make sure the water line is removed when cleaning nozzle so any yucky 
stuff can disapear back to where it came from.


Hendrik
all nozzles working, all pigs flying

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From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Windshield Washer Squirter



Get a bread twist tie and strip off the paper or plastic, curve about an
inch+half to about the radius of a quarter, and use this end to ream out
the squirter nozzle (the curve helps it slide in all the way).  You can
use a push-pin to aim the nozzle -- these things appear to be little
balls with holes in them that rotate around in the black plastic
housing.  Also clear out the hoses and such.  Leave this expensive tool
in your car and use it every week or two.

The blue wsw fluid seems to evaporate and leave crusty blue stuff in the
nozzles and hoses, clogging them up.  Use Mobil1 synthetic wsw fluid
mixed with German water (this comes in brown and green bottles, can be
found at many grocery stores in civilized locales).  Pour in the wsw
washer fluid and drink the German water while doing the procedure, and
you should be OK.

--R

Zoltan Finks wrote:


Have any of yous had to deal with a windshield squirter that won't squirt?
The driver side one squirts (but not very potently), but the passenger 
side

one does not squirt.

Wondering if I need to unplug the hose from the offending squirter and see
if it will flow at that point?

What else? How do these things go bad (the actual squirters - assuming
that's the problem).

Or could it be the motor that powers the deal?

Brian
83 240D
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Re: [MBZ] Windshield Washer Squirter

[Rich Thomas]

Actually it is located in the cooler downstairs, and no taxes or 
purchase price since I made it myself.  While not German (this one is a 
Sam Smith Pale Ale clone, I usually do a Dortmunder Lager) I think it 
will work.  Going to pour a big old frosty mug now.


Happy Friday y'all -- and don't forget Mama on Sunday, because she damn 
well ain't gonna forget, and if Mama ain't happy... 


Cheers!

--R

Zoltan Finks wrote:


I present you the award for best response: It's located in the cooler of
your liquor store. Taxes and purchase price apply.

Brian


On 5/12/06, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


Get a bread twist tie and strip off the paper or plastic, curve about an
inch+half to about the radius of a quarter, and use this end to ream out
the squirter nozzle (the curve helps it slide in all the way).  You can
use a push-pin to aim the nozzle -- these things appear to be little
balls with holes in them that rotate around in the black plastic
housing.  Also clear out the hoses and such.  Leave this expensive tool
in your car and use it every week or two.

The blue wsw fluid seems to evaporate and leave crusty blue stuff in the
nozzles and hoses, clogging them up.  Use Mobil1 synthetic wsw fluid
mixed with German water (this comes in brown and green bottles, can be
found at many grocery stores in civilized locales).  Pour in the wsw
washer fluid and drink the German water while doing the procedure, and
you should be OK.

--R

Zoltan Finks wrote:

   


Have any of yous had to deal with a windshield squirter that won't
 


squirt?
   


The driver side one squirts (but not very potently), but the passenger
 


side
   


one does not squirt.

Wondering if I need to unplug the hose from the offending squirter and
 


see
   


if it will flow at that point?

What else? How do these things go bad (the actual squirters - assuming
that's the problem).

Or could it be the motor that powers the deal?

Brian
83 240D
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