Re: [MBZ] MB coolant
On Jun 15, 2006, at 2:49 PM, George Larribeau wrote: Recently I serviced the radiator hoses on my 85 300SD. I ordered the MB coolant from rusty. I was a bit disappointed that the coolant is almost clear. A very pail yellow, I guess I am just use to having colored green coolant. The point here is what over the counter coolants are safe in the car? If I was on the road and something happened, there has to be something that is safe in it, right? George Larribeau Zerex G-05 for one. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
[MBZ] 126 alignement
I phoned Beissbarth ( the manufacturer of the spreader bar) and learned that their price is appx. $ 199 for the spreader bar. It has an MB number of 900 589 012700. This may be a rather simple item to make for a fraction of the cost. I am sure that the Beisbarth spreader has a built in torque device pre set at 90-110 NM. However, it might also be done with two short pieces of pipe with plates welded on the end. The middle can be fashioned with a 18 piece of all thread and two nuts. You will however need a torque wrench and a crows foot wrench to tighten the nut. Your thoughts on the subject.. Constantine
Re: [MBZ] MB coolant
George wrote:The Indie shop that works on wifes BMW is in love with Pentosin Blue. According to the Pentosin adverts, they're the OEM fluid for many European cars - I wonder if it's repackaged with the MB logo on the jug? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: George Larribeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB coolant MB won't endorse the stuff. Thus, I won't touch it. Is there a MB list of MB endorsed / spproved fluids besides stuff from MB? The Indie shop that works on wifes BMW is in love with Pentosin Blue. George Larribeau Dallas, Texas 1985 300SD 190K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 alignment
Is the spreader bar and locking/centering screw necessary on 123 front ends? If so, at which points on the wheels are the spreader bars placed? Thanks, Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 alignment The local alignment shop says it adds a extra amount of toe-in to compensate for the spreader bar being unavailable regards If they do that with a relatively new car or one that's been recently rebuilt, there will be too much toe and if they do it on a worn one there won't be enough. That's why Mercedes REQUIRES a spreader bar - so that it can be done correctly Seems like a REALLY poor excuse to justify not buying and using a ~$50 tool. How do they justify not using the locking/centering screw to hold the steering box/wheel in the SINGLE correct position? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 6/11/2006
Re: [MBZ] 300D oddness
Curt wrote:the oil level on the two sides of the dipstick on my 190D can be considerably different. Howdy -- My 240D 300D 2.5 does that also - both will read at the high end of the zone on one side and in the middle of the zone on the other side. I thought it was a MB quirk. True? I haven't seen other cars do this - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D oddness Dunno, the dipstick assuredly hits the oil at an angle but I wouldn't think it would be enough to cause this effect though... -Curt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm-I never thought of that-why do you think that is? Dwight Curt Raymond wrote: I've found that the oil level on the two sides of the dipstick on my 190D can be considerably different. If I go by the high side (which happens to be the side I usually see first) and its down toward the low end the low oil light will flip on and off. If I only pay attention to the lower side it never does. So I've learned to turn the dipstick around while I'm inspecting oil level. -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:56:18 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D oddness To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Sunil, The SAME thing happend to me last week on my 300D 2.5. Same result-oil level was at add mark but not down in the low range on the red thing at the bottom. I added a qt-manuala says that the amount between the two levels is 2 qts but I din't want to chance overfilling. Dwight __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LUCAS
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Sunil Hari wrote: it's funny - Lucas electrics have such a bad rap, but my 115 had lucas foglights that worked perfectly after 30+ years. Don't know if that's the exception or the norm. They didn't have any MOVING parts in conjunction with electricity. Lucas, Prince of Darkness. See, it's normal for all British components to leak. Cars leak oil, fuel, and coolant - it's only natural for British electrics to leak smoke. Yep, usually after burning whatever contacts were in them to carbon pre-90 jeeps had lucas relays in them... Thankfully they were the standard bosch design (the five .250 faston tab type) so you could resolve electrical issues with a few relays -j.
Re: [MBZ] MB coolant
MB coolant is a pale yellow like grease... MB wheel bearing grease is an almost neon green, like regular american antifreeze... Go figure :) -j.
[MBZ] LUCAS versus Bosch versus Magneti Marelli versus Moto Guzzi
Gerry wrote: Here's a slightly humorous submission from an automotive repair group I'm on. Lucas (British), Bosch (German), and Magneti Maranelli (Italian); make auto electric and other parts. Moto Guzzi makes motorcycles. Lucas, Prince of Darkness. See, it's normal for all British components to leak. Cars leak oil, fuel, and coolant - it's only natural for British electrics to leak smoke. The only thing I know of that is scarier than Lucas is Magneti Marelli. The only thing that saves my Moto Guzzi-s is that they have Bosch starters and charging systems. Apparently Bosch bought out merged with Magneti Marelli in 1999. I did not know this. Now to be fair Lucas is/was a big company and had/has products for aerospace that are made with extreme quality however it has been my personal experience that this is not true of their consumer automotive electrics. It is said that at the Moto Guzzi factory the workers come to work early and very meticulously, with great passion do all the mechanical assembly and paint most of the day's bikes. Then they break for a late lunch where lots of wine is consumed and all of the towns girls are placed at extreme risk. Then the boss goes through the town and rounds up all the workers and returns them to the factory. At this time all the bikes are wired and the unfortunate few are painted. I don't know this for a fact but all my Guzzi friends don't/won't dispute it.
Re: [MBZ] 140 ENGINEERING
Granted, I don't have much experience with newer Bosch digital automotive equipment, but I've been wrenching on European rigs for over 25 years now, and have been generally quite impressed with Bosch electrical equipment--enough so, that I bought a dishwasher and frontloading washing machine from them. The newest vehicle I've owned was a '96 Passat tdi, which had lots of Bosch electrical gizmos, yet none of them ever gave us any problems over the five years and 50k we put on the car (it did have the more reliable Pierburg MAF sensor). Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k) '84 300D (213k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] MB coolant
Marshall or somebody posted about another brand that just became mb approved, what was that one? Christopher McCann wrote: Xerex G-05. One gets it at NAPA in these parts (Western MO). It is the same color. Chris George Larribeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Recently I serviced the radiator hoses on my 85 300SD. I ordered the MB coolant from rusty. I was a bit disappointed that the coolant is almost clear. A very pail yellow, I guess I am just use to having colored green coolant. The point here is what over the counter coolants are safe in the car? If I was on the road and something happened, there has to be something that is safe in it, right? George Larribeau Dallas, Texas 1985 300SD 190K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 245K km, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 345K km, Wulf -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, One Banger Mercedes Diesel: Die Motorleistung wird mit dem Kilometerzähler gemessen. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 560SEL cuts off
Classic bad fuel pump relay symptoms. If the relay is hot, for sure it's bad. Could also be the pumps, so I would have the current draw checked -- bad pumps (pulling too many amps) will toast the relay, so the new one will die too. Peter
Re: [MBZ] MB coolant
LarryT wrote: George wrote:The Indie shop that works on wifes BMW is in love with Pentosin Blue. According to the Pentosin adverts, they're the OEM fluid for many European cars - I wonder if it's repackaged with the MB logo on the jug? IN EUROPE there are about a dozen makers of anti-freeze that meet Mercedes specs. All of the MB anti-freeze sold in the US is made by Valvoline - most is sold to Mercedes and the remainder is sold as Zerex G-05. The Peak Lifetime meets the Mercedes specs as well. NOTHING Prestone makes comes even close (despite their claim to the contrary - look for the Mercedes spec number on their data sheet - it isn't there)! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
[MBZ] W123 TD Rear Speakers
Anybody know offhand what the size of the rear speakers are in a W123 station wagon? I figured I'd find out before I tore into them to put in some new ones. Might even like to upgrade a bit. TIA Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K
Re: [MBZ] Neutral Safety Switch
Yes. Adjust switch to get alignment. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Component manufacturers
Just want to chime in here on this Engineering post. Bosch should really think before they write about failures. Damn near every Bosch 5.1 ABS system with the integrated electronics is a piece of crap. From 98 to 03 when Bosch integrated ASR with the ABS systems the circuit boards were so small and flimsy they fail on every AUDI and VW they put them on. Had my 02 Passat in 4 times to have it replaced. At $1600 a pop I'd trade that for a decent Lucas system any day My '01 C320's braking system (ABS/ESP/BAS) including the ABS pump, vacuum booster and rear calipers are all ATe. Only the front floating calipers are Lucas (with no mention of Girling). Rear calipers are fixed. All now with Pagid pads. No pad lube required now, BTW. That's ATe as in Alfred Teves. RLE
Re: [MBZ] Brakes
From the ATe website; http://www.ate.co.za/images/BrakeDiscs.gif RLE
Re: [MBZ] MB brake fluid source
According to the Pentosin adverts, they're the OEM fluid for many European cars - I wonder if it's repackaged with the MB logo on the jug? What did I post about this just last week? Pay attention! RLE
Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ Support truck
For free, you could just have it shipped to your neck of the woods. On Thursday, June 15, 2006, at 05:10 AM, Mike Canfield wrote: Looks European to me. Quite the ugly thing but pretty cool. Too bad it is 3000 miles from here I would go and get it. Mike - Original Message - From: redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] ArcticQ Support truck http://seattle.craigslist.org//zip/171261944.html WTF is it? I am sure it could be painted up to showcase the trek north and hold all the extra parts and fuel we may need -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington
I shared the link with a fellow searching for a real car. On Thursday, June 15, 2006, at 07:10 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: The Albatross is headed for Vancouver WA, though will be making a pass through the greater Seattle area. It's going to stay at my brother's house for awhile. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Component manufacturers
The calipers on my Passat are ATE too, but I'm guessing they were to cheap to put a decent ABS system that would last 50,000 miles. At least Mercedes was smart enough to not go the cheap route with their brakes Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:24:17 EDT Subject: Re: [MBZ] Component manufacturers Just want to chime in here on this Engineering post. Bosch should really think before they write about failures. Damn near every Bosch 5.1 ABS system with the integrated electronics is a piece of crap. From 98 to 03 when Bosch integrated ASR with the ABS systems the circuit boards were so small and flimsy they fail on every AUDI and VW they put them on. Had my 02 Passat in 4 times to have it replaced. At $1600 a pop I'd trade that for a decent Lucas system any day My '01 C320's braking system (ABS/ESP/BAS) including the ABS pump, vacuum booster and rear calipers are all ATe. Only the front floating calipers are Lucas (with no mention of Girling). Rear calipers are fixed. All now with Pagid pads. No pad lube required now, BTW. That's ATe as in Alfred Teves. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 TD Rear Speakers
Thats one of those odd shaped speakers like a 5x7 or a 6X8. You'll probably have to go to a 6 or 6 1/2 round speaker and use some sort of adapter Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:38:22 -0500 Subject: [MBZ] W123 TD Rear Speakers Anybody know offhand what the size of the rear speakers are in a W123 station wagon? I figured I'd find out before I tore into them to put in some new ones. Might even like to upgrade a bit. TIA Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 TD Rear Speakers
Where are they located on a S123? On 6/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats one of those odd shaped speakers like a 5x7 or a 6X8. You'll probably have to go to a 6 or 6 1/2 round speaker and use some sort of adapter Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k) '84 300D (213k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] 140 ENGINEERING
That was before VW offered ASR in their cars and the older Bosch ABS was less sensitive to vibration and heat. When they went to the B platform which was based on the Audi A6 chassis they saved weight and money by using a smaller and cheaper ABS system Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:58:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 140 ENGINEERING Granted, I don't have much experience with newer Bosch digital automotive equipment, but I've been wrenching on European rigs for over 25 years now, and have been generally quite impressed with Bosch electrical equipment--enough so, that I bought a dishwasher and frontloading washing machine from them. The newest vehicle I've owned was a '96 Passat tdi, which had lots of Bosch electrical gizmos, yet none of them ever gave us any problems over the five years and 50k we put on the car (it did have the more reliable Pierburg MAF sensor). Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k) '84 300D (213k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 TD Rear Speakers
In the wagens if I recall they should be in the rear compartment area near the wheel wells Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:13:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 TD Rear Speakers Where are they located on a S123? On 6/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats one of those odd shaped speakers like a 5x7 or a 6X8. You'll probably have to go to a 6 or 6 1/2 round speaker and use some sort of adapter Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k) '84 300D (213k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 TD Rear Speakers
I thought they were in the roof by the hatch struts. ??? Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD
[MBZ] Crazy Aussie on illegal substances
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4651493146ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1 Yeah, seems we get some of these dreamers over here as well. Do they really get 5 litres/100kmhs Marshall, I'll let you convert it to your language? I would think the best 2.5litre CDI engines don't get that sort of mileage. Anyway AU$12,550 for a bog stock 86 201 with 240k k's on the clock is just about crackhead territory. Sounds like it don't even have a sunroof or power windows. Hendrik who will not be bidding on this vehicle unless the seller drops the 1 from in front of the price
Re: [MBZ] Crazy Aussie on illegal substances
5 litres is about 169 fluid ounces. A US gallon is 128 ounces. 100km is 62.13 miles. 47mpg with a 2.5 automatic isn't going to be possible, even if you cruise at 60kph. Mitch.
[MBZ] New Winding Road Issue
Hi, If anyone has not gotten a look at the digital magazine, Winding Road take a look here: http://www.windingroad.com/download? issue=new Very good read. Take care, Chuck Phoenix, AZ
Re: [MBZ] W123 TD Rear Speakers
actually they are round speakers, the same size as in the rear of a regular 123 I do believe. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats one of those odd shaped speakers like a 5x7 or a 6X8. You'll probably have to go to a 6 or 6 1/2 round speaker and use some sort of adapter Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] W123 TD Rear Speakers
They are in the rear liner above the rear hatch door. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the wagens if I recall they should be in the rear compartment area near the wheel wells Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 126 alignement
I'm as frugal as the next guy but for $200 I'd buy one. Even at my pay rate 8 hours of fiddling with making something thats not exactly right would buy one... Never mind the fact that the only reason I'd buy one is to haul it to an alignment shop that doesn't have one so they can do the job right. I can't see them wanting to muck with something I'd invented. I also can't see my wanting to pay for that. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:50:56 -0400 From: Constantine N. Polites [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 126 alignement To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I phoned Beissbarth ( the manufacturer of the spreader bar) and learned that their price is appx. $ 199 for the spreader bar. It has an MB number of 900 589 012700. This may be a rather simple item to make for a fraction of the cost. I am sure that the Beisbarth spreader has a built in torque device pre set at 90-110 NM. However, it might also be done with two short pieces of pipe with plates welded on the end. The middle can be fashioned with a 18 piece of all thread and two nuts. You will however need a torque wrench and a crows foot wrench to tighten the nut. Your thoughts on the subject.. Constantine - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 16 13:50:00 2006 Received: from 70-184-18-49.atlasok.com ([70.184.18.49] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FrEhz-00040q-OK for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:50:00 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:50:02 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 alignement X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:50:00 - I wonder if you supplied the spreader bar of shops that dont have it would know how to use it? What about the locking pin for the steering box? Curt Raymond wrote: I'm as frugal as the next guy but for $200 I'd buy one. Even at my pay rate 8 hours of fiddling with making something thats not exactly right would buy one... Never mind the fact that the only reason I'd buy one is to haul it to an alignment shop that doesn't have one so they can do the job right. I can't see them wanting to muck with something I'd invented. I also can't see my wanting to pay for that. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:50:56 -0400 From: Constantine N. Polites [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 126 alignement To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I phoned Beissbarth ( the manufacturer of the spreader bar) and learned that their price is appx. $ 199 for the spreader bar. It has an MB number of 900 589 012700. This may be a rather simple item to make for a fraction of the cost. I am sure that the Beisbarth spreader has a built in torque device pre set at 90-110 NM. However, it might also be done with two short pieces of pipe with plates welded on the end. The middle can be fashioned with a 18 piece of all thread and two nuts. You will however need a torque wrench and a crows foot wrench to tighten the nut. Your thoughts on the subject.. Constantine - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73
Re: [MBZ] LUCAS
the way things are today, i'd rather see lucas under the hood than bosch. and would take GM electric and fuel parts over either. On 6/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: g, I was looking under the hood of some recent C class and noticed Lucas proudly printed on some electronics so it's closer than we think. The 202, hardly a recent car now, used a Lucas brake booster. My '01 C320's front calipers are Lucas and are easier to service than any of the calipers on any past MB I've owned. Not that I'm endorsing Lucas. 113,116,123, 201 twice, 202. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 TD Rear Speakers
That is correct. You win the prize. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Zedic Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:01 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 TD Rear Speakers I thought they were in the roof by the hatch struts. ??? Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LUCAS
Personally, I'll stick to the Fuji or what-not items under my Subaru... Lucas is pretty low on my list, Bosch is maybe medium, and GM would be somewhere between the two of them. I'd consider most of the Japanese electronics in the good category, quite high in my book... Or at least about the best I can think of... Heck, I've yet to meet an American manufacturer that could make electronics good enough to last for terribly long in farm duty on my parents dairy farm. That includes BobCats, Olivers, White's, Case's, ehh probably something else I'm forgetting... I had a Honda CRX for a while that acted like it was only running on maybe 3 cylinders, couldn't figure out what it was... Finally tried monkeying with the computer... Low and behold, it sits directly under the passenger seat where apparently the salt from the roads had eaten through the floor to a degree and through the case of the computer. I pulled the computer and dumped several ounces or more of salt and some other dirt out of there. I couldn't believe the thing was still running at all! Now if that was a Lucas or GM computer, it probably would have died long before the salt ripped open the floor and the case of the computer to get to it Levi On 6/16/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the way things are today, i'd rather see lucas under the hood than bosch. and would take GM electric and fuel parts over either. On 6/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: g, I was looking under the hood of some recent C class and noticed Lucas proudly printed on some electronics so it's closer than we think. The 202, hardly a recent car now, used a Lucas brake booster. My '01 C320's front calipers are Lucas and are easier to service than any of the calipers on any past MB I've owned. Not that I'm endorsing Lucas. 113,116,123, 201 twice, 202. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 87 2.5t Redux
It's alive! It's Alive! Its ALIVE! Yahooo! I even washed it. Fred Moir Lynn MA 190Dt 300TD 190D - New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 16 15:09:16 2006 Received: from wmail-2.airmail.net ([209.196.70.85]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FrFwi-0003Yk-4j for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:09:16 + Received: from [64.0.172.2] (helo=Verity0531) by wmail-2.airmail.net with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1FrFwc-000AH1-Nm for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:09:10 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: George Larribeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:09:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 TD Rear Speakers X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:09:16 - actually they are round speakers, the same size as in the rear of a regular 123 I do believe. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats one of those odd shaped speakers like a 5x7 or a 6X8. You'll probably have to go to a 6 or 6 1/2 round speaker and use some sort of adapter MCM http://www.mcminone.com/ and Parts Express http://www.partsexpress.com are reasonable sources for speaker components. The web sites can be a bit to navigate: MCM [Audio-Video] - [Automotive Electronics Speaker} Parts Exp [Speakers] - [Car Audio] - [Automotive Speakers (named table on right of page)] Both sites have various weird shaped automotive speakers. There are gobs of audio, speakers and assorted electronic AV consumer stuff on these sites. Most of the market for Replacement automotive speakers involves the use of a inverter powered booster amplifier that could be used for a arc welder / satellite tracking antenna servo amplifier / deep sea sonar system and is most likely not needed is this application. Historically oval shaped speakers in rectangular / oval frames are not quite as good as round ones however for a car that has holes in it I would use what ever is the easiest to fit and not look ugly. Speakers that are designed for 100W RMS plus power levels with voice coils wound out of 4/0 buss bar are totally unnecessary but I would get something with a magnet larger that squires family jewels. George Larribeau Dallas, Texas 1985 300SD 190K
[MBZ] 560 SEL CUTS OUT
Sorry Peter, thought you owned the 560. Peter, what year is the 560 SEL? I had a 75 450SEL that was a nightmare with cutoff problems. After too many episodes to count, including fuel filter, many sets of electronic ignition trigger points, injector cleaner, etc, etc. my techs advised that the distributor bushings were worn to the point that fumes were contaminating the points. This car would foul points in less than a week of driving, but would get better than 20 mpg for the first few days. If you have the same distributor, and you've already changed the fuel filter, I'd start with the distributor, in particular the resistance across the points. If you're getting good contact, and good spark (or if someone has already replaced the distributor), you might look toward the TSU, transistorized switch unit, if your car has one. The germanium transistor has a tendency to faint in hot weather, going open until it cools off a bit. I had this happen on two cars, a 1970 280S, and the 75 450SEL. The other potential cut-out problem with the 450SEL involved the Rube Goldberg method of firing the injectors. I vaguely recollect four additional sets of points, housed below the ignition points in the distributor, with a truckload of shorted wiring, whose job it was to open the injectors. Once I repaired all the shorts and opens there, the car would run great for a few days at a time, as long as it had new or cleaned ignition points. I hope your 560SEL has newer technology than all this. If not, you might consider a 300SDL. I have an 87 (yes the catalyst and the turbo were replaced) that I intend keeping til the wheels fall off. As a backup, I've also got the same engine in an 87 300D. Both cars are very powerful examples of the breed (148 HP), although the new diesel is even more powerful. Good Luck with the cutout problem Mike Boerner 87 300SDL, 126K 87 300D 131K 01 320ML 42K
Re: [MBZ] 87 2.5t Redux
On Jun 16, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Frederick Moir wrote: It's alive! It's Alive! Its ALIVE! Yahooo! I even washed it. Fred Moir Lynn MA Are you saying that it's going to rain? That's what happens almost every time I wash a car. That 201should be pretty quick. I'm real happy with the 2.5NA in ours. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
[MBZ] Cheap W140 V12
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/car/172145355.html Weren't we just discussing these? Remember nothing is MORE EXPENSIVE that a Cheap Mercedes No affiliation, ect. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 16 15:48:14 2006 Received: from mail.cnsp.com ([208.3.80.17]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FrGYP-0007F4-QE for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:48:14 + Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cnsp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0CF3DD6AC for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:48:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.cnsp.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04944-02-72 for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:48:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mccluskey.linux (208-3-82-36.cnsp.net [208.3.82.36]) by mail.cnsp.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0205D3DD5B7 for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:48:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:48:03 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at cnsp.com X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 TD Rear Speakers X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:48:14 - On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:09:09 -0500 George Larribeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MCM http://www.mcminone.com/ and Parts Express http://www.partsexpress.com are reasonable sources for speaker components. The web sites can be a bit to navigate: Don't forget Crutchfield: http://www.crutchfield.com Craig
[MBZ] 190Dt repeat
Hi, All. No, Johnny B. I waited 'til the rain stopped to wash my car a** backwards as usual. The Car is not a prime example but it will go in excess of 161KPH. Next is new tyres. General question:- When the head gasket went it leaked a little oil into the cooling system. I have the MB citic acid stuff, but what is best for de-oiling the cooling system? TTFN Fred Moir 2.5t Mine 300TD Sunshine 2.2 Slug - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 16 16:23:21 2006 Received: from relais.videotron.ca ([24.201.245.36]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FrH6P-00024W-H6 for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:23:21 + Received: from [70.81.249.239] by VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.05 (built Apr 28 2005)) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:23:09 -0400 From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190Dt repeat X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:23:22 - on 6/16/06 12:17 PM, Frederick Moir at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the head gasket went it leaked a little oil into the cooling system. I have the MB citic acid stuff, but what is best for de-oiling the cooling system? IIRC, that is one of the functions of the citric acid. It IS going to rain, dude. Face it. I gave up cursing it long ago. If you don't believe me, start staining your deck. Two summers ago it took me TWO MONTHS to do a medium-sized deck (bearing in mind you need 72 hours of dry/sun conditions after rain before using the product). Man it rained a lot that year, not hard but often. LOL Mac
Re: [MBZ] 190Dt repeat
http://mb.braingears.com/201_DISK1/PDF/70012.pdf Braingears to the rescue. The description of de-oiling a cooling system starts on page 20-016. They say to use an alkaline cleaner. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:17 AM Subject: [MBZ] 190Dt repeat Hi, All. No, Johnny B. I waited 'til the rain stopped to wash my car a** backwards as usual. The Car is not a prime example but it will go in excess of 161KPH. Next is new tyres. General question:- When the head gasket went it leaked a little oil into the cooling system. I have the MB citic acid stuff, but what is best for de-oiling the cooling system? TTFN Fred Moir 2.5t Mine 300TD Sunshine 2.2 Slug - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB coolant
IN EUROPE there are about a dozen makers of anti-freeze that meet Mercedes specs. All of the MB anti-freeze sold in the US is made by Valvoline - most is sold to Mercedes and the remainder is sold as Zerex G-05. The Peak Lifetime meets the Mercedes specs as well. NOTHING Prestone makes comes even close (despite their claim to the contrary - look for the Mercedes spec number on their data sheet - it isn't there)! Marshall Now G-05 is not the only antifreeze product from Zerex, right? Must be sure that it is G-05? Is there a MB spec number on the bottle that indicates some documentation / requirement that it meets? Or is this info only findable from the manufacture? Its funny Peak was a 'discount brand' at HiLow store around here during the glycol 'shortage' in the 90's. An was considered cheaper than Prestone (in marketing terms, yes I read Dilbert) Go figure.. George Larribeau Dallas, Texas 1985 300SD 190K
Re: [MBZ] 190Dt repeat
On Jun 16, 2006, at 12:17 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: General question:- When the head gasket went it leaked a little oil into the cooling system. I have the MB citic acid stuff, but what is best for de-oiling the cooling system? Hopefully, your oil did not defy the laws of physics and floated to the top (coolant reservoir) where you can mop it up or wash out with soapy water. Dish soap in higher than normal concentrations does a pretty good job on oil and grease. I have used soapy water in the cooling systems of cars that had a particularly bad mess in them. A few fresh water flushes after seemed to get it all out. This works best in a warm engine. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] 190Dt repeat
Frederick Moir wrote: Hi, All. No, Johnny B. I waited 'til the rain stopped to wash my car a** backwards as usual. The Car is not a prime example but it will go in excess of 161KPH. Next is new tyres. General question:- When the head gasket went it leaked a little oil into the cooling system. I have the MB citic acid stuff, but what is best for de-oiling the cooling system? Some liquid Tide will de-oil the system just fine (or you can use the cleaner that Mercedes recommends - if you can find it). Citric acid is then used to remove mineral deposits (it doesn't de-oil anything). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] MB coolant
On Jun 16, 2006, at 1:21 PM, George Larribeau wrote: Now G-05 is not the only antifreeze product from Zerex, right? Must be sure that it is G-05? Is there a MB spec number on the bottle that indicates some documentation / requirement that it meets? Or is this info only findable from the manufacture? The jug is clearly marked G-05 I'm pretty sure the jug is a goldish color. All G-05 meets the spec, no need to strain your eyes reading all that fine print. Thank Marshall for all his hard work concerning this type of stuff. Auto-Zone had it every time I needed it. Carquest, locally stocks it too. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] 190Dt repeat
On Jun 16, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: Some liquid Tide will de-oil the system just fine (or you can use the cleaner that Mercedes recommends - if you can find it). Citric acid is then used to remove mineral deposits (it doesn't de-oil anything). Marshall Isn't most soap alkaline anyway? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
[MBZ] 126 alignment
Where is this spreader bar placed on the wheels? Looking at the tire from the side as looking at a clock 12,3,6,9? Roger -- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 alignement To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I'm as frugal as the next guy but for $200 I'd buy one. Even at my pay rate 8 hours of fiddling with making something thats not exactly right would buy one... Never mind the fact that the only reason I'd buy one is to haul it to an alignment shop that doesn't have one so they can do the job right. I can't see them wanting to muck with something I'd invented. I also can't see my wanting to pay for that. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:50:56 -0400 From: Constantine N. Polites [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 126 alignement To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I phoned Beissbarth ( the manufacturer of the spreader bar) and learned that their price is appx. $ 199 for the spreader bar. It has an MB number of 900 589 012700. This may be a rather simple item to make for a fraction of the cost. I am sure that the Beisbarth spreader has a built in torque device pre set at 90-110 NM. However, it might also be done with two short pieces of pipe with plates welded on the end. The middle can be fashioned with a 18 piece of all thread and two nuts. You will however need a torque wrench and a crows foot wrench to tighten the nut. Your thoughts on the subject.. Constantine - _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [MBZ] 126 alignment
Roger Conlon wrote: Where is this spreader bar placed on the wheels? Looking at the tire from the side as looking at a clock 12,3,6,9? Depends on which side of the car you're on! If you're on the drivers side of a US car, the spreader bar would be on the contact the left front wheel behind the 8-9 o'clock position. If you were on the right side, it would be 3-4 o'clock. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] 126 alignment
Roger Conlon wrote: Where is this spreader bar placed on the wheels? Looking at the tire from the side as looking at a clock 12,3,6,9? At the front. 3 o'clock on the right tire, 9 o'clock on the left. Mitch.
[MBZ] 1984 190e - $600
Mmmm, The last one of these I asked about Rusty himself came online to tell me to run, far far away. This one apparently has blackened engine damage do these catch fire or something? Ed -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil.
Re: [MBZ] MB coolant
on 6/16/06 2:21 PM, John Berryman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The jug is clearly marked G-05 I'm pretty sure the jug is a goldish color. Yes, at least here in Canada it's completely different from the regular Zerex jug. Mac
[MBZ] Oily 190Dt
Hi, All. So, the answer is liquid detergent. i.e. Tide or dish detergent, or the correct(read expensive) MBZ goo? Thanks to:- Rick Johnny B. Herr Doktor Marshall TTFN Fred Moir Lynn MA Drove it around the block. Yee-Hr! - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 16 22:06:52 2006 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([216.148.227.153]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FrMSq-00060B-PR for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:06:52 + Received: from ringbill.gull.us (gull.us[67.171.52.98]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id 20060616220643m1300g473he; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:06:43 + Received: from [69.88.113.178] (helo=[192.168.1.105]) by ringbill.gull.us with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51 (FreeBSD)) id 1FrMSe-000559-RC for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:06:42 -0700 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:06:36 -0700 From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060317) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.7 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system ringbill.gull.us, has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details. Content preview: Frederick Moir wrote: Hi, All. No, Johnny B. I waited 'til the rain stopped to wash my car a** backwards as usual. The Car is not a prime example but it will go in excess of 161KPH. Next is new tyres. General question:- When the head gasket went it leaked a little oil into the cooling system. I have the MB citic acid stuff, but what is best for de-oiling the cooling system? [...] Content analysis details: (-4.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -- -- -3.3 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] 1.2 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190Dt repeat X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:06:52 - Frederick Moir wrote: Hi, All. No, Johnny B. I waited 'til the rain stopped to wash my car a** backwards as usual. The Car is not a prime example but it will go in excess of 161KPH. Next is new tyres. General question:- When the head gasket went it leaked a little oil into the cooling system. I have the MB citic acid stuff, but what is best for de-oiling the cooling system? I used Prestone radiator flush on a VW with a blown head gasket. It acted like a mild detergent. It seemed to work pretty well at getting the oil out of the radiator and such. (You want it gone -- it can impede heat transfer and soften hoses.) The plastic tanks had the worst build-up because the oil floats to the top; I ended up taking those out and scrubbing them with a bottle brush.
[MBZ] Ebay Canadian 300d Limo
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[MBZ] FW: New Benz
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