date:20060629


Peter Merle wrote:

I discovered that the oil lines from the filter housing to the oil
filter on my 300GD Gwagon ( OM617 )  are the wrong way round! The top
pipe at the filter housing went to the bottom of the cooler and visa
vera . Could this explain for lower than normal oil pressure - oil
pressure is just in spec at 0.6 bar at idle?


Won't have much effect on pressure but oil cooling will be suboptimal. 
Raising oil pressure above the minimum is of NO advantage except when it 
comes to bragging rights. Either the pressure is adequate or it's not. 
As long as it's above the minimum, then wear is controlled (subject to 
the oil film strength). Once pressure drops below the limit, pressure is 
insufficient to limit wear and wear increases dramatically.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] W124 - Chain Tensioner


Hans Neureiter wrote:

On my E300D (606.91x motor) the chain tensioner leaks slightly. It's the
only spot on the motor that is wet from oil.
I suspect that the aluminum seal at the end cap (not the seal between the
unit and the engine) is to blame.
But than it says to replace the complete unit, don't disassemble (~ $100).
Has anyone experiences with this?
TIA


I believe you've misinterpreted the instructions in 05-7800HA. It says 
that the tensioner must not be serviced but must be replaced as a unit. 
It also says that the seal must be replaced. If you have a leak, replace 
the seal. If that doesn't cure the problem, then the tensioner assembly 
must be replaced along with a new seal.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Towel has been thrown: time for the OM616 -> OM617 swap


dave walton wrote:

Is this the IP tool you are talking about?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Diesel-Injection-Pump-Pin-Engine-Parts-Tool_W0QQitemZ110003011140QQihZ001QQcategoryZ35625QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


There have been problems with SOME aftermarket locking tools. I do NOT 
know what specific models caused problems. The factory tool I have is 
useful only on pumps manufactured starting somewhere during 1984.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] OT - generators again

I just picked up an old Onan Generator. Anyone have ideas on 
availability of information for something like this?


Onan's still around, did you call them?  I was able to get a
(badly-faxed, as it turned out) schematic for my 1965 Kohler
from the company.

This site: www.smokstak.com has both Kohler and Onan generator
activity on it, somewhere.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Portable Start Devices

2006-06-29 Thread Curt Raymond

I'm not sure how suitable a 2 stroke motor is for this sort of application but 
I would imagine there are small 4 stroke engines that would be.
  We have a typically bulky 3k generator for camp use which replaced an ancient 
(I presume to be 900watt) unit that was a really good size, I think it had a 
3hp motor. The motor still runs great but the generator head doesn't do squat I 
mucked with the circuit breaker for a bit and we even took the case off and 
looked but nothing was obviously bad. We were using the circular saw and it 
just quit making power. Presumably somebody smart (like Jim Cathey for 
instance) could bring it back to life, but at the time we NEEDED to finish our 
project so we ran to Sears. The new unit doesn't labor like the other one did 
and can run 2 saws at the same time which the other one never could, it also 
produces a much nicer more constant power. We don't use it much, maybe 5 hours 
in 3 years.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:04:48 -0500
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Hmmm, how about sticking an old alternator in a box with the chain saw 
motor hooked to it, fairly light and cheap portable 12v power?  Maybe a 
small battery thrown on there for storage and load leveling, an 
inverter 
for light 110v.  I guess it would need to be grounded or something, and 
it would be a bit weighty, but still, that would be kinda fun.  I might 
have to try that to run the 12v 'rita blender at the beach.  Or I could 
just hook a weedwhacker motor to an old blender.  Or

Too many projects!

--R



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> I'm not sure how suitable a 2 stroke motor is for this sort of 
> application but I would imagine there are small 4 stroke engines that 
> would be.

For the little it'd be used, and because it's used with an alternator,
the weight advantage (and lack of crankcase oil) of the 2-stroke would
be advantages.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT - generators again

2006-06-29 Thread Potter, Tom E

Look in the "Old Engines" groups. Lots of them are tinkering with old
generators.

Tom Potter

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Subject: [MBZ] OT - generators again

I just picked up an old Onan Generator. Anyone have ideas on
availability of information for something like this?
The fellow I got it from talked about a group on the net that were
interested. I wasn't quick enough to ask for
details. I assumed it had to be a Yahoo group or something easy to find.
I have done a little bit of looking and
not come up with anything positive. Will keep looking but thought I
would ask if any of you knowledgeable folks had
run across such in your various travels.

Randy B

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[MBZ] OT - generators again

2006-06-29 Thread R A Bennell

I just picked up an old Onan Generator. Anyone have ideas on availability of 
information for something like this?
The fellow I got it from talked about a group on the net that were interested. 
I wasn't quick enough to ask for
details. I assumed it had to be a Yahoo group or something easy to find. I have 
done a little bit of looking and
not come up with anything positive. Will keep looking but thought I would ask 
if any of you knowledgeable folks had
run across such in your various travels.

Randy B

Re: [MBZ] Towel has been thrown: time for the OM616 -> OM617 swap

2006-06-29 Thread Steve MacSween

The tool on the SamStag site looks a little different than that, but I can't
comment more. That is about less than half the price of the SamStag one,
however.

http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes/mb601589052100.jpg

Mac

on 6/29/06 1:58 PM, Zeitgeist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I don't think that tool will fit the original IP found in that particular
> vintage OM617.  There's another type of pin tool for those, which seems to
> be pretty rare.
> 
> 
> On 6/29/06, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> Is this the IP tool you are talking about?
>> 
>> 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Diesel-Injection-Pump-Pin-Engine-Part
>> s-Tool_W0QQitemZ110003011140QQihZ001QQcategoryZ35625QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQ
>> cmdZViewItem
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Towel has been thrown: time for the OM616 -> OM617 swap


I don't think that tool will fit the original IP found in that particular
vintage OM617.  There's another type of pin tool for those, which seems to
be pretty rare.


On 6/29/06, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Is this the IP tool you are talking about?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Diesel-Injection-Pump-Pin-Engine-Parts-Tool_W0QQitemZ110003011140QQihZ001QQcategoryZ35625QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



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'84 300D (214k)
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Re: [MBZ] Portable Start Devices

2006-06-29 Thread David Brodbeck

Mike Canfield wrote:
> OK I have seen a Reese hitch mounted, gasoline powered blender..Works 
> well.

Something like this?
http://www.cabelas.com/products/Cpod0005934.jsp

Re: [MBZ] Towel has been thrown: time for the OM616 -> OM617 swap

2006-06-29 Thread dave walton

Is this the IP tool you are talking about?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Diesel-Injection-Pump-Pin-Engine-Parts-Tool_W0QQitemZ110003011140QQihZ001QQcategoryZ35625QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$20 + shipping.

-Dave Walton
94S350, 99E300

On 6/29/06, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Stubborn and brickheaded or no, I've finally come to the conclusion that
I've come as far as I'm likely to, with my sick 1982 240d. The head's
gonnahafta come off, maybe more.

What I am more inclined to do, right now, is to put back together the OM617
that I have apart, and swap it in instead. Frankly for the small premium in
fuel economy, I'd prefer five pots over four. (For the few of you from the
OLD OLD list, it's the engine from my '79 300sd that snapped its chain --
thankfully at a stop sign, so the valve and piston damage was minimal. Head
has been reconditioned.)

I just discovered that SamStag Sales sells the IP locking tool, which
Mercedes is refusing to sell retail. I didn't want to attempt the reassembly
myself, without it.

TWO QUESTIONS:

1. Any tips for reassembly of the head to the block, and the subsequent
checking of timing? I'm specifically looking to hear about likely FUBAR
traps.

2. Do I have ANY hope of successfully using the original 240d tranny with
the OM617, or am I just going to grenade it? It's absolutely perfect in
every way, right now. Right now no one has any decent used transmissions
around here, and I don't imagine our listmom is drooling to ship any of his
up here to Kanuckistan :-0

TKS

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Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s
Volvo: '87 245 (waiting for OM616 transplant)
SAAB: '83 900T (waiting for a miracle)

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[MBZ] Towel has been thrown: time for the OM616 -> OM617 swap

2006-06-29 Thread Steve MacSween

Stubborn and brickheaded or no, I've finally come to the conclusion that
I've come as far as I'm likely to, with my sick 1982 240d. The head's
gonnahafta come off, maybe more.

What I am more inclined to do, right now, is to put back together the OM617
that I have apart, and swap it in instead. Frankly for the small premium in
fuel economy, I'd prefer five pots over four. (For the few of you from the
OLD OLD list, it's the engine from my '79 300sd that snapped its chain --
thankfully at a stop sign, so the valve and piston damage was minimal. Head
has been reconditioned.)

I just discovered that SamStag Sales sells the IP locking tool, which
Mercedes is refusing to sell retail. I didn't want to attempt the reassembly
myself, without it.

TWO QUESTIONS:

1. Any tips for reassembly of the head to the block, and the subsequent
checking of timing? I'm specifically looking to hear about likely FUBAR
traps.

2. Do I have ANY hope of successfully using the original 240d tranny with
the OM617, or am I just going to grenade it? It's absolutely perfect in
every way, right now. Right now no one has any decent used transmissions
around here, and I don't imagine our listmom is drooling to ship any of his
up here to Kanuckistan :-0

TKS

-- 
"Mac"
Steve MacSween
Aylmer, Quebec (Canada)
Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s
Volvo: '87 245 (waiting for OM616 transplant)
SAAB: '83 900T (waiting for a miracle)

[MBZ] www.mbpumps.com


Anybody have any dealings with these guys??

http://www.mbpumps.com/

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] W124 - Chain Tensioner

I suspect that the aluminum seal at the end cap (not the seal between 
the

unit and the engine) is to blame.
But than it says to replace the complete unit, don't disassemble (~ 
$100).

Has anyone experiences with this?


Don't know about your chain tensioner, but the one in my 250C (M130)
came apart easily, allowing me to replace both the O-ring against
the block and the one in the screw-on cap as well.  Vast difference
in leakage after that!  That tensioner is all-steel.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] RIV sensor


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Marshall,

Using the bubble technique... is the 24 BTDC for all engines?  The cd rom
says 15 BTDC for the 603 engine (yes the rod bender) when setting the start
of delivery.  Or is the timing mark different because of the method?


Using the RIV or pump lock method at 15 ATDC (after top dead center) 
gives exactly the same results as the drip or bubble method at 24 
degrees BTDC (before top dead center). In the former method, you are 
setting an arbitrary pump position to a set point on the  crank damper. 
Using the latter techniques, you can actually measure where the pump is 
starting and stopping fuel delivered to the injector.


Done correctly, the engine is set at the same injection point using 
either method.


There are a few older engines (615.94 for one) that use 26 BTDC as the 
set point. All of the 60x engines from model year 1990 or newer use 14 
degrees ATDC rather than 15 deg ATDC like '80s diesels use as the set 
point. That would correspond to 25 deg BTDC when using the bubble or 
drip method. Not a big deal as I can NOT detect any difference in 
power/performance/fuel economy from a one degree change in pump time. In 
a car I am familiar with, I CAN detect a 2 degree change!


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Re: [MBZ] Portable Start Devices

2006-06-29 Thread Mike Canfield

OK I have seen a Reese hitch mounted, gasoline powered blender..Works 
well.  If you do build the PSD(Don't think Ford) you could use a 12V gel 
type toy/fire alarm battery to excite the regulator and make it all work 
very well as an emergency device.  Would all fit well in a medium sized 
metal tool box.


Mike
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From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Portable Start Devices



Hmmm, how about sticking an old alternator in a box with the chain saw
motor hooked to it, fairly light and cheap portable 12v power?  Maybe a
small battery thrown on there for storage and load leveling, an inverter
for light 110v.  I guess it would need to be grounded or something, and
it would be a bit weighty, but still, that would be kinda fun.  I might
have to try that to run the 12v 'rita blender at the beach.  Or I could
just hook a weedwhacker motor to an old blender.  Or

Too many projects!

--R

Curt Raymond wrote:

I saw one time in a 4wd magazine where it was suggested that in the 
backcountry you carry a chainsaw with no bar or chain but with an 
appropriate sized v belt and pully so you could hook it to your truck's 
alternator in case of a dead battery...


 -Curt








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[MBZ] W124 - Chain Tensioner

2006-06-29 Thread Hans Neureiter


On my E300D (606.91x motor) the chain tensioner leaks slightly. It's the
only spot on the motor that is wet from oil.
I suspect that the aluminum seal at the end cap (not the seal between the
unit and the engine) is to blame.
But than it says to replace the complete unit, don't disassemble (~ $100).
Has anyone experiences with this?
TIA


--
Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
'82 300SD, '95 E300D

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?


I guess I need a different can-tap.  Mine looks sorta like this one:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q17C5285D


I can see how that would be a problem.  Does the metal bit come
out of the pliers?  You could take a block of wood and scoop out
a trough for the fuel can, then drill a hole into which to screw
the tap, then band-clamp the whole mess to the can...

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Tektronix 'scopes (was: Re: OM60X low-oil circuit board)

2006-06-29 Thread George Larribeau


Hard to say.  The price was right, at the time.  Is definitely superior
to the Griefkit, when it works.  I have it buried in the bench as a
bench scope, the plan was always to put a 2465 there and make the 2336
portable again for general troubleshooting.  But 2465's stink, so now
I don't know what I'll do.


I haven't used an analogue scope in quite some time, everything now is a 
'DSO' At work the main thing I use is a TDS7054 w 8MB sample memory (now 
obsolete). Had a TDS 350 before that and some other forgotten TDS series 
scopes. It took me a while to get use to using DSO vs  'real oscilloscopes'..


I would guess the well is drying up on used Tek 'real oscilloscopes. The 
last 2 I personally had were a 465 and one of those Sony-Tektronix 335 
things. Both dead and gone now.


In a previous life a long time ago I worked for a while in a 'Cal lab' at a 
tracking station for a while. If the 465 existed then it was just invented. 
Had lots of 7000 seris stuff and still had old VT stuff 565 - 567 (ugg)   I 
did not like it as much as working Telemetry.



George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

1985 300SD 190K

Re: [MBZ] 220 SEB questions

2006-06-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

oh, yea, I have several people wanting to buy that car.  Its a damn 
nice car though.


LT Don wrote:


That 250 that everyone was drooling over, in the back of the yard.



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Re: [MBZ] Portable Start Devices

2006-06-29 Thread Rich Thomas

Hmmm, how about sticking an old alternator in a box with the chain saw 
motor hooked to it, fairly light and cheap portable 12v power?  Maybe a 
small battery thrown on there for storage and load leveling, an inverter 
for light 110v.  I guess it would need to be grounded or something, and 
it would be a bit weighty, but still, that would be kinda fun.  I might 
have to try that to run the 12v 'rita blender at the beach.  Or I could 
just hook a weedwhacker motor to an old blender.  Or


Too many projects!

--R

Curt Raymond wrote:


I saw one time in a 4wd magazine where it was suggested that in the backcountry 
you carry a chainsaw with no bar or chain but with an appropriate sized v belt 
and pully so you could hook it to your truck's alternator in case of a dead 
battery...
  
 -Curt

Re: [MBZ] 220 SEB questions

2006-06-29 Thread LT Don


That 250 that everyone was drooling over, in the back of the yard.

On 6/29/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have no idea what lt don is talking about.

Loren Faeth wrote:

> Yeah?  Kaleb, fess up and show us the pictures!
>
> At 10:00 PM 6/28/2006, you wrote:
>
>>Kleb has an old gasser in his backyard / junkyard that would make Rush
lose
>>the Viagra!
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Re: [MBZ] 220 SEB questions

2006-06-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


I have no idea what lt don is talking about.

Loren Faeth wrote:


Yeah?  Kaleb, fess up and show us the pictures!

At 10:00 PM 6/28/2006, you wrote:


Kleb has an old gasser in his backyard / junkyard that would make Rush lose
the Viagra!




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Re: [MBZ] The Smarts are coming -- to the US, 2008

2006-06-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


hope they bring in the diesel models.

OK Don wrote:


http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/06/28/business/car.php


Minicar maker hopes U.S. is ready to give small a chance

By Mark Landler The New York Times

Published: June 28, 2006

FRANKFURT Are Americans finally ready to get Smart?

DaimlerChrysler, which shelved an earlier plan to bring the minicar
brand to the United States, was to announce Wednesday that it would
introduce the two-seat vehicle to the American market early in 2008,
according to several executives at the company.

The German-American carmaker is calculating that with stubbornly high
gasoline prices, mounting concerns about global warming and waning
interest in sport utility vehicles, U.S. drivers will welcome a car no
bigger than a large riding mower.

"Now is the right time to go to the U.S.," said a senior executive at
DaimlerChrysler, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the plans
were not yet public. "The world, and the U.S., has changed in the last
two years."

The Smart has won a hip image in European cities like Rome and Paris,
with their serpentine streets and snug parking spaces. It was recently
featured in the film "The Da Vinci Code" as well as in the remake of
"The Pink Panther," in which it served as the ride of choice for
Inspector Jacques Clouseau.

But DaimlerChrysler's management of Smart has been almost as hapless
as the fictional French policeman's driving habits. Since the first
car rolled off the assembly line in 1998, Smart has lost $3.6 billion,
according to analysts. Efforts to expand beyond the two-seat model,
known as the Fortwo, have misfired - sometimes undermining Smart's
image as a new-age city car in the process.

Among the stranger ideas, now discarded, was to introduce Smart to the
United States in the form of a pint-size sport utility vehicle.

"It's clear that no one is waiting for another SUV," the executive said.

After heavily promoting Smart's arrival at the Detroit auto show early
last year, DaimlerChrysler decided to delay an American debut. In
April 2005, it said it would eliminate two models - the ill-conceived
SUV and a widely derided roadster - and lay off 700 employees.


 http://www.smartcarofcanada.com/




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Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?


I guess I need a different can-tap.  Mine looks sorta like this one:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q17C5285D

On 6/29/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


My tap had a hooked side that slipped over the ridge on the neck of
the can, and a cam lever that latched over the other side.  Then the
main body screwed down onto the surface of the top, sealing it with
a rubber bit on its end.  Then you pierced with the valve.

I just substituted band clamps (in effect) for the two sides that
would have attached to the can's neck.  The center part had enough
travel to screw in further to seal against the side of the can.



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

I'm still trying to figure out how to gain access to the stuff in the 
cans,

but I think my can-tap will need to be permanently altered in order to
facilitate the process.


My tap had a hooked side that slipped over the ridge on the neck of
the can, and a cam lever that latched over the other side.  Then the
main body screwed down onto the surface of the top, sealing it with
a rubber bit on its end.  Then you pierced with the valve.

I just substituted band clamps (in effect) for the two sides that
would have attached to the can's neck.  The center part had enough
travel to screw in further to seal against the side of the can.

Of course, the fitting liberated from the camp stove is much nicer.
Took me a year or two before I stumbled across it, though.


http://www.care-refrigerants.co.uk


Good reference material there, too.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Oil pipe to cooler - Oil pressure issues?


I discovered that the oil lines from the filter housing to the oil
filter on my 300GD Gwagon ( OM617 )  are the wrong way round! The top
pipe at the filter housing went to the bottom of the cooler and visa
vera . Could this explain for lower than normal oil pressure - oil
pressure is just in spec at 0.6 bar at idle?


My guess would be not, only that auxiliary oil cooling would be
less efficient.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] RIV sensor


You can also get very close by just eyeballing the Vee-ridge on the IP
governor through the threaded port with a flashlight and small mirror.  Set
your crankshaft to the desired position, then loosen the pump and turn the
adjuster bolt until the Vee-ridge is perfectly centered in the threaded
port.  You need to avoid parallax perspective, so be sure to be looking at
it dead-on.  I've personally done this on multiple occasions, so I know it
works.


Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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[MBZ] Oil pipe to cooler - Oil pressure issues?

2006-06-29 Thread Peter Merle


I discovered that the oil lines from the filter housing to the oil
filter on my 300GD Gwagon ( OM617 )  are the wrong way round! The top
pipe at the filter housing went to the bottom of the cooler and visa
vera . Could this explain for lower than normal oil pressure - oil
pressure is just in spec at 0.6 bar at idle?

Peter

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?


I'm still trying to figure out how to gain access to the stuff in the cans,
but I think my can-tap will need to be permanently altered in order to
facilitate the process.

I did some research (ok, Googling) on the subject of isobutane and
refrigerants, and found this company in the UK selling the same stuff as the
camping fuel (though possibly in different blends)--see CARE 30
http://www.care-refrigerants.co.uk/hmpg/hmpgdisplaylev1.asp?catid=3&idofuser=


On 6/27/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Pity, because it'd only take an hour or two of your time.  Less,
perhaps, than you'd spend taking the car to a shop and retrieving it!  I'd
suggest experimenting with HC refrigerants.  http://cathey.dogear.com/cwair.html



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG

Re: [MBZ] RIV sensor

2006-06-29 Thread Mark . Maturo

Marshall,

Using the bubble technique... is the 24 BTDC for all engines?  The cd rom
says 15 BTDC for the 603 engine (yes the rod bender) when setting the start
of delivery.  Or is the timing mark different because of the method?

Thanks

Mark Maturo

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> Does anyone know of a place that rents the RIV position sensor to set the
> start of delivery on the inj. pump?  Rusty, how much is a new one?
>  Is there another way to set the start of delivery without the sensor?

You can set the timing PERFECTLY using the locking screw 601 589 05 21
00 at a cost of about $25-30 using a variant of the technique shown in
7.1-8410.

Or you CAN use the very accurate bubble technique posted by the late Bob
Sanigar that's been repeated again and again.

 > On the subject of diesel timing. If you are replacing the pump or
 > rebuilding the engine. The simplest and most accurate way of setting
 > the pump is. Disconnect the fuel line going into the pump from the
 > filter. Take the spring and plunger out of #1 delivery valve, put the
 > delivery valve back in and snug it down, hold the the pump linkage in
 > the full open position. If you have the drip tube install it on the
 > delivery valve, if not use the injector line in such a way that it is
 > pointing away from the engine. It you don't mind the taste of diesel
 > you can blow through the fuel line or use low air pressure. Put the
 > open end of the injector line  in a glass of water and watch the
 > bubbles. Turn the engine slowly until the bubbles stop and check the
 > timing mark. Should be at 24 BTDC. After tightening the pump recheck.
 > This method is really more precise than it needs to be and although
it > may sound complicated it is very easy . Bob

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Re: [MBZ] RIV sensor

2006-06-29 Thread Mark . Maturo

Ouch!  Thanks Rusty,   I will let you know if one of the other methods
don't work.




Mark Maturo



   
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Does anyone know of a place that rents the RIV position sensor to set
the
start of delivery on the inj. pump?  Rusty, how much is a new one?
 Is there another way to set the start of delivery without the sensor?

Thanks


Mark Maturo





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Re: [MBZ] Halogen 9004 Bulbs

2006-06-29 Thread LarryT

Thanks to all who responded to my question - it was helpful as usual.  I 
have an article in The Star that tells of changing the original plastic 
headlight assys (which melt when higher wattage bulbs are used) with the 
metal headlight assys.  The article also talks about the wiring & relay 
changes suggested here.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Halogen 9004 Bulbs




In a message dated 6/25/2006 1:49:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

One of  the high beams has stopped working on my 91 300D W124 - the
manual says to  replace with Halogen 9004 bulbs but I was wondering if
there's any benefit  to the other halogen bulbs reported to be upgrades?
Don't care for the  blue bulbs but the white seem to be pretty bright -
But I don't want to  install something inferior, illegal or with a short
life  -



Larry,

There is a current ad in the Checker/schucks/Kragen Sunday booklet for
Sylvania SilverStar headlamps and lamp modules.  $10 off plus a $10 
rebate.  With
most SS plug in modules selling for about $34 a pair, you  could give 
these a
try for less outlay than a stock lamp.  I have read that  they have a 
shorter
life than stock, and that their light output is not  significantly better 
than

stock.  I don't  recall if that was  Consumers Report or some fly by night
tester.

Regards,

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles
98 ML 320, 142 K  miles

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Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure

2006-06-29 Thread Bob DuPuy


It was mentioned earlier, but be sure to check the oil pressure
regulator, sometimes also called overpressure bypass. The springs can
break or the valve become jamed in its bore.

Bob DuPuy
Parrish, FL


On 6/29/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Sorry to hear it wasn;t one of the easy things (relatively) to fix that was
suggested - hopefully the pump intake is only blocked and the main bearings
are not damaged.

Good luck -

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Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure


>I tested the gauge and sender tonight.  The gauge goes right to 3
> when disconnected, and back to 0 when grounded, so it is fine.  I
> removed the sender and made a fixture that allowed me to pressure
> test it.  At 0 bar, it read about 7.3 ohms.  At 15 PSI (around 1 bar)
> I got around 62 ohms.  At 30 PSI, 111 ohms.  At 45 PSI, I got 172
> ohms.  So the sender is a little low based on the manual (or maybe my
> gauge is off), but the sender is certainly responsive.
>
> So it looks like I'll be pulling the pan next... and I was depressed
> to see that it's a once piece pan, unlike my old OM617 with the 2
> piece unit.  That would have made it much easier.  So I'll have to
> track down a gasket at the very least.  I am now hoping that it's
> just a blocked pickup, but we'll see.
>
> Thanks,
>
> J.B.
>
> At 12:18 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote:
>
>>On my way into work today my low oil light came on.  Oil pressure was
>>fine, so I continued on another minute or 2 and the light went
>>out.  A few miles later I noticed that my oil pressure had started to
>>fall.  When it dipped below .5 bar, I shut off the motor and coasted
>>to the side of the road.  The low oil light had not come back on
>>again.  I popped the hood and checked for leaks or any indication of
>>a problem.  I found no leaks, and the oil level was between min and
>>max on the dipstick.  I restarted the car and the oil pressure went
>>to about 1.2 bar, but would not go higher as RPMs increased.  After
>>10 seconds or so of running it started to drop again so I shut the
>>motor off again.  The vehicle has shown no signs of a failing oil
>>pump or any other issues.  It normally idles around 1.8 to 2 bar and
>>pegs the needle quickly.  There are no odd sounds, smells, or
>>sights.  Now, I changed the oil filter last night (Mann filter, just
>>like always), which is the only thing I've done to the car
>>recently.  I have no idea if it's coincidence or not, but I plan on
>>pulling the filter tonight to see if I can see anything wrong.  Even
>>if the filter was faulty and stopped oil flow, there is a filter
>>bypass so I should not have seen the symptoms I'm seeing.  It appears
>>that the oil is not flowing back down to the sump quickly enough and
>>the pump is sucking air.  I'm having the vehicle towed home for
>>further diagnosis, but welcome any suggestions.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>J.B. Hebert
>>
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>>
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Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure

2006-06-29 Thread LarryT

Sorry to hear it wasn;t one of the easy things (relatively) to fix that was 
suggested - hopefully the pump intake is only blocked and the main bearings 
are not damaged.


Good luck -

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure



I tested the gauge and sender tonight.  The gauge goes right to 3
when disconnected, and back to 0 when grounded, so it is fine.  I
removed the sender and made a fixture that allowed me to pressure
test it.  At 0 bar, it read about 7.3 ohms.  At 15 PSI (around 1 bar)
I got around 62 ohms.  At 30 PSI, 111 ohms.  At 45 PSI, I got 172
ohms.  So the sender is a little low based on the manual (or maybe my
gauge is off), but the sender is certainly responsive.

So it looks like I'll be pulling the pan next... and I was depressed
to see that it's a once piece pan, unlike my old OM617 with the 2
piece unit.  That would have made it much easier.  So I'll have to
track down a gasket at the very least.  I am now hoping that it's
just a blocked pickup, but we'll see.

Thanks,

J.B.

At 12:18 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote:


On my way into work today my low oil light came on.  Oil pressure was
fine, so I continued on another minute or 2 and the light went
out.  A few miles later I noticed that my oil pressure had started to
fall.  When it dipped below .5 bar, I shut off the motor and coasted
to the side of the road.  The low oil light had not come back on
again.  I popped the hood and checked for leaks or any indication of
a problem.  I found no leaks, and the oil level was between min and
max on the dipstick.  I restarted the car and the oil pressure went
to about 1.2 bar, but would not go higher as RPMs increased.  After
10 seconds or so of running it started to drop again so I shut the
motor off again.  The vehicle has shown no signs of a failing oil
pump or any other issues.  It normally idles around 1.8 to 2 bar and
pegs the needle quickly.  There are no odd sounds, smells, or
sights.  Now, I changed the oil filter last night (Mann filter, just
like always), which is the only thing I've done to the car
recently.  I have no idea if it's coincidence or not, but I plan on
pulling the filter tonight to see if I can see anything wrong.  Even
if the filter was faulty and stopped oil flow, there is a filter
bypass so I should not have seen the symptoms I'm seeing.  It appears
that the oil is not flowing back down to the sump quickly enough and
the pump is sucking air.  I'm having the vehicle towed home for
further diagnosis, but welcome any suggestions.

Thanks,


J.B. Hebert

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[MBZ] I'm off

2006-06-29 Thread Luther Gulseth


to Corpus Christi.  Hope no one hears from me while I'm gone.  If you do, I'm 
in trouble! :)  I have 35 gallons of filtered veg oil loaded and ready to 
rock'n'roll.  Laters all!

--
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'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] The Smarts are coming -- to the US, 2008


I saw my first Smart in person today.  There was a rather nifty version with
BC plates rolling around Olympia.  I really didn't realize how damn tiny
those things are.  I think they're even shorter than the old Honda 600, but
appear to be much taller.  Very striking and not like anything else on the
American roads these days.


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Re: [MBZ] The Smarts are coming -- to the US, 2008

2006-06-29 Thread Christopher McCann

will the US models be diesel?

 Chris

OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/06/28/business/car.php

Minicar maker hopes U.S. is ready to give small a chance

By Mark Landler The New York Times

Published: June 28, 2006

FRANKFURT Are Americans finally ready to get Smart?

DaimlerChrysler, which shelved an earlier plan to bring the minicar
brand to the United States, was to announce Wednesday that it would
introduce the two-seat vehicle to the American market early in 2008,
according to several executives at the company.

The German-American carmaker is calculating that with stubbornly high
gasoline prices, mounting concerns about global warming and waning
interest in sport utility vehicles, U.S. drivers will welcome a car no
bigger than a large riding mower.

"Now is the right time to go to the U.S.," said a senior executive at
DaimlerChrysler, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the plans
were not yet public. "The world, and the U.S., has changed in the last
two years."

The Smart has won a hip image in European cities like Rome and Paris,
with their serpentine streets and snug parking spaces. It was recently
featured in the film "The Da Vinci Code" as well as in the remake of
"The Pink Panther," in which it served as the ride of choice for
Inspector Jacques Clouseau.

But DaimlerChrysler's management of Smart has been almost as hapless
as the fictional French policeman's driving habits. Since the first
car rolled off the assembly line in 1998, Smart has lost $3.6 billion,
according to analysts. Efforts to expand beyond the two-seat model,
known as the Fortwo, have misfired - sometimes undermining Smart's
image as a new-age city car in the process.

Among the stranger ideas, now discarded, was to introduce Smart to the
United States in the form of a pint-size sport utility vehicle.

"It's clear that no one is waiting for another SUV," the executive said.

After heavily promoting Smart's arrival at the Detroit auto show early
last year, DaimlerChrysler decided to delay an American debut. In
April 2005, it said it would eliminate two models - the ill-conceived
SUV and a widely derided roadster - and lay off 700 employees.

 http://www.smartcarofcanada.com/

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Re: [MBZ] 603 no start revisited.