[MBZ] Oil Sucker for Tranny Juice
Car is a 1979 240D automatic, 123 chassis. Want to see if any one has used a topsider to suck out old tranny fluid. Do I still need to rotate engine and remove drain plug? This job will include changing out filter unit as well. Any stories or hints you could share please? Regards Tom Scordato
[MBZ] 110 Chassis 200D Questions
110 Chassis 200D Questions Car is a 1968 200D Fin back. Any idea what is involved in fixing the windshield wiper transmission and fixing the heater vents and control valves? Need estimate on labor hours and complexity as well as approx $ parts if A) I did my self, B) MB did it. Regards Tom 1979 240D Courting other vehicles
[MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish
Hi, Alles. I was looking at my daughter's Toyota and noticed that the lenses are not as clear as they were, so, I was wondering if there is a product to polish/clear plastic head lamp lenses? Gapin idjit wantz 2 no. Fred Moir Lynn MA Dieselitis maximus
Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker for Tranny Juice
I used the $2 sucker to get the fluid out of my old Blazer (700R4) as the fill tube has a straight shot to the bottom of the pan. Cleaned out all but a little bit. I don't think you can do that with the 123 tranny, I vaguely recall trying and I don't think the suck hose will go down very far. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Car is a 1979 240D automatic, 123 chassis. Want to see if any one has used a topsider to suck out old tranny fluid. Do I still need to rotate engine and remove drain plug? This job will include changing out filter unit as well. Any stories or hints you could share please? Regards Tom Scordato
Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality
Hi Jim, You wrote:Sure. The quick way is to pull the plug off the GP relay and use a DMM to measure the resistance to ground of each one. The rated value is 0.6 ohms, though it can vary with temperature. The important part is that they all be about the same. Even better is to use a hefty ammeter to measure the current to each one. I just did that on the 190D a couple of days ago. Within a couple of seconds each one dropped from about 28A to under 20A, except for the bad one that was drawing about 2x normal current. (_That_ is a weird failure mode.) Most people don't own an ammeter that is good for more than 10A, however. Got my 2 new GPs today so tomorow I'll try to find out what the problem is. To refresh memory - I have new GPs and new GP relay - preglow light goes out within 1 sec. of turning the key) I got my DMM out and set it to Resistance - using a new GP I touched the threads at the top and the threads that contact the cylinder head - got a reading of .3 - then I crossed the leads and the reading was .0 - is it OK that my DMM doesn't have a reading greater than .0? How do I tell if my DMM will measure current in the range you mentioned -- I'm thinking I need at least a 30A max? But I think my DMM is good for 0A's - it's from Radio Shack -- Oh well, tomorrrow I'll check the GPs and see if any are much different from each other - Thanks - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ .[SNIP]
Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker for Tranny Juice
I used an old washing machine hose over the dip stick tube to remove the excess fluid, good fit. It worked very good because the tube goes down to the pan. I don't think you will drain the converter this way though. In addition you should change the filter. I was a little worried that the vacumn might disturb some small parts in the tranny. Anthony On 11/1/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used the $2 sucker to get the fluid out of my old Blazer (700R4) as the fill tube has a straight shot to the bottom of the pan. Cleaned out all but a little bit. I don't think you can do that with the 123 tranny, I vaguely recall trying and I don't think the suck hose will go down very far. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Car is a 1979 240D automatic, 123 chassis. Want to see if any one has used a topsider to suck out old tranny fluid. Do I still need to rotate engine and remove drain plug? This job will include changing out filter unit as well. Any stories or hints you could share please? Regards Tom Scordato ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Anthony
[MBZ] these people are on crack
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-190D-2-2-1984-Mercedes-Benz-190D-2-2-5-Speed-Diesel-RARE_W0QQitemZ230045584693QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6335QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 02 00:55:02 2006 Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net ([204.127.203.211]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GfQrG-oi-29 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:55:02 + Received: from lono2.leadingchange.com (12-216-11-137.client.mchsi.com[12.216.11.137]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with SMTP id 20061102005453m9100emuoce; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:54:53 + Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:48:51 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] 110 Chassis 200D Questions X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:55:02 - If the wiper motor is cycling, and the wipers don't move, most likely you only need to tighten the nut on the wiper motor shaft. An easy job from under the dash behind the glove box. If the paper under dash liner is still there, you will need to remove and replace it. Check to be sure the wipers move freely before tightening it down. If one or both of the wipers are stiff, then try lubing the shafts. to do this, remove the wiper arms and then remove the chrome cover. If one of the shafts are frozen, you have a bigger problem. I had to remove the whole wiper transmission and do some surgery to get one of them going. NOT fun... It is easier to change the blower motor. Heater valves: remove the under dash cover, if it is still there. Drain the radiator. If you only need to work on the valves, you are ok to proceed. BUT there are 2 short pieces of hose between the hot water manifold in front of the firewall, and the heater valves. If these have not been changed in 10 years or so, you want to change them now, before they leak! To do this, unhook the hoses going to the heater, 2 from the manifold and 1 for the return. Un hook the moose antlers (defroster ducts) then remove the control cables from the heater, being careful to note where everything goes. Take out the bolt holding the heater to the dash, up on top, near the rim of the blower fan. You can then remove the whole heater/fan unit, replace/repair/lube the fan motor, replace the 2 short hoses and work on the heater valves in a comfortable position. Heater valves: Easy! take the screw out, remove the lever plate and the retainer plate. Put the screw back in part way, and remove the core, being careful to mark which side of the square lug that holds the lever and retainer is UP. Once you have the cores out, clean them and go to your local hardware store and get new orings (4) unless you had the foresight to order them from Rusty. While there, get some water pump grease or waterproof grease. Install the orings, grease the barrels and reinstall. If you lubed the fan motor and replaced the hoses, you should be good for another 10-20 years. Good time to flush the cooling system while you are there, then refill the radiator. Happy klattering At 06:10 PM 11/1/2006, you wrote: 110 Chassis 200D Questions Car is a 1968 200D Fin back. Any idea what is involved in fixing the windshield wiper transmission and fixing the heater vents and control valves? Need estimate on labor hours and complexity as well as approx $ parts if A) I did my self, B) MB did it. Regards Tom 1979 240D Courting other vehicles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] '79 Euro-spec W107 heat issue
Right! It doesn't have ACC - and if it did, it would have the dreaded servo (like mine does). I think the possibilities are a bad valve (manual - like a 240D), broken cable controlling the valve, can't think of much else in a manual heater system. Since he has heat all the time, water is flowing - On 11/1/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, you're saying this vehicle doesn't have a mono-valve, then? On 11/1/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: could be that the cable is broken between the lever and the valve. Casey -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] '79 Euro-spec W107 heat issue
Oh, I wasn't sure if the later models all used a mono-valve, whether ACC or not. So, $600 seems a tad high to fix what shouldn't be all that much work, eh? Glenn Brown sent me a nifty pic of the heater valve in his '76 W107, but it's obviously vacuum operated, with no cables at all. On 11/1/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right! It doesn't have ACC - and if it did, it would have the dreaded servo (like mine does). I think the possibilities are a bad valve (manual - like a 240D), broken cable controlling the valve, can't think of much else in a manual heater system. Since he has heat all the time, water is flowing - Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane injection #22 (219k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode
no, those are 121hp, you are wrong :) Michael Hall wrote: More specifically, it was was 81-85 300SD with the turbo 617 with ~120hp -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] SDL motor mounts.
that is correct. Its a very easy job though, plenty of room with the 603 Loren Faeth wrote: I finally ordered new mounts for my SDL, and went out to size up the job. I quickly concluded it ain't as simple as on the 110,111,108,123 cars. I could do the 200D mounts from on top in a few minutes with a bottle jack under the oil pan. I have gathered that I should put the SDL front up on ramps, then use a floor jack to support the engine, and that the big bolts have to be taken out from below, and the small allen bolts from above/below as the case may be. Can anyone who has BTDT give any pointers, or tell me any gotchas? How long should it take? Being cold weather now, I am not looking forward to crawling under the car for what I used to be able to do topside. Loren 86 SDL, 400k on 14 head ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT, banking
N, really? BTW, thanks for passing along to Ms B Frank Pembleton wrote: Here's the deal. BEFORE THE CHECK YOU WRITE IS CASHED, YOU MUST HAVE THE MONEY IN YOUR ACCOUNT. _ Frank Pembleton other half of 15 year bank manager; former transporter of checks via the Federal Reserve Intermodal Transportation System Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, Cox Auto Trader Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:57 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT, banking Anybody here in the banking business or know about it? If so, email me offlist ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), I have some technical questions about the way checks are processed these days (ach etc). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT, banking
no LT Don wrote: I spent two years doing internal-customer computer support for Barnett Bank out of a cubicle in Jacksonville FL. Does that count? On 10/31/06, Kaleb C. Striplin, Cox Auto Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody here in the banking business or know about it? If so, email me offlist ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), I have some technical questions about the way checks are processed these days (ach etc). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode
Yeah, but I watched the episode and back calculated, by the resonant frequency attained at the peak in the power band as it corresponded with the highest amplitude wave pattern generated by the turbo and factoring an appropriate depreciative value of the transmission [which I calculated during the episode in which they used veggie oil as a fuel] that the ACTUAL HP figure that THAT PARTICULAR engine is ~120hp. EAT IT UP, Mike On 11/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, those are 121hp, you are wrong :) Michael Hall wrote: More specifically, it was was 81-85 300SD with the turbo 617 with ~120hp -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '79 Euro-spec W107 heat issue
Could be vacuum operated - I've never seen a manual heat system in a 107. His is a '79 - so it would use the old servo. Yes - the later ones use the mono valve (after '83?). On 11/1/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I wasn't sure if the later models all used a mono-valve, whether ACC or not. So, $600 seems a tad high to fix what shouldn't be all that much work, eh? Glenn Brown sent me a nifty pic of the heater valve in his '76 W107, but it's obviously vacuum operated, with no cables at all. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality
Got my 2 new GPs today so tomorow I'll try to find out what the problem is. To refresh memory - I have new GPs and new GP relay - preglow light goes out within 1 sec. of turning the key) That sounds like a problem internal to the GP relay. These things are likely NOS, not new-new, and the timing capacitor could have aged to death before you ever got it. I got my DMM out and set it to Resistance - using a new GP I touched the threads at the top and the threads that contact the cylinder head - got a reading of .3 - then I crossed the leads and the reading was .0 - is it OK that my DMM doesn't have a reading greater than .0? Yes, you just cross the leads to find out what its idea of zero is, and then subtract that from your reading. How do I tell if my DMM will measure current in the range you mentioned -- Was it exceedingly expensive? Then maybe. It's usually clearly written on the face somewhere, if it does current at all. I'm thinking I need at least a 30A max? But I think my DMM is good for 0A's - it's from Radio Shack -- Most DMM's have a 10A current scale, if they have anything at all. To measure more requires a shunt, rarely seen these days, or a relatively expensive clamp-on DC ammeter probe. Even my $300 Fluke only goes to 10A without the 400A external probe (another $200 IIRC). Attempts to measure more than 10A results in blowing its internal fuse, an item that costs more than an entire DMM from Harbor Freight. An old-fashioned charging gauge from the auto parts store could work, those are usually 60A over a half-scale, so are a bit too crude to get a good measurement off of. It would have detected my one bad one that had 2x normal current, however. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish
I was looking at my daughter's Toyota and noticed that the lenses are not as clear as they were, so, I was wondering if there is a product to polish/clear plastic head lamp lenses? Dollar bills, applied in quantity, seem to be about the only thing that actually works. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] '79 Euro-spec W107 heat issue
Spoke with a co-worker yesterday about his '79 Euro-spec W107. It has A/C, but manual climate controls. He says his driver side heat is always on, which I thought was a standard default for a failed mono-valve, but I don't know if the manuals come with those. If this '79 is like our US-issue '76, the manual system has a vacuum-controlled water valve. When either heat lever is lifted off of MIN, a vacuum bleed valve is opened up resulting in the water valve actuator being released, letting hot water go through (both sides) of the heater core. Air blend flaps are then used to modulate the temperatures on both sides. The local indie quoted him ~$600 to fix the problem, which seems to be a bit ridiculous if it's just a mono-valve. Any thoughts? I'd likely charge more, if the problem requires new vacuum valves or anything like that, because the console has to come out. (Which requires the seats to come out first, etc.) With luck it's just a broken water valve dingus, which is trivial to replace under the hood. Oh, and the adjustment levers have tightening screws on their pivots, IIRC, if they come loose the lever moves without moving the air blend flaps, and I suppose the vacuum valve too. That's just a nut to tighten, it may be that this can be done from the front with the console in place. (You'll have to remove the HVAC face panel, of course.) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality
30-0-30 ammeter. On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:33:54 -0600, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got my 2 new GPs today so tomorow I'll try to find out what the problem is. To refresh memory - I have new GPs and new GP relay - preglow light goes out within 1 sec. of turning the key) That sounds like a problem internal to the GP relay. These things are likely NOS, not new-new, and the timing capacitor could have aged to death before you ever got it. I got my DMM out and set it to Resistance - using a new GP I touched the threads at the top and the threads that contact the cylinder head - got a reading of .3 - then I crossed the leads and the reading was .0 - is it OK that my DMM doesn't have a reading greater than .0? Yes, you just cross the leads to find out what its idea of zero is, and then subtract that from your reading. How do I tell if my DMM will measure current in the range you mentioned -- Was it exceedingly expensive? Then maybe. It's usually clearly written on the face somewhere, if it does current at all. I'm thinking I need at least a 30A max? But I think my DMM is good for 0A's - it's from Radio Shack -- Most DMM's have a 10A current scale, if they have anything at all. To measure more requires a shunt, rarely seen these days, or a relatively expensive clamp-on DC ammeter probe. Even my $300 Fluke only goes to 10A without the 400A external probe (another $200 IIRC). Attempts to measure more than 10A results in blowing its internal fuse, an item that costs more than an entire DMM from Harbor Freight. An old-fashioned charging gauge from the auto parts store could work, those are usually 60A over a half-scale, so are a bit too crude to get a good measurement off of. It would have detected my one bad one that had 2x normal current, however. -- Jim -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] '79 Euro-spec W107 heat issue
At last - someone who knows what he's talking about! If this '79 is like our US-issue '76, the manual system has a vacuum-controlled water valve. When either heat lever is lifted off of MIN, a vacuum bleed valve is opened up resulting in the water valve actuator being released, letting hot water go through (both sides) of the heater core. Air blend flaps are then used to modulate the temperatures on both sides. The local indie quoted him ~$600 to fix the problem, which seems to be a bit ridiculous if it's just a mono-valve. Any thoughts? I'd likely charge more, if the problem requires new vacuum valves or anything like that, because the console has to come out. (Which requires the seats to come out first, etc.) With luck it's just a broken water valve dingus, which is trivial to replace under the hood. Oh, and the adjustment levers have tightening screws on their pivots, IIRC, if they come loose the lever moves without moving the air blend flaps, and I suppose the vacuum valve too. That's just a nut to tighten, it may be that this can be done from the front with the console in place. (You'll have to remove the HVAC face panel, of course.) -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Nebraska Gump
Just about, but this one has more rust than Gump. Nice car if it really does run On Oct 31, 2006, at 6:25 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-MERCEDES-BENZ-220D- SEDAN_W0QQitemZ300041832613QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6335QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrd Z1QQcmdZViewItem Looks a little rusty.. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] FW: Ultra Low sulfur Diesel
Great for fermenting home brew in as well On Nov 1, 2006, at 9:54 AM, ernest breakfield wrote: a sort of jug; generally seen around Biodiesel circles in 5 Gal varieties. http://www.metacrawler.com/info.metac/search/web/carboy/1/-/1/-/-/-/ 1/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/- /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/417/top/-/-/-/1 as for mixing, BioD splash mixes with #2 very easily, and very well. cheers! e Zoltan Finks wrote: Ernest, what's a carboy container? Brian Ernest wrote: if you're concerned about lubricity of ULSD (which i wouldn't be with our cars), buy a carboy container or 2 to bring home some BioD in. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker for Tranny Juice
I used the sucker in the e300d with no trouble. Also suck it out of the manual trans in Gump. Do remove and replace the filter on AT if you are going to drain the TC. I did not bother when just changing out the fluid without filter. On Nov 1, 2006, at 4:35 PM, Anthony Galioto wrote: I used an old washing machine hose over the dip stick tube to remove the excess fluid, good fit. It worked very good because the tube goes down to the pan. I don't think you will drain the converter this way though. In addition you should change the filter. I was a little worried that the vacumn might disturb some small parts in the tranny. Anthony On 11/1/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used the $2 sucker to get the fluid out of my old Blazer (700R4) as the fill tube has a straight shot to the bottom of the pan. Cleaned out all but a little bit. I don't think you can do that with the 123 tranny, I vaguely recall trying and I don't think the suck hose will go down very far. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Car is a 1979 240D automatic, 123 chassis. Want to see if any one has used a topsider to suck out old tranny fluid. Do I still need to rotate engine and remove drain plug? This job will include changing out filter unit as well. Any stories or hints you could share please? Regards Tom Scordato ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Anthony ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish
I was looking at my daughter's Toyota and noticed that the lenses are not as clear as they were, so, I was wondering if there is a product to polish/clear plastic head lamp lenses? Dollar bills, applied in quantity, seem to be about the only thing that actually works. -- Jim --- Doesn't jewelers rouge give a mirror finish? Seems like that might work if you can find it. Gerry
Re: [MBZ] 110 Chassis 200D Questions
Loren thanks a million. A person in CA who is trying to sell me a $7K 200D car said oh it takes the dexterity of a gymnast like Olga Korbit to do these jobs. You have put an air of DIY realism I can live with. Regards Tom Regards - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 110 Chassis 200D Questions If the wiper motor is cycling, and the wipers don't move, most likely you only need to tighten the nut on the wiper motor shaft. An easy job from under the dash behind the glove box. If the paper under dash liner is still there, you will need to remove and replace it. Check to be sure the wipers move freely before tightening it down. If one or both of the wipers are stiff, then try lubing the shafts. to do this, remove the wiper arms and then remove the chrome cover. If one of the shafts are frozen, you have a bigger problem. I had to remove the whole wiper transmission and do some surgery to get one of them going. NOT fun... It is easier to change the blower motor. Heater valves: remove the under dash cover, if it is still there. Drain the radiator. If you only need to work on the valves, you are ok to proceed. BUT there are 2 short pieces of hose between the hot water manifold in front of the firewall, and the heater valves. If these have not been changed in 10 years or so, you want to change them now, before they leak! To do this, unhook the hoses going to the heater, 2 from the manifold and 1 for the return. Un hook the moose antlers (defroster ducts) then remove the control cables from the heater, being careful to note where everything goes. Take out the bolt holding the heater to the dash, up on top, near the rim of the blower fan. You can then remove the whole heater/fan unit, replace/repair/lube the fan motor, replace the 2 short hoses and work on the heater valves in a comfortable position. Heater valves: Easy! take the screw out, remove the lever plate and the retainer plate. Put the screw back in part way, and remove the core, being careful to mark which side of the square lug that holds the lever and retainer is UP. Once you have the cores out, clean them and go to your local hardware store and get new orings (4) unless you had the foresight to order them from Rusty. While there, get some water pump grease or waterproof grease. Install the orings, grease the barrels and reinstall. If you lubed the fan motor and replaced the hoses, you should be good for another 10-20 years. Good time to flush the cooling system while you are there, then refill the radiator. Happy klattering At 06:10 PM 11/1/2006, you wrote: 110 Chassis 200D Questions Car is a 1968 200D Fin back. Any idea what is involved in fixing the windshield wiper transmission and fixing the heater vents and control valves? Need estimate on labor hours and complexity as well as approx $ parts if A) I did my self, B) MB did it. Regards Tom 1979 240D Courting other vehicles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker for Tranny Juice
Thanks Redghost ak Anthony!/Tom - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker for Tranny Juice I used the sucker in the e300d with no trouble. Also suck it out of the manual trans in Gump. Do remove and replace the filter on AT if you are going to drain the TC. I did not bother when just changing out the fluid without filter. On Nov 1, 2006, at 4:35 PM, Anthony Galioto wrote: I used an old washing machine hose over the dip stick tube to remove the excess fluid, good fit. It worked very good because the tube goes down to the pan. I don't think you will drain the converter this way though. In addition you should change the filter. I was a little worried that the vacumn might disturb some small parts in the tranny. Anthony On 11/1/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used the $2 sucker to get the fluid out of my old Blazer (700R4) as the fill tube has a straight shot to the bottom of the pan. Cleaned out all but a little bit. I don't think you can do that with the 123 tranny, I vaguely recall trying and I don't think the suck hose will go down very far. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Car is a 1979 240D automatic, 123 chassis. Want to see if any one has used a topsider to suck out old tranny fluid. Do I still need to rotate engine and remove drain plug? This job will include changing out filter unit as well. Any stories or hints you could share please? Regards Tom Scordato ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Anthony ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish
There was a product that we used to use to polish up aircraft windows and the windshield (which are Plexiglas) - I think it was a Maguires plastic polish or something like that. It might help. The headlight lenses on my wife's '97 Plymouth van are getting quite foggy and I was thinking about trying to find some for it. Though I suspect that Jim is right --- On 11/2/06, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking at my daughter's Toyota and noticed that the lenses are not as clear as they were, so, I was wondering if there is a product to polish/clear plastic head lamp lenses? Dollar bills, applied in quantity, seem to be about the only thing that actually works. -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish
I have heard that you can use toothpaste, though I have not yet tried it. I plan to check it out on my granddaughter's Celica soon. If anyone comes up with a GOOD solution, please post. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:23 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish There was a product that we used to use to polish up aircraft windows and the windshield (which are Plexiglas) - I think it was a Maguires plastic polish or something like that. It might help. The headlight lenses on my wife's '97 Plymouth van are getting quite foggy and I was thinking about trying to find some for it. Though I suspect that Jim is right --- On 11/2/06, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking at my daughter's Toyota and noticed that the lenses are not as clear as they were, so, I was wondering if there is a product to polish/clear plastic head lamp lenses? Dollar bills, applied in quantity, seem to be about the only thing that actually works. -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] What did I do ?
Last week I changed the vac. fuel shut-off on my E300D. In order to do this I had to remove the ADA pot on the IP. Now my wife complains the car shifts very harsh and makes a big clunk doing so. I don't think I knocked the trans. modulator vac. line off because when I tried it I noticed it gets a little smoother when easing off the pedal. Can I test the line without removing the intake crossover ? If I put a Mityvac on the modulator end of the line, shouldn't it hold vacuum at throttle off ? -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish
A friend did this on his motorcycle windshield. It worked, but didn't last. On 11/2/06, Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard that you can use toothpaste, though I have not yet tried it. I plan to check it out on my granddaughter's Celica soon. If anyone comes up with a GOOD solution, please post. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:23 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish There was a product that we used to use to polish up aircraft windows and the windshield (which are Plexiglas) - I think it was a Maguires plastic polish or something like that. It might help. The headlight lenses on my wife's '97 Plymouth van are getting quite foggy and I was thinking about trying to find some for it. Though I suspect that Jim is right --- On 11/2/06, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking at my daughter's Toyota and noticed that the lenses are not as clear as they were, so, I was wondering if there is a product to polish/clear plastic head lamp lenses? Dollar bills, applied in quantity, seem to be about the only thing that actually works. -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish
I was looking at my daughter's Toyota and noticed that the lenses are not as clear as they were, so, I was wondering if there is a product to polish/clear plastic head lamp lenses? Dollar bills, applied in quantity, seem to be about the only thing that actually works. -- Jim --- Doesn't jewelers rouge give a mirror finish? Seems like that might work if you can find it. There are any number of polishing compounds, including McGuire's, rouge, toothpaste, etc. But the usual problem(s) with headlights are that either 1) the plastic is getting rather pitted with rock bites, in which case the pits are relatively deep and you're talking about removing a measurable amount of material, or 2) it's getting discolored, in which case no amount of polishing will do anything, it's a change in the bulk material. If they're glass #2 doesn't apply, but #1 sure does! The switch at the front of cars away from hard chrome and (hard) inexpensive replaceable glass to modular plastic profit centers was pure evil! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] What did I do ?
Now my wife complains the car shifts very harsh and makes a big clunk doing so. I don't think I knocked the trans. modulator vac. line off because when I tried it I noticed it gets a little smoother when easing off the pedal. You affected it somehow. The vacuum valve on the IP is intended to roughly simulate the effect of gasser manifold vacuum (with throttle) for feeding to the tranny. It's adjustable over a range, too. Can I test the line without removing the intake crossover ? If I put a Mityvac on the modulator end of the line, shouldn't it hold vacuum at throttle off ? Yes. But make sure you're on the tranny line and not the one that goes first to the IP, it has a controlled (and throttle-position-sensitive) bleed on it. You may have knocked a line off elsewhere that due to the natural restrictions of small-diameter line has resulted in a lessening of the vacuum supply in the car, but not enough to disable anything. That would throw the calibration of the IP dingus off. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker for Tranny Juice
That's a good idea, I did not think the tube goes all the way to the bottom of the pan though (or there was something in the way). Next time I take it off I'll have to check. On the GM tranny, the tube stops before the bottom, but it points there, and the suck tube can slide all the way to the bottom. --R Anthony Galioto wrote: I used an old washing machine hose over the dip stick tube to remove the excess fluid, good fit. It worked very good because the tube goes down to the pan. I don't think you will drain the converter this way though. In addition you should change the filter. I was a little worried that the vacumn might disturb some small parts in the tranny. Anthony On 11/1/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used the $2 sucker to get the fluid out of my old Blazer (700R4) as the fill tube has a straight shot to the bottom of the pan. Cleaned out all but a little bit. I don't think you can do that with the 123 tranny, I vaguely recall trying and I don't think the suck hose will go down very far. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Car is a 1979 240D automatic, 123 chassis. Want to see if any one has used a topsider to suck out old tranny fluid. Do I still need to rotate engine and remove drain plug? This job will include changing out filter unit as well. Any stories or hints you could share please? Regards Tom Scordato ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What did I do ?
Thanks Jim. Finally I read the test procedure correct. On the SML they show doing the test at the control valve. I mixed the lines coming and going up though, so it didn't make good sense. Vacuum should be @ 350mb at idle w/ throttle off, and 0 at full throttle. I was concerned that the ADA may be position critical since it had a paint mark on the swivel nut. But than, it could not affect the tranny what so ever. On 11/2/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now my wife complains the car shifts very harsh and makes a big clunk doing so. I don't think I knocked the trans. modulator vac. line off because when I tried it I noticed it gets a little smoother when easing off the pedal. You affected it somehow. The vacuum valve on the IP is intended to roughly simulate the effect of gasser manifold vacuum (with throttle) for feeding to the tranny. It's adjustable over a range, too. Can I test the line without removing the intake crossover ? If I put a Mityvac on the modulator end of the line, shouldn't it hold vacuum at throttle off ? Yes. But make sure you're on the tranny line and not the one that goes first to the IP, it has a controlled (and throttle-position-sensitive) bleed on it. You may have knocked a line off elsewhere that due to the natural restrictions of small-diameter line has resulted in a lessening of the vacuum supply in the car, but not enough to disable anything. That would throw the calibration of the IP dingus off. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] 110 Chassis 200D Questions
You are better to DIY over a dealer, because you already know more about doing it than anyone at a dealer. It is a good job for a nice Saturday. If you buy a CA car, make sure they check the antifreeze and bring it up to spec before it is shipped or before you take off driving it. Otherwise your prize could end up with a cracked block right off. Pulling the heater in a 110/111 is not that bad. it is much more straightforward than trying to do it on a car with factory air. Oh, if the 200D has a/c you will need to unbolt the underdash unit and lay it aside for the job. Again, not hard. At 05:30 AM 11/2/2006, you wrote: Loren thanks a million. A person in CA who is trying to sell me a $7K 200D car said oh it takes the dexterity of a gymnast like Olga Korbit to do these jobs. You have put an air of DIY realism I can live with. Regards Tom Regards - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 110 Chassis 200D Questions If the wiper motor is cycling, and the wipers don't move, most likely you only need to tighten the nut on the wiper motor shaft. An easy job from under the dash behind the glove box. If the paper under dash liner is still there, you will need to remove and replace it. Check to be sure the wipers move freely before tightening it down. If one or both of the wipers are stiff, then try lubing the shafts. to do this, remove the wiper arms and then remove the chrome cover. If one of the shafts are frozen, you have a bigger problem. I had to remove the whole wiper transmission and do some surgery to get one of them going. NOT fun... It is easier to change the blower motor. Heater valves: remove the under dash cover, if it is still there. Drain the radiator. If you only need to work on the valves, you are ok to proceed. BUT there are 2 short pieces of hose between the hot water manifold in front of the firewall, and the heater valves. If these have not been changed in 10 years or so, you want to change them now, before they leak! To do this, unhook the hoses going to the heater, 2 from the manifold and 1 for the return. Un hook the moose antlers (defroster ducts) then remove the control cables from the heater, being careful to note where everything goes. Take out the bolt holding the heater to the dash, up on top, near the rim of the blower fan. You can then remove the whole heater/fan unit, replace/repair/lube the fan motor, replace the 2 short hoses and work on the heater valves in a comfortable position. Heater valves: Easy! take the screw out, remove the lever plate and the retainer plate. Put the screw back in part way, and remove the core, being careful to mark which side of the square lug that holds the lever and retainer is UP. Once you have the cores out, clean them and go to your local hardware store and get new orings (4) unless you had the foresight to order them from Rusty. While there, get some water pump grease or waterproof grease. Install the orings, grease the barrels and reinstall. If you lubed the fan motor and replaced the hoses, you should be good for another 10-20 years. Good time to flush the cooling system while you are there, then refill the radiator. Happy klattering At 06:10 PM 11/1/2006, you wrote: 110 Chassis 200D Questions Car is a 1968 200D Fin back. Any idea what is involved in fixing the windshield wiper transmission and fixing the heater vents and control valves? Need estimate on labor hours and complexity as well as approx $ parts if A) I did my self, B) MB did it. Regards Tom 1979 240D Courting other vehicles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker for Tranny Juice
Why not disconnecting the return line at the cooler and hooking up the sucker there? Still won't drain the converter. On 11/2/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a good idea, I did not think the tube goes all the way to the bottom of the pan though (or there was something in the way). Next time I take it off I'll have to check. On the GM tranny, the tube stops before the bottom, but it points there, and the suck tube can slide all the way to the bottom. --R Anthony Galioto wrote: I used an old washing machine hose over the dip stick tube to remove the excess fluid, good fit. It worked very good because the tube goes down to the pan. I don't think you will drain the converter this way though. In addition you should change the filter. I was a little worried that the vacumn might disturb some small parts in the tranny. Anthony On 11/1/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used the $2 sucker to get the fluid out of my old Blazer (700R4) as the fill tube has a straight shot to the bottom of the pan. Cleaned out all but a little bit. I don't think you can do that with the 123 tranny, I vaguely recall trying and I don't think the suck hose will go down very far. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Car is a 1979 240D automatic, 123 chassis. Want to see if any one has used a topsider to suck out old tranny fluid. Do I still need to rotate engine and remove drain plug? This job will include changing out filter unit as well. Any stories or hints you could share please? Regards Tom Scordato ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
[MBZ] SCL 600
Check this out. The last two pictures tell me this is good for my grandson, not for me. http://www.autolanka.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=862 -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish
Last year i had to buy a NEW$$$ right headlight for my SDL after the nighttime pheasant attack. After theat, the right headlight is noticeably brighter than the left. Moral of the story: even glass headlights loose effectiveness over 18-20 years. The fix: Cathey's original statement. Only dollar bills applied generously, can clear the headlights. At 08:23 AM 11/2/2006, you wrote: I was looking at my daughter's Toyota and noticed that the lenses are not as clear as they were, so, I was wondering if there is a product to polish/clear plastic head lamp lenses? Dollar bills, applied in quantity, seem to be about the only thing that actually works. -- Jim --- Doesn't jewelers rouge give a mirror finish? Seems like that might work if you can find it. There are any number of polishing compounds, including McGuire's, rouge, toothpaste, etc. But the usual problem(s) with headlights are that either 1) the plastic is getting rather pitted with rock bites, in which case the pits are relatively deep and you're talking about removing a measurable amount of material, or 2) it's getting discolored, in which case no amount of polishing will do anything, it's a change in the bulk material. If they're glass #2 doesn't apply, but #1 sure does! The switch at the front of cars away from hard chrome and (hard) inexpensive replaceable glass to modular plastic profit centers was pure evil! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] SCL 600
The old chrysler pushbutton transmission returns. The first thing MB got from chrysler, the ACC servo, is notorious for being the worst piece of crap mb ever put in a car. No thanks At 09:10 AM 11/2/2006, you wrote: Check this out. The last two pictures tell me this is good for my grandson, not for me. http://www.autolanka.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=862 -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish
Foggy plastic headlights can be fixed by spraying clear coat over them. I have a friend who is a used car dealer and it is amazing just to see what it will do. IT works great on W126 fog lights. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:23 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish I was looking at my daughter's Toyota and noticed that the lenses are not as clear as they were, so, I was wondering if there is a product to polish/clear plastic head lamp lenses? Dollar bills, applied in quantity, seem to be about the only thing that actually works. -- Jim --- Doesn't jewelers rouge give a mirror finish? Seems like that might work if you can find it. There are any number of polishing compounds, including McGuire's, rouge, toothpaste, etc. But the usual problem(s) with headlights are that either 1) the plastic is getting rather pitted with rock bites, in which case the pits are relatively deep and you're talking about removing a measurable amount of material, or 2) it's getting discolored, in which case no amount of polishing will do anything, it's a change in the bulk material. If they're glass #2 doesn't apply, but #1 sure does! The switch at the front of cars away from hard chrome and (hard) inexpensive replaceable glass to modular plastic profit centers was pure evil! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rare AMG W123
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5-spd_W0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
I'm still waiting for someone to show me an AMG W123 diesel... (: Levi On 11/2/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5-spd_W0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
It's rare alright. They never made a 280E AMG, it's just a homemade version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5-spd_W 0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Nice wheels, what are they? I don't see many styling cues Euro lights and perhaps lower body cladding and a slight chin spoiler? Very understated. Would look good on my coupe. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT
Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality
you wrote:new GPs and new GP relay - preglow light goes out within 1 sec. of turning the key) That sounds like a problem internal to the GP relay Jim, Cosider this: It starts instantly - after I count to 10 before firing it up - so it *is* pre-glowing the GPs. Else it would be hard to start. When it starts, it seems as though 1 cylinder is not firing until ~10 seconds after the engine starts - which makes me think it's a GP or the wiring - It this a good assumption? If the Relay were at fault - especially the timer - wouldn;t it be hard to start (or not start at all) if the GPs were not pre-glowing? One other observation - after the car starts while I'm keeping the revs at ~1000 maybe 45 seconds after it starts, I noticed the interior lights get brighter - I take this to mean the GPs have turned-off. Is this likely? as always - TIA! Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality Got my 2 new GPs today so tomorow I'll try to find out what the problem is. To refresh memory - I have new GPs and new GP relay - preglow light goes out within 1 sec. of turning the key) That sounds like a problem internal to the GP relay. These things are likely NOS, not new-new, and the timing capacitor could have aged to death before you ever got it. I got my DMM out and set it to Resistance - using a new GP I touched the threads at the top and the threads that contact the cylinder head - got a reading of .3 - then I crossed the leads and the reading was .0 - is it OK that my DMM doesn't have a reading greater than .0? Yes, you just cross the leads to find out what its idea of zero is, and then subtract that from your reading. How do I tell if my DMM will measure current in the range you mentioned -- Was it exceedingly expensive? Then maybe. It's usually clearly written on the face somewhere, if it does current at all. I'm thinking I need at least a 30A max? But I think my DMM is good for 0A's - it's from Radio Shack -- Most DMM's have a 10A current scale, if they have anything at all. To measure more requires a shunt, rarely seen these days, or a relatively expensive clamp-on DC ammeter probe. Even my $300 Fluke only goes to 10A without the 400A external probe (another $200 IIRC). Attempts to measure more than 10A results in blowing its internal fuse, an item that costs more than an entire DMM from Harbor Freight. An old-fashioned charging gauge from the auto parts store could work, those are usually 60A over a half-scale, so are a bit too crude to get a good measurement off of. It would have detected my one bad one that had 2x normal current, however. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.23/513 - Release Date: 11/2/2006
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
I have [or had at some point] a brochure from AMG in pdf format that disagrees. It shows offerings of body kits for at least the 123 coupe and sedan, but nothing about engine conversions. I'll try to dig it up when I get home. No, its not from AllData. Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rare alright. They never made a 280E AMG, it's just a homemade version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5-spd_W 0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
Body kits yes. Engines enhancements no. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 I have [or had at some point] a brochure from AMG in pdf format that disagrees. It shows offerings of body kits for at least the 123 coupe and sedan, but nothing about engine conversions. I'll try to dig it up when I get home. No, its not from AllData. Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rare alright. They never made a 280E AMG, it's just a homemade version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5-spd_W 0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
Right, well no one said this car had engine enhancements, but a Euro spec M110 with a 5 speed should be a fun drive! I'm pretty sure AMG stuck the 5 liter version of their DOHC Hammer motor in a 123 coupe. It was probably a one-off, like most AMG offerings of the time; I saw a picture of one banging around a track, particularly menacing with its dual exhausts. Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Body kits yes. Engines enhancements no. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 I have [or had at some point] a brochure from AMG in pdf format that disagrees. It shows offerings of body kits for at least the 123 coupe and sedan, but nothing about engine conversions. I'll try to dig it up when I get home. No, its not from AllData. Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rare alright. They never made a 280E AMG, it's just a homemade version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5-spd_W 0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
You could buy spare parts, spoilers, wheels side skirts, etc from AMG in the 80's, but AMG was not affiliated with Mercedes at that time and didn't assemble these cars. You bought the parts and had it done yourself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 I have [or had at some point] a brochure from AMG in pdf format that disagrees. It shows offerings of body kits for at least the 123 coupe and sedan, but nothing about engine conversions. I'll try to dig it up when I get home. No, its not from AllData. Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rare alright. They never made a 280E AMG, it's just a homemade version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5-spd_W 0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SCL 600
I agree wholeheartedly with you. But the trend to use non serviceable gizmo's which barely survive the warranty periode is wide spread nowadays. I have a '97 Riviera, only make my wife ever considered driving until the E300D came along: The security system is defeated because of faults. The memory feature for the seats and mirrors is kaput. The horn would be on full time if it wasn't for the removed fuse - requires replacement of the airbag module ($ 850 for the part). The automatic lights go out when passing by a mall at night and will not come back on - dealer prognosis: replace all associated components, like module, multi-function switch, sensor and what not ($ 600+ in parts). My '82 300SD does pretty well, considering. On 11/2/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The old chrysler pushbutton transmission returns. The first thing MB got from chrysler, the ACC servo, is notorious for being the worst piece of crap mb ever put in a car. No thanks At 09:10 AM 11/2/2006, you wrote: Check this out. The last two pictures tell me this is good for my grandson, not for me. http://www.autolanka.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=862 -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish
That makes sense. Good to know. On 11/2/06, Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Foggy plastic headlights can be fixed by spraying clear coat over them. I have a friend who is a used car dealer and it is amazing just to see what it will do. IT works great on W126 fog lights. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:23 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish I was looking at my daughter's Toyota and noticed that the lenses are not as clear as they were, so, I was wondering if there is a product to polish/clear plastic head lamp lenses? Dollar bills, applied in quantity, seem to be about the only thing that actually works. -- Jim --- Doesn't jewelers rouge give a mirror finish? Seems like that might work if you can find it. There are any number of polishing compounds, including McGuire's, rouge, toothpaste, etc. But the usual problem(s) with headlights are that either 1) the plastic is getting rather pitted with rock bites, in which case the pits are relatively deep and you're talking about removing a measurable amount of material, or 2) it's getting discolored, in which case no amount of polishing will do anything, it's a change in the bulk material. If they're glass #2 doesn't apply, but #1 sure does! The switch at the front of cars away from hard chrome and (hard) inexpensive replaceable glass to modular plastic profit centers was pure evil! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] SCL 600
Well, I could comment on how almost perfect my two 97' Subaru's have been for about the last 7 years and hundreds of thousands of miles. But then they don't have any of the features you listed except for the horn(though they do work perfectly and have never had a problem). Levi (: On 11/2/06, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree wholeheartedly with you. But the trend to use non serviceable gizmo's which barely survive the warranty periode is wide spread nowadays. I have a '97 Riviera, only make my wife ever considered driving until the E300D came along: The security system is defeated because of faults. The memory feature for the seats and mirrors is kaput. The horn would be on full time if it wasn't for the removed fuse - requires replacement of the airbag module ($ 850 for the part). The automatic lights go out when passing by a mall at night and will not come back on - dealer prognosis: replace all associated components, like module, multi-function switch, sensor and what not ($ 600+ in parts). My '82 300SD does pretty well, considering. On 11/2/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The old chrysler pushbutton transmission returns. The first thing MB got from chrysler, the ACC servo, is notorious for being the worst piece of crap mb ever put in a car. No thanks At 09:10 AM 11/2/2006, you wrote: Check this out. The last two pictures tell me this is good for my grandson, not for me. http://www.autolanka.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=862 -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123.special
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Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
I disagree - there were cars assembled by AMG, in addition the cars put together at other places. AMG certainly put together some cars; they raced them for sure! a W109 300SE 6.8 is the car that put them on the Map, so to speak. One of many articles available about it online; http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/downs/9323/w109amg.htm Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could buy spare parts, spoilers, wheels side skirts, etc from AMG in the 80's, but AMG was not affiliated with Mercedes at that time and didn't assemble these cars. You bought the parts and had it done yourself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 I have [or had at some point] a brochure from AMG in pdf format that disagrees. It shows offerings of body kits for at least the 123 coupe and sedan, but nothing about engine conversions. I'll try to dig it up when I get home. No, its not from AllData. Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rare alright. They never made a 280E AMG, it's just a homemade version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5-spd_W 0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
I have a friend who is looking to sell his 1983 (I think it is an 83) 500SEL AMG W126. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 I disagree - there were cars assembled by AMG, in addition the cars put together at other places. AMG certainly put together some cars; they raced them for sure! a W109 300SE 6.8 is the car that put them on the Map, so to speak. One of many articles available about it online; http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/downs/9323/w109amg.htm Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could buy spare parts, spoilers, wheels side skirts, etc from AMG in the 80's, but AMG was not affiliated with Mercedes at that time and didn't assemble these cars. You bought the parts and had it done yourself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 I have [or had at some point] a brochure from AMG in pdf format that disagrees. It shows offerings of body kits for at least the 123 coupe and sedan, but nothing about engine conversions. I'll try to dig it up when I get home. No, its not from AllData. Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rare alright. They never made a 280E AMG, it's just a homemade version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5-spd_W 0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish
Yes-I have used it on eyeglasses. Also jewelers rouge is good on glass. Dwight Giles Potter wrote: I have heard that you can use toothpaste, though I have not yet tried it. I plan to check it out on my granddaughter's Celica soon. If anyone comes up with a GOOD solution, please post. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:23 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. Lens Polish There was a product that we used to use to polish up aircraft windows and the windshield (which are Plexiglas) - I think it was a Maguires plastic polish or something like that. It might help. The headlight lenses on my wife's '97 Plymouth van are getting quite foggy and I was thinking about trying to find some for it. Though I suspect that Jim is right --- On 11/2/06, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking at my daughter's Toyota and noticed that the lenses are not as clear as they were, so, I was wondering if there is a product to polish/clear plastic head lamp lenses? Dollar bills, applied in quantity, seem to be about the only thing that actually works. -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality
Jim wrote: That sounds like a problem internal to the GP relay. These things are likely NOS, not new-new, and the timing capacitor Hi Jim, I just checked the wiring and GPs by testing the resistance between the plug at the relay and the engine. I removed the plug and put the pos lead in the plug and the neg against the engine block - got a reading of .4 on all 5 - Does that mean my wiring ** the GPs is good or do I have to remove the GPs? Also - assuming the wiring and GPs are good - I guess that means the relay is bad? Thanks again for your help - and, changing the relay is gonna be a *whole* lot easier than changing the wires or GP's! ;-) (if that's what is indicated as being bad) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality Got my 2 new GPs today so tomorow I'll try to find out what the problem is. To refresh memory - I have new GPs and new GP relay - preglow light goes out within 1 sec. of turning the key) That sounds like a problem internal to the GP relay. These things are likely NOS, not new-new, and the timing capacitor could have aged to death before you ever got it. I got my DMM out and set it to Resistance - using a new GP I touched the threads at the top and the threads that contact the cylinder head - got a reading of .3 - then I crossed the leads and the reading was .0 - is it OK that my DMM doesn't have a reading greater than .0? Yes, you just cross the leads to find out what its idea of zero is, and then subtract that from your reading. How do I tell if my DMM will measure current in the range you mentioned -- Was it exceedingly expensive? Then maybe. It's usually clearly written on the face somewhere, if it does current at all. I'm thinking I need at least a 30A max? But I think my DMM is good for 0A's - it's from Radio Shack -- Most DMM's have a 10A current scale, if they have anything at all. To measure more requires a shunt, rarely seen these days, or a relatively expensive clamp-on DC ammeter probe. Even my $300 Fluke only goes to 10A without the 400A external probe (another $200 IIRC). Attempts to measure more than 10A results in blowing its internal fuse, an item that costs more than an entire DMM from Harbor Freight. An old-fashioned charging gauge from the auto parts store could work, those are usually 60A over a half-scale, so are a bit too crude to get a good measurement off of. It would have detected my one bad one that had 2x normal current, however. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.23/513 - Release Date: 11/2/2006
Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker for Tranny Juice
I guess if I have to get under the 123 chassis to do the converter, and the tranny filter I might as well pull the bango fill tube. Problem was last time I did this on my 1977 300D I did not seal the filler tube right and it leaked real bad and I had to go back and correct. Operator error Regards Tom - Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker for Tranny Juice Why not disconnecting the return line at the cooler and hooking up the sucker there? Still won't drain the converter. On 11/2/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a good idea, I did not think the tube goes all the way to the bottom of the pan though (or there was something in the way). Next time I take it off I'll have to check. On the GM tranny, the tube stops before the bottom, but it points there, and the suck tube can slide all the way to the bottom. --R Anthony Galioto wrote: I used an old washing machine hose over the dip stick tube to remove the excess fluid, good fit. It worked very good because the tube goes down to the pan. I don't think you will drain the converter this way though. In addition you should change the filter. I was a little worried that the vacumn might disturb some small parts in the tranny. Anthony On 11/1/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used the $2 sucker to get the fluid out of my old Blazer (700R4) as the fill tube has a straight shot to the bottom of the pan. Cleaned out all but a little bit. I don't think you can do that with the 123 tranny, I vaguely recall trying and I don't think the suck hose will go down very far. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Car is a 1979 240D automatic, 123 chassis. Want to see if any one has used a topsider to suck out old tranny fluid. Do I still need to rotate engine and remove drain plug? This job will include changing out filter unit as well. Any stories or hints you could share please? Regards Tom Scordato ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SCL 600
Hans wrote:I have a '97 Riviera, only make my wife ever considered driving until the E300D came along: The security system [SNIP] Hans, Are you saying the Riviera had all those problems or the E300D? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] SCL 600 I agree wholeheartedly with you. But the trend to use non serviceable gizmo's which barely survive the warranty periode is wide spread nowadays. I have a '97 Riviera, only make my wife ever considered driving until the E300D came along: The security system is defeated because of faults. The memory feature for the seats and mirrors is kaput. The horn would be on full time if it wasn't for the removed fuse - requires replacement of the airbag module ($ 850 for the part). The automatic lights go out when passing by a mall at night and will not come back on - dealer prognosis: replace all associated components, like module, multi-function switch, sensor and what not ($ 600+ in parts). My '82 300SD does pretty well, considering. [SNIP]
[MBZ] New Audi
The latest Car Draive has a one page blurb about a new Audi SUV with a V12 Diesel with twin turbo's and intercoolers - giving almost 500hp and 740 torque! Will MB offer a competitor anytime soon? The Audi V12 TDI gets ~20mpg, with the speed limited at 155mph! It can be yours for only $110,000. The common rail injection operates at 29,000psi thru 12 piezoinjectors - Cool stuff - I know the new MB GL offers a diesel - but I don't think it's that incredible. I could be wrong though - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ .
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
Rusty wrote: It's rare alright. They never made a 280E AMG, it's just a homemade version. I thought AMG would customize any car you wanted back then.
Re: [MBZ] New Audi
Somebody, somewhere please tell me why the hell you need those kind of performance numnbers! Is your peepee THAT small that you need to make up for it somehow?? When will this kind of lunacy end?? It's absolutely shameful that all the new engine technologies have been used to create unnecessary performance. Then we all have a good moan about idiot drivers thinking they're in F1! My 124TD has pleanty of get up and go. I guess it's really a way for the powerless of the world to pretend they're powerful.sad.. Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
AMG did fiddle with the 110, or perhaps just put on a fancy rocker cover http://www.mercedes-damien.com/historique/amg%20sous%20menu/AMG%20W123/amg%20w123.htm http://www.amg-classics.de/6601.html They even did the 102 http://www.geocities.com/johan01.geo/AMG/ Interesting to note that AMG where not able to get that much more out of the 110 until the 5500rpm mark. Personally I would like the 5 litre version. - Original Message - From: Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 It's rare alright. They never made a 280E AMG, it's just a homemade version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5-spd_W 0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 1/11/2006
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
The AMG Classic website link you provided has some great looking conversions - I especially like the W124 W126 2 4 door sedans they show - no diesels but cool just the same -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 AMG did fiddle with the 110, or perhaps just put on a fancy rocker cover http://www.mercedes-damien.com/historique/amg%20sous%20menu/AMG%20W123/amg%20w123.htm http://www.amg-classics.de/6601.html They even did the 102 http://www.geocities.com/johan01.geo/AMG/ Interesting to note that AMG where not able to get that much more out of the 110 until the 5500rpm mark. Personally I would like the 5 litre version. - Original Message - From: Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 It's rare alright. They never made a 280E AMG, it's just a homemade version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5-spd_W 0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 1/11/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.23/513 - Release Date: 11/2/2006
Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality
Jim wrote: That sounds like a problem internal to the GP relay. These things are likely NOS, not new-new, and the timing capacitor Hi Jim, Need your expertise one more time -- I just checked the wiring and GPs by testing the resistance between the plug at the relay and the engine. I removed the plug and put the pos lead in the plug and the neg against the engine block - got a reading of .4 on all 5 - Does that mean my wiring ** the GPs is good or do I have to remove the GPs? Also - assuming the wiring and GPs are good - I guess that means the relay is bad? Thanks again for your help - and, changing the relay is gonna be a *whole* lot easier than changing the wires or GP's! ;-) (if that's what is indicated as being bad) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] GP Infant Mortality Got my 2 new GPs today so tomorow I'll try to find out what the problem is. To refresh memory - I have new GPs and new GP relay - preglow light goes out within 1 sec. of turning the key) That sounds like a problem internal to the GP relay. These things are likely NOS, not new-new, and the timing capacitor could have aged to death before you ever got it. I got my DMM out and set it to Resistance - using a new GP I touched the threads at the top and the threads that contact the cylinder head - got a reading of .3 - then I crossed the leads and the reading was .0 - is it OK that my DMM doesn't have a reading greater than .0? Yes, you just cross the leads to find out what its idea of zero is, and then subtract that from your reading. How do I tell if my DMM will measure current in the range you mentioned -- Was it exceedingly expensive? Then maybe. It's usually clearly written on the face somewhere, if it does current at all. I'm thinking I need at least a 30A max? But I think my DMM is good for 0A's - it's from Radio Shack -- Most DMM's have a 10A current scale, if they have anything at all. To measure more requires a shunt, rarely seen these days, or a relatively expensive clamp-on DC ammeter probe. Even my $300 Fluke only goes to 10A without the 400A external probe (another $200 IIRC). Attempts to measure more than 10A results in blowing its internal fuse, an item that costs more than an entire DMM from Harbor Freight. An old-fashioned charging gauge from the auto parts store could work, those are usually 60A over a half-scale, so are a bit too crude to get a good measurement off of. It would have detected my one bad one that had 2x normal current, however. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.23/513 - Release Date: 11/2/2006
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
My 300SDL has AMG (or AMG look-a-like) ground effect parts -- On 11/2/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The AMG Classic website link you provided has some great looking conversions - I especially like the W124 W126 2 4 door sedans they show - no diesels but cool just the same -- -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?
Ditto on what Jeff and others have said about the differences. I prefer the 123 though. I prefer the smaller size and the feeling of driving the car versus riding along. For me the 126 makes a great vacation/highway cruiser. In most other situations I find it a little large and unwieldy and drive the 123, Civic or Alfa. Systems wise I prefer the manual heating/AC controls versus the ACC on the 126. Power locks, seats and windows are just something else that can go wrong. I am the only person that drives my vehicles so I've set the seat once. Back and forth from work, it's the 240D. 700 mile roundtrip to Des Moines, or up to Wisc somewhere then it's the 300SD...and if I'm really feeling lucky,the Alfa. Fred Johnson Chicago 1977 240D 1981 300SD 1991 A/R 164L 1996 Civic --- Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh, the dfferences are many and varied. The S class is a much better drive. Quieter and more relaxed, especially on the highway! Between the two, I'd take the S any day! No comparison!! I've had both and the 123 is not in the same league as the 126. (Obviously) Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com)
Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123
Mike is 100% correct here. I have the literature to document this from AMG back in the day. Also, AMG did have a North American operation which closed down in the early 1990s. AMG also would sell body panels for folks to have installed themselves. WRT the m110, where this discussion began, AMG did modify that motor. Literature I have shows they were tuning it to 225 hp (DIN) which would translate to roughly 250hp (SAE) at the crank. Also, if there is further doubt, currently in the shop I have one AMG 560sec, SOHC, 6.0L modified by AMG mid-west in Chicago and a venerable 560sel 32V Hammer, likely modified out of Chicago (research still pending). Both are North American spec machines and not grey market examples. Mathieu On Nov 2, 2006, at 1:47 PM, Michael Hall wrote: I disagree - there were cars assembled by AMG, in addition the cars put together at other places. AMG certainly put together some cars; they raced them for sure! a W109 300SE 6.8 is the car that put them on the Map, so to speak. One of many articles available about it online; http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/downs/9323/w109amg.htm Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could buy spare parts, spoilers, wheels side skirts, etc from AMG in the 80's, but AMG was not affiliated with Mercedes at that time and didn't assemble these cars. You bought the parts and had it done yourself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 I have [or had at some point] a brochure from AMG in pdf format that disagrees. It shows offerings of body kits for at least the 123 coupe and sedan, but nothing about engine conversions. I'll try to dig it up when I get home. No, its not from AllData. Mike On 11/2/06, Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rare alright. They never made a 280E AMG, it's just a homemade version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Rare AMG W123 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-280E-AMG-Rare-black-imported-5- spd_W 0QQitemZ180046051091QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem eBay Item #180046051091 Am I the only one who thinks this an awesome car? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker for Tranny Juice
I might as well pull the bango fill tube. Problem was last time I did this on my 1977 300D I did not seal the filler tube right and it leaked real bad and I had to go back and correct. Operator error I hate that stupid filler tube design with the washers that need to be assembled the CORRECT way in order not to leak! I also experienced this on a '77 300D. Dennis T had it sitting around as a parts car, and I bought it for parts for my '78. It had a marginal tranny anyway, and it leaked in the filler tube area. Trans-X and some control rod adjustments were enough to save it, so we flogged it for a couple months before I sold it along with the '78. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon looking at an '83 300SD for $1200
Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker for Tranny Juice
Kevin feel you pan. I think I ended up using a slight coat of lock tight to solve the problem on that fill tube on my 1977. Cannot just torque the *^% out of it to stop it as I recall/Tom - Original Message - From: kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker for Tranny Juice I might as well pull the bango fill tube. Problem was last time I did this on my 1977 300D I did not seal the filler tube right and it leaked real bad and I had to go back and correct. Operator error I hate that stupid filler tube design with the washers that need to be assembled the CORRECT way in order not to leak! I also experienced this on a '77 300D. Dennis T had it sitting around as a parts car, and I bought it for parts for my '78. It had a marginal tranny anyway, and it leaked in the filler tube area. Trans-X and some control rod adjustments were enough to save it, so we flogged it for a couple months before I sold it along with the '78. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon looking at an '83 300SD for $1200 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?
I have looked at many MB diesels, and still think the 123 chassis even with non turbo engines (for simplicity) was the high water mark of car design. Many will disagree about the turbo an I know I am in the minority. I have toyed at buying the 115 and the 110 chassis an even some Ponton diesels. I do like the newer 190Ds and 300D, but have not been able to quite make it pencil fiancially. My heart always comes back to the 1977 to 1980 pre tubo 123 chassis, (my two cents). 0-60mph in five minutes Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: Fred Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD? Ditto on what Jeff and others have said about the differences. I prefer the 123 though. I prefer the smaller size and the feeling of driving the car versus riding along. For me the 126 makes a great vacation/highway cruiser. In most other situations I find it a little large and unwieldy and drive the 123, Civic or Alfa. Systems wise I prefer the manual heating/AC controls versus the ACC on the 126. Power locks, seats and windows are just something else that can go wrong. I am the only person that drives my vehicles so I've set the seat once. Back and forth from work, it's the 240D. 700 mile roundtrip to Des Moines, or up to Wisc somewhere then it's the 300SD...and if I'm really feeling lucky,the Alfa. Fred Johnson Chicago 1977 240D 1981 300SD 1991 A/R 164L 1996 Civic --- Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh, the dfferences are many and varied. The S class is a much better drive. Quieter and more relaxed, especially on the highway! Between the two, I'd take the S any day! No comparison!! I've had both and the 123 is not in the same league as the 126. (Obviously) Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD?
An 83 300D (that is what was asked) will have power windows and the Auto A/C like in the 300SD. Engines are practically the same, both being 617 turbo diesels. No power seats on the W123. On 11/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have looked at many MB diesels, and still think the 123 chassis even with non turbo engines (for simplicity) was the high water mark of car design. Many will disagree about the turbo an I know I am in the minority. I have toyed at buying the 115 and the 110 chassis an even some Ponton diesels. I do like the newer 190Ds and 300D, but have not been able to quite make it pencil fiancially. My heart always comes back to the 1977 to 1980 pre tubo 123 chassis, (my two cents). 0-60mph in five minutes Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: Fred Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D vs. 300SD? Ditto on what Jeff and others have said about the differences. I prefer the 123 though. I prefer the smaller size and the feeling of driving the car versus riding along. For me the 126 makes a great vacation/highway cruiser. In most other situations I find it a little large and unwieldy and drive the 123, Civic or Alfa. Systems wise I prefer the manual heating/AC controls versus the ACC on the 126. Power locks, seats and windows are just something else that can go wrong. I am the only person that drives my vehicles so I've set the seat once. Back and forth from work, it's the 240D. 700 mile roundtrip to Des Moines, or up to Wisc somewhere then it's the 300SD...and if I'm really feeling lucky,the Alfa. Fred Johnson Chicago 1977 240D 1981 300SD 1991 A/R 164L 1996 Civic --- Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh, the dfferences are many and varied. The S class is a much better drive. Quieter and more relaxed, especially on the highway! Between the two, I'd take the S any day! No comparison!! I've had both and the 123 is not in the same league as the 126. (Obviously) Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
