Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs
http://web.mac.com/dakota/iWeb/Mercedes/Indexes.html appears to have what is needed. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: If you have it, I will combine all .pdf files into one directory and use your list as the front end. On 5/28/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't someone at some point have an understandable version of the Index (like in the manual, more or less) so you could actually find pdf files without having to use the stupid front-end on the disk? I might have saved it somewhere -- I'll have to look. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: I am going to play with the index.htm file(s) to see if I can get them to launch. No guarantees. On 5/28/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan Gasket sealant
You must use a sealant, the factory does. Some sort of high temp resistant RTC, the black stuff, is what you want. Glad you managed to get it repaired! Peter
Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs
Yea, that just might do it. Might have to drop the guy an email and ask if I can use his work on my/our site. On 5/28/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://web.mac.com/dakota/iWeb/Mercedes/Indexes.html appears to have what is needed. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: If you have it, I will combine all .pdf files into one directory and use your list as the front end. On 5/28/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't someone at some point have an understandable version of the Index (like in the manual, more or less) so you could actually find pdf files without having to use the stupid front-end on the disk? I might have saved it somewhere -- I'll have to look. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: I am going to play with the index.htm file(s) to see if I can get them to launch. No guarantees. On 5/28/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org
Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs
Anybody know what that site belongs to? There isn't a contact me anywhere that I can see. On 5/28/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, that just might do it. Might have to drop the guy an email and ask if I can use his work on my/our site. On 5/28/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://web.mac.com/dakota/iWeb/Mercedes/Indexes.html appears to have what is needed. --R -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org
Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs
Oh, and this guy has indexes for a bunch of other models too: odel 107 Model 108/109/110/112 Model 114/115 Model 116 Model 123 Model 124 Model 126 Model 201 Service Library Mercedes-Benz Service Library Index Download Page --R http://web.mac.com/dakota/iWeb/Mercedes/Indexes.html
Re: [MBZ] 190E overheats
Better boil-over protection at 75%, but you get reduced cooling capacity. Cadillac used to use 75% glycol for high temperature summer (tropical) applications. Better freeze protection, too. Peter
Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs
He is someone named Steve Nervigs, referenced here: http://mbca.cartama.net/archive/index.php/t-10036.html --R Wonko the Sane wrote: Yea, that just might do it. Might have to drop the guy an email and ask if I can use his work on my/our site. On 5/28/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://web.mac.com/dakota/iWeb/Mercedes/Indexes.html appears to have what is needed. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: If you have it, I will combine all .pdf files into one directory and use your list as the front end. On 5/28/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't someone at some point have an understandable version of the Index (like in the manual, more or less) so you could actually find pdf files without having to use the stupid front-end on the disk? I might have saved it somewhere -- I'll have to look. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: I am going to play with the index.htm file(s) to see if I can get them to launch. No guarantees. On 5/28/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan Gasket sealant
As luck would have it, I didn't think I had enough Hylomar, so did use the High temp RTV. Now to get the alignment close enough to drive it to the shop On 5/28/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must use a sealant, the factory does. Some sort of high temp resistant RTC, the black stuff, is what you want. Glad you managed to get it repaired! Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
Proper mixture is 50:50 whether you mix it or it's premixed. Last time I bought it from the MB dealer (Feb 06) it was concentrated and needed to be mixed with H2O. I have never, ever, seen premixed antifreeze and water. Why in the world would anyone buy water? RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
Well, it's out there, and I bought a lot of it when I had a mystery leak on the Volvo (and while the head gasket was bad on the 300D) -- much easier to nip into the store and grab the premix and pour. Needless to say, everything is now on a steady diet of G-05 and distilled water. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 87 190D
pay no attention to cheap class woger, his only purpose is to make his little snide comments every now and then. Zoltan Finks wrote: I ask questions to get information. You are free to delete, friend. Brian -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] torque wrench shopping
The other day I was at my mom's house, in the garage, and looked though some of my dad's old tools. I found a Proto micrometer style tourque wrench, but I know nothing about it beyond that. Is this a good brand? How can I check it to make sure its still good, what do I need to know. I know it hasn't been touched in over 10 years, but it looks like its in good shape. It is in US and metric. On 5/28/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you ever have your torque wrench's re-calibrated? Where? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] torque wrench shopping I've got a KD clicker that I've been using for a few years now that I really like. I think it was around $130 new on sale( rumor was at the time that they came out of the same factory as snap ons torque wrenches ). I have a craftsman electronic torque meter that attaches to a 1/2 socket, very accurate, but awkward to use, basically only good when working an engine on the stand., and I have an HF cheapie 1/4 drive job to keep all those little 6mm bolts about right. I don't know about split beams, but on any clicker , keep in mind when using in temperature extremes, the readings won't be accurate. If it's real cold out, they will click late ( too tight, if it get's cold enough, tight enough to get you in trouble ) and if it's real hot out, they will click too early ( too loose). If I have to work outside in temperature extremes, I always leave the torque wrench inside for a while to get it to room temp, then work in short spurts to keep things even( this is after finding out that hard way what happens if you don't ). -Robert Luther wrote: Which style? Dial, micrometer click, or split-beam? What brands? Snap-On, Armstrong, Precision Instruments, Craftsman, or others? I'm going to be doing the head on my SDL and I'd like to have a high quality 1/2 150-200 Newton-Meter torque wrench. Suggestions, experience, and 2nd hand knowledge welcome. TIA all. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/820 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 12:31 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
you are joking right? Every mcparts and walmart I have seen always have premixed antifreeze. Not the MB stuff, but they all have it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proper mixture is 50:50 whether you mix it or it's premixed. Last time I bought it from the MB dealer (Feb 06) it was concentrated and needed to be mixed with H2O. I have never, ever, seen premixed antifreeze and water. Why in the world would anyone buy water? RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan Gasket sealant
As much as I love Hylomar and hate RTV, if there's a possibility of some larger gaps remaining, I'd go with the RTV. Hylomar fills imperfections perfectly, but it's not intended to fill gaps. Robert OK Don wrote: $150 of wleding and de-warping later, I'm about to install the repaired oil pan on the 300SDL. (I'll post photos later). I had to clean off a LOT of black RTV sealant - no fun. The machine shop thought they got the pan pretty flat - the bolts should pull it up the rest of the way. So, I think I need to use a sealant - the question is, black RTV or Hylomar???
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
I saw Zerex G 05 premixed at the local NAPA store last week--but I agree-unless it is de-ionized,, filtered H20 blessed by the high priest at Stuttgart, it is a waste of money. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:00 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] premixed? Proper mixture is 50:50 whether you mix it or it's premixed. Last time I bought it from the MB dealer (Feb 06) it was concentrated and needed to be mixed with H2O. I have never, ever, seen premixed antifreeze and water. Why in the world would anyone buy water? RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E
These things use a header tank that is (a shit, can't think of the word) but you can see the coolant level in them. The level sensor can get filled with crap and make it go wonky but are easy to remove and clean. Doubt the air bubble theory, I have changed coolant in 201's a couple of dozen times and NEVER got a bubble. They are very good at self burbing. If it is getting hot then most likely your temp sensor or electromagnetic clutch have decided to stop working. Could be a stuck thermostat, just cause it is pretty new does not mean it can't fail to do it's job. There are ways of testing the coolant sensor and clutch but that requires experience with your particular model, I can tell you how to do it in a early model 201 but yours may be different. To test the system is a 5 minute job for a competent mechanic. - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E Rich Thomas mentioned the possibility of an air bubble. You could eliminate that by stopping the car on a steep hill (front end up the hill) and removing the radiator cap, squeezing the hoses to eliminate any air bubbles, and filling the radiator to the brim. It seems to me, though, that the symptoms point to insufficient air flow through the radiator. Does it have a mechanically driven fan or electric fan? If it's mechanical, is there a thermostatic clutch on the fan? If it's electric, does it operate? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E
Don't confuse people, if it is good enough to drink it is good enough to go in the engine. - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E Remember however, that with any Mercedes it will be imperative that one use only the best synthetic water to mix with the MB specific coolant. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E On Mon, 28 May 2007 08:16:34 -0400 kok.hong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I filled it up with MB coolant (no mixing) and drove it. You should mix your coolant 1:1 with water (dilute it to 50% concentration). Questions: 1) did I screw up the ratio in MB coolant and water? Did you dilute the coolant? 2) is there a way to measure the specific gravity instead of ratio? Yes, the small plastic gauges Prestone makes to measure the freezing and boiling temperatures of coolant actually work by measuring the specific gravity. 3) drain the radiator and replace with water? No. 4) is the thermostat faulty? But it was replace about a year ago. Also, I check the hoses (top and bottom which returns to the recovery tank) are hot. I had to cool the engine by turning on the window defroster to keep the engine temp at 90C. Otherwise it is at 100C or more. Both hoses being hot seem to indicate that the thermostat is opening and that the coolant is flowing through the radiator. Turning on the defroster and having the temperature drop shows that there is insufficient cooling, but that the water pump is indeed pumping water. Rich Thomas mentioned the possibility of an air bubble. You could eliminate that by stopping the car on a steep hill (front end up the hill) and removing the radiator cap, squeezing the hoses to eliminate any air bubbles, and filling the radiator to the brim. It seems to me, though, that the symptoms point to insufficient air flow through the radiator. Does it have a mechanically driven fan or electric fan? If it's mechanical, is there a thermostatic clutch on the fan? If it's electric, does it operate? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E
Some cheap anti freeze stuff will eat your aluminum, don't skimp on coolant. - Original Message - From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E While we are on the subject of antifreeze what's the differnece between the MBZ antifreeze and the green stuff? Mike - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E 1) did I screw up the ratio in MB coolant and water? Yes. Antifreeze is nowhere near as good at removing heat as is water. Pure water has, however, its own problems! The 50/50 mix is optimum, deviation either way buys various problems. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M 102 knocks on startup: Why
Impossible. - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] M 102 knocks on startup: Why The M102 has a ratcheting tensioner. Likely it has been installed without the detent spring, so it's falling back when the oil drains out. I can email you the PDF file from the service manual if you send me your email address. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
You can get ready to go coolant but that is irrelevant to MB cars. Also a lot of people seem to buy bottled water to drink, you know that fancy tap water that is sold as coming from the rarest of rare springs high up in the Andes mountaines. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] premixed? Proper mixture is 50:50 whether you mix it or it's premixed. Last time I bought it from the MB dealer (Feb 06) it was concentrated and needed to be mixed with H2O. I have never, ever, seen premixed antifreeze and water. Why in the world would anyone buy water? RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
Better pay attention next time you buy anti-freeze..There's like 9 different jugs at Wally Land and only a couple are full strengthVery deceptive marketing as the 50/50 appears cheaper at a glance. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] premixed? Proper mixture is 50:50 whether you mix it or it's premixed. Last time I bought it from the MB dealer (Feb 06) it was concentrated and needed to be mixed with H2O. I have never, ever, seen premixed antifreeze and water. Why in the world would anyone buy water? RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage
We wont let our kids ride bikes around here except at the bike trails at the park or in the yard, it's just not safe. as much as I'd like to see the oldest boy get a bit more exercise , I'd rather not see him get flattened. Pretty sad, When I was his age , out in California, we used to ride our bikes 20 miles to the beach. I wouldn't let him try anything like that now. The last time I attempted walking in our *city* (all of about 50k people in the whole county ) downtown I was pushing a young child in a stroller and out of 6 , traffic light controlled intersections, all small 2 lane streets in an old southern downtown, I had to run, and dodge and shove the stroller out of the way to keep from getting creamed at 3 out of 6 of those crossings, while crossing on a green walk light while idiots in suvs and minivans careened around corners with cell phones glued to their faces while not even looking where they were going. Those kind of survival odds stink. It's not anyones imagination, the driver's are getting worse, and we have small colleges in this town every fall we get an even scarier batch of kids in bigger and bigger vehicles that have been handed down from their parents, migrating in from the woods. It was bad enough when they were all driving moms old toyota with no cell phones, now it's moms old monster truck with a cell phone talking or texting away, and most of those kids come from small towns where the driver's test consists of driving around the town square twice with the deputy and not hitting anything. ---Robert Mike Canfield wrote: Agreed. I ride my bike alot. Prefer to keep to seasonal back roads as there are less idiots intent on running you down. In town or on the highway I ride like every car I encounter doesn't even know I am there..Maybe they don't. Mike - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Absolutely understandable. I always question whether I'm getting paranoid, but it seems drivers are getting worse by the month. Red light running and cel phone talking in particular. Often when I think someone is intentionally driving agressively toward me, I find a little girl yapping on a cel happily. So that's surely the one huge downside to bike riding. Brian On 5/28/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sincerely wish that I could safely ride a bike around here, but with high speed SUV traffic on narrow, shoulder-free roads, it's asking for severe injury or death. Likewise it would not bother me at all to walk a couple miles to the train or bus stop to take one of them to work, beats the hell out of driving all the time. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
At a lot of places the 50/50 is the same price as the straight stuff. I guess they charge extra for all the labour involved in pre mixing it :-) --Robert Mike Canfield wrote: Better pay attention next time you buy anti-freeze..There's like 9 different jugs at Wally Land and only a couple are full strengthVery deceptive marketing as the 50/50 appears cheaper at a glance. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] premixed? Proper mixture is 50:50 whether you mix it or it's premixed. Last time I bought it from the MB dealer (Feb 06) it was concentrated and needed to be mixed with H2O. I have never, ever, seen premixed antifreeze and water. Why in the world would anyone buy water? RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carfax needed on car we are considering
What's your paypal handle Kaleb? Lord knows you have sent me 5 bucks worth over the yearsI'm in. On 5/28/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why thanks. I usually keep a subscription mainly for running reports fo r the list. Will renew it again ASAP BillR wrote: Decided it was silly to say it and not do it. I chipped in $5 to your PayPal account. Others can help if they want. If you decide to get out of the CarFax report stuff we'll talk. Happy Memorial Day. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillR Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 1:38 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carfax needed on car we are considering How much is a subscription? I don't need any reports at the moment but I have used yours in the past. I'd kick in a few bucks to have yours renewed. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 289k miles, with all door actuators now working. First one took parts of 4 days [mostly to get the actuator retrofit to my car] the second took about 30 minutes, including having to take the panel off three times to get it on right. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 1:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carfax needed on car we are considering my subsription has expired. Zoltan Finks wrote: Listers (and Kaleb, if you feel agreeable to do another one), I have another 190D Carfax need! WDBDB26D4GF220054 Thanks a ton. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions
The Audi section of www.buyeuroparts.com hasn't worked for weeks, now. I can select the year and model, then it goes to some lame nondescript, testimonials page. No parts or nuthin -- WTF? On 5/25/07, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, www.BuyEUROparts.com and www.BuyASIANparts.com -- Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar
Re: [MBZ] Carfax needed on car we are considering
[EMAIL PROTECTED], but its NOT necessary John Freer wrote: What's your paypal handle Kaleb? Lord knows you have sent me 5 bucks worth over the yearsI'm in. On 5/28/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why thanks. I usually keep a subscription mainly for running reports fo r the list. Will renew it again ASAP BillR wrote: Decided it was silly to say it and not do it. I chipped in $5 to your PayPal account. Others can help if they want. If you decide to get out of the CarFax report stuff we'll talk. Happy Memorial Day. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillR Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 1:38 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carfax needed on car we are considering How much is a subscription? I don't need any reports at the moment but I have used yours in the past. I'd kick in a few bucks to have yours renewed. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 289k miles, with all door actuators now working. First one took parts of 4 days [mostly to get the actuator retrofit to my car] the second took about 30 minutes, including having to take the panel off three times to get it on right. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 1:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carfax needed on car we are considering my subsription has expired. Zoltan Finks wrote: Listers (and Kaleb, if you feel agreeable to do another one), I have another 190D Carfax need! WDBDB26D4GF220054 Thanks a ton. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan Gasket sealant
RTV it was. We'll see how good it is - one of the 10 bolts at the back end of the pan was stripped - it's tight enough to stay in place (so far), and I applied blue lock-tite. I'll be watching to see what happens. I did notice that the label on the pan gasket states that it's for M104, OM603 and OM606. I wonder what other parts are common between the OM603/6 and the M104? On 5/28/07, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As much as I love Hylomar and hate RTV, if there's a possibility of some larger gaps remaining, I'd go with the RTV. Hylomar fills imperfections perfectly, but it's not intended to fill gaps. Robert -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] torque wrench shopping
The other day I was at my mom's house, in the garage, and looked though some of my dad's old tools. I found a Proto micrometer style tourque wrench, but I know nothing about it beyond that. Is this a good brand? How can I check it to make sure its still good, what do I need to know. I know it hasn't been touched in over 10 years, but it looks like its in good shape. It is in US and metric. Very good wrench. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT
Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E
Mine ('93 190E2.3 gas) last from '93 to '06 (original radiator); did not use
the green stuff.
The low coolant is strange as I did changed coolant and thermostat in the
past many times and had no problem.
KS
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While we are on the subject of antifreeze what's the differnece
between the
MBZ antifreeze and the green stuff?
How long your radiator lasts.
-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] water
you are joking right? Every mcparts and walmart I have seen always have premixed antifreeze. Not the MB stuff, but they all have it. I suppose you buy pre-mixed windshield washer solvent, too. Snidely. RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [MBZ] wally water
Better pay attention next time you buy anti-freeze..There's like 9 different jugs at Wally Land and only a couple are full strengthVery deceptive marketing as the 50/50 appears cheaper at a glance. I am not a Walmart customer. The closest one is a 40 mile round trip and the parking is terrible. Besides that, saving a few dollars when buying antifreeze every two years is not worth my time. And it will be GO-5 the next time, if it's cheaper than what I've been buying. RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
Yeah but you have to buy twice as much of the stuff. - Original Message - From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] premixed? Better pay attention next time you buy anti-freeze..There's like 9 different jugs at Wally Land and only a couple are full strengthVery deceptive marketing as the 50/50 appears cheaper at a glance. Mike - Original Message -
Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E
Here in South Africa Mercedes Benz OEM coolant is green and is specified to 325.0 . Its applications include all current models. Colour has no bearing on the coolant's compatibility with mercedes benz specification. PEter -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 May 2007 08:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E The green stuff doesn't have sufficient anti-corrosive power to prevent corrosion of the head and radiator (and heater core, too). Long term use will result in clogged or leaking radiators (or both at once) and severe enough corrosion of the head to blow the head gasket (happened on my sister's Volvo -- naturally, on the highway at speed, cost them a new rad and new head). Even so, you must change it every two years for adequate protection. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Toyota Turbo Diesel
Why was the vehicle RHD? Peter -Original Message- From: Rory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 May 2007 12:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT: Toyota Turbo Diesel Hey Guys, Just had an interesting experience at work (US Customs). A Gentleman brought a 1989 Toyota 4-runner Turbo Diesel to our Port of Entry to import into the US. Upon inspection, this right-hand drive vehicle is found to have been manufactured in Canada in compliance with both US and Kalifornia EPA standards, and US DOT standards, per mfg. labeling on vehicle. Upon further discussion, I found out that these vehicles were manufactured for Canadian Post in the Northern Territories. The vehicle was showing 112,000 km's and was equipped with a 2.4 Turbodiesel and 5 speed manual trans. Said to obtain approx 30mpg (Canadian Gallons). I have some experience with Toyota normally aspirated and turbo'd 2.4's and found them to be great runners. Wouldn't mind having something like that, although my 2XL frame and attendant cushioning doesn't enjoy the Toyota PU's and 4-runners. Regards, -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190E overheats
I was told long ago that straight water cools better than antifreeze. Of course this option is dismal for long term. Growing up in AZ, you run into a lot of cars that have straight water in them. Coolant leaks are common, and when you don't need freeze protection, straight water is a very convenient option. Cars so treated also have the corresponding rust in the system. I think this is what caused us to have to purchase a replacement engine for our then newly-purchased 240D. Brian On 5/28/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better boil-over protection at 75%, but you get reduced cooling capacity. Cadillac used to use 75% glycol for high temperature summer (tropical) applications. Better freeze protection, too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage
That encapsulates it, sad as it is. I a glad I do not ride a motorcycle anymore. Things have changed from really bad to ridiculously bad. Funny, when I'm out road-riding on a bicycle, most people around here, I must admit, show the decency to pull somewhat to the left and provide safety and respect to bicyclists as they pass them. BTW, the law is something like 3 or 4 feet, and if there is not room to provide that amount of space, drivers are required to wait at a safe distance behind the bicycle until they can safely pass them - just as with slow-moving farm equipment. (And no, I am not in support of bicyclists arrogantly taking up too much space in the roadway - they do not have the right to do so). Surprisingly often, though, the drivers who do not give you a respectful berth actually are closest to you as they pass you, then you notice that they drift to the left after they are past you. No sense to it. I don't think that it's very often an intentional thing. And yes, Robert, as to your having to scurry out of the way of blissfully speeding cars (while you're pushing a baby carriage no less!!): I have recently come to recognize why speeding cars coming down my street tick me off so much. It's about a balance of power - cars against pedestrians. To quickly illustrate this, picture downtown Chicago (or Boston, where it is common knowledge that you don't step off the curb, or it's your ass) and compare it with small town rural America (as we have historically known it). In the former, the cars have the power - it is accepted that people had damn well better keep their hides out of the way of traffic, or it's curtains, and it will be the fault of the pedestrian. In the latter, the driver who hits a pedestrian would be considered reckless and a scourge to society. So when I see our rapidly growing town getting more red-light-runners and cel-phone-yapping reckless drivers, I realize that the power balance is shifting from the pedestrian to the car driver - the sad natural progression. Ranting must be done once in a while. Brian On 5/28/07, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We wont let our kids ride bikes around here except at the bike trails at the park or in the yard, it's just not safe. as much as I'd like to see the oldest boy get a bit more exercise , I'd rather not see him get flattened. Pretty sad, When I was his age , out in California, we used to ride our bikes 20 miles to the beach. I wouldn't let him try anything like that now. The last time I attempted walking in our *city* (all of about 50k people in the whole county ) downtown I was pushing a young child in a stroller and out of 6 , traffic light controlled intersections, all small 2 lane streets in an old southern downtown, I had to run, and dodge and shove the stroller out of the way to keep from getting creamed at 3 out of 6 of those crossings, while crossing on a green walk light while idiots in suvs and minivans careened around corners with cell phones glued to their faces while not even looking where they were going. Those kind of survival odds stink. It's not anyones imagination, the driver's are getting worse, and we have small colleges in this town every fall we get an even scarier batch of kids in bigger and bigger vehicles that have been handed down from their parents, migrating in from the woods. It was bad enough when they were all driving moms old toyota with no cell phones, now it's moms old monster truck with a cell phone talking or texting away, and most of those kids come from small towns where the driver's test consists of driving around the town square twice with the deputy and not hitting anything. ---Robert Mike Canfield wrote: Agreed. I ride my bike alot. Prefer to keep to seasonal back roads as there are less idiots intent on running you down. In town or on the highway I ride like every car I encounter doesn't even know I am there..Maybe they don't. Mike - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage Absolutely understandable. I always question whether I'm getting paranoid, but it seems drivers are getting worse by the month. Red light running and cel phone talking in particular. Often when I think someone is intentionally driving agressively toward me, I find a little girl yapping on a cel happily. So that's surely the one huge downside to bike riding. Brian On 5/28/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sincerely wish that I could safely ride a bike around here, but with high speed SUV traffic on narrow, shoulder-free roads, it's asking for severe injury or death. Likewise it would not bother me at all to walk a couple miles to the train or bus stop to take one of them to work, beats the hell out of driving all the time. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Toyota Turbo Diesel
They make them RHD so that the rural postmen can go down the road on the right side and put mail in the boxes without having to exit the vehicle. A lot of funny little USPS vehicles were like that too. Jeff Zedic
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
On 29/05/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's out there, and I bought a lot of it when I had a mystery leak on the Volvo (and while the head gasket was bad on the 300D) -- much easier to nip into the store and grab the premix and pour. Needless to say, everything is now on a steady diet of G-05 and distilled water. Peter Peter, You shouldn't use distilled water in the coolant. Use it for your battery but not coolant. If Marshall was here he'd explain the chemistry but I think it may have to do with ionization. Tap water is better than distilled unless you have VERY hard water in your area. Jeff Zedic
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage
Zoltan Finks wrote: (And no, I am not in support of bicyclists arrogantly taking up too much space in the roadway - they do not have the right to do so). If there is not room to safely share the lane, the cyclist may and should ride far enough to the left to force passing traffic to wait until it is safe to change lanes to pass. It's not arrogance. Riding as far to the right as practicible does not require inviting motorists to endanger you. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E
Peter Merle wrote: Here in South Africa Mercedes Benz OEM coolant is green and is specified to 325.0 . Its applications include all current models. Colour has no bearing on the coolant's compatibility with mercedes benz specification. I wonder if SA standards require it to be green, like USA standards require brake fluid to be clear or amber. (ATE Superblue brake fluid would otherwise be DOT4+, but it doesn't meet any DOT standard due to the dye)
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage
If you don't like how I drive, stay off the sidewalk is the operative principle in Boston, where more accidents are caused by 2 drivers trying to hit the same pedestrian than for any other reason. --R (or Boston, where it is common knowledge that you don't step off the curb, or it's your ass)
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
I won't drink my tap water. Why would I ever feed it to my battery?? -Dave Walton On 5/29/07, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29/05/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's out there, and I bought a lot of it when I had a mystery leak on the Volvo (and while the head gasket was bad on the 300D) -- much easier to nip into the store and grab the premix and pour. Needless to say, everything is now on a steady diet of G-05 and distilled water. Peter Peter, You shouldn't use distilled water in the coolant. Use it for your battery but not coolant. If Marshall was here he'd explain the chemistry but I think it may have to do with ionization. Tap water is better than distilled unless you have VERY hard water in your area. Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions
The Audi section of www.buyeuroparts.com hasn't worked for weeks, now. I can select the year and model, then it goes to some lame nondescript, testimonials page. No parts or nuthin -- WTF? It's just editorializing. Just be glad you didn't find a way to select Pugeot, you wouldn't like what it'd be forced to do to you then! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] M117 in W123
Wonder what country has such cheap labor that this restoration makes economic sense? On 5/28/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep Mike Canfield wrote: Looks like a load of fun ay Kaleb? Mike - Original Message - -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
I'm a chemist, I know more about water than I ever really wanted too. Mine is VERY hard, so I use distilled water for the coolant. Peter
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
(And no, I am not in support of bicyclists arrogantly taking up too much space in the roadway - they do not have the right to do so). If there is not room to safely share the lane, the cyclist may and should ride far enough to the left to force passing traffic to wait until it is safe to change lanes to pass. It's not arrogance. Last time I checked here, a bicycle _is_ a car so far as the law is concerned. You treat them like such, and you ride them like such. And it stinks, last time I was forced to (single, and having my truck worked on at at shop that wasn't particularly close to work) ride on city streets some asshole in a new Hummer (pre-H2) nearly clipped me as he roared past me on the left in the turn lane. (I was preparing to make my turn to the left.) Totally a ticketable offense, but where's a cop when you need him? Next time I am forced to ride on city streets I think it would be very prudent to sling my Garand across my back. I'd leave the clip at home. The first time! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
You shouldn't use distilled water in the coolant. Use it for your battery but not coolant. If Marshall was here he'd explain the chemistry but I think it may have to do with ionization. Tap water is better than distilled unless you have VERY hard water in your area. Distilled water is _not_ usually deionized water, which is the stuff to avoid. But potable water is good enough, and is cheapest and safest. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] M117 in W123
Who cares? Why does eveything have to be about money to some folks? Mike - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] M117 in W123 Wonder what country has such cheap labor that this restoration makes economic sense? On 5/28/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep Mike Canfield wrote: Looks like a load of fun ay Kaleb? Mike - Original Message - -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E
Glycol is colorless. The color of the coolant is dye, and the long life and MB types for high aluminum content engines are dyed yellow, red, or orange to make them visually different than the standard green coolant, which does not have sufficient anti-corrosive reserve for use in MB engines, or for the 5 year life expected of Dex-Cool. Peter
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
I've often thought of carrying my Nagant on my motorcycle as well but figured some hotshot rookie cop would want to give me a bunch of shit over it. Mike - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers (And no, I am not in support of bicyclists arrogantly taking up too much space in the roadway - they do not have the right to do so). If there is not room to safely share the lane, the cyclist may and should ride far enough to the left to force passing traffic to wait until it is safe to change lanes to pass. It's not arrogance. Last time I checked here, a bicycle _is_ a car so far as the law is concerned. You treat them like such, and you ride them like such. And it stinks, last time I was forced to (single, and having my truck worked on at at shop that wasn't particularly close to work) ride on city streets some asshole in a new Hummer (pre-H2) nearly clipped me as he roared past me on the left in the turn lane. (I was preparing to make my turn to the left.) Totally a ticketable offense, but where's a cop when you need him? Next time I am forced to ride on city streets I think it would be very prudent to sling my Garand across my back. I'd leave the clip at home. The first time! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M117 in W123
It's about the culture of that country, not money. I was mererly curious. On 5/29/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who cares? Why does eveything have to be about money to some folks? Mike - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] M117 in W123 Wonder what country has such cheap labor that this restoration makes economic sense? On 5/28/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep Mike Canfield wrote: Looks like a load of fun ay Kaleb? Mike - Original Message - -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E
have sufficient anti-corrosive reserve for use in MB engines, or for the 5 year life expected of Dex-Cool. The 5-year expected life for Death Cool is for the _engine_, not the coolant. A common misconception! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
I've often thought of carrying my Nagant on my motorcycle as well but figured some hotshot rookie cop would want to give me a bunch of shit over it. I figured a short polite conversation with them about it would probably swing them completely to your side, once they'd had a minute or two to think about it. They scrape up way too many bike riders. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] M117 in W123
But your question asks about it making economic sense...I am sure it makes none at all. I doubt that man is similar to very many others in his country so he would seem to me to be a poor example of that countries culture. Just a man that loves his car.Love makes no sense at all. Didn't mean to sound like I was snapping at you. Mike - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] M117 in W123 It's about the culture of that country, not money. I was mererly curious. On 5/29/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who cares? Why does eveything have to be about money to some folks? Mike - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] M117 in W123 Wonder what country has such cheap labor that this restoration makes economic sense? On 5/28/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep Mike Canfield wrote: Looks like a load of fun ay Kaleb? Mike - Original Message - -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E
Really? They last that long? H. Mike - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E have sufficient anti-corrosive reserve for use in MB engines, or for the 5 year life expected of Dex-Cool. The 5-year expected life for Death Cool is for the _engine_, not the coolant. A common misconception! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Last time I checked here, a bicycle _is_ a car so far as the law is concerned. You treat them like such, and you ride them like such. And it stinks, last time I was forced to (single, and having my truck worked on at at shop that wasn't particularly close to work) ride on city streets some asshole in a new Hummer (pre-H2) nearly clipped me as he roared past me on the left in the turn lane. (I was preparing to make my turn to the left.) Totally a ticketable offense, but where's a cop when you need him? I sympathize, though here in this college town it's the bicycles and pedestrians who don't pay attention. How many times have I had to stand on the brakes to avoid clobbering some ipod-wearing, text-message-absorbed student who simply crosses the street without so much as a glance to the side. Or the bicyclists who pass a line of cars on the right, run a stop sign, and then flip you the finger when you give them a little heads up beep on the horn. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
You do have a very good point there... Mike - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers I've often thought of carrying my Nagant on my motorcycle as well but figured some hotshot rookie cop would want to give me a bunch of shit over it. I figured a short polite conversation with them about it would probably swing them completely to your side, once they'd had a minute or two to think about it. They scrape up way too many bike riders. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E
The last MB coolant I bought was pretty much colorless, IIRC. A couple of years ago. I use Zerex now, mainly because it's easy to get locally. Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glycol is colorless. The color of the coolant is dye, and the long life and MB types for high aluminum content engines are dyed yellow, red, or orange to make them visually different than the standard green coolant, which does not have sufficient anti-corrosive reserve for use in MB engines, or for the 5 year life expected of Dex-Cool. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: speaking of bottled water, I saw a test recently - perhaos it was Consumers Reports and they found higher leverls od contamination in the bottled / spring water than in the water provided by the kitchen faucet. Of course, some kitchen faucets provde stuff undrinkable - but those are hopefully the exception. I once lived in a town near Chicago where the monthly water bill had warnings that the radium content of the water exceeded federal standards and drinking it could increase your risk of bone cancer. We had drinking water delivered in 5 gallon bottles, and only used the municipal water for bathing and laundry. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] 190E overheats
Zoltan wrote:was told long ago that straight water cools better than antifreeze. Check out http://autorepair.about.com/cs/coolingsystem/a/aa081101a.htm which has this table - Water 50:5070:30 AF/Water Freezing point - 32F-35F-67F Boiling Point212F223F235F As you can see, adding water provides additional protection. Pressurizing also helps. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190E overheats I was told long ago that straight water cools better than antifreeze. Of course this option is dismal for long term. Growing up in AZ, you run into a lot of cars that have straight water in them. Coolant leaks are common, and when you don't need freeze protection, straight water is a very convenient option. Cars so treated also have the corresponding rust in the system. I think this is what caused us to have to purchase a replacement engine for our then newly-purchased 240D. Brian On 5/28/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better boil-over protection at 75%, but you get reduced cooling capacity. Cadillac used to use 75% glycol for high temperature summer (tropical) applications. Better freeze protection, too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage
My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... She was riding home from work in Huntsville (she co-ops there, I'm in Starkville at the moment) with a friend. Its a 15 mile ride into work and there have been a group of people doing it for about three years now without incident. They take a bunch of winding two lane roads that avoid as many of the major intersections and traffic as possible. They all wear helmets. They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Accidents still happen though because for some reason (hitting the tire of the guy in front, hitting a rock in the road or something) Jenn lost control of her bike and veered into oncoming traffic. The car did her absolute best to avoid Jenn... it was the 4th car they had seen on their 8 or so miles on the road. No matter how safe you try to make things accidents still happen. Just do the best that you can and what your comfortable with. http://www.bradfordokeefe.com/obituaries/view_obit.php?id=2131 John
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
Allan Streib wrote: How many times have I had to stand on the brakes to avoid clobbering some ipod-wearing, text-message-absorbed student who simply crosses the street without so much as a glance to the side. Not that this forgives them any (or keep them from cleaning up the gene pool) but on most college campuses the pedestrians have the right-away and students don't need to look in the crosswalks (it is at MSU at least!). So it might be an out of habit kind of thing. John
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage
Sorry for your loss, John. You just never know All anyone can do is make sure they are taking all known/reasonable precautions...you don't want to give fate an advantage. Bob R. - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... She was riding home from work in Huntsville (she co-ops there, I'm in Starkville at the moment) with a friend. Its a 15 mile ride into work and there have been a group of people doing it for about three years now without incident. They take a bunch of winding two lane roads that avoid as many of the major intersections and traffic as possible. They all wear helmets. They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Accidents still happen though because for some reason (hitting the tire of the guy in front, hitting a rock in the road or something) Jenn lost control of her bike and veered into oncoming traffic. The car did her absolute best to avoid Jenn... it was the 4th car they had seen on their 8 or so miles on the road. No matter how safe you try to make things accidents still happen. Just do the best that you can and what your comfortable with. http://www.bradfordokeefe.com/obituaries/view_obit.php?id=2131 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage
Very sorry for your loss JohnI don't even know what to say. Best wishes, Mike - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... She was riding home from work in Huntsville (she co-ops there, I'm in Starkville at the moment) with a friend. Its a 15 mile ride into work and there have been a group of people doing it for about three years now without incident. They take a bunch of winding two lane roads that avoid as many of the major intersections and traffic as possible. They all wear helmets. They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Accidents still happen though because for some reason (hitting the tire of the guy in front, hitting a rock in the road or something) Jenn lost control of her bike and veered into oncoming traffic. The car did her absolute best to avoid Jenn... it was the 4th car they had seen on their 8 or so miles on the road. No matter how safe you try to make things accidents still happen. Just do the best that you can and what your comfortable with. http://www.bradfordokeefe.com/obituaries/view_obit.php?id=2131 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Distilled water here and there
You should use distilled water in your battery to limit the odd ions in the electrolyte. But that is really a minor effect, and people use tap water in batteries all the time without noticeable loss of battery life. Years ago when I pumped gas, I remember well being told to fill up the battery water container and let is sit still. We provided sfill water for batteries at that gas station. So did all the others. There is a better reason to use distilled water in cololant. Using distilled or deionized water in coolant minimizes corrosion, particularly of aluminum components. Some tap waters promote corrosion more so than others, depending on their dissolved solids content, and to some extent on the dissolved solids themselves. Some waters have dissolved sulfide ions and watch out if that is the case. All corrosion is electrochemical in nature. Electrochemical corrosion requires a hard (metal) connection between the anodic material (which corrodes) and the cathodic material (which does not in general). Corrosion also requires a connection through an electrolyte, a liquid, to complete what is called a corrosion cell. Cells can be large or small, and the differences in metals at the crystalline level explain why corrosion always involves pitting by very small corrosion cells. Tap water makes an excellent electrolyte for purposes of corrosion in most cases because of its dissolved solids content. Distilled or deionized water has practically no dissolved solids, is not an electrolyte, that is, it does not conduct electicity. Ethylene and propylene glycols are organic liquids that do not conduct electricity. No electrolyte in cooling system means no corrosion. It is that simple. Use distilled or deionized water for best results and longest component life. Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink Revolves Around You. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 29 15:12:21 2007 Received: from [12.2.42.104] (helo=odin.envisagenow.com) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1Ht3Mz-000364-NL for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 29 May 2007 15:12:21 + Received: from STREIB ([12.2.42.56]) by odin.envisagenow.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 May 2007 11:12:18 -0400 Received: by STREIB (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 29 May 2007 11:12:18 -0400 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:12:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Bigham's message of Tue, 29 May 2007 09:47:16 -0500) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2007 15:12:18.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF6EA6D0:01C7A203] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Distilled water here and there X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:12:21 - Mercedes recommends use of tap water to dilute the coolant, unless it is exceptionally hard water. Pure distilled water is not electrolytic, but it is a rather good solvent and it will tend to pull minerals from the aluminum alloys in the head. Tap water already has some mineral load and is thus less aggressive in this sense. Of course an extremely high mineral content is bad also so that is why there is an exception for very hard water. Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You should use distilled water in your battery to limit the odd ions in the electrolyte. But that is really a minor effect, and people use tap water in batteries all the time without noticeable loss of battery life. Years ago when I pumped gas, I remember well being told to fill up the battery water container and let is sit still. We provided sfill water for batteries at that gas station. So did all the others. There is a better reason to use distilled water in cololant. Using distilled or deionized water in coolant minimizes corrosion, particularly of aluminum components. Some tap waters promote corrosion more so than others, depending on their dissolved solids content, and to some extent on the dissolved solids themselves. Some waters have dissolved sulfide ions and watch out if that is the case. All corrosion is electrochemical in nature.
Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs
Tom H said.Windows XP has no problem connecting to an ftp site without a special ftp program. That's true, but it's been my experience that Explorer has problems making large downloads...e.g. the contents of a CD-ROM. My company's clients often upload very large (1GB) zip files to our ftp site, and have all kinds of problems with Explorer. I've also seen it with unzipped directories. The transfer just slows down and eventually stops. We recommend that our users use a product called Filezilla to do ftp uploads and downloads from our site. Besides, it seems to be faster than Explorer... Royce Engler '85 300TD 298K (expect to break 300K in the next couple of weeks)
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
Oops. Got confused with another email thread I had going on. I *meant* to refer to coolant, not batteries. -Dave Walton On 5/29/07, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I won't drink my tap water. Why would I ever feed it to my battery?? -Dave Walton On 5/29/07, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29/05/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's out there, and I bought a lot of it when I had a mystery leak on the Volvo (and while the head gasket was bad on the 300D) -- much easier to nip into the store and grab the premix and pour. Needless to say, everything is now on a steady diet of G-05 and distilled water. Peter Peter, You shouldn't use distilled water in the coolant. Use it for your battery but not coolant. If Marshall was here he'd explain the chemistry but I think it may have to do with ionization. Tap water is better than distilled unless you have VERY hard water in your area. Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Distilled water here and there
Allan Streib wrote: Mercedes recommends use of tap water to dilute the coolant, unless it is exceptionally hard water. Pure distilled water is not electrolytic, but it is a rather good solvent and it will tend to pull minerals from the aluminum alloys in the head. Tap water already has some mineral load and is thus less aggressive in this sense. Of course an extremely high mineral content is bad also so that is why there is an exception for very hard water. IIRC, the reason we *have* to use MB coolant is that there are lots of anti-corrosion additives, and this is why the coolant needs changed every two years. Newer MB's have a pouch or something that keeps delivering the anti-corrosion chemical... so the coolant only needs changed every 7 years or so. John
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
i run 1/3 coolant and 2/3 water, btw On 5/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proper mixture is 50:50 whether you mix it or it's premixed. Last time I bought it from the MB dealer (Feb 06) it was concentrated and needed to be mixed with H2O. I have never, ever, seen premixed antifreeze and water. Why in the world would anyone buy water? RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
On 5/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never, ever, seen premixed antifreeze and water. Why in the world would anyone buy water? You don't have a water bill? ;)
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
J Hur (that's [among other things I'm sure] is what the kids would call you) typed: i run 1/3 coolant and 2/3 water, btw I too run more H2O than coolant usually since I live on the surface of the sun. So...that leads to the question: That peach colored stuff we mix with water and put in our radiatorsis it more a coolant or an antifreeze? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 173K '87 Acura Legend 184K Goodyear, AZ
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
more an antifreeze and anticorrosive. i presume it raises the boiling temperature over that of water, but maybe it is just the system pressure that does that. water is a superior coolant however. On 5/29/07, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: J Hur (that's [among other things I'm sure] is what the kids would call you) typed: i run 1/3 coolant and 2/3 water, btw I too run more H2O than coolant usually since I live on the surface of the sun. So...that leads to the question: That peach colored stuff we mix with water and put in our radiatorsis it more a coolant or an antifreeze? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 173K '87 Acura Legend 184K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: unusual diesel conversion
Anybody else see Pimp My Ride on Sunday night? It was a special Earth Day show. The featured car was a '65 Impala with a souped-up Duramax V-8 and Allison tranny, running on biodiesel. It looked like extensive modifications to the firewall were necessary to fit the drivetrain in, along with a big power bulge in the hood to cover it up. Claimed 800 hp, 1400 lb-ft, and 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds. The car was shown smoking a late-model Lamborghini of some sort at the drag strip. Fun stuff. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
If you really never need freeze protection maybe just water and anti-corrosion (e.g. Water Wetter[1]) would be good, at least as far as optimal heat-transfer capability? Footnotes: [1] http://www.redlineoil.com/products_coolant.asp?subCategoryID=4 Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: more an antifreeze and anticorrosive. i presume it raises the boiling temperature over that of water, but maybe it is just the system pressure that does that. water is a superior coolant however. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage
John, My condolences to you-I am so sorry to read this. However, thank you for sharing this-I cycle about 700 miles a season, mostly on rural roads and in a small village. After a close call last fall (Cellphone, mini van, not looking at me, etc) I started wearing HI VIZ green jersey and have a HI VIZ green helmet cover-I realize that only helps the visibility issue, not the freak accident likelihood. Best, Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:02 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... She was riding home from work in Huntsville (she co-ops there, I'm in Starkville at the moment) with a friend. Its a 15 mile ride into work and there have been a group of people doing it for about three years now without incident. They take a bunch of winding two lane roads that avoid as many of the major intersections and traffic as possible. They all wear helmets. They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Accidents still happen though because for some reason (hitting the tire of the guy in front, hitting a rock in the road or something) Jenn lost control of her bike and veered into oncoming traffic. The car did her absolute best to avoid Jenn... it was the 4th car they had seen on their 8 or so miles on the road. No matter how safe you try to make things accidents still happen. Just do the best that you can and what your comfortable with. http://www.bradfordokeefe.com/obituaries/view_obit.php?id=2131 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E
Oh, come, come, couldn't you see the tongue in my cheek? There tends to be regular promotion of only the best synthetic whatever. I wonder how many threads, or posts there have been in regard to Mobile 1 and the various grades etc. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hendrik Riessen Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E Don't confuse people, if it is good enough to drink it is good enough to go in the engine. - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E Remember however, that with any Mercedes it will be imperative that one use only the best synthetic water to mix with the MB specific coolant. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E On Mon, 28 May 2007 08:16:34 -0400 kok.hong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I filled it up with MB coolant (no mixing) and drove it. You should mix your coolant 1:1 with water (dilute it to 50% concentration). Questions: 1) did I screw up the ratio in MB coolant and water? Did you dilute the coolant? 2) is there a way to measure the specific gravity instead of ratio? Yes, the small plastic gauges Prestone makes to measure the freezing and boiling temperatures of coolant actually work by measuring the specific gravity. 3) drain the radiator and replace with water? No. 4) is the thermostat faulty? But it was replace about a year ago. Also, I check the hoses (top and bottom which returns to the recovery tank) are hot. I had to cool the engine by turning on the window defroster to keep the engine temp at 90C. Otherwise it is at 100C or more. Both hoses being hot seem to indicate that the thermostat is opening and that the coolant is flowing through the radiator. Turning on the defroster and having the temperature drop shows that there is insufficient cooling, but that the water pump is indeed pumping water. Rich Thomas mentioned the possibility of an air bubble. You could eliminate that by stopping the car on a steep hill (front end up the hill) and removing the radiator cap, squeezing the hoses to eliminate any air bubbles, and filling the radiator to the brim. It seems to me, though, that the symptoms point to insufficient air flow through the radiator. Does it have a mechanically driven fan or electric fan? If it's mechanical, is there a thermostatic clutch on the fan? If it's electric, does it operate? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Question for list about 300TD fixer
87's? Or are we talking W123's? Kaleb C. Striplin said: Yea, it would have been worth 5-600, its WAY too much right now considering a guy has 2 of them he wants me to buy, $2500 for one and $3500 for the other. Both run and drive fine, one has a new head Allan Streib wrote: It's up to almost $1,300. I was thinking if I could get it for $500 it might have be worth sorting out all the problems, but it was past that price days ago. Allan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
There are NO regulations on bottled water. It does not have to be bacteria free, it doesn't have to meet potability standards, etc. Thank goodness most of it is grossly overpriced city tap water, although it doesn't have to be. Peter -Original Message- From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 29, 2007 9:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] premixed? speaking of bottled water, I saw a test recently - perhaos it was Consumers Reports and they found higher leverls od contamination in the bottled / spring water than in the water provided by the kitchen faucet. Of course, some kitchen faucets provde stuff undrinkable - but those are hopefully the exception. One thing to rememeber - we are a minority in that most of the people in the world have limited access to fresh water and those that do usually have to send a crumb-snatcher fo fetch it. Being able to move a lever and see *fresh* water flowing into a glass must look like magic to a large part of the worlds population. Sorry - that's the days useless bit of trivia - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] premixed? You can get ready to go coolant but that is irrelevant to MB cars. Also a lot of people seem to buy bottled water to drink, you know that fancy tap water that is sold as coming from the rarest of rare springs high up in the Andes mountaines. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] premixed? Proper mixture is 50:50 whether you mix it or it's premixed. Last time I bought it from the MB dealer (Feb 06) it was concentrated and needed to be mixed with H2O. I have never, ever, seen premixed antifreeze and water. Why in the world would anyone buy water? RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E
I really have to say that I prefer having dye in the bottle. I have some in the garage now that is clear and when I add, I always wonder if I may have filled the bottle with water only. I try to label the jugs as mixed or straight but I am not anal enough to be totally consistent and sometimes months go by and I end up wondering what exactly is in the jug. At least the color tells you it is actually an anti freeze mixture of some sort. I will generally mix about 50 -50 so it is generally good to go if it appears to be clean and not used in the jug. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:39 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E Glycol is colorless. The color of the coolant is dye, and the long life and MB types for high aluminum content engines are dyed yellow, red, or orange to make them visually different than the standard green coolant, which does not have sufficient anti-corrosive reserve for use in MB engines, or for the 5 year life expected of Dex-Cool. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: unusual diesel conversion
X to da Z is off da hook, yo. Bob R - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:50 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT: unusual diesel conversion Anybody else see Pimp My Ride on Sunday night? It was a special Earth Day show. The featured car was a '65 Impala with a souped-up Duramax V-8 and Allison tranny, running on biodiesel. It looked like extensive modifications to the firewall were necessary to fit the drivetrain in, along with a big power bulge in the hood to cover it up. Claimed 800 hp, 1400 lb-ft, and 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds. The car was shown smoking a late-model Lamborghini of some sort at the drag strip. Fun stuff. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190E overheats
Plain water cools better (that is, it transfers heat from the engine to the air better) so long as it is liquid. However, the temperature of the head is above the boiling point of water quite often in the summer, so the water boils and steam transfers MUCH less heat than water -- roasted head. The glycol raises the boiling point considerably, so does the 20 psi pressure capacity of the cooling system, allowing the coolant to stay liquid and do it's job properly. Plain water will also permit electrolytic corrosion of the aluminum parts, and with no protection, it doesn't take long for it to eat large holes in aluminum parts. Peter -Original Message- From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 29, 2007 9:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190E overheats Zoltan wrote:was told long ago that straight water cools better than antifreeze. Check out http://autorepair.about.com/cs/coolingsystem/a/aa081101a.htm which has this table - Water 50:5070:30 AF/Water Freezing point - 32F-35F-67F Boiling Point212F223F235F As you can see, adding water provides additional protection. Pressurizing also helps. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190E overheats I was told long ago that straight water cools better than antifreeze. Of course this option is dismal for long term. Growing up in AZ, you run into a lot of cars that have straight water in them. Coolant leaks are common, and when you don't need freeze protection, straight water is a very convenient option. Cars so treated also have the corresponding rust in the system. I think this is what caused us to have to purchase a replacement engine for our then newly-purchased 240D. Brian On 5/28/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better boil-over protection at 75%, but you get reduced cooling capacity. Cadillac used to use 75% glycol for high temperature summer (tropical) applications. Better freeze protection, too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] more cooling discussion
First a confession- my 240D has the green stuff in it from a PO and I need to get it out of there and will do so in the next few weeks, when I get time. I have had this car 4 ½ years-some PO pulled out aux fan, part of AC system, etc. For the first 3 ½ years it almost never ran above 175-180F, except on an Eyetalian tune up on I 95 on a hot summer day. Last summer I noticed that it would warm up under load even at ambient temps of 40F and would go up to about the 212-horizontal line. Never went above it and always came back down with less demand in engine. So apart from changing the evil green stuff to G-05, what is the next most likely cause of this symptom? Since it is still a minor problem, I am thinking of just trying this first because I no longer drive this car as my 300-500 miles a week commuter car. I do know about cooling systems in other cars, such as belts, thermostat, etc. So what should I do first, either after or in conjunction with the refill? TIA Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI
Re: [MBZ] premixed?
If you never need freeze protection, chances are you are in a tropical environment and instead need boilover protection. The practical limit for pressure is 20 psi (hard to keep the hoses on the fittings above that), so you need something to keep the coolant from boiling. Water Wetter won't cut it. Peter
Re: [MBZ] more cooling discussion
Check the radiator for a cold spot in front of the fan. If it's aluminum, and it does have a cold spot, likely it will have to be replaced. Green stuff often contains phosphates as anticorrisives, and they precipitate a calcium/aluminum/phosphate crud that cannot be removed by anything that also doesn't remove the aluminum radiator. Also check for a failed thermostat that doesn't open all the way, a bad visco clutch if you have one, and waterpump output (eroded impellor will cause reduced cooling). You should only see an increase in temp above the thermostat opening temp under heavy load, such as climbing long grades on the interstate on the summer in the mountains with the AC on. Peter -Original Message- From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 29, 2007 12:20 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] more cooling discussion First a confession- my 240D has the green stuff in it from a PO and I need to get it out of there and will do so in the next few weeks, when I get time. I have had this car 4 ½ years-some PO pulled out aux fan, part of AC system, etc. For the first 3 ½ years it almost never ran above 175-180F, except on an Eyetalian tune up on I 95 on a hot summer day. Last summer I noticed that it would warm up under load even at ambient temps of 40F and would go up to about the 212-horizontal line. Never went above it and always came back down with less demand in engine. So apart from changing the evil green stuff to G-05, what is the next most likely cause of this symptom? Since it is still a minor problem, I am thinking of just trying this first because I no longer drive this car as my 300-500 miles a week commuter car. I do know about cooling systems in other cars, such as belts, thermostat, etc. So what should I do first, either after or in conjunction with the refill? TIA Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more cooling discussion
Peter, I don't want to do all of these at once-given my very specific symptoms, what do you think is the most likely culprit? No water pump leakage-I have added coolant mix only once (maybe twice) in the time I have had the car-have driven it about 60K miles. Apart from the corrosion properties of the green stuff, how likely is it that it has lost some of its ability to cool? Thanks, Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more cooling discussion Check the radiator for a cold spot in front of the fan. If it's aluminum, and it does have a cold spot, likely it will have to be replaced. Green stuff often contains phosphates as anticorrisives, and they precipitate a calcium/aluminum/phosphate crud that cannot be removed by anything that also doesn't remove the aluminum radiator. Also check for a failed thermostat that doesn't open all the way, a bad visco clutch if you have one, and waterpump output (eroded impellor will cause reduced cooling). You should only see an increase in temp above the thermostat opening temp under heavy load, such as climbing long grades on the interstate on the summer in the mountains with the AC on. Peter -Original Message- From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 29, 2007 12:20 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] more cooling discussion First a confession- my 240D has the green stuff in it from a PO and I need to get it out of there and will do so in the next few weeks, when I get time. I have had this car 4 ½ years-some PO pulled out aux fan, part of AC system, etc. For the first 3 ½ years it almost never ran above 175-180F, except on an Eyetalian tune up on I 95 on a hot summer day. Last summer I noticed that it would warm up under load even at ambient temps of 40F and would go up to about the 212-horizontal line. Never went above it and always came back down with less demand in engine. So apart from changing the evil green stuff to G-05, what is the next most likely cause of this symptom? Since it is still a minor problem, I am thinking of just trying this first because I no longer drive this car as my 300-500 miles a week commuter car. I do know about cooling systems in other cars, such as belts, thermostat, etc. So what should I do first, either after or in conjunction with the refill? TIA Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: unusual diesel conversion
Better believe those claims are accurate...That's Gale Banks',of Banks turbo fame, personal ride. Mike - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT: unusual diesel conversion Anybody else see Pimp My Ride on Sunday night? It was a special Earth Day show. The featured car was a '65 Impala with a souped-up Duramax V-8 and Allison tranny, running on biodiesel. It looked like extensive modifications to the firewall were necessary to fit the drivetrain in, along with a big power bulge in the hood to cover it up. Claimed 800 hp, 1400 lb-ft, and 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds. The car was shown smoking a late-model Lamborghini of some sort at the drag strip. Fun stuff. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more cooling discussion
Hmph, a 240D with a Farenheit temp guage? I've never seen one of those. Mike - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: [MBZ] more cooling discussion First a confession- my 240D has the green stuff in it from a PO and I need to get it out of there and will do so in the next few weeks, when I get time. I have had this car 4 ½ years-some PO pulled out aux fan, part of AC system, etc. For the first 3 ½ years it almost never ran above 175-180F, except on an Eyetalian tune up on I 95 on a hot summer day. Last summer I noticed that it would warm up under load even at ambient temps of 40F and would go up to about the 212-horizontal line. Never went above it and always came back down with less demand in engine. So apart from changing the evil green stuff to G-05, what is the next most likely cause of this symptom? Since it is still a minor problem, I am thinking of just trying this first because I no longer drive this car as my 300-500 miles a week commuter car. I do know about cooling systems in other cars, such as belts, thermostat, etc. So what should I do first, either after or in conjunction with the refill? TIA Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs
It seems than at Mon, 28 May 2007 18:17:49 -0500, Wonko wrote: Anybody know what that site belongs to? There isn't a contact me anywhere that I can see. On 5/28/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, that just might do it. Might have to drop the guy an email and ask if I can use his work on my/our site. On 5/28/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://web.mac.com/dakota/iWeb/Mercedes/Indexes.html appears to have what is needed. In the ReadMe.pdf in the zip it says: Regards, Steve Nervig Seattle © Copyright 2003, 2004, 2005 Steve Nervig No mention of any license info. A little work with google came up with dakota at mac dot com From the MB Coupes forum site http://www.mbcoupes.com/ -- Philip
Re: [MBZ] more cooling discussion
Well it's an older one-my brother's 78 has one too. Maybe they changed to Celsius in 81 when they went to the ACC system? Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Canfield Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more cooling discussion Hmph, a 240D with a Farenheit temp guage? I've never seen one of those. Mike - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: [MBZ] more cooling discussion First a confession- my 240D has the green stuff in it from a PO and I need to get it out of there and will do so in the next few weeks, when I get time. I have had this car 4 ½ years-some PO pulled out aux fan, part of AC system, etc. For the first 3 ½ years it almost never ran above 175-180F, except on an Eyetalian tune up on I 95 on a hot summer day. Last summer I noticed that it would warm up under load even at ambient temps of 40F and would go up to about the 212-horizontal line. Never went above it and always came back down with less demand in engine. So apart from changing the evil green stuff to G-05, what is the next most likely cause of this symptom? Since it is still a minor problem, I am thinking of just trying this first because I no longer drive this car as my 300-500 miles a week commuter car. I do know about cooling systems in other cars, such as belts, thermostat, etc. So what should I do first, either after or in conjunction with the refill? TIA Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
You know, I was very surprised when I heard that passing a line of stopped cars on the right is illegal! I am totally opposed to this law, if it is really a law, because it effectively takes away the one advantage that bike riding provides - the ability to avoid traffic snarls! I just look at the people sitting motionless in their cars and feel a huge scream suckers!! in my mind. I for one will continue to blow by lines of stopped cars lined up at traffic lights, and will continue to feel the JOY of knowing that while cars can get there faster and with more conveniene and safety, I do have this one huge advantage. It is only just that cyclists should be able to enjoy this advantage. Childish - yes - I admit it, but I love the feeling of passing some clown that has dangerously veered toward me (yes, sometimes on purpose) as he passed me a few moments ago. And I will confront them when I catch up to them. I have never had anyone with the courage to back up their cowardly behavior conducted from the safety of their steel cage that wisks them away from consequences. Yes, cyclists do need to obey stop signs, though I will blow one if there is no one around (something I will much more rarely do in a car, since if I miss something behind the wheel, I am liable for major damage). But if there are cars to interact with at an intersection I will conduct myself exactly by the rules of automotive driving (which, by the way, most people really don't play by - instead they like to play the get eye contact and wave the other person on game). It should be about whose car stopped at the appropriate place first, and if there's a tie, the person on the right goes first - nice and simple. Brian Before anyone says it - yes, I do need help, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Allan wrote: Or the bicyclists who pass a line of cars on the right, run a stop sign, and then flip you the finger when you give them a little heads up beep on the horn. On 5/29/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Last time I checked here, a bicycle _is_ a car so far as the law is concerned. You treat them like such, and you ride them like such. And it stinks, last time I was forced to (single, and having my truck worked on at at shop that wasn't particularly close to work) ride on city streets some asshole in a new Hummer (pre-H2) nearly clipped me as he roared past me on the left in the turn lane. (I was preparing to make my turn to the left.) Totally a ticketable offense, but where's a cop when you need him? I sympathize, though here in this college town it's the bicycles and pedestrians who don't pay attention. How many times have I had to stand on the brakes to avoid clobbering some ipod-wearing, text-message-absorbed student who simply crosses the street without so much as a glance to the side. Or the bicyclists who pass a line of cars on the right, run a stop sign, and then flip you the finger when you give them a little heads up beep on the horn. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage
Now that is interesting. I'll have to think about this one. I agree with the spirit of the statement, and it may be legally true, but - wow, the consequences it would bring in the form of enraged motorists. That in itself may invite the most danger? brian Mitch wrote: If there is not room to safely share the lane, the cyclist may and should ride far enough to the left to force passing traffic to wait until it is safe to change lanes to pass. It's not arrogance. Riding as far to the right as practicible does not require inviting motorists to endanger you. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage
OH my goodness, man. I don't know what to say either. I think about the possibility every time I ride. We are at a trememdous disadvantage. Brian On 5/29/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... She was riding home from work in Huntsville (she co-ops there, I'm in Starkville at the moment) with a friend. Its a 15 mile ride into work and there have been a group of people doing it for about three years now without incident. They take a bunch of winding two lane roads that avoid as many of the major intersections and traffic as possible. They all wear helmets. They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Accidents still happen though because for some reason (hitting the tire of the guy in front, hitting a rock in the road or something) Jenn lost control of her bike and veered into oncoming traffic. The car did her absolute best to avoid Jenn... it was the 4th car they had seen on their 8 or so miles on the road. No matter how safe you try to make things accidents still happen. Just do the best that you can and what your comfortable with. http://www.bradfordokeefe.com/obituaries/view_obit.php?id=2131 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: unusual diesel conversion
HA! Was wondering when this show would come up again, as I mentioned it. Hard to believe, but I do stop and watch that show now, when I flip by it. It's ridiculous, but in a way that all can enjoy - not just hip-hoppers, or whatever they're called. They pimped an '80s S class recently. Brian On 5/29/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better believe those claims are accurate...That's Gale Banks',of Banks turbo fame, personal ride. Mike - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT: unusual diesel conversion Anybody else see Pimp My Ride on Sunday night? It was a special Earth Day show. The featured car was a '65 Impala with a souped-up Duramax V-8 and Allison tranny, running on biodiesel. It looked like extensive modifications to the firewall were necessary to fit the drivetrain in, along with a big power bulge in the hood to cover it up. Claimed 800 hp, 1400 lb-ft, and 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds. The car was shown smoking a late-model Lamborghini of some sort at the drag strip. Fun stuff. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Question for list about 300TD fixer
This one was an 87, but it had a broken valve, trashed head and piston, and signs of other mediocre care and feeding (cheap respray that was now peeling off in sheets, electrical hackery, etc). Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 87's? Or are we talking W123's? Kaleb C. Striplin said: Yea, it would have been worth 5-600, its WAY too much right now considering a guy has 2 of them he wants me to buy, $2500 for one and $3500 for the other. Both run and drive fine, one has a new head Allan Streib wrote: It's up to almost $1,300. I was thinking if I could get it for $500 it might have be worth sorting out all the problems, but it was past that price days ago. Allan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Thank God for Microsoft -- Linus Torvalds ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage
I'm really sorry for your loss. I have ridden a bicycle for commutes, and day to day running around. It can get really scary. Drivers assume that they have the right of way. Even when a bicycle rider is doing the right thing there are always people that don't want to allow you to share the road. Granted, I'm slower in most cases than the rest of traffic, but I try to keep to the right as much as possible. There are times when I have to be in traffic lanes, parked cars are a huge danger. Drivers in certain areas will not let me get around a car parked on the shoulder where I try to ride as much as possible. I certainly don't want to try doing 20+ mph on the sidewalk. Would it hurt that much to tap your brakes and let me get around the car? Add in cell phones, crying kids in a minivan or SUV, or other inattentive drivers, and you have a very dangerous way to get to work. Also consider that the far right of the road can often be a really bad place to be, debris, trash, gravel, dry leaves, downed tree limbs, all collect there and add to the dangers. Motorcycle riders are generally cool, as they share many of the same dangers. I do try to follow traffic laws, although I have been known to blow through stop signs if I time it right and end up at the intersection at the same time as a car that is starting to go from the stop. On 5/29/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OH my goodness, man. I don't know what to say either. I think about the possibility every time I ride. We are at a trememdous disadvantage. Brian On 5/29/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife passed away at the beginning of this month while she was road bicycling... She was riding home from work in Huntsville (she co-ops there, I'm in Starkville at the moment) with a friend. Its a 15 mile ride into work and there have been a group of people doing it for about three years now without incident. They take a bunch of winding two lane roads that avoid as many of the major intersections and traffic as possible. They all wear helmets. They were riding basically on the white line to let the few cars they did see have plenty of room. So they did everything right to be good safe bicyclists and avoid getting in a wreck. Accidents still happen though because for some reason (hitting the tire of the guy in front, hitting a rock in the road or something) Jenn lost control of her bike and veered into oncoming traffic. The car did her absolute best to avoid Jenn... it was the 4th car they had seen on their 8 or so miles on the road. No matter how safe you try to make things accidents still happen. Just do the best that you can and what your comfortable with. http://www.bradfordokeefe.com/obituaries/view_obit.php?id=2131 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more cooling discussion
Guess I really never paid any attention to any older than my 82. Mike - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] more cooling discussion Well it's an older one-my brother's 78 has one too. Maybe they changed to Celsius in 81 when they went to the ACC system? Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Canfield Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more cooling discussion Hmph, a 240D with a Farenheit temp guage? I've never seen one of those. Mike - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: [MBZ] more cooling discussion First a confession- my 240D has the green stuff in it from a PO and I need to get it out of there and will do so in the next few weeks, when I get time. I have had this car 4 ½ years-some PO pulled out aux fan, part of AC system, etc. For the first 3 ½ years it almost never ran above 175-180F, except on an Eyetalian tune up on I 95 on a hot summer day. Last summer I noticed that it would warm up under load even at ambient temps of 40F and would go up to about the 212-horizontal line. Never went above it and always came back down with less demand in engine. So apart from changing the evil green stuff to G-05, what is the next most likely cause of this symptom? Since it is still a minor problem, I am thinking of just trying this first because I no longer drive this car as my 300-500 miles a week commuter car. I do know about cooling systems in other cars, such as belts, thermostat, etc. So what should I do first, either after or in conjunction with the refill? TIA Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more cooling discussion
My '66 230 has temperature in Farenheit and oil pressure in PSI. Allan Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Guess I really never paid any attention to any older than my 82. Mike - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] more cooling discussion Well it's an older one-my brother's 78 has one too. Maybe they changed to Celsius in 81 when they went to the ACC system? Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Canfield Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more cooling discussion Hmph, a 240D with a Farenheit temp guage? I've never seen one of those. Mike -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs
I probably won't be putting his index on the FTP site. I would, however, encourage folks to grab what he has and use it on your own. On 5/29/07, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems than at Mon, 28 May 2007 18:17:49 -0500, Wonko wrote: Anybody know what that site belongs to? There isn't a contact me anywhere that I can see. On 5/28/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, that just might do it. Might have to drop the guy an email and ask if I can use his work on my/our site. On 5/28/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://web.mac.com/dakota/iWeb/Mercedes/Indexes.html appears to have what is needed. In the ReadMe.pdf in the zip it says: Regards, Steve Nervig Seattle (c) Copyright 2003, 2004, 2005 Steve Nervig No mention of any license info. A little work with google came up with dakota at mac dot com From the MB Coupes forum site http://www.mbcoupes.com/ -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org
Re: [MBZ] M117 in W123
Part of my problem is that the scale of the repair undertaking seems overwhelming in consideration of the desirability (or lack thereof) for that particular model. That plus the totally bizarre use of stacked bricks to support the vehicle. Reminds me of a William Steig cartoon from the New Yorker... On 5/29/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But your question asks about it making economic sense...I am sure it makes none at all. I doubt that man is similar to very many others in his country so he would seem to me to be a poor example of that countries culture. Just a man that loves his car.Love makes no sense at all. Didn't mean to sound like I was snapping at you. Mike - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] M117 in W123 It's about the culture of that country, not money. I was mererly curious. On 5/29/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who cares? Why does eveything have to be about money to some folks? Mike - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] M117 in W123 Wonder what country has such cheap labor that this restoration makes economic sense? On 5/28/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep Mike Canfield wrote: Looks like a load of fun ay Kaleb? Mike - Original Message - -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers_was Fuel mileage
Hi, John. I'm so sorry for your loss. My wife, Ayla, has been thinking of getting a motor scooter to ride around. She's blind in one eye with some vision in the other, and the thought scares me to death. We do ride our side-by-side recumbent tandem, but it's highly visible and about 4' wide and hard to miss. Of course, our airhorn has saved us on several occasions when drivers have pulled out of driveways totally unaware of our presence. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
