Re: [MBZ] OT, boot from external drive

2007-06-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
no, I dont think the hardware is bad, I think its a software issue. 
Sometimes it does it, sometimes it doesnt.  Who knows.


OK Don wrote:

If it started working fine, then suddenly went to crap, I'd start
thinking bad hardware ---

On 6/4/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Its very strange.  I turned it on and it worked fine, then all the
sudden it started freaking out again with the long thin windows that
display nothing.  Im sure you have no clue what Im talking about, it
really has to be seen to believe.






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Re: [MBZ] my ugly 190D

2007-06-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I keep it under a car cover.  I messed with the sunroof the other day 
and its just loose and jammed.  You can move it back and forth somewhat 
but it will only close to a certain point.  Will need to be completely 
removed probably to fix the problem.  Luckely its not a tilt roof.


OK Don wrote:

I'm thinking that an ugly, cheap 190D is a good candidate for a
flower child paint job, complete with brush strokes --

The sunroof has been open, and it still needs to be aired out? Do you
actually have it covered?

On 6/3/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

uh, no

Ed Booher wrote:

You're wanting what  $75 for it?

On 6/3/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

floor panels are fine, I do not know if the odo works, it smells moldy,
needs to be aired out





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 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] CA '87 190D Was Re: [ SPAM ] Is Autocheck as good as Carfax

2007-06-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

oh jeez

Allan Streib wrote:

Here's an '86 for $2,295.  If you can stomach the gawdawful school-bus
yellow, and oh yeah the rebuilt title.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=223085014



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 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

not really.

Zoltan Finks wrote:

Does a car being a so-called grey market car present any issues to the owner
or buyer in terms of registering ownership or title? Are there any other
complications surrounding a grey market car?

Thanks
Brian
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Re: [MBZ] 116 vs 126 517.9xx engines

2007-06-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
The only thing I can say is to take the vacuum pump off and see how its 
setup behind it.  I would almost bet the newer one will fit just fine.


Hans Neureiter wrote:

If I do, I appreciate it.

I looked through the EPC and could not find anything on vac. pumps???

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As  I said I will send you the air cleaner if you need it.

Hans Neureiter wrote:

My 126 300SD is in need of an engine transplant and I have a engine
from a 116 donor car (thanks to Kaleb).
There are a few minor differences I noticed.
One of them is the vacuum pump.
The 116 has the double piston type, the 126 the single piston. Are
these pumps interchangeable?
I like to keep mine since it just got rebuilt and I have no idea what
the life span of the older double piston type may be.
The other thing is the aircleaner. The 116 has no oildrain from the
aircleaner to the pan, thus the pan does not have a hole/connection
for it. I was thinking of swapping the pans, but questioning if the
drain is a must. What if I plug the hole in the aircleaner? The deain
on the 126 had no rubber seals for a long time and it never leaked.


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Re: [MBZ] a new convert to Rusty

2007-06-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

now  you need to sign him up for the list.

Luther wrote:

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 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320

2007-06-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

head gasket leaks oil, evaporator issues, self distructing wiring harness

eric peterson wrote:

What problems should I look for in a 95 E320??  Car is
said to be well maintained with aprox 120K.  

Thanks in advance 
Eric

85 300CD 112K


   


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Re: [MBZ] 116 vs 126 517.9xx engines

2007-06-06 Thread John W. Reames III



On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


The only thing I can say is to take the vacuum pump off and see how its
setup behind it.  I would almost bet the newer one will fit just fine.


Umm wasn't there an oil passage added at some point?
-j.




Re: [MBZ] CA '87 190D Was Re: [ SPAM ] Is Autocheck as good as Carfax

2007-06-06 Thread John Freer

MB never had a 201, 2.5 in 1986 in the US market.

On 6/5/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

oh jeez

Allan Streib wrote:
 Here's an '86 for $2,295.  If you can stomach the gawdawful school-bus
 yellow, and oh yeah the rebuilt title.

 http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=223085014


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 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL,
 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] CA '87 190D Was Re: [ SPAM ] Is Autocheck as good as Carfax

2007-06-06 Thread Marshall Booth

John Freer wrote:

MB never had a 201, 2.5 in 1986 in the US market.



The 201.126 was available in the US as a non-turbo between '86 and '89. 
The turbo (201.128) was ONLY available in the US in '87 and less than 
1400 were imported.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] CA '87 190D Was Re: [ SPAM ] Is Autocheck as good as Carfax

2007-06-06 Thread Marshall Booth

Marshall Booth wrote:

John Freer wrote:

MB never had a 201, 2.5 in 1986 in the US market.



The 201.126 was available in the US as a non-turbo between '86 and '89. 
The turbo (201.128) was ONLY available in the US in '87 and less than 
1400 were imported.


Marshall


In '84-85 the 2.2 liter (201.122) was the only US delivered diesel 201.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] CA '87 190D Was Re: [ SPAM ] Is Autocheck as good as Carfax

2007-06-06 Thread John Freer

Ops: I meant to type 85 and I thought I was posting to the thread
about the banana colored  85 2.5 diesel.

On 6/5/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

John Freer wrote:
 MB never had a 201, 2.5 in 1986 in the US market.


The 201.126 was available in the US as a non-turbo between '86 and '89.
The turbo (201.128) was ONLY available in the US in '87 and less than
1400 were imported.

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Re: [MBZ] A/C compressor failure modes

2007-06-06 Thread Jim Cathey

Thanks guys, it all makes sense now!   The compressor is a Zexel
DKV-14D, which looks from a quick Google search to be found on a
number of other Japanese cars.  Should be plentiful in junkyards, I
guess.  Anybody know if these can be rebuilt, though, or if I could
maybe even replace it with ye olde stone-cold-reliable York?


Yorks are hard to fit in cars that weren't intended to take them.
They need a pretty beefy bracket, the lack of cylinders makes them
'throbby', and I think that can work them loose with time.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Jim Cathey
I'll back up what Zach said about the Lincoln SP135; it's a sweet 
setup.  I

love its ease of use and quality US-built construction.  I think I paid
~$300, three years ago.


I paid an extra $100 for Miller, and another $100 to get the 220V/175A
next larger welder.  So far, so good!

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] OT: I think this qualifies

2007-06-06 Thread Jim Cathey
It turns out the trigger was just dirty. I cleaned it up and put it 
all back in and it works just fine thus saving the family the price of 
a new lawnmower.


I *think* this qualifies as a Jim Cath[e]y repair


Absolutely!  Anytime you repair an existing electrical item instead
of replacing it is an automatic qualification...

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Jim Cathey

The Harbor Freight TIG is probably the scratch-start DC only unit that
my friend has, there is no foot pedal and no AC so you can not weld
aluminum...


That means it sucks?


Setting aside the super-cheap stuff for a moment, I have what I would
consider an entry level TIG and it set me back $1800, but it has AC
with wavebalance, adjustable weld paramaters, etc, etc.  It will do up
to 160 amps.  The TIG is way cool, I can weld my own aluminum
intercooler pipes, do fine repairs on exotic metals, etc.  However


I want TIG for the odd exotic/small items.  I just can't justify
that kind of scratch for it.


there are a lot of times where I wish I had a MIG as well it is much
faster and easier for the day to day stuff.  If you dont ever


Oh yeah, you need a MIG.  It's the first thing I reach for.  (The Miller
AC stick welder comes out for the big bad jobs, like 1/4 plate welding
on the crane frame, hard surfacing, or anything I don't really care 
about

burning holes in like the time I welded wheels on the bottom of the
shop oven.)

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] installing new radiio in old car??

2007-06-06 Thread Jim Cathey
a kit but I doubt there is any point in looking for something at an 
audio store to fit this old car. Don't want to alter the car to attach 
the radio if I can help it.


Can you fit a DIN sleeve to the car somehow?  Then the new unit just
slides into and out of it.

First take a microwave oven and some tin snips...

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread OK Don

At least in Oklahoma.

On 6/5/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

not really.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:05:57 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  Setting aside the super-cheap stuff for a moment, I have what I would
  consider an entry level TIG and it set me back $1800, but it has AC
  with wavebalance, adjustable weld paramaters, etc, etc.  It will do up
  to 160 amps.  The TIG is way cool, I can weld my own aluminum
  intercooler pipes, do fine repairs on exotic metals, etc.  However
 
 I want TIG for the odd exotic/small items.  I just can't justify
 that kind of scratch for it.
 
  there are a lot of times where I wish I had a MIG as well it is much
  faster and easier for the day to day stuff.  If you dont ever
 
 Oh yeah, you need a MIG.  It's the first thing I reach for...

OK, for those of us who are ignorant, what's the difference.

(And I broke out my Dayton buzz-box this past weekend for welding up some
16ga galvanized steel to make a new riser for our water meter cover. I had
it down to minimum (about 60 A) and wish it went still lower. Welding the
galvanized to the 1/4 steel plate that covers most of the meter pit was
difficult. It was the first time I had welded in 20 years. Looks like it,
too, but it's not going anywhere.)


Craig



Re: [MBZ] Need Help Locating Banjo Fittings!

2007-06-06 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:10:31 -0400 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thx Craig -
 Actually, I have a set of the ijection lines from an old 240D project, 
 - I  hadn't thought about them - I'l drag them out and check the sizes -
 except  for the lack of a barb fitting, they might be close.  Thx!! 
 I'll take a  look - had forgot I even had them.
 ;-)

Not the injection lines, but the fuel supply and return lines for the
injection pump. Those have banjo fittings and hose barbs.


Craig



Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
You must be making welds with muscles!

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:47 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:05:57 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  Setting aside the super-cheap stuff for a moment, I have what I would
  consider an entry level TIG and it set me back $1800, but it has AC
  with wavebalance, adjustable weld paramaters, etc, etc.  It will do up
  to 160 amps.  The TIG is way cool, I can weld my own aluminum
  intercooler pipes, do fine repairs on exotic metals, etc.  However
 
 I want TIG for the odd exotic/small items.  I just can't justify
 that kind of scratch for it.
 
  there are a lot of times where I wish I had a MIG as well it is much
  faster and easier for the day to day stuff.  If you dont ever
 
 Oh yeah, you need a MIG.  It's the first thing I reach for...

OK, for those of us who are ignorant, what's the difference.

(And I broke out my Dayton buzz-box this past weekend for welding up some
16ga galvanized steel to make a new riser for our water meter cover. I had
it down to minimum (about 60 A) and wish it went still lower. Welding the
galvanized to the 1/4 steel plate that covers most of the meter pit was
difficult. It was the first time I had welded in 20 years. Looks like it,
too, but it's not going anywhere.)


Craig

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[MBZ] test

2007-06-06 Thread Chaykowsky
I am trying to post.
Z


Re: [MBZ] test

2007-06-06 Thread OK Don

I see it ---

On 6/5/07, Chaykowsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am trying to post.
Z



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Re: [MBZ] test

2007-06-06 Thread E M

your post make it through Z

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I am trying to post.
Z
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Re: [MBZ] test

2007-06-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
OK.

Thanks,
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Subject: [MBZ] test

I am trying to post.
Z
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Re: [MBZ] A/C compressor failure modes

2007-06-06 Thread M.Afzaal.Khan
Jim   has aptly put it . the  car gets  a vibration  with the York cooling . 
I replaced mine with a  ND  unit  quiet efficient  and vibe free cooling

mak

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] A/C compressor failure modes



Thanks guys, it all makes sense now!   The compressor is a Zexel
DKV-14D, which looks from a quick Google search to be found on a
number of other Japanese cars.  Should be plentiful in junkyards, I
guess.  Anybody know if these can be rebuilt, though, or if I could
maybe even replace it with ye olde stone-cold-reliable York?


Yorks are hard to fit in cars that weren't intended to take them.
They need a pretty beefy bracket, the lack of cylinders makes them
'throbby', and I think that can work them loose with time.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Grey market

2007-06-06 Thread M.Afzaal.Khan


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: [Fwd: failure notice]-- HELP PLEASE!

2007-06-06 Thread OK Don

No problem - it's done.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:01:06 -0500 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:05:57 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
   
   I want TIG for the odd exotic/small items.  I just can't justify
   that kind of scratch for it.

   Oh yeah, you need a MIG.  It's the first thing I reach for...
  
  OK, for those of us who are ignorant, what's the difference.
  
  (And I broke out my Dayton buzz-box this past weekend for welding up
  some 16ga galvanized steel to make a new riser for our water meter
  cover. I had it down to minimum (about 60 A) and wish it went still
  lower. Welding the galvanized to the 1/4 steel plate that covers most
  of the meter pit was difficult. It was the first time I had welded in
  20 years. Looks like it, too, but it's not going anywhere.)
 
 You must be making welds with muscles!

Huh?


Craig



Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
Some experienced welders call welds with a lumps welds with muscles.
It's just a slang term for one of several bad welds.

Tom
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again
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On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:01:06 -0500 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:05:57 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
   
   I want TIG for the odd exotic/small items.  I just can't justify
   that kind of scratch for it.

   Oh yeah, you need a MIG.  It's the first thing I reach for...
  
  OK, for those of us who are ignorant, what's the difference.
  
  (And I broke out my Dayton buzz-box this past weekend for welding up
  some 16ga galvanized steel to make a new riser for our water meter
  cover. I had it down to minimum (about 60 A) and wish it went still
  lower. Welding the galvanized to the 1/4 steel plate that covers
most
  of the meter pit was difficult. It was the first time I had welded
in
  20 years. Looks like it, too, but it's not going anywhere.)
 
 You must be making welds with muscles!

Huh?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:59:29 -0500 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Some experienced welders call welds with a lumps welds with muscles.
 It's just a slang term for one of several bad welds.

Oh! I hadn't heard that term before, but it definitely fits.

I made some really good beads, and some really bad ones. Running 1/8 6013
at 90 amps would punch a hole in the vertical 16ga very easily. I ended up
making a lump beside the vertical 16ga galvanized with the 6013 and then
changing to 3/32 7014 and minimum current to join the galvanized to the
lump.


Craig



Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
The key is a steady hand and knowing how fast to move, so says a welder
who's much better than me.

Tom
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On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:59:29 -0500 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Some experienced welders call welds with a lumps welds with muscles.
 It's just a slang term for one of several bad welds.

Oh! I hadn't heard that term before, but it definitely fits.

I made some really good beads, and some really bad ones. Running 1/8
6013
at 90 amps would punch a hole in the vertical 16ga very easily. I ended
up
making a lump beside the vertical 16ga galvanized with the 6013 and then
changing to 3/32 7014 and minimum current to join the galvanized to the
lump.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:27:00 -0600 Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I ended up making a lump beside the vertical 16ga galvanized with the
 6013 and then changing to 3/32 7014 and minimum current to join the
 galvanized to the lump.

That is, a lump made by several passes with the rod to build the bead up
above the flat 1/4 plate.

Question: When using a stick welder, does one need to clean the slag off
  the bead before one runs another bead on top of it? Putting the
  stick down, taking off the helmet, getting the angle grinder,
  grinding off the slag, putting the helmet back on, picking up
  the stick and finally running another bead takes awhile.

Thanks,


Craig



Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
Yes, you need to clean the weld.

Tom
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On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:27:00 -0600 Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I ended up making a lump beside the vertical 16ga galvanized with the
 6013 and then changing to 3/32 7014 and minimum current to join the
 galvanized to the lump.

That is, a lump made by several passes with the rod to build the bead up
above the flat 1/4 plate.

Question: When using a stick welder, does one need to clean the slag off
  the bead before one runs another bead on top of it? Putting
the
  stick down, taking off the helmet, getting the angle grinder,
  grinding off the slag, putting the helmet back on, picking up
  the stick and finally running another bead takes awhile.

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Jim Cathey
Question: When using a stick welder, does one need to clean the slag 
off
  the bead before one runs another bead on top of it? Putting 
the


As I understand it, yes.  (That's one advantage of MIG: no slag.)


  stick down, taking off the helmet, getting the angle grinder,
  grinding off the slag, putting the helmet back on, picking up
  the stick and finally running another bead takes awhile.


Chipping hammer?  That's what I use.  That and an auto-darkening helmet.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Jim Cathey

OK, for those of us who are ignorant, what's the difference [TIG/MIG].


MIG is just an automated version of your basic stick welder.  It
feeds wire from a roll, either flux-core without shielding gas, or
plain wire with shielding gas.  Otherwise it's a lot like stick
welding, the arc is drawn between a consumable electrode and the
work.  TIG uses a non-consumable tungsten electrode to draw an
arc to the work.  Like gas welding/brazing, you feed in filler rod.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste

2007-06-06 Thread Loren Faeth
Buy softer, and cheaper pads.  The cheapest ones at NAPA work 
fine.  Pads are a place where more expensive is NOT 
better.  Expensive ones are hard, and designed to wear the rotors, 
not the pads.  That is why they usually come with a lifetime 
warranty.  Your rotors will fall off first.


I have never used ANY anti squeal anything.  My pads never squeal, 
and my rotors last a long long time.  AFAIK over 400k miles on the 
SDL. and they are still ok.


Loren

At 12:59 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote:

Is this anything like the sunroof lube in that it is quasi-magical and
has no equivalent in the 3rd party market?

I recently updated the brakes on my 300D (new calipers and pads all
around, new rotors in front) but did not use the MB anti-squeal paste.
Lo and behold, my brakes are now squealing quite annoyingly.

Can I get something locally that will address the issue, or do I need
to use the genuine MB paste?

Allan
--
1983 300D
1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread Allan Streib
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Makes me glad I live in Alabama.

Indiana -- no emissions check, no safety check.  You pay your
registration fees and you can drive it.

Has its good and bad points.  I occasionally see a car that absolutely
should NOT be on the road.

-- 
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1966 230



Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread Loren Faeth
I had some weirdities with the title for the 230TE.  It had a VIN 
issued by the state of MA, not the manufacturer.  But, I got it done.


Loren
only grey mkt car now is a 126 280SEL junker.  Good Euro engine and 
trans, if anyone is interested.



At 03:51 AM 6/5/2007, you wrote:

Does a car being a so-called grey market car present any issues to the owner
or buyer in terms of registering ownership or title? Are there any other
complications surrounding a grey market car?

Thanks
Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread Loren Faeth

Just give Rusty the VIN, he can get anything. (as in 123.123.10.xx)


At 09:07 AM 6/5/2007, you wrote:

Identifying and procuring the correct parts can occasionally
be interesting, but I believe they're all generally available.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
Same here, plus many do not have insurance. But I'll still take the good
with the bad.

Tom
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Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Makes me glad I live in Alabama.

Indiana -- no emissions check, no safety check.  You pay your
registration fees and you can drive it.

Has its good and bad points.  I occasionally see a car that absolutely
should NOT be on the road.

-- 
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1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste

2007-06-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
I used to subscribe to the cheapest is best theory but then I put
ceramic pads on the Jeep. Now I've decided to switch everything over as
I need pads. Braking is superior to even the soft, cheap pads plus brake
dust disappears. I'm sure that I'm wearing the rotors faster but it's
worth the trade for me.

Tom
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Buy softer, and cheaper pads.  The cheapest ones at NAPA work 
fine.  Pads are a place where more expensive is NOT 
better.  Expensive ones are hard, and designed to wear the rotors, 
not the pads.  That is why they usually come with a lifetime 
warranty.  Your rotors will fall off first.

I have never used ANY anti squeal anything.  My pads never squeal, 
and my rotors last a long long time.  AFAIK over 400k miles on the 
SDL. and they are still ok.

Loren

At 12:59 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote:
Is this anything like the sunroof lube in that it is quasi-magical and
has no equivalent in the 3rd party market?

I recently updated the brakes on my 300D (new calipers and pads all
around, new rotors in front) but did not use the MB anti-squeal paste.
Lo and behold, my brakes are now squealing quite annoyingly.

Can I get something locally that will address the issue, or do I need
to use the genuine MB paste?

Allan
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1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread Loren Faeth



My friend at cal state LA had NO problem passing LA smog check with 
his Grey  6.9.It helped that he was a professor of power and 
Mechanics, and his lab had all the toys, including dynos.  He was a 
true genius also.  He knew every type of fuel injection system inside 
and out, and designed and built 1 and 2 cyl FI systems  for 
research.  Same guy that built hydrogen engines and made a hydrogen 
turbine engine out of an old turbo.  His machining looked like a 
German machinist's masterpiece.  Always.


We will always miss Jim.

Loren

At 10:54 AM 6/5/2007, you wrote:

On 6/5/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are there any other
 complications surrounding a grey market car?


Emissions, emissions, emissions.

I will never again buy a gray-market car as long as I live in an area
that runs regular smog checks.  Getting the 1980 280SLC I used to own
registered in Oregon was a huge PITA.  Part of the smog check here
involves a visual check that all factory emissions equipment is
present and accounted for.  The DEQ drones look up your car by make
and model in a big book (now computerized, I think) and compare
pictures of what's supposed to be there with your car.  Since they
couldn't find the SLC in their book, it automatically failed.  (Guilty
until proven innocent!)

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC

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Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread Loren Faeth

Why bother?  A bb in the vacuum line is WAY cheaper and faster.

At 05:12 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote:



Alex Chamberlain wrote:

 This same visual inspection procedure also prevents me from removing
 the EGR from my 300D.  I'll be moving to another county where the
 rules are different any day now, though.

Seems like a solid copper EGR gasket would pass visual.

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Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread Loren Faeth



OM 60x are included in that fix also

At 05:18 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote:

Or a BB in the line if it is a 617!

On 6/5/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Alex Chamberlain wrote:
 
  This same visual inspection procedure also prevents me from removing
  the EGR from my 300D.  I'll be moving to another county where the
  rules are different any day now, though.

 Seems like a solid copper EGR gasket would pass visual.

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Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread Loren Faeth

Or you can use the original racer's edge, and add some bootleg hooch.

At 05:50 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote:

Makes me glad I live in Alabama.

I can even mix leaded 110 Octane racing fuel with 93 Octane Premium for my
converter free, 77 Corvette with no concerns in this state.

Thanks,
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Or a BB in the line if it is a 617!

On 6/5/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Alex Chamberlain wrote:
 
  This same visual inspection procedure also prevents me from removing
  the EGR from my 300D.  I'll be moving to another county where the
  rules are different any day now, though.

 Seems like a solid copper EGR gasket would pass visual.

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Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste

2007-06-06 Thread Loren Faeth
I can't argue on that.  I don't know how they work on older 
vehicles.   My reference is contrast to the metalic pads.  Most of 
the hard pads have some sort of metal in them.  Let us know how the 
pads and rotors are as you rack up the miles.


Loren



At 01:15 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:

I used to subscribe to the cheapest is best theory but then I put
ceramic pads on the Jeep. Now I've decided to switch everything over as
I need pads. Braking is superior to even the soft, cheap pads plus brake
dust disappears. I'm sure that I'm wearing the rotors faster but it's
worth the trade for me.

Tom
www.kegkits.com

Original Message
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 06/06/07 12:57 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [  SPAM  ] brake anti-squeal paste
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Buy softer, and cheaper pads.  The cheapest ones at NAPA work
fine.  Pads are a place where more expensive is NOT
better.  Expensive ones are hard, and designed to wear the rotors,
not the pads.  That is why they usually come with a lifetime
warranty.  Your rotors will fall off first.

I have never used ANY anti squeal anything.  My pads never squeal,
and my rotors last a long long time.  AFAIK over 400k miles on the
SDL. and they are still ok.

Loren

At 12:59 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote:
Is this anything like the sunroof lube in that it is quasi-magical and
has no equivalent in the 3rd party market?

I recently updated the brakes on my 300D (new calipers and pads all
around, new rotors in front) but did not use the MB anti-squeal paste.
Lo and behold, my brakes are now squealing quite annoyingly.

Can I get something locally that will address the issue, or do I need
to use the genuine MB paste?

Allan
--
1983 300D
1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
I'll add to that, TIG can do amazing things, but requires a greater 
degree of artistic skill and coordination  to operate, MIG is darn near 
idiot proof.

I've got the MIG, it even makes my welds look pretty  :-)
I used to have gas and stick weld setups, but didn't use them much . The 
mig setup gets used all the time. Easy to setup in a hurry for quick fixes.


Hobart had one of their demonstration trucks out at the local Tractor 
Supply one day letting folks try them out. Those guys are worse than  
bunch of drug dealers. Within 3 weeks I had one.


--Robert

Jim Cathey wrote:

OK, for those of us who are ignorant, what's the difference [TIG/MIG].



MIG is just an automated version of your basic stick welder.  It
feeds wire from a roll, either flux-core without shielding gas, or
plain wire with shielding gas.  Otherwise it's a lot like stick
welding, the arc is drawn between a consumable electrode and the
work.  TIG uses a non-consumable tungsten electrode to draw an
arc to the work.  Like gas welding/brazing, you feed in filler rod.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread Zoltan Finks

Okay, guys, here is something y'all might be interested in - I know I am!
But I can't have it!

Look on craigslist under Charlottesville? Virginia. It's a 190D supposed
Euro with manual windows and manual sunroof, and a 2.2 5 speed. *BUT* it is
in very rough shape - you would essentially be buying it to restore. The
lady ran it on veggie oil and now says it has timing problems. And the
trunk, she recently discovered, is filled to the brim in the spare tire well
with spilled peanut oil. She claims F and R suspension problems. She claims
front bumper pushed in to the point that it impedes the fan

Before any of you go reading her the riot act via email, take it easy - she
is really a nice lady, and nice and forthcoming with all the problems with
the car. She doesn't claim to know much about these cars, she's just sort of
a flower child, I think.

I wish I could buy this car, but we just bought another 190D that hopefully
needs much, much less work.

Brian


On 6/6/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Or you can use the original racer's edge, and add some bootleg hooch.

At 05:50 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
Makes me glad I live in Alabama.

I can even mix leaded 110 Octane racing fuel with 93 Octane Premium for
my
converter free, 77 Corvette with no concerns in this state.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924


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]
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Or a BB in the line if it is a 617!

On 6/5/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Alex Chamberlain wrote:
  
   This same visual inspection procedure also prevents me from removing
   the EGR from my 300D.  I'll be moving to another county where the
   rules are different any day now, though.
 
  Seems like a solid copper EGR gasket would pass visual.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Mid month goodies

2007-06-06 Thread Mike Canfield
MAN!  I wish those auctions were on this side of the country..They 
always have such cool stuff.


Always wanted a mini helicopterI'd get myself in a world of 
shit with one of those...;)


Mike
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Just might be a few things for the auto collector at this auction.
Doubt Kaleb will be headed here, but he could bid live online and see
if he can snag some goodies.  I would gladly deliver.

http://www.murphyauctions.net/kenmore07jun.html


2003 CHEV 3500 12' flatbed, V8, auto, p/s, p/b, /ac

1995 ISUZU NPR tow truck, 4 cyl diesel, auto, VULCAN 881 hoist

1967 FREIGHTLINER HOLMES 600 twin line C/O wrecker, DETROIT diesel,
4/2, ps, a/b

1996 HARLEY DAVIDSON ROAD KING motorcycle, fuel injected v-twin, 5 spd
1991 HARLEY DAVIDSON Electraglide motorcycle
1979 HONDA GOLDWING motorcycle, 4 cyl, 5 spd

Something for LT Don?

REVOLUTION Mini 500 helicopter, ROTAX engine, 0045 hrs, s/n: 0478, w/
TRITON XT-10-101 trailer






--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] OT: I think this qualifies

2007-06-06 Thread Mike Canfield
Even if it doesn't it's a whole heck of a lot smarter than buying a new 
mower...


That's the way things are supposed to be done.Don't just keep fixing the 
switch or jerry rig it with others.Figure out what is burning up the 
switch and solve the whole deal...


Why can't more Americans see this?

Mike
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My grandmother has an old Crapsman RER lawnmower. For the last few years 
the keyswitch wouldn't start the mower, it'd shut it off but not start it. 
One of my uncles wired up a series of different switches for starting but 
since the switch has to carry full voltage for starting they don't last 
long.
So this year when yet another switch failed I had a look at the solenoid. 
Took it out and shook it and could hear the contacts moving around.
It turns out the trigger was just dirty. I cleaned it up and put it all 
back in and it works just fine thus saving the family the price of a new 
lawnmower.


I *think* this qualifies as a Jim Cathy repair

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Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Curt Raymond

Interesting you should ask.
I recently picked up a Lincoln Handy Mig. It runs off 110v, comes with shielded 
wire and the conversion equipment to go to gas. I got it on sale from Sears for 
less than $300 shipped.
My Dad had loaned me a cheapie toolshow Arc welder a few months ago and the Mig 
is WAY easier to use.
TIG should also be easy to use but is much more expensive.
In retrospect I should have coughed up another $100 for a Hobart Handler. My 
HandyMig has 2 heat settings which so far has made it hard to weld thin stock. 
I'm really really good at burning holes in stuff though...

-Curt

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Think this was hashed through recently, but since I was not really in
the market I glossed over the thread.

I have an old Wheel Horse lawn tractor.  The mower deck hangs from the
a lift mechanism under the tractor by a bracket that is bolted to the
deck.

The deck sheet metal must be slightly too thin, because over the years
metal fatigue has caused the bolts to pull through the deck, taking a
small section of the deck with them.

The deck is otherwise sound, and the tractor is otherwise built like a
tank and very reliable, so I'm thinking of trying to grind the
fatigued area back to solid metal and weld in a patch.

I've never done any welding, but I can foresee that having a welder
could be very handy.  Plus for the cost of a new deck for the mower I
could probably come very close to buying a welder.  So I am wondering
what might be a good welder to start off with.  My garage is already
equipped with a 240 outlet.

I've heard that TIG welders have more flexibility but are harder to
learn.  Would a wire-feed MIG unit be a good choice?  How hard is it
to learn from books/video?

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What problems should I look for in a 95 E320??  Car is

said to be well maintained with aprox 120K.=20

=20

I was looking at the same car, Eric, so I will report what I have
learned.   In 95, they had VERY EXPENSIVE a/c problems you have to
replace the evaporator, they also have wiring harness going bad - also
pretty expensive if you can't do it yourself. =20

=20

In 95 you won't have the corrosion problems of the later models. The 95
has all the bells and whistles and I think it is the best looking 124. =20

=20

You know what you won't have any of these problems with?  A nice 1990
300SEL.  :-)  =20

=20

=20

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1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale)=20



Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Zach

--- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 That means it sucks?

I dont know if it sucks, I havent used it yet.  But it is definately
very basic.  There is a current control on the front panel so I bet you
could rig a foot pedal if you did some wiring mods...

 
 I want TIG for the odd exotic/small items.  I just can't justify
 that kind of scratch for it.

Once you use it you wont regret the $$.  I have seen used units for
quite a bit less.  Welding Aluminum is pretty cool!





[MBZ] Suspension Pump

2007-06-06 Thread Trampas
The suspension pump on my 1991 560SEL is leaking, Rusty was able to get one
of the O-rings, but not the one that is leaking. Does anyone have the part
number for the second O-ring in the suspension pump? I checked and it is not
listed in Mercedes parts software. 

 

Thanks

Trampas



[MBZ] Wagon Suspension

2007-06-06 Thread Donald Snook
I don't know much about the 124 wagon suspension. But, I have heard
about some costly maintenance items on the 123 wagons.  Does the 95
Wagon have the same set-up. What should I look for to determine if the
rear suspension is in good shape? 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale)
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=221355344

 



Re: [MBZ] 95 E320

2007-06-06 Thread Gary Thompson

Eric,

While I still love mine, there are a few issues you should be aware of
before buying. Not all of these are catastrophic, but may be used to
negotiate price :^)

1) Most of the later W124 chassis cars (I know starting with the M104
engine intorduced in 1993) came with a newly introduced biodegradeable
wiring harness. Unfortunately, the high heat environement of the
engine compartment caused the insulation to degrade prematurely. Many
of these have probably been replaced by the 120K mile point, but it's
always good to ask. If the current owner doesn't know if it's been
replaced, assume it hasn't. It's not a particularly difficult DIY job,
but is very time consuming if you're doing it for the first time.

2) Head gaskets have been known to begin to seep oil out at about the
middle on the passenger side. Take a look here for old, crusty,
seeping oil. If the gasket needs to be replace, might as well do a
valve job while it's off. The M104 bottom end is quite robust, so with
a fresh valve job, you're easily good for another 150K miles.

3) In warm southern climates, where the A/C goes through a lot of
thermal cycles, the evaporators have been known to spring leaks around
the seams. This doesn't sound too bad until you realize Mercedes hung
the evaporator by a string and then built a car around it. I've seen
quotes between 14 and 18 shop hours to replace, though I good tech
who's done a few can get it done in one solid day. Not for the faint
of heart to DIY. Ask the current owner about A/C issues, and be wary
of any car that just needs a charge. It can be very difficult to
diagnose the evap leak since you can't get to it directly. Sometimes a
good leak sniffer (or even your nose if you know what PAG oil smells
like) can get a whiff of refrigerant out of the vents when the blower
is first started up. In other cases, you can detect refrigerant or oil
coming out the evap drain under the car.

Don't want to sound too discouraging as the 1995 E320 is really quite a car.


Gary Thompson
Georgetown, TX
1995 E320  139K miles


On 6/5/07, eric peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What problems should I look for in a 95 E320??  Car is
said to be well maintained with aprox 120K.

Thanks in advance
Eric
85 300CD 112K




Re: [MBZ] Wagon Suspension

2007-06-06 Thread andrew strasfogel

What costly maintenance items?  I have a 123 wagon and have been patiently
waiting to replace the rear strut for 280,000 miles and 24 years.  The air
cells have been done but they weren't that bad.

1983 300TD



On 6/6/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I don't know much about the 124 wagon suspension. But, I have heard
about some costly maintenance items on the 123 wagons.  Does the 95
Wagon have the same set-up. What should I look for to determine if the
rear suspension is in good shape?



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale)
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=221355344



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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320

2007-06-06 Thread andrew strasfogel

A friend purchased a 1998 E320.  Will he have the same AC problems?



On 6/6/07, Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Eric,

While I still love mine, there are a few issues you should be aware of
before buying. Not all of these are catastrophic, but may be used to
negotiate price :^)

1) Most of the later W124 chassis cars (I know starting with the M104
engine intorduced in 1993) came with a newly introduced biodegradeable
wiring harness. Unfortunately, the high heat environement of the
engine compartment caused the insulation to degrade prematurely. Many
of these have probably been replaced by the 120K mile point, but it's
always good to ask. If the current owner doesn't know if it's been
replaced, assume it hasn't. It's not a particularly difficult DIY job,
but is very time consuming if you're doing it for the first time.

2) Head gaskets have been known to begin to seep oil out at about the
middle on the passenger side. Take a look here for old, crusty,
seeping oil. If the gasket needs to be replace, might as well do a
valve job while it's off. The M104 bottom end is quite robust, so with
a fresh valve job, you're easily good for another 150K miles.

3) In warm southern climates, where the A/C goes through a lot of
thermal cycles, the evaporators have been known to spring leaks around
the seams. This doesn't sound too bad until you realize Mercedes hung
the evaporator by a string and then built a car around it. I've seen
quotes between 14 and 18 shop hours to replace, though I good tech
who's done a few can get it done in one solid day. Not for the faint
of heart to DIY. Ask the current owner about A/C issues, and be wary
of any car that just needs a charge. It can be very difficult to
diagnose the evap leak since you can't get to it directly. Sometimes a
good leak sniffer (or even your nose if you know what PAG oil smells
like) can get a whiff of refrigerant out of the vents when the blower
is first started up. In other cases, you can detect refrigerant or oil
coming out the evap drain under the car.

Don't want to sound too discouraging as the 1995 E320 is really quite a
car.


Gary Thompson
Georgetown, TX
1995 E320  139K miles


On 6/5/07, eric peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What problems should I look for in a 95 E320??  Car is
 said to be well maintained with aprox 120K.

 Thanks in advance
 Eric
 85 300CD 112K

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Re: [MBZ] Mid month goodies

2007-06-06 Thread Craig McCluskey
O
  Something for LT Don?
 
  REVOLUTION Mini 500 helicopter, ROTAX engine, 0045 hrs, s/n: 0478, w/
  TRITON XT-10-101 trailer

As in, http://www.geocities.com/chopperjoker/mini500.htm


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Craig



Re: [MBZ] Suspension Pump

2007-06-06 Thread Loren Faeth
Is it a vickers pump?  If you are not in a big hurry, I may have one 
leftover form a partially used kit.  I may not get to it until the 
last half of the month.


At 07:52 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:

The suspension pump on my 1991 560SEL is leaking, Rusty was able to get one
of the O-rings, but not the one that is leaking. Does anyone have the part
number for the second O-ring in the suspension pump? I checked and it is not
listed in Mercedes parts software.



Thanks

Trampas

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Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Jim Cathey

I dont know if it sucks, I havent used it yet.  But it is definately
very basic.  There is a current control on the front panel so I bet you
could rig a foot pedal if you did some wiring mods...


So the foot pedal is just the heat potentiometer?  Not something
like a spark-starter or something else weird?  That would be
doable, there are plenty of old sewing machine foot-operated
rheostats around that I'm sure could be modified to carry the
right potentiometer.  :-)


Once you use it you wont regret the $$.  I have seen used units for
quite a bit less.  Welding Aluminum is pretty cool!


I've welded aluminum with the MIG.  Most 'impressive' was the
hole blown in the side of our tiller's aluminum crankcase.
But it doesn't come out pretty.  I also welded up the pinholes
in some of my Mom's favorite old heavy aluminum pots.  Those
were a mess, and took a lot of grinding.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Mid month goodies

2007-06-06 Thread Mike Canfield
Gee, thanks Craig.  Spoiled the heck out of that fantasy.  Maybe a glider 
would be good;)


Mike
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O

 Something for LT Don?

 REVOLUTION Mini 500 helicopter, ROTAX engine, 0045 hrs, s/n: 0478, w/
 TRITON XT-10-101 trailer


As in, http://www.geocities.com/chopperjoker/mini500.htm


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Craig

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Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste

2007-06-06 Thread Peter Frederick
Several cogent points here:

Cheapo pads that don't wear the rotors wear out super fast and don't usually 
stop the car nearly as well as the OEM pads.  Learned that lesson 25 years ago 
-- stick with the OEM ones, rotor wear is normal, and they are cheap.  Much 
cheaper than rear-ending someone because your cheapo pads overheated and quit 
working right.

Second, if the ceramic pads (or any other for that matter) do not have the 
heavy anti squeal coating on the back of the backing plate, you MUST use an 
anti-squeal shim or they will scream.  Also make positively certain that the 
slots in the calipers are completely clean, otherwise the pad will stick, 
causing both drag and squeal.  

Another cause of squeal is tired caliper piston seal not retracting the piston 
enough, allowing minor drag and hence uneven wear. 

Last, when installing new rotors, use some heavy sandpaper to rough them up 
(not the newest ones where you dont' remove the coating, though) -- most of 
them are turned these days, not ground, and if you don't rough up the surface, 
the spiral groove left by the manufacturing process will cause them to groan 
for quite a while, even after they wear it some.  Not pleasant.

Peter

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Buy softer, and cheaper pads.  The cheapest ones at NAPA work 
fine.  Pads are a place where more expensive is NOT 
better.  Expensive ones are hard, and designed to wear the rotors, 
not the pads.  That is why they usually come with a lifetime 
warranty.  Your rotors will fall off first.

I have never used ANY anti squeal anything.  My pads never squeal, 
and my rotors last a long long time.  AFAIK over 400k miles on the 
SDL. and they are still ok.

Loren

At 12:59 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote:
Is this anything like the sunroof lube in that it is quasi-magical and
has no equivalent in the 3rd party market?

I recently updated the brakes on my 300D (new calipers and pads all
around, new rotors in front) but did not use the MB anti-squeal paste.
Lo and behold, my brakes are now squealing quite annoyingly.

Can I get something locally that will address the issue, or do I need
to use the genuine MB paste?

Allan
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1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320

2007-06-06 Thread Gary Thompson

I haven't heard of evaporator problems on the W210 and later models,
but have no idea if they use the same aluminum/copper evaporator
disaster as the late W124.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


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A friend purchased a 1998 E320.  Will he have the same AC problems?




Re: [MBZ] Wagon Suspension

2007-06-06 Thread Loren Faeth

Harsh ride means $200 for spheres.
leaky pump means $125 or so (last quote I heard about from PGA) for a 
used pump, if you can find one.
If it has been piled full of newspapers and driven over rough roads, 
and the rear is saggin and the oil reservoir is empty, it means at 
least $1k for new rear struts, lines and pump, plus labor.

or it needs a $3 hose.

all are parts only price ranges.

Loren
230TE sold  new spheres
300TD, 85 sold
300TD 87
300TE 88, with new struts and lines and oil, resealed pump (advanced DIY)

At 08:39 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:

I don't know much about the 124 wagon suspension. But, I have heard
about some costly maintenance items on the 123 wagons.  Does the 95
Wagon have the same set-up. What should I look for to determine if the
rear suspension is in good shape?



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale)
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=221355344



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Re: [MBZ] Wagon Suspension

2007-06-06 Thread Peter Frederick
To check, it must sit level, have oil in the hydraulic tank (left fender, next 
to the ABS system), and the rear suspension must move easily.

If it is rock hard, the gas spheres are shot, you need new ones (about $90 
each, plus installation and a quart of fluid).  Check very closely for bad 
struts, though, if the suspension is hard, because failed gas chambers 
seriously overloads the seals on the struts, and they can blow out.  Not 
replaceable, so you are out new struts.

Crosswind sensitivity and torque steer accompanied by thumps under the back 
seat are bad links, just like the sedans (and I would plan on having to replace 
them sooner or later, they go bad).

Peter





Re: [MBZ] OT: I think this qualifies

2007-06-06 Thread Curt Raymond

Dang...
I've got Shoe Goo around, I just forget to use it.
I did use some Liquid Electrical tape to patch a hole in the seat of my 
Montgomery Ward lawntractor.
Worked great until I was using some body english to climb a hill and I snapped 
the seat mounts out of the seat...
I didn't fall off the back of the mower, but dang near...
Of course I was towing my Cub Cadet 72 at the time.

-Curt

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 I *think* this qualifies as a Jim Cathy repair

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Hi Curt,
I have the same welder but bought it at Home Depot.  As far as heat 
settings, the 2 are frustrastingly too few but the wire feed is critical 
also - you must adjust it also - more than I thought needed  - it made a 
bigger difference than I expected.

Anyway, I enjoy learning with it.

The biggest advance is welding technology IMHO, is the self-darkening 
welding hood.  it makes life *much* easier.

later --

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again



 Interesting you should ask.
 I recently picked up a Lincoln Handy Mig. It runs off 110v, comes with 
 shielded wire and the conversion equipment to go to gas. I got it on sale 
 from Sears for less than $300 shipped.
 My Dad had loaned me a cheapie toolshow Arc welder a few months ago and 
 the Mig is WAY easier to use.
 TIG should also be easy to use but is much more expensive.
 In retrospect I should have coughed up another $100 for a Hobart Handler. 
 My HandyMig has 2 heat settings which so far has made it hard to weld thin 
 stock. I'm really really good at burning holes in stuff though...

 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:22:56 -0400
 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [MBZ] OT: welders, again
 To: mercedes@oKiEBeNz.com
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 Think this was hashed through recently, but since I was not really in
 the market I glossed over the thread.

 I have an old Wheel Horse lawn tractor.  The mower deck hangs from the
 a lift mechanism under the tractor by a bracket that is bolted to the
 deck.

 The deck sheet metal must 

Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread Marshall Booth

Zoltan Finks wrote:

Okay, guys, here is something y'all might be interested in - I know I am!
But I can't have it!

Look on craigslist under Charlottesville? Virginia. It's a 190D supposed
Euro with manual windows and manual sunroof, and a 2.2 5 speed. *BUT* it is
in very rough shape - you would essentially be buying it to restore. The
lady ran it on veggie oil and now says it has timing problems. And the
trunk, she recently discovered, is filled to the brim in the spare tire well
with spilled peanut oil. She claims F and R suspension problems. She claims
front bumper pushed in to the point that it impedes the fan

Before any of you go reading her the riot act via email, take it easy - she
is really a nice lady, and nice and forthcoming with all the problems with
the car. She doesn't claim to know much about these cars, she's just sort of
a flower child, I think.

I wish I could buy this car, but we just bought another 190D that hopefully
needs much, much less work.



The 601.911/912 engine that was standard in all the rest of the world 
was a 2 liter engine. For US delivery (and nowhere else as far as I can 
tell) they supplied the car with a 2.2 liter 601.921 engine with the 
same hp (72) but about 5-6% greater torque. If it's a real gray market 
with crank windows (they were never available in the US, THEN THE ENGINE 
HAS BEEN REPLACE IF IT HAS A 2.2 IN IT.


I have owned a gray market '85 190D 5 spd for 12+ years. It's a NICE car 
(about 6 seconds faster 0-60 than a 240D) and can deliver spectacular 
fuel economy both on the highway (44 mpg) and in the city (38).


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] OT: I think this qualifies

2007-06-06 Thread Allan Streib
Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Even if it doesn't it's a whole heck of a lot smarter than buying a
 new mower...

Exactly why I want to learn to weld so I can repair the broken mower
deck of my old Wheel Horse tractor.  The thing is 25 years old but it
starts up instantly, otherwise works perfectly.  Why should I spend
 for a new mower when only one piece is broken, and is readily
repairable.

-- 
1983 300D
1966 230



Re: [MBZ] 95 E320

2007-06-06 Thread Marshall Booth

Gary Thompson wrote:

I haven't heard of evaporator problems on the W210 and later models,
but have no idea if they use the same aluminum/copper evaporator
disaster as the late W124.



The defective evaporators are in ALL 124s - not just late ones, and 
possibly present to a lesser degree in late (1986 on) 126s. The problem 
doesn't appear to be present in 210 chassis cars.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320

2007-06-06 Thread LarryT

Donald wroteA nice 1990
300SEL.  :-)   

Hi DOnald,
   I thought that car was sold a couple of times?  Did *another* deal fall 
through?

How much are you looking far anyway?

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From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 95 E320



What problems should I look for in a 95 E320??  Car is

said to be well maintained with aprox 120K.



I was looking at the same car, Eric, so I will report what I have
learned.   In 95, they had VERY EXPENSIVE a/c problems you have to
replace the evaporator, they also have wiring harness going bad - also
pretty expensive if you can't do it yourself.



In 95 you won't have the corrosion problems of the later models. The 95
has all the bells and whistles and I think it is the best looking 124.



You know what you won't have any of these problems with?  A nice 1990
300SEL.  :-)





Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale)

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[MBZ] W124 Front Shocks

2007-06-06 Thread LarryT

Howdy,
   How many miles do ya'll typically get from the original shocks?  Mine 
look original and it passes the bounce test but lately, when we hit a bump 
in the road, I get an extra kick thru the steering wheel.  My assumption is 
front shocks.  Could they be going ir should I just watch out for potholes?


   They're probably Bilsteins which seem to last forever.  BTW, I don;t see 
any leaks on the shock bodies.


TIA -

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Re: [MBZ] Suspension Pump

2007-06-06 Thread Trampas
I am not sure what a Vickers pump is, can you tell me where you got the
repair kit? 

Thanks
Trampas

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On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:48 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Suspension Pump

Is it a vickers pump?  If you are not in a big hurry, I may have one 
leftover form a partially used kit.  I may not get to it until the 
last half of the month.

At 07:52 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
The suspension pump on my 1991 560SEL is leaking, Rusty was able to get one
of the O-rings, but not the one that is leaking. Does anyone have the part
number for the second O-ring in the suspension pump? I checked and it is
not
listed in Mercedes parts software.



Thanks

Trampas

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Re: [MBZ] W124 Front Shocks

2007-06-06 Thread Marshall Booth

LarryT wrote:

Howdy,
How many miles do ya'll typically get from the original shocks?  Mine 
look original and it passes the bounce test but lately, when we hit a bump 
in the road, I get an extra kick thru the steering wheel.  My assumption is 
front shocks.  Could they be going ir should I just watch out for potholes?


They're probably Bilsteins which seem to last forever.  BTW, I don;t see 
any leaks on the shock bodies.


Front shocks usually last between 100-200kmi. If they don't pass the 
bounce test they are not just out of spec - they are DEAD. If they have 
more than 100kmi on them and the car is riding a little worse, then 
replace them (after having someone that REALLY knows Mercedes steering 
look at the front end).


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Front Shocks

2007-06-06 Thread Gary Hurst

i generally will replace shocks at about 80k miles on bilstein.  i don't
much like worn shocks.

On 6/6/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


LarryT wrote:
 Howdy,
 How many miles do ya'll typically get from the original
shocks?  Mine
 look original and it passes the bounce test but lately, when we hit a
bump
 in the road, I get an extra kick thru the steering wheel.  My assumption
is
 front shocks.  Could they be going ir should I just watch out for
potholes?

 They're probably Bilsteins which seem to last forever.  BTW, I don;t
see
 any leaks on the shock bodies.

Front shocks usually last between 100-200kmi. If they don't pass the
bounce test they are not just out of spec - they are DEAD. If they have
more than 100kmi on them and the car is riding a little worse, then
replace them (after having someone that REALLY knows Mercedes steering
look at the front end).

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Suspension Pump

2007-06-06 Thread Loren Faeth
There were two pump manufacturers used.  Vickers are in both of my 
wagons.  There is a tag on the side of the pump.  You will need the 
maker and model number of the pump to order a kit from Rusty.


Tandem pump kits were about $75 18 months ago or so.
A good used pump was $125 at Potomac about the same time, but they 
had none when i was working on the TE

Changing the shaft seal is difficult. and is supposed to take special tools.

Loren


At 10:05 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:

I am not sure what a Vickers pump is, can you tell me where you got the
repair kit?

Thanks
Trampas

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On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:48 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Suspension Pump

Is it a vickers pump?  If you are not in a big hurry, I may have one
leftover form a partially used kit.  I may not get to it until the
last half of the month.

At 07:52 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
The suspension pump on my 1991 560SEL is leaking, Rusty was able to get one
of the O-rings, but not the one that is leaking. Does anyone have the part
number for the second O-ring in the suspension pump? I checked and it is
not
listed in Mercedes parts software.



Thanks

Trampas

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[MBZ] Vintage MB Parts

2007-06-06 Thread LarryT

Hi Guys,
One of the guys on the 911 list is building a engine using mechanical fuel 
injection and offered the following: And if you

get the injectors from a Mercedes Benz 230 or 260 (circa 65-70) and cut
them down from 19mm to 17mm to fit the holes you can get 5-10 more hp

He is willing to do the modifications if he can find the original parts.  I 
checked Rustys site but back the far his catalogue is pretty thin.


Does anyone have PNs?  I have the Microfische bit my reader was solder years 
ago.


Thanks for any help you may offer. Very much appreciated!

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Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread dave walton

Let me point out a safety tip - any skin exposed to light from the arc will
sunburn. Same goes for Plasma Cutters (another fun toy). Wear gloves on both
hands, long sleeved shirt, and long pants. Welding leathers are nice and
look cool. Also keep pets and kids away. They both tend to stare at the arc
- not good.

You ever see the hot rod or OCC shows where some yahoo will arc weld without
any eye or skin protection? You have to be brain dead to try a stunt like
that.

-Dave Walton

On 6/6/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Curt,
I have the same welder but bought it at Home Depot.  As far as heat
settings, the 2 are frustrastingly too few but the wire feed is critical
also - you must adjust it also - more than I thought needed  - it made a
bigger difference than I expected.

Anyway, I enjoy learning with it.

The biggest advance is welding technology IMHO, is the self-darkening
welding hood.  it makes life *much* easier.

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- Original Message -
From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again



 Interesting you should ask.
 I recently picked up a Lincoln Handy Mig. It runs off 110v, comes with
 shielded wire and the conversion equipment to go to gas. I got it on
sale
 from Sears for less than $300 shipped.
 My Dad had loaned me a cheapie toolshow Arc welder a few months ago and
 the Mig is WAY easier to use.
 TIG should also be easy to use but is much more expensive.
 In retrospect I should have coughed up another $100 for a Hobart
Handler.
 My HandyMig has 2 heat settings which so far has made it hard to weld
thin
 stock. I'm really really good at burning holes in stuff though...

 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:22:56 -0400
 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [MBZ] OT: welders, again
 To: mercedes@oKiEBeNz.com
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 Think this was hashed through recently, but since I was not really in
 the market I glossed over the thread.

 I have an old Wheel Horse lawn tractor.  The mower deck hangs from the
 a lift mechanism under the tractor by a bracket that is bolted to the
 deck.

 The deck sheet metal must be slightly too thin, because over the years
 metal fatigue has caused the bolts to pull through the deck, taking a
 small section of the deck with them.

 The deck is otherwise sound, and the tractor is otherwise built like a
 tank and very reliable, so I'm thinking of trying to grind the
 fatigued area back to solid metal and weld in a patch.

 I've never done any welding, but I can foresee that having a welder
 could be very handy.  Plus for the cost of a new deck for the mower I
 could probably come very close to buying a welder.  So I am wondering
 what might be a good welder to start off with.  My garage is already
 equipped with a 240 outlet.

 I've heard that TIG welders have more flexibility but are harder to
 learn.  Would a wire-feed MIG unit be a good choice?  How hard is it
 to learn from books/video?

 Allan
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 1966 230


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Re: [MBZ] Vintage MB Parts

2007-06-06 Thread Rusty Cullens

If you mean a 230SL the part number is 000 078 11 23.



Rusty Cullens
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From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:13 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Vintage MB Parts



Hi Guys,
One of the guys on the 911 list is building a engine using mechanical fuel
injection and offered the following: And if you
get the injectors from a Mercedes Benz 230 or 260 (circa 65-70) and cut
them down from 19mm to 17mm to fit the holes you can get 5-10 more hp

He is willing to do the modifications if he can find the original parts. 
I

checked Rustys site but back the far his catalogue is pretty thin.

Does anyone have PNs?  I have the Microfische bit my reader was solder 
years

ago.

Thanks for any help you may offer. Very much appreciated!

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: I think this qualifies

2007-06-06 Thread R A Bennell
Wouldn't it be quicker to just take it to a welder and get it fixed now? If you 
ask around you can likely find a
welder that is reasonable in his charges.

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: I think this qualifies


Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Even if it doesn't it's a whole heck of a lot smarter than buying a
 new mower...

Exactly why I want to learn to weld so I can repair the broken mower
deck of my old Wheel Horse tractor.  The thing is 25 years old but it
starts up instantly, otherwise works perfectly.  Why should I spend
 for a new mower when only one piece is broken, and is readily
repairable.

--
1983 300D
1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] OT: I think this qualifies

2007-06-06 Thread Allan Streib
R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Wouldn't it be quicker to just take it to a welder and get it fixed
 now? If you ask around you can likely find a welder that is
 reasonable in his charges.

Yeah, but I kinda am using it as an excuse to justify buying a
welder.  ;-)

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230



Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On 6/6/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Before any of you go reading her the riot act via email, take it easy - she
is really a nice lady, and nice and forthcoming with all the problems with
the car. She doesn't claim to know much about these cars, she's just sort of
a flower child, I think.


I predict we'll be hearing a lot more of this kind of story with all
the well-meaning but mechanically naive folks buying old M-Bs to run
biodiesel and WVO, then finding that they don't have the mindset
and/or aptitude to keep an old car running.



I wish I could buy this car, but we just bought another 190D that hopefully
needs much, much less work.



Congrats on finding the right car!  Tell us more.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC



[MBZ] Disabling EGR (was: Grey market issues)

2007-06-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On 6/5/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Why bother?  A bb in the vacuum line is WAY cheaper and faster.



But doesn't work if the valve is stuck open.  BTDT.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC



Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste

2007-06-06 Thread Luther
Rusty says Pagid is the OE brake and includes the anti-squeel pad on them. 
They work well, I just installed some 3 weeks ago and they do not 
squeel.  They
are middle of the line 's. 


--
Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
'87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) needs head
'83 300SD (246,645 mi) SOLD!
'82 300CD (166 kmi) getting front end rebuild
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting '85 donor engine-SOLD!
'85 300D (280,176) parts car-sans engine


Quoting Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Buy softer, and cheaper pads.  The cheapest ones at NAPA work
fine.  Pads are a place where more expensive is NOT
better.  Expensive ones are hard, and designed to wear the rotors,
not the pads.  That is why they usually come with a lifetime
warranty.  Your rotors will fall off first. 


I have never used ANY anti squeal anything.  My pads never squeal,
and my rotors last a long long time.  AFAIK over 400k miles on the
SDL. and they are still ok. 


Loren







Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste

2007-06-06 Thread Allan Streib
Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Rusty says Pagid is the OE brake and includes the anti-squeel pad on them. 
 They work well, I just installed some 3 weeks ago and they do not 
 squeel.  They are middle of the line 's. 

There was no paste with the pads that Rusty sent with my rebuilt
calipers, unless I overlooked it.

Mine did not start squeeking until about 3 months after I installed
them.  At first they were silent.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230



Re: [MBZ] Disabling EGR (was: Grey market issues)

2007-06-06 Thread Christopher McCann
missed the earlier part of this thread...the EGR removal kit I used was about 
$25 and is very slick. Nice to have that THING out of the way.

Chris



Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/5/07, Loren Faeth  wrote:
 Why bother?  A bb in the vacuum line is WAY cheaper and faster.


But doesn't work if the valve is stuck open.  BTDT.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
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It's a pad, not paste. 

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Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
'87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) needs head
'83 300SD (246,645 mi) SOLD!
'82 300CD (166 kmi) getting front end rebuild
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting '85 donor engine-SOLD!
'85 300D (280,176) parts car-sans engine


Quoting Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Rusty says Pagid is the OE brake and includes the anti-squeel pad on them. 
 They work well, I just installed some 3 weeks ago and they do not
 squeel.  They are middle of the line 's. 

 There was no paste with the pads that Rusty sent with my rebuilt
 calipers, unless I overlooked it. 

 Mine did not start squeeking until about 3 months after I installed
 them.  At first they were silent. 

 Allan
 --
 1983 300D
 1966 230





Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread Allan Streib
Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I predict we'll be hearing a lot more of this kind of story with all
 the well-meaning but mechanically naive folks buying old M-Bs to run
 biodiesel and WVO, then finding that they don't have the mindset
 and/or aptitude to keep an old car running.

Not only keep an old car running, but keep it running on fuel that it
was not designed to use.

I don't really get the bio-fuel mania.  There is of course some
initial politically correct green appeal to the idea, but my guess
is that veg. oil has less energy per volume unit than diesel #2, so
you will get worse mileage, use more fuel, pollute more, etc. as well
as chance screwing up your injection system.

For most people, I'd bet that the amount of $$ they actually save
using bio-fuel is likely to be insignificant.

-- 
1983 300D
1966 230



Re: [MBZ] Disabling EGR (was: Grey market issues)

2007-06-06 Thread Loren Faeth

yes.  It needs to be done before the valve is stuck open.

At 11:00 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:

On 6/5/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Why bother?  A bb in the vacuum line is WAY cheaper and faster.


But doesn't work if the valve is stuck open.  BTDT.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC

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[MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D

2007-06-06 Thread Zoltan Finks

Thanks for asking, Alex.

We actually wound up winning that ebay auction last night - the CA 87 190D
(with so many miles on it, I say cringing).

The seller was incommunicado on my questions via ask the seller a
question. I chalked this up to sellers being sick to death of quesions. Oh,
and his not taking us seriously because we are brand new to ebay.

In the photos, it looks to us like the clearcoat is peeling some - he claims
ignorance. And we see one dent behind the driver front wheel - he claims
ignorance. I will post pics later to get opinions.

I talked to him on phone today. I will be flying out to CA to pick it up,
then I will be driving it on up to our new home in WA. He says he can meet
me at airport, reluctantly, if he is not preforming surgery.

Question for list: He has in writing as part of his auction listing that we
have 7 days to pick up car and pay him balance. But on phone he says this
deadline is so big deal - he just has it since some people take a long time
to pick up car. I would love to have a few extra days to get there - and not
have to rush to get there by Tuesday, but could this guy technically cancel
the sale because we are not paying balance and picking up car by 7 days from
end of auction?

Brian
83 240D
87 190D (hopeful)


Re: [MBZ] Disabling EGR (was: Grey market issues)

2007-06-06 Thread Levi Smith

What are the symptoms of one that is stuck open?

Levi

On 6/6/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


yes.  It needs to be done before the valve is stuck open.

At 11:00 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
On 6/5/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Why bother?  A bb in the vacuum line is WAY cheaper and faster.
 

But doesn't work if the valve is stuck open.  BTDT.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC

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Re: [MBZ] 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting

2007-06-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On 6/4/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At some point during the
trip I sprung a major vacuum leak---the center air vent snapped shut
and now doesn't open regardless of ACC setting, and all shifts went
back to the previous state of CLUNKiness regardless of throttle
position.  A quick look under the hood didn't show any obvious
disconnections or other open points in the circuit, so I imagine I
stressed one or more of the lines and cracked it/them while
manhandling things to get the old parts out and new ones in.


Update:  I found a couple of leaks where I expected them to be
(between the vacuum pump and vacuum control valve) and corrected them.
ACC works now.  The new VCV and old modulator (blue flying saucer)
are performing to spec---sending 17 in. of vacuum to the trans at
idle.  But shifts are still clunky!

I haven't got under the car yet.  What's at the other end of the black
vacuum line from the flying saucer to the transmission?  Rusty's site
shows an AT Modulator Valve that looks like it has a vacuum
connection on one side.  Is this what I'm looking for?  How do I test
it?  I couldn't find anything about it in the W124 FSM, but there's
not much there on transmissions.  If it does need to be changed, is it
going to be messy?  Should I drain the tranny first?  Help!  My brief
taste of correct Mercedes transmission operation was like a drug---I
want more.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC



Re: [MBZ] Disabling EGR (was: Grey market issues)

2007-06-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain

In my case, a big patch of soot on the hood pad just above it!


Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC

On 6/6/07, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What are the symptoms of one that is stuck open?

Levi

On 6/6/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 yes.  It needs to be done before the valve is stuck open.

 At 11:00 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
 On 6/5/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Why bother?  A bb in the vacuum line is WAY cheaper and faster.
  
 
 But doesn't work if the valve is stuck open.  BTDT.
 
 Alex Chamberlain
 '87 300D Turbo
 '93 Isuzu Trooper
 '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
 
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Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D

2007-06-06 Thread Zeitgeist

I worked out a similar arrangement when I purchased my van on ebay.  It
turned out that I couldn't book a flight down to LA until about three weeks
after the close of the auction, but the seller was ok holding onto the van
and waiting for the balance.   I'd just try to work with him.  I ended up
very happy with my purchase.  Make sure you document the actual price you
paid in writing (bill of sale), especially if it's less than blue book.
That way the DOR won't ding you when it comes time to license.

On 6/6/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks for asking, Alex.

We actually wound up winning that ebay auction last night - the CA 87 190D
(with so many miles on it, I say cringing).

The seller was incommunicado on my questions via ask the seller a
question. I chalked this up to sellers being sick to death of quesions.
Oh,
and his not taking us seriously because we are brand new to ebay.

In the photos, it looks to us like the clearcoat is peeling some - he
claims
ignorance. And we see one dent behind the driver front wheel - he claims
ignorance. I will post pics later to get opinions.

I talked to him on phone today. I will be flying out to CA to pick it up,
then I will be driving it on up to our new home in WA. He says he can meet
me at airport, reluctantly, if he is not preforming surgery.

Question for list: He has in writing as part of his auction listing that
we
have 7 days to pick up car and pay him balance. But on phone he says this
deadline is so big deal - he just has it since some people take a long
time
to pick up car. I would love to have a few extra days to get there - and
not
have to rush to get there by Tuesday, but could this guy technically
cancel
the sale because we are not paying balance and picking up car by 7 days
from
end of auction?

Brian
83 240D
87 190D (hopeful)
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Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread Rick Knoble

Makes me glad I live in Alabama.


Indiana -- no emissions check, no safety check.  You pay your
registration fees and you can drive it.


Except in Clark, Lake and Porter Counties. I live in Porter County. Diesels 
are exempt.


Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT 





Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D

2007-06-06 Thread Zoltan Finks

Ah, good idea - Bil of Sale.

Instead of my attempting to post pics, I'll post the link to the auction.
Let me know if you guys see clearcoat issues, and if you see the dent?
behind the driver front wheel. Yes, I know it's a moot point now, but I am
just very curious.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140123695393sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1

Brian


On 6/6/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I worked out a similar arrangement when I purchased my van on ebay.  It
turned out that I couldn't book a flight down to LA until about three
weeks
after the close of the auction, but the seller was ok holding onto the van
and waiting for the balance.   I'd just try to work with him.  I ended up
very happy with my purchase.  Make sure you document the actual price you
paid in writing (bill of sale), especially if it's less than blue book.
That way the DOR won't ding you when it comes time to license.

On 6/6/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for asking, Alex.

 We actually wound up winning that ebay auction last night - the CA 87
190D
 (with so many miles on it, I say cringing).

 The seller was incommunicado on my questions via ask the seller a
 question. I chalked this up to sellers being sick to death of quesions.
 Oh,
 and his not taking us seriously because we are brand new to ebay.

 In the photos, it looks to us like the clearcoat is peeling some - he
 claims
 ignorance. And we see one dent behind the driver front wheel - he claims
 ignorance. I will post pics later to get opinions.

 I talked to him on phone today. I will be flying out to CA to pick it
up,
 then I will be driving it on up to our new home in WA. He says he can
meet
 me at airport, reluctantly, if he is not preforming surgery.

 Question for list: He has in writing as part of his auction listing that
 we
 have 7 days to pick up car and pay him balance. But on phone he says
this
 deadline is so big deal - he just has it since some people take a long
 time
 to pick up car. I would love to have a few extra days to get there - and
 not
 have to rush to get there by Tuesday, but could this guy technically
 cancel
 the sale because we are not paying balance and picking up car by 7 days
 from
 end of auction?

 Brian
 83 240D
 87 190D (hopeful)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: welders, again

2007-06-06 Thread Zach

--- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 So the foot pedal is just the heat potentiometer?  Not something
 like a spark-starter or something else weird?  That would be
 doable, there are plenty of old sewing machine foot-operated
 rheostats around that I'm sure could be modified to carry the
 right potentiometer.  :-)

It is a current-limiting device.  On a normal TIG you set the max
current on the panel, then the foot pedal varies the current between
zero and that max setting.  There is also a microswitch that turns the
arc and gas on/off.  Shouldnt be hard to fab something  I will be
at my friends house tonight, if I get a chance I will try out the
welder and report results as compared to my fancy unit.  I can also try
diddling the dial on the front panel while welding to see if it
functions the same as a foot pedal.

 I've welded aluminum with the MIG.  Most 'impressive' was the
 hole blown in the side of our tiller's aluminum crankcase.
 But it doesn't come out pretty.  I also welded up the pinholes
 in some of my Mom's favorite old heavy aluminum pots.  Those
 were a mess, and took a lot of grinding.

You need a TIG!  ;)





Re: [MBZ] Grey market issues

2007-06-06 Thread Zoltan Finks

Yes, I love being exempt from emission testing. I am all for a clean
environment, but the long lines and rude employes who like to lean on your
car kinda suck.

Brian


On 6/6/07, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Makes me glad I live in Alabama.

 Indiana -- no emissions check, no safety check.  You pay your
 registration fees and you can drive it.

Except in Clark, Lake and Porter Counties. I live in Porter County.
Diesels
are exempt.

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT


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[MBZ] The joys of emissions testing (was Grey market issues)

2007-06-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On 6/6/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes, I love being exempt from emission testing. I am all for a clean
environment, but the long lines and rude employes who like to lean on your
car kinda suck.



Tell me about it.  If I had a dollar for every brain cell I've lost
breathing the exhaust of the cars in front of me in line at the DEQ...
Things have gotten a little better since the majority of cars on the
road now are OBD2 compliant.  The DEQ drones just plug in a handheld
tester and read off the fault codes---if there are any stored
engine-related codes (or if your check engine light is on) you fail.
Quick and easy for them (but a pain for you if the idiot light is on
for no good reason, or for an expensive one that you don't want to
deal with).

Ironically, though, the longest I've ever waited in line there was
behind a late-model Aston Martin.  Apparently it should have had an
OBD2 port, but nobody could find it.  Not sure how the story
ended---after an hour of head-scratching they shunted the Aston off
somewhere to let the cars behind it through.

Alex Chamberlain



Re: [MBZ] Disabling EGR (was: Grey market issues)

2007-06-06 Thread Zoltan Finks

I must admit I, too, have not been following this thread - but - does either
of my cars (83 240D, and 87 190D) have this EGR valve, and are you guys
advocating simply removing it?

Brian


On 6/6/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


In my case, a big patch of soot on the hood pad just above it!


Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC

On 6/6/07, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What are the symptoms of one that is stuck open?

 Levi

 On 6/6/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  yes.  It needs to be done before the valve is stuck open.
 
  At 11:00 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
  On 6/5/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why bother?  A bb in the vacuum line is WAY cheaper and faster.
   
  
  But doesn't work if the valve is stuck open.  BTDT.
  
  Alex Chamberlain
  '87 300D Turbo
  '93 Isuzu Trooper
  '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
  
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