Re: [MBZ] OT: Speedo accuracy/borrow a GPS
In a message dated 8/16/2007 9:48:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 60 buys a basic GPS new Even the cheapest hand held GPS, and or cell phone equipped GPS will report very accurate speed readings..Updates are often twice/second, or every 44 feet at 60MPH! My Garmin was $89 about 3 years ago! On a recent trip across Nevada, My Eldorado was set on cruise at about 80 MPH. The GPS would report a 0.6 MPH gradual drop, in speed, every time the AC compressor kicked in, though we could not readily feel it in the car. By the way, the instantaneous fuel mileage would also drop with each compressor cycle. Temperatures were in the low 100s, and AC was just slightly undercharged, so the compressor was cycling about twice a minute. We managed to average 22.9 for 1700 miles round trip, Phoenix to Reno and back. I don't think my diesel would be able to match that at the speeds we were traveling, and diesel was 15 cents higher than premium at the time Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles 94 Eldorado Northstar (what a fun ride!) 92 K miles ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Where is the ACC temp sensor? W124
What type of generators are the hybrids using; AC, DC? Do the traction motors have permanent magnet fields? Thanks, Gerry Archer -- - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks guys for all the help! I looked at all the stuff you guys sent, and decided that it wasn't something I was going to tackle while I was sleep deprived from helping run MSU's booth at a conference. As a side note I got to meet the VP of Engineering for Mercedes Benz Technology (aka, their research branch)!!! He's a very nice guy, and extremely techincal. :) We were showing off our ChallengeX vehicle (diesel-electric hybrid) that won 1st place, and he nearly crawled underneath the car looking at different modifications! Thanks again! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns the now flavored H20
Stopped at an exit on I-75 between Macon and Atlanta, Ga. to get a back wheel bearing changed. Shop had two refrigerators full of beer. While I was there every mechanic in the shop made at least one trip to the refrigerators and one mechanic went across the interstate to a convenience store for more beer. I wondered about the quality of the work done in that shop, but the car made it all the way to the West Coast and back, and the wheel bearing was still okay when I sold it. Gerry Archer - - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25 REASONS WHY ALCOHOL SHOULD BE SERVED AT WORK... 1. It's an incentive to show up. 2. It reduces stress. 3. It leads to more honest communication.snip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:06:00 -0400, you wrote: Good addition to the discussion. I have never owned a gun, though mom and dad had a 22 rifle and pistol in the house and we had to take training on the rifle when I was a kid [they always thought the pistol was safely tucked away, but I used that one more than the rifle. Another testimony that Safe Guns are not as such! -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 280E, AT, won't shift into third
Thanks John, that would do it. Are most of the kickdown switches inside, under the pedal? Harry On 8/16/07, John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the kickdown switch under the gas pedal is stuck? On 8/16/07, Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A guy looking to buy one of my SDLs has a 1977 and he says it won't shift to 3rd gear. Says the tach keeps climbing, but no shift. I told him someone on this list will have the answer. Any ideas? Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
Bill, If all you are interested in is sport then you really need to consider a Ruger MKIII. They are wonderful shooting weapons, accurate reasonably cheap to feed because they shoot 22LR cartridges. http://www.impactguns.com/store/736676101061.html If you have any ideas for home defense then consider a 45ACP from one of several manufactures. The bullet is huge (0.45 diameter) and slow and will stop your intruder. You don't want to kill him, just stop him - RIGHT NOW. And if he dies from the results of his own actions, then. Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillR Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:06 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law Good addition to the discussion. I have never owned a gun, though mom and dad had a 22 rifle and pistol in the house and we had to take training on the rifle when I was a kid [they always thought the pistol was safely tucked away, but I used that one more than the rifle. I am considering buying one now, not for self protection, but sport. I have a few sets of throwing knives that I enjoy, but am getting to the point that I don't have enough cool weather for months here to throw them - easy to get out of practice. I am thinking about getting a pistol just to see if I could get any proficiency with it. My son bought a handgun when he was away from home for several tours with the USAF and didn't live in an area where he felt his wife was safe alone. He made sure she was trained on it [she was also military]. We went to a range and I discovered those things are not so easy to shoot accurately as TV shows might suggest. Might be fun to try. With FL law I could probably carry it, but I wouldn't. It would be locked in a lockbox until I got to the range. BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law At the risk of being laughed at, I must again repeat my mantra that I spent almost half of my five-plus decades in urban areas and have never found myself in a situation where I'd have drawn a weapon if I'd have been carrying one. Closest I've come to that was when I was being teased by a street mime in NYC. He deserved to be shot not only for making fun of me (I was chewing gum) but because he was a mime. The only time I've armed myself was when I was stationed on Governors Island (NYC). If you arrived for the ferry boat after 11:00 pm, you had to wait a half hour instead of a quarter hour between ferry boats, parked just south of Wall Street. ... I kept a stout piece of oak and a hunting knife tucked under the driver's seat of my MBG, and that was only because I was sitting rather exposed (but with pants on) in a small convertible. My experience was that if approached by someone menacing, one had only to say f-off and the guy went away. It is only when one shows fear that one becomes a victim. I've shot weapons -- 45 handgun and 9 mm handgun and M-16 (all military-training related). This was done solely as part of my training: trying to hit the middle of the paper and earn a pretty blue ribbon w/ expert E on it. I've owned guns -- all inherited, none ever purchased -- and gladly left every one behind when I departed marriage #1. Now, if you feel more secure with a 9 mm tucked into your pants, then I guess that is your right. Personally, I'd be more afraid of shooting a testicle off during a sudden frenzy of scratching than I'd be of needing to get into a firefight over my lunch break. Let us stand for our closing prayer. On 8/16/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tom, There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
Good addition to the discussion. I have never owned a gun, though mom and dad had a 22 rifle and pistol in the house and we had to take training on the rifle when I was a kid [they always thought the pistol was safely tucked away, but I used that one more than the rifle. I am considering buying one now, not for self protection, but sport. I have a few sets of throwing knives that I enjoy, but am getting to the point that I don't have enough cool weather for months here to throw them - easy to get out of practice. I am thinking about getting a pistol just to see if I could get any proficiency with it. My son bought a handgun when he was away from home for several tours with the USAF and didn't live in an area where he felt his wife was safe alone. He made sure she was trained on it [she was also military]. We went to a range and I discovered those things are not so easy to shoot accurately as TV shows might suggest. Might be fun to try. With FL law I could probably carry it, but I wouldn't. It would be locked in a lockbox until I got to the range. BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law At the risk of being laughed at, I must again repeat my mantra that I spent almost half of my five-plus decades in urban areas and have never found myself in a situation where I'd have drawn a weapon if I'd have been carrying one. Closest I've come to that was when I was being teased by a street mime in NYC. He deserved to be shot not only for making fun of me (I was chewing gum) but because he was a mime. The only time I've armed myself was when I was stationed on Governors Island (NYC). If you arrived for the ferry boat after 11:00 pm, you had to wait a half hour instead of a quarter hour between ferry boats, parked just south of Wall Street. ... I kept a stout piece of oak and a hunting knife tucked under the driver's seat of my MBG, and that was only because I was sitting rather exposed (but with pants on) in a small convertible. My experience was that if approached by someone menacing, one had only to say f-off and the guy went away. It is only when one shows fear that one becomes a victim. I've shot weapons -- 45 handgun and 9 mm handgun and M-16 (all military-training related). This was done solely as part of my training: trying to hit the middle of the paper and earn a pretty blue ribbon w/ expert E on it. I've owned guns -- all inherited, none ever purchased -- and gladly left every one behind when I departed marriage #1. Now, if you feel more secure with a 9 mm tucked into your pants, then I guess that is your right. Personally, I'd be more afraid of shooting a testicle off during a sudden frenzy of scratching than I'd be of needing to get into a firefight over my lunch break. Let us stand for our closing prayer. On 8/16/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tom, There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns the now flavored H20 now alcohol
Interesting, I had an Uncle who I felt perfectly safe in a car with as long as he was drunk but he could not drive when he was sober. He also never got into an accident except when he was sober and he could not eat when he was sober. He was a DC crane repairman at Bethlehem Steel. These are the huge girder cranes that reach out pick up many, many tons of steel at one time. He consumed about 1.5 fifths of Whiskey a day for as long as I knew him, except for his last 4 years. He died of cirrhosis of the liver @ 59 years old he was miserable from age 55 until his death. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] handguns the now flavored H20 Stopped at an exit on I-75 between Macon and Atlanta, Ga. to get a back wheel bearing changed. Shop had two refrigerators full of beer. While I was there every mechanic in the shop made at least one trip to the refrigerators and one mechanic went across the interstate to a convenience store for more beer. I wondered about the quality of the work done in that shop, but the car made it all the way to the West Coast and back, and the wheel bearing was still okay when I sold it. Gerry Archer - - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25 REASONS WHY ALCOHOL SHOULD BE SERVED AT WORK... 1. It's an incentive to show up. 2. It reduces stress. 3. It leads to more honest communication.snip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
A loaded handgun can sit on a kitchen table for 20 years, perfectly safe. But an untrained individual can pick it up, point it at someone bang he'd dead. And as outlined in the example above, handguns don't kill people, people kill people. Also, in the example above, the person who pulled the trigger did not kill the other person, the irresponsible handgun owner killed the other person. Handguns are not unsafe, many gun owners are unsafe. If you want to discuss unsafe then lets talk about the number of people killed in auto accidents every year. while we are at it, compare the number to the number of handgun caused deaths. Look at the numbers you'll have to agree that we should go after the grossly larger number first - we should ban all cars!! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter T. Arnold Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:06:00 -0400, you wrote: Good addition to the discussion. I have never owned a gun, though mom and dad had a 22 rifle and pistol in the house and we had to take training on the rifle when I was a kid [they always thought the pistol was safely tucked away, but I used that one more than the rifle. Another testimony that Safe Guns are not as such! -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy - hijacked to GPS
Another option for those of us who troll thrift stores on occasion is the $21 Garmin ColorMap I picked a few years ago. Never seen another, though. They are very handy when travelling in unfamiliar areas, and at the very least will track where you have been if you happen into an area you don't have a map for. Having speed, distance, elevation, direction, the next road coming up, etc can be quite useful, and extra memory and maps are readily available [for mine, anyway], though a national update cost many times more than I paid for the unit. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:47 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy I'm using my second GPS I love it. I would not recommend one of the hand held ones or the TomTom POS. Plan on spending $600 - $800 for a fully functional, good GPS that can be mounted on the windshield of your car or on a pod on your motorcycle. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy If it has a map (as a former aircraft navigator, I unfortunately tend to get lost while out motorcycle riding) I want one. Joking aside, I really do want one -- but I want it to do what I need it to do (maps). I need turn by turn out in the sticks, not just a map of downtown Manhattan. I want to ride in any given direction (two-wheels) for a couple of hours, and then have the GPS tell me where I am and how to get home. On 8/16/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Want to loan me your GPS so I can check the accuracy of the Quantum? Loren thinks it is accurate, I think it reads 10 mph high. Got any recurring need for one? Lowrance has one that lists for about $80 and I've seen it on sale for $50-60. -On the defensive firearm issue: I don't ever expect to need it. I also don't expect my house to burn down, but I pay more for homeowner's insurance than I spend on guns in most years. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mac G3 parts
Except I can get that same machine for only $999 new. Is refurb worth $50? I haven't looked at the warranties, but a lot of the PC guys knock the warranty down to practically nothing on their refurbs. Gary On 8/16/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, if you want the best $$ for your budget, buy a MacBook refurb from the Apple Store online. You can get a heck of a deal and the machine is as-new with all the latest software and full Apple warranty. For example: Refurbished MacBook 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - White 13.3-inch glossy widescreen display 1GB memory 80GB hard drive Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) Built-in iSight camera $949.00 MacDan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy
NOw when is the IowaQ? - I think I'm planning to be there. Of course, you can time between two milage markers and figure it out before I arrive --- On 8/16/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Want to loan me your GPS so I can check the accuracy of the Quantum? Loren thinks it is accurate, I think it reads 10 mph high. I am not joking -- I will pay postage both ways or bring it to the IowaQ. D. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you only need to aim in the general direction of the target. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
I can see myself trying to drag a shotgun out from under the bed as an intruder is entering my bedroom.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you only need to aim in the general direction of the target. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy
Fry's has the DeLorme you plug into your laptop for $30 in today's flyer. Or outpost.com --R Fmiser wrote: It seems than at Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:16:13 -0500, Wonko wrote: Want to loan me your GPS so I can check the accuracy of the Quantum? Loren thinks it is accurate, I think it reads 10 mph high. I am not joking -- I will pay postage both ways or bring it to the IowaQ. $60 buys a basic GPS new. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
Retired Long Island detective told me a 12 gauge automatic with a pistol grip and a short barrel was the best self defense weapon at close range. Considering the way a 12 ga. kicks, I wonder about that pistol grip. Gerry Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you only need to aim in the general direction of the target. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
Nope, I keep one safely hidden in my bedroom and it's not in a traditional hiding place. I can reach it less than a minute but I need to get out of bed to do so. I have no interest in waking up, looking up at the muzzle of my own 45ACP. The rest are locked in a gun case that's securely bolted to a slab foundation. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:00 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law Well, where is your handgun? Do you keep it under the pillow at night? Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can see myself trying to drag a shotgun out from under the bed as an intruder is entering my bedroom.. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
You only need to pull the trigger once he'll hurt more than you will. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law Retired Long Island detective told me a 12 gauge automatic with a pistol grip and a short barrel was the best self defense weapon at close range. Considering the way a 12 ga. kicks, I wonder about that pistol grip. Gerry Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you only need to aim in the general direction of the target. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
get a 20 gauge. much easier to handle and kills em just as dead. On 8/17/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Retired Long Island detective told me a 12 gauge automatic with a pistol grip and a short barrel was the best self defense weapon at close range. Considering the way a 12 ga. kicks, I wonder about that pistol grip. Gerry Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you only need to aim in the general direction of the target. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy - GPS
That sort of thing can be a good option for small $. I picked up a small unit that plugged into both my laptop and my IPAQ [PCI slot?]. Using it with a map program on the laptop was quite easy and accurate. I have maps for my handheld that cover the entire country one county at a time, but they are not easy to use due to the small size of the display and the lack of features. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:02 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy Fry's has the DeLorme you plug into your laptop for $30 in today's flyer. Or outpost.com --R Fmiser wrote: It seems than at Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:16:13 -0500, Wonko wrote: Want to loan me your GPS so I can check the accuracy of the Quantum? Loren thinks it is accurate, I think it reads 10 mph high. I am not joking -- I will pay postage both ways or bring it to the IowaQ. $60 buys a basic GPS new. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
Well, where is your handgun? Do you keep it under the pillow at night? Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can see myself trying to drag a shotgun out from under the bed as an intruder is entering my bedroom.. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
Its fine. I have had 12 ga shotguns with pistol grips before. You basically just shoot from the hip with it. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law Retired Long Island detective told me a 12 gauge automatic with a pistol grip and a short barrel was the best self defense weapon at close range. Considering the way a 12 ga. kicks, I wonder about that pistol grip. Gerry Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you only need to aim in the general direction of the target. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory now guns and the law
I had no idea the discussion I would unleash when I mentioned guns. I am not even a gun owner. I keep a nine iron near the bed. Just in case I need to defend myself in the middle of the night or hit a high fade from 130 yards out. Sounds like we have a lot of gun enthusiasts on here. Let's hope you all don't get together with the drinking at work crowd and go hunting. :-) Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 139K (For Sale) my house is for sale, too. Anyone want to move to Wichita? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
I keep one there. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law Well, where is your handgun? Do you keep it under the pillow at night? Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can see myself trying to drag a shotgun out from under the bed as an intruder is entering my bedroom.. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Handguns and the law
When I was being trained for familiarization with the Government .45, our instructor told us If you shoot someone with this pistol and hit him in the finger, it is going to knock him down. He also disproved the canard that the pistol is more dangerous to an adversary if you throw it than if you shoot it. The man could powder small rocks 50 yards away. My class learned to shoot pretty well if I remember correctly. Before the Brady Law went into effect, I felt a strange need to own a pistol the feds wouldn't know about. I was undecided between a Government .45 automatic, which I thought I knew about, and a .357 Magnum revolver. A gun store guy explained the difference thus: Suppose you were shooting it out with someone taking cover behind the corner of a brick building. The .357 Magnum will shoot through the builidng. The Government .45 will knock the building down. The 9 mm has low recoil, but it is nowhere near as powerful as either the Government .45 or the .357 Magnum. For maximum power and recoil, try a Ruger .44 Magnum, but that is another story. Message: 5 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:26:02 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Bill, If all you are interested in is sport then you really need to consider a Ruger MKIII. They are wonderful shooting weapons, accurate reasonably cheap to feed because they shoot 22LR cartridges. If you have any ideas for home defense then consider a 45ACP from one of several manufactures. The bullet is huge (0.45 diameter) and slow and will stop your intruder. You don't want to kill him, just stop him - RIGHT NOW. And if he dies from the results of his own actions, then. Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy - GPS
The iWay has all the maps already installed on the internal 20 gig harddrive for all of north america. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor 918-746-1400 x305 - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy - GPS That sort of thing can be a good option for small $. I picked up a small unit that plugged into both my laptop and my IPAQ [PCI slot?]. Using it with a map program on the laptop was quite easy and accurate. I have maps for my handheld that cover the entire country one county at a time, but they are not easy to use due to the small size of the display and the lack of features. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:02 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy Fry's has the DeLorme you plug into your laptop for $30 in today's flyer. Or outpost.com --R Fmiser wrote: It seems than at Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:16:13 -0500, Wonko wrote: Want to loan me your GPS so I can check the accuracy of the Quantum? Loren thinks it is accurate, I think it reads 10 mph high. I am not joking -- I will pay postage both ways or bring it to the IowaQ. $60 buys a basic GPS new. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy - GPS
My Mio 310x has them all on internal 1gb flash for about $200. On 8/17/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The iWay has all the maps already installed on the internal 20 gig harddrive for all of north america. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor 918-746-1400 x305 - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy - GPS That sort of thing can be a good option for small $. I picked up a small unit that plugged into both my laptop and my IPAQ [PCI slot?]. Using it with a map program on the laptop was quite easy and accurate. I have maps for my handheld that cover the entire country one county at a time, but they are not easy to use due to the small size of the display and the lack of features. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:02 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy Fry's has the DeLorme you plug into your laptop for $30 in today's flyer. Or outpost.com --R Fmiser wrote: It seems than at Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:16:13 -0500, Wonko wrote: Want to loan me your GPS so I can check the accuracy of the Quantum? Loren thinks it is accurate, I think it reads 10 mph high. I am not joking -- I will pay postage both ways or bring it to the IowaQ. $60 buys a basic GPS new. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
Tom Hargrave wrote: I can see myself trying to drag a shotgun out from under the bed as an intruder is entering my bedroom.. I can draw mine without leaving the bed. 6 shot pump, 18.5 barrel. http://www.antipersonnel.net/sdllc/005.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 screw/clip terminals/FUSE panel
As I suspected, electric screw terminals in my 87 300D are, indeed, mounted on underside of the FUSE panel/holder under left rear corner of the hood IN FRONT of rear firewall, NOT above driver's footwell like the 123. (Because I'm nearly disabled, I'm not able to explore as easily as I used to - it has become a matter of not simply looking as I did in the past. Everything I do takes a LOT of effort. Even using a scredriver is hard. I have to make every effort productive.) For nearly 2 yrs I've been plugging and unplugging my mobility scooter charger at cig. lighter. Few days ago, Eric Peterson sent me an MB rear dome light switch, which I installed on a separate circuit installed by PO to control power to charger. This circuit, however was always hot. To preclude leaving charger on accidently, i. e. overnight, etc., I needed to put the scooter charging system on a circuit controlled by the master (ignition) switch. I have now installed this circuit on terminal #1 (cig. lighter, etc.) on underside of fuse holder. A special thanks to Joe Knight for helping me confirm location of terminals before I removed fuse holder. Following are procedures to access the terminals: 1. Open hood to full, vertical position. 2. Disconnect battery. 3. Remove fuse acccess cover. 4. Loosen six screws in relay cover and fuse access cover frame (1 piece). 5. Remove relay cover and fuse access cover frame. 6. Loosen screw at front, center of fuse panel/holder. 7. Lift fuse panel/holder at front while pulling it forward to unhook rear edge. 8. Continue pulling the fuse holder upward and forward while carefullly pulling bundle of wires from box beneath fuse holder. 9. Turn fuse holder upside-down to reveal screw terminals on underside. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
i'm a .45 acp lover myself, but this mystique of the miraculously devastating .45 is all nonsense. the traditional 230 grain subsonic .45 is a nice effective round, but it really won't knock an elephant 9 feet up into the air. and if you shoot someone in the finger with one and he falls down, it's probably because he's seen in the movies and thinks that's what you do when shot. and a modern, high pressure 9mm will kill a guy just as well. i personally like big bore guns (ask some of the kids about my .454), but carry a .380 in real life as the bigger guns just make my pants fall down at inopportune moments. On 8/17/07, Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was being trained for familiarization with the Government .45, our instructor told us If you shoot someone with this pistol and hit him in the finger, it is going to knock him down. He also disproved the canard that the pistol is more dangerous to an adversary if you throw it than if you shoot it. The man could powder small rocks 50 yards away. My class learned to shoot pretty well if I remember correctly. Before the Brady Law went into effect, I felt a strange need to own a pistol the feds wouldn't know about. I was undecided between a Government .45 automatic, which I thought I knew about, and a .357 Magnum revolver. A gun store guy explained the difference thus: Suppose you were shooting it out with someone taking cover behind the corner of a brick building. The .357 Magnum will shoot through the builidng. The Government .45 will knock the building down. The 9 mm has low recoil, but it is nowhere near as powerful as either the Government .45 or the .357 Magnum. For maximum power and recoil, try a Ruger .44 Magnum, but that is another story. Message: 5 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:26:02 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Bill, If all you are interested in is sport then you really need to consider a Ruger MKIII. They are wonderful shooting weapons, accurate reasonably cheap to feed because they shoot 22LR cartridges. If you have any ideas for home defense then consider a 45ACP from one of several manufactures. The bullet is huge (0.45 diameter) and slow and will stop your intruder. You don't want to kill him, just stop him - RIGHT NOW. And if he dies from the results of his own actions, then. Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy - GPS
It was about $550 BillR wrote: Yes, that would be nice, but I suspect you paid a bit more than the $21 for my ColorMap [that was a very good buy ...] or the @$100 for the plug in unit. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy - GPS The iWay has all the maps already installed on the internal 20 gig harddrive for all of north america. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor 918-746-1400 x305 - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy - GPS That sort of thing can be a good option for small $. I picked up a small unit that plugged into both my laptop and my IPAQ [PCI slot?]. Using it with a map program on the laptop was quite easy and accurate. I have maps for my handheld that cover the entire country one county at a time, but they are not easy to use due to the small size of the display and the lack of features. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:02 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy Fry's has the DeLorme you plug into your laptop for $30 in today's flyer. Or outpost.com --R Fmiser wrote: It seems than at Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:16:13 -0500, Wonko wrote: Want to loan me your GPS so I can check the accuracy of the Quantum? Loren thinks it is accurate, I think it reads 10 mph high. I am not joking -- I will pay postage both ways or bring it to the IowaQ. $60 buys a basic GPS new. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
Years ago a man came into the ER who was missing the bottom half of his scrotum but his testicles were in good shape, hanging by the vein, artery, and spermatic cord. His girlfriends husband had caught them in bed, he raised up on his knees when the door flew open, and her husband shot between his legs with a .45 cal pistol. A cop said the slug didn't hit his scrotum but that it had come close and that was enough to blow part of it off. It seemed unlikely at the time but since then I've seen what kind of damage a .45 slug can do. The doctor managed to sew what was left of the scrotum back around the testicles and in 24 hours the suture lines were healed. Gerry - Original Message - From: Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I was being trained for familiarization with the Government .45, our instructor told us If you shoot someone with this pistol and hit him in the finger, it is going to knock him down. He also disproved the canard that the pistol is more dangerous to an adversary if you throw it than if you shoot it. The man could powder small rocks 50 yards away. My class learned to shoot pretty well if I remember correctly. Before the Brady Law went into effect, I felt a strange need to own a pistol the feds wouldn't know about. I was undecided between a Government .45 automatic, which I thought I knew about, and a .357 Magnum revolver. A gun store guy explained the difference thus: Suppose you were shooting it out with someone taking cover behind the corner of a brick building. The .357 Magnum will shoot through the builidng. The Government .45 will knock the building down. The 9 mm has low recoil, but it is nowhere near as powerful as either the Government .45 or the .357 Magnum. For maximum power and recoil, try a Ruger .44 Magnum, but that is another story. Message: 5 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:26:02 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Bill, If all you are interested in is sport then you really need to consider a Ruger MKIII. They are wonderful shooting weapons, accurate reasonably cheap to feed because they shoot 22LR cartridges. If you have any ideas for home defense then consider a 45ACP from one of several manufactures. The bullet is huge (0.45 diameter) and slow and will stop your intruder. You don't want to kill him, just stop him - RIGHT NOW. And if he dies from the results of his own actions, then. Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy - GPS
Yes, that would be nice, but I suspect you paid a bit more than the $21 for my ColorMap [that was a very good buy ...] or the @$100 for the plug in unit. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy - GPS The iWay has all the maps already installed on the internal 20 gig harddrive for all of north america. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor 918-746-1400 x305 - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy - GPS That sort of thing can be a good option for small $. I picked up a small unit that plugged into both my laptop and my IPAQ [PCI slot?]. Using it with a map program on the laptop was quite easy and accurate. I have maps for my handheld that cover the entire country one county at a time, but they are not easy to use due to the small size of the display and the lack of features. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:02 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy Fry's has the DeLorme you plug into your laptop for $30 in today's flyer. Or outpost.com --R Fmiser wrote: It seems than at Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:16:13 -0500, Wonko wrote: Want to loan me your GPS so I can check the accuracy of the Quantum? Loren thinks it is accurate, I think it reads 10 mph high. I am not joking -- I will pay postage both ways or bring it to the IowaQ. $60 buys a basic GPS new. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory now guns and the law
Who knew the Mercedes crowd was filled with all these freaks... On 8/17/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had no idea the discussion I would unleash when I mentioned guns. I am not even a gun owner. I keep a nine iron near the bed. Just in case I need to defend myself in the middle of the night or hit a high fade from 130 yards out. Sounds like we have a lot of gun enthusiasts on here. Let's hope you all don't get together with the drinking at work crowd and go hunting. :-) Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
Gerry wrote: Years ago a man came into the ER who was missing the bottom half of his scrotum but his testicles were in good shape, hanging by the vein, artery, and spermatic cord. His girlfriends husband had caught them in bed, he raised up on his knees when the door flew open, and her husband shot between his legs with a .45 cal pistol. I will never be the same after reading that. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 139K (For Sale) My House is For Sale, too. Want to move to Wichita? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory now guns and the law
we are all over the place, albeit suppressed and marginalized by the new york and LA media. but in the other LA (lower alabama) we are the vast majority. some of this even suspect that this was once our country, before the insane generation gave it away. On 8/17/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who knew the Mercedes crowd was filled with all these freaks... On 8/17/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had no idea the discussion I would unleash when I mentioned guns. I am not even a gun owner. I keep a nine iron near the bed. Just in case I need to defend myself in the middle of the night or hit a high fade from 130 yards out. Sounds like we have a lot of gun enthusiasts on here. Let's hope you all don't get together with the drinking at work crowd and go hunting. :-) Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 280E, AT, won't shift into third
Harry Watkins wrote: A guy looking to buy one of my SDLs has a 1977 and he says it won't shift to 3rd gear. Says the tach keeps climbing, but no shift. I told him someone on this list will have the answer. Change fluid and filter. If that doesn't improve things the transmission may only need adjustment OR it may be worn out! It is, after all, 30 years old! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Name my Sprinter (was Re: I've gone and done it)
Right now, I'm thinking of going with Klaus or Gustav. We're leaving for Victoria, BC in an hour and a half, the van's first road trip with many more to come. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 2006 Sprinter PV 900mi, Klaus ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
This is getting a little OT (unless you don't want to shoot the mercedes in the garage through the fireproof wall), but a .357 mag revolver can shoot a .38 special round, and a .44 mag can shoot a .44 special round. In addition, Glaser safety slugs (prefragmented bullets) work well in revolvers where you don't want to deal with overpenetration. If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind your target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 08:33:07AM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: true. If you hit somebody with a .357 or a .44 mag, and you live close to another house, or perhaps in an apartment, it could go right thru the guy, out the house, into the next house and hit somebody else. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns the law
Depends on how its loaded, you don't need 3 super magnums for self defense, a light load of #6s will do the job sufficiently. Aim a little high 100 pellets in the face will deter most intruders. I've had the opportunity to confront someone with a gun before and for sheer intimidation factor a 12ga pump is hard to beat. Fortunately I did not have to fire simply jacking the chamber closed (unloaded as it were) was plenty of incentive for the intruder to lie down on the floor while I called the police. -Curt Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:11:52 -0400 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Retired Long Island detective told me a 12 gauge automatic with a pistol grip and a short barrel was the best self defense weapon at close range. Considering the way a 12 ga. kicks, I wonder about that pistol grip. Gerry - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
Don - You are selling your car and your house ... did your wife lose her red slippers? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law Gerry wrote: Years ago a man came into the ER who was missing the bottom half of his scrotum but his testicles were in good shape, hanging by the vein, artery, and spermatic cord. His girlfriends husband had caught them in bed, he raised up on his knees when the door flew open, and her husband shot between his legs with a .45 cal pistol. I will never be the same after reading that. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 139K (For Sale) My House is For Sale, too. Want to move to Wichita? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy
For turn by turn you're probably right but if you can read a map a $100 unit is PLENTY. I've got a Garmin E-Trex Legend that I really like. Its small, only has a few buttons, is easy on batteries and updates quickly. The only issue I have is Garmin seems to be dumber than a bag of hammers when it comes to selling accessories for it. The Legend that I have uses a different 12v power adapter than all the other Etrex units and its been hard to find one. Of course I haven't worked all that hard, it is easy on batteries and I use rechargables... Once you go someplace and want to come home its easy to follow the reverse route but it doesn't give you turn by turn. -Curt Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:47:20 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedo accuracy To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm using my second GPS I love it. I would not recommend one of the hand held ones or the TomTom POS. Plan on spending $600 - $800 for a fully functional, good GPS that can be mounted on the windshield of your car or on a pod on your motorcycle. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Not in Kansas anymore ....
Sorry should have changed the subject line ... Bill -Original Message- From: BillR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:58 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: RE: [MBZ] Handguns and the law Don - You are selling your car and your house ... did your wife lose her red slippers? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law Gerry wrote: Years ago a man came into the ER who was missing the bottom half of his scrotum but his testicles were in good shape, hanging by the vein, artery, and spermatic cord. His girlfriends husband had caught them in bed, he raised up on his knees when the door flew open, and her husband shot between his legs with a .45 cal pistol. I will never be the same after reading that. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 139K (For Sale) My House is For Sale, too. Want to move to Wichita? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
true. If you hit somebody with a .357 or a .44 mag, and you live close to another house, or perhaps in an apartment, it could go right thru the guy, out the house, into the next house and hit somebody else. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you only need to aim in the general direction of the target. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
I've read that back in the day intrepid frontersmen would shoot just in front of the nose of a squirrel with their .50 cal(or other large bore) muzzle loader. The squirrel would be killed by the shockwave as the bullet came by but no meat would be damaged. Dad and I tried it on several occasions but were never able to make it work. Of course we were limited in our shooting opportunities by limiting our selves to shots where we had an appropriate backstop. I'm sure the frontiersmen would shoot at squirrels up in a tree, devil may care where the bullet would land. No doubt similar effect is at work in the ER story. -Curt Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:11:10 -0400 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Years ago a man came into the ER who was missing the bottom half of his scrotum but his testicles were in good shape, hanging by the vein, artery, and spermatic cord. His girlfriends husband had caught them in bed, he raised up on his knees when the door flew open, and her husband shot between his legs with a .45 cal pistol. A cop said the slug didn't hit his scrotum but that it had come close and that was enough to blow part of it off. It seemed unlikely at the time but since then I've seen what kind of damage a .45 slug can do. The doctor managed to sew what was left of the scrotum back around the testicles and in 24 hours the suture lines were healed. Gerry - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
Ouch!!! 45 ACP is a mean caliber. Shoot someone in his hand and you'll transfer enough energy to knock him down. There is nothing else out there that will do the same. The other caliber bullets all move too fast, even the 44 caliber. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law Gerry wrote: Years ago a man came into the ER who was missing the bottom half of his scrotum but his testicles were in good shape, hanging by the vein, artery, and spermatic cord. His girlfriends husband had caught them in bed, he raised up on his knees when the door flew open, and her husband shot between his legs with a .45 cal pistol. I will never be the same after reading that. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 139K (For Sale) My House is For Sale, too. Want to move to Wichita? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory now guns and the law
Freaks, what freaks? Do you mean all of the non-handgun owners? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeitgeist Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory now guns and the law Who knew the Mercedes crowd was filled with all these freaks... On 8/17/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had no idea the discussion I would unleash when I mentioned guns. I am not even a gun owner. I keep a nine iron near the bed. Just in case I need to defend myself in the middle of the night or hit a high fade from 130 yards out. Sounds like we have a lot of gun enthusiasts on here. Let's hope you all don't get together with the drinking at work crowd and go hunting. :-) Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns the law
Speaking of that trying to drag a shotgun out fr - I read or heard a man 22feet away can cross a room and be on you before you can grab a gun from the nightstand. IIRC they tested it and found it true. Even so, I don't keep my handgun so close I might pick it up while half asleep. I take pain meds and my sleep is erratic. I've awakened in the past and been confused about the time, day and what I was supposed to be doing - one time I started getting dressed at 3am instead of 445a when I usually get up. Not a terrible loss of control but I don't want to have a gun in my hand when my mind is not fully alert. Hopefully the Manson Clan ;-) won;t chose to attack when I'm like that - which isn't often thankfully. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law I can see myself trying to drag a shotgun out from under the bed as an intruder is entering my bedroom.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you only need to aim in the general direction of the target. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 1:46 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A friend of mine was riding her bicycle on a country road [when we lived in IN] and she was hit in the leg by a bullet that dropped out of the sky. Didn't do serious damage except to her sense of safety outdoors. Took her a long time to get over it. Those shots in the air come down somewhere. Odds are a bullet will land safely, but if enough shots are fired over the years odds are one of them will hurt someone. I was working on the roof of a house I used to own and found a bullet embedded in the asphalt shingles, evidently had dropped out of the sky and stuck there at some point. Penetrated enough to stick, but did not go into the deck. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
So, even if your target is wearing body armor you can still knock him off his feet? Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ouch!!! 45 ACP is a mean caliber. Shoot someone in his hand and you'll transfer enough energy to knock him down. There is nothing else out there that will do the same. The other caliber bullets all move too fast, even the 44 caliber. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Name my Sprinter (was Re: I've gone and done it)
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:36:51 -0700 Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now, I'm thinking of going with Klaus or Gustav. Heinrich Herman Igor Kleiner (a pun) Oskar Peter (pronounced pay-ter) Werner (pronounced vair-ner) We're leaving for Victoria, BC in an hour and a half, the van's first road trip with many more to come. Have a fun, safe trip! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory now guns and the law
Lordy...[rolls eyes] On 8/17/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freaks, what freaks? Do you mean all of the non-handgun owners? Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 screw/clip terminals/FUSE panel
Thanks Wilton, this one gets a gold star in my gmail account. Thanks for sharing. Harry On 8/17/07, wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I suspected, electric screw terminals in my 87 300D are, indeed, mounted on underside of the FUSE panel/holder under left rear corner of the hood IN FRONT of rear firewall, NOT above driver's footwell like the 123. (Because I'm nearly disabled, I'm not able to explore as easily as I used to - it has become a matter of not simply looking as I did in the past. Everything I do takes a LOT of effort. Even using a scredriver is hard. I have to make every effort productive.) For nearly 2 yrs I've been plugging and unplugging my mobility scooter charger at cig. lighter. Few days ago, Eric Peterson sent me an MB rear dome light switch, which I installed on a separate circuit installed by PO to control power to charger. This circuit, however was always hot. To preclude leaving charger on accidently, i. e. overnight, etc., I needed to put the scooter charging system on a circuit controlled by the master (ignition) switch. I have now installed this circuit on terminal #1 (cig. lighter, etc.) on underside of fuse holder. A special thanks to Joe Knight for helping me confirm location of terminals before I removed fuse holder. Following are procedures to access the terminals: 1. Open hood to full, vertical position. 2. Disconnect battery. 3. Remove fuse acccess cover. 4. Loosen six screws in relay cover and fuse access cover frame (1 piece). 5. Remove relay cover and fuse access cover frame. 6. Loosen screw at front, center of fuse panel/holder. 7. Lift fuse panel/holder at front while pulling it forward to unhook rear edge. 8. Continue pulling the fuse holder upward and forward while carefullly pulling bundle of wires from box beneath fuse holder. 9. Turn fuse holder upside-down to reveal screw terminals on underside. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mac G3 parts
I wish my stuff would go through the roof. I have been unloading mac stuff and getting pennies for it. At least it it leaving the house and that makes SWMBA happy clay On 16 Aug 2007, at 11:51, Allan Streib wrote: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you find a laptop for under $400, grab it. I would expect the Powerbook G4 Aluminum 12 to be at that price point. I just saw one on eBay that was over $700 with 8 hours left to go. Is it possible to get *any* bargains on eBay anymore? Seems like prices go through the roof on almost everything there. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
That's exactly why I chose the 45 ACP because it's a big, slow bullet. A 45 ACP has less penetration than even a 9mm. No-one has any business shooting a magnum anything in a neighborhood, even in self defense. I have a 44 Magnum too - a Ruger Blackhawk. It's a great weapon to shoot for fun to deer hunt with, but that's just about it. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law true. If you hit somebody with a .357 or a .44 mag, and you live close to another house, or perhaps in an apartment, it could go right thru the guy, out the house, into the next house and hit somebody else. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you only need to aim in the general direction of the target. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
A friend of mine was riding her bicycle on a country road [when we lived in IN] and she was hit in the leg by a bullet that dropped out of the sky. Didn't do serious damage except to her sense of safety outdoors. Took her a long time to get over it. Those shots in the air come down somewhere. Odds are a bullet will land safely, but if enough shots are fired over the years odds are one of them will hurt someone. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:13 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law I've read that back in the day intrepid frontersmen would shoot just in front of the nose of a squirrel with their .50 cal(or other large bore) muzzle loader. The squirrel would be killed by the shockwave as the bullet came by but no meat would be damaged. Dad and I tried it on several occasions but were never able to make it work. Of course we were limited in our shooting opportunities by limiting our selves to shots where we had an appropriate backstop. I'm sure the frontiersmen would shoot at squirrels up in a tree, devil may care where the bullet would land. No doubt similar effect is at work in the ER story. -Curt Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:11:10 -0400 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Years ago a man came into the ER who was missing the bottom half of his scrotum but his testicles were in good shape, hanging by the vein, artery, and spermatic cord. His girlfriends husband had caught them in bed, he raised up on his knees when the door flew open, and her husband shot between his legs with a .45 cal pistol. A cop said the slug didn't hit his scrotum but that it had come close and that was enough to blow part of it off. It seemed unlikely at the time but since then I've seen what kind of damage a .45 slug can do. The doctor managed to sew what was left of the scrotum back around the testicles and in 24 hours the suture lines were healed. Gerry - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D Noise
Howdy, A few weeks ago I asked about a fan like noise I hear from the drivers seat side only. It doesn;t start until 25-30mph and is like a large fan. Not a rough, rumbling or gritty noise - very smooth as if there were a turbine under the hood. (I wish!) Anyway, suggested possibilities were the wheel bearings, and driveshaft. I check both without finding a problem, I didn't take then apart, but under braking the cars stops straight with hands off the s wheel - no heat from the wheel bearing caps - well, not none, but equal heat. So, should I repack the front wheel bearings in case that's the problem? Also, when the rear w.brgs fail what are the symptoms? The d-shaft is tight and turns smooth by hand. The T-Converter doesn't fail does it? Being hydraulic I would think they last forever. Thx Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns the law
Curt said, simply jacking the chamber closed I've heard just that sound alone is so recognizable that 99% of criminals will turn and run if they hear it. The remaining 1% are quickly removed from the gene pool. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] handguns the law Depends on how its loaded, you don't need 3 super magnums for self defense, a light load of #6s will do the job sufficiently. Aim a little high 100 pellets in the face will deter most intruders. I've had the opportunity to confront someone with a gun before and for sheer intimidation factor a 12ga pump is hard to beat. Fortunately I did not have to fire simply jacking the chamber closed (unloaded as it were) was plenty of incentive for the intruder to lie down on the floor while I called the police. -Curt Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:11:52 -0400 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Retired Long Island detective told me a 12 gauge automatic with a pistol grip and a short barrel was the best self defense weapon at close range. Considering the way a 12 ga. kicks, I wonder about that pistol grip. Gerry - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 1:46 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 86 300SDL
That $4k sounds good if the car is in good condition for your tastes. I paid $3k for the POS SDL and it was not worth that, but seems that $3k is the lower limits for a running SDL on eBay. SD would have a rod bender engine clay On 16 Aug 2007, at 12:06, LarryT wrote: Howdy, Found a subject car - silver, 200K, all records, engine, tranny, AC all in very good condition. Needs detailing and a couple very small tears in the seats. Sheepskins on the front seats so couldn;t seee them very well - tires and wheels good except the wheels are chromed (Yuck) Asking ~$3900 but will deal. What's it worth - I know, Kaleb says $200. How about a more common selling price?Any majoy problems to watch out for? He also has a white 300SD W140 but haven't gotten a price yet. Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns the law
That's true and it's an explanation of reaction time. A typical home confrontation is 7'. If someone sees you decides to run at you with a knife in your living room you decide to shoot him as soon as you realize what he's doing, your reaction time is not fast enough to point the gun pull the trigger before he's on top of you. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] handguns the law Speaking of that trying to drag a shotgun out fr - I read or heard a man 22feet away can cross a room and be on you before you can grab a gun from the nightstand. IIRC they tested it and found it true. Even so, I don't keep my handgun so close I might pick it up while half asleep. I take pain meds and my sleep is erratic. I've awakened in the past and been confused about the time, day and what I was supposed to be doing - one time I started getting dressed at 3am instead of 445a when I usually get up. Not a terrible loss of control but I don't want to have a gun in my hand when my mind is not fully alert. Hopefully the Manson Clan ;-) won;t chose to attack when I'm like that - which isn't often thankfully. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law I can see myself trying to drag a shotgun out from under the bed as an intruder is entering my bedroom.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you only need to aim in the general direction of the target. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 1:46 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Welders
Nice. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Welders Did you click on the link Jua Kali on that same page? A man built a beautiful Cessna model - completely scratchbuilt - in the middle of Africa. http://www.afrigadget.com/category/jua-kali/ It's very detailed/ Not that the welding machine isn't miraculous. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] Welders Build your own! Kill yourself! --R http://www.afrigadget.com/2007/06/03/home-made-welding-machine/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 9:48 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
No, body armor will protect him but will leave a huge bruise. Remember, for every action, there is an equal opposing reaction. You shoot the handgun the recoil is distributed across the palm of your hand, down your arm into your body. Think of everything as a living shock absorber. But your target experiences something different. The bullet hits with the same energy that was absorbed by your hand. But in the case of a 45 ACP, the same amount of energy travels foreword through the body in a shock wave, starting with the 0.45 penetration point, causing damage to occur in a fast spreading cone shape in front of the round. He's not being knocked down - he's falling down from the shock to his system. Faster rounds penetrate faster, causing a much narrower damage cone less shock to the system. Get fast enough the damage cone will not be much larger than the bullet itself the bullet will exit from the other side. This is why the police have to shoot some bad guys multiple times with their 9mm. They are not delivering enough shock to the target (the bad guy) to bring him down with one round. He may even get away die later, but that does not stop him from doing what he is doing RIGHT NOW. Years ago, the Madison County Sherriff's department had a fugitive holed up in a house. He came out shooting was hit with several 9mm rounds. A 45 ACP round stopped him. It's the shock factor. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law So, even if your target is wearing body armor you can still knock him off his feet? Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ouch!!! 45 ACP is a mean caliber. Shoot someone in his hand and you'll transfer enough energy to knock him down. There is nothing else out there that will do the same. The other caliber bullets all move too fast, even the 44 caliber. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not in Kansas anymore ....
Bill R. wrote: Don - You are selling your car and your house ... did your wife lose her red slippers? Well, the car, as you know, has been for sale for a while. It is still for sale, but I have been doing much to get it sold. It drives great, runs great, still looks good and is comfortable. I let my autotrader ad expire and I have not done anything else to sell it. The reason the house is for sale is because of a mistake. We live in a really interesting neighborhood called College Hill. All of the houses are old. The trees are large and many of the streets are cobblestone. A lot of the houses have old carriage houses for garages and the houses all have lots of character. Some people would say that it is for the rich and snobby people. What they don't realize is that the neighborhood is not just for Rich people (because I am NOT rich - maybe once I get my damn student loans paid off I will be closer). The houses in the neighborhood range from $1.5 Million to less than $100,000. That is one thing that is very interesting about it. The $1.5 Million house is only 2 blocks east and 2 blocks south of my house. But, my house is only $160,000. at any rate, my wife and I were bored one Sunday afternoon and it was beautiful outside, so we decided to go for a drive. We noticed that a couple of houses in College Hill were having an Open House. So, we went and looked. Now, we didn't look at the $500,000 house that we couldn't afford, we looked at one that was actually pretty reasonable. We thought it was too expensive and therefore no danger in looking at it. That night we actually put pen to paper and determined that we could afford the house. In fact, between what we paid for the mortgage and the home equity loan - we were paying for a much nicer house. So, we talked to realtor and she told us how much we could get for our house. We took the plunge and put it on the market. In the interim we decided against the against the house that had originally inspired us to sell our house. We are still looking for our next house. Now, is not a good time to be selling the market is very slow. So, if it doesn't sell that is okay we love the house and we can wait until the market is better. The frustrating thing is we have had TONS of people looking at the house. We have had appointments almost everyday for the 40 days it has been on the market. But, despite all the activity it has not sold. Here is the listing for our house: http://www.wichitalistings.com/property/property.asp?PRM_MLSNumber=22135 2PRM_MlsName=wichitaKS# http://www.wichitalistings.com/property/property.asp?PRM_MLSNumber=2213 52PRM_MlsName=wichitaKS Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 139K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns the law
LarryT wrote: Curt said, simply jacking the chamber closed I've heard just that sound alone is so recognizable that 99% of criminals will turn and run if they hear it. The remaining 1% are quickly removed from the gene pool. I did this once: Heard a suspicious noise in the yard, sounded like a large destructive animal, probably human or raccoon. Opened a window, racked the 12ga, closed the window, went back to sleep. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Welders
Did you click on the link Jua Kali on that same page? A man built a beautiful Cessna model - completely scratchbuilt - in the middle of Africa. http://www.afrigadget.com/category/jua-kali/ It's very detailed/ Not that the welding machine isn't miraculous. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] Welders Build your own! Kill yourself! --R http://www.afrigadget.com/2007/06/03/home-made-welding-machine/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 9:48 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
it knocks him down in neither case but given this knock down logic were true, the vest should make no difference in the knockdown capability. if it does, then i have to retire from this conversation. On 8/17/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, even if your target is wearing body armor you can still knock him off his feet? Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ouch!!! 45 ACP is a mean caliber. Shoot someone in his hand and you'll transfer enough energy to knock him down. There is nothing else out there that will do the same. The other caliber bullets all move too fast, even the 44 caliber. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
The 45 ACP may not live up to legend but there is no other handgun ball ammo round that will transfer as much energy into a target. The round was developed because its predecessor, the 38 caliber, did not have enough stopping power. Now the military uses 9 mm and most home defense guns are 9mm, which is awful close to the 38 caliber that the 45 ACP replaced. Remember, it's speed X mass. The other larger caliber rounds have the mass but they have so much speed that anything short of a hollow point will pass through, causing death and destruction beyond and I have issues with loading hollow points into a self defense gun. The 9mm with ball ammo has more speed but much less mass the ball ammo will also pass through with the same results. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law i'm a .45 acp lover myself, but this mystique of the miraculously devastating .45 is all nonsense. the traditional 230 grain subsonic .45 is a nice effective round, but it really won't knock an elephant 9 feet up into the air. and if you shoot someone in the finger with one and he falls down, it's probably because he's seen in the movies and thinks that's what you do when shot. and a modern, high pressure 9mm will kill a guy just as well. i personally like big bore guns (ask some of the kids about my .454), but carry a .380 in real life as the bigger guns just make my pants fall down at inopportune moments. On 8/17/07, Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was being trained for familiarization with the Government .45, our instructor told us If you shoot someone with this pistol and hit him in the finger, it is going to knock him down. He also disproved the canard that the pistol is more dangerous to an adversary if you throw it than if you shoot it. The man could powder small rocks 50 yards away. My class learned to shoot pretty well if I remember correctly. Before the Brady Law went into effect, I felt a strange need to own a pistol the feds wouldn't know about. I was undecided between a Government .45 automatic, which I thought I knew about, and a .357 Magnum revolver. A gun store guy explained the difference thus: Suppose you were shooting it out with someone taking cover behind the corner of a brick building. The .357 Magnum will shoot through the builidng. The Government .45 will knock the building down. The 9 mm has low recoil, but it is nowhere near as powerful as either the Government .45 or the .357 Magnum. For maximum power and recoil, try a Ruger .44 Magnum, but that is another story. Message: 5 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:26:02 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Bill, If all you are interested in is sport then you really need to consider a Ruger MKIII. They are wonderful shooting weapons, accurate reasonably cheap to feed because they shoot 22LR cartridges. If you have any ideas for home defense then consider a 45ACP from one of several manufactures. The bullet is huge (0.45 diameter) and slow and will stop your intruder. You don't want to kill him, just stop him - RIGHT NOW. And if he dies from the results of his own actions, then. Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point squeeze. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns the law
the raccoon threw a petrol bomb through the window, but then mitch called in an air strike and put an end to this nasty business On 8/17/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the raccoon's reaction was? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] handguns the law LarryT wrote: Curt said, simply jacking the chamber closed I've heard just that sound alone is so recognizable that 99% of criminals will turn and run if they hear it. The remaining 1% are quickly removed from the gene pool. I did this once: Heard a suspicious noise in the yard, sounded like a large destructive animal, probably human or raccoon. Opened a window, racked the 12ga, closed the window, went back to sleep. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory now guns and the law
Basically, just being in the Mercedes crowd makes you a freak. Then there are several sub freak catagories as well. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory now guns and the law Who knew the Mercedes crowd was filled with all these freaks... On 8/17/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had no idea the discussion I would unleash when I mentioned guns. I am not even a gun owner. I keep a nine iron near the bed. Just in case I need to defend myself in the middle of the night or hit a high fade from 130 yards out. Sounds like we have a lot of gun enthusiasts on here. Let's hope you all don't get together with the drinking at work crowd and go hunting. :-) Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
Kevin wrote: If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind your target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. Especially those who know nothing about gun safety but what they were required to learn for their jobs. Cops trying to shoot snake kill 5 year old boy: http://newsok.com/article/3098884 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292168,00.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not in Kansas anymore ....
On 8/17/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.wichitalistings.com/property/property.asp?PRM_MLSNumber=221352PRM_MlsName=wichitaKS# Nice place. You Midwest guys don't know how good you have it. That house on the West coast would sell for twice as much (maybe four times as much in SF or LA). Your realtor looks like a fine specimen, as well. ;) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 21, Issue 85
True, true, true. In gunfighting days in the Old West, the double barrel shotgun (two row, so called) was absolutely the most deadly personal weapon, measured by kills in close combat. You could look it up. 12 gauge autoloaders are not called alley cleaners for nothing. Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:11:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Retired Long Island detective told me a 12 gauge automatic with a pistol grip and a short barrel was the best self defense weapon at close range. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My new wheels
My muscles hurt just thinking about how much control he must have to do that stuff clay On 16 Aug 2007, at 21:00, Rich Thomas wrote: Check it out on this vid: http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/08/buggyrollin.html? CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
I tell you want I wouldnt mind getting one of these days is one of them desert eagle deals, or even a 44 automag. Friend of mine has an ak47 he wants to sell. Thought about buying that. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law That's exactly why I chose the 45 ACP because it's a big, slow bullet. A 45 ACP has less penetration than even a 9mm. No-one has any business shooting a magnum anything in a neighborhood, even in self defense. I have a 44 Magnum too - a Ruger Blackhawk. It's a great weapon to shoot for fun to deer hunt with, but that's just about it. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 - Grosser Mercedes
I am waiting for Benz Friendz warehouse clearance sale to snag the 600 living there. Probably not the first person with that at the top of his list, but better me than the crusher. clay On 16 Aug 2007, at 19:51, tom savage wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Everyone who is driving a 600 please raise his/her hand. Bueller? Bueller? Raises hand I drive one regularly. Once the suspension pumps up it is the most amazing thing you could ever imagine. Even Hummer drivers get out of your way and railroad crossings are merely heard instead of felt. It isn't a friendly car; people tend to just stare at it from a distance and not ask about it like they do with most other old MBs. Maybe they're just wondering what a jackass like myself is doing driving it. I was at the gas station last month and a woman walked over and complimented the car, asked what year, etc, and, um, is that hissing noise coming from the car? Oh, that's a leaking suspension fitting. It turns into a lowrider after sitting for a couple of hours. I showed her the shot glasses in the refrigerator between the front seats and she politely skulked back to her Infiniti with a profound look of WTF? Absolutely incredible cars, almost comparable more to Concorde than to any other car. They're also a real pain it the ass to deal with and require the entire treasury of a banana republic to maintain properly (which is no problem for a real 600 owner, because he tends to have exactly that at his disposal), but the outcome is amazing when you lock a bunch of OCD engineers in a room containing nothing but some drafting tables and cocaine and tell them to build something perfect. And not a back box or circuit board in sight... Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory now guns and the law
Oh well, it gets boring if all we talk about is klatta, klatta, klatta (from a diesel, not a machine gun). Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:48 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory now guns and the law I had no idea the discussion I would unleash when I mentioned guns. I am not even a gun owner. I keep a nine iron near the bed. Just in case I need to defend myself in the middle of the night or hit a high fade from 130 yards out. Sounds like we have a lot of gun enthusiasts on here. Let's hope you all don't get together with the drinking at work crowd and go hunting. :-) Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 139K (For Sale) my house is for sale, too. Anyone want to move to Wichita? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns the law
LarryT wrote: Speaking of that trying to drag a shotgun out fr - I read or heard a man 22feet away can cross a room and be on you before you can grab a gun from the nightstand. IIRC they tested it and found it true. It was police officers drawing from belt holsters. The score was about 50%. That is, half the cops who knew they were in a contest were able to react, draw, and fire before the attacker could get to them with a knife. That 50% would go way down if it were truly a surprise attack. I always figured a knife (which cannot be legally concealed in Michigan, even with a concealed handgun permit) was good enough for most defense away from the home. My standard was 10 feet. Beyond ten feet, run. Inside ten feet, disect him with the knife. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns the law
And the raccoon's reaction was? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] handguns the law LarryT wrote: Curt said, simply jacking the chamber closed I've heard just that sound alone is so recognizable that 99% of criminals will turn and run if they hear it. The remaining 1% are quickly removed from the gene pool. I did this once: Heard a suspicious noise in the yard, sounded like a large destructive animal, probably human or raccoon. Opened a window, racked the 12ga, closed the window, went back to sleep. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the la
He may have preferred the bullet. Nice that you were able to talk him down. On 16 Aug 2007, at 18:35, Wonko the Sane wrote: That is what your neighbor gets for buying rap CDs. ... I am sure no street hood would be interested in my Musical Heritage Society collection of CDs, unless crack goes well with Beethoven. Again, just so I am clear, I have no problem with you folks packing heat if it makes you feel more secure. And I have no problem with you putting a teddy bear in your briefcase if that makes you happy. ... It is just that I, personally, have never found a need to strap on a weapon and head off to work. There are some, such as Chris (make-a-lot-of-kids Chris, not Sandwich Boy), who feel threatened and want to strap an AK-47 to his back to make his commute safe. If you want to park a freekin' tank in your living room, then that is probably your right (although ATF might want to buy you a cup of coffee and chat). I have just never felt threatened. I did have my house broken into this summer, sort of. A drunk Army dude, on leave from Iraq, kicked in my front door. I used on him the same set of skills I use at work (when the mentally ill go psychotic on me). I talked. He listened. He went away. I called the cops the they took him off to jail. ... There was no need to shoot him in the face because he was in my house, extremely intoxicated, out of control, and very unpredictable. I used my skill set (brain and mouth) rather than brute force. And everyone won -- well, except for his charges of public intoxication and having his CO get a call from the local law enforcement. ... But hey, he was going back to Iraq after the end of his leave, so what would you suggest as a punishment? On 8/16/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thier primary target was music CDs and movie DVDs. Apparantly they can turn them into fast cash at pawn shops then they go buy their fix. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns the law
Seems like a reasonable strike, counter strike.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] handguns the law the raccoon threw a petrol bomb through the window, but then mitch called in an air strike and put an end to this nasty business On 8/17/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the raccoon's reaction was? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] handguns the law LarryT wrote: Curt said, simply jacking the chamber closed I've heard just that sound alone is so recognizable that 99% of criminals will turn and run if they hear it. The remaining 1% are quickly removed from the gene pool. I did this once: Heard a suspicious noise in the yard, sounded like a large destructive animal, probably human or raccoon. Opened a window, racked the 12ga, closed the window, went back to sleep. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law
yea, I almost always just shoot .38 specials in my .357 when target shooting. Its currently loaded up with .357 mag right now as its sitting under my bed. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns the law This is getting a little OT (unless you don't want to shoot the mercedes in the garage through the fireproof wall), but a .357 mag revolver can shoot a .38 special round, and a .44 mag can shoot a .44 special round. In addition, Glaser safety slugs (prefragmented bullets) work well in revolvers where you don't want to deal with overpenetration. If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind your target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 08:33:07AM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: true. If you hit somebody with a .357 or a .44 mag, and you live close to another house, or perhaps in an apartment, it could go right thru the guy, out the house, into the next house and hit somebody else. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not in Kansas anymore ....
Alex wrote: Nice place. You Midwest guys don't know how good you have it. That house on the West coast would sell for twice as much (maybe four times as much in SF or LA). Your realtor looks like a fine specimen, as well. ;) That is exactly why I went to law school in the Midwest and decided to practice in the Midwest. Housing is TONS cheaper here than almost anywhere in the country. A friend of mine sold his house (1 block away from me) and bought a brick english tudor similar to mine in Denver for $499,000. It only has a 1 car garage and the back yard is about six feet deep. It really is crazy how expensive it is to live other places. Now, I know the wages are also higher on the coast, but when you factor in the higher wages and much higher cost of living, I would prefer to live here. By the way, you are right my realtor is a fine specimen - even better looking in person. Why do you think we chose her? It never hurts to have a good looking woman when you are trying to sell something. BUT, her husband has even more guns then you all do. They live on 20 acres north of town and he can hunt from the back yard, so I don't think I will be making any moves. Oh yeah, plus MY WIFE wouldn't need a gun to kill me. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 139K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bullets
What goes up must come down... Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 2:43 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bullets Those shots in the air come down somewhere. Odds are a bullet will land safely, but if enough shots are fired over the years odds are one of them will hurt someone. What about all those rounds fired in the air by the citizens in Baghdad where it goes on all the time? RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts
I am waiting for Benz Friendz warehouse clearance sale to snag the 600 living there. Probably not the first person with that at the top of his list, but better me than the crusher. Heater control panel, $12000. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not in Kansas anymore ....
Dang, That is a nice house. Around seattle that would fetch at least $650k as long as the neighborhood was nice. I wonder if I should sell and move to the midwest and get a giant house instead of this tiny place I live clay On 17 Aug 2007, at 11:16, Donald Snook wrote: Bill R. wrote: Don - You are selling your car and your house ... did your wife lose her red slippers? Well, the car, as you know, has been for sale for a while. It is still for sale, but I have been doing much to get it sold. It drives great, runs great, still looks good and is comfortable. I let my autotrader ad expire and I have not done anything else to sell it. The reason the house is for sale is because of a mistake. We live in a really interesting neighborhood called College Hill. All of the houses are old. The trees are large and many of the streets are cobblestone. A lot of the houses have old carriage houses for garages and the houses all have lots of character. Some people would say that it is for the rich and snobby people. What they don't realize is that the neighborhood is not just for Rich people (because I am NOT rich - maybe once I get my damn student loans paid off I will be closer). The houses in the neighborhood range from $1.5 Million to less than $100,000. That is one thing that is very interesting about it. The $1.5 Million house is only 2 blocks east and 2 blocks south of my house. But, my house is only $160,000. at any rate, my wife and I were bored one Sunday afternoon and it was beautiful outside, so we decided to go for a drive. We noticed that a couple of houses in College Hill were having an Open House. So, we went and looked. Now, we didn't look at the $500,000 house that we couldn't afford, we looked at one that was actually pretty reasonable. We thought it was too expensive and therefore no danger in looking at it. That night we actually put pen to paper and determined that we could afford the house. In fact, between what we paid for the mortgage and the home equity loan - we were paying for a much nicer house. So, we talked to realtor and she told us how much we could get for our house. We took the plunge and put it on the market. In the interim we decided against the against the house that had originally inspired us to sell our house. We are still looking for our next house. Now, is not a good time to be selling the market is very slow. So, if it doesn't sell that is okay we love the house and we can wait until the market is better. The frustrating thing is we have had TONS of people looking at the house. We have had appointments almost everyday for the 40 days it has been on the market. But, despite all the activity it has not sold. Here is the listing for our house: http://www.wichitalistings.com/property/property.asp? PRM_MLSNumber=22135 2PRM_MlsName=wichitaKS# http://www.wichitalistings.com/property/property.asp? PRM_MLSNumber=2213 52PRM_MlsName=wichitaKS Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 139K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Shot where?
I will never be the same after reading that. Neither was the victim, and if the post had appeared on the R/E list, the sender would on his way to the camps right now. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bullets
Those shots in the air come down somewhere. Odds are a bullet will land safely, but if enough shots are fired over the years odds are one of them will hurt someone. What about all those rounds fired in the air by the citizens in Baghdad where it goes on all the time? RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not in Kansas anymore ....
We have a bunch of houses like that in Tulsa. That one probably sell for about 189 or so here. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not in Kansas anymore Dang, That is a nice house. Around seattle that would fetch at least $650k as long as the neighborhood was nice. I wonder if I should sell and move to the midwest and get a giant house instead of this tiny place I live clay On 17 Aug 2007, at 11:16, Donald Snook wrote: Bill R. wrote: Don - You are selling your car and your house ... did your wife lose her red slippers? Well, the car, as you know, has been for sale for a while. It is still for sale, but I have been doing much to get it sold. It drives great, runs great, still looks good and is comfortable. I let my autotrader ad expire and I have not done anything else to sell it. The reason the house is for sale is because of a mistake. We live in a really interesting neighborhood called College Hill. All of the houses are old. The trees are large and many of the streets are cobblestone. A lot of the houses have old carriage houses for garages and the houses all have lots of character. Some people would say that it is for the rich and snobby people. What they don't realize is that the neighborhood is not just for Rich people (because I am NOT rich - maybe once I get my damn student loans paid off I will be closer). The houses in the neighborhood range from $1.5 Million to less than $100,000. That is one thing that is very interesting about it. The $1.5 Million house is only 2 blocks east and 2 blocks south of my house. But, my house is only $160,000. at any rate, my wife and I were bored one Sunday afternoon and it was beautiful outside, so we decided to go for a drive. We noticed that a couple of houses in College Hill were having an Open House. So, we went and looked. Now, we didn't look at the $500,000 house that we couldn't afford, we looked at one that was actually pretty reasonable. We thought it was too expensive and therefore no danger in looking at it. That night we actually put pen to paper and determined that we could afford the house. In fact, between what we paid for the mortgage and the home equity loan - we were paying for a much nicer house. So, we talked to realtor and she told us how much we could get for our house. We took the plunge and put it on the market. In the interim we decided against the against the house that had originally inspired us to sell our house. We are still looking for our next house. Now, is not a good time to be selling the market is very slow. So, if it doesn't sell that is okay we love the house and we can wait until the market is better. The frustrating thing is we have had TONS of people looking at the house. We have had appointments almost everyday for the 40 days it has been on the market. But, despite all the activity it has not sold. Here is the listing for our house: http://www.wichitalistings.com/property/property.asp? PRM_MLSNumber=22135 2PRM_MlsName=wichitaKS# http://www.wichitalistings.com/property/property.asp? PRM_MLSNumber=2213 52PRM_MlsName=wichitaKS Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 139K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts
Totally Catheyized 600 with harbour freight ceramic heater, screw gun door closing mechanism, plexiglass windscreen, marine plywood veneer trim, rattle can paint. On 17 Aug 2007, at 12:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am waiting for Benz Friendz warehouse clearance sale to snag the 600 living there. Probably not the first person with that at the top of his list, but better me than the crusher. Heater control panel, $12000. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: handguns the law
Somehow I'm thinking if I'm awakened at 3am and have to defend myself I'm not going to pay a super load of attention to whats behind the intruder... Thats why I like the 20ga or even .410 with #6s, if I miss or if a few pellets get around the perp I'll just need to pick them out of the wall later. That said I do not currently have a firearm in the house although an inline muzzleloader is on the to buy list. The muzzleloading deer season here is quite long (when you included conventional deer season) and you can hunt in some otherwise prohibited places and the state of MA doesn't consider it a gun preventing my needing an FID. -Curt Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:09:52 -0700 From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is getting a little OT (unless you don't want to shoot the mercedes in the garage through the fireproof wall), but a .357 mag revolver can shoot a .38 special round, and a .44 mag can shoot a .44 special round. In addition, Glaser safety slugs (prefragmented bullets) work well in revolvers where you don't want to deal with overpenetration. If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind your target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 08:33:07AM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: true. If you hit somebody with a .357 or a .44 mag, and you live close to another house, or perhaps in an apartment, it could go right thru the guy, out the house, into the next house and hit somebody else. - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Name my Sprinter (was Re: I've gone and done it)
Why all the German names? How 'bout something a bit different Like: Slartybartfast Marvin Zaphod (from Hitchhikers guide) Or Nimrod Persephone Thor Orion Boreas Junior Elfin Picayune --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Handguns and the law
The Mythbusters decided that if you shot exactly straight up that the bullet wouldn't have enough velocity when it came back down to hurt you. That is decidedly NOT true if you shoot at any sort of angle other than straight up. -Curt Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:53:10 -0400 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A friend of mine was riding her bicycle on a country road [when we lived in IN] and she was hit in the leg by a bullet that dropped out of the sky. Didn't do serious damage except to her sense of safety outdoors. Took her a long time to get over it. Those shots in the air come down somewhere. Odds are a bullet will land safely, but if enough shots are fired over the years odds are one of them will hurt someone. I was working on the roof of a house I used to own and found a bullet embedded in the asphalt shingles, evidently had dropped out of the sky and stuck there at some point. Penetrated enough to stick, but did not go into the deck. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
Force is actually velocity squared times mass. The important factor is the bullets ability to transfer the energy though. A bullet that passes through the body is no good unless you hit something really vital. God this has gotten really gory hasn't it? But wait theres math, math makes things clinical... -Curt Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:04:57 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The 45 ACP may not live up to legend but there is no other handgun ball ammo round that will transfer as much energy into a target. The round was developed because its predecessor, the 38 caliber, did not have enough stopping power. Now the military uses 9 mm and most home defense guns are 9mm, which is awful close to the 38 caliber that the 45 ACP replaced. Remember, it's speed X mass. The other larger caliber rounds have the mass but they have so much speed that anything short of a hollow point will pass through, causing death and destruction beyond and I have issues with loading hollow points into a self defense gun. The 9mm with ball ammo has more speed but much less mass the ball ammo will also pass through with the same results. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Handguns and the law
The any angle shot is true because the bullet still carries some of it's foreword momentum. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:09 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Handguns and the law The Mythbusters decided that if you shot exactly straight up that the bullet wouldn't have enough velocity when it came back down to hurt you. That is decidedly NOT true if you shoot at any sort of angle other than straight up. -Curt Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:53:10 -0400 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A friend of mine was riding her bicycle on a country road [when we lived in IN] and she was hit in the leg by a bullet that dropped out of the sky. Didn't do serious damage except to her sense of safety outdoors. Took her a long time to get over it. Those shots in the air come down somewhere. Odds are a bullet will land safely, but if enough shots are fired over the years odds are one of them will hurt someone. I was working on the roof of a house I used to own and found a bullet embedded in the asphalt shingles, evidently had dropped out of the sky and stuck there at some point. Penetrated enough to stick, but did not go into the deck. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not in Kansas anymore ....
Holy cow yes. My house is half that size and $180,000 and we got a really good deal because I live 60 miles west of Boston. For ever 15 miles closer to the city you add $20,000. -Curt Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:42:55 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not in Kansas anymore To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 8/17/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.wichitalistings.com/property/property.asp?PRM_MLSNumber=221352PRM_MlsName=wichitaKS# Nice place. You Midwest guys don't know how good you have it. That house on the West coast would sell for twice as much (maybe four times as much in SF or LA). Your realtor looks like a fine specimen, as well. ;) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al - Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts
Why not just pry the name plate off someone else's 600 Duct tape it to your Pinto wagon? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts Totally Catheyized 600 with harbour freight ceramic heater, screw gun door closing mechanism, plexiglass windscreen, marine plywood veneer trim, rattle can paint. On 17 Aug 2007, at 12:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am waiting for Benz Friendz warehouse clearance sale to snag the 600 living there. Probably not the first person with that at the top of his list, but better me than the crusher. Heater control panel, $12000. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not in Kansas anymore ....
Been there, done that - and made a killing when we sold ... but that market is gone for awhile. Good luck with both sales. I just hope my suit doesn't actually go until next year. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 2:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not in Kansas anymore Bill R. wrote: Don - You are selling your car and your house ... did your wife lose her red slippers? Well, the car, as you know, has been for sale for a while. It is still for sale, but I have been doing much to get it sold. It drives great, runs great, still looks good and is comfortable. I let my autotrader ad expire and I have not done anything else to sell it. The reason the house is for sale is because of a mistake. We live in a really interesting neighborhood called College Hill. All of the houses are old. The trees are large and many of the streets are cobblestone. A lot of the houses have old carriage houses for garages and the houses all have lots of character. Some people would say that it is for the rich and snobby people. What they don't realize is that the neighborhood is not just for Rich people (because I am NOT rich - maybe once I get my damn student loans paid off I will be closer). The houses in the neighborhood range from $1.5 Million to less than $100,000. That is one thing that is very interesting about it. The $1.5 Million house is only 2 blocks east and 2 blocks south of my house. But, my house is only $160,000. at any rate, my wife and I were bored one Sunday afternoon and it was beautiful outside, so we decided to go for a drive. We noticed that a couple of houses in College Hill were having an Open House. So, we went and looked. Now, we didn't look at the $500,000 house that we couldn't afford, we looked at one that was actually pretty reasonable. We thought it was too expensive and therefore no danger in looking at it. That night we actually put pen to paper and determined that we could afford the house. In fact, between what we paid for the mortgage and the home equity loan - we were paying for a much nicer house. So, we talked to realtor and she told us how much we could get for our house. We took the plunge and put it on the market. In the interim we decided against the against the house that had originally inspired us to sell our house. We are still looking for our next house. Now, is not a good time to be selling the market is very slow. So, if it doesn't sell that is okay we love the house and we can wait until the market is better. The frustrating thing is we have had TONS of people looking at the house. We have had appointments almost everyday for the 40 days it has been on the market. But, despite all the activity it has not sold. Here is the listing for our house: http://www.wichitalistings.com/property/property.asp?PRM_MLSNumber=22135 2PRM_MlsName=wichitaKS# http://www.wichitalistings.com/property/property.asp?PRM_MLSNumber=2213 52PRM_MlsName=wichitaKS Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 139K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not in Kansas anymore ....
I was thinking the same thing but then I remembered, I've been to the midwest twice and HATED it both times. I spent 1 day in Minneapolis and with the exception of a really good dinner at a Cuban (of all places) restaurant it was the one of the most depressing places I've ever been. Granted mid-March is a depressing time. I spent 2 days in Indy and nearly every person I met annoyed me. Why do people insist on calling me hon I nearly strangled a waitress, well that and she just wouldn't shut up. I'd been working for 20 some hours and just wanted food and sleep. For some reason she decided I wanted her life story. In New England people know when to leave you alone. Especially when you say things like thats nice but I'd really prefer you leave me alone for a bit. Yeah I'm a yankee through and through, this is where I belong. One time right after MA decided gay marriage was okay I was reading a tractor themed discussion forum and somebody asked What the hell are people in MA doing? and I replied Whatever the hell we want and its none of your dammed business. Which pretty much sums it up I think. -Curt Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:31:30 -0700 From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not in Kansas anymore To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dang, That is a nice house. Around seattle that would fetch at least $650k as long as the neighborhood was nice. I wonder if I should sell and move to the midwest and get a giant house instead of this tiny place I live clay - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
Why not just pry the name plate off someone else's 600 Duct tape it to your Pinto wagon? Chrysler did that with a K-car. Same MB font on the back. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts
Need to have the VIN, just to prove it once was a real 600. Then, when I am ready to sell, I can get top dollar from the guy with money to burn to turn it back into a car from a rolling turd clay On 17 Aug 2007, at 13:22, Tom Hargrave wrote: Why not just pry the name plate off someone else's 600 Duct tape it to your Pinto wagon? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts Totally Catheyized 600 with harbour freight ceramic heater, screw gun door closing mechanism, plexiglass windscreen, marine plywood veneer trim, rattle can paint. On 17 Aug 2007, at 12:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am waiting for Benz Friendz warehouse clearance sale to snag the 600 living there. Probably not the first person with that at the top of his list, but better me than the crusher. Heater control panel, $12000. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
