date:20070818



Redghost wrote:
 JUST REPLACE IT.  Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you can
 squeeze a few thousand more miles out.   I had an acura that said to
 change the belt at 90k.  It was not joking.  I made it to 91,231
 before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the
 top end.  Valves slapped all over the place.  Should have just gone
 in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k

I would never let one go more than five years in an interference engine.
Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no guarantee,
but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it
breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 Escort
at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a 1.9L so
all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This  car went about 150 miles a
day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother when
she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again so
I'm guessing a defective belt. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter



Hendrik wrote:
 
 How much are axle stands these days? Not bloody much when compared to
 the cost of your medical system over there.

Halfway decent Chinese 4 leg stands with ratchet height adjusters are
about $25-35US with a cheap hydraulic floor jack included. (but you will
probably want to chock the wheels, lift with the factory jack, and put
the stand under the rubber jack point)

If you have any of the 1970's style with a three legged 5 wide base,
and height adjustment by sticking a 3/8 pin in a hole, scrap them
and get something better.

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Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns the law the freakswholove guns



Wonko the Sane wrote:
 
 My only serious comment in this discussion. I haveguns by proxy, and they
 are in the possession of our town's law enforcement officers.

I would never rely upon others that way. Especially since the courts have
ruled time and time again that the police are NOT there to protect us.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] My new wheels



Rich Thomas wrote: 
 http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/08/buggyrollin.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890

What language is he speaking, French?
At the end of the video, you can click on others. I just had to
watch Rollerman vs Motobike. I was thinking the bike (600cc sport
bike) would cream him. It can go faster in a straight line than
Rollerman would go if you dropped him from a plane, and it should
be able to corner harder than he can, with a huge advantage in
braking and acceleration. What did I see? The two of them running
more or less together, with the bike hardly leaning in the corners.
All he had to do is twist the throttle, lean his bike over until
something solid was close to touching the ground, and he would have
left Rollerman in his dust. 

I remember reading something similar. This guy had invented the
'road luge', which was the smallest possible way of supporting
a human on four racing kart wheels. The road luge should be
capable of braking and cornering well over 1G. The inventor
claimed that he raced a Corvette down a mountain and won.
With the advantage of being very narrow and being able to
pull more lateral Gs than the car, I can believe that one.
I can't believe that Rollerman could beat a competent rider
on a 600cc 'crotch rocket'.

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Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns the law the freakswholoveguns

Police do not protect us.

Police come after the fact.

After the crime.

After the shooting.

After you have been robbed.

After you've been shot.

After..

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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freakswholoveguns



Wonko the Sane wrote:
 
 My only serious comment in this discussion. I haveguns by proxy, and they
 are in the possession of our town's law enforcement officers.

I would never rely upon others that way. Especially since the courts have
ruled time and time again that the police are NOT there to protect us.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics

If the regulator tested out OK, don't replace it. 
Sounds like you may just need some new brushes and
that's it.  If there are springs involved with the
brushes and you can replace them, do that, too.

You can test the stator for continuity and grounds,
too - might want to do that while you're at it.  You
may have a bad stator winding.

Dan



--- Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My Honda CB900f quit charging the battery. Thank
 goodness for a volt meter or I could have found
 myself out of luck somewhere...
 Anyway my Haynes book has a pretty good proceedure
 for testing the rectifier/regulator which seems to
 test out good (very high resistance one way, very
 low the other). So I opened up the stator and find
 the brushes one of which seems very worn. With luck
 I'll head to the hardware store tomorrow and find a
 perfect replacement that'll fix everything.
 Otherwise I guess I'll order a new stator.
 It's been suggested by somebody I somewhat trust
 (he's got a really nice shop and seems to know what
 he's talking about, and he's not trying to sell me
 anything) that I replace the rectifier/regulator at
 the same time.
 Together they're about $250, the stator is $93 I
 think alone.
 I'm thinking that the rectifier/regulator is easy
 enough to replace I might wait but then I'm a bit
 paranoid that if the 25 year old diodes give up the
 ghost it might fry the new stator.
 
 Anybody have any thoughts?
 
 Thanks
 
 -Curt
 

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Re: [MBZ] Not in Kansas anymore ....

I lived in South San Francisco and Half Moon Bay in
96/97.  Unless you've got a boatload of money, don't
bother.

That being said, I did enjoy living in the Bay Area,
and wish I would have been there longer so I could
have explored it to the extent I wanted to.

The traffic could suck at times, but I was lucky in
that I lived about 5 minutes from my office.  A bad
commute for me was hitting all 5 lights on the way.

I had a customer in Boise and always enjoyed visiting
there.  Nice city, just the right size, and living
costs were reasonable.

I'm all up for the Reno/Carson City area, and I
continue to work hard at ending up there in the next
few years.  I hope.  Anything to get the heck out of
Florida...

Dan




--- Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I had an offer in Idaho once and seriously
 considered it Boisie is a nice town.
 I might consider the bay area too but it'd have to
 be a big money job, thats a seriously expensive
 place to live.
 Might consider a short term (6mo-1year) assignment
 in LA but I surely wouldn't live there long term.
 
 Eventually I'd like to go back to northern Maine.
 Maybe work at the University in Presque Isle or Fort
 Kent. That area is in my blood.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:47:43 -0700 (PDT)
 From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not in  Kansas anymore 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
 Having been born and raised in the Midwest, I can
 say
 that without living there it's tough to grasp the
 attraction.  Suffice to say there is a quality of
 life component that can't be explained, only
 experienced.
 
 I would consider going back to Wisconsin, but other
 than that if I ever move it's going to be out west
 somewhere.
 
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[MBZ] Pinto Deja Vu

Here I go mentioning a Pinto Wagon in one of my posts this week. And
then today, I drive over to Walley World and park beside one. There
really is one left and someone is actually driving it!

Maybe I should mention a Ferrari Testerossa.

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[MBZ] tick, tick, tick, very fast under the hood?

2007-08-18 Thread Harry Watkins

1986 300 SDL.  Its coming from right behind the IP.  I think its to do with
the cruise control but moving the lever doesn't change anything.  Anyone had
this happen?  Any clues?

Harry
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[MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics


Mike you get the award for explaining to me what the brushes actually do, 
thanks!

The thing to remember when it comes to stator failure is that it lives on one 
end of the crankshaft on an air cooled engine that has no fan.
This is an engine that redlines at 9,000 rpm. In otherwords it is subjected to 
fairly extreme heat. In discussing this with guys at the snowmobile shop stator 
failures are fairly common. Apparently the heat breaks 'em down and they short 
internally.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:51:45 -0400
From: Michael C Boerner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] Subject:  OT: Motorcycle electrics
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Curt,
Never seen the alternator on a motorcycle, but a stator should be a
 stator.
It's just a stationary winding, connected to the battery (via a
rectifier/diode in your case), that has current induced in it by the
magnetic field produced by the energized (via brushes) rotor.  Bad,
 short,
worn, shorted, burnt or disconnected (from battery power) brushes mean
 that
no energy gets to the rotor, which is then unable to induce current in
 the
stator windings to charge the battery.  Replacing brushes should fix
 it,
unless you've fried, shorted or damaged the stator windings.  I'd start
 with
brushes.  If that doesn't get it, you need better troubleshooting
 procedures
and understanding of the charging system (alternator/generator/magneto)
before throwing money at the problem.  I'm sure a stator somewhere,
sometime, has gone open, and that one has also shorted out, but I'm
 pretty
sure either of those failures is a rarity.  Brushes and bearings wear
 out,
diodes fail (making some noise), and regulators burn up, but rotor and
stator windings take some serious effort and abuse to kill.  Good luck

Mike Boerner
87 300d 140k
87 300sdl 130k

   
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Noise

Thx Jim  --
Good suggestion ;-)  but my exhaust is new, from front downpipe to bumper.

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 In a message dated 8/17/2007 11:00:53 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 A  few weeks ago I asked about a fan like noise I hear from the drivers
 seat  side only.  It doesn;t start until 25-30mph and is like a large fan.
 Not a rough, rumbling or gritty noise - very smooth as if there were a
 turbine under the hood.  (I wish!)



 I am betting it is a hole in the top of the muffler..You will likely see
 some heating in the trunk, under the mat.  But feel carefully with a thick 
 glove


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Noise

Hi Tom,
Hmmm could be - that would explain why I don;t see anything when parked. 
I wonder if I  would be able to see wnything if I looked at the 
arter?     trying to remember what it looks like - its been a while 
since I had the starter out -

The noise is like a piece of hard fabric is pressing against a wheel or 
tire - the noise seem to be synchronized with the speed of the car and not 
the speed of the engine or tranny.

Yeah, the starter sounds like a possibility - did your give any trouble 
before dieing completely ??

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 Larry my starter did that before it went bad.  The coil would stay on 
 while
 I drove and mad a fan like noise.  Could be starter?/Tom
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 Subject: [MBZ] 240D Noise


 Howdy,
A few weeks ago I asked about a fan like noise I hear from the drivers
 seat side only.  It doesn;t start until 25-30mph and is like a large fan.
 Not a rough, rumbling or gritty noise - very smooth as if there were a
 turbine under the hood.  (I wish!)

Anyway, suggested possibilities were the wheel bearings, and
 driveshaft.
 I check both without finding a problem,
I didn't take then apart, but under braking the cars stops straight
 with
 hands off the s wheel - no heat from the wheel bearing caps - well, not
 none, but equal heat.

So, should I repack the front wheel bearings in case that's the
 problem?
 Also, when the rear w.brgs fail what are the symptoms?

The d-shaft is tight and turns smooth by hand.

 The T-Converter doesn't fail does it?  Being hydraulic I would think they
 last forever.
 Thx
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Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1

2007-08-18 Thread Marshall Booth

Luther wrote:
 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40
 
 On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:45:24 -0500, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 What weight of Mobil 1 should I use in my 240D?

While Mobil 1 5W-40 Turbodiesel Truck, 5W-40 ESP Formula M, 5W-40 and 
0W-40 are Mercedes approved, consumption may be a bit high in an OM61x 
engined car. I would recommend M-1 15W-50 even in winter in the northern 
US.

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Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns the law the freakswholove guns

wonko wrote:there is normally less than 90 seconds between a 911 call on
the radio to the officers being on-scene

That's STILL after you've been stabbed, robbed,  raped or beaten. And in a 
situation like that, 90 sec can be a lifetime.

But if it gives you a feeling of security to know a officer will arrive 
quickly *after* you have recovered (if you recover) from whatever injury a 
criminal decided you deserve, great and were able to crawl to the phone and 
dial 911, sounds ideal.  The officers will arrive, fill out some forms, ask 
lots of questions and say 1 of 2 things: we'll start looking for the guy, 
or - he's long gone and we have better things to do than chase shadows, 
forget about it if you can and pray it doesn't happen again.

As far as moving - not everyone has that ability.  Some people are too old 
or are unwilling/unable to relocate - some people have limited resources, 
etc.  Also, there's no guarantee they'll move to a safer place.  Perhaps a 
few hundred thousand people could move to your small town?

Your suggestion about practicing gun safety is a excellent suggestion.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns  the law  the freakswholove 
guns


 My only serious comment in this discussion. I haveguns by proxy, and they
 are in the possession of our town's law enforcement officers. Some, such 
 as
 Kleb, live where it might take law enforcement a hour to respond (he lives
 way out in the sticks). For me, and this is not a guess but from
 observation, there is normally less than 90 seconds between a 911 call on
 the radio to the officers being on-scene. (I have a scanner because of my
 job.)

 I live in a small town. At full throttle, the cops could go from end to 
 end
 in about five minutes. I feel protected. We have very few drug crazed
 crazies out wandering the neighborhood -- in fact, 99% of them are on my
 case load at work!

 For those of you who feel you must pack heat to get thru the day, I have 
 but
 two things to say:

 1. Practice gun safety.

 2. Freekin' move! Whatever it is you do for a living, you can do it in a
 safer environment.

 D.


 On 8/17/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, I'm also one of those people with guns, and I'm perfectly willing 
 to
 use them, under very very very limited circumstances.  But, this topic 
 has
 run its course, and isn't productive or insightful.

 On 8/17/07, Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  You wanna be careful, remember these are people with guns we are
  stirring up. I am pretty safe cause these days getting a shooter on a
  plane is way hard and unless I stirred them up so much that they are
  gonna row across the pond, I should be safe. You however may live next
  door to one of our dear
  Imgoonashootanyonewhocomesthroughthatdoorevenifitismydrunkson aka shoot
  first think later type of listers.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns the law the freaks wholove guns

Seeing all the post from non-gunners it seems they are fixated on the P word 
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wholove guns


I disagree, Kevin. We've had complaints about extended oil threads,
 political threads, etc. ... And last time I checked, penis was a valid
 dictionary word.

 But perhaps I am going off half-cocked.

 As for the bigger your gun the smaller your penis thing -- sort of
 parallels the guys who buy an Hummer.

 But then again, I own a 240D.

 On 8/17/07, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's one thing to say this is OT, can we take it elsewhere. It's
 entirely another to take an intolerant cheap shot. All that does is
 spawn animosity, and keep a bitter debate going.

 Not to mention, the mere mention of a certain five letter word you used
 (regardless of the size, shape, texture, effectiveness, or whatnot)
 would have got you poofed by Mr. Hankie on the other list.

 On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:28:07AM +0930, Hendrik wrote:
  I don't suppose you could set up a separate list so us non gun freaks
  don't have to listen to you lot discuss which handgun kills better.
  Perhaps you could call it the
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Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:43:25 -0400 Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Blew head gasket in January at about 80Kmi.  I went to dealer with
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 head!  I groaned, he told me that he'd guarantee it until I junked the
 car.  We drove it to about 200Kmi, no problem.

Ok, how in the world did they do that?


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Re: [MBZ] handguns the law

I know you might not want to kill it, but have you see the commercials for 
the air rifle made by Gamo?   They show it dropping raccons, possums , 
squirrels and other similar sized varmits.  Just a quiet phhhttt !(like 
a silenced .22)  and the animal dropped like a rock.

Pellet guns have changed since I was a kid -
;-)

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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] handguns  the law


 There is a solution - Bang.

 Tom
 www.kegkits.com

 I live inside of city limits so I use CB caps (.22 short?) and they WILL
 drop a woodchuck. They are sub-sonic I believe and make little noise. I
 don't need the constable snooping around because of the sound of gun fire.

 Rick Knoble
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Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:54:56 -0400 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 (but you will probably want to chock the wheels, lift with the factory
 jack, and put the stand under the rubber jack point)

Rubber jack point?


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Re: [MBZ] handguns the law

I considered buying one of these to shoot neighborhood squrrels (they
taste good) but I figured that it would not go well with the neighbors.

Tom
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] handguns  the law
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I know you might not want to kill it, but have you see the commercials
for 
the air rifle made by Gamo?   They show it dropping raccons, possums , 
squirrels and other similar sized varmits.  Just a quiet phhhttt
!(like 
a silenced .22)  and the animal dropped like a rock.

Pellet guns have changed since I was a kid -
;-)

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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] handguns  the law


 There is a solution - Bang.

 Tom
 www.kegkits.com

 I live inside of city limits so I use CB caps (.22 short?) and they
WILL
 drop a woodchuck. They are sub-sonic I believe and make little noise.
I
 don't need the constable snooping around because of the sound of gun
fire.

 Rick Knoble
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Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns the law the freakswholove guns

I think the
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Seeing all the post from non-gunners it seems they are fixated on the P
word 
for some reason -

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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns  the law  the freaks 
wholove guns


I disagree, Kevin. We've had complaints about extended oil threads,
 political threads, etc. ... And last time I checked, penis was a
valid
 dictionary word.

 But perhaps I am going off half-cocked.

 As for the bigger your gun the smaller your penis thing -- sort of
 parallels the guys who buy an Hummer.

 But then again, I own a 240D.

 On 8/17/07, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's one thing to say this is OT, can we take it elsewhere. It's
 entirely another to take an intolerant cheap shot. All that does is
 spawn animosity, and keep a bitter debate going.

 Not to mention, the mere mention of a certain five letter word you
used
 (regardless of the size, shape, texture, effectiveness, or whatnot)
 would have got you poofed by Mr. Hankie on the other list.

 On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:28:07AM +0930, Hendrik wrote:
  I don't suppose you could set up a separate list so us non gun
freaks
  don't have to listen to you lot discuss which handgun kills better.
  Perhaps you could call it the
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Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600

2007-08-18 Thread tom savage

Gary Hurst wrote:
 the 600 looks like a mini 126 sec.  i drove one of those around forever.
 crappy car, but simple and sound.

My first car was an '88 Dodge 600SE 2.2L turbo.  As a car it was indeed 
pretty crappy, but as transportation, it was comfortable, reasonably 
sprightly, and drop dead reliable.  A surprisingly unrusted midwestern 
car, it met it's end on October 11, 1996 at the hands of an errant Chevy 
Blazer in rural Mississippi.

Having grown up with K-Cars and their minivan variants, I think they're 
great pieces of Reagan-era Americana, underappreciated and now sadly 
forgotten.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] handguns the law WOT - This ost is about guns - delete it if you don't want to read it.

Hi Tom,
You saidsome of the population is afraid of  handguns themselves.

I blame it on the education system which is overwhelmingly liberal democrats 
who have created a huge anti-gun/anti-self protection agenda that wants 
everyone to depend on the govt for everything - even personal safety. 
Instead of teaching math and how to make aliving someday the students are 
told to become activists and assigned to write congress and ask that all 
guns be taken away.

The gun debate has been taken into the 1st grade and 6 year olds are being 
told a gun is a monster - not the criminal behind it.

Funny, my daughter in law felt that guns should be not allowed in her home - 
and made my son bring his Glock to store at my house (I know, -sigh- he 
wimped out).  But when her next door neighbor was raped and robbed  her 
children threatened and traumatized by what happened to their mother one 
evening she changed her mind.  The next day my son was back for his Glock.

But I hate to think that people need to be hurt to understand you cannot 
depend on others for your personal safety.

Your experiment proves how incredibly absurd some people feel about guns. 
Remember when we used to play with cap guns?  They're almost impossible to 
find.  So many parents are afraid for their kids to even *see* a gun or hear 
the word!  They have been made to fear an inanimate object rather than the 
criminal holding the weapon which somehow deserves understanding.

Schools no longer teach the history of American Revolution when *guns* were 
used to rectify a terrible situation.  It was more than taxation w/o 
representation - it was horrendous oppression.   The media also never 
mention that guns are used between 300k and 2mm times a year to stop or 
prevent crimes - often the mere sight of a firearm makes criminals go 
elsewhere.   I wonder how many non-gun owners would consider putting a large 
sign on their lawn saying,
No Guns in this Home - we dial 911! rather that taking advantage of the 
gun owners by using the possibility their home is armed.

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- Original Message - 
From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns 
 the law


 Larry,

 I understand non gun people. I have several friends who ask me to never
 bring handguns out around them or their children because handguns terrify
 them.

 I even did an experiment once - I placed an unloaded 45 ACP on my coffee
 table in anticipation of a friend stopping over. He was absolutely 
 terrified
 when he saw the handgun. I even showed that it was unloaded  offered to
 hand him the handgun butt first and he backed up in terror.

 My friend proved to me that at least some of the population is afraid of
 handguns themselves. Odd thing is that I've not yet heard of a handgun
[SNIP] 


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Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600

Probably the same way they do it on the 103/104.

Craig McCluskey wrote:
 On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:43:25 -0400 Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 Blew head gasket in January at about 80Kmi.  I went to dealer with
 antifreeze dripping from tailpipe.  He calls me back next afternoon,
 the car is ready!  They swapped head gasket with out removing the
 head!  I groaned, he told me that he'd guarantee it until I junked the
 car.  We drove it to about 200Kmi, no problem.
 
 Ok, how in the world did they do that?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns the law the freaks wholove guns

2007-08-18 Thread Wonko the Sane

Kaleb is simply perpetuating the John Wayne image. Nothing wrong with that.
It is simply American Patriot stuff. We won our country from the Brits and
we shall arm ourselves so they can't ever take it back. By the way, we don't
drink tea anymore so up-yours with your tea tax.

You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hand.
Take my wife, please.

Attached is a pic of the last OkieQ.

On 8/17/07, Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

But are we allowed to discuss the p thingy and the various sizes thereof?
Another related question, do they make genuine gun racks for Mercs. I
reckon that would be way cool a T with a gun rack.
I have noticed that the gloveboxes on Mercs seem to be too small to hold
a real handgun, what is the solution there?
However the sunroofs are a nice size and just the go for that drive by
shooting or hunting in the national park.

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I have no intention of setting up another list. Everytime there is a
long off topic thread come up, somebody gripes about it. It has been
mentioned many times that off topic is just fine. It would get rather
boring talking only about Mercedes all the time. Hit delete if you do
not want to follow the thread.

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Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law

Excellent post!!
;-)
As one CCW holder to another!   I wish the anti-gunners would see the logic 
in your post - but they do not operate on logic - which is obvious when 
their argument consists of talking about Penis' for the most part.  I guess 
when you cannot debate a subject with logic you resort to name calling.

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- Original Message - 
From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns 
 the law


 an interesting thing about the knife in a gunfight is a study that was 
 done
 regarding the ability of police to respond to a knife wielding perp 
 charging
 them from 21 feet (the distance that is the outside of acceptable shooting
 range against a perp not armed with a firearm).  who has the advantage?
 obviously, it's a trick question.  turns out to be a 50/50 proposition.
 half the cops could draw and shoot before being stabbed by the charging
 knife attacker and half could not.  seems the old bowie knife in the right
 hands is more dangerous than most of you could imagine.

 CCW holders are not gun yahoos looking for fast draw at high noon.  to my
 mind, being armed is a matter of accepting responsibility for the safety 
 of
 yourself and others.  there will be no columbine or va tech around me. 
 you
 will not rob the store i am shopping in.  etc.
 here in georgia, we don't have any of this va tech or dc sniper nonsense.
 if some nutter takes out a firearm and starts firing at passing cars,
 someone just shoots him.  go into a diner in rural georgia waving a pistol
 and making threats and demands -- your life expectancy would be about 8
 seconds at that moment.

 it is my personal belief that any man who does not carry a gun is 
 absolutely
 shirking his civic responsibilities.  the welfare/nanny state and its
 supporters obviously have a far different view.

 On 8/16/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tom wrote:if he was only
  carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid

 Hi Tom,
 There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight.  ;-)
 There's also a saying about dead people not sueing.

 On a more serious note -  even though we talk lightly about this stuff,
 non-gun people should understand how incredibly serious we take the
 responsibility of carrying a CW or using a gun to protect ourselves and
 possible hurt or kill someone.  It's not something we take lightly.  We
 don't look for an opportunity to shoot someone and typically we will back
 down until there's no place to go - or another person is in danger.  None
 of
 us is looking for a gunfight or will pull a gun in an argument over a
 parking space.

 Don;t want anyone to get the wrong idea.

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 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:46 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns 
 
 the law


  Unfortunately, I'm from a state (NY) where you can be convicted of
  manslaughter for shooting someone in your own house. In NY State, if 
  you
  kill someone in your home and you had a path of escape (back door, 
  etc.)
  or
  if you kill an invader with a handgun  he only had a knife then you
 will
  be
  prosecuted  will likely be found guilty.
 
  Fortunately, I now live in a state (Alabama) that believes you have the
  right to PROTECT YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY and if need be, can shoot an
  invader. And if he happens to die from a gaping 45 ACP wound, it's
  considered a result of his own actions and HIS FAULT. And if he was 
  only
  carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid, but
 still
  dead. The police report usually states no charges filed  everything
 is
  dropped.
 
  Thanks,
  Tom Hargrave
  www.kegkits.com
  256-656-1924
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Redghost
  Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:25 PM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
 
  One should also make sure the perp falls into the house.  Even if you
  have to help him in once he is limp.  Makes for a better defense.
 
  clay
 
  On 13 Aug 2007, at 15:15, Donald Snook wrote:
 
  Clay wrote:
 
 
 
  This needs to be on the quotes page with Mr. Snook Esq. tag line.
 
  Advice for client's of his?
 
 
 
  Actually, I got that advice from someone

Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law

Tom - you wrote:creep down the hall, naked, with a loaded handgun  - I 
assume you're going for creating a shocked, surprised, laughing 
hysterically, burglar who'll fall down from laughing so hard as he runs 
away?   ;-)

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To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com; 'Mercedes 
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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns 
 the law


 Gary,

 What you are eluding to in the knife verses handgun is reaction time.
 It's the same with knives, handguns, Tia Kwon Do and baseball bats. Your
 only chance is to get the drop on the bad guy. This is why I've been
 noted to creep down the hall, naked, with a loaded handgun. If the shock
 don't give me the edge at least my Wife does not have to throw away a
 shirt because it has a bullet hole in it.

 Also, I 100% agree with you in regards to civic duty.

 Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600

and just dead easy to work on.  i could change the oil and filter in a few
minutes without jacking up the car.  i changed a radiator out in under an
hour.  the only job that i ever found at all difficult was the water pump.
parts were also cheap and plentiful.  somehow the MAP sensor would fail
every year or two, but they were 50 bucks and a couple of minutes to
install, so i just carried one in the glove box.

you remember how the dash board would blink out fault codes?

On 8/18/07, tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Gary Hurst wrote:
  the 600 looks like a mini 126 sec.  i drove one of those around forever.
  crappy car, but simple and sound.

 My first car was an '88 Dodge 600SE 2.2L turbo.  As a car it was indeed
 pretty crappy, but as transportation, it was comfortable, reasonably
 sprightly, and drop dead reliable.  A surprisingly unrusted midwestern
 car, it met it's end on October 11, 1996 at the hands of an errant Chevy
 Blazer in rural Mississippi.

 Having grown up with K-Cars and their minivan variants, I think they're
 great pieces of Reagan-era Americana, underappreciated and now sadly
 forgotten.

 Tom

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Re: [MBZ] 600 parts

2007-08-18 Thread tom savage

Redghost wrote:
 Need to have the VIN, just to prove it once was a real 600.  

I dunno. If you're going to go knockoff, do it right.  And North Korea 
is an expert on Doing Things The Right Way: 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/c/c6/Pjöngjang410.JPG

The Pyongyang 4.10.  I think I'd even prefer one of these to a Chaika 
GAZ M13 (Soviet '55 Packard Patrician).

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600

I just loved those cars (especially the new yorker) that had the 
electronic dash, and the electronic voice thing.  In fact, I had one of 
those maybe 7 years ago or so. Bought it with a bad turbo and ordered a 
new one from rusty.  Think I might find another one just for the hell of 
it sometime.

Gary Hurst wrote:
 and just dead easy to work on.  i could change the oil and filter in a few
 minutes without jacking up the car.  i changed a radiator out in under an
 hour.  the only job that i ever found at all difficult was the water pump.
 parts were also cheap and plentiful.  somehow the MAP sensor would fail
 every year or two, but they were 50 bucks and a couple of minutes to
 install, so i just carried one in the glove box.
 
 you remember how the dash board would blink out fault codes?
 
 On 8/18/07, tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gary Hurst wrote:
 the 600 looks like a mini 126 sec.  i drove one of those around forever.
 crappy car, but simple and sound.
 My first car was an '88 Dodge 600SE 2.2L turbo.  As a car it was indeed
 pretty crappy, but as transportation, it was comfortable, reasonably
 sprightly, and drop dead reliable.  A surprisingly unrusted midwestern
 car, it met it's end on October 11, 1996 at the hands of an errant Chevy
 Blazer in rural Mississippi.

 Having grown up with K-Cars and their minivan variants, I think they're
 great pieces of Reagan-era Americana, underappreciated and now sadly
 forgotten.

 Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law

Yep, and if that doesn't work, then Bang, and if he's still moving
then Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Click, Click, Click,.

Tom
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now
handguns  the law
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Tom - you wrote:creep down the hall, naked, with a loaded handgun  -
I 
assume you're going for creating a shocked, surprised, laughing 
hysterically, burglar who'll fall down from laughing so hard as he runs 
away?   ;-)

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Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now
handguns 
 the law

 Gary,

 What you are eluding to in the knife verses handgun is reaction time.
 It's the same with knives, handguns, Tia Kwon Do and baseball bats.
Your
 only chance is to get the drop on the bad guy. This is why I've been
 noted to creep down the hall, naked, with a loaded handgun. If the
shock
 don't give me the edge at least my Wife does not have to throw away a
 shirt because it has a bullet hole in it.

 Also, I 100% agree with you in regards to civic duty.

 Tom
 www.kegkits.com

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Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law

You wrote:discovered those things are not so easy
to shoot accurately as TV shows might suggest\\

Perhaps the greatest source of incorrect information about guns is TV and 
movies - 99% of what they show about guns is wrong to some degree.  before 
she took the CCW course, my wife used to wonder, why dont they shoot the 
bad guy in the leg?  once whe tried to hit the 3'x3' paper target from 25' 
with a handgun,  she understood.  It's never as easy as it looks on TV. 
Just *hitting* the bad guy takes some talent.  Shooting for an arm or leg is 
laughable. Now she knows.  But millions are just as ill informed.

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- Original Message - 
From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns 
 the law


 Good addition to the discussion.  I have never owned a gun, though mom and
 dad had a 22 rifle and pistol in the house and we had to take training on
 the rifle when I was a kid [they always thought the pistol was safely 
 tucked
 away, but I used that one more than the rifle.  I am considering buying 
 one
 now, not for self protection, but sport.  I have a few sets of throwing
 knives that I enjoy, but am getting to the point that I don't have enough
 cool weather for months here to throw them - easy to get out of practice. 
 I
 am thinking about getting a pistol just to see if I could get any
 proficiency with it.  My son bought a handgun when he was away from home 
 for
 several tours with the USAF and didn't live in an area where he felt his
 wife was safe alone.  He made sure she was trained on it [she was also
 military].  We went to a range and I discovered those things are not so 
 easy
 to shoot accurately as TV shows might suggest.  Might be fun to try.  With
 FL law I could probably carry it, but I wouldn't.  It would be locked in a
 lockbox until I got to the range.
 BillR
 Jacksonville FL

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
 Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:51 PM
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now
 handguns  the law

 At the risk of being laughed at, I must again repeat my mantra that I 
 spent
 almost half of my five-plus decades in urban areas and have never found
 myself in a situation where I'd have drawn a weapon if I'd have been
 carrying one. Closest I've come to that was when I was being teased by a
 street mime in NYC. He deserved to be shot not only for making fun of me 
 (I
 was chewing gum) but because he was a mime.

 The only time I've armed myself was when I was stationed on Governors 
 Island
 (NYC). If you arrived for the ferry boat after 11:00 pm, you had to wait a
 half hour instead of a quarter hour between ferry boats, parked just south
 of Wall Street. ... I kept a stout piece of oak and a hunting knife tucked
 under the driver's seat of my MBG, and that was only because I was sitting
 rather exposed (but with pants on) in a small convertible. My experience
 was that if approached by someone menacing, one had only to say f-off 
 and
 the guy went away. It is only when one shows fear that one becomes a 
 victim.

 I've shot weapons -- 45 handgun and 9 mm handgun and M-16 (all
 military-training related). This was done solely as part of my training:
 trying to hit the middle of the paper and earn a pretty blue ribbon w/
 expert E on it. I've owned guns -- all inherited, none ever purchased --
 and gladly left every one behind when I departed marriage #1.

 Now, if you feel more secure with a 9 mm tucked into your pants, then I
 guess that is your right. Personally, I'd be more afraid of shooting a
 testicle off during a sudden frenzy of scratching than I'd be of needing 
 to
 get into a firefight over my lunch break.

 Let us stand for our closing prayer.



 On 8/16/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hi Tom,
 There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight.  ;-)
 There's also a saying about dead people not sueing.




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Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law

knutson has an old spanish double barrel 10 gauge.  he figured it would be
interesting to find out what it would be like to fire both shells at the
same time.  he describes the bruising as considerable.

On 8/17/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Back in the 1950s my father-in-law let me shoot a ten gauge that had been
 his fathers.  I shot the top out of a small tree with it.  My shoulder was
 sore for a week after that.  If I remember correctly he said they had used
 it to hunt deer when he was a kid.
 Gerry
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 - Original Message -
 From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  I've read that back in the day intrepid frontersmen would shoot just in
  front of the nose of a squirrel with their .50 cal(or other large bore)
  muzzle loader. The squirrel would be killed by the shockwave as the
 bullet
  came by but no meat would be damaged.
  Dad and I tried it on several occasions but were never able to make it
  work. Of course we were limited in our shooting opportunities by
 limiting
  our selves to shots where we had an appropriate backstop. I'm sure the
  frontiersmen would shoot at squirrels up in a tree, devil may care where
  the bullet would land.
  No doubt similar effect is at work in the ER story.
  -Curt

  From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Years ago a man came into the ER who was missing the bottom half of his
  scrotum but his testicles were in good shape, hanging by the vein,
  artery,
  and spermatic cord.
  His girlfriends husband had caught them in bed, he raised up on his
  knees
  when the door flew open, and her husband shot between his legs with a
  .45
  cal pistol.
  A cop said the slug didn't hit his scrotum but that it had come close
  and
  that was enough to blow part of it off.
  It seemed unlikely at the time but since then I've seen what kind of
  damage
  a .45 slug can do.
  The doctor managed to sew what was left of the scrotum back around the
  testicles and in 24 hours the suture lines were healed.
  Gerry
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1

Mobil makes a Turbo and Truck Diesel Oil in 5W40.   I started using this 
in my 240D and 300D and am pleased with  it.
It's designed for diesel and will hold soot in suspension better than the 
15W50.
It is found at Walmart and AutoZone or AdvanceAuto

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Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600

here is what im talking about, although this one is not turbo

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrysler-New-Yorker-STD-1987-Chrysler-New-Yorker-4DR-Sedan-70K-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ250154467369QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250154467369



Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 I just loved those cars (especially the new yorker) that had the 
 electronic dash, and the electronic voice thing.  In fact, I had one of 
 those maybe 7 years ago or so. Bought it with a bad turbo and ordered a 
 new one from rusty.  Think I might find another one just for the hell of 
 it sometime.

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  81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law

what is it and how much does he want?

On 8/17/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I tell you want I wouldnt mind getting one of these days is one of them
 desert eagle deals, or even a 44 automag.  Friend of mine has an ak47 he
 wants to sell.  Thought about buying that.

 ---
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 Cox Auto Trader
 730 PP Supervisor

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 handguns
  the law


  That's exactly why I chose the 45 ACP because it's a big, slow bullet. A
  45
  ACP has less penetration than even a 9mm. No-one has any business
 shooting
  a
  magnum anything in a neighborhood, even in self defense.
 
  I have a 44 Magnum too - a Ruger Blackhawk. It's a great weapon to shoot
  for
  fun  to deer hunt with, but that's just about it.
 
  Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600

2007-08-18 Thread tom savage

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 Think I might find another one just for the hell of 
 it sometime.

Me too.  But it has to be this one: 
http://jalopnik.com/cars/retro/happy-presidents-day-k+car-limo-edition-237903.php

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law

I think he wants $800 for it, including several hundred rounds of ammo

Gary Hurst wrote:
 what is it and how much does he want?
 
 On 8/17/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I tell you want I wouldnt mind getting one of these days is one of them
 desert eagle deals, or even a 44 automag.  Friend of mine has an ak47 he
 wants to sell.  Thought about buying that.

 ---
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 Cox Auto Trader
 730 PP Supervisor

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 handguns
  the law


 That's exactly why I chose the 45 ACP because it's a big, slow bullet. A
 45
 ACP has less penetration than even a 9mm. No-one has any business
 shooting
 a
 magnum anything in a neighborhood, even in self defense.

 I have a 44 Magnum too - a Ruger Blackhawk. It's a great weapon to shoot
 for
 fun  to deer hunt with, but that's just about it.

 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics


There are 5 wires out of the stator, the diagnostic says to test the 3 yellow 
ones into the regulator as diodes I presume those are the 3 AC outputs.
The black wire I presume is ground and the other one (can't remember the color, 
green maybe) I'd guess is the field.
Any idea what I should see across each?

-Curt

Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:35:26 -0700 (PDT)
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If the regulator tested out OK, don't replace it. 
Sounds like you may just need some new brushes and
that's it.  If there are springs involved with the
brushes and you can replace them, do that, too.

You can test the stator for continuity and grounds,
too - might want to do that while you're at it.  You
may have a bad stator winding.

Dan

   
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Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law

cops are not really that intelligent with guns, it seems.  this story if
pretty near unbelievable given the number of alternative options available.
why not just beat the snake to death with your truncheon?

cops scare me.  they often seem stupid and violent.   and at the end of the
day, we learn, they won't come into the building to get the shooter because
they are afraid.  they don't seem to serve very much purpose.

On 8/17/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Kevin wrote:
  If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind
 your
  target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people.

 Especially those who know nothing about gun safety but what they
 were required to learn for their jobs.

 Cops trying to shoot snake kill 5 year old boy:
 http://newsok.com/article/3098884
 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292168,00.html

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Re: [MBZ] handguns the law


CB caps aren't much different than a pellet gun noise wise. Remember the big 
noise with a gun is the bullet exceeding the sound barrier.

I've shot alot of squirrels with CB caps at my parents house, just a quiet pop 
is all you hear. Works real good within about 50 feet.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:47:13 -0400
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I know you might not want to kill it, but have you see the commercials
 for 
the air rifle made by Gamo?   They show it dropping raccons, possums , 
squirrels and other similar sized varmits.  Just a quiet phhhttt
 !(like 
a silenced .22)  and the animal dropped like a rock.

Pellet guns have changed since I was a kid -
;-)

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Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law

for the most part, that price is high.  my AK is about as high quality as
you can get and i'm pretty much sure that it isn't worth that much.

ak-47 is not a model, but a design.  you'd need to find out who made his and
whatever other specifics you can find, but very few of them are worth that
much money.

On 8/18/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think he wants $800 for it, including several hundred rounds of ammo

 Gary Hurst wrote:
  what is it and how much does he want?
 
  On 8/17/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I tell you want I wouldnt mind getting one of these days is one of them
  desert eagle deals, or even a 44 automag.  Friend of mine has an ak47
 he
  wants to sell.  Thought about buying that.
 
  ---
  Kaleb C. Striplin
  Cox Auto Trader
  730 PP Supervisor
 
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  From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now
  handguns
   the law
 
 
  That's exactly why I chose the 45 ACP because it's a big, slow bullet.
 A
  45
  ACP has less penetration than even a 9mm. No-one has any business
  shooting
  a
  magnum anything in a neighborhood, even in self defense.
 
  I have a 44 Magnum too - a Ruger Blackhawk. It's a great weapon to
 shoot
  for
  fun  to deer hunt with, but that's just about it.
 
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Re: [MBZ] rodent hunting, was handguns the law

LarryT wrote:
 
 I know you might not want to kill it, but have you see the commercials for
 the air rifle made by Gamo?   They show it dropping raccons, possums ,
 squirrels and other similar sized varmits.  Just a quiet phhhttt !(like
 a silenced .22)  and the animal dropped like a rock.

Brain shots only. Just about any reasonably powerful air rifle can do in a
woodchuck, coons are a bit tougher. I only shot one woodchuck with an
air rifle. Dog had him cornered. First shot, broadside into the center
of the head (cheekbone) was largely ineffective, but he quit chattering
at the dog, and turned the other cheek so to speak. 2nd shot, same point
of aim on the other side of his head, same result. Then I got to thinking
about where his tiny brain might be, aimed just behind the eye, and he
dropped like I'd flicked his power switch to 'off'. Mammals' brains are
located high and to the rear of their heads, best bet is to hit them 
somewhere between the eye and ear. 

Any air rifle that shoots over 750fps in .177 or 600fps in .22 is plenty
for rodents, at any range you can reliably hit a ping pong ball. (that's
roughly the size of a rabbit or woodchuck's brain) As long as you have
enough power to penetrate the skull, accuracy matters a lot more than
power, either you hit the brain or you wound an animal.

I have not been happy with my results taking chest shots with a .22LR
firearm on woodchucks over the years, now I either shoot them in the
head or use a .223. With the .223, any torso hit is instantly lethal.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600

They use one of several head hasket sealers. The sealer goes into the
cooling system  seals the breech in the head gasket. Here is one of
several that actually work:

http://www.rxauto.com/thermagasket-repair-kits.htm

The key is that the leak has to be static, not growing. And if it is
then there is a very good chance that the product will work. If the leak
is growing then the patch will just blow back out.

And very important to some list members - and no handgun is needed to
install or use the product.

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Probably the same way they do it on the 103/104.

Craig McCluskey wrote:
 On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:43:25 -0400 Peter T. Arnold
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 Blew head gasket in January at about 80Kmi.  I went to dealer with
 antifreeze dripping from tailpipe.  He calls me back next afternoon,
 the car is ready!  They swapped head gasket with out removing the
 head!  I groaned, he told me that he'd guarantee it until I junked
the
 car.  We drove it to about 200Kmi, no problem.
 
 Ok, how in the world did they do that?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law

I will ask him, I really dont know anything about it.  There is a big 
gun show in tulsa this weekend, too bad I am broke.  I need to go over 
and buy some more guns and ammo.

Gary Hurst wrote:
 for the most part, that price is high.  my AK is about as high quality as
 you can get and i'm pretty much sure that it isn't worth that much.
 
 ak-47 is not a model, but a design.  you'd need to find out who made his and
 whatever other specifics you can find, but very few of them are worth that
 much money.
 

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Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law


Recoil is related to how heavy the gun is.
I've shot a 10ga once or twice with no ill effects. That was on the trap range 
though and trap loads are ususally low power and lower recoil.
Trap guns also tend to be heavy and thus have less recoil.

I tried firing both barrels on a 12ga side by side once, damn near put me on my 
butt.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:33:42 -0400
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knutson has an old spanish double barrel 10 gauge.  he figured it would
 be
interesting to find out what it would be like to fire both shells at
 the
same time.  he describes the bruising as considerable.

   
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Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600

A little piece of trivia - these were actually manufactured by AMC for
The Chrysler Corporation.

Except for the Van  Truck lines, Chrysler no longer had the ability to
manufacture rear wheel drive cars because K cars and their varients were
being produced in their car facilities. AMC was on the ropes  had the
capacity  the car New Yorker was produced under contract until AMC was
purchased by Chrysler.

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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here is what im talking about, although this one is not turbo

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrysler-New-Yorker-STD-1987-Chrysler-New
-Yorker-4DR-Sedan-70K-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ250154467369QQcmdZViewItem?has
h=item250154467369



Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 I just loved those cars (especially the new yorker) that had the 
 electronic dash, and the electronic voice thing.  In fact, I had one
of 
 those maybe 7 years ago or so. Bought it with a bad turbo and ordered
a 
 new one from rusty.  Think I might find another one just for the hell
of 
 it sometime.

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Re: [MBZ] rodent hunting, was handguns the law

It's the shock factor.

Tom
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Sent: 08/18/07 10:54 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodent hunting, was handguns  the law
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LarryT wrote:

 I know you might not want to kill it, but have you see the commercials
for
 the air rifle made by Gamo?   They show it dropping raccons, possums ,
 squirrels and other similar sized varmits.  Just a quiet phhhttt
!(like
 a silenced .22)  and the animal dropped like a rock.

Brain shots only. Just about any reasonably powerful air rifle can do in
a
woodchuck, coons are a bit tougher. I only shot one woodchuck with an
air rifle. Dog had him cornered. First shot, broadside into the center
of the head (cheekbone) was largely ineffective, but he quit chattering
at the dog, and turned the other cheek so to speak. 2nd shot, same point
of aim on the other side of his head, same result. Then I got to
thinking
about where his tiny brain might be, aimed just behind the eye, and he
dropped like I'd flicked his power switch to 'off'. Mammals' brains are
located high and to the rear of their heads, best bet is to hit them 
somewhere between the eye and ear. 

Any air rifle that shoots over 750fps in .177 or 600fps in .22 is plenty
for rodents, at any range you can reliably hit a ping pong ball. (that's
roughly the size of a rabbit or woodchuck's brain) As long as you have
enough power to penetrate the skull, accuracy matters a lot more than
power, either you hit the brain or you wound an animal.

I have not been happy with my results taking chest shots with a .22LR
firearm on woodchucks over the years, now I either shoot them in the
head or use a .223. With the .223, any torso hit is instantly lethal.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law


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handguns  the law


I will ask him, I really dont know anything about it.  There is a big
 gun show in tulsa this weekend, too bad I am broke.  I need to go over
 and buy some more guns and ammo.

 Gary Hurst wrote:
 for the most part, that price is high.  my AK is about as high quality as
 you can get and i'm pretty much sure that it isn't worth that much.

 ak-47 is not a model, but a design.  you'd need to find out who made his 
 and
 whatever other specifics you can find, but very few of them are worth 
 that
 much money.


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Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law

Kaleb wrote:need to go over and buy some more guns 

Everytime Congress gets close to passing some crazy anti-gun law I buy 
another gun..
Last was a Bushmaster. Excellent rifle.  But I gotta stop doing that - 
running out of space -
;-)
Need to find a better place to shoot -

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handguns  the law


I will ask him, I really dont know anything about it.  There is a big
 gun show in tulsa this weekend, too bad I am broke.  I need to go over
 and buy some more guns and ammo.

 Gary Hurst wrote:
 for the most part, that price is high.  my AK is about as high quality as
 you can get and i'm pretty much sure that it isn't worth that much.

 ak-47 is not a model, but a design.  you'd need to find out who made his 
 and
 whatever other specifics you can find, but very few of them are worth 
 that
 much money.


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Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law

Statistics show police hit innocent people 11% of the time they fire their 
handgun.  Law-Abiding citizens authourized to possess a gun (how I hate 
that phrase!) hits an innocent person less than 2% of the time.  Not a good 
record for the cops.

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 the law


 cops are not really that intelligent with guns, it seems.  this story if
 pretty near unbelievable given the number of alternative options 
 available.
 why not just beat the snake to death with your truncheon?

 cops scare me.  they often seem stupid and violent.   and at the end of 
 the
 day, we learn, they won't come into the building to get the shooter 
 because
 they are afraid.  they don't seem to serve very much purpose.

 On 8/17/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Kevin wrote:
  If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind
 your
  target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people.

 Especially those who know nothing about gun safety but what they
 were required to learn for their jobs.

 Cops trying to shoot snake kill 5 year old boy:
 http://newsok.com/article/3098884
 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292168,00.html

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Re: [MBZ] Guns

This funny video goes well with what we've been talking about - 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeo05uPMmn4

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Re: [MBZ] Guns

This reminds me of the discussions I had about the recent college
shootings. One of the arguments I heard was that it was a gun free zone
 the student had no bisuness with the handguns on campus. Yah, right -
you are going to shoot a group of people  you will be concened about
something as trivial as a gun ordenance?


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This funny video goes well with what we've been talking about - 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeo05uPMmn4

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics

I'm doing this from the seat of my pants since I'm not
familiar with that system, but more likely than not
the three yellow wires should have continuity to each
other, but nothing to ground.

You're probably correct on the black/green
arrangement.  If they are in fact the field winding,
they should have continuity between each other but
nothing to ground or the stator leads, either.

Of course you must test all of these with all the
wires disconnected, or you risk getting incorrect
results.

Dan


--- Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 There are 5 wires out of the stator, the diagnostic
 says to test the 3 yellow ones into the regulator as
 diodes I presume those are the 3 AC outputs.
 The black wire I presume is ground and the other one
 (can't remember the color, green maybe) I'd guess is
 the field.
 Any idea what I should see across each?
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:35:26 -0700 (PDT)
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 If the regulator tested out OK, don't replace it. 
 Sounds like you may just need some new brushes and
 that's it.  If there are springs involved with the
 brushes and you can replace them, do that, too.
 
 You can test the stator for continuity and grounds,
 too - might want to do that while you're at it.  You
 may have a bad stator winding.
 
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Re: [MBZ] rodent hunting, was handguns the law


Woodchucks, procupines and such like to get up under the camp and dig into the 
stringers. We usually defer to the .410 or 20ga for them.
Roust 'em from the camp and its all over quick. I can get 'em with a .22 but 
you're right it doesn't take much of a miss for them to linger.
I'm always paranoid if I don't do the job clean they'll crawl under the camp to 
die and the stink will kill us...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:49:39 -0400
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Brain shots only. Just about any reasonably powerful air rifle can do
 in a
woodchuck, coons are a bit tougher. I only shot one woodchuck with an
air rifle. Dog had him cornered. First shot, broadside into the center
of the head (cheekbone) was largely ineffective, but he quit chattering
at the dog, and turned the other cheek so to speak. 2nd shot, same
 point
of aim on the other side of his head, same result. Then I got to
 thinking
about where his tiny brain might be, aimed just behind the eye, and he
dropped like I'd flicked his power switch to 'off'. Mammals' brains are
located high and to the rear of their heads, best bet is to hit them 
somewhere between the eye and ear. 

Any air rifle that shoots over 750fps in .177 or 600fps in .22 is
 plenty
for rodents, at any range you can reliably hit a ping pong ball.
 (that's
roughly the size of a rabbit or woodchuck's brain) As long as you have
enough power to penetrate the skull, accuracy matters a lot more than
power, either you hit the brain or you wound an animal.

I have not been happy with my results taking chest shots with a .22LR
firearm on woodchucks over the years, now I either shoot them in the
head or use a .223. With the .223, any torso hit is instantly lethal.

Mitch.

   
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Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law

2007-08-18 Thread Harry Watkins

In Jackson, MS, a 78 year old man fought and killed an intruder in his
house.  A TV reporter asked him how it felt to fight someone 1/3 of his
age.  He said he wasn't any younger than them bullits.  After all, its
them fast little things that come out the front of the gun that hurts the
most.

Harry


On 8/18/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Statistics show police hit innocent people 11% of the time they fire their
 handgun.  Law-Abiding citizens authourized to possess a gun (how I hate
 that phrase!) hits an innocent person less than 2% of the time.  Not a
 good
 record for the cops.

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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now
 handguns
  the law


  cops are not really that intelligent with guns, it seems.  this story if
  pretty near unbelievable given the number of alternative options
  available.
  why not just beat the snake to death with your truncheon?
 
  cops scare me.  they often seem stupid and violent.   and at the end of
  the
  day, we learn, they won't come into the building to get the shooter
  because
  they are afraid.  they don't seem to serve very much purpose.
 
  On 8/17/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
  Kevin wrote:
   If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind
  your
   target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people.
 
  Especially those who know nothing about gun safety but what they
  were required to learn for their jobs.
 
  Cops trying to shoot snake kill 5 year old boy:
  http://newsok.com/article/3098884
  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292168,00.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics

The stator has three wires. You should be able to measure a very, very
small resistance between the three if your VM is sensitive enough and
none should have any electrical connection to the stator body.

Stator failures consist of an open winding, a shorted winding, (more
common) a short to ground (the stator body) or an open lead. Of the
four, only the third  fourth can be detected with a ohm-meter because
the winding resistance is too low.

The rotor has two wires, same as above.

Rotor failures consist of an open winding and a short to ground (the
stator body) and both can be detected with a ohm-meter.

All measurements are taken with the wires disconnected

Tom
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics
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I'm doing this from the seat of my pants since I'm not
familiar with that system, but more likely than not
the three yellow wires should have continuity to each
other, but nothing to ground.

You're probably correct on the black/green
arrangement.  If they are in fact the field winding,
they should have continuity between each other but
nothing to ground or the stator leads, either.

Of course you must test all of these with all the
wires disconnected, or you risk getting incorrect
results.

Dan


--- Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 There are 5 wires out of the stator, the diagnostic
 says to test the 3 yellow ones into the regulator as
 diodes I presume those are the 3 AC outputs.
 The black wire I presume is ground and the other one
 (can't remember the color, green maybe) I'd guess is
 the field.
 Any idea what I should see across each?
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:35:26 -0700 (PDT)
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 If the regulator tested out OK, don't replace it. 
 Sounds like you may just need some new brushes and
 that's it.  If there are springs involved with the
 brushes and you can replace them, do that, too.
 
 You can test the stator for continuity and grounds,
 too - might want to do that while you're at it.  You
 may have a bad stator winding.
 
 Dan
 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics

As a former (20+ years) standby/prime power generator
and control guy, I left this as basic as I could.  One
of the things that often made us crazy was when specs
for windings were published since the questionable
accuracy of most end user's test equipment made it
impossible for them to measure such a low value.  As a
result, you tell them the windings should have 0.2
ohms resistance and they hook up their Radio Shack VOM
to it, there is no way they will ever see that value. 
After all, who carries a Wheatstone bridge around with
them?

Then it's the It must be bad! assumption, which is
almost always wrong.  They buy a new part, put it in,
and it still doesn't work.  Now you're the bad guy.

Few people understand that meter accuracy is a
percentage of the range, so when you're way down
at the bottom of the range you're probably so far out
of the percentage of accuracy it's not funny.

For the most part, simple continuity tests on these
sorts of windings will tell you whether or not they're
good or bad.  Want some real fun?

Get out the megger!  Whoopee!

Dan



--- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The stator has three wires. You should be able to
 measure a very, very
 small resistance between the three if your VM is
 sensitive enough and
 none should have any electrical connection to the
 stator body.
 
 Stator failures consist of an open winding, a
 shorted winding, (more
 common) a short to ground (the stator body) or an
 open lead. Of the
 four, only the third  fourth can be detected with a
 ohm-meter because
 the winding resistance is too low.
 
 The rotor has two wires, same as above.
 
 Rotor failures consist of an open winding and a
 short to ground (the
 stator body) and both can be detected with a
 ohm-meter.
 
 All measurements are taken with the wires
 disconnected
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt

2007-08-18 Thread Zoltan Finks

I will recommend that we get that belt replaced soon.

This is really interesting to me though, as I wasn't aware, and I
don't think the general public is aware, that these cars are something
close to a time bomb in that they are very likely to just go belly up
at a certain point. All I knew was that these Hondas were very
reliable and would last a long time. But according to this info., they
are reliable, with a very severe caveat.

You would think that it would be better known that these cars will
just quit at around 100k or whatever the designated mileage is.

Brian

On 8/18/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Redghost wrote:
  JUST REPLACE IT.  Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you can
  squeeze a few thousand more miles out.   I had an acura that said to
  change the belt at 90k.  It was not joking.  I made it to 91,231
  before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the
  top end.  Valves slapped all over the place.  Should have just gone
  in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k

 I would never let one go more than five years in an interference engine.
 Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no guarantee,
 but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it
 breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 Escort
 at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a 1.9L so
 all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This  car went about 150 miles a
 day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother when
 she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again so
 I'm guessing a defective belt.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt

2007-08-18 Thread E M

I just changed the belt on a non bender engine. :-)  It broke before the
recommend time change, and I suspect when it was last changed, they put a
nic in the belt when putting it on or something.  Tow home, ($60) and new
best $28.  Line everything up and a few skinned knuckles later, I was back
in business. hee hee.  Gotta love low compression American engines at times.


Ed
300E

On 18/08/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Redghost wrote:
  JUST REPLACE IT.  Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you can
  squeeze a few thousand more miles out.   I had an acura that said to
  change the belt at 90k.  It was not joking.  I made it to 91,231
  before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the
  top end.  Valves slapped all over the place.  Should have just gone
  in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k

 I would never let one go more than five years in an interference engine.
 Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no guarantee,
 but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it
 breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 Escort
 at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a 1.9L so
 all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This  car went about 150 miles a
 day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother when
 she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again so
 I'm guessing a defective belt.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt

2007-08-18 Thread Levi Smith

I'm thinking it depends on what sort of auto experience you have.  If you're
used to dealing with Japanese cars, you should be used to dealing with
timing belts.  I've been well versed with them for about 12 years.  You
generally replace timing belts in the 60-100K mile range depending on the
vehicle.  If not, you can usually find good deals on cars with blown engines
from people who didn't bother to replace them.  I've done two in my wife's
Subaru and I'm nearing time for the 4th in my Subee.

Levi

On 8/18/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I will recommend that we get that belt replaced soon.

 This is really interesting to me though, as I wasn't aware, and I
 don't think the general public is aware, that these cars are something
 close to a time bomb in that they are very likely to just go belly up
 at a certain point. All I knew was that these Hondas were very
 reliable and would last a long time. But according to this info., they
 are reliable, with a very severe caveat.

 You would think that it would be better known that these cars will
 just quit at around 100k or whatever the designated mileage is.

 Brian

 On 8/18/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Redghost wrote:
   JUST REPLACE IT.  Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you can
   squeeze a few thousand more miles out.   I had an acura that said to
   change the belt at 90k.  It was not joking.  I made it to 91,231
   before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the
   top end.  Valves slapped all over the place.  Should have just gone
   in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k
 
  I would never let one go more than five years in an interference engine.
  Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no guarantee,
  but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it
  breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 Escort
  at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a 1.9Lso
  all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This  car went about 150 miles
 a
  day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother
 when
  she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again so
  I'm guessing a defective belt.
 
  Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt

2007-08-18 Thread Affzaal.Khan

Is there Any time frame for replacement , or is it  simply mileage  related

mak

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Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt

 I'm thinking it depends on what sort of auto experience you have.  If 
 you're
 used to dealing with Japanese cars, you should be used to dealing with
 timing belts.  I've been well versed with them for about 12 years.  You
 generally replace timing belts in the 60-100K mile range depending on the
 vehicle.  If not, you can usually find good deals on cars with blown 
 engines
 from people who didn't bother to replace them.  I've done two in my wife's
 Subaru and I'm nearing time for the 4th in my Subee.

 Levi

 On 8/18/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I will recommend that we get that belt replaced soon.

 This is really interesting to me though, as I wasn't aware, and I
 don't think the general public is aware, that these cars are something
 close to a time bomb in that they are very likely to just go belly up
 at a certain point. All I knew was that these Hondas were very
 reliable and would last a long time. But according to this info., they
 are reliable, with a very severe caveat.

 You would think that it would be better known that these cars will
 just quit at around 100k or whatever the designated mileage is.

 Brian

 On 8/18/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Redghost wrote:
   JUST REPLACE IT.  Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you can
   squeeze a few thousand more miles out.   I had an acura that said to
   change the belt at 90k.  It was not joking.  I made it to 91,231
   before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the
   top end.  Valves slapped all over the place.  Should have just gone
   in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k

  I would never let one go more than five years in an interference 
  engine.
  Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no guarantee,
  but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it
  breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 
  Escort
  at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a 
  1.9Lso
  all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This  car went about 150 miles
 a
  day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother
 when
  she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again 
  so
  I'm guessing a defective belt.

  Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:18:00 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin
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 Probably the same way they do it on the 103/104.
 
 Craig McCluskey wrote:
  On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:43:25 -0400 Peter T. Arnold
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Blew head gasket in January at about 80Kmi.  I went to dealer with
  antifreeze dripping from tailpipe.  He calls me back next afternoon,
  the car is ready!  They swapped head gasket with out removing the
  head!  I groaned, he told me that he'd guarantee it until I junked
 the  car.  We drove it to about 200Kmi, no problem.
  
  Ok, how in the world did they do that?

Which is?


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Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:52:57 -0500 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 They use one of several head hasket sealers. The sealer goes into the
 cooling system  seals the breech in the head gasket. Here is one of
 several that actually work:
 
 http://www.rxauto.com/thermagasket-repair-kits.htm


Yes, but the OP said,

  They swapped head gasket with out removing the head!

not that they used a head gasket sealer.


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Re: [MBZ] Guns



Tom Hargrave wrote:
 
 This reminds me of the discussions I had about the recent college
 shootings. One of the arguments I heard was that it was a gun free zone
  the student had no bisuness with the handguns on campus. Yah, right -
 you are going to shoot a group of people  you will be concened about
 something as trivial as a gun ordenance?

Expecting a gun free zone (helpless victim zone) to deter somebody intent
on murder is like expecting an order of protection to prevent murder. 
(oh, no, I can't kill my ex now, or I'll be guilty of contempt of court)

My county persecuting attorney was once quoted in a newspaper as saying
that if a stalking victim had only asked him for a PPO, she'd be alive today.
There's another quote from this liar arguing that we need to stop letting
convicts prove their innocence. Think of the victim's families, for God's
sake (I'm thinking they will be less likely to vote for you if they find
out you locked up the wrong guy. Better for him to spend another 20 years
in jail than for the public find out you botched your job, right?)

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600

they basically just unbolt it and slide the old one out, new one in.

Craig McCluskey wrote:
 On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:18:00 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Probably the same way they do it on the 103/104.

 Craig McCluskey wrote:
 On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:43:25 -0400 Peter T. Arnold
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Blew head gasket in January at about 80Kmi.  I went to dealer with
 antifreeze dripping from tailpipe.  He calls me back next afternoon,
 the car is ready!  They swapped head gasket with out removing the
 head!  I groaned, he told me that he'd guarantee it until I junked
 the  car.  We drove it to about 200Kmi, no problem.

 Ok, how in the world did they do that?
 
 Which is?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt



Affzaal.Khan wrote:
 
 Is there Any time frame for replacement , or is it  simply mileage  related

If belt breakage can destroy the engine, I wouldn't want to bet $2000 on a
piece of rubber that's more than five years old. That's just my opinion, seems
like most factory recommendations are mileage based. 
Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] Guns

2007-08-18 Thread Christopher McCann

I had this same discussion with someone last week. All gas stations and quick 
trips should simply put up a sign that says ABSOLUTELY NO ROBBERY and I'm 
certain there would be no more robbery or theft.

Chris



Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Tom Hargrave wrote:
 
 This reminds me of the discussions I had about the recent college
 shootings. One of the arguments I heard was that it was a gun free zone
  the student had no bisuness with the handguns on campus. Yah, right -
 you are going to shoot a group of people  you will be concened about
 something as trivial as a gun ordenance?

Expecting a gun free zone (helpless victim zone) to deter somebody intent
on murder is like expecting an order of protection to prevent murder. 
(oh, no, I can't kill my ex now, or I'll be guilty of contempt of court)

My county persecuting attorney was once quoted in a newspaper as saying
that if a stalking victim had only asked him for a PPO, she'd be alive today.
There's another quote from this liar arguing that we need to stop letting
convicts prove their innocence. Think of the victim's families, for God's
sake (I'm thinking they will be less likely to vote for you if they find
out you locked up the wrong guy. Better for him to spend another 20 years
in jail than for the public find out you botched your job, right?)

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:11:19 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin
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 they basically just unbolt it and slide the old one out, new one in.

So it has nothing like a timing chain gallery that would interfere with
sliding the old one out?


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Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600

yea, it does.  I think they unhook the chain and let it hang down a bit 
enough to clear the gasket.  Been a while since I have heard about this 
trick though, Im a little foggy.

Craig McCluskey wrote:
 On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:11:19 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin
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 they basically just unbolt it and slide the old one out, new one in.
 
 So it has nothing like a timing chain gallery that would interfere with
 sliding the old one out?
 
 
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[MBZ] [ SPAM ] Re: tick, tick, tick, very fast under the hood?

2007-08-18 Thread Aleph93

Hi all,

I'm new to this group.

I hear a tick tick tick coming from one of the vacuum pods on the 
driver's side fender well,  right after shutting the car down.
I don't recall what that pod does, yet it doesn't seem like an issue. It 
might be a pod that isn't part of the earlier models, as it seems like 
more pods were added on the '85 and later.

Rob (avoiding the gun and penis thread)
'85 MB 300D
'80 BMW R100RT
Costa Mesa, CA


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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:54:43 -0500
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Subject: [MBZ] tick, tick, tick, very fast under the hood?
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1986 300 SDL.  Its coming from right behind the IP.  I think its to do with
the cruise control but moving the lever doesn't change anything.  Anyone had
this happen?  Any clues?

Harry


  


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Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] Re: tick, tick, tick, very fast under the hood?

If I understand you correctly, it sounds like you're
describing one of the vacuum reservoirs, which have a
check valve to prevent the loss of vacuum.

Maybe it's leaking?

Dan


--- Aleph93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I'm new to this group.
 
 I hear a tick tick tick coming from one of the
 vacuum pods on the 
 driver's side fender well,  right after shutting the
 car down.
 I don't recall what that pod does, yet it doesn't
 seem like an issue. It 
 might be a pod that isn't part of the earlier
 models, as it seems like 
 more pods were added on the '85 and later.
 
 Rob (avoiding the gun and penis thread)
 '85 MB 300D
 '80 BMW R100RT
 Costa Mesa, CA
 
 
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 Message: 5
 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:54:43 -0500
 From: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 1986 300 SDL.  Its coming from right behind the IP.
  I think its to do with
 the cruise control but moving the lever doesn't
 change anything.  Anyone had
 this happen?  Any clues?
 
 Harry
 
 
   
 
 
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[MBZ] citric acid

2007-08-18 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr

I just looked through the archives-seems as if the consensus is about 1
pound of citric acid per gallon of H2O.  Where does one buy citric acid? I
tried the local pharmacy today and they didn't carry it.  IIRC, my mother
used to use it when canning peaches.

 

Anyway time to flush the Green Goddess and get the green stuff out of there
and some  Zerex -05

Thanks,

Dwight 

 

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1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac G3 parts

2007-08-18 Thread Gary Thompson

Yep, identical configurations.

Gary


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 Sometimes that happens - I didn't check the new ones.
 Were they the same configuration?

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Re: [MBZ] K-Car head gasket replacement

2007-08-18 Thread RELNGSON

Probably the same way they do it on the 103/104..

Which is?

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Re: [MBZ] Suspicions confirmed?

2007-08-18 Thread RELNGSON

,Tom - you wrote:creep down the hall, naked, with a loaded handgun  - I 
assume you're going for creating a shocked, surprised, laughing hysterically, 
burglar who'll fall down from laughing so hard as he runs away? 

So you are confirming the theory that handguns and teenee weewees is correct, 
then?

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Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns the law the freaks wholove guns

2007-08-18 Thread Gary Thompson

Except they don't know the meaning of recycle in OK...  Unless you're
talking about a trip to the little girl's room after a six pack.


Gary Thompson


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Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1

2007-08-18 Thread Gary Thompson

Don,

What does this question have to do with guns? Shouldn't this be on another list?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt

2007-08-18 Thread E M

Most say mileage, as the average driver will cover the mileage in about 5-6
years.  Like any rubber bit, time effects them too.  If I had a car with
very lows miles and use, I'd change things based on time, as I do with my
old porsche.  If it's a valve bender engine, I'd kind of think around the
5-6 year mark or mileage, whatever comes frist.  many ownder's manuals will
give a both a time and mileage change date.  Alwayus best to check the book.

Ed
300E

On 18/08/07, Affzaal.Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is there Any time frame for replacement , or is it  simply
 mileage  related

 mak



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 Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt


  I'm thinking it depends on what sort of auto experience you have.  If
  you're
  used to dealing with Japanese cars, you should be used to dealing with
  timing belts.  I've been well versed with them for about 12 years.  You
  generally replace timing belts in the 60-100K mile range depending on
 the
  vehicle.  If not, you can usually find good deals on cars with blown
  engines
  from people who didn't bother to replace them.  I've done two in my
 wife's
  Subaru and I'm nearing time for the 4th in my Subee.
 
  Levi
 
  On 8/18/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I will recommend that we get that belt replaced soon.
 
  This is really interesting to me though, as I wasn't aware, and I
  don't think the general public is aware, that these cars are something
  close to a time bomb in that they are very likely to just go belly up
  at a certain point. All I knew was that these Hondas were very
  reliable and would last a long time. But according to this info., they
  are reliable, with a very severe caveat.
 
  You would think that it would be better known that these cars will
  just quit at around 100k or whatever the designated mileage is.
 
  Brian
 
  On 8/18/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
   Redghost wrote:
JUST REPLACE IT.  Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you
 can
squeeze a few thousand more miles out.   I had an acura that said
 to
change the belt at 90k.  It was not joking.  I made it to 91,231
before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the
top end.  Valves slapped all over the place.  Should have just gone
in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k
  
   I would never let one go more than five years in an interference
   engine.
   Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no
 guarantee,
   but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it
   breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87
   Escort
   at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a
   1.9Lso
   all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This  car went about 150
 miles
  a
   day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother
  when
   she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again
   so
   I'm guessing a defective belt.
  
   Mitch.
  
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Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] Re: tick, tick, tick, very fast under the hood?

2007-08-18 Thread Harry Watkins

Rob (welcome to the list) is trying to rob my thread (grin).  My tick, tick
is under the hood, not under the dash.  It starts when the key is turned on
and I guess it ticks all the time.  What is the function of the unit just
rear of the IP on a 603?

Looking for help.

Harry


On 8/18/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If I understand you correctly, it sounds like you're
 describing one of the vacuum reservoirs, which have a
 check valve to prevent the loss of vacuum.

 Maybe it's leaking?

 Dan


 --- Aleph93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi all,
 
  I'm new to this group.
 
  I hear a tick tick tick coming from one of the
  vacuum pods on the
  driver's side fender well,  right after shutting the
  car down.
  I don't recall what that pod does, yet it doesn't
  seem like an issue. It
  might be a pod that isn't part of the earlier
  models, as it seems like
  more pods were added on the '85 and later.
 
  Rob (avoiding the gun and penis thread)
  '85 MB 300D
  '80 BMW R100RT
  Costa Mesa, CA
 
  
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  Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:54:43 -0500
  From: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [MBZ] tick, tick, tick, very fast under
  the hood?
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
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  1986 300 SDL.  Its coming from right behind the IP.
   I think its to do with
  the cruise control but moving the lever doesn't
  change anything.  Anyone had
  this happen?  Any clues?
  
  Harry
  
  
  
  
 
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Re: [MBZ] Guns

2007-08-18 Thread Rick Knoble

I had this same discussion with someone last week. All gas stations and 
quick trips should simply put up a sign that says ABSOLUTELY NO ROBBERY 
and I'm certain there would be no more robbery or theft.

The best place for that sign would be in the oil company's headquarters.

Rick Knoble
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Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt

2007-08-18 Thread John Freer

Manufacturers spend millions of dollars to publish owners manuals. The
general public (those that can read) are not to blame.

On 8/18/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I will recommend that we get that belt replaced soon.

 This is really interesting to me though, as I wasn't aware, and I
 don't think the general public is aware, that these cars are something
 close to a time bomb in that they are very likely to just go belly up
 at a certain point. All I knew was that these Hondas were very
 reliable and would last a long time. But according to this info., they
 are reliable, with a very severe caveat.

 You would think that it would be better known that these cars will
 just quit at around 100k or whatever the designated mileage is.

 Brian

 On 8/18/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Redghost wrote:
   JUST REPLACE IT.  Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you can
   squeeze a few thousand more miles out.   I had an acura that said to
   change the belt at 90k.  It was not joking.  I made it to 91,231
   before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the
   top end.  Valves slapped all over the place.  Should have just gone
   in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k
 
  I would never let one go more than five years in an interference engine.
  Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no guarantee,
  but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it
  breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 Escort
  at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a 1.9Lso
  all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This  car went about 150 miles
 a
  day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother
 when
  she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again so
  I'm guessing a defective belt.
 
  Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] Re: tick, tick, tick, very fast under the hood?

2007-08-18 Thread Marshall Booth

Harry Watkins wrote:
 Rob (welcome to the list) is trying to rob my thread (grin).  My tick, tick
 is under the hood, not under the dash.  It starts when the key is turned on
 and I guess it ticks all the time.  What is the function of the unit just
 rear of the IP on a 603?
 
 Looking for help.

Sounds like the cruise control actuator going CRAZY. I expect that is 
possible if the feedback loop becomes intermittent or opens. Try 
unplugging it.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] citric acid

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:44:33 -0400 Dwight E. Giles, Jr
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just looked through the archives-seems as if the consensus is about 1
 pound of citric acid per gallon of H2O.  Where does one buy citric acid?
 I tried the local pharmacy today and they didn't carry it.  IIRC, my
 mother used to use it when canning peaches.

I bought 10 lbs from a seller on eBay. Someone else on the list bought
some from a baking goods supply house. If you do a search on the Internet,
you most likely will find someone who sells it (which is the option here
in out-of-the-way Los Alamos).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter

2007-08-18 Thread Hendrik

That's my point, you can buy heavy duty (relative to a car) stands for 
not much money.
Still you have to be careful where you use them, on concrete/asphalt no 
problem but on soft ground extra care needs to be taken.
It is a good idea once the car is up to try and move it with your hand 
to determine how stable it is, you do not want to find out the hard way.

Mitch Haley wrote:

 Halfway decent Chinese 4 leg stands with ratchet height adjusters are
 about $25-35US with a cheap hydraulic floor jack included. (but you will
 probably want to chock the wheels, lift with the factory jack, and put
 the stand under the rubber jack point)

 If you have any of the 1970's style with a three legged 5 wide base,
 and height adjustment by sticking a 3/8 pin in a hole, scrap them
 and get something better.

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Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600

Craig McCluskey wrote:
 
 On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:11:19 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  they basically just unbolt it and slide the old one out, new one in.
 
 So it has nothing like a timing chain gallery that would interfere with
 sliding the old one out?

2.2 and 2.5 mopar had belts outside the head. Not sure how hard it would be 
to clear the head alignment dowels without taking the belt off. I always
removed head and manifolds together, then took off the manifolds and sent
the head to the machine shop for cleaning and warp check. Also spent some
time removing all signs of the gasket from the block. Raising the head
1/2 and slipping the new gasket in seems a bit substandard to me. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter



Hendrik wrote:
 
 That's my point, you can buy heavy duty (relative to a car) stands for
 not much money.
 Still you have to be careful where you use them, on concrete/asphalt no
 problem but on soft ground extra care needs to be taken.
 It is a good idea once the car is up to try and move it with your hand
 to determine how stable it is, you do not want to find out the hard way.

I do some work on my dirt driveway. Always put the stands, and often the
jack, on a piece of 2x12 lumber. 12 long works fine for a jack stand,
36 for the floor jack so it can roll freely as it raises. 


Craig McCluskey wrote:
 
 Rubber jack point?

My W201, and I'm pretty sure my W116, has four rubber pads under the body
that are intended for lifting the entire car on a shop hoist. With the 201,
it's mandatory to use these because many of the other possible jack points
have plastic fairings or belly pans under them. (my 201 is a 16v, others
may vary, I don't think all 201s have fairings on the control arms) When I
want to raise the 201 fully, I put the back end on ramps and raise the
front with the factory jack, putting the stands under the round rubber
pads located inboard of the rocker panel jack tubes. I've only jacked
up my 300SD to remove wheels, it's tall enough to let me do stuff like
tranny fluid changes without raising the car. A previous owner put
P215/75R14 tires on it, so it's taller than the average W116. Also gets
27mpg at 80mph, possibly aided by the larger rolling diameter of the tires.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law

2007-08-18 Thread Redghost

It gets better, The local porcine patrol has run out of bullets.   
http://tinyurl.com/2uxw6g

Your local mounties may have to resort to Paint Balls to subdue  
criminals.   They can no longer qualify on the AR-15 or upgrade the  
the .45 colt from the little pea shooters.

  Arm  yourself with odd caliber rounds and shoot them criminals  
yourself

clay


On 18 Aug 2007, at 08:44, Gary Hurst wrote:

 cops are not really that intelligent with guns, it seems.  this  
 story if
 pretty near unbelievable given the number of alternative options  
 available.
 why not just beat the snake to death with your truncheon?

 cops scare me.  they often seem stupid and violent.   and at the  
 end of the
 day, we learn, they won't come into the building to get the shooter  
 because
 they are afraid.  they don't seem to serve very much purpose.

 On 8/17/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Kevin wrote:
 If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's  
 behind
 your
 target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people.

 Especially those who know nothing about gun safety but what they
 were required to learn for their jobs.

 Cops trying to shoot snake kill 5 year old boy:
 http://newsok.com/article/3098884
 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292168,00.html



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Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1

2007-08-18 Thread Luther

That's all I've put into my cars.  My SD went about 1500 miles between quarts. 
It leaked enough that the tail lights/bumper/license plate would be speckled
with oil after highway trips. 
Dad's '85 300D went to Reno and back, 3,600 miles and used about 3/4 qt.  Not
high consumption in my book. 

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'87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (166 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine



Quoting Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Luther wrote:
 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40

 On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:45:24 -0500, Wonko the Sane 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What weight of Mobil 1 should I use in my 240D?

 While Mobil 1 5W-40 Turbodiesel Truck, 5W-40 ESP Formula M, 5W-40 and
 0W-40 are Mercedes approved, consumption may be a bit high in an OM61x
 engined car. I would recommend M-1 15W-50 even in winter in the northern
 US. 

 Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns the law

According to my paintball playing teenager, frozen
paintballs are not only injurious, they could possibly
be lethal.  The logistics of using a paintball gun
with frozen paintballs as a personal protection device
is questionable, however.

Dan


--- Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It gets better, The local porcine patrol has run out
 of bullets.   
 http://tinyurl.com/2uxw6g
 
 Your local mounties may have to resort to Paint
 Balls to subdue  
 criminals.   They can no longer qualify on the AR-15
 or upgrade the  
 the .45 colt from the little pea shooters.
 
   Arm  yourself with odd caliber rounds and shoot
 them criminals  
 yourself
 
 clay



   

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Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1

2007-08-18 Thread Wonko the Sane

I was trying to start a new oil thread so we could talk about something
other than guns and penis size.

On 8/18/07, Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Don,

 What does this question have to do with guns? Shouldn't this be on another
 list?

 On 8/17/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What weight of Mobil 1 should I use in my 240D?

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Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1

2007-08-18 Thread Rich Thomas

What kind of oil do you use on your, wait, make that, in your, uh, 
car!!?  Yeah, that's the ticket!

--Rr

Wonko the Sane wrote:
 I was trying to start a new oil thread so we could talk about something
 other than guns and penis size.

 On 8/18/07, Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Don,

 What does this question have to do with guns? Shouldn't this be on another
 list?

 On 8/17/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 What weight of Mobil 1 should I use in my 240D?
   
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Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1

2007-08-18 Thread Wonko the Sane

Mobil 1 15-W-50.:-)

On 8/18/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What kind of oil do you use on your, wait, make that, in your, uh,
 car!!?  Yeah, that's the ticket!

 --Rr

 Wonko the Sane wrote:
  I was trying to start a new oil thread so we could talk about something
  other than guns and penis size.
 
  On 8/18/07, Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Don,
 
  What does this question have to do with guns? Shouldn't this be on
 another
  list?
 
  On 8/17/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  What weight of Mobil 1 should I use in my 240D?
 
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Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns the law the freakswholoveguns

if they show up at all

On 8/18/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Police do not protect us.

 Police come after the fact.

 After the crime.

 After the shooting.

 After you have been robbed.

 After you've been shot.

 After..

 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
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 Wonko the Sane wrote:
 
  My only serious comment in this discussion. I haveguns by proxy, and
 they
  are in the possession of our town's law enforcement officers.

 I would never rely upon others that way. Especially since the courts have
 ruled time and time again that the police are NOT there to protect us.
 Mitch.

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