Re: [MBZ] ignition switch

2007-08-31 Thread John Freer
On 8/30/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Am I BONED? and need to get it drilled if I can't get it to turn?

 Eventually.  But if you haven't spent at least an hour teasing it
 in a couple-three sessions you aren't ready to go there yet.

 Don't get so efficient at trying that when/if it DOES turn on
 you don't just turn it back off again 'cause you're in the groove.
 BTDT.

 Once you get it turned, immediately remove the ignition tumbler and
 use a screwdriver to start the car until you get a new one.

 -- Jim

 I've even heard that jacking the front of the car to get the weight off
 the wheels may also help.

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Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question

2007-08-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
10 minutes?  Takes me less than 2 minutes.

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- Original Message - 
From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question


 WOW, I can RR a 123 battery in less than 10 mins.  I much prefer the pull 
 out drop in of the 126.  Remove the air cleaner.  Have new rubber air 
 cleaner mounts handy if yours are bad.

 Luther

 On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:46:37 -0500, andrew strasfogel 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Pull off the long rubber strip on the edge beneath the front w/s -
 that will help. This is a tough job!   It took the Mercedes Roadside
 tech 45 minutes to change the battery in her '85 300CD.  I came out
 ahead in that deal (battery cost $137 installed, IIRC)





 -- 
 Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
 '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
 '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
 '82 300CD (166 kmi)
 '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
 '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine

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Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question

2007-08-31 Thread Levi Smith
Woah, I literally, read this message, went on to the next one and then
paused and said Was that the banned list?
Then I came back to this message and realized we were talking about battery
replacement.

On THAT topic, I will also comment that I didn't think it was very difficult
to change the battery in my 83' 300D...

Levi

On 8/31/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 10 minutes?  Takes me less than 2 minutes.

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 - Original Message -
 From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question


  WOW, I can RR a 123 battery in less than 10 mins.  I much prefer the
 pull
  out drop in of the 126.  Remove the air cleaner.  Have new rubber air
  cleaner mounts handy if yours are bad.
 
  Luther
 
  On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:46:37 -0500, andrew strasfogel
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Pull off the long rubber strip on the edge beneath the front w/s -
  that will help. This is a tough job!   It took the Mercedes Roadside
  tech 45 minutes to change the battery in her '85 300CD.  I came out
  ahead in that deal (battery cost $137 installed, IIRC)
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
  '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
  '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
  '82 300CD (166 kmi)
  '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
  '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine
 
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[MBZ] 1985 300SD Primer pump leaks .

2007-08-31 Thread George Larribeau
I ordered a new primer pump from Rusty. The new one is different in that it 
does not appear to 'lock down' . The old one to use I would turn the plunger to 
unlock / unscrew) so it would pop up to be used. It was a light colored nylon 
looking thing. The new one is sort black and a bit 'squishy' it does not appear 
to lock. Plunger stays 'up' and can always be operated. 

 

Anything I need to know before I replaced it. ( the old one is bad enough that 
it may not survive removal and I don't want to have a dead car because of 
inexperience on my part.) In the past if that happened I would just stay on 2 
wheels till I got if fixed, but I had a wreck and got busted up and am still 
healing and am currently restricted to 'cages'



George Larribeau
Dallas Texas
 
 
1985 300SD 220K
1987 HD FLHTC 90K, Bent 2 I
1984 Motoguzzi Cal -2 80K
1972 Motoguzzi Ambassador LOTS
1965 Chevy C-10 pick up truck lots of miles 3rd small block ..(Extra
 Ugly,but runs)
 
 
1993 BMW 323i  125K (Wife's Car)
1967 BMW R50/2 (Wife's MC, currently in a Basket, Getting Better)
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300SD Primer pump leaks .

2007-08-31 Thread Frederick Moir
Geo. et al.
New style pump is direct replacement. stays ready to use and is sealed in use 
and standby
Hope you are feeling better.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
190DT bent
300TD
260E motor work.

George Larribeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ordered a new primer pump from 
Rusty. The new one is different in that it does not appear to 'lock down' .


   
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300SD Primer pump leaks .

2007-08-31 Thread Jim Cathey
 The new one is different...I need to know before I replace it.

It's a direct replacement, just go ahead.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal

2007-08-31 Thread JFreezn
 
In a message dated 8/30/2007 5:18:58 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

_http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-400-Series-E420-WDBEA34E8RC04407
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cmdZViewItem) 


Kaleb, and all,
 
As you know, the E420 is a little hot rod, just short of the 500Es of that  
era!  I like that color combination.  If it is as clean as it looks,  it will 
probably go for about 7K  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 267 K miles 
98 ML 320, 151 K  miles




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Re: [MBZ] Post Falls SL

2007-08-31 Thread Jim Cathey
Yesterday's gluing of the door pocket came out well, it looks good and
seems nice and strong.  Time for round two.  I cut two thin strips of
metal (stiffening spines from a wiper blade) to nestle into the ribs
at the top of the pocket and glued them in place over the break there.
(Shoe Goo, of course.)  I also ran a bead over the few remaining minor
cracks not covered by the metal sheet, and beaded over the metal's
edge anywhere it was still exposed.  This was set aside to dry.  The
vinyl repair on the door panel looked good too, so I used weatherstrip
cement and a bunch of tiny spring clamps to put back the edge I'd
peeled loose.

I then fixed the door check.  I found a 1.5 bolt with M8x1.25
threads that fit the roller perfectly.  When in position half the
roller would be on the non-threaded part, so that was good too.  I
threaded one of the two rivet holes in the spring-loaded arm in the
check and drilled the other hole out to fit the non-threaded shank.  I
then greased the roller and assembled it, using a lock nut to secure
it in place.  (You can't tighten it into the check because the roller
wouldn't spin if you do.)  Then I greased up the other roller and the
hinge joints and assembled it with the arm extended, as you do for the
other cars' door checks.  There, that's $170 I don't have to spend!

OK, what I _don't_ like about the 107 door check is getting it
into and out of the door.  What a PITA.  It came out with only
moderate difficulty yesterday because it was in two pieces, but
today...  I had to take the check back apart and assemble it with the
arm retracted, then dismount and shift the window lift mechanism in
order to get enough room to twist the thing through the tiny maze of
access holes to get it into place.  Then I had to he-man the arm back
out in order to get it into the frame hinge.  However, once it was all
installed it worked well.  It took longer to install the check than it
did to fix it.

Inside the door bottom I found another one of those plastic shields,
to go along with the window slider I'd already found.  So much for
using this door as a pattern for the other!

I put another dab of weatherstrip glue on the torn passenger-side soft
top window seal, since it was up, and took another stab at headlight
adjustment.  Some fool had managed to get some kind of plastic
material glued into the screws at the top of one of the headlights, I
had to take them apart and use a propane torch to soften it up enough
to dig it out.  Sheesh!  I left the headlight bezels off until I can
finish the dialing-in.  (And I really need to do some paint touch-up
under there too, both sides.)

-- Jim


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[MBZ] 107 soft top bolts

2007-08-31 Thread Jim Cathey
Has anybody here ever successfully removed one of
the large-headed bolts that are in the soft top
bow mechanism?  I've got a broken one to replace,
but nether end seems to want to budge.  I'm looking
for tips.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Door Checks [was: Re: Post Falls SL]

2007-08-31 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:23:43 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I then removed the broken door check.  That was, as is often the case,
 very difficult as the pin in the door frame was frozen.  Much work
 with the BFH and prybars was required.  Some more work with touch-up
 paint will now also be required.

On our W123, the driver's side door check door frame pin bracket has
broken loose from the frame. Since it's a U-shaped piece of steel whose
long, flat section is on the other side of the metal frame from the pin,
it's hard to repair.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Great lakes rare cars trucks

2007-08-31 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:58:02 -0400 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Speaking of open cars, ever see an Isetta roadster?
 Only $18k
 http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=BMI2290455

I haven't seen one of those in years. Would be a kick to tool around town
in one. They sure don't meet present safety standards!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] ignition switch

2007-08-31 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:27:14 -0400 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  SO, I go to start the car (300SD - just passed the 250K mark), and the
   key won't turn. 
 
 Wiggle the steering wheel while turning the key, do whatever you
 have to do, pound on the wheel to make it vibrate, anything.
 When you get it unlocked, do not lock it again.

In fact, removing the lock would be a good idea.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question

2007-08-31 Thread andrew strasfogel
It's ONLY a difficult job in the cramped engine bay of a W123 300CD coupe.
On other models even I can do the trick in 10 minutes.



On 8/31/07, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Woah, I literally, read this message, went on to the next one and then
 paused and said Was that the banned list?
 Then I came back to this message and realized we were talking about
 battery
 replacement.

 On THAT topic, I will also comment that I didn't think it was very
 difficult
 to change the battery in my 83' 300D...

 Levi

 On 8/31/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  10 minutes?  Takes me less than 2 minutes.
 
  ---
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  Cox Auto Trader
  730 FSBO Supervisor
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question
 
 
   WOW, I can RR a 123 battery in less than 10 mins.  I much prefer the
  pull
   out drop in of the 126.  Remove the air cleaner.  Have new rubber air
   cleaner mounts handy if yours are bad.
  
   Luther
  
   On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:46:37 -0500, andrew strasfogel
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Pull off the long rubber strip on the edge beneath the front w/s -
   that will help. This is a tough job!   It took the Mercedes Roadside
   tech 45 minutes to change the battery in her '85 300CD.  I came out
   ahead in that deal (battery cost $137 installed, IIRC)
  
  
  
  
  
   --
   Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
   '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
   '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
   '82 300CD (166 kmi)
   '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
   '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine
  
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Re: [MBZ] Door Checks [was: Re: Post Falls SL]

2007-08-31 Thread andrew strasfogel
Buy a new one?

On 8/31/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:23:43 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  I then removed the broken door check.  That was, as is often the case,
  very difficult as the pin in the door frame was frozen.  Much work
  with the BFH and prybars was required.  Some more work with touch-up
  paint will now also be required.

 On our W123, the driver's side door check door frame pin bracket has
 broken loose from the frame. Since it's a U-shaped piece of steel whose
 long, flat section is on the other side of the metal frame from the pin,
 it's hard to repair.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks,


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal

2007-08-31 Thread andrew strasfogel
It needs a blower motor.  Is that a big deal to replace?

On 8/31/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yea, I got my 94 E420 nearly free. Its quite a rocket.

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 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal


 
  In a message dated 8/30/2007 5:18:58 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
 _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-400-Series-E420-WDBEA34E8RC04407
  3_W0QQitemZ160152532698QQihZ006QQcategor
  yZ6335QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem_
  (
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  cmdZViewItem)
 
 
  Kaleb, and all,
 
  As you know, the E420 is a little hot rod, just short of the 500Es of
 that
  era!  I like that color combination.  If it is as clean as it looks,  it
  will
  probably go for about 7K
 
  Jim  Friesen
  Phoenix AZ
  79 300SD, 267 K miles
  98 ML 320, 151 K  miles
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal

2007-08-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Yea, I got my 94 E420 nearly free. Its quite a rocket.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal



 In a message dated 8/30/2007 5:18:58 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-400-Series-E420-WDBEA34E8RC04407
 3_W0QQitemZ160152532698QQihZ006QQcategor
 yZ6335QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem_
 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-400-Series-E420-WDBEA34E8RC044073_W0QQitemZ160152532698QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6335QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQ
 cmdZViewItem)


 Kaleb, and all,

 As you know, the E420 is a little hot rod, just short of the 500Es of that
 era!  I like that color combination.  If it is as clean as it looks,  it 
 will
 probably go for about 7K

 Jim  Friesen
 Phoenix AZ
 79 300SD, 267 K miles
 98 ML 320, 151 K  miles




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[MBZ] kind of O.T. Going Down to Polk County

2007-08-31 Thread Robert Rentfro
So LT Don..during the Ioway-Q.are you guys going to have a day trip down to
Polk County to witness some marriages?

 

Bob R.

31 days of 110+ degrees this year.

I want to be cold.

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Re: [MBZ] kind of O.T. Going Down to Polk County

2007-08-31 Thread Wonko the Sane
Only if any gay friends decide to tie the knot.

On 8/31/07, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So LT Don..during the Ioway-Q.are you guys going to have a day trip down
 to
 Polk County to witness some marriages?



 Bob R.

 31 days of 110+ degrees this year.

 I want to be cold.

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[MBZ] W124 blowers (was: this looks like it might be a hell of a deal)

2007-08-31 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 8/31/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It needs a blower motor.  Is that a big deal to replace?


Nah.  The wiper mechanism has to come out and a lot of fiddly trim
along with it.  It looks daunting, but only takes half an hour after
the first time.  Good time to check for disintegrating foam on the
recirc flap, which blows against the heater core and into the ducting,
making a smelly mess inside the car (ask me how I know!).

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] kind of O.T. Going Down to Polk County

2007-08-31 Thread Redghost
Might be getting more of that with this sort of thing in the world

 http://tinyurl.com/28qymj

Wonder if it would drive a pink benz


On 31 Aug 2007, at 10:52, Wonko the Sane wrote:

 Only if any gay friends decide to tie the knot.

 On 8/31/07, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So LT Don..during the Ioway-Q.are you guys going to have a day  
 trip down
 to
 Polk County to witness some marriages?



 Bob R.

 31 days of 110+ degrees this year.

 I want to be cold.

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1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Re: [MBZ] kind of O.T. Going Down to Polk County

2007-08-31 Thread R A Bennell


-Original Message-



 Bob R.

 31 days of 110+ degrees this year.

 I want to be cold.

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Come on up and visit me around Christmas time. Odds are, you will be cold 
enough then.

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Re: [MBZ] W124 blowers (was: this looks like it might be a hell of a deal)

2007-08-31 Thread John Robbins
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
   Nah.  The wiper mechanism has to come out and a lot of fiddly trim
 along with it.  It looks daunting, but only takes half an hour after
 the first time.  Good time to check for disintegrating foam on the
 recirc flap, which blows against the heater core and into the ducting,
 making a smelly mess inside the car (ask me how I know!).


Crap.  Every time I get any kind of heat out of the vents it reeks.  So 
what is making the smelly mess?  The melting foam?  Sure smells like 
burnt plastic now that I think about it.  Looks like I'll need to do 
this job then...  At least I'll get some coil cleaner on the A/C as well :)

John
'92 300D 2.5T
'87 300TDT


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Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question

2007-08-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
The engine bay should be the same as any other 123 isnt it?

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question


 It's ONLY a difficult job in the cramped engine bay of a W123 300CD coupe.
 On other models even I can do the trick in 10 minutes.


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Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal

2007-08-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
no, takes mayby 20 minutes.

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal


 It needs a blower motor.  Is that a big deal to replace?

 On 8/31/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yea, I got my 94 E420 nearly free. Its quite a rocket.

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 - Original Message -
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 Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal


 
  In a message dated 8/30/2007 5:18:58 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
 _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-400-Series-E420-WDBEA34E8RC04407
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  cmdZViewItem)
 
 
  Kaleb, and all,
 
  As you know, the E420 is a little hot rod, just short of the 500Es of
 that
  era!  I like that color combination.  If it is as clean as it looks, 
  it
  will
  probably go for about 7K
 
  Jim  Friesen
  Phoenix AZ
  79 300SD, 267 K miles
  98 ML 320, 151 K  miles
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question

2007-08-31 Thread Luther
it's identical.  Kaleb, can you get it out without removing the air cleaner?

Luther

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:58:50 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 The engine bay should be the same as any other 123 isnt it?

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 - Original Message -
 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question


 It's ONLY a difficult job in the cramped engine bay of a W123 300CD coupe.
 On other models even I can do the trick in 10 minutes.






-- 
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'87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
'82 300CD (166 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine

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Re: [MBZ] W124 blowers (was: this looks like it might be a hell of a deal)

2007-08-31 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 8/31/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Crap.  Every time I get any kind of heat out of the vents it reeks.  So
 what is making the smelly mess?  The melting foam?  Sure smells like
 burnt plastic now that I think about it.

Yes.  I spent months off and on chasing red herrings before I figured
it out.  One way to tell is to run your finger over the slats in the
side dash vents.  They will have a black, powdery build-up.  That's
the foam.  There is (more like was) a sheet of it glued to either
side of the recirculation flap, which closes off the blower box from
outside air.  You can't miss it once you have the blower out.  I
scraped off all of the rotten foam and much of the adhesive with a
putty knife and heat gun, then reglued a piece of some sort of surplus
compressible insulation material I had lying around---forget where it
came from, but it was supposed to be heat- and oil- resistant, so
should work OK.  Without something to replace the foam you remove, the
flap won't seal and the recirculation feature won't work very well (as
well as closing off outside air when you press the dash button, it is
also activated by the ACC brain to speed up heating or cooling when an
extreme outside temperature is detected).

  Looks like I'll need to do
 this job then...  At least I'll get some coil cleaner on the A/C as well :)

Good idea.  I scrubbed my evaporator off gently with Simple Green and
rinsed it repeatedly with water until the drains below the car ran
clean, which seemed to get rid of a lot of buildup.  The smell is much
better now.  I'm hoping it will attenuate over time since the source
of the foam is gone.  My theory is that particles of the foam pass
through the evaporator whenever the fan is on and are lodged in the
heater core, then melt there when the heat first comes on (which is
when I have noticed the strongest smell).  But there's no way to clean
the core without removing the dash.

Alex
'87 300D Turbo

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Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal

2007-08-31 Thread andrew strasfogel
If that's the case, it seems suspicious that he hasn't already replaced it.
He may be trying to use this as a way to mask a more serious problem, such
as no A/C.

I once purchased a 1976 300D that was missing its AC pulley belt.  After
purchasing the car, I had the belt installed but it immediately broke
because the rotary AC compressor was seized!


On 8/31/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 no, takes mayby 20 minutes.

 ---
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 Cox Auto Trader
 730 FSBO Supervisor

 - Original Message -
 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal


  It needs a blower motor.  Is that a big deal to replace?
 
  On 8/31/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Yea, I got my 94 E420 nearly free. Its quite a rocket.
 
  ---
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  Cox Auto Trader
  730 FSBO Supervisor
 
  - Original Message -
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal
 
 
  
   In a message dated 8/30/2007 5:18:58 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  
 
 _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-400-Series-E420-WDBEA34E8RC04407
   3_W0QQitemZ160152532698QQihZ006QQcategor
   yZ6335QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem_
   (
 
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   cmdZViewItem)
  
  
   Kaleb, and all,
  
   As you know, the E420 is a little hot rod, just short of the 500Es of
  that
   era!  I like that color combination.  If it is as clean as it looks,
   it
   will
   probably go for about 7K
  
   Jim  Friesen
   Phoenix AZ
   79 300SD, 267 K miles
   98 ML 320, 151 K  miles
  
  
  
  
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Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question

2007-08-31 Thread andrew strasfogel
The roominess around the battery of a 1985 300CD is defiitely more cramped
than a 1983 300TD, I can tell you that as a FACT.



On 8/31/07, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 it's identical.  Kaleb, can you get it out without removing the air
 cleaner?

 Luther

 On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:58:50 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The engine bay should be the same as any other 123 isnt it?
 
  ---
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  - Original Message -
  From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question
 
 
  It's ONLY a difficult job in the cramped engine bay of a W123 300CD
 coupe.
  On other models even I can do the trick in 10 minutes.
 
 
 



 --
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 '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
 '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
 '82 300CD (166 kmi)
 '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
 '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine

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[MBZ] And now for something completely.............

2007-08-31 Thread RELNGSON
No mention of oil leaks, cracked circuit boards or shoe goo, sorry..

http://home.uchicago.edu/~yli5/Flash/Fire.html

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question

2007-08-31 Thread Luther
Interesting, my '82 CD has the same configuration as my '82D, '85D, and dad's 
'85D-cali, and '85TD.  What gives?

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:29:55 -0500, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The roominess around the battery of a 1985 300CD is defiitely more cramped
 than a 1983 300TD, I can tell you that as a FACT.



 On 8/31/07, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 it's identical.  Kaleb, can you get it out without removing the air
 cleaner?

 Luther

 On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:58:50 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The engine bay should be the same as any other 123 isnt it?
 
  ---
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  - Original Message -
  From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question
 
 
  It's ONLY a difficult job in the cramped engine bay of a W123 300CD
 coupe.
  On other models even I can do the trick in 10 minutes.
 
 




-- 
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'87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
'82 300CD (166 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine

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Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question

2007-08-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
I have never removed an air cleaner to remove a battery, I dont see any 
reason to.

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question


 it's identical.  Kaleb, can you get it out without removing the air 
 cleaner?

 Luther

 On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:58:50 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The engine bay should be the same as any other 123 isnt it?

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Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question

2007-08-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
I dont really see how that could be.  A sedan, wagon, coupe are all the same 
from the windshield up.

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question


 The roominess around the battery of a 1985 300CD is defiitely more cramped
 than a 1983 300TD, I can tell you that as a FACT.


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Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question

2007-08-31 Thread John Robbins
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote:
 I dont really see how that could be.  A sedan, wagon, coupe are all the same 
 from the windshield up.

The California versions are different...


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Re: [MBZ] kind of O.T. Going Down to Polk County

2007-08-31 Thread Robert Rentfro
Amen

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Only if any gay friends decide to tie the knot.

On 8/31/07, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So LT Don..during the Ioway-Q.are you guys going to have a day trip down
 to
 Polk County to witness some marriages?



 Bob R.

 31 days of 110+ degrees this year.

 I want to be cold.

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Re: [MBZ] kind of O.T. Going Down to Polk County

2007-08-31 Thread Robert Rentfro
No doubt...

Everyone here starts reaching for a jacket at 65 degrees.

Bob R.



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-Original Message-



 Bob R.

 31 days of 110+ degrees this year.

 I want to be cold.

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Come on up and visit me around Christmas time. Odds are, you will be cold
enough then.

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Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question

2007-08-31 Thread ernest breakfield
FWIW, it wasn't difficult at all the change out the battery in my '85 
California 300D; only took a few minutes.


cheers!
e


John Robbins wrote:
 Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote:
   
 I dont really see how that could be.  A sedan, wagon, coupe are all the same 
 from the windshield up.
 

 The California versions are different...
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Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question

2007-08-31 Thread Tom Hargrave
They are not the same. The coup windshield has a steeper slope  the car has
a lower roof line, but they used the same piece of glass. Also, the back
window is slightly shorter because of the lower roof  the seats sit lower
to accommodate the lower roof line. I'm sure they also  did some juggling
around the rear of the engine compartment to accommodate the windshield
since the bottom edge would sit slightly more foreword.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question

I dont really see how that could be.  A sedan, wagon, coupe are all the same

from the windshield up.

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question


 The roominess around the battery of a 1985 300CD is defiitely more cramped
 than a 1983 300TD, I can tell you that as a FACT.


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Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question

2007-08-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
no, they are the same too.  They have a different air cleaner, but it is 
located up front, so there is even more room on those.

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '85 300CD battery question


 Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote:
 I dont really see how that could be.  A sedan, wagon, coupe are all the 
 same
 from the windshield up.

 The California versions are different...


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Re: [MBZ] Rear seal/yes it is tough to replace

2007-08-31 Thread Peter T . Arnold
The only auto miracle chemical that ever worked for me is NAPA's
engine seal rejuvenator.  I've fixed several cars with it that went
tens of thousands of miles afterworlds.

Stuff was very light, not viscous.  Cars had hydraulic lifter, no
problems.

Engine hot, pour stuff in, drive about 10 miles, let it sit o'nite.
seems that I had to retreat a few of the cars after a  couple oil
changes.

Worth a $5 try in my book.

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2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems!
1987 300SDL  280KMI  Inherited by Grandson
1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is!

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[MBZ] this might be worth something

2007-08-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-Mercedes-Benz-1300-SEI_W0QQitemZ270160883154QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6783QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal

2007-08-31 Thread Gary Thompson
The blower motor going out is what quickly lead to my evaporator
giving up the ghost. I wouldn't be surprised at all if his evaporator
was leaking big time as well. I've been three summers without A/C now
just waiting for the nerve to undertake an evaporatectomy. Problem is
that since I sold the 300D for a song a couple of years ago I have no
backup wheels. Once I tear this thing apart I'm grounded until I get
it back together.

There was a guy here in Austin trying to sell a 1995 E320 without air
for $2900. Of course it also had 197K miles on it. Makes me cry to see
these things cheaper than a 1979 300D...

Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 8/31/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If that's the case, it seems suspicious that he hasn't already replaced it.
 He may be trying to use this as a way to mask a more serious problem, such
 as no A/C.

 I once purchased a 1976 300D that was missing its AC pulley belt.  After
 purchasing the car, I had the belt installed but it immediately broke
 because the rotary AC compressor was seized!

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Re: [MBZ] this might be worth something

2007-08-31 Thread Rich Thomas
How ya goin ta git it outta there?

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Re: [MBZ] this might be worth something

2007-08-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Oh, Im not, but somebody might want it.

Rich Thomas wrote:
 How ya goin ta git it outta there?
 
 --R
 
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Re: [MBZ] Door Checks [was: Re: Post Falls SL]

2007-08-31 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:18:32 -0400 andrew strasfogel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 8/31/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On our W123, the driver's side door check door frame pin bracket has
  broken loose from the frame. Since it's a U-shaped piece of steel
  whose long, flat section is on the other side of the metal frame from
  the pin, it's hard to repair.
 
  Any suggestions?

 Buy a new one?

If I could put a new one in, I would have bought one already.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal

2007-08-31 Thread Jim Cathey
 I once purchased a 1976 300D that was missing its AC pulley belt.  
 After
 purchasing the car, I had the belt installed but it immediately broke
 because the rotary AC compressor was seized!

If the belt is missing, that's the first thing I assume!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Door Checks

2007-08-31 Thread Jim Cathey
 On our W123, the driver's side door check door frame pin bracket has
 broken loose from the frame. Since it's a U-shaped piece of steel whose
 long, flat section is on the other side of the metal frame from the 
 pin,
 it's hard to repair.

I think I've heard of people drilling a large-ish hole right between the
eyes and then welding through the hole (so to speak) to tack the hinge
bracket back down.  I'm not sure where the spot welds are officially
supposed to be, inboard or outboard of the hinge ears.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Door Checks

2007-08-31 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:46:50 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  On our W123, the driver's side door check door frame pin bracket has
  broken loose from the frame. Since it's a U-shaped piece of steel
  whose long, flat section is on the other side of the metal frame from
  the  pin,
  it's hard to repair.
 
 I think I've heard of people drilling a large-ish hole right between the
 eyes and then welding through the hole (so to speak) to tack the hinge
 bracket back down.  I'm not sure where the spot welds are officially
 supposed to be, inboard or outboard of the hinge ears.

I think they're in the middle, between the ears.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] this might be worth something

2007-08-31 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 8/31/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-Mercedes-Benz-1300-SEI_W0QQitemZ270160883154QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6783QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

So that's a long-wheelbase S-class with a 13-liter engine?  ;)

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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