Re: [MBZ] 220?
I don't remember any American muscle car having the ability to go over 140 MPH most would float long before 140 MPH. The issue is that the overall gear ratio would not support these speeds. The engine RPM would be so high that the rods would stretch the valves would float. My '84 Camaro? 143 indicated, and it wasn't all that inaccurate. Not enough HP to reach redline in 5th, though, IIRC it was 1000 shy. Probably just as well! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GTO fantasies
i knew a guy who had a very very fast and powerful chevy II. just a rocket ship. it had 4 wheel drum brakes. i drove it once and endlessly was shouted at to quit heatin up them brakes and lookout for the puddle. definitely not a comfortable experience. (same guy also had a custom built mazda cosmo which was actually pretty neat. i had a chance to buy it once, but the engine builder explained that he would kill us both if we started trading in that car, so we left it alone.) i once also drove a euro S600 that had about the same sort of get up and go as that chevy. only it actually had brakes, steering and a suspension as well. was comfortable after about 10 minutes and could have driven it the rest of my life. On 9/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The issue is that the overall gear ratio would not support these speeds. Not to mention the tires. And of course the brakes were teacup sized. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220?
most guys when they tell the fanciful tales of being chased by the po-lice back in the day in their muscle cars wouldn't generally claim any speeds about 160. the doraville police actually had a full size chevy cruiser than would do over 160 (radar verified. i think the number was 167). i haven't seen that car in many years though and sometimes wonder what happened to it. On 9/3/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't remember any American muscle car having the ability to go over 140 MPH most would float long before 140 MPH. The issue is that the overall gear ratio would not support these speeds. The engine RPM would be so high that the rods would stretch the valves would float. My '84 Camaro? 143 indicated, and it wasn't all that inaccurate. Not enough HP to reach redline in 5th, though, IIRC it was 1000 shy. Probably just as well! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Replenishing Fan Clutch Fluid/addendum
This was covered pretty well a while back by Jim C, I think. If I am giving credit to the wrong person, please correct me, I am going from an old fart's memory--mine! Maybe it was even on the Ridder list that I was kicked off of for using AOL! Reading my Spring, 07, issue of Corvette Restorer, they did a similar article calling them Schwitzer style fan clutches. They mentioned using the Toyota sourced oils in 3000, 6000, or 1 centistoke viscosities. They mentioned Mercedes and BMW owners were active in this pursuit. The added info suggests leaning towards the 3000 level, which would be the thickest, and sourcing your oil from a good hobby shop dealing in radio controlled cars. the 3000 level silicone fluid is used in the RC car differentials! The cost was quoted as $7 for 50ml, vs $15 for Toyota's 18ml bottle. Since an empty fan clutch may need 30 to 40ml, this could be a considerable cost savings, especially if it tends to leak out again over time. Maybe we should re-visit the whole procedure using the newly discovered silicone fluid. My 79 fan clutch definitely free wheels a lot, even on the hottest days. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dogs in German Cars
I look forward to seeing it. I love the look of our Dobie with head out of window of our 123. Class on Class. Brian On 9/2/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Kraly in Portland commented a few weeks ago about how his dog rode in his car. I finally had a camera along when driving and took a picture of ours. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dscn0003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 167703 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070902/1e6ac3c0/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dogs in German Cars
Just don't let him sit in the passengers seat, otherwise you'll get things said to you like nice girlfriend :-) I'm off to pet the pet now :-) English is a funny language Craig McCluskey wrote: Kevin Kraly in Portland commented a few weeks ago about how his dog rode in his car. I finally had a camera along when driving and took a picture of ours. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OM603 introduction
I have just purchased a W124 non turbo 300D ( OM603 ) and am keenly awaiting deliverly later today. Having grown up with OM617's ( and OM621 ) this is a major cultural adjustment for me . What are the important issues with these engines eg vacuunm pumps , timing chains , injector nozzles - ie how long do thaey last /when should they be changed. Is there a way of measuring chain stretch as in in Om617? Are there any online resources for the maintaince of these cars? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220?
Jim Cathey wrote: My '84 Camaro? 143 indicated, and it wasn't all that inaccurate. Not enough HP to reach redline in 5th, though, IIRC it was 1000 shy. Probably just as well! IIRC, IROC Camaros, Mustang GTs, Taurus SHOs, and Corvettes all had verified 140-150 mph top speeds in 1980s Road and Track road tests, with the SHO on the bottom of that range and the Vette on the top. I'm real skeptical as to Tom McCahill doing over 160 in a split window Vette and over 150 in a '63 ragtop Vette, but that's what it said in Mechanic's Illustrated. 300SL Gullwing and early 60's XKE also had unbelievable listed top speeds, I think they were both around 160. While 120hp can take a Saab 99EMS (with factory air dam) to 120 or so, and 93hp can take a Plymouth Horizon to 110+, there is a major difference in frontal area and/or coefficient of drag between my little four bangers and the muscle cars of the 60's and early 70's. BTW, I used to sometimes race the EMS against another 2 liter OHC four in a friend's 320i. If he got a perfect launch, he had me at the line, wheelspin was a problem in the Saab. I'd catch him about time we hit 60, and by the time I hit 80 he'd be fading fast in the mirrors. I always figured the BMW had a lot more drag than the Saab. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 92 2.5 turbo, no boost, vacuum etc
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Im sure I can figure out how to override the computer to close the wastegate, but the problem is, how to include overboost protection. Swapping in a pressure wastegate instead of a vacuum one makes sense, not sure exactly is there are parts available to do that or not. Just grab a pressure switch and switchover valve from a 617.95x. When the switchover valve cuts the ALDA signal, boost will come down. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GTO fantasies
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The issue is that the overall gear ratio would not support these speeds. Not to mention the tires. And of course the brakes were teacup sized. A 2003-2005 Chevy Cavalier has a small, low drag body and 140hp. Can probably do 135-140, just like a 190E 16V, but it's limited to 108 by computer. If you do a panic stop from 100, you will have gas from vaporiing front brake pads floating the pads off the disks before you get it stopped. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to joinKiva - populations discussion]
- Original Message - From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes but the big question is can we become masters of the climate or are we going to stand by like the dinosaurs did? Obviously not, we are to busy spending squillions on weapons research to come up with better ways of killing each other. Hang on, perhaps we can sell the idea that if we can control the climate it can be used as a weapon. Don't like the Ruskis? Easy, freeze em to death. Those funny Aussies starting to be a pain? Turn up the heat and watch em fry. China getting too big for their boots? Heat up the south and freeze the north and bomb the part in the middle. North Korea got the bomb or WMD's? Tooo easy, it's pretty cold there already. However to really get the ball rolling on this we have to convince the pentagon that Iran is doing research into climate control weapons. -- China is already doing weather control research. They are spending several million in order to keep it from raining during the Olympic games IIRC. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal
Yeah I know that, it's like when a dealer describes a car as immaculate inside and out. Immaculate except for the worn seats, rust and non working A/C without a belt on the compressor. Then has the audacity to describe my car as very average, which is as good as the one he is selling, if not better. With a working A/C. @^%$$*^% car dealers, they should all be shot at birth. Ooh no, now I've done it, 2000 posts coming up discussing which weapon is best for terminating car dealers. Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: Aw come on, you know that every used benz being sold with non working AC only needs a recharge...you aren't supposed to pay any attention to those silly locked up compressors or giant gaping holes in condensers and the like :-) -Robert During 60 years of fiddling with automobiles I thought I'd seen the lowest forms of auto dealer life, but I recently ran into one even lower. I emailed Tampa Hondaland while trying to find a good price for my grandson on a Honda. The next day my computer was absolutely flooded with every kind of spam imaginable. The dealers computer guy had apparently sold my address to some commercial spam outfit. I wrote a snail mail letter to the president/manager of Tampa Hondaland about it and never received a reply. Is Honda selling so many cars they can afford to let their dealers do this sort of thing? Sheesh! Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 introduction
Peter Merle wrote: I have just purchased a W124 non turbo 300D ( OM603 ) and am keenly awaiting deliverly later today. What are the important issues with these engines eg vacuunm pumps , timing chains , injector nozzles ? Injector nozzles should be about the same as the 617. What vintage is it? There were some cars sold in USA in the early 1990s with defective timing chains. I believe you measure the stretch in the same manner, comparing cam position to crank position. Vac pumps should be replaced at 250k km or so, when the bearings fail, they mess up the cam on the IP timer, and if the bearings get into the oil pump you have a major problem on your hands. Most of them in USA cars fail before 200,000 miles, so we try to swap them at 150,000. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to joinKiva - populations discussion]
Ahh yes that great communist state, getting just about as vain as the the US. archer wrote: -- China is already doing weather control research. They are spending several million in order to keep it from raining during the Olympic games IIRC. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220?
That was the 80's - we are discussing the muscle car era of the later 60's. Different technologies different times. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 8:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220? Jim Cathey wrote: My '84 Camaro? 143 indicated, and it wasn't all that inaccurate. Not enough HP to reach redline in 5th, though, IIRC it was 1000 shy. Probably just as well! IIRC, IROC Camaros, Mustang GTs, Taurus SHOs, and Corvettes all had verified 140-150 mph top speeds in 1980s Road and Track road tests, with the SHO on the bottom of that range and the Vette on the top. I'm real skeptical as to Tom McCahill doing over 160 in a split window Vette and over 150 in a '63 ragtop Vette, but that's what it said in Mechanic's Illustrated. 300SL Gullwing and early 60's XKE also had unbelievable listed top speeds, I think they were both around 160. While 120hp can take a Saab 99EMS (with factory air dam) to 120 or so, and 93hp can take a Plymouth Horizon to 110+, there is a major difference in frontal area and/or coefficient of drag between my little four bangers and the muscle cars of the 60's and early 70's. BTW, I used to sometimes race the EMS against another 2 liter OHC four in a friend's 320i. If he got a perfect launch, he had me at the line, wheelspin was a problem in the Saab. I'd catch him about time we hit 60, and by the time I hit 80 he'd be fading fast in the mirrors. I always figured the BMW had a lot more drag than the Saab. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal
Well, write a letter to Honda America and make them aware, that the manager chose not to respond to your letter of complaint. If Honda don't get back to you then you know that they are selling that much, that customer care can take a backseat. BTW how do you know that the spamming originated from that Honda dealer? archer wrote: During 60 years of fiddling with automobiles I thought I'd seen the lowest forms of auto dealer life, but I recently ran into one even lower. I emailed Tampa Hondaland while trying to find a good price for my grandson on a Honda. The next day my computer was absolutely flooded with every kind of spam imaginable. The dealers computer guy had apparently sold my address to some commercial spam outfit. I wrote a snail mail letter to the president/manager of Tampa Hondaland about it and never received a reply. Is Honda selling so many cars they can afford to let their dealers do this sort of thing? Sheesh! Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220?
So you are comparing the 6.3 to US cars or just being nostalgic? Tom Hargrave wrote: That was the 80's - we are discussing the muscle car era of the later 60's. Different technologies different times. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to
OMGwhat will algore do for a living? Guess all his carbon credits will be pretty much worthless soon. RE From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] H, that is one inconvenient truth! --R Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:38:33 -0500 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you've not been following the trends, most scientists are now jumping off the global warming band wagon. And the reason? All agree that the climate is changing but good scientific analysis cannot correlate human activity with climate change. The consensus is moving towards natural climate change, possibly long term cycles in weather that we are just beginning to understand. Things like Mars warming up at the same time are a pretty telling argument. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220?
Maybe, instead of hitting 220mph in a '68, what he meant to say was he hit 68mph in a 220... Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 8:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220? it's a ridiculous story. modern supercars mostly can't break the 200mph barrier but some low revving brick from the 60s could hit 220? it's insane. maybe 120. On 9/2/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't remember any American muscle car having the ability to go over 140 MPH most would float long before 140 MPH. The issue is that the overall gear ratio would not support these speeds. The engine RPM would be so high that the rods would stretch the valves would float. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:27 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220? You did 220 mph in a GTO? Geez, almost fast enough to catch all those fish that got away. :-) hee hee. Roll up your pants legs, it's too late to save your shoes. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Stupid stalling smoky TD's, yes we have them
http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?t=4240highlight= anyone with any thoughts, I am guessing ALDA but don't know enough about the set up. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replenishing Fan Clutch Fluid/addendum
I was kicked off years ago, rejoined. Left on my own not too long ago when anytime I posted anything my posts were help for moderator approval. Then when I tried to post a car for sale, I get 50 questions about if its mine or not etc. Then the final straw was when I was going to post some project cars I was basically accused of selling stolen cars by Hank. That was it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was covered pretty well a while back by Jim C, I think. If I am giving credit to the wrong person, please correct me, I am going from an old fart's memory--mine! Maybe it was even on the Ridder list that I was kicked off of for using AOL! -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 introduction
I dont really know much about the non-turbo 603 since we do not get them in the US. I do know on the turbo 603 the only real problem area to watch out for is cracking heads. Not sure if the non-turbo has that problem or not. Peter Merle wrote: I have just purchased a W124 non turbo 300D ( OM603 ) and am keenly awaiting deliverly later today. Having grown up with OM617's ( and OM621 ) this is a major cultural adjustment for me . What are the important issues with these engines eg vacuunm pumps , timing chains , injector nozzles - ie how long do thaey last /when should they be changed. Is there a way of measuring chain stretch as in in Om617? Are there any online resources for the maintaince of these cars? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220?
My 1959 220S will hit 100 MPH. My 1972 220D would do 80 MPH but it took a while to get there. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 9:23 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220? Maybe, instead of hitting 220mph in a '68, what he meant to say was he hit 68mph in a 220... Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 8:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220? it's a ridiculous story. modern supercars mostly can't break the 200mph barrier but some low revving brick from the 60s could hit 220? it's insane. maybe 120. On 9/2/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't remember any American muscle car having the ability to go over 140 MPH most would float long before 140 MPH. The issue is that the overall gear ratio would not support these speeds. The engine RPM would be so high that the rods would stretch the valves would float. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:27 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220? You did 220 mph in a GTO? Geez, almost fast enough to catch all those fish that got away. :-) hee hee. Roll up your pants legs, it's too late to save your shoes. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Was Now climate now Carbon Credits
I have a great idea - I can sell everyone carbon credits. I'll sell carbon credits, based on your estimated driving over the next year for $0.005 (half cent) per mile I'll even issue an official looking certificate. The certificate will be issued by the Carbon Credit Authority of North Alabama and will give you permission to drive your Mercedes for up to the miles recorded, not to exceed one year from the date issued. But drive over and you will be subject to a penalty of $1,000, payable in the form of US Dollars or recyclable engine oil or cut, delivered stacked firewood. I'll even make this legal by donating a small (very small) portion of the profit to some disserving third world country, probably China or California. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Royce Engler Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 9:21 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to OMGwhat will algore do for a living? Guess all his carbon credits will be pretty much worthless soon. RE From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] H, that is one inconvenient truth! --R Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:38:33 -0500 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you've not been following the trends, most scientists are now jumping off the global warming band wagon. And the reason? All agree that the climate is changing but good scientific analysis cannot correlate human activity with climate change. The consensus is moving towards natural climate change, possibly long term cycles in weather that we are just beginning to understand. Things like Mars warming up at the same time are a pretty telling argument. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal
Well, write a letter to Honda America and make them aware, that the manager chose not to respond to your letter of complaint. If Honda don't get back to you then you know that they are selling that much, that customer care can take a backseat. BTW how do you know that the spamming originated from that Honda dealer? --- I sent copies of the letter to Honda America and Honda in Japan as well. I never received a reply. I never have spam because cookies are always turned off, there is a good firewall, adaware, spybot, crapcleaner, etc.; and all I use this computer for is email to reputable websites, purchases, etc. The only unusual contact I had that day was the dealer. The flood of emails the next day had to be the dealer. archer wrote: During 60 years of fiddling with automobiles I thought I'd seen the lowest forms of auto dealer life, but I recently ran into one even lower. I emailed Tampa Hondaland while trying to find a good price for my grandson on a Honda. The next day my computer was absolutely flooded with every kind of spam imaginable. The dealers computer guy had apparently sold my address to some commercial spam outfit. I wrote a snail mail letter to the president/manager of Tampa Hondaland about it and never received a reply. Is Honda selling so many cars they can afford to let their dealers do this sort of thing? Sheesh! Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.2/985 - Release Date: 9/2/2007 4:32 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to joinKiva - populations discussion]
Do you think there's much danger of Australia eventually falling under the domination of China? I've read that there is quite a bit of Chinese immigration. Gerry - - Original Message - From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ahh yes that great communist state, getting just about as vain as the the US. archer wrote: -- China is already doing weather control research. They are spending several million in order to keep it from raining during the Olympic games IIRC. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replenishing Fan Clutch Fluid/addendum
Schwitzer style fan clutches. They mentioned using the Toyota sourced oils in 3000, 6000, or 1 centistoke viscosities. I found a source for a gallon of 12,500 cst oil, and had divvied it up by selling pints off to other guys interested in experimentation. The number goes up with increasing viscosity, and there was some thought that the 12.5k stuff (boob lube?) was perhaps too thick. I do not know if this was definitively established. I myself have not used my remaining pint for anything. Yet. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dogs in German Cars
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 01:31:29 -0700 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I look forward to seeing it. Check out the picture at the URL at the bottom of the email: Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070902/1e6ac3c0/attachment.jpg Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replenishing Fan Clutch Fluid/addendum
Oh, and my source at the time only offered 350, 1000, and 12500 viscosities. I sold the excess pints off for something like $10 each. Their price has gone up 50% since then. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220?
the doraville police actually had a full size chevy cruiser than would do over 160 (radar verified. i think the number was 167). i haven't seen that car in many years though and sometimes wonder what happened to it. Worked with a guy who grew up in Gawga, said he and his buddies were out one night in somebody's hot car and they passed a cop going the other way who slewed across the median to come after them. They decided to punch it and head for the next freeway exit, and were doing pretty good except that the cop got them anyway. Bet y'all didn't think I could catch you. They talked engines for awhile. But he didn't forget to give them a speeding ticket. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220?
i once got the speedo to read 90 on my 220D. i was flying! On 9/3/07, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe, instead of hitting 220mph in a '68, what he meant to say was he hit 68mph in a 220... Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 8:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220? it's a ridiculous story. modern supercars mostly can't break the 200mph barrier but some low revving brick from the 60s could hit 220? it's insane. maybe 120. On 9/2/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't remember any American muscle car having the ability to go over 140 MPH most would float long before 140 MPH. The issue is that the overall gear ratio would not support these speeds. The engine RPM would be so high that the rods would stretch the valves would float. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:27 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220? You did 220 mph in a GTO? Geez, almost fast enough to catch all those fish that got away. :-) hee hee. Roll up your pants legs, it's too late to save your shoes. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220?
there is a good deal of big time racing interest in north georgia. between road atlanta and dawsonville there are some guys who know how to build a powerful engine and create a fast car. On 9/3/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the doraville police actually had a full size chevy cruiser than would do over 160 (radar verified. i think the number was 167). i haven't seen that car in many years though and sometimes wonder what happened to it. Worked with a guy who grew up in Gawga, said he and his buddies were out one night in somebody's hot car and they passed a cop going the other way who slewed across the median to come after them. They decided to punch it and head for the next freeway exit, and were doing pretty good except that the cop got them anyway. Bet y'all didn't think I could catch you. They talked engines for awhile. But he didn't forget to give them a speeding ticket. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220?
Most American muscle cars are good at low speed acceleration and lousy on top end, but every once in a while you get someone who will forgo 0-60 in 3 sec for top speed. My brother built a 302 BOSS for his '65 Mercury Comet (a tin can car if there ever was one) -- and put 3.32 or so gears in it with a wide ratio BW T4 (I think -- the good one). Being young and stupid, he could actually outdrag the typical rich kids '80s Ferraris so long as the road was pretty wide -- the frame twisted so badly he only had one front tire actually touching the road most of the time. Don't think he ever found out what the top end was -- too scary in that car. The suspension was NOT adequate for the original 289, let along anything producing decent hp!. He worked for a while on a horse farm in Virginia for the Rich Folks, and since he could keep the owner's Ferrari running (dual point distributor and so forth) and had demonstrated that he could drive it, he got to use that for dates and high speed road driving. Lucky fool. Got 30 plus mpg in that old Comet, too, on the highway.Sold it when it was getting hard to get the doors open and closed, and needed a pickup. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replenishing Fan Clutch Fluid/addendum/correction
In a message dated 9/3/2007 8:29:49 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I found a source for a gallon of 12,500 cst oil, and had divvied it up by selling pints off to other guys interested in experimentation. The number goes up with increasing viscosity, and there was some thought that the 12.5k stuff (boob lube?) was perhaps too thick. I do not know if this was definitively established. I myself have not used my remaining pint for anything. Yet. Thanks for the input, Jim, I thought it was your project, even if you haven't done one yet! I stand corrected as to the thickness (viscosity) increases with the number, just like oil. 3000 cs silicone should flow into the tiny hole much easier that 12.5K cs, though it MAY leak out easier too. The article mentions heating the fan clutch gently to about 225 degrees before adding the fluid into the clutch. It also suggested adding fluid in 4ml packets, then spinning it to see if it is coupling up. With the control pin removed, coupling would be maximized, something you probably can feel. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 introduction
Peter Merle wrote: I have just purchased a W124 non turbo 300D ( OM603 ) and am keenly awaiting deliverly later today. Having grown up with OM617's ( and OM621 ) this is a major cultural adjustment for me . What are the important issues with these engines eg vacuunm pumps , timing chains , injector nozzles - ie how long do thaey last /when should they be changed. Is there a way of measuring chain stretch as in in Om617? Are there any online resources for the maintaince of these cars? Courtesy of Dave M. http://www.w124performance.com/images/W124_stuff/124.1x3_buying_tips.txt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 92 2.5 turbo, no boost, vacuum etc
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Im sure I can figure out how to override the computer to close the wastegate, but the problem is, how to include overboost protection. Swapping in a pressure wastegate instead of a vacuum one makes sense, not sure exactly is there are parts available to do that or not. There was a thread on MB Shop about this a while back... and the only solution was a different turbo, IIRC. The thing is the wastegate is not an on/off device. It is open different amounts for different engine conditions, so just getting the computer to close the wastegate won't work. If you want to fab your own wastegate actuator out of another turbo's (pressure controlled) actuator you could probably do that. Overboost protection could be done the same way as it is on cars prior (OM603, OM617, etc). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stupid stalling smoky TD's, yes we have them
In a message dated 9/3/2007 7:23:59 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: anyone with any thoughts, I am guessing ALDA but don't know enough about the set up. That sure sounds like a fuel shortage and the cannister filter is the most likely suspect, followed by the in tank screen strainer. He says he changed the disposable filter and I guess he means the one at the transfer pump inlet. Cracked flexible fuel lines in the transfer piping may also be letting air into the system. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Diesels in Nascar
Howdy - Now that Audi has shown total domination for several years now using a V10 TDI Diesel to win LeMans and other endurance races with a purpose to raise awareness of the diesel technology now available. They were said to desire to make countries - especially the US - aware of the diesels ability to offer dramatic fuel mileage with performance equal to or better than their gas counterparts. Now that the background is out of the way (Whew!) here;s my question. Since the US population is infinitely more aware of the goings on in Nascar, has anyone heard if Audi or others plan to compete in Nascar with a diesel? That would really seem to be a better way to reach a large number of Americans than endurance racing. Don't know what's legal/illegal to run in N'car but perhaps the V10 Audi has used so far would work in Nascar? Or perhaps the rules are written to prevent someone from running a diesel? I would think GM or Ford could really gain some ground on the competition if they could market a strong diesel to the public that would offer better performance than some of the hybrids being marketed. Anyone know? Just curious - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal
archer wrote: The flood of emails the next day had to be the dealer. I once got in a usenet spat with somebody, and hours later, my 25mb mailbox runneth over. For a while, I had trouble downloading the emails fast enough to keep my good emails from bouncing due to a full mailbox. I of course thought the person from my net rage incident was responsible. It turned out to be the biggest virus outbreak the internet had ever seen, and the timing was just a coincidence. I wish I could remember when that was, maybe 2003? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hosed by Honda dealer - sold address to spammers.
Years ago, I was ripped off big time by a VW dealer on a repair. I wrote to Volkswagen of America. They wrote back about how all the dealers were independent businessmen, etc., and they had no way to discipline or even influence the dealers' ways of doing things. Sorry Charlie, you got screwed. Nothing we can do about that. That was VW of America's attitude. It will be interesting to see if Honda is any different. Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Subject: Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal Well, write a letter to Honda America and make them aware, that the manager chose not to respond to your letter of complaint. If Honda don't get back to you then you know that they are selling that much, that customer care can take a backseat. BTW how do you know that the spamming originated from that Honda dealer? archer wrote: During 60 years of fiddling with automobiles I thought I'd seen the lowest forms of auto dealer life, but I recently ran into one even lower. I emailed Tampa Hondaland while trying to find a good price for my grandson on a Honda. The next day my computer was absolutely flooded with every kind of spam imaginable. The dealers computer guy had apparently sold my address to some commercial spam outfit. I wrote a snail mail letter to the president/manager of Tampa Hondaland about it and never received a reply. Is Honda selling so many cars they can afford to let their dealers do this sort of thing? Sheesh! Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels in Nascar
LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or perhaps the rules are written to prevent someone from running a diesel? I think they are. I know little about NASCAR, so I might not have the particulars correct, but I do think that the fuel (ethanol I believe), the engine displacement, carburetors, etc. are all very tightly controlled so as to make all the cars nearly equal in terms of engine performance. The idea being if all the cars are the same, then the best driver will win. Similar regulations exist for the profile of the car, the rear spoiler, etc. There's really nothing stock about NASCAR cars anymore. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dogs in German Cars
Hilarious! Doesn't look comfortable. Also, congratulations on having manual windows! Brian On 9/3/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 01:31:29 -0700 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I look forward to seeing it. Check out the picture at the URL at the bottom of the email: Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070902/1e6ac3c0/attachment.jpg Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dogs in German Cars
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:19:05 -0700 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hilarious! Doesn't look comfortable. She apparently thinks it is, since that is one of her preferred back seat positions. Also, congratulations on having manual windows! Thanks. That's because our normally-aspirated 300D was a 240D originally. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate
Do you think there's much danger of Australia eventually falling under the domination of China? I've read that there is quite a bit of Chinese immigration. Gerry Domination in what regard? In terms of immigration, there is typically a mixing with the host. People go somewhere else to better themselves and/or future generations; there is a blending, assimilation and (I'd say) an enrichment of the culture as a whole. But how about economic domination? There is so much US debt (and currency) held by China that the US is already under the influence of Beijing. And our consumer markets are certainly reliant on (one might even say addicted to) China for cheap goods. At least for now. It is eye opening to see a government predicated on centralized planning and control attempt to ride the rodeo bull that is the Chinese economy. There are 1+ billion people aspiring to a Western standard of living and consumption that this one planet most likely doesn't have the resources to support, at least if fueled by energy supplied by fossil fuels. And most of those 1+ billion aspire to drive Buicks! Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels in Nascar
I think they are. I know little about NASCAR, so I might not have the particulars correct, but I do think that the fuel (ethanol I believe), the engine displacement, carburetors, etc. are all very tightly controlled so as to make all the cars nearly equal in terms of engine performance. Allan- I fall into the same camp of NASCAR knowledge. But I do dimly recall in my yout seeing Richard Petty in some of his last races, which took place in cars I could recognize from street versions. With first the replacement of cars by skins on tube-frame versions and now the Car of Tomorrow exactly what on a stock car today might even POSSIBLY appear on a car that you might find on the street? I sure don't see anything beyond the stickers. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva -populations discussion
Tom wrote:most scientists are now jumping off the global warming band wagon. Actually, the majority of scientist have been undecided or in disagreement with the sky is falling crowd for a long time. The way the initial report was written had a summary written that distorted the findings. Since few are going to spend the time to read the 1200 pg report they depended on the summary which was written *after* a large number of scientiist has signed off on the report. Even that great bastion of Liberal Causes, the BBC, has produced a video called, The Global Warming Scam. It goes thru the evidence step-by-step and rebutes each one. It's usually on the various video providers - If you cannot find it let me know I'll upload it - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva -populations discussion In case you've not been following the trends, most scientists are now jumping off the global warming band wagon. And the reason? All agree that the climate is changing but good scientific analysis cannot correlate human activity with climate change. The consensus is moving towards natural climate change, possibly long term cycles in weather that we are just beginning to understand. Also, the two smoking guns have been disproved, or at least disassociated. The first, that the hottest year in history occurred in the last 20 years (1988, from memory?) was disproved this year. NASA just recently reviewed their records discovered that the hottest 2 years were 1930 and 1931. The second, that the greenhouse gas CO2 that's supposed to be causing the whole thing is not in high enough concentration to cause a rise in atmospheric temperature. Unlike oxygen, which is somewhere around 31% (from memory), atmospheric CO2 is in the PPM range. There is also a theory gaining popularity that states that the rise in CO2 is due to CO2 being released from the oceans as they warm. If this is true then the rise in CO2 levels is the results of temperature rise and not the cause for temperature rise. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 3:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva - populations discussion Problem is, you start elevating the level of living of the other 90%, they are gonna want cars, computers, air conditioning, microwave ovens, washing machines, Playstations, Lombards, etc etc, and then global climate change is going to accelerate because they sure ain't gonna be using PV arrays on the roofs of their Priuses or buying carbon offsets from Algore. (cf. China and India). So, best to keep them down where they are, burning cow dung (no net CO2 inputs!) for fuel. It's best for their future, you know. --R billr wrote: We have been over this territory about a year ago, but I'll jump in here this time. In general you make some good points. For population discussions you need to remember that in areas with no social safety net children are the only answer to watching yourself starve to death when you can't grow your own food due to age, illness or weather. In terms of the latter, you might also lose a few of the children. Given such choices, and knowing all the girls would be moving to another home and at least some of the boys would die as infants or children would you chose to have only one or two children? 10 kids = 5 of each, and the girls will leave = 5 boys, with perhaps two dying prior to being able to farm. 3 is a 'safe' number as long as there is no warfare and they are willing to stay on the farm instead of moving to the city [doesn't happen much anymore]. Prior to suggesting controls on those who have so many children make sure you would be willing to starve and watch your spouse starve in order to keep the population low. I'll forgo comments on the state of medical care in the 2/3rds of the world that is poor, or the economic history of such regions, but you are certainly correct that it is the relative inequity of access to resources and lifestyle that feed the problem. BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 2, 2007 9:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, it's the earn a living argument. In the sub-Sahara, earning a living is
[MBZ] Hosed by Honda dealer - sold address to spammers.
In reviewing the emails from Hondaland, I noticed that one had a line at the bottom of the page I missed on first reading. Here is the email: Thanks for your inquiry and interest in purchasing a Honda. I wanted to take a moment and tell you just a few of the benefits of buying a vehicle from Tampa Honda Land...snip Blather about Hondas.snip. Now is the time to come in and see me!. I look forward to assisting you with your automotive needs. Then at the bottom of the page was this line: Please reply to this message with a subject line of 'U-N-S-U-B-S-C-R-I-B-E' to stop receiving mass emails. . That brings up an interesting question. Are these people running a spam mailing operation out of their dealership? The spam is about everything under the sun; not just about stuff related to automobiles. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D - From: Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Years ago, I was ripped off big time by a VW dealer on a repair. I wrote to Volkswagen of America. They wrote back about how all the dealers were independent businessmen, etc., and they had no way to discipline or even influence the dealers' ways of doing things. Sorry Charlie, you got screwed. Nothing we can do about that. That was VW of America's attitude. It will be interesting to see if Honda is any different. Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Subject: Re: [MBZ] this looks like it might be a hell of a deal Well, write a letter to Honda America and make them aware, that the manager chose not to respond to your letter of complaint. If Honda don't get back to you then you know that they are selling that much, that customer care can take a backseat. BTW how do you know that the spamming originated from that Honda dealer? archer wrote: During 60 years of fiddling with automobiles I thought I'd seen the lowest forms of auto dealer life, but I recently ran into one even lower. I emailed Tampa Hondaland while trying to find a good price for my grandson on a Honda. The next day my computer was absolutely flooded with every kind of spam imaginable. The dealers computer guy had apparently sold my address to some commercial spam outfit. I wrote a snail mail letter to the president/manager of Tampa Hondaland about it and never received a reply. Is Honda selling so many cars they can afford to let their dealers do this sort of thing? Sheesh! Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.2/985 - Release Date: 9/2/2007 4:32 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Diesels in Nascar
If Audi has any plans pertinent to Nascar (bumper car racing), they'd better dig out the old Panzerwagon plans. Though Michael Schumacher never raced in Nascar, I wonder if that's where he got his ideas on sportsman like racing . . . and the FIA let him get away with it all those years? G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hosed by Honda dealer - sold address to spammers.
archer wrote: Please reply to this message with a subject line of 'U-N-S-U-B-S-C-R-I-B-E' to stop receiving mass emails. . To me, that says you will be getting weekly sales flyers from the dealership if you don't unsubscribe. I asked a certain dealer for a quote via GM Buypower. The terms of the Buypower web site demand that the dealer's internet rep give you their lowest price. Other dealers had typically quoted me a price near the GM supplier discount price, with me not having a supplier discount coupon. The response I got from this dealer was the MSRP. My reply was that I already knew the MSRP. Their next response was to tell me that they intended to sell it for MSRP, but they could do me a favor and maybe knock off $200. When I didn't respond, a salesjerk called me at home. I immediately hung up on him. They have sent me an email flyer once or twice a month for a couple of years now. I consider it my reminder of which dealer never to do business with. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to
Meanwhile, the West is burning up, there are record heat waves, and the French wine grape harvest is starting 2 months earlier than it was in the 70s. It's far more likely that Al Gore will be remembered as a visionary rather than the butt of jokes. On 9/3/07, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMGwhat will algore do for a living? Guess all his carbon credits will be pretty much worthless soon. RE From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] H, that is one inconvenient truth! --R Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:38:33 -0500 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you've not been following the trends, most scientists are now jumping off the global warming band wagon. And the reason? All agree that the climate is changing but good scientific analysis cannot correlate human activity with climate change. The consensus is moving towards natural climate change, possibly long term cycles in weather that we are just beginning to understand. Things like Mars warming up at the same time are a pretty telling argument. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to joinKiva - populations discussion]
Australia exports millions of tons of coal to China. On 9/3/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you think there's much danger of Australia eventually falling under the domination of China? I've read that there is quite a bit of Chinese immigration. Gerry - - Original Message - From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ahh yes that great communist state, getting just about as vain as the the US. archer wrote: -- China is already doing weather control research. They are spending several million in order to keep it from raining during the Olympic games IIRC. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate
Do you think there's much danger of Australia eventually falling under the domination of China? I've read that there is quite a bit of Chinese immigration. Gerry --- Domination in what regard? --- G: Economic, and eventually military intimidation. I'm thinking long term after the export driven Chinese economic bubble, based on credit, subsides (if it does). In terms of immigration, there is typically a mixing with the host. People go somewhere else to better themselves and/or future generations; there is a blending, assimilation and (I'd say) an enrichment of the culture as a whole. But how about economic domination? There is so much US debt (and currency) held by China that the US is already under the influence of Beijing. And our consumer markets are certainly reliant on (one might even say addicted to) China for cheap goods. --- I wouldn't call it economic domination; more of a Mexican standoff. If China sold it's U.S. T-bonds and dollars it would hurt them as much as it would hurt the U.S. and it wouldn't take the U.S. with its huge GDP as long to recover as it would China. --- At least for now. It is eye opening to see a government predicated on centralized planning and control attempt to ride the rodeo bull that is the Chinese economy. There are 1+ billion people aspiring to a Western standard of living and consumption that this one planet most likely doesn't have the resources to support, at least if fueled by energy supplied by fossil fuels. And most of those 1+ billion aspire to drive Buicks! Tony Wirtel - It's an interesting situation. During the 1930s before WW-2 Japan was shipping large quantities of manufactured goods to the U.S.; toys, footwear, etc.; and there were similar complaints about Japan as there are nowadays about China. And, of course, there was a similar situation with Japan during the 1970s, but Japan was buying hotels and factories with their American dollars. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to
The hottest year on record was '31-'32 - not in the 80s as reported previously. NASA has revisited the data and found errors resulting in a change in the timing. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to Meanwhile, the West is burning up, there are record heat waves, and the French wine grape harvest is starting 2 months earlier than it was in the 70s. It's far more likely that Al Gore will be remembered as a visionary rather than the butt of jokes. On 9/3/07, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMGwhat will algore do for a living? Guess all his carbon credits will be pretty much worthless soon. RE From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] H, that is one inconvenient truth! --R Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:38:33 -0500 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you've not been following the trends, most scientists are now jumping off the global warming band wagon. And the reason? All agree that the climate is changing but good scientific analysis cannot correlate human activity with climate change. The consensus is moving towards natural climate change, possibly long term cycles in weather that we are just beginning to understand. Things like Mars warming up at the same time are a pretty telling argument. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 9:31 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels in Nascar
Not sure about the current rules, but used to be nascar had to be 'merican stock body shape, and engine had to remotely resemble a block available in production for said body style. Under that, a diesel would have to be available as a production run ( not option ) for the car. However under the new rules, I don't think anyone has any idea what the actual manufacturer qualifications are, but the new cars, are all seriously castrated. When the cars started getting too light for the speeds a few years back, they started cutting them back, now the new ones have brought mediocrity to new levels. Modern nascar races are about as exciting as watching grass grow, of course, with enough cheap 'merican beer in your gut, I guess it's alright :-) As far as being 'merican, Toyota has wormed their way around that one for the Nascar truck series since they assemble them here ( not that they care about nascar, but they want the TV camera focused on their big stickers being drilled into the eyes of potential truck buyers with guts stuffed with aforementioned cheap beer ) Last I heard, they didn't get off to a very good start while at the first race, getting busted for cheating and being the recipient of one of, if not the largest , fine in nascar history. ---Robert LarryT wrote: Howdy - Now that Audi has shown total domination for several years now using a V10 TDI Diesel to win LeMans and other endurance races with a purpose to raise awareness of the diesel technology now available. They were said to desire to make countries - especially the US - aware of the diesels ability to offer dramatic fuel mileage with performance equal to or better than their gas counterparts. Now that the background is out of the way (Whew!) here;s my question. Since the US population is infinitely more aware of the goings on in Nascar, has anyone heard if Audi or others plan to compete in Nascar with a diesel? That would really seem to be a better way to reach a large number of Americans than endurance racing. Don't know what's legal/illegal to run in N'car but perhaps the V10 Audi has used so far would work in Nascar? Or perhaps the rules are written to prevent someone from running a diesel? I would think GM or Ford could really gain some ground on the competition if they could market a strong diesel to the public that would offer better performance than some of the hybrids being marketed. Anyone know? Just curious - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] China takeover
Do you think there's much danger of Australia eventually falling under the domination of China? I've read that there is quite a bit of Chinese immigration. Right after Vancouver BC. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] China takeover
i remember seeing Jackie chan in rumble in the bronx. boy was i unhappy when i realized it was being shot in vancouver! On 9/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you think there's much danger of Australia eventually falling under the domination of China? I've read that there is quite a bit of Chinese immigration. Right after Vancouver BC. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to
I don't think that those who are arguing against global warming are disputing the fact that it's getting warmer, just the correlation between rising temperature human activity. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 3:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to Meanwhile, the West is burning up, there are record heat waves, and the French wine grape harvest is starting 2 months earlier than it was in the 70s. It's far more likely that Al Gore will be remembered as a visionary rather than the butt of jokes. On 9/3/07, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMGwhat will algore do for a living? Guess all his carbon credits will be pretty much worthless soon. RE From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] H, that is one inconvenient truth! --R Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:38:33 -0500 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you've not been following the trends, most scientists are now jumping off the global warming band wagon. And the reason? All agree that the climate is changing but good scientific analysis cannot correlate human activity with climate change. The consensus is moving towards natural climate change, possibly long term cycles in weather that we are just beginning to understand. Things like Mars warming up at the same time are a pretty telling argument. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva -populations discussion
Anyone interested needs to read the following link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1350746/posts Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: LarryT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 2:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva -populations discussion Tom wrote:most scientists are now jumping off the global warming band wagon. Actually, the majority of scientist have been undecided or in disagreement with the sky is falling crowd for a long time. The way the initial report was written had a summary written that distorted the findings. Since few are going to spend the time to read the 1200 pg report they depended on the summary which was written *after* a large number of scientiist has signed off on the report. Even that great bastion of Liberal Causes, the BBC, has produced a video called, The Global Warming Scam. It goes thru the evidence step-by-step and rebutes each one. It's usually on the various video providers - If you cannot find it let me know I'll upload it - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva -populations discussion In case you've not been following the trends, most scientists are now jumping off the global warming band wagon. And the reason? All agree that the climate is changing but good scientific analysis cannot correlate human activity with climate change. The consensus is moving towards natural climate change, possibly long term cycles in weather that we are just beginning to understand. Also, the two smoking guns have been disproved, or at least disassociated. The first, that the hottest year in history occurred in the last 20 years (1988, from memory?) was disproved this year. NASA just recently reviewed their records discovered that the hottest 2 years were 1930 and 1931. The second, that the greenhouse gas CO2 that's supposed to be causing the whole thing is not in high enough concentration to cause a rise in atmospheric temperature. Unlike oxygen, which is somewhere around 31% (from memory), atmospheric CO2 is in the PPM range. There is also a theory gaining popularity that states that the rise in CO2 is due to CO2 being released from the oceans as they warm. If this is true then the rise in CO2 levels is the results of temperature rise and not the cause for temperature rise. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 3:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva - populations discussion Problem is, you start elevating the level of living of the other 90%, they are gonna want cars, computers, air conditioning, microwave ovens, washing machines, Playstations, Lombards, etc etc, and then global climate change is going to accelerate because they sure ain't gonna be using PV arrays on the roofs of their Priuses or buying carbon offsets from Algore. (cf. China and India). So, best to keep them down where they are, burning cow dung (no net CO2 inputs!) for fuel. It's best for their future, you know. --R billr wrote: We have been over this territory about a year ago, but I'll jump in here this time. In general you make some good points. For population discussions you need to remember that in areas with no social safety net children are the only answer to watching yourself starve to death when you can't grow your own food due to age, illness or weather. In terms of the latter, you might also lose a few of the children. Given such choices, and knowing all the girls would be moving to another home and at least some of the boys would die as infants or children would you chose to have only one or two children? 10 kids = 5 of each, and the girls will leave = 5 boys, with perhaps two dying prior to being able to farm. 3 is a 'safe' number as long as there is no warfare and they are willing to stay on the farm instead of moving to the city [doesn't happen much anymore]. Prior to suggesting controls on those who have so many children make sure you would be willing to starve and watch your spouse starve in order to keep the population low. I'll forgo comments on the state of medical care in the 2/3rds of the world that is poor, or the economic history of such regions, but you are certainly correct that it is the relative inequity of access to resources
[MBZ] I dont know why, but this reminds me of Hurst
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[MBZ] anybody need a cheap wagon?
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Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva -populations discussion
I read that some of the early scientists who signed on are suing to have thier names remvoed from the report. Ed 300E On 03/09/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom wrote:most scientists are now jumping off the global warming band wagon. Actually, the majority of scientist have been undecided or in disagreement with the sky is falling crowd for a long time. The way the initial report was written had a summary written that distorted the findings. Since few are going to spend the time to read the 1200 pg report they depended on the summary which was written *after* a large number of scientiist has signed off on the report. Even that great bastion of Liberal Causes, the BBC, has produced a video called, The Global Warming Scam. It goes thru the evidence step-by-step and rebutes each one. It's usually on the various video providers - If you cannot find it let me know I'll upload it - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva -populations discussion In case you've not been following the trends, most scientists are now jumping off the global warming band wagon. And the reason? All agree that the climate is changing but good scientific analysis cannot correlate human activity with climate change. The consensus is moving towards natural climate change, possibly long term cycles in weather that we are just beginning to understand. Also, the two smoking guns have been disproved, or at least disassociated. The first, that the hottest year in history occurred in the last 20 years (1988, from memory?) was disproved this year. NASA just recently reviewed their records discovered that the hottest 2 years were 1930 and 1931. The second, that the greenhouse gas CO2 that's supposed to be causing the whole thing is not in high enough concentration to cause a rise in atmospheric temperature. Unlike oxygen, which is somewhere around 31% (from memory), atmospheric CO2 is in the PPM range. There is also a theory gaining popularity that states that the rise in CO2 is due to CO2 being released from the oceans as they warm. If this is true then the rise in CO2 levels is the results of temperature rise and not the cause for temperature rise. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 3:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva - populations discussion Problem is, you start elevating the level of living of the other 90%, they are gonna want cars, computers, air conditioning, microwave ovens, washing machines, Playstations, Lombards, etc etc, and then global climate change is going to accelerate because they sure ain't gonna be using PV arrays on the roofs of their Priuses or buying carbon offsets from Algore. (cf. China and India). So, best to keep them down where they are, burning cow dung (no net CO2 inputs!) for fuel. It's best for their future, you know. --R billr wrote: We have been over this territory about a year ago, but I'll jump in here this time. In general you make some good points. For population discussions you need to remember that in areas with no social safety net children are the only answer to watching yourself starve to death when you can't grow your own food due to age, illness or weather. In terms of the latter, you might also lose a few of the children. Given such choices, and knowing all the girls would be moving to another home and at least some of the boys would die as infants or children would you chose to have only one or two children? 10 kids = 5 of each, and the girls will leave = 5 boys, with perhaps two dying prior to being able to farm. 3 is a 'safe' number as long as there is no warfare and they are willing to stay on the farm instead of moving to the city [doesn't happen much anymore]. Prior to suggesting controls on those who have so many children make sure you would be willing to starve and watch your spouse starve in order to keep the population low. I'll forgo comments on the state of medical care in the 2/3rds of the world that is poor, or the economic history of such regions, but you are certainly correct that it is the relative inequity of access to resources and lifestyle that feed the problem. BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] GTO fantasies
I have a chev Cav, trust me, with or without computer limiter, it won't do 140 mph or anywere near it!! They often limit top speed in really fast cars to keep the green guys happy, or in other cars due to tire limitations. I don't think either is an issue wiht the Cav. hee hee Ed 300E On 03/09/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The issue is that the overall gear ratio would not support these speeds. Not to mention the tires. And of course the brakes were teacup sized. A 2003-2005 Chevy Cavalier has a small, low drag body and 140hp. Can probably do 135-140, just like a 190E 16V, but it's limited to 108 by computer. If you do a panic stop from 100, you will have gas from vaporiing front brake pads floating the pads off the disks before you get it stopped. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220?
double the HP to get to 180, quad it to get to 200, and who know how much more to get to 220 mph. But more than a stock GTO has I'm sure.. :-) then there is the issue of keeping the thing on the ground and the tires on the rims. Ed 300E My '84 Camaro? 143 indicated, and it wasn't all that inaccurate. Not enough HP to reach redline in 5th, though, IIRC it was 1000 shy. Probably just as well! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1979 240D over heating
car has 132,000 miles. Have what appears to be a blown head gasket. Trying to locate cause for over heating and the root of the problem. Question, how does one know water pump is working right. or at all by looking? No strange sounds of broken impellars Belts are tight and turn. Pumrp was replaced 5,000 miles ago. No leaks. Thermostate tested shrinks and expands when heated. Radiator cap is fine. Hoses fine. Radiator clean. thanks Tom Scordato ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to joinKiva - populations discussion]
Who knows, they have bucket loads of money and are using that to further their interest around the world. Yesterday the Chinese president was in Western Australia checking out mines, so I dare say that they will be investing heavily in ensuring a supply of raw materials, the problem we are having is getting the manpower on the ground to dig the stuff out. Unfortunately Australia has a history of doing the easy thing, the easy thing being that we supply China et al with raw materials and our manufacturing industry goes to the dogs. Our politicians are too gutless to put pressure on China in regard to human rights/basic wages and as a result China sees Australia as being soft and will probably have the upper hand in the future. This leading to an interference in our domestic politics. Whereas China is sensitive to outside interference I do not see them being as touchy when it comes to them meddling in other countries politics. No I don't think that there is a disproportional amount of Chinese immigration, Australia is a very xenophobic country but I suppose it is attractive to have 'guest workers' do the hard yakka while we sit on the beach and relax. archer wrote: Do you think there's much danger of Australia eventually falling under the domination of China? I've read that there is quite a bit of Chinese immigration. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 560 back on the road, almost
Well, after sitting around for probably a couple of years, I finally fixed the transmission fluid leak. Doesnt seem to be leaking now. Washed it and its looking good again. Took it for a drive and the speedometer is not working. I replaced the oring for the rear pump. Dont think that has anything to do with the speedo drive. Have not pulled the cluster yet. Dont see why it would die though from just sitting. Anybody got any ideas there? Also, under any load at all, pings quite a bit. Assume from the old gas? Am I assuming correct? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 back on the road, almost
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Also, under any load at all, pings quite a bit. Assume from the old gas? Am I assuming correct? I tanked the 16v up with premium in October 2005. Until last week the tank contained over 90% 2005 gas. Stumbles sometimes at 1500 rpm or so, but never pinged. It's got about 50% new gas in it now, runs slightly better. When the low fuel light comes on I want to dump in 12oz of Techron and five gallons of fresh gas. Is the old gas in the 560 regular? Isn't your speedo electric? Maybe a bad ground in the cluster? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stupid stalling smoky TD's, yes we have them
Hmmnh, well yes I suppose it is possible due to drawing maximum fuel, however my experience is that blocked filters don't come and go and generally tend to lead to a gradual loss of performance. That is why I was thinking altitude compensator. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sure sounds like a fuel shortage and the cannister filter is the most likely suspect, followed by the in tank screen strainer. He says he changed the disposable filter and I guess he means the one at the transfer pump inlet. Cracked flexible fuel lines in the transfer piping may also be letting air into the system. Jim Friesen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to joinKiva - populations discussion]
And loads of other raw materials, China has just overtaken Japan as our major trading partner. andrew strasfogel wrote: Australia exports millions of tons of coal to China ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hosed by Honda dealer - sold address to spammers.
But the problem is that these dealers represent VW (and other car makers) and the way they treat their customers reflects on the brand as a whole and as such I would think that in their franchise agreement that there would be minimum performance standards that have to be met. Also I think it is BS that they have no way of influencing the dealers, what about withdrawing the right to sell their cars? They are doing themselves no favors, it is just as easy to write a letter saying that they care very much about their customers and potential customers and will make every effort to rectify the situation. Whether they do or not does not matter, it is the perception that they care that is important. Just to say there is nothing we can do, so why don't you get stuffed is not a way of building brand loyalty. We all know that MB dealers can be so so and some will judge you on how you look but VW used to be the peoples car. Robert Bigham wrote: Years ago, I was ripped off big time by a VW dealer on a repair. I wrote to Volkswagen of America. They wrote back about how all the dealers were independent businessmen, etc., and they had no way to discipline or even influence the dealers' ways of doing things. Sorry Charlie, you got screwed. Nothing we can do about that. That was VW of America's attitude. It will be interesting to see if Honda is any different. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate
On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Meanwhile, the West is burning up, there are record heat waves, and the French wine grape harvest is starting 2 months earlier than it was in the 70s. It's far more likely that Al Gore will be remembered as a visionary rather than the butt of jokes. On 9/3/07, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMGwhat will algore do for a living? Guess all his carbon credits will be pretty much worthless soon. RE From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] H, that is one inconvenient truth! --R Let's seeinvented the internet, was the inspiration for Love Storysomehow I don't see algore being remembered as anything but a joke. RE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you tojoinKiva - populations discussion]
Do their exports balance? Gerry Australia exports millions of tons of coal to China. On 9/3/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you think there's much danger of Australia eventually falling under the domination of China? I've read that there is quite a bit of Chinese immigration. Gerry - - Original Message - From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ahh yes that great communist state, getting just about as vain as the the US. archer wrote: -- China is already doing weather control research. They are spending several million in order to keep it from raining during the Olympic games IIRC. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to
So because it is not humans causing GW it is alright and we can keep driving 6 liter SUV's? What we need is a huge air conditioner to cool the planet down :-) The only thing more amazing than the ingenuity of mankind is the stupidity of mankind. Tom Hargrave wrote: I don't think that those who are arguing against global warming are disputing the fact that it's getting warmer, just the correlation between rising temperature human activity. Thanks, Tom Hargrave ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wiper arm won't go back down 190D
Does anyone know the answer to this? Really don't want to drive the car unti it gets resolved. Brian On 9/2/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order to wash the windshield, I pulled the wiper arm up away from the glass thinking it would stay up there like most imports do. But it really stayed up there. I tried to gently push it down, and I heard a sort of platicky snapping sound like stripping something out. I hope this is normal and there is a secret way to release the wiper arm so it goes back into place ?? Brian 87 190D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wiper arm won't go back down 190D
I don't have a 190D but I suspect the wiper arms are similar. The wiper on my 240D and 300D both make a snapping sound when I push them down. It's probably the spring in the wiper arm doing the snapping. If yours should happen to be defective, you can take off the arm and buy a new one for ten or fifteen dollars. A wrench or pair of pliers is all that's needed to remove a nut on mine and off it comes. Gerry Archer - - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know the answer to this? Really don't want to drive the car unti it gets resolved. Brian On 9/2/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order to wash the windshield, I pulled the wiper arm up away from the glass thinking it would stay up there like most imports do. But it really stayed up there. I tried to gently push it down, and I heard a sort of platicky snapping sound like stripping something out. I hope this is normal and there is a secret way to release the wiper arm so it goes back into place Brian 87 190D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to
Our dependence on oil is an entire nother story. Providing we can find a way to power your 6 liter SUV with a renewable resource, then why not? It's also interesting that you mentioned that we need a huge AC to cool the planet. In other words, we should find a way to intervene without understanding full impact of global warming and the repercussions of our actions? Our history is full of repercussions of our actions, the most obvious to me is the kudzu that growing rampant in my back yard because we (Humans) decided that kudzu would make great ground cover and animal feed. The stuff grows so fast that you can watch it grow. Then there's the deer that are running rampant up and down the East Coast because we (Humans) thought it was proper to kill off their natural predators, the American Wolf. There are 100's of similar published examples of Human intervention. And now you expect Humans to fiddle with the climate? The whole idea scares the h*ll out of me! Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: Hendrik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 8:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to So because it is not humans causing GW it is alright and we can keep driving 6 liter SUV's? What we need is a huge air conditioner to cool the planet down :-) The only thing more amazing than the ingenuity of mankind is the stupidity of mankind. Tom Hargrave wrote: I don't think that those who are arguing against global warming are disputing the fact that it's getting warmer, just the correlation between rising temperature human activity. Thanks, Tom Hargrave ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 back on the road, almost
Im betting last time it was filled up was with regular. It runs fine, idles fine, still have plenty of power, although maybe not 100% like a 560 should, but pings bad. I would image its got to be the gas. Yes, the speedo is electric. I did check to make sure the wire at the tranny was intact. Will pull the cluster next chance I get. Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Also, under any load at all, pings quite a bit. Assume from the old gas? Am I assuming correct? I tanked the 16v up with premium in October 2005. Until last week the tank contained over 90% 2005 gas. Stumbles sometimes at 1500 rpm or so, but never pinged. It's got about 50% new gas in it now, runs slightly better. When the low fuel light comes on I want to dump in 12oz of Techron and five gallons of fresh gas. Is the old gas in the 560 regular? Isn't your speedo electric? Maybe a bad ground in the cluster? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to joinKiva - populations discussion]
If Wal-Mart were a country, they would be China's 6th largest trading partner. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hendrik Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 8:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to joinKiva - populations discussion] And loads of other raw materials, China has just overtaken Japan as our major trading partner. andrew strasfogel wrote: Australia exports millions of tons of coal to China ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wiper arm won't go back down 190D
archer wrote: I don't have a 190D but I suspect the wiper arms are similar. 190D has the monowiper. IIRC, when I pulled the wiper assy from my 190D to send to Berryman, I had the same issue as Brian. When I forced it down, it was OK, but doing it was quite scary. Since I no longer have a spare, Brian's email did not prompt me to go lift the arm on the 16v and see what happened. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 back on the road, almost
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Im betting last time it was filled up was with regular. How long would it take to use a SEL load of gas in the lawnmower or some non mbz car? I probably should have run the 190E gas through the mowers, I'd have it gone by now if I used it that way this year. It wouldn't be much of a waste to run $2.45 premium in the mowers. (less of a waste than if those 20 gallons of 2 year old fuel gum up my Bosch KE injection system) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a cheap wagon?
Yes I need a cheap wagon, could you convert it to RHD and send it over? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-1989-MERCEDES-300TE-WAGON-ONLY-1-495-WOW_W0QQitemZ220146489735QQihZ012QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was climate, now AlGoreJr
Royce Engler wrote: Let's seeinvented the internet, was the inspiration for Love Storysomehow I don't see algore being remembered as anything but a joke. http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.asp ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a cheap wagon?
Hendrik wrote: Yes I need a cheap wagon, could you convert it to RHD and send it over? Do we need to replace the slightly tinted factory glass with perfectly clear stuff to let the harsh sun in full force, and swap out the factory seat belts for those 'dreadful Aussie things'? I'm trying to remember what Brit made those complaints about a car he took down under in the 1970's, maybe Rob Walker? I think the car was a Benz, maybe a W116. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 back on the road, almost
probably not long. Dont really think there is much fuel in the tank, maybe 1/4 tank. Will probably just go to town and fill it up with fresh fuel, maybe put an additive in. Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Im betting last time it was filled up was with regular. How long would it take to use a SEL load of gas in the lawnmower or some non mbz car? I probably should have run the 190E gas through the mowers, I'd have it gone by now if I used it that way this year. It wouldn't be much of a waste to run $2.45 premium in the mowers. (less of a waste than if those 20 gallons of 2 year old fuel gum up my Bosch KE injection system) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 back on the road, almost
Maybe check the injector spray pattern. They gum up when they sit. Had that with the 911 once. would start and idle ok, but under load, just couldn't deliver the required fuel. Once cleaned, felt like an extra 100 hp, and no pinging. Ed 300E On 03/09/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im betting last time it was filled up was with regular. It runs fine, idles fine, still have plenty of power, although maybe not 100% like a 560 should, but pings bad. I would image its got to be the gas. Yes, the speedo is electric. I did check to make sure the wire at the tranny was intact. Will pull the cluster next chance I get. Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Also, under any load at all, pings quite a bit. Assume from the old gas? Am I assuming correct? I tanked the 16v up with premium in October 2005. Until last week the tank contained over 90% 2005 gas. Stumbles sometimes at 1500 rpm or so, but never pinged. It's got about 50% new gas in it now, runs slightly better. When the low fuel light comes on I want to dump in 12oz of Techron and five gallons of fresh gas. Is the old gas in the 560 regular? Isn't your speedo electric? Maybe a bad ground in the cluster? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 back on the road, almost
Water and rust are likely in the tank by now --- On 9/3/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: probably not long. Dont really think there is much fuel in the tank, maybe 1/4 tank. Will probably just go to town and fill it up with fresh fuel, maybe put an additive in. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 back on the road, almost
dont think so, although its possible. Been down that road before and it doesnt seem like it OK Don wrote: Water and rust are likely in the tank by now --- On 9/3/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: probably not long. Dont really think there is much fuel in the tank, maybe 1/4 tank. Will probably just go to town and fill it up with fresh fuel, maybe put an additive in. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a cheap wagon?
No No No, I'll take care of that but you could fix the rust up for me. Ta very mucho Mitch Haley wrote: Hendrik wrote: Yes I need a cheap wagon, could you convert it to RHD and send it over? Do we need to replace the slightly tinted factory glass with perfectly clear stuff to let the harsh sun in full force, and swap out the factory seat belts for those 'dreadful Aussie things'? I'm trying to remember what Brit made those complaints about a car he took down under in the 1970's, maybe Rob Walker? I think the car was a Benz, maybe a W116. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I dont know why, but this reminds me of Hurst
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:39:12 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300D-1976-300-d-diesel-show-car-no-reserve-graet-condition_W0QQitemZ320154418179QQihZ011QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem He says, All undercarriage is chromed, but there are no pictures of the undercarriage. Hmmm ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was climate, now AlGoreJr
Ok, so Tipper likes to crank up the air conditioning even on mild days. Show me a wife who doesn't (including mine)? On 9/3/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Royce Engler wrote: Let's seeinvented the internet, was the inspiration for Love Storysomehow I don't see algore being remembered as anything but a joke. http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.asp ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to
I think you just summed up the whole issue. On 9/3/07, Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only thing more amazing than the ingenuity of mankind is the stupidity of mankind. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
