Re: [MBZ] OT Saab two-strokes (was 2-stroke diesels)
OK Don wrote: I owned at Sonett III, '74, It was a very fun car. Would have been more fun with more power though. The Ford V4 was mostly interchangeable with the Ford 2800 V6 used in the imported Capri. You just had to find someplace else to put the radiator because the V6 is one cylinder bank longer. Also, race tuned V4s can make upwards of 150hp. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
Could also be had in the model 96 up until (I think) '64 or so. I'm sort of on the lookout for one. Either that or the v4. Jay Leno has a good video of his 92 on his website jaylenosgarage.com -Curt Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:14:17 -0500 From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That would be the engine -- three cylinders, two-cycle, 20 horsepower. But more fun than a man should have with his pants on. D. On 9/20/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC, the flat rate time for a major overhaul of the Saab engine was 8 hours. There was a time when the 3 cyl. Saab engine with a bit of tuning was popular in a Lotus 11 chassis. On 9/20/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A two-stroke has a definite cool factor to it. I can still remember driving my first MIL's two-stroke Saab (93 I think, help me out here Chip) in the early 70s, and at the time it was a well-used vehicle. Four on the column, shifted from 3rd to 4th at 30 mph going downhill. It just radiated (as my college-age step-daughter would say) uber cool. First wife loved telling me about going to the gas station and being stopped by the expert running the station when she started to pour a can of Saab-approved 2-cycle oil into the fuel tank. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Saab two-strokes (was 2-stroke diesels)
Try this one, 2 stroke Saab on the dyno http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFPjY_shAUUmode=relatedsearch= -Curt Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:16:21 -0700 From: Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT Saab two-strokes (was 2-stroke diesels) To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 my dad had a saab dealership in albuquerque in the mid 60's and picked up a 65 Saab 96 for my mom which she drove until the early 80's. Lots of memories of that car. saw this on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXVRdSbKDT8 -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 107 parts needed
A friend of mine has a 78 450SL. I think it is a turd, but he is fixing everything on it and trying to make it perfect. (he has more money than sense). Anyway, he needs the two sun visors (black), the driver's arms rest (the part that curves) and other interior parts. Does anyone have any of these? If you sell my friend some parts, don't tell him I said it was a turd. He is very proud of it. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 92 2.5 Turbo IP
Just talked to Scott. Check the lift pump pressure, this would give all the same symptoms. Pull the line from the main fuel filter and check the pressure. Should be 10-15psi from the lift pump. About the rack position sensor$698.50 for the sensor and Scott's never seen one bad He did say that the one that's dumping fuel into the crankcase would be a $500 rebuild. On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:01:50 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0400075929, thats the bosch number on the tag. Let me know what you find out. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 92 2.5 Turbo IP p/n? Luther On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:28:54 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea, its going to have to come apart. Let me get the part number and see what you can come up with. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Saab two-strokes (was 2-stroke diesels)
OK Don wrote: The original Sonett had the 3 cyl. 2 cycle engine. I doubted that, so I looked it up in the two stroke engine table at http://www.vsaab.com. Turns out the 850 engine from the Monte Carlo was used in the 1966 and 1967 Sonett II (kind of an ugly car, but I'd still like to have one, simply because it's bizarre. The 850MC engine was rated at 60hp (SAE gross, I'm sure). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] PS fluid question
Is Mobil 1 ATF acceptable in the newer (ie, 92 300D) PS pumps? I've always used Mobil 1 ATF... but I've heard some people say that only power steering fluid should be used. Thanks! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 107 parts needed
A friend of mine has a 78 450SL. I think it is a turd, but he is fixing everything on it and trying to make it perfect. Make him read the current Cathey SL saga. You too can invest hundreds of hours and countless dollars in order to end up with a car that'll be worth maybe 4500 or so. (OK, so far I'm only up to 86 hours or so, and about $50, but I'm being careful with the money. It helps to be handy. And fearless.) The thing is, it only hurts if you try to make it into more than it is. I'm having fun turning this basket case (but rust-free, and sound) into a decent inexpensive convertible. Car-proud? Spend more money and get a good one to start with. I'm not afraid to drive this one in the rain! When I'm done fixing it up I sell it. (Or turn it into an RV toad, but my wife is resistant.) The saga: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/SL2.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 107 parts needed
A friend of mine has a 78 450SL. I think it is a turd, but he is fixing everything on it and trying to make it perfect. (he has more money than sense). Anyway, he needs the two sun visors (black), the driver's arms rest (the part that curves) and other interior parts. Does anyone have any of these? Nobody has visors, unless they're from a wreck where they had replaced them with new prior to the wreck. The foam decomposes, the things end up like sawdust-filled socks with a coat hanger stuck inside. (Such as mine in the 380, or the ones in the 450 prior to their being replaced with new.) They're not cheap, new. I think I got the 450's from Performance Products when they were having a sale. Armrests can be easily re-covered. Chrome seat hinge covers are always broken and/or gone, you just have to buy new ones through your favorite parts supplier. Shiny turds are my specialty. Just takes a lot of polish! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 107 parts needed
Donald Snook wrote: A friend of mine has a 78 450SL. I think it is a turd, but he is fixing everything on it and trying to make it perfect. Make him read the current Cathey SL saga. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 107 parts needed
...he needs the two sun visors (black)... If authenticity is not your aim, your favorite auto upholstery shop can make some out of vinyl-covered cardboard (traditional US visors of yore) that'll fold over the spines from the dead originals. Not too expensive at all. Just measure the originals for size and then remove the spine and let them build around that. Don't let them cover the whole thing, they end up too big. (And how do I know that you ask? :-) The plastic retention clips, both sides, are available aftermarket, newly-manufactured and everything. $50 for the set of four pieces. I'm toying with this approach for the 380. Haven't decided yet. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Saab two-strokes (was 2-stroke diesels)
Monte Carlo engines had tri-carbs, one for each hole! Monster noise with air cleaner off! Pete -- Original message -- From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK Don wrote: The original Sonett had the 3 cyl. 2 cycle engine. I doubted that, so I looked it up in the two stroke engine table at http://www.vsaab.com. Turns out the 850 engine from the Monte Carlo was used in the 1966 and 1967 Sonett II (kind of an ugly car, but I'd still like to have one, simply because it's bizarre. The 850MC engine was rated at 60hp (SAE gross, I'm sure). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 107 parts needed
Jim wrote:You too can invest hundreds of hours and countless dollars in order to end up with a car that'll be worth maybe 4500or so. ( Don;t forget they handle like buckets on ice skates are underpowered and rust when there's clouds on the horizon. Never could figure out why some women go crazy over them -- Between the 280SL Pagoda roof and the mid 90s SL redesign was an ocean of poor design. IMHO. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 107 parts needed A friend of mine has a 78 450SL. I think it is a turd, but he is fixing everything on it and trying to make it perfect. Make him read the current Cathey SL saga. You too can invest hundreds of hours and countless dollars in order to end up with a car that'll be worth maybe 4500 or so. (OK, so far I'm only up to 86 hours or so, and about $50, but I'm being careful with the money. It helps to be handy. And fearless.) The thing is, it only hurts if you try to make it into more than it is. I'm having fun turning this basket case (but rust-free, and sound) into a decent inexpensive convertible. Car-proud? Spend more money and get a good one to start with. I'm not afraid to drive this one in the rain! When I'm done fixing it up I sell it. (Or turn it into an RV toad, but my wife is resistant.) The saga: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/SL2.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Exhaust
My rear muffler/resonator had rust thru holes in the leading edge. Considering the miles I expect it to last it was a relative bargain at $190 from Rusty - that's another advantage Diesels have over gassers - the soot coating the inside of the exhaust makes them last a very long time. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Exhaust I don't know about ceramic in there, but given what a pain it would be to try and weld that thin old flex, and that it wouldn't likely last more than a week, I broke down and bought the new pipe section when faced with that problem. ---Robert John Robbins wrote: John Robbins wrote: The car has developed an exhaust leak Lets try again (somehow managed to mash a keyboard shortcut) The car has developed an exhaust leak on the flex pipe... Since I don't have a welder, and don't want to replace the whole thing took it to a shop to get it replaced. They gave me some line about it having ceramic mixed in it, and that it would cost $400 to replace. Looking at Rusty's site it is a little over $100 for the whole 'header pipe' (turbo to center muffler)... so is there really ceramic stuff mixed in? Seems to me like I just got fed a line of bull John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.25/1018 - Release Date: 9/19/2007 3:59 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 92 2.5 Turbo IP
Maybe I should send in the one dumping the fuel. The rack sensor on it is good. The rack sensor on the other one tested bad. I have never seen one bad either but its for sure bad. What would I need to do to get that one rebuilt? Ship it to you and you take it down there? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 92 2.5 Turbo IP Just talked to Scott. Check the lift pump pressure, this would give all the same symptoms. Pull the line from the main fuel filter and check the pressure. Should be 10-15psi from the lift pump. About the rack position sensor$698.50 for the sensor and Scott's never seen one bad He did say that the one that's dumping fuel into the crankcase would be a $500 rebuild. On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:01:50 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0400075929, thats the bosch number on the tag. Let me know what you find out. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 92 2.5 Turbo IP p/n? Luther On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:28:54 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea, its going to have to come apart. Let me get the part number and see what you can come up with. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] M103 vs OM603 vs OM617: Help me decide
Gang, Recently transferred from Toronto to the SF Bay area for a couple of years. I'm trying to control myself as I look at all the car candy on craigslist and in local dealer lots. Although I am an MB diesel nutter, I have been tempted by the straight-6 300SE/L W126 machines. They seem to be plentiful and cheap. So far I've stuck to OM617 engines, and in fact to W123 models because they are simple and indestructible. Since my focus for the last 10+ years has been on diesel engines, I've not really paid attention to gassers, but it seems like the M103 engine is pretty good. I lust after a 300SDL (except the 3.5, obviously), but I'm afraid of all the trouble people seem to have with the OM603 engines, especially head cracks, failing tensioners, and engine management issues. I was talking to someone this a.m. who was selling an SDL. 170k.mi, $6k. The engine had overheated and a machine shop welded the head etc. Almost no mileage since the rebuild. I presume this approach will not last, and that there is trouble waiting in the wings on that car... So what's the deal? Is the M103 a good machine (as good as the venerable M110), or am I just as well with an OM603.961? D. PS: For torture, look at pics of the stunningly gorgeous W116 for sale on http://www.misterdiesel.com If only I could afford it... -- David Bruckmann, Palo Alto, CA Current Reality: 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) Goettin 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (145,000 km) Piaf http://dolly.bruckmann.com/ Shady Past: 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000km) 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) Sieglinde 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km) Diva 1981 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000km) 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) Gertraud 1985 Toyota Camry The Slamry (330,000km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km) 2002 VW Golf GLS TDI (74,000 km) -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo?
howdy - Have located a 83 300D Turbo needing AT work. My 78 240D AT works fine - will I be able to transplant the 78 240 into the 83 300Turbo? I know I'll need to modify my AT to accept the 300D vacuum controls but other than that? Have only driven by to look at it - still need details on what is wrong with the 300 tranny -- Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M103 vs OM603 vs OM617: Help me decide
David Bruckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what's the deal? Is the M103 a good machine (as good as the venerable M110), or am I just as well with an OM603.961? I've heard it is. Valve stem seals may be an issue. I don't have any firsthand experience though. PS: For torture, look at pics of the stunningly gorgeous W116 for sale on http://www.misterdiesel.com If only I could afford it... $18,500!?! he's insane. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo?
no, you cant use it. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo? howdy - Have located a 83 300D Turbo needing AT work. My 78 240D AT works fine - will I be able to transplant the 78 240 into the 83 300Turbo? I know I'll need to modify my AT to accept the 300D vacuum controls but other than that? Have only driven by to look at it - still need details on what is wrong with the 300 tranny -- Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo?
thx - will have to find another way -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo? no, you cant use it. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo? howdy - Have located a 83 300D Turbo needing AT work. My 78 240D AT works fine - will I be able to transplant the 78 240 into the 83 300Turbo? I know I'll need to modify my AT to accept the 300D vacuum controls but other than that? Have only driven by to look at it - still need details on what is wrong with the 300 tranny -- Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo?
Maybe it's the B2 piston problem, if so it would be a relatively easy and cheap fix. Allan LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: thx - will have to find another way -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo? no, you cant use it. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo? howdy - Have located a 83 300D Turbo needing AT work. My 78 240D AT works fine - will I be able to transplant the 78 240 into the 83 300Turbo? I know I'll need to modify my AT to accept the 300D vacuum controls but other than that? Have only driven by to look at it - still need details on what is wrong with the 300 tranny -- -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo?
That's where you have reverse but no forward speeds? And it would apply to an 83 300D? Thx -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo? Maybe it's the B2 piston problem, if so it would be a relatively easy and cheap fix. Allan LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: thx - will have to find another way -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo? no, you cant use it. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo? howdy - Have located a 83 300D Turbo needing AT work. My 78 240D AT works fine - will I be able to transplant the 78 240 into the 83 300Turbo? I know I'll need to modify my AT to accept the 300D vacuum controls but other than that? Have only driven by to look at it - still need details on what is wrong with the 300 tranny -- -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo?
yes, and yes --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo? That's where you have reverse but no forward speeds? And it would apply to an 83 300D? Thx -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo? Maybe it's the B2 piston problem, if so it would be a relatively easy and cheap fix. Allan LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: thx - will have to find another way -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo? no, you cant use it. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [MBZ] 78 240D AT fit 83 300D Turbo? howdy - Have located a 83 300D Turbo needing AT work. My 78 240D AT works fine - will I be able to transplant the 78 240 into the 83 300Turbo? I know I'll need to modify my AT to accept the 300D vacuum controls but other than that? Have only driven by to look at it - still need details on what is wrong with the 300 tranny -- -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
Okay, so is the removal of the headliner simply to gain access to something to grab ahold of and pull? If so, I might consider using a suction cup (cheap dent puller dealy) and trying to pull from the outside. Brian On 9/19/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 240D played that game too. Take the sunroof headliner down, you might have to open it a bit more to do so but thats okay. Now run it as closed as it'll get, theres a bar across the sunroof that the cable attaches to. Hold the sunroof button with one hand, grab the bar right at the cable with the other and force it closed. Moving the bar should force the rear of the sunroof up. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M103 vs OM603 vs OM617: Help me decide
Nice but breathless, lousy milage from too small an engine. The SDL is a better buy IF it has a new head. I've never heard of anyone successfully welding those up. New head will be good for about 300,000 more miles. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS fluid question
Power steering fluid it transmission fluid that has been packaged in small, expensive cans. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 9:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] PS fluid question Is Mobil 1 ATF acceptable in the newer (ie, 92 300D) PS pumps? I've always used Mobil 1 ATF... but I've heard some people say that only power steering fluid should be used. Thanks! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M103 vs OM603 vs OM617: Help me decide
Hi, All, David Allan. The 260E ( 198Kmi.) M103.960, that was given to me with 5 cyl. is now running smooth and quiet on all six and burns no oil (M1 15W50) Problem was #6 cyl. had a burnt exh valve. Also found that both sets of guides were very worn, all exh. valves had a groove around the sealing face, about 8 to 10 thou. Replaced. All of the valve stem oil seals were akin to cheap plastic. The rear oil feed to the valve assy. was properly sealed, I checked because it is a known leaker, either into the water or out the pass. rear of the head. Only real difficulty was getting the air intake support brackets back on. (Grumble grumble, gettin' too old for this sh-tuff.) YMMV Fred Moir But it's NOT a Diesel! Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Bruckmann writes: So what's the deal? Is the M103 a good machine (as good as the venerable M110), or am I just as well with an OM603.961? I've heard it is. Valve stem seals may be an issue. I don't have any firsthand experience though. - Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M103 vs OM603 vs OM617: Help me decide
anybody want to give me a quick walk though of changing valve guides and also the stem seals?? I'm sure mine are about due wiht 340,000 on them. :-) Have an idea about the stem seals, but would like to hear all tips? Never did valve guides and not even sure it's a do it your self job? Willing to give it a shot if there is anyway to do it. :-) Thanks in advance, Ed 300E On 21/09/2007, Frederick Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, All, David Allan. The 260E ( 198Kmi.) M103.960, that was given to me with 5 cyl. is now running smooth and quiet on all six and burns no oil (M1 15W50) Problem was #6 cyl. had a burnt exh valve. Also found that both sets of guides were very worn, all exh. valves had a groove around the sealing face, about 8 to 10 thou. Replaced. All of the valve stem oil seals were akin to cheap plastic. The rear oil feed to the valve assy. was properly sealed, I checked because it is a known leaker, either into the water or out the pass. rear of the head. Only real difficulty was getting the air intake support brackets back on. (Grumble grumble, gettin' too old for this sh-tuff.) YMMV Fred Moir But it's NOT a Diesel! Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Bruckmann writes: So what's the deal? Is the M103 a good machine (as good as the venerable M110), or am I just as well with an OM603.961? I've heard it is. Valve stem seals may be an issue. I don't have any firsthand experience though. - Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Saab two-strokes (was 2-stroke diesels)
Nice little video on Saab on Jay Leno's site. Ed 300E On 21/09/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monte Carlo engines had tri-carbs, one for each hole! Monster noise with air cleaner off! Pete -- Original message -- From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK Don wrote: The original Sonett had the 3 cyl. 2 cycle engine. I doubted that, so I looked it up in the two stroke engine table at http://www.vsaab.com. Turns out the 850 engine from the Monte Carlo was used in the 1966 and 1967 Sonett II (kind of an ugly car, but I'd still like to have one, simply because it's bizarre. The 850MC engine was rated at 60hp (SAE gross, I'm sure). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS fluid question
Tom Hargrave wrote: Power steering fluid it transmission fluid that has been packaged in small, expensive cans. Not exactly. It's the base stock used in type A ATF (that hasn't been available in the US in about 20 years). Here's the definitive post as far as I'm concerned: Anyhow, walking back to my workplace from the dealer's it struck me that MB probably don't make their own PS fluid and it is most likely someone elses in an MB bottle. When I got to work I had a chat with a colleague who's done a lot of contract research for the automotive oil industry. He put me in touch with one of the application engineers at Castrol's RD centre. After talking with the Castrol engineer it turns out that MB's PS fluid 'Sheet no. 236.3' is actually old-style 'Type A Suffix A' ATF but minus the red dye. Castrol still supply this fluid as 'Agri-ATF' in 5 litre and 25 litre containers. However, the Castrol engineer did say that Dexron II/III is a perfectly acceptable alternative for MB PS applications. The key issue, it seems, is not to top-up with non-MB fluid during the warranty period. If dealers spot any red colouration in the PS fluid they will not honour a warranty claim, on the basis that non-MB fluid has been used in the system. Type A Suffix A is also the fluid used in the manual gearbox in the 190E, although again without the red dye. The Castrol guy told me that Dexron *can* be used as an alternative, but because it is a more highly friction-modified fluid the synchro action will not be exactly as MB intended when the gearbox was designed. I have therefore drained out the Dexron III that was in my 'box and replaced it with the Type A Suffix A fluid and I can attest that the gearchange is slightly improved, particularly 1-2 and 2-3. BTW it is essential that only ATF is used in these manual gearboxes - the acidic nature of EP-type gear oils attacks the relatively soft synchro. rings that MB uses - shortening the life of the gearbox. ATF is not acidic (I have the details of the chemistry if anyone wants to know - Castrol were very helpful and sent me a fax giving further details). Incidentally, I happen to know that the Type A Suffix A fluid made by the French oil company ELF is not dyed red - maybe they are the people supplying MB? Hope this info. may be of use to someone. Cheers, Eric # Dr Eric Chowanietz Principal Lecturer Department of Electronic Electrical Engineering De Montfort University Tel +44 (0)116 257 7095 Fax +44 (0)116 257 7692 # I use Mobil 1 ATF as it behaves much better in cold weather. Conventional DexronIII/Mercon is a bit too viscous in cold weather. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
And now I know why the adjustment nut will not re-tighten. I managed to strip it by attempting to use it to close the roof. Thanks user's manual for being unclear. I'm thinking that without that nut being in place, there is no tension on the cable? And thus the motor just spins. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M103 vs OM603 vs OM617: Help me decide
Ed. Valve guides are replaced with the head off. It is theoretically possible to pull the guides with out removing the head but most likely the valve seats will be worn and would no longer be concentric with the valves and guides. The guides are driven in and usually have to be reamed. Replacing the seals is just tedious not difficult. Remove spark plug, inject air pressure via an adapter to keep the valve hard against the seat. If you can balance the piston that you are working on at TDC it may help stop the valve from falling into the engine should the air pressure fail. (BTDT) remove valve gear at the cyl. that you are working on only (rocker etc.) use an external valve spring compressor ( hooks under the cam and pushes down on the valve spring ) remove keepers (use pencil magnet) gently release compressor and take off the spring. Pull out the seal, check for debris around the valve guide, use the seal protector, ( clear tube supplied with VSOS kit) and put a smear of engine oil around the seal lip and press on. Hand pressure against a deep socket with extension works for me. Curse a bit as you wrestle the seal protector off Replace spring, compress and install keepers. Do the other valve in that pair. Repeat. As we say in Yinglant, Rotsa Ruck! All you genii please add you comments, condemnations and insults. Fred Moir Lynn MA Dieselitis Maximus ( With a little gas on the side) E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anybody want to give me a quick walk though of changing valve guides and also the stem seals?? I'm sure mine are about due with 340,000 on them. Ed 300E - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
YE! Just activated my manual sunfroof!! You guys didn't tell me this was an option. Opened the sunroof by hand about 3/4 of the way. Pulled down the healiner in front. First tried to pull it forward and out, but wouldn't go. So pushed it back. Then pulled the roof shut. Then after trying to think of things I might wedge in there to keep the roof lifted and sealed up, decided to pull in that bar. That made it pop up to apparently sealed position. YES! Then dawned on me that I can simply open the plataged thing by hand and shut it as desired and put the silly headliner back forward when done. Couldn't have done it without youz guyz' advice. Thanks. Now, to remove the motor for increased fuel efficiency. Brian On 9/21/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And now I know why the adjustment nut will not re-tighten. I managed to strip it by attempting to use it to close the roof. Thanks user's manual for being unclear. I'm thinking that without that nut being in place, there is no tension on the cable? And thus the motor just spins. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
Glad I could help. Zoltan Finks wrote: YE! Just activated my manual sunfroof!! You guys didn't tell me this was an option. Opened the sunroof by hand about 3/4 of the way. Pulled down the healiner in front. First tried to pull it forward and out, but wouldn't go. So pushed it back. Then pulled the roof shut. Then after trying to think of things I might wedge in there to keep the roof lifted and sealed up, decided to pull in that bar. That made it pop up to apparently sealed position. YES! Then dawned on me that I can simply open the plataged thing by hand and shut it as desired and put the silly headliner back forward when done. Couldn't have done it without youz guyz' advice. Thanks. Now, to remove the motor for increased fuel efficiency. Brian On 9/21/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And now I know why the adjustment nut will not re-tighten. I managed to strip it by attempting to use it to close the roof. Thanks user's manual for being unclear. I'm thinking that without that nut being in place, there is no tension on the cable? And thus the motor just spins. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 92 2.5 Turbo IP
Don't you have a Bosch place in Tulsa? On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:01:50 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I should send in the one dumping the fuel. The rack sensor on it is good. The rack sensor on the other one tested bad. I have never seen one bad either but its for sure bad. What would I need to do to get that one rebuilt? Ship it to you and you take it down there? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 92 2.5 Turbo IP Just talked to Scott. Check the lift pump pressure, this would give all the same symptoms. Pull the line from the main fuel filter and check the pressure. Should be 10-15psi from the lift pump. About the rack position sensor$698.50 for the sensor and Scott's never seen one bad He did say that the one that's dumping fuel into the crankcase would be a $500 rebuild. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 107 parts needed
I'll sell him my '78 450SLC - he can finish the turd polishing, or use it for parts. The engine has recently had a top end overhaul - crank and rings are fine -- ALL the rubber in the intake system is new. Larry - they're no Porsche, but they're not THAT bad -- On 9/21/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim wrote:You too can invest hundreds of hours and countless dollars in order to end up with a car that'll be worth maybe 4500or so. ( Don;t forget they handle like buckets on ice skates are underpowered and rust when there's clouds on the horizon. Never could figure out why some women go crazy over them -- -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Gear Indicator Light - 1991 300D 2.5T W124
Howdy - I noticed my gear Indicator Light was not working tonight. I assume I will need to lift the console panel up to access the bulb? Anyone know what bulb it takes? I checked my Owners Manual but it did not list that bulb. Any ideas? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
Did you get my finder's fee check in the mail for that car? Brian On 9/21/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad I could help. Zoltan Finks wrote: YE! Just activated my manual sunfroof!! You guys didn't tell me this was an option. Opened the sunroof by hand about 3/4 of the way. Pulled down the healiner in front. First tried to pull it forward and out, but wouldn't go. So pushed it back. Then pulled the roof shut. Then after trying to think of things I might wedge in there to keep the roof lifted and sealed up, decided to pull in that bar. That made it pop up to apparently sealed position. YES! Then dawned on me that I can simply open the plataged thing by hand and shut it as desired and put the silly headliner back forward when done. Couldn't have done it without youz guyz' advice. Thanks. Now, to remove the motor for increased fuel efficiency. Brian On 9/21/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And now I know why the adjustment nut will not re-tighten. I managed to strip it by attempting to use it to close the roof. Thanks user's manual for being unclear. I'm thinking that without that nut being in place, there is no tension on the cable? And thus the motor just spins. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gear Indicator Light - 1991 300D 2.5T W124
Under the console cover, if it's like the '87 W124, just lift the carped in the console bin and remove screw, then lift up on the bracket (don't pull on the trim panel, you can rip the bracket off). The mirror switch and fader come up with the panel. Bulb is a tiny baseless type, take it with you when looking for a replacement. Same one as the headlight switch and vent control knobs. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PS fluid question
John, From what I gather from my owner's manual, you should only use the proprietary PS fluid in that model-I got the MB approved PS fluid from Rusty for my 91 300D 2.5. About $9.00 for a liter or so. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 10:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] PS fluid question Is Mobil 1 ATF acceptable in the newer (ie, 92 300D) PS pumps? I've always used Mobil 1 ATF... but I've heard some people say that only power steering fluid should be used. Thanks! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof quit
I'm thinking that without that nut being in place, there is no tension on the cable? And thus the motor just spins. Yup. But you can get a new sunroof motor assembly at the junkyard for not much moola. Now that you've got access to the guts of the roof you can fix the original problem, whatever it is. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Replacing Engine Mounts 85 300SD ( Was ReplacingInjectors(was Re:1985300SD NastyEngineVibration))
Replaced the engine mounts, engine shocks and transmission mount. The right mount was a bit cracked upon close inspection. The left mount was way past dead. It collapsed with 'full metal contact. I did not notice how bad it's appearance was until I got it out. The pesky tin 'shield' hides it. I has a dickens of a time getting the left mount out. Was unable to get access to the inboard mount to chassis screw. Wound up removing the mount arm off of the side of the engine. Replaced the engine shocks, the old ones were most likely OK but the mount kits did need replacement. The transmission mount looked OK but since I had the new one in hand ... Of course in the middle of all this my floor jack died. Think I got it about 15-20 years ago at Sears. Bought a Chinese copy of my Taiwan made sears Jack. (weird) It is OK but I will need to evaluate it further. The new jack is difficult to regulate on going down slow ...Maybe I'll make an injector test stand from the old jack's pump ...ha ha. Now it is nice and smooth. (and quite), hard for me to get use to bad engine mounts making some thing run like it wants to blow up. It was so loud pedestrians were frightened of it. George Larribeau Dallas, Texas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of George Larribeau Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ]Fw:ReplacingInjectors(was Re:1985300SD NastyEngineVibration) The front mounts are questionable and the engine shocks don't look happy. I will order new ones tomorrow. George Larribeau -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ]Fw:ReplacingInjectors(was Re:1985300SD NastyEngineVibration) George, Geez, they 27 years old! It's time. Mine caused significant vibration - besides, they're relatively cheap/ Rusty has some for ~$10 each!! Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: George Larribeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ]Fw:ReplacingInjectors(was Re:1985300SD NastyEngineVibration) I will give it another look ... I don't thing they seemed bad. Whap is the best test ? George Larribeau - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw:ReplacingInjectors(was Re:1985300SD NastyEngineVibration) George Larribeau wrote: When I open the hood it doesn't appear to be visibly vibrating all that much. Does not take much throttle to get it to clear up (under load) Motor and tranny mounts OK? Seems like if it were shaking the car, the motor mounts (if good) would be flexing quite a bit. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: 9/16/2007 6:32 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 107 parts needed
Don;t forget they handle like buckets on ice skates are underpowered and rust when there's clouds on the horizon. Never could figure out why some women go crazy over them -- They are boulevard cruisers, not sports cars. But I love the look of them. I must, to have bought four of them! Between the 280SL Pagoda roof and the mid 90s SL redesign was an ocean of poor design. IMHO. Just the opposite for me. Don't particularly like the 107's predecessor, and the 129 successor looks a lot like a mid-80's Mustang to my eye. Maybe when they get a lot cheaper... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing Engine Mounts 85 300SD
Now it is nice and smooth. (and quite), hard for me to get use to bad engine mounts making some thing run like it wants to blow up. It was so loud pedestrians were frightened of it. Amazing how much quieter they are when they're not doing the pee-pee dance on the frame rails! Utterly transformed the Frankenheap (115 200D). -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5kW Chinese Genset
I did some surfing, and found out some interesting things. Here is a link to a generator vaguely similar to mine: http://www.usdieselengines.com/generator-welder.pdf There are some engine management schematics in it, operating instructions, etc. Unfortunately the electrical end is fairly different. Almost every one of this class of generator I've been able to find information on uses the resonant type of regulation, using mostly just a capacitor. (Such generators don't start heavy motors very well, and apparently don't tolerate _at_all_ capacitive (leading power factor) loads. And I believe they are relatively inefficient in that they burn excess input mechanical power as heat, rather than reduce the field and thus the mechanical load.) Yet mine has a more traditional electronic regulator. Nice, I suppose, when it's working. Not so nice when it fails. (It wouldn't be a problem if it were in a sealed box instead of being epoxy-potted. I can often fix crap like that.) I also found a link to a white paper on the theory of this low-cost regulation system: http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2006/6/14/23147/3970 Interesting reading. The upshot is that the cheap resonant regulator seems to operate, similar to a constant-voltage transformer, by running in saturation and burning excess mechanical energy as heat. They should be markedly less efficient at partial load as a result. And here is an interesting white paper on generator voltage regulator theory: http://lib.tkk.fi/Dipl/2007/urn009728.pdf In it I found the first plausible explanation of why my generator might have two separate excitation windings. One winding reacts to no-load conditions, and the other to short-circuit conditions. One is at the fundamental frequency, and the other is at the third harmonic. Together they span the range of loads from zero to shorted, and give a first-order response for regulation. In other words, the electronics of the regulator itself can be simplified if they're powered from the combination (series?) of these two windings. If this is indeed what I have, my generator is considerably better than the run of the mill. Except, of course, that it is broken. Regardless of its design sophistication, its construction seems no better than any other cheapie. And _don't_ get me started on epoxy-potting electronics! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5kW Chinese Genset
I did some surfing, and found out some interesting things. Here is a link to a generator vaguely similar to mine: http://www.usdieselengines.com/generator-welder.pdf There are some engine management schematics in it, operating instructions, etc. Unfortunately the electrical end is fairly different. Almost every one of this class of generator I've been able to find information on uses the resonant type of regulation, using mostly just a capacitor. (Such generators don't start heavy motors very well, and apparently don't tolerate _at_all_ capacitive (leading power factor) loads. And I believe they are relatively inefficient in that they burn excess input mechanical power as heat, rather than reduce the field and thus the mechanical load.) Yet mine has a more traditional electronic regulator. Nice, I suppose, when it's working. Not so nice when it fails. (It wouldn't be a problem if it were in a sealed box instead of being epoxy-potted. I can often fix crap like that.) I also found a link to a white paper on the theory of this low-cost regulation system: http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2006/6/14/23147/3970 Interesting reading. The upshot is that the cheap resonant regulator seems to operate, similar to a constant-voltage transformer, by running in saturation and burning excess mechanical energy as heat. They should be markedly less efficient at partial load as a result. And here is an interesting white paper on generator voltage regulator theory: http://lib.tkk.fi/Dipl/2007/urn009728.pdf In it I found the first plausible explanation of why my generator might have two separate excitation windings. One winding reacts to no-load conditions, and the other to short-circuit conditions. One is at the fundamental frequency, and the other is at the third harmonic. Together they span the range of loads from zero to shorted, and give a first-order response for regulation. In other words, the electronics of the regulator itself can be simplified if they're powered from the combination (series?) of these two windings. If this is indeed what I have, my generator is considerably better than the run of the mill. Except, of course, that it is broken. Regardless of its design sophistication, its construction seems no better than any other cheapie. And _don't_ get me started on epoxy-potting electronics! -- Jim --- Have you ever tried mining something that was potted? I've read about it but never tried it except with silicon potted stuff. With the hard potted assemblies you start out by grinding down alongside a wire very slowly and with constant visual checks with a dental drill or equivalent; removing all possible potting material in all directions as you go. Eventually you come to a component which you mainly want to identify while keeping it intact if possible. As you continue grinding away the epoxy, more and more components and wires will be exposed and you can figure out how they work. I think this method was used during the cold war to figure out Russian electronics and vice-versa. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
