Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
Bob, Riding a motorcycle in 100 degree plus weather is like riding in an oven! Proper safety gear makes it even more uncomfortable. YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT! That said, you would want four cylinders for smoothness, and enough power to push a full sized wind screen for comfort. The Honda 750 Goldwings are reliable and will go 100,000 miles. a smallish two cylinder will die in a year! All the big bike manufacturers make something similar. Rent or borrow a bike for a few days in june/july and get this idea out of your system. Get a used turbodiesel VW TDI and you will average in the 40's with AC and 4 walls around you. The Toyota dealers are rebating on new Prius hybrids, as production has caught up with demand. Your Commute is not ideal fior the Prius, but it should also get mileage in the 40's. I think the drivetrain has a 10 year warranty, and there are some tax credits available too. Jim in Phoenix -Original Message- From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob I have no experience. I would most certainly take a course. There are many people I work with who ride all the time and I've heard all the stories and I've listened carefully to them all. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob Robert you didn't mention if you have experience riding! I have been riding for 40 years and yes I have a honda shadow 1100cc. There are things that you should be aware of, the new rider shouldn't buy something to commute on and learn on at the same time. I would suggest that you take the highway safety course for riding. They usually use small motorcycles and you will learn alot! One thing that people do not understand is that people in CARS (thats you and me) Do NOT See motorcycles! So if you are one that gets freaked out when a cars pulls out in front of you while you are in you car. Then you are really going to know how tight your sphincter will get! This happens all the time! So take the course, and they buy the most comfortable motorcycle you can afford. One of the often over looked brands is the BMW. Yes expensive at first look but very well built and comfortable! hope this helps Douglas - Original Message - From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob Weather really isn't a concern here, I don't think. I work with guys who ride all year round. Maybe the time has come I should consider getting a bike. In your opinion, Dan (and anyone else who has an opinion), what would be a good bike for me to start with knowing my commute would be 80 miles a day? My wife is thinking I'm having a mid-life crisis but she doesn't ever fill the cars with fuel. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel It's not all great - I don't ride in bad weather, or when the temperatures go below 50F. Down here the weather is finally (I say that with great disappointment) getting into the summer cycle of 70F nights and near 90F days with oppressive humidity. If going to work requires you to be somewhat composed and professional, forget it. It's been really windy down here the last few days, and getting out on the interstate with heavy crosswinds can make things really exciting - in a way that you don't care for, unless you have a death wish. People drive like idiots down here, so you have to be super attentive or they'll kill you. I'm fortunate in that I can wear jeans and a polo shirt if I choose, so that helps, but I'm still hot and sticky by the time I get there in the morning. Don't even ask about the ride home... By moving back and forth between motorcycle and car I save some $$. it's not an end all to be all. Dan --- Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yer killin' me. I wonder how much worse it needs to get before I, who has never had a bike, will consider getting one? Especially with my 80 mile RT commute..which I could make all back roads and stay off of the freeway. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 10:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel Darn. And I was upset that I've only been getting in the high 30s/low 40s on my Virago. I couldn't believe it - a fillup cost me over $11 the other day! Dan --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, diesel is now 4.17 here.
Re: [MBZ] Drove my 190D today, electrical problems, long post
The mice have finally recruited a driver! yee haww! Now, you've gotta get them to talk so that they can tell you exactly which wires, according to the diagram, that they've chewed through! I hope that you can get past this challenge and make this one function properly. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD tranny control cable questions
Darn, I was afraid of that! I think I'm going to try to do it the Catheyesque way and get the broken piece cut apart, taken off the cable and get the 2 or 3 inches of threads that are still left to go into the adjuster. I need some good luck! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob
My daughter got a nice Buel 500 single cylinder. It worked just fine for her commute of about 70 mi on the weekends when she had her National Guard duties. Had plenty of power to keep up with my BMW R100 but very manageable. Vibrated quite a bit at idle but not noticeable at speed. She put over 15,000 miles on it in two years before it was taken from her by a less than watchful motorist. Manfred Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 19:12:41 -0700 (PDT) From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob Hey, slow down there, boy! A 500 twin would be just fine. In my original post I suggested anything from 500 to 1100. As for the top speed and 0-60 times, I sure as heck wouldn't want a beginner on a bike like that - it's a disaster waiting to happen. I'm not familiar with that bike, but it sounds like a crotch rocket. Not something I would want to be doing an 80 mile a day commute on. To each his (or her) own, I say. The suggestions were made based on personal experience as I mentioned in a previous post. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] diesel
Don't complain [too much]. Varies from $4.29 - $4.35 here. BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 12:16 PM To: mercedes Mailing List Subject: [MBZ] diesel Well, diesel is now 4.17 here. Geez, I need to get my 190D going quick. Why the hell did I get rid of my 92 300D with its 33mpg? Its too expensive driving a SDL back and forth to work. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No user serviceable parts inside
I sure you can. You could also use an hydraulic spreader on whatever parts you can get a grip on, or even a smoke wrench. The problem will be getting it to work [correctly] later vs. having a multi-thousand $$ lawn/garage/driveway ornament... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 1:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] No user serviceable parts inside Replacement of rear rotors requires a special Rolls Royce hub tool ($1,000 if you can find one for sale, or rentable from the RROC) and takes two days of labor. Does that mean I can't just get a big mallet and beat on them until they come loose? --R Alex Chamberlain wrote: Here's something to take a look at whenever you feel like M-B repair is too tricky and you're spending too much money on one-use-only tools (4.5mm Allen for the 124 center dash vent?). Notice the number of times the writer refers to a $1,000 Rolls Royce special tool. http://www.robisonservice.com/servicedep/rolls_info.asp Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
You won't save the money you think you are saving with a motorcycle after adding in the additional cost of the bike, tires and insurance. My Harley-Davidson gets 37 MPG but the new ones get about 40 MPG. So, at 40 MPG and $3.50 / gallon, the cost per mile for gas is 8.85 cents / mile. Back tires for my Harley-Davidson last 8000 miles if I'm careful and cost is $135 each plus a $45 mounting fee. This works out to 2.25 cents / mile for the back tire. Front tires for my Harley-Davidson last 12000 miles if I'm careful and cost $120 each plus a $45 mounting fee. This works out to 1.375 cents / mile for the tire. In other words, 3.625 / mile for tires and $8.85 cents / mile for gas totals of 12.475 cents / mile. My Jeep cost me 17 cents / mile in gas and tires. Not much savings here. Factor in the added insurance and additional payment and the rest of the savings usually evaporates from a motorcycle. I still ride as much as possible for fun. This generation of hybrid cars are another exercise in false economics. You'll save gas but will spend more buying the car. Last I read, the break even point was somewhere around 10 years. In other words, if you are an average driver, your savings will catch up with your initial investment in about 10 years. I suggest that you wait for the next generation of hybrid vehicles to come out before buying one. These days, the best economical vehicle on the market is a VW Turbo Diesel. This is unless you are cheap like I am. With so many car buyers running towards better mileage cars, you can pick up an older car for less than 3K that will get 20 MPG in town, which works out to 17.5 cents / mile for gas and tires are less than 1 cent per mile. 20 MPG may seem terrible but you need to remember that it's total cost per mile, including the vehicle cost. If you drive a typical 15,000 miles / year, here's the cost / mile for your car payment: $200 / month = 0.16 cents / mile $250 / month = 0.20 cents / mile $300 / month = 0.24 cents / mile $350 / month = 0.28 cents / mile $400 / month = 0.32 cents / mile $450 / month = 0.36 cents / mile $500 / month = 0.40 cents / mile Now factor back in the gas mileage: A nice used vehicle that costs $200 / month and that gets 20 MPG costs you 33.5 cents / mile plus insurance maintenance cost to drive. (0.16 per mile for payments + 17.5 cents per mile for gas) A new vehicle with a $400 / month payment (a low payment, these days) and that gets 35 MPG in town costs you 42 cents / mile plus insurance and maintenance cost to drive. (0.32 per mile for payments + 10 cents per mile for gas) In other words, assuming your older car costs you $200 per month in payments, then trade in you older used car that gets 20 MPG for a new 40 MPG model and you just lost 8.5 cents / per mile just to save gas! And there is no way that the additional maintenance cost will come close to the $1275 / year difference! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:52 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! Bob, Riding a motorcycle in 100 degree plus weather is like riding in an oven! Proper safety gear makes it even more uncomfortable. YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT! That said, you would want four cylinders for smoothness, and enough power to push a full sized wind screen for comfort. The Honda 750 Goldwings are reliable and will go 100,000 miles. a smallish two cylinder will die in a year! All the big bike manufacturers make something similar. Rent or borrow a bike for a few days in june/july and get this idea out of your system. Get a used turbodiesel VW TDI and you will average in the 40's with AC and 4 walls around you. The Toyota dealers are rebating on new Prius hybrids, as production has caught up with demand. Your Commute is not ideal fior the Prius, but it should also get mileage in the 40's. I think the drivetrain has a 10 year warranty, and there are some tax credits available too. Jim in Phoenix -Original Message- From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob I have no experience. I would most certainly take a course. There are many people I work with who ride all the time and I've heard all the stories and I've listened carefully to them all. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob Robert you didn't mention if you have experience riding! I have been riding for 40 years and yes I have a honda shadow 1100cc. There are things that you should be aware of, the new rider shouldn't buy something to commute on and learn on
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob
A CB750F is a nice machine. I owned one for quite a while. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob What can you do on the street on a big twin that you can't do on a bike with a 105mph top speed and 6 second 0-60 time? Commute comfortably on the interstate? My old CB350 was a joke on the highway, yet my parents still rode it to Reno and back when it was new. After that they moved up to the CB750F that I still have. (They did the Portland to Portland run a time or two on that.) I find I really don't like riding it even 100 miles, but it certainly has enough power for interstate riding. Awfully thirsty, though, and the vibration really gets to me after awhile. Dad's next (and last) bike, a K100, is a _really_ nice bike to take a long ride on. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: 5/10/2008 11:12 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: 5/11/2008 1:08 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] diesel
I think I finally got my wife's Kawasaki 454 figured out. That'll do 45-50mpg... -Curt Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:59:32 -0700 From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yer killin' me. I wonder how much worse it needs to get before I, who has never had a bike, will consider getting one? Especially with my 80 mile RT commute..which I could make all back roads and stay off of the freeway. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 10:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel Darn. And I was upset that I've only been getting in the high 30s/low 40s on my Virago. I couldn't believe it - a fillup cost me over $11 the other day! Dan - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
I agree with Jim about riding in 100+ heat. However I disagree with the 4 cyl statement. I am not a fan of BMW cars, but the BMW motorcycles are reliable, and the twins are smooth, simple, owner-servicable. You do not need 4 cyl. If you want a commute, you do not want/need a superbike. Crotch rockets will get you in trouble. If you study motorcycle statistics, you will find most accidents are inexperienced riders on Harleys, or imitation harleys. THey are too heavy for most riders, and not a way to get good mileage either. Good luck! If you continue the MC quest, always have a plan of action with at least one escape route. People WILL pull out in front of you! LF 1971 R75/5 since 1972 R50/2 before that At 01:52 AM 5/12/2008, you wrote: Bob, Riding a motorcycle in 100 degree plus weather is like riding in an oven! Proper safety gear makes it even more uncomfortable. YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT! That said, you would want four cylinders for smoothness, and enough power to push a full sized wind screen for comfort. The Honda 750 Goldwings are reliable and will go 100,000 miles. a smallish two cylinder will die in a year! All the big bike manufacturers make something similar. Rent or borrow a bike for a few days in june/july and get this idea out of your system. Get a used turbodiesel VW TDI and you will average in the 40's with AC and 4 walls around you. The Toyota dealers are rebating on new Prius hybrids, as production has caught up with demand. Your Commute is not ideal fior the Prius, but it should also get mileage in the 40's. I think the drivetrain has a 10 year warranty, and there are some tax credits available too. Jim in Phoenix -Original Message- From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob I have no experience. I would most certainly take a course. There are many people I work with who ride all the time and I've heard all the stories and I've listened carefully to them all. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob Robert you didn't mention if you have experience riding! I have been riding for 40 years and yes I have a honda shadow 1100cc. There are things that you should be aware of, the new rider shouldn't buy something to commute on and learn on at the same time. I would suggest that you take the highway safety course for riding. They usually use small motorcycles and you will learn alot! One thing that people do not understand is that people in CARS (thats you and me) Do NOT See motorcycles! So if you are one that gets freaked out when a cars pulls out in front of you while you are in you car. Then you are really going to know how tight your sphincter will get! This happens all the time! So take the course, and they buy the most comfortable motorcycle you can afford. One of the often over looked brands is the BMW. Yes expensive at first look but very well built and comfortable! hope this helps Douglas - Original Message - From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob Weather really isn't a concern here, I don't think. I work with guys who ride all year round. Maybe the time has come I should consider getting a bike. In your opinion, Dan (and anyone else who has an opinion), what would be a good bike for me to start with knowing my commute would be 80 miles a day? My wife is thinking I'm having a mid-life crisis but she doesn't ever fill the cars with fuel. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel It's not all great - I don't ride in bad weather, or when the temperatures go below 50F. Down here the weather is finally (I say that with great disappointment) getting into the summer cycle of 70F nights and near 90F days with oppressive humidity. If going to work requires you to be somewhat composed and professional, forget it. It's been really windy down here the last few days, and getting out on the interstate with heavy crosswinds can make things really exciting - in a way that you don't care for, unless you have a death wish. People drive like idiots down here, so you have to be super attentive or they'll kill you. I'm fortunate in that I can wear jeans and a polo shirt if I choose, so that helps, but I'm still hot and sticky by the time I get there in the morning. Don't even ask about the ride home... By moving back and forth between motorcycle and car I save some
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux Query
Thanks Don. It seems to matter a bit to Kaleb as he suggested we take this thread there. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
I also agree with the hot weather riding. It's not that bad as long as you're moving, but as soon as you get into stop-and-go stuff on the surface streets it's simply unbearable. I didn't ride today for a couple of reasons, one of which was the humidity, even though it's only supposed ot get up to the high 80s today. At 6:00 am it was already 90% humidity, which means you're soaking wet by the time you get to work. Part of that is due to the fact that I ride with full gear no matter what the weather (Joe Rocket Kevlar reinforced mesh jacket in this weather, jeans, gloves, full face helmet, you get the idea.) I am simply amazed when I see people on their bikes in shorts, t-shirts, Nikes and no helmets. They are future organ donors. I personally think that four cylinders is overkill for this as well, not to mention that it will increase fuel consumption with little or no tradeoff. The only thing I would suggest if you plan on buying a bike for the purpose stated is to get something with a fairing. My Virago isn't suited for a fairing, although there are aftermarket windscreens that can be had with protection for the handlebar areas. I have a full sized windscreen, and although that cuts down on a lot of road/bug detrius, it does make for a tiring ride in long windy or highway drives. Here in the Tampa area, you must ride like you have a bullseye on your back. People are unbelieveably inattentive, and will do all sorts of stupid things that put you in danger. The worst is the driver that is yakking on their cell phone as they are super inattentive when it comes to small targets like bikes. I had a soccer mom in her minivan pull out in front of me the other day in broad daylight. She didn't even look, and she was - yep, you guessed - talking on her cell phone. It just so happened that I pulled up next to her at the next light. I motioned for her to roll down her window, after which I suggested that she place the cell phone in a body cavity that would prevent it from being used while she was driving. I don't think she cared for my suggestion. Her kids thought it was funny, though. I'm sure they'll share my comments with Dad when they get home Dan Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Jim about riding in 100+ heat. However I disagree with the 4 cyl statement. I am not a fan of BMW cars, but the BMW motorcycles are reliable, and the twins are smooth, simple, owner-servicable. You do not need 4 cyl. If you want a commute, you do not want/need a superbike. Crotch rockets will get you in trouble. If you study motorcycle statistics, you will find most accidents are inexperienced riders on Harleys, or imitation harleys. THey are too heavy for most riders, and not a way to get good mileage either. Good luck! If you continue the MC quest, always have a plan of action with at least one escape route. People WILL pull out in front of you! LF 1971 R75/5 since 1972 R50/2 before that - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
Tom, I think it's dependent on a lot of variables - I say that because tires are a lot cheaper for my Virago (just put a set on a couple of months ago and it was just a few bucks over $300) and insurance is dependent on what you insure for - I have minimum liability limits I am locked into with my State Farm policy, but it still only costs me $400/year. If I went outside of State Farm and got it on my own I could cut that in half. I don't carry collision because I figure that if I trash a 14 year old $2000 bike the insurance company isn't going to give me squat for it, or it won't be worth repairing. Florida is a no-fault state, so if someone hits or damages me, their insurer will be paying the bill... You have to figure in the fun factor, too. Can't put a value on that Dan Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You won't save the money you think you are saving with a motorcycle after adding in the additional cost of the bike, tires and insurance. My Harley-Davidson gets 37 MPG but the new ones get about 40 MPG. So, at 40 MPG and $3.50 / gallon, the cost per mile for gas is 8.85 cents / mile. Back tires for my Harley-Davidson last 8000 miles if I'm careful and cost is $135 each plus a $45 mounting fee. This works out to 2.25 cents / mile for the back tire. Front tires for my Harley-Davidson last 12000 miles if I'm careful and cost $120 each plus a $45 mounting fee. This works out to 1.375 cents / mile for the tire. In other words, 3.625 / mile for tires and $8.85 cents / mile for gas totals of 12.475 cents / mile. My Jeep cost me 17 cents / mile in gas and tires. Not much savings here. Factor in the added insurance and additional payment and the rest of the savings usually evaporates from a motorcycle. I still ride as much as possible for fun. This generation of hybrid cars are another exercise in false economics. You'll save gas but will spend more buying the car. Last I read, the break even point was somewhere around 10 years. In other words, if you are an average driver, your savings will catch up with your initial investment in about 10 years. I suggest that you wait for the next generation of hybrid vehicles to come out before buying one. These days, the best economical vehicle on the market is a VW Turbo Diesel. This is unless you are cheap like I am. With so many car buyers running towards better mileage cars, you can pick up an older car for less than 3K that will get 20 MPG in town, which works out to 17.5 cents / mile for gas and tires are less than 1 cent per mile. 20 MPG may seem terrible but you need to remember that it's total cost per mile, including the vehicle cost. If you drive a typical 15,000 miles / year, here's the cost / mile for your car payment: $200 / month = 0.16 cents / mile $250 / month = 0.20 cents / mile $300 / month = 0.24 cents / mile $350 / month = 0.28 cents / mile $400 / month = 0.32 cents / mile $450 / month = 0.36 cents / mile $500 / month = 0.40 cents / mile Now factor back in the gas mileage: A nice used vehicle that costs $200 / month and that gets 20 MPG costs you 33.5 cents / mile plus insurance maintenance cost to drive. (0.16 per mile for payments + 17.5 cents per mile for gas) A new vehicle with a $400 / month payment (a low payment, these days) and that gets 35 MPG in town costs you 42 cents / mile plus insurance and maintenance cost to drive. (0.32 per mile for payments + 10 cents per mile for gas) In other words, assuming your older car costs you $200 per month in payments, then trade in you older used car that gets 20 MPG for a new 40 MPG model and you just lost 8.5 cents / per mile just to save gas! And there is no way that the additional maintenance cost will come close to the $1275 / year difference! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nice 124 300D on Ebay
Ok Don wrote: I checked the VIN in the EPC - yes, it's a 300D 2.5 Turbo - same as my '92. Snook - why aren't you all over this??? I am looking for a gas version. The price of diesel is too high for me. I don't put that many miles on my cars (10,000 per year), so I can't justify buying something that take $4.50/gallon. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
Holy cowTom and Mr. Jim chime in as voices of reason. Mr. Jim is correct. Only the hardest of hard-core riders are still riding safely when it's 110+ degrees for many weeks in a row. And Tom's numbers don't lie. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 5:47 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! You won't save the money you think you are saving with a motorcycle after adding in the additional cost of the bike, tires and insurance. My Harley-Davidson gets 37 MPG but the new ones get about 40 MPG. So, at 40 MPG and $3.50 / gallon, the cost per mile for gas is 8.85 cents / mile. Back tires for my Harley-Davidson last 8000 miles if I'm careful and cost is $135 each plus a $45 mounting fee. This works out to 2.25 cents / mile for the back tire. Front tires for my Harley-Davidson last 12000 miles if I'm careful and cost $120 each plus a $45 mounting fee. This works out to 1.375 cents / mile for the tire. In other words, 3.625 / mile for tires and $8.85 cents / mile for gas totals of 12.475 cents / mile. My Jeep cost me 17 cents / mile in gas and tires. Not much savings here. Factor in the added insurance and additional payment and the rest of the savings usually evaporates from a motorcycle. I still ride as much as possible for fun. This generation of hybrid cars are another exercise in false economics. You'll save gas but will spend more buying the car. Last I read, the break even point was somewhere around 10 years. In other words, if you are an average driver, your savings will catch up with your initial investment in about 10 years. I suggest that you wait for the next generation of hybrid vehicles to come out before buying one. These days, the best economical vehicle on the market is a VW Turbo Diesel. This is unless you are cheap like I am. With so many car buyers running towards better mileage cars, you can pick up an older car for less than 3K that will get 20 MPG in town, which works out to 17.5 cents / mile for gas and tires are less than 1 cent per mile. 20 MPG may seem terrible but you need to remember that it's total cost per mile, including the vehicle cost. If you drive a typical 15,000 miles / year, here's the cost / mile for your car payment: $200 / month = 0.16 cents / mile $250 / month = 0.20 cents / mile $300 / month = 0.24 cents / mile $350 / month = 0.28 cents / mile $400 / month = 0.32 cents / mile $450 / month = 0.36 cents / mile $500 / month = 0.40 cents / mile Now factor back in the gas mileage: A nice used vehicle that costs $200 / month and that gets 20 MPG costs you 33.5 cents / mile plus insurance maintenance cost to drive. (0.16 per mile for payments + 17.5 cents per mile for gas) A new vehicle with a $400 / month payment (a low payment, these days) and that gets 35 MPG in town costs you 42 cents / mile plus insurance and maintenance cost to drive. (0.32 per mile for payments + 10 cents per mile for gas) In other words, assuming your older car costs you $200 per month in payments, then trade in you older used car that gets 20 MPG for a new 40 MPG model and you just lost 8.5 cents / per mile just to save gas! And there is no way that the additional maintenance cost will come close to the $1275 / year difference! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:52 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! Bob, Riding a motorcycle in 100 degree plus weather is like riding in an oven! Proper safety gear makes it even more uncomfortable. YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT! That said, you would want four cylinders for smoothness, and enough power to push a full sized wind screen for comfort. The Honda 750 Goldwings are reliable and will go 100,000 miles. a smallish two cylinder will die in a year! All the big bike manufacturers make something similar. Rent or borrow a bike for a few days in june/july and get this idea out of your system. Get a used turbodiesel VW TDI and you will average in the 40's with AC and 4 walls around you. The Toyota dealers are rebating on new Prius hybrids, as production has caught up with demand. Your Commute is not ideal fior the Prius, but it should also get mileage in the 40's. I think the drivetrain has a 10 year warranty, and there are some tax credits available too. Jim in Phoenix -Original Message- From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob I have no experience. I would most certainly take a course. There are many people I work with who ride all the time and I've heard all the stories and I've listened carefully to them all. Bob R
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob
If you're looking for a good late model entry level bike that's more of a crotch rocket than street cruiser, the Buell Blasts can be had cheap. They're a great bike for a woman to start out on, because they're lower to the ground and have a pretty low center of gravity, making them a lot easier to handle for someone with a smaller frame. Side note - the wife was working for Harley when they set Erik Buell up in 93. I got to meet him a number of time at company functions. Nice guy, heck of a designer. Harley set him up rather than have him as a competitor, which was what would have happened had they not. His bikes are very popular in Europe, where Harleys don't have the popularity like other countries such as Japan. Dan MG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My daughter got a nice Buel 500 single cylinder. It worked just fine for her commute of about 70 mi on the weekends when she had her National Guard duties. Had plenty of power to keep up with my BMW R100 but very manageable. Vibrated quite a bit at idle but not noticeable at speed. She put over 15,000 miles on it in two years before it was taken from her by a less than watchful motorist. Manfred - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
Not too many years ago, most accidents were riders in their 20s on crotch rockets. But the demographics changed as many in their 40s decided to buy motorcycles and now most accidents are riders in their 40s on Harley-Davidsons and look a-likes. But you can't assume that the issue is large, heavy motorcycles. Look at the numbers and you'll note that many were first bike owners. Most accidents have more to do with the rider and his inexperience than the machine. Another piece of data that most don't bother to look at is the fact that about half of all motorcycle accidents deaths occur with first year riders. Once you clear a year, enough s*%t has happened to turn you into a defensive rider. And if not, 2 tons with a license plate is heading your way! In other words, the issue was and still is LACK OF EXPERIENCE, which poses a great argument for a rider safety course for anyone considering a motorcycle. BTW, I also own a 1976 MBW R75/6. It's a 2 cylinder machine and is smooth enough to take anywhere, even across country. I've also had a few crashed. The last one had me sliding down the pavement at 45 MPH. Not painful at all with full riding gear, but imagine the same slide with a t-shirt and shorts??? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! I agree with Jim about riding in 100+ heat. However I disagree with the 4 cyl statement. I am not a fan of BMW cars, but the BMW motorcycles are reliable, and the twins are smooth, simple, owner-servicable. You do not need 4 cyl. If you want a commute, you do not want/need a superbike. Crotch rockets will get you in trouble. If you study motorcycle statistics, you will find most accidents are inexperienced riders on Harleys, or imitation harleys. THey are too heavy for most riders, and not a way to get good mileage either. Good luck! If you continue the MC quest, always have a plan of action with at least one escape route. People WILL pull out in front of you! LF 1971 R75/5 since 1972 R50/2 before that At 01:52 AM 5/12/2008, you wrote: Bob, Riding a motorcycle in 100 degree plus weather is like riding in an oven! Proper safety gear makes it even more uncomfortable. YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT! That said, you would want four cylinders for smoothness, and enough power to push a full sized wind screen for comfort. The Honda 750 Goldwings are reliable and will go 100,000 miles. a smallish two cylinder will die in a year! All the big bike manufacturers make something similar. Rent or borrow a bike for a few days in june/july and get this idea out of your system. Get a used turbodiesel VW TDI and you will average in the 40's with AC and 4 walls around you. The Toyota dealers are rebating on new Prius hybrids, as production has caught up with demand. Your Commute is not ideal fior the Prius, but it should also get mileage in the 40's. I think the drivetrain has a 10 year warranty, and there are some tax credits available too. Jim in Phoenix -Original Message- From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob I have no experience. I would most certainly take a course. There are many people I work with who ride all the time and I've heard all the stories and I've listened carefully to them all. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob Robert you didn't mention if you have experience riding! I have been riding for 40 years and yes I have a honda shadow 1100cc. There are things that you should be aware of, the new rider shouldn't buy something to commute on and learn on at the same time. I would suggest that you take the highway safety course for riding. They usually use small motorcycles and you will learn alot! One thing that people do not understand is that people in CARS (thats you and me) Do NOT See motorcycles! So if you are one that gets freaked out when a cars pulls out in front of you while you are in you car. Then you are really going to know how tight your sphincter will get! This happens all the time! So take the course, and they buy the most comfortable motorcycle you can afford. One of the often over looked brands is the BMW. Yes expensive at first look but very well built and comfortable! hope this helps Douglas - Original Message - From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob Weather really isn't a concern here, I don't
Re: [MBZ] diesel
Kaleb wrote: Well, diesel is now 4.17 here. Geez, I need to get my 190D going quick. I saw diesel last night at $4.49. That is insane. I filled up the buick at sams at $3.53. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
Dan, Tires cost you about the same as they cost me. And I do factor in the fun value, that's why I ride as much as possible. I just wanted to point out the costs that some don't consider when saving money. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! Tom, I think it's dependent on a lot of variables - I say that because tires are a lot cheaper for my Virago (just put a set on a couple of months ago and it was just a few bucks over $300) and insurance is dependent on what you insure for - I have minimum liability limits I am locked into with my State Farm policy, but it still only costs me $400/year. If I went outside of State Farm and got it on my own I could cut that in half. I don't carry collision because I figure that if I trash a 14 year old $2000 bike the insurance company isn't going to give me squat for it, or it won't be worth repairing. Florida is a no-fault state, so if someone hits or damages me, their insurer will be paying the bill... You have to figure in the fun factor, too. Can't put a value on that Dan Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You won't save the money you think you are saving with a motorcycle after adding in the additional cost of the bike, tires and insurance. My Harley-Davidson gets 37 MPG but the new ones get about 40 MPG. So, at 40 MPG and $3.50 / gallon, the cost per mile for gas is 8.85 cents / mile. Back tires for my Harley-Davidson last 8000 miles if I'm careful and cost is $135 each plus a $45 mounting fee. This works out to 2.25 cents / mile for the back tire. Front tires for my Harley-Davidson last 12000 miles if I'm careful and cost $120 each plus a $45 mounting fee. This works out to 1.375 cents / mile for the tire. In other words, 3.625 / mile for tires and $8.85 cents / mile for gas totals of 12.475 cents / mile. My Jeep cost me 17 cents / mile in gas and tires. Not much savings here. Factor in the added insurance and additional payment and the rest of the savings usually evaporates from a motorcycle. I still ride as much as possible for fun. This generation of hybrid cars are another exercise in false economics. You'll save gas but will spend more buying the car. Last I read, the break even point was somewhere around 10 years. In other words, if you are an average driver, your savings will catch up with your initial investment in about 10 years. I suggest that you wait for the next generation of hybrid vehicles to come out before buying one. These days, the best economical vehicle on the market is a VW Turbo Diesel. This is unless you are cheap like I am. With so many car buyers running towards better mileage cars, you can pick up an older car for less than 3K that will get 20 MPG in town, which works out to 17.5 cents / mile for gas and tires are less than 1 cent per mile. 20 MPG may seem terrible but you need to remember that it's total cost per mile, including the vehicle cost. If you drive a typical 15,000 miles / year, here's the cost / mile for your car payment: $200 / month = 0.16 cents / mile $250 / month = 0.20 cents / mile $300 / month = 0.24 cents / mile $350 / month = 0.28 cents / mile $400 / month = 0.32 cents / mile $450 / month = 0.36 cents / mile $500 / month = 0.40 cents / mile Now factor back in the gas mileage: A nice used vehicle that costs $200 / month and that gets 20 MPG costs you 33.5 cents / mile plus insurance maintenance cost to drive. (0.16 per mile for payments + 17.5 cents per mile for gas) A new vehicle with a $400 / month payment (a low payment, these days) and that gets 35 MPG in town costs you 42 cents / mile plus insurance and maintenance cost to drive. (0.32 per mile for payments + 10 cents per mile for gas) In other words, assuming your older car costs you $200 per month in payments, then trade in you older used car that gets 20 MPG for a new 40 MPG model and you just lost 8.5 cents / per mile just to save gas! And there is no way that the additional maintenance cost will come close to the $1275 / year difference! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: 5/11/2008 1:08 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: 5/11/2008 1:08 PM
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
It's happened to me more than once I suspect I know which body cavity you suggested. I kicked the driver door of a car that was changing into my lane once after pulling into the service lane. The driver shot me a bird and had a few choice words at the next light. As far as he was concerned, it was my fault. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:24 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! I also agree with the hot weather riding. It's not that bad as long as you're moving, but as soon as you get into stop-and-go stuff on the surface streets it's simply unbearable. I didn't ride today for a couple of reasons, one of which was the humidity, even though it's only supposed ot get up to the high 80s today. At 6:00 am it was already 90% humidity, which means you're soaking wet by the time you get to work. Part of that is due to the fact that I ride with full gear no matter what the weather (Joe Rocket Kevlar reinforced mesh jacket in this weather, jeans, gloves, full face helmet, you get the idea.) I am simply amazed when I see people on their bikes in shorts, t-shirts, Nikes and no helmets. They are future organ donors. I personally think that four cylinders is overkill for this as well, not to mention that it will increase fuel consumption with little or no tradeoff. The only thing I would suggest if you plan on buying a bike for the purpose stated is to get something with a fairing. My Virago isn't suited for a fairing, although there are aftermarket windscreens that can be had with protection for the handlebar areas. I have a full sized windscreen, and although that cuts down on a lot of road/bug detrius, it does make for a tiring ride in long windy or highway drives. Here in the Tampa area, you must ride like you have a bullseye on your back. People are unbelieveably inattentive, and will do all sorts of stupid things that put you in danger. The worst is the driver that is yakking on their cell phone as they are super inattentive when it comes to small targets like bikes. I had a soccer mom in her minivan pull out in front of me the other day in broad daylight. She didn't even look, and she was - yep, you guessed - talking on her cell phone. It just so happened that I pulled up next to her at the next light. I motioned for her to roll down her window, after which I suggested that she place the cell phone in a body cavity that would prevent it from being used while she was driving. I don't think she cared for my suggestion. Her kids thought it was funny, though. I'm sure they'll share my comments with Dad when they get home Dan Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Jim about riding in 100+ heat. However I disagree with the 4 cyl statement. I am not a fan of BMW cars, but the BMW motorcycles are reliable, and the twins are smooth, simple, owner-servicable. You do not need 4 cyl. If you want a commute, you do not want/need a superbike. Crotch rockets will get you in trouble. If you study motorcycle statistics, you will find most accidents are inexperienced riders on Harleys, or imitation harleys. THey are too heavy for most riders, and not a way to get good mileage either. Good luck! If you continue the MC quest, always have a plan of action with at least one escape route. People WILL pull out in front of you! LF 1971 R75/5 since 1972 R50/2 before that - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: 5/11/2008 1:08 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: 5/11/2008 1:08 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob
A CB750F is a nice machine. I owned one for quite a while. I liked it. But the handlebar wiring shorted out (again) while I was putting it away one fall, and that spring I bought my first Mercedes, the 560 SL, and I haven't done a thing with the bike since. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 turbodiesel complete loss of oil - is it always fatal? How do you know?
Isn't there an oil pressure warning light? If not, perhaps he noticed that the oil pressure reading was zero as he was losing power On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: noticed the car losing speed and the engine warning light, he stopped What warning light? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
Points well taken. While I use my bike for more utilitarian purposes, I am looking forward to moving up north when it will become more of a recreational vehicle than transportation... Dan Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, Tires cost you about the same as they cost me. And I do factor in the fun value, that's why I ride as much as possible. I just wanted to point out the costs that some don't consider when saving money. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! Tom, I think it's dependent on a lot of variables - I say that because tires are a lot cheaper for my Virago (just put a set on a couple of months ago and it was just a few bucks over $300) and insurance is dependent on what you insure for - I have minimum liability limits I am locked into with my State Farm policy, but it still only costs me $400/year. If I went outside of State Farm and got it on my own I could cut that in half. I don't carry collision because I figure that if I trash a 14 year old $2000 bike the insurance company isn't going to give me squat for it, or it won't be worth repairing. Florida is a no-fault state, so if someone hits or damages me, their insurer will be paying the bill... You have to figure in the fun factor, too. Can't put a value on that Dan Tom Hargrave wrote: You won't save the money you think you are saving with a motorcycle after adding in the additional cost of the bike, tires and insurance. My Harley-Davidson gets 37 MPG but the new ones get about 40 MPG. So, at 40 MPG and $3.50 / gallon, the cost per mile for gas is 8.85 cents / mile. Back tires for my Harley-Davidson last 8000 miles if I'm careful and cost is $135 each plus a $45 mounting fee. This works out to 2.25 cents / mile for the back tire. Front tires for my Harley-Davidson last 12000 miles if I'm careful and cost $120 each plus a $45 mounting fee. This works out to 1.375 cents / mile for the tire. In other words, 3.625 / mile for tires and $8.85 cents / mile for gas totals of 12.475 cents / mile. My Jeep cost me 17 cents / mile in gas and tires. Not much savings here. Factor in the added insurance and additional payment and the rest of the savings usually evaporates from a motorcycle. I still ride as much as possible for fun. This generation of hybrid cars are another exercise in false economics. You'll save gas but will spend more buying the car. Last I read, the break even point was somewhere around 10 years. In other words, if you are an average driver, your savings will catch up with your initial investment in about 10 years. I suggest that you wait for the next generation of hybrid vehicles to come out before buying one. These days, the best economical vehicle on the market is a VW Turbo Diesel. This is unless you are cheap like I am. With so many car buyers running towards better mileage cars, you can pick up an older car for less than 3K that will get 20 MPG in town, which works out to 17.5 cents / mile for gas and tires are less than 1 cent per mile. 20 MPG may seem terrible but you need to remember that it's total cost per mile, including the vehicle cost. If you drive a typical 15,000 miles / year, here's the cost / mile for your car payment: $200 / month = 0.16 cents / mile $250 / month = 0.20 cents / mile $300 / month = 0.24 cents / mile $350 / month = 0.28 cents / mile $400 / month = 0.32 cents / mile $450 / month = 0.36 cents / mile $500 / month = 0.40 cents / mile Now factor back in the gas mileage: A nice used vehicle that costs $200 / month and that gets 20 MPG costs you 33.5 cents / mile plus insurance maintenance cost to drive. (0.16 per mile for payments + 17.5 cents per mile for gas) A new vehicle with a $400 / month payment (a low payment, these days) and that gets 35 MPG in town costs you 42 cents / mile plus insurance and maintenance cost to drive. (0.32 per mile for payments + 10 cents per mile for gas) In other words, assuming your older car costs you $200 per month in payments, then trade in you older used car that gets 20 MPG for a new 40 MPG model and you just lost 8.5 cents / per mile just to save gas! And there is no way that the additional maintenance cost will come close to the $1275 / year difference! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database:
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
the best economical vehicle on the market is a VW Turbo Diesel. Fuel prices have really shifted the equation. Something like the Frankenheap, a $100 'bargain', is worth less than two tanks of fuel for it. The fact that fuel prices for my diesel truck have quadrupled since I got the truck really sucks. I used to get change from a $20 bill. Now I get change from $100 bill. Progress! Such a change shifts things (certainly perceptions) away from capital costs to operating costs. You used to be able to say $X buys a lot of fuel when considering acquiring a new(er) vehicle versus keeping an older one or acquiring a cheap beater. Now, not so much. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 turbodiesel complete loss of oil - is it always fatal? How do you know?
Isn't there an oil pressure warning light? Nope. If not, perhaps he noticed that the oil pressure reading was zero as he was losing power Probably. I've always thought that, for the cars with electrical oil and temperature senders, a circuit to watch these two critical gauges and light an auxiliary lamp would be an excellent aftermarket addition. Perhaps just tie into the check engine lamp, or that useless seat belt lamp. (It's red, at least.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob
That's a shame - you need to put it back on the road, even to sell if you don't intend to ride anymore. The DOHC Hondas also suffered from cam lobe wear. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob A CB750F is a nice machine. I owned one for quite a while. I liked it. But the handlebar wiring shorted out (again) while I was putting it away one fall, and that spring I bought my first Mercedes, the 560 SL, and I haven't done a thing with the bike since. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: 5/11/2008 1:08 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: 5/11/2008 1:08 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
Jim Cathey wrote: Such a change shifts things (certainly perceptions) away from capital costs to operating costs. You used to be able to say $X buys a lot of fuel when considering acquiring a new(er) vehicle versus keeping an older one or acquiring a cheap beater. Now, not so much. When gas was $1 a gallon, people paying $500 a month for principal, interest and insurance didn't care if the fuel was $50 or $100 a gallon. And when it was $2 a gallon, I had no sympathy for their pathetic bleating over their $600 a month passenger trucks now costing them $700 a month. At $4 a gallon, I can at least understand their unhappiness at now putting $900 a month into their passenger truck. (but I still think people like them are a major contributing cause of high prices) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Motorcycles
That's a shame - you need to put it back on the road, even to sell if you don't intend to ride anymore. It's on my project list! It wouldn't get me squat in its current condition, and if I fixed it up to be salable, well then why not ride it a bit? Someday, I'm sure. It was a nice little bike once the notch in the handlebar bearings was fixed. (Factory defect, always made that particular bike handle weird. My brother finally found and fixed it. I traded a .45 auto for it. Norinco, nothing special.) I've kept the unlimited MC endorsement on my license. It'd be a lot harder to get back now if I let it go, they've changed things a lot. Last time I rode was with my brother using his old Gold Wing, we had a nice little country ride. I was pretty rusty. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
And when it was $2 a gallon, I had no sympathy for their pathetic bleating over their $600 a month passenger trucks now costing them $700 a month. I'm just thinking of that time, not so far off, when I had about $250/mo left over from house payment and utilities and other 'constant' expenses, for all 'fun' purposes and any unexpected expenses, and that was with no car payment at all. A doubling of fuel prices would really have cut into my lifestyle. Things like tires, oil changes, tools, etc. came out of that $250, as would the purchase of any other vehicle. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
Loren Faeth wrote: If you study motorcycle statistics, you will find most accidents are inexperienced riders on Harleys, or imitation harleys. THey are too heavy for most riders, and not a way to get good mileage either. Inexperienced Harley drivers beat out the inexperienced crotch rocket folks? Impressive! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
Jim Cathey wrote: I'm just thinking of that time, not so far off, when I had about $250/mo left over from house payment and utilities and other 'constant' expenses, for all 'fun' purposes and any unexpected expenses, and that was with no car payment at all. A doubling of fuel prices would really have cut into my lifestyle. And if you'd taken on a $400 a month payment for a 12mpg SUV at that point in your life, I'd have just called you a farking moron and said you asked for it. You obviously aren't that moron, but too many of our countrymen are. They covered their excessive lifestyle with home equity loans for the last ten years. Now they're still spending, but they are doing it on credit cards. Give them another year or two and they won't be able to make the minimum payments on the cards, and they will be expecting the government, which also owes more than it can repay, to bail them out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] diesel
Robert Rentfro wrote: And, may I add, my 300D getting no better than 22mpg is annoying. You could always buy my 300D. ;) Gets 29MPG driving like a madman. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
John Robbins wrote: Inexperienced Harley drivers beat out the inexperienced crotch rocket folks? Impressive! I suspect only in areas where inexperienced Harley buyers outnumber squids. I still expect the squids to beat them in fatalities though. When was the last time you heard of a mid life crisis on a Harley meeting a tree at 150mph? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
It's all about exposure. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! Loren Faeth wrote: If you study motorcycle statistics, you will find most accidents are inexperienced riders on Harleys, or imitation harleys. THey are too heavy for most riders, and not a way to get good mileage either. Inexperienced Harley drivers beat out the inexperienced crotch rocket folks? Impressive! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: 5/11/2008 1:08 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: 5/11/2008 1:08 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 upper console removal
Anybody have any good tips for removal of '87 W124 UPPER center console - radio, climate control, etc? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
I smacked the mirror of an SUV one time when they started to encroach into my lane because they were too busy with their cell phone and iPod while driving. I got what appeared to be an I'm sorry look/motion from them and they dropped back a ways, probably out of embarassment. When you're on a large bike, dressed in black with a black helmet and gloves, people get intimidated easily. I take advantage of that when necessary. Dan Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's happened to me more than once I suspect I know which body cavity you suggested. I kicked the driver door of a car that was changing into my lane once after pulling into the service lane. The driver shot me a bird and had a few choice words at the next light. As far as he was concerned, it was my fault. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
When you're on a large bike, dressed in black with a black helmet and gloves, people get intimidated easily. I take advantage of that when necessary. Honest to God, what I really wanted was full Mad Max regalia. And not just on the motorcycle, but _especially_ on the bicycle! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
I sold my last bike in 1967, I'm no expert. I went down easy once, that was enough. Couple years ago I was exiting off highway in predawn hours. I looked left right, nothing there. I pulled into the path of a bike, painted camouflage colors, rider in hunting cloths, no light on. He missed me, gave me an I Italian salute. I was wrong, he was almost dead... I would have suffered more that he did! Pete -- Original message -- From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I smacked the mirror of an SUV one time when they started to encroach into my lane because they were too busy with their cell phone and iPod while driving. I got what appeared to be an I'm sorry look/motion from them and they dropped back a ways, probably out of embarassment. When you're on a large bike, dressed in black with a black helmet and gloves, people get intimidated easily. I take advantage of that when necessary. Dan Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's happened to me more than once I suspect I know which body cavity you suggested. I kicked the driver door of a car that was changing into my lane once after pulling into the service lane. The driver shot me a bird and had a few choice words at the next light. As far as he was concerned, it was my fault. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
And sadly, the fact that diesel now costs significantly MORE than premium unleaded is probably going to kill the interest in the new generation of diesel vehicles from Mercedes, VW, and others, just when it was looking like there might be a market opportunity for them. Allan -- 1983 300D Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: the best economical vehicle on the market is a VW Turbo Diesel. Fuel prices have really shifted the equation. Something like the Frankenheap, a $100 'bargain', is worth less than two tanks of fuel for it. The fact that fuel prices for my diesel truck have quadrupled since I got the truck really sucks. I used to get change from a $20 bill. Now I get change from $100 bill. Progress! Such a change shifts things (certainly perceptions) away from capital costs to operating costs. You used to be able to say $X buys a lot of fuel when considering acquiring a new(er) vehicle versus keeping an older one or acquiring a cheap beater. Now, not so much. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 turbodiesel complete loss of oil - is it always fatal? How do you know?
I like what VW does with this, they have TWO oil pressure senders, one that's about 0.3 bar for idle and another that's higher, for whatever the minimum pressure should be at 2000 RPM. If the pressure is too low at idle, the red Oil lamp illuminates. If it's too low at speed, the lamp flashes and a very loud, raspy buzzer sounds. It's impossible not to notice. I like having the actual pressure gauge on the MB, but most people don't monitor the gauges continuously while driving. Allan -- 1983 300D Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Isn't there an oil pressure warning light? Nope. If not, perhaps he noticed that the oil pressure reading was zero as he was losing power Probably. I've always thought that, for the cars with electrical oil and temperature senders, a circuit to watch these two critical gauges and light an auxiliary lamp would be an excellent aftermarket addition. Perhaps just tie into the check engine lamp, or that useless seat belt lamp. (It's red, at least.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 turbodiesel complete loss of oil - is it always fatal? How do you know?
Pull the turbo off before you do anything and see if it runs better. Not likely to be an easy solution but it certainly would be the cheapest. -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: My new '83 wagon was delivered yesterday. Story is that it lost its oil when the PO was driving at 75 mph on the highway, coming up a hill. He had a collapsed motor mount that gave way completely, causing the engine to shift and cut the oil cooler line. Voila! -- total loss of oil. When he noticed the car losing speed and the engine warning light, he stopped the car immediately and had it towed. The next day he replaced the line, filled her back up with oil, and the guess what - the car has no power and the engine like it has a case of chronic bronchitis when idling. Now that I have taken over this car, I have two questions. 1) What is the likelihood that the engine is ruined (needs a rebuild or replacement) vs. something slightly less drastic, and 2) how would a mechanic go about making the correct diagnosis? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester
Avoid buying anything from mercedesource. Ever. Rip off scam artists. Google mercedessourse and scam/ripoff. -Rolf Robert Rentfro wrote: Is this anything? Looks pretty simple for two C notes. (hope I did the attach thing right) Bob R. -- next part -- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: MercedesSource.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MercedesSource.com Bi-weekly Update] Mercedessource Newsletter May 11 2008 Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:20:48 -0700 Size: 5338 Url: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080511/1de132bb/attachment.mht ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Artois
Duvel is overpriced and lacks in taste compared to some others. I had a 6 pack of Crystal Weiss this weekend. Some of the best american made weissbier I have ever had. -Rolf Glenn Brown wrote: Forget Stella Artois, and go for Duvel . . . at the top of my list for a flavorful white ale. G.M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 upper console removal
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody have any good tips for removal of '87 W124 UPPER center console - radio, climate control, etc? There are two screws at the bottom, just above the radio. The wood panel is hooked at the top and just swings up and out once you pull those screws. Then undo the obvious screws (four or so) around the climate control head unit and you can pull it out and unplug it for repair, replacement, and/or easy access to the stereo wiring from above. Really simple. Or is that not what you're asking for? Alex Chamberlain Bevy of 124s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Avoid buying anything from mercedesource. Ever. Rip off scam artists. Google mercedessourse and scam/ripoff. Really? I've never bought anything from them but a lot of people on the mercedesshop forum seem happy with their homebrew repair manuals. Alex Chamberlain passel of 124s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lunch at Singleton's
Not yet, but I'll put it on the list. Even though I don't ever see myself as a 'beer drinker' I would like to have at least one or two that I like ok for social situations that seem to call for one. Thanks for the tip. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 5:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lunch at Singleton's Bill, I admire your persistence and perseverance. Have you tried Stella Artois yet? On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of you who wished you could have made it to lunch at Singleton's today certainly would have enjoyed it - and Rusty even bought the meal, a nice bonus in addition to fine company of Teri and Rusty [I could have gotten the lobster, if I weren't allergic to it.] When Manfred discovered he had to be home to watch his granddaughter that just left My Darling wife and me to reap the benefits of his largess. We can attest to the accuracy of your combined memories of at least the sea scallops, clams, crab sandwich and fish dip, and the friendly wait staff, and the rest of their food looked to be pretty good also. I even discovered yet one more beer that I don't especially like [that is a clean sweep since 1970, I've never had one that I actually liked]. Sorry the rest of you missed it, but we enjoyed it about enough for everyone. Thanks Rusty and Teri. BillR and his Darling Wife Sue ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lunch at Singleton's
Like I need another taste to satisfy when I have a hard enough time keeping up with the vices I already have. Thanks for the suggestion. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 5:50 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lunch at Singleton's Stella rocks. Those were my beer of choice last Laughlin trip. Nice. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lunch at Singleton's Bill, I admire your persistence and perseverance. Have you tried Stella Artois yet? On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of you who wished you could have made it to lunch at Singleton's today certainly would have enjoyed it - and Rusty even bought the meal, a nice bonus in addition to fine company of Teri and Rusty [I could have gotten the lobster, if I weren't allergic to it.] When Manfred discovered he had to be home to watch his granddaughter that just left My Darling wife and me to reap the benefits of his largess. We can attest to the accuracy of your combined memories of at least the sea scallops, clams, crab sandwich and fish dip, and the friendly wait staff, and the rest of their food looked to be pretty good also. I even discovered yet one more beer that I don't especially like [that is a clean sweep since 1970, I've never had one that I actually liked]. Sorry the rest of you missed it, but we enjoyed it about enough for everyone. Thanks Rusty and Teri. BillR and his Darling Wife Sue ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Beer
Rolf wrote: Duvel is overpriced and lacks in taste compared to some others. I had a 6 pack of Crystal Weiss this weekend. Some of the best american made weissbier I have ever had. I am a wimp when it comes to beer. I like it VERY light. I usually just drink Miller Lite. However, there is one beer that is a little darker that is probably my favorite beer in the world. Its Abita Amber. Probably only John Robbins (down in MS) can get it. It is a microbrew from Abita Springs, Louisiana. It really is great beer. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Beer
Light beer is like, sex in a canoe. Not worth the risk. That being said, I do like Sam Adams light. Pete -- Original message -- From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rolf wrote: Duvel is overpriced and lacks in taste compared to some others. I had a 6 pack of Crystal Weiss this weekend. Some of the best american made weissbier I have ever had. I am a wimp when it comes to beer. I like it VERY light. I usually just drink Miller Lite. However, there is one beer that is a little darker that is probably my favorite beer in the world. Its Abita Amber. Probably only John Robbins (down in MS) can get it. It is a microbrew from Abita Springs, Louisiana. It really is great beer. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: 2D physics simulator - Phun (free)
I seldom post stuff like this, but it deserves mention: Demo Video: http://lifehacker.com/389190/phun-teaches-physics-lessons-the-best-way-possible Download (Windows, Linux, Mac): http://www.phun.at/ -Dave Walton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob
I heard that alot when I first started riding. Then I bought a Kawasaki LTD 454 for my wife. ~32hp IIRC and its fine. Sure its at 5700rpm on the highway but it acclerated faster than a same year Corvette (supposedly anyway) and has plenty of power for hauling my butt around. I've ridden it on the highway for an hour at a time on my commute with no issue. It does have a fairly narrow seat and its a small bike so I look goofy on it but not any worse than I would on a Harley Sportster... Which is not to say I don't understand power, my CB900f has LOTS of power and is LOTS of fun and needs alot less shifting but the Kawi was 1/2 the money. BTW I'd suggest something in a standard. I find them alot easier to ride for a newbie. Something like LT Don's CB500 is a nice choice. -Curt Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:19:34 -0700 (PDT) From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I'm just partial to my Virago because of my experiences. Just about any metric cruiser in this size range would do the job for him. I certainly wouldn't get out on the highway with anything less than a 750. Dan - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Beer
Stopped there a few years ago (Abita) Can't remember which brew I had but it was ok, which means it is a traditional european type beer, not the run of the mill American stuff. Food was good. I'd go back anytime! At 11:31 AM 5/12/2008, you wrote: Rolf wrote: Duvel is overpriced and lacks in taste compared to some others. I had a 6 pack of Crystal Weiss this weekend. Some of the best american made weissbier I have ever had. I am a wimp when it comes to beer. I like it VERY light. I usually just drink Miller Lite. However, there is one beer that is a little darker that is probably my favorite beer in the world. Its Abita Amber. Probably only John Robbins (down in MS) can get it. It is a microbrew from Abita Springs, Louisiana. It really is great beer. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
Now thats just not true... Again Kawi 454, 40,000+ miles on it. Runs fine, compression in the 120 range, starts easy... -Curt Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 02:52:22 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed snip The Honda 750 Goldwings are reliable and will go 100,000 miles. a smallish two cylinder will die in a year! snip Jim in Phoenix - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester
I've been happy with them. The manuals are great, especially for the somewhat mechanically challenged such as myself. The kits are outrageously over priced, but sometimes worth getting just to see what he uses, then buying the stuff yourself next time around (radiator neck upgrade, wheel restoration kit). Chris Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Avoid buying anything from mercedesource. Ever. Rip off scam artists. Google mercedessourse and scam/ripoff. -Rolf Robert Rentfro wrote: Is this anything? Looks pretty simple for two C notes. (hope I did the attach thing right) Bob R. -- next part -- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: MercedesSource.com Subject: [MercedesSource.com Bi-weekly Update] Mercedessource Newsletter May 11 2008 Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:20:48 -0700 Size: 5338 Url: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080511/1de132bb/attachment.mht ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Bünter u. Bügel Diesel Sales Service -1985 300SD, 373K km, Wulf, B20-getrieben -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 60K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -'75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt, '84 300Dt '83 240D - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Beer
We get that stuff here in Occupied Aztlan, Turbodog and the whole line. I had some once or twice, it was OK but not memorable. Shiner makes some nice beers that are kinda light in taste, but still have flavor -- Blond, 99, they have a light (why bother), and occasional weissbiers and some other stuff they make now and again. But you gotta have Shiner Bock with your Q. --R Donald Snook wrote: RIts Abita Amber. Probably only John Robbins (down in MS) can get it. It is a microbrew from Abita Springs, Louisiana. It really is great beer. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
Was true of 60s Beezumphs BTDT At 11:58 AM 5/12/2008, you wrote: Now thats just not true... Again Kawi 454, 40,000+ miles on it. Runs fine, compression in the 120 range, starts easy... -Curt Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 02:52:22 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed snip The Honda 750 Goldwings are reliable and will go 100,000 miles. a smallish two cylinder will die in a year! snip Jim in Phoenix - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD tranny control cable questions
And when/if you do so, do NOT CUT OFF the old cable until you have the pan off and have verified that you have the correct replacement. There are at least two styles of connector at the end inside the transmission, and they don't interchange. As the shop that did mine found out at 2 p.m. on Friday, after their wrench had snipped the cable before he pulled the pan. I did enjoy a nice rental car for the weekend, however, on their dime. Mac on 5/11/08 20:44, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are probably going to need a new cable. You have to pull the pan and unhook the other end there. Kevin Kraly wrote: Well, I finally got a chance to feel around under the hood of the 300SD the other day and found the tranny control cable (passenger's side of throttle linkage arrangement). While turning the housing adjustment inward to loosen the cable as some suggested, I think I broke the end that threads into the bracket that holds the cable! It looks as if there are two different sizes of threads with the larger diameter furthest from the cable housing tube. Now come the questions! 1. Can I remove the ball socket end, cut off the broken piece of the housing and thread it back through? 2. Is the housing done for? 3. If #2, how hard is it to replace, and does it require the removal of the tranny pan? TIA, Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 upper console removal
Thanks, Alex. That helps. 'Just trying to prepare for dash and evap removal. What about radio removal? I know about lower console, and I have a writeup from mercedesshop about dash, speakers, etc. 'Have little detail about upper console, radio, climate control, upper switches, etc. Any tips on dash? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 turbodiesel complete loss of oil - is it always fatal? How do you know?
Cheapest solution or cheapest diagnosis? There's no way I would drive a nonaspirated diesel ever again! On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pull the turbo off before you do anything and see if it runs better. Not likely to be an easy solution but it certainly would be the cheapest. -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: My new '83 wagon was delivered yesterday. Story is that it lost its oil when the PO was driving at 75 mph on the highway, coming up a hill. He had a collapsed motor mount that gave way completely, causing the engine to shift and cut the oil cooler line. Voila! -- total loss of oil. When he noticed the car losing speed and the engine warning light, he stopped the car immediately and had it towed. The next day he replaced the line, filled her back up with oil, and the guess what - the car has no power and the engine like it has a case of chronic bronchitis when idling. Now that I have taken over this car, I have two questions. 1) What is the likelihood that the engine is ruined (needs a rebuild or replacement) vs. something slightly less drastic, and 2) how would a mechanic go about making the correct diagnosis? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester
I like their cool little booklets, but once I had to negotiate a partial refund because the kit actually did NOT cover one of the models it said it covered. On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been happy with them. The manuals are great, especially for the somewhat mechanically challenged such as myself. The kits are outrageously over priced, but sometimes worth getting just to see what he uses, then buying the stuff yourself next time around (radiator neck upgrade, wheel restoration kit). Chris Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Avoid buying anything from mercedesource. Ever. Rip off scam artists. Google mercedessourse and scam/ripoff. -Rolf Robert Rentfro wrote: Is this anything? Looks pretty simple for two C notes. (hope I did the attach thing right) Bob R. -- next part -- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: MercedesSource.com Subject: [MercedesSource.com Bi-weekly Update] Mercedessource Newsletter May 11 2008 Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:20:48 -0700 Size: 5338 Url: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080511/1de132bb/attachment.mht ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Bünter u. Bügel Diesel Sales Service -1985 300SD, 373K km, Wulf, B20-getrieben -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 60K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -'75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt, '84 300Dt '83 240D - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Beer
Then there are the little known but quick-working 9.5 percent Quebec brews On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We get that stuff here in Occupied Aztlan, Turbodog and the whole line. I had some once or twice, it was OK but not memorable. Shiner makes some nice beers that are kinda light in taste, but still have flavor -- Blond, 99, they have a light (why bother), and occasional weissbiers and some other stuff they make now and again. But you gotta have Shiner Bock with your Q. --R Donald Snook wrote: RIts Abita Amber. Probably only John Robbins (down in MS) can get it. It is a microbrew from Abita Springs, Louisiana. It really is great beer. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Fuel Injector Tester NOW Mercedesource
I have not bought anything from them but have often looked at their site. Tried to buy a fuel filter water separator but they were out of stock. They may be expensive and they may sell simplified stuff to some extent but I have to admire what I perceive to be their good intentions. They do seem intent upon helping folks keep these old cars moving forward. Some folks are not as technically able as some of the folks on this forum. They are probably helpful to people who would not otherwise figure out things on their own. This sort of thing is not cheap to do or easy and the result is that they have to charge for their services. The American way right? Everyone is entitled to make a good living. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Avoid buying anything from mercedesource. Ever. Rip off scam artists. Google mercedessourse and scam/ripoff. Really? I've never bought anything from them but a lot of people on the mercedesshop forum seem happy with their homebrew repair manuals. Alex Chamberlain passel of 124s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 turbodiesel complete loss of oil - is it alwaysfatal? How do you know?
Its not so bad. Since I got the carbon blown out of my poor old 300D is moves along quite nicely without my feeling like I am abusing it. We went to my brother in law's yesterday about 30 miles away with 4 of us in the car and ran along at 75 mph much of the way. Wouldn't have gone any faster if I had a turbo and should not have been going that fast as it would be enough over the limit to get a pretty big ticket. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 12:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300 turbodiesel complete loss of oil - is it alwaysfatal? How do you know? Cheapest solution or cheapest diagnosis? There's no way I would drive a nonaspirated diesel ever again! On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pull the turbo off before you do anything and see if it runs better. Not likely to be an easy solution but it certainly would be the cheapest. -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: My new '83 wagon was delivered yesterday. Story is that it lost its oil when the PO was driving at 75 mph on the highway, coming up a hill. He had a collapsed motor mount that gave way completely, causing the engine to shift and cut the oil cooler line. Voila! -- total loss of oil. When he noticed the car losing speed and the engine warning light, he stopped the car immediately and had it towed. The next day he replaced the line, filled her back up with oil, and the guess what - the car has no power and the engine like it has a case of chronic bronchitis when idling. Now that I have taken over this car, I have two questions. 1) What is the likelihood that the engine is ruined (needs a rebuild or replacement) vs. something slightly less drastic, and 2) how would a mechanic go about making the correct diagnosis? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Fuel Injector Tester NOW Mercedesource
I cannot say that they are or are not rip off artists. For I have never bought anything except the how to books/booklets. BUT I CAN SAY - When I began to work with these Mercedes cars last year it was their Mercedes For Dummies booklet format that made me believe in myself. Dave H... -- From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS Fuel Injector Tester NOW Mercedesource I have not bought anything from them but have often looked at their site. Tried to buy a fuel filter water separator but they were out of stock. They may be expensive and they may sell simplified stuff to some extent but I have to admire what I perceive to be their good intentions. They do seem intent upon helping folks keep these old cars moving forward. Some folks are not as technically able as some of the folks on this forum. They are probably helpful to people who would not otherwise figure out things on their own. This sort of thing is not cheap to do or easy and the result is that they have to charge for their services. The American way right? Everyone is entitled to make a good living. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Avoid buying anything from mercedesource. Ever. Rip off scam artists. Google mercedessourse and scam/ripoff. Really? I've never bought anything from them but a lot of people on the mercedesshop forum seem happy with their homebrew repair manuals. Alex Chamberlain passel of 124s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 turbodiesel complete loss of oil - is it always fatal? How do you know?
My euro 300D would pull 100+mph all day long. Was certainly lighter than my federal spec cars and had pretty decent pickup. The M pump should be a standard drop in replacement for anyone with an NA federal spec car. -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: Cheapest solution or cheapest diagnosis? There's no way I would drive a nonaspirated diesel ever again! On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pull the turbo off before you do anything and see if it runs better. Not likely to be an easy solution but it certainly would be the cheapest. -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: My new '83 wagon was delivered yesterday. Story is that it lost its oil when the PO was driving at 75 mph on the highway, coming up a hill. He had a collapsed motor mount that gave way completely, causing the engine to shift and cut the oil cooler line. Voila! -- total loss of oil. When he noticed the car losing speed and the engine warning light, he stopped the car immediately and had it towed. The next day he replaced the line, filled her back up with oil, and the guess what - the car has no power and the engine like it has a case of chronic bronchitis when idling. Now that I have taken over this car, I have two questions. 1) What is the likelihood that the engine is ruined (needs a rebuild or replacement) vs. something slightly less drastic, and 2) how would a mechanic go about making the correct diagnosis? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Fuel Injector Tester NOW Mercedesource
I have never really heard anything about about the videos, help docs. Its the markup on the products that borderlines usery. Zen and the art of VW maintenance was the book that started it all for me. The only thing that scares me in a car these days is computer chips. -Rolf Dave H... wrote: I cannot say that they are or are not rip off artists. For I have never bought anything except the how to books/booklets. BUT I CAN SAY - When I began to work with these Mercedes cars last year it was their Mercedes For Dummies booklet format that made me believe in myself. Dave H... -- From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS Fuel Injector Tester NOW Mercedesource I have not bought anything from them but have often looked at their site. Tried to buy a fuel filter water separator but they were out of stock. They may be expensive and they may sell simplified stuff to some extent but I have to admire what I perceive to be their good intentions. They do seem intent upon helping folks keep these old cars moving forward. Some folks are not as technically able as some of the folks on this forum. They are probably helpful to people who would not otherwise figure out things on their own. This sort of thing is not cheap to do or easy and the result is that they have to charge for their services. The American way right? Everyone is entitled to make a good living. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Avoid buying anything from mercedesource. Ever. Rip off scam artists. Google mercedessourse and scam/ripoff. Really? I've never bought anything from them but a lot of people on the mercedesshop forum seem happy with their homebrew repair manuals. Alex Chamberlain passel of 124s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 upper console removal
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Alex. That helps. 'Just trying to prepare for dash and evap removal. What about radio removal? I know about lower console, and I have a writeup from mercedesshop about dash, speakers, etc. 'Have little detail about upper console, radio, climate control, upper switches, etc. Any tips on dash? Wilton, if you have the original radio, it requires a special tool of some kind. I have no experience with that---every 124 I've owned has had a newer stereo, which seems to always be a friction fit. (Just put your hand or a small helper's hand into the space left when you take out the climate control head unit, undo the plugs, and push it out from the back.) The switches above the climate control---headrest release, etc.---pop out towards the interior of the car, I think. Re dash removal, I'd warn you, to preserve the cosmetics of your car, be VERY careful with the side vents, since the clips are very tight and the plastic is brittle. If they break on removal, the vent housings must be replaced or repaired carefully to stay tight and square (i.e. you can't put them back into their openings broken and trust the rest of the dash to hold them together). Otherwise the tiny plastic rack mechanism that keeps the louvers parallel as you adjust them will not work as designed, and the louvers will get out of sync and look crummy (and not work as well to direct the air!). Before pulling the center vent, make sure you have a long 4.5 mm hex wrench (Harbor Freight sells one as part of a metric T-handle set for $10 or so) to release the lever that controls the main fresh air flap. The center vent is a friction fit on the left and held by one screw on the right which is hidden and accessible only after you remove the glove compartment. The frame is metal but the body of the vent is plastic and just as easy to break as the side vents. Watch out for the bulb and don't short the wires leading to it with the battery hooked up, unless you want to blow the secret red fuse hidden behind the instrument panel. (Although if you are taking the whole dash apart, a good job to do at the same time would be to not only change all the bulbs in the instrument panel but also the red fuse, and repaint the gauge needles.) Can't think of anything else right now. I haven't actually had to R R the dash in any of my 124s yet (knock on wood), but have done some of the preliminary work as the above suggests. I'd strongly suggest that you get in touch with Dave Meimann, who hangs out on Rusty's web forum and at the 500ecstasy.com site. He's done this job more than once and probably has some helpful tips. (Tell him I sent you---he is a big '87 300D fan and found mine for me.) Alex Chamberlain passel of 124s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Fuel Injector Tester NOW Mercedesource
I should add: Compared to someone like DieselGiant, mercessource is a rip off. I have ALWAYS respected Russell for the quality help he provides on the boards and his DIY article. I have even bit my tongue and purchased from him knowing I could get better prices elsewhere (I am a cheapskate). His markup is extremely nominal compared to mercessource and the fact that he is active on the boards and gives out a lot of free advice makes it a decent place to shop. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Help! I want my 300D back! 380SL
MY 300D is being held hostage until I can get this gasser fixed! Intermittent random stalling on Daughter's SL started last fall. Was ok warm, but sometimes would not start when hot. Listmembers suggested the fuel pump and or FP relay. I changed the pump and finally got a used FP relay and in the interim, I did a Cathey resolder of the old FP relay. Went out just now and plugged them in. No Go, with either relay. FP still runs with a jumper between 30 and 87a terminals. FP does not run with either relay. This leads me to suspect a bad feed into the relay, rather than a bad relay. Can anyone find a wiring diagram for 1985 380SL so I can check this out? Any other ideas? I am tempted to install a manual FP switch in the interim time. Then I could get my 300D back and she could drive the SL until I get this fixed. Loren Faeth 87 300D et al ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 service CD
Will the factory service CD help me significantly for evaporator/dash, etc, removal on my 87 300D? 'Anybody have good deal on one? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Fuel Injector Tester NOW Mercedesource
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zen and the art of VW maintenance was the book that started it all for me. The only thing that scares me in a car these days is computer chips. Pshaw, that's what OBDII scanners and the like are for. The cars to really watch out for are those that are new enough to have a lot of solid-state electronics controlling critical functions, but old enough to not speak a standard diagnostic protocol (pretty much anything Japanese or American from the late '80s to 1995). Diagnosis on those is murder. Alex Chamberlain 124s galore ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Fuel Injector Tester NOW Mercedesource
As a programmer the last thing I want to do is work on computers in my car :) Give me good old solid state or none at all. The thing I *really* hate about newer cars is the black box. -Rolf Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zen and the art of VW maintenance was the book that started it all for me. The only thing that scares me in a car these days is computer chips. Pshaw, that's what OBDII scanners and the like are for. The cars to really watch out for are those that are new enough to have a lot of solid-state electronics controlling critical functions, but old enough to not speak a standard diagnostic protocol (pretty much anything Japanese or American from the late '80s to 1995). Diagnosis on those is murder. Alex Chamberlain 124s galore ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 upper console
Thanks, again, Alex. I've copied some of Dave Meimann's tips from mercedesshop. 'Think I'll try to reach 'im. Re. 4.5 mm Allen wrench: Does Harbor Feight have an online catalog? I'll try to find it. BTW, I do have the orig. radio. Everything is orig. - very near showroom at 108 kmi - 'pity to have to do this to this car! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 upper console
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re. 4.5 mm Allen wrench: Does Harbor Feight have an online catalog? I'll try to find it. This is the set you want: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=37862 Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 service CD
Didn't Dan or Don or Jim or somebody have a server to download those at one time? I got 116, 201 and 123 from that other site (braingears?) several years ago when it took me 20 hours to download a CD. Wilton Strickland wrote: Will the factory service CD help me significantly for evaporator/dash, etc, removal on my 87 300D? 'Anybody have good deal on one? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 upper console
Thanks, Alex. 'Just ordered the metric Allen set from HF. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 service CD
Don (the Wonko one) has them. I gave him the W124 CDs at the IowaQ... so he has those now as well. Mitch Haley wrote: Didn't Dan or Don or Jim or somebody have a server to download those at one time? I got 116, 201 and 123 from that other site (braingears?) several years ago when it took me 20 hours to download a CD. Wilton Strickland wrote: Will the factory service CD help me significantly for evaporator/dash, etc, removal on my 87 300D? 'Anybody have good deal on one? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Help! I want my 300D back! 380SL
My Saab 99 developed the 'no hot start' problem when it was parked for a year. Jumpering the fuel pump relay had no effect, nor did unplugging the relay (which should have helped if it were flooded). Nothing other than a minute or two of cranking would start it, and I never figured out why. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 service CD
Didn't Wonko take down his web server? Did Jim Cathey ever have one? I wouldn't be surprised to see Wonko burn copies and mail them to Wilton. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Help! I want my 300D back! 380SL
This is different, because the fuel pump does not run with the old resoldered relay or the new (used) relay in place. The fuel pump does run and the engine starts and runs with the FP relay plug jumpered. This leads me to the question of what are the inputs to the relay. At 02:35 PM 5/12/2008, you wrote: My Saab 99 developed the 'no hot start' problem when it was parked for a year. Jumpering the fuel pump relay had no effect, nor did unplugging the relay (which should have helped if it were flooded). Nothing other than a minute or two of cranking would start it, and I never figured out why. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 service CD
Mitch Haley wrote: Didn't Wonko take down his web server? Not a clue. I wouldn't be surprised to see Wonko burn copies and mail them to Wilton. I've got a webserver I can put the W124 and W116 CDs on, but it would be on an individual basis... if Wonko doesn't have his stuff anymore let me know Wilton. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 turbodiesel complete loss of oil - is it always fatal? How do you know?
Sorry - didn't mean to offend anyone in the nonaspirated sub-clique. ;) I have in fact owned two NA 300 diesels, a '76 (identical to Randy's) and a 1980 300D (anthracite/sienna).. They were both great cars but I got tired of the noise... On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My euro 300D would pull 100+mph all day long. Was certainly lighter than my federal spec cars and had pretty decent pickup. The M pump should be a standard drop in replacement for anyone with an NA federal spec car. -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: Cheapest solution or cheapest diagnosis? There's no way I would drive a nonaspirated diesel ever again! On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pull the turbo off before you do anything and see if it runs better. Not likely to be an easy solution but it certainly would be the cheapest. -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: My new '83 wagon was delivered yesterday. Story is that it lost its oil when the PO was driving at 75 mph on the highway, coming up a hill. He had a collapsed motor mount that gave way completely, causing the engine to shift and cut the oil cooler line. Voila! -- total loss of oil. When he noticed the car losing speed and the engine warning light, he stopped the car immediately and had it towed. The next day he replaced the line, filled her back up with oil, and the guess what - the car has no power and the engine like it has a case of chronic bronchitis when idling. Now that I have taken over this car, I have two questions. 1) What is the likelihood that the engine is ruined (needs a rebuild or replacement) vs. something slightly less drastic, and 2) how would a mechanic go about making the correct diagnosis? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Beer
Sam Light is the only light worth drinking... I'm into dark beer. A really good beer should slap you around a bit on the way down. I had a coffee porter that was outstanding not long ago, should get some more of that. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:42:43 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Beer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Light beer is like, sex in a canoe. Not worth the risk. That being said, I do like Sam Adams light. Pete - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester
I bought his sunroof kit and seat book. Both were decent and handy for somebody who just couldn't figure it out from the factory descriptions. -Curt Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:05:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I've been happy with them. The manuals are great, especially for the somewhat mechanically challenged such as myself. The kits are outrageously over priced, but sometimes worth getting just to see what he uses, then buying the stuff yourself next time around (radiator neck upgrade, wheel restoration kit). Chris Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Avoid buying anything from mercedesource. Ever. Rip off scam artists. Google mercedessourse and scam/ripoff. -Rolf Robert Rentfro wrote: Is this anything? Looks pretty simple for two C notes. (hope I did the attach thing right) Bob R. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
Big difference between any '60s bike and an '89 Kawi. I sat on an early '70s Honda 450 the other day. I liked the look, liked the seating position, liked the price. HATED the drum brakes. They felt squishy and unresponsive. Tried another one, it felt exactly the same. Double disks on my Honda have spoiled me forever, the single on the Kawi isn't bad, drums I'll never have... -Curt Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:00:04 -0500 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Was true of 60s Beezumphs BTDT At 11:58 AM 5/12/2008, you wrote: Now thats just not true... Again Kawi 454, 40,000+ miles on it. Runs fine, compression in the 120 range, starts easy... -Curt Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 02:52:22 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed snip The Honda 750 Goldwings are reliable and will go 100,000 miles. a smallish two cylinder will die in a year! snip Jim in Phoenix - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] STAR error
Which is... ? If I post it here, some do-gooder will blab. I'd just as soon wait to see how long it takes for the person involved to catch on. Any long time MBCA member who is as smart as he thinks he is has already seen it. RLE ** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
Aye, I am no longer allowed to ride (got the scars to prove it) until the kids are in college (I'll be damned if I wait that long). I had been working on restoring a 67 Kawa Avenger, got what a beautiful bike it would have been. Sold it to buy a parts W123. Drum brakes are scary. I've had a variety of newish bikes, vf500, vfr750, cbr600, sv650. Sv650 was by far the best. A little to small and the suspension was a weak up front but it was just plain fun. The VFR was a great bike but a little to heavy. Still would love to have an older BMW or cafe racer. Disc brakes would be a requirement. -Rolf Curt Raymond wrote: Big difference between any '60s bike and an '89 Kawi. I sat on an early '70s Honda 450 the other day. I liked the look, liked the seating position, liked the price. HATED the drum brakes. They felt squishy and unresponsive. Tried another one, it felt exactly the same. Double disks on my Honda have spoiled me forever, the single on the Kawi isn't bad, drums I'll never have... -Curt Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:00:04 -0500 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Was true of 60s Beezumphs BTDT At 11:58 AM 5/12/2008, you wrote: Now thats just not true... Again Kawi 454, 40,000+ miles on it. Runs fine, compression in the 120 range, starts easy... -Curt Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 02:52:22 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed snip The Honda 750 Goldwings are reliable and will go 100,000 miles. a smallish two cylinder will die in a year! snip Jim in Phoenix - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 service CD
'Spose somebody/Wonko/LTDon would let me borrow,rent, etc., as necessary, appropriate CD for a copy of my B-52 book, In The BUFF? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ninja
A true crotch rocket, like a Ninja 600, would be even more painful to ride 80 miles than a Shadow, assuming he lived that long (seriously, Bob, a 600 Ninja and the other race bikes with headlights that it competes with are very dangerous in the wrong hands, if you move the throttle 1/4 turn when you sneeze it will bite you). Speaking of Ninjas, I posted this last year... .my good friend DJ died three weeks ago and we are wondering what the value of his '84 Kawasaki Ninja might be. It has 6400 miles on it and has never been laid down. What size? Seems like there was a 600 and a 900 back then. I don't know what it would sell for, but it would probably advertise for $2-3k in Michigan. 900A1. His wife finally sold it for $500. He rode it to Reno and back long ago. Learned his lesson. RLE ** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ninja
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 900A1. His wife finally sold it for $500. He rode it to Reno and back long ago. Learned his lesson. Ive got to think that was a bargain for the original big bore crotch rocket. My favorite from that era was the 84-86 VF500F Honda Interceptor. Cheapest I see those is 3x what she got for the Ninja, and they look BEAT at that price. A beat up but running 1988 250 Ninja is probably worth about $500. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 center console
BTW, Alex, instrument needles, etc., on my '87 124 are still bright and clear. Car was parked in dark garage all the time 'till I got it nearly 4 years ago. Lack of sun is a major thing that kept it so pristine - well, that and a meticulous, caring owner. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ninja
Ya, $500 for a 250 is about right. I've ridden but never owned a Ninja. Cant stand them, rubber band bikes. No torque or power until upper and then its unwieldy. Love the V fours! -Rolf Mitch Haley wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 900A1. His wife finally sold it for $500. He rode it to Reno and back long ago. Learned his lesson. Ive got to think that was a bargain for the original big bore crotch rocket. My favorite from that era was the 84-86 VF500F Honda Interceptor. Cheapest I see those is 3x what she got for the Ninja, and they look BEAT at that price. A beat up but running 1988 250 Ninja is probably worth about $500. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
Drum brakes are still good brakes. One must usually upgrade the old bikes. Put on new hoses for one thing. Old hoses get squishy and that makes the brakes feel squishy. Randy Further comment to item noted below. I do not think that Honda ever called a 750 a Goldwing. The original Goldwings were 1000cc and then they just kept getting bigger. There were Silverwings that were 500cc I think. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:35 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! Big difference between any '60s bike and an '89 Kawi. I sat on an early '70s Honda 450 the other day. I liked the look, liked the seating position, liked the price. HATED the drum brakes. They felt squishy and unresponsive. Tried another one, it felt exactly the same. Double disks on my Honda have spoiled me forever, the single on the Kawi isn't bad, drums I'll never have... -Curt Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:00:04 -0500 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Was true of 60s Beezumphs BTDT At 11:58 AM 5/12/2008, you wrote: Now thats just not true... Again Kawi 454, 40,000+ miles on it. Runs fine, compression in the 120 range, starts easy... -Curt Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 02:52:22 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT! To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed snip The Honda 750 Goldwings are reliable and will go 100,000 miles. a smallish two cylinder will die in a year! snip Jim in Phoenix - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 upper console removal
Pull carpet behind the wood trim on the console and remove the screw holding the trim down. Pry up on the tab (don't pull on the trim, you'll rip the tab off). Once free, lift the rear of the trim up until the stuff unplugs and you can unhook the trim (and switches that stay in it) and remove. Open ash tray, remove tray, remove the two screws on the bottom, pull assembly out, remembering to unplug cig lighter and lamp from the assembly before you pull the wires off. Remove the two screws underneath the trim just above the radio and swing it up, unhook and remove. Radio is held in by two clips underneath, find them and hold them released (don't remember if you push up or pull down at the moment, it's obvious once you find them) and pull radio out, unplug all the wires. Two large screws and two small ones hold the climate control in, remove, then pry off the two large connectors to free it. The bar holding the switches presses into place, but I don't remember if it's from the back or the front -- push firmly to the left and back, I think, to unhook the right side (look carefully, it breaks easily). You can leave it swinging or unplug everything it you want. Do you need to remove the console itself, or just the guts? If you need to take the whole console out, unhook the carpet from the clips on the sides (two on each), remove the screws in the rear, the screws at the lower front (beside the gas pedal and opposite side, same place) and the two 10mm nuts at the top. Console will then lift at the rear and clear the studs in the dash panel. Note that you may have to remove both under-dash panels, I don't remember at the moment. Peter On May 12, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Wilton Strickland wrote: Anybody have any good tips for removal of '87 W124 UPPER center console - radio, climate control, etc? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Memo to Kleb and anyone else with driveshaft vibe
Just unpacked my junkyard 124 300D driveshaft (1987). I had them match mark it before they pulled it apart (i hope) The u-joint end has 2 marks cast into the yoke. The other end had one mark. Neither end had the two lines with a to make an arrow, as previously described on the list. If the matchmarks are right, then the line on the plain end lines up with the more counterclockwise mark on the yoke, if you are facing the yoke with the splines pointing toward you. That makes the yokes on each end line up. The junkyard marked the nut on the spline fitting, and I forgot to transfer that line to the shaft BEFORE i loosened the nut! OOPS! But I had lined up the factory marks, so I used plan B. I put a new carrier bearing and mount on this one. When I get the other one out, I will see if it is obviously out of line. I don't like the feel of the u-joint, but it will likely be ok for a long time. I sure hope this works. I don't want to spend $1000 for a driveshaft rebuild/balance for a $3000 car. Loren 1987 300D et al (If I can ever get the 380SL running so I get it back again. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Duvel is overpriced
Some think Anchor Steam is something special. Personally, I don't. Here are a few others which are also exceptional: St. Feuillien Abbey Ale (Belgian Special Blond Ale) Leffe Blonde Abbey Ale Clovis Special Belgian Ale Barber Belgian Honey Ale Blanche De Bruxelles (Belgian White Ale) Pax Belgian White Ale (Limburgs Wit) If Michael Jackson (The one who actually made a positive societal mark in his life) were still with us, I believe he would agree to these being top notch as well. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
R A Bennell wrote: Drum brakes are still good brakes. One must usually upgrade the old bikes. Put on new hoses for one thing. I don't think I've ever seen a hydraulic drum brake on a bike. Usually cable operated double leading shoe front and rod operated single leading shoe rear. The servo action of a double leading shoe brake takes a bit of getting used to. I'm glad my old CB200 had a cable operated disk on the front. Lightweight, powerful and reliable. Brake cables don't turn to caramel over the winter like brake fluid does. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] diesel
damn you OK Don wrote: IIRC, I got about 45 MPG on both the R69S and the R100, but that was awhile ago. I'm very happy with 30- 33 in the 602 engined cars. Update on the '92 that Kaleb's still crying about - at 778 miles so far, it's averaged 31.6 MPG - mixed city and highway. On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last time I checked (rarely do), my '72 Honda CB-500K came in a 60 mpg. That was on a 200 mile round trip to/from a business meeting, running mostly at 60 mph. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD tranny control cable questions
try jb weld Kevin Kraly wrote: Darn, I was afraid of that! I think I'm going to try to do it the Catheyesque way and get the broken piece cut apart, taken off the cable and get the 2 or 3 inches of threads that are still left to go into the adjuster. I need some good luck! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 upper console removal
Thanks, Peter. Yes, I'll need to remove entire center console and dash for evaporator swap. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
