Re: [MBZ] question for you australians
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen OCEANIA when doing Linux installs (for timezone) and always wondered what that meant. Shame on you then for not having read 1984. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] short block vs. long block - 1983 300TD
There is nothing reputable about Adsit, IMHO. Steer very clear of them. Dan --- andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As feared, my new rust free 1983 wagon does indeed have a bad engine. :((I was thinking of taking the drive train from my decent running 1983 rusty 300TD, but this seems somewhat criminal; I would rather sell it as a daily driver to someone willing to give it a new lease on life. Finding another used engine for this car is tricky because it must come from a 1982-84 turbo wagon (not from an '85), so I need to explore other options. Is there any source other than Adsit where I get a reputable rebuilt engine? What are the advantage or disadvantages of buying a cheaper short block? All suggestions greatly appreciated! Rusty only sells rebuilt transmissions. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
Tom Hargrave wrote: I suspect that it would not be such a good idea to burn off our own oil reserves. Funny, I used to use a firewood analogy to illustrate dependence on foreign oil. If you can burn your trees or buy your neighbor's trees, do you become more or less dependent on his trees after you cut yours down and burn them? I used to say we've got no business drilling the last major pocket of oil in Alaska as long as the Saudis will sell us all we want for less than $100 a bbl. Now that the federal reserve has converted our currency into toilet paper (Hey, want to blame somebody for high prices? There's your culprit.) I'm thinking that as long as we can get what we NEED for under $200 a barrel, we should keep what we have underground. You wanna see oil prices plummet? You've got two choices. Either the government stops printing money and loaning it to banks for less than the inflation rate, or the US military reduces its petroleum consumption to below the output of Venezuela. The war for oil is costing us more than just lives and money, it's also consuming the oil we're fighting to gain control of. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] manchester united club champions of europe
Not really, Zedic's team has so much silverware it's just another one to toss on the pilehow did Chelsea do? ;-) Real shame when they lost to Barnsley. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] short block vs. long block - 1983 300TD
How rusty is the good running wagon? Is it just looking not so perfect, or does it have holes in the rockers/wheel wells/floors? Wouldn't you rather have the drivetrain you've come to know and trust? I think giving the rust free car a heart transplant from your known car is better than selling your old car to somebody who will spend another couple of years running it into the ground and crushing it. Your choices are a 81-84 S123 engine and whatever other parts you want to move with it, or an 85 engine and torque converter and differential and speedometer and whatever other parts you want to use. (81 wagons are turbos, 82 sedans and coupes got the turbo). Now that the speed limit isn't 55mph, the ideal swap might be the 83 engine and tranny from your good runner, with the diff and speedo from a 1985 300D, CD, or TD. Mitch. andrew strasfogel wrote: As feared, my new rust free 1983 wagon does indeed have a bad engine. :((I was thinking of taking the drive train from my decent running 1983 rusty 300TD, but this seems somewhat criminal; I would rather sell it as a daily driver to someone willing to give it a new lease on life. Finding another used engine for this car is tricky because it must come from a 1982-84 turbo wagon (not from an '85), so I need to explore other options. Is there any source other than Adsit where I get a reputable rebuilt engine? What are the advantage or disadvantages of buying a cheaper short block? All suggestions greatly appreciated! Rusty only sells rebuilt transmissions. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
If my old memory serves, during the energy crisis of the early 70's, we were
told that if the price of oil went up by some magic figure {Maybe 25%} the it
would become viable to use our VAST supplies of oil shale.
More trickery and deception?
Pete, my primary concern is heating oil
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
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If my old memory serves, during the energy crisis of the early 70's, we
were told that if the price of oil went up by some magic figure {Maybe 25%}
the it would become viable to use our VAST supplies of oil shale.
That depends. How much energy does it take to extract the shale oil,
and what's that energy cost?
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
No, but the increased price profit did lead to more exploration new
sources for oil. We will eventually use oil shale when the cost gets high
enough to justify processing oil shale.
Processing oil sand has become economical because of price and as a result,
we are importing a lot of oil from Canada.
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If my old memory serves, during the energy crisis of the early 70's, we were
told that if the price of oil went up by some magic figure {Maybe 25%} the
it would become viable to use our VAST supplies of oil shale.
More trickery and deception?
Pete, my primary concern is heating oil
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
As I said, we were told at the time that it would be economically viable when
the price of crude went up some magic figure, I THINK it was 25%.
Pete
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If my old memory serves, during the energy crisis of the early 70's, we
were told that if the price of oil went up by some magic figure {Maybe 25%}
the it would become viable to use our VAST supplies of oil shale.
That depends. How much energy does it take to extract the shale oil,
and what's that energy cost?
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Re: [MBZ] short block vs. long block - 1983 300TD
What about other sources for a rebuilt? On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How rusty is the good running wagon? Is it just looking not so perfect, or does it have holes in the rockers/wheel wells/floors? Wouldn't you rather have the drivetrain you've come to know and trust? I think giving the rust free car a heart transplant from your known car is better than selling your old car to somebody who will spend another couple of years running it into the ground and crushing it. Your choices are a 81-84 S123 engine and whatever other parts you want to move with it, or an 85 engine and torque converter and differential and speedometer and whatever other parts you want to use. (81 wagons are turbos, 82 sedans and coupes got the turbo). Now that the speed limit isn't 55mph, the ideal swap might be the 83 engine and tranny from your good runner, with the diff and speedo from a 1985 300D, CD, or TD. Mitch. andrew strasfogel wrote: As feared, my new rust free 1983 wagon does indeed have a bad engine. :((I was thinking of taking the drive train from my decent running 1983 rusty 300TD, but this seems somewhat criminal; I would rather sell it as a daily driver to someone willing to give it a new lease on life. Finding another used engine for this car is tricky because it must come from a 1982-84 turbo wagon (not from an '85), so I need to explore other options. Is there any source other than Adsit where I get a reputable rebuilt engine? What are the advantage or disadvantages of buying a cheaper short block? All suggestions greatly appreciated! Rusty only sells rebuilt transmissions. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
Let's hope this article is wrong. http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080521145247.aspx Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
Would you continue your current driving habits at $12/gallon? If people won't pay that much for gas, the market won't support that price. Allan Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Let's hope this article is wrong. http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080521145247.aspx ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
i've already given up my driving practices. i don't leave my neighborhood anymore. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you continue your current driving habits at $12/gallon? If people won't pay that much for gas, the market won't support that price. Allan Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Let's hope this article is wrong. http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080521145247.aspx ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
something is so ridiculous about this whole oil thing. for years, oil is cheap and plentiful and the suddenly we are told woops, there is no oil and fuel suddenly triples in price. how is it possible that the whole universe did not know about any oil shortage until one day out of the blue? we are being played for fools here and are more than living up to expectations On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's hope this article is wrong. http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080521145247.aspx Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Benz/VW heresy
Wonko the Sane wrote: Forgive me Lord, but I think I've decided to park my 240D in favor of driving my turbo-diesel VW. This is somewhat the result of my seeing diesel prices in my small town hit $4.55 per gallon. What happened to the 190D? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
And, if/when oil companies are allowed to increase domestic
production, there will be a lot of good jobs and other economic growth
in related supporting business created from that, funded by the
obscene profits that are currently being raked in.
If we prohibit oil companies from making a profit, they simply will not
invest in this, and we'll stay pretty much as we are.
Allan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
As I said, we were told at the time that it would be economically viable
when the price of crude went up some magic figure, I THINK it was 25%.
Pete
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From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If my old memory serves, during the energy crisis of the early 70's, we
were told that if the price of oil went up by some magic figure {Maybe
25%}
the it would become viable to use our VAST supplies of oil shale.
That depends. How much energy does it take to extract the shale oil,
and what's that energy cost?
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Re: [MBZ] 123 sighting
The wastegate may be partially open. Does it have the ARV? If so this may be faulted as well. -Rolf OK Don wrote: The '90 that I bought from you still smokes, though less so after I de-adjusted (backed off) the ALDA. It has something wrong in the turbo control stuff - too much lag. the '92 from Kaleb with another 100,000 miles runs smoke free, no lag. I'l be doing detailed comparison between the two as soon as the '87 300D (son's) leaves the driveway. On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Don wrote: I see no difference in smoke with ULSD. One 300D 2.5t has almost no smoke, the other has a fair amount when you floor it. That should be a good experiment, you even have a control group (sort of). I wonder why one would be different than the other. Aren't they both getting pretty high mpg and both are about the same? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
His analysis is flawed because it's based on an extension of the current supply demand. As prices go up, non-fuel use will drop as manufacturers find alternate materials for their products. Also, more sources will be exploited as the production costs become viable (oil shale, for example). And finally, gas usage will drop as less miles are driven in more economical cars. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:28 AM To: 'mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas? Let's hope this article is wrong. http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080521145247.aspx Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] short block vs. long block - 1983 300TD
I will buy the old head from you. If you want a good engine and don't care about $ as much go with Metric Motors. 85 is the same as the others, the SLS head is what makes it special. With a shortblock you will be reusing the old head. -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: As feared, my new rust free 1983 wagon does indeed have a bad engine. :((I was thinking of taking the drive train from my decent running 1983 rusty 300TD, but this seems somewhat criminal; I would rather sell it as a daily driver to someone willing to give it a new lease on life. Finding another used engine for this car is tricky because it must come from a 1982-84 turbo wagon (not from an '85), so I need to explore other options. Is there any source other than Adsit where I get a reputable rebuilt engine? What are the advantage or disadvantages of buying a cheaper short block? All suggestions greatly appreciated! Rusty only sells rebuilt transmissions. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] short block vs. long block - 1983 300TD
Rolf wrote: 85 is the same as the others, the SLS head is what makes it special. 85 crank is special too. larger centering hole for the torque converter. You can put a 84 TQ on a 85 crank, but it won't be self-centering. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Here come the diesels!
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Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
I remember stating that I would not drive if gas ever crossed $1.50 / gallon! But I also drove a 1972 Olds 98 that got 14 MPG in town if I were careful. But I liked playing with the car 12 MPG was more normal for me. $1.50 / 12 MPG comes to a whopping $0.107 / mile. My 6 cylinder Jeep Grand Cherokee gets 20 MPG in town. $4.00 / 20 MPG comes to $0.20 / mile. I guess that Olds 98 wasn't that bad after all. And gas at $12.00 / gallon? $12.00 / gallon would not be bad in a car that got 60 MPG. $12.00 / 60 MPG comes to $0.20 / mile, same as my Jeep. The 1977 Vette gets 15 MPG in town I think I'll drive it to work today. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas? Would you continue your current driving habits at $12/gallon? If people won't pay that much for gas, the market won't support that price. Allan Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Let's hope this article is wrong. http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080521145247.aspx ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
No, we will go down hill!
Thanks,
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And, if/when oil companies are allowed to increase domestic
production, there will be a lot of good jobs and other economic growth
in related supporting business created from that, funded by the
obscene profits that are currently being raked in.
If we prohibit oil companies from making a profit, they simply will not
invest in this, and we'll stay pretty much as we are.
Allan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
As I said, we were told at the time that it would be economically viable
when the price of crude went up some magic figure, I THINK it was 25%.
Pete
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If my old memory serves, during the energy crisis of the early 70's,
we
were told that if the price of oil went up by some magic figure {Maybe
25%}
the it would become viable to use our VAST supplies of oil shale.
That depends. How much energy does it take to extract the shale oil,
and what's that energy cost?
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Re: [MBZ] Here come the diesels!
John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: http://gas2.org/2008/05/21/clean-diesel-cars-coming-to-us-this-fall-2008-2010-timeline/ I only hope that the current $0.60 - $0.70 per gallon premium for diesel does not kill the demand for these. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] short block vs. long block - 1983 300TD
The pilot bearing is different in the 85, requiring you to use a 85 transmission for the parts to fit right. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:09 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] short block vs. long block - 1983 300TD I will buy the old head from you. If you want a good engine and don't care about $ as much go with Metric Motors. 85 is the same as the others, the SLS head is what makes it special. With a shortblock you will be reusing the old head. -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: As feared, my new rust free 1983 wagon does indeed have a bad engine. :((I was thinking of taking the drive train from my decent running 1983 rusty 300TD, but this seems somewhat criminal; I would rather sell it as a daily driver to someone willing to give it a new lease on life. Finding another used engine for this car is tricky because it must come from a 1982-84 turbo wagon (not from an '85), so I need to explore other options. Is there any source other than Adsit where I get a reputable rebuilt engine? What are the advantage or disadvantages of buying a cheaper short block? All suggestions greatly appreciated! Rusty only sells rebuilt transmissions. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
Allan wrote: Would you continue your current driving habits at $12/gallon? If people won't pay that much for gas, the market won't support that price. I will NOT continue my driving habits at $12/gallon. I will car pool with some of the others at work, or I will drop my wife off at work, or I will buy a 100 MPG scooter. BUT, I won't stop driving, I will just figure out how to dramatically cut my use. The 15 mpg Expedition would just sit in the garage looking pretty. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
We knew that cheap oil was running out, we chose to ignore the message. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas? something is so ridiculous about this whole oil thing. for years, oil is cheap and plentiful and the suddenly we are told woops, there is no oil and fuel suddenly triples in price. how is it possible that the whole universe did not know about any oil shortage until one day out of the blue? we are being played for fools here and are more than living up to expectations On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's hope this article is wrong. http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080521145247.aspx Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] short block vs. long block - 1983 300TD
IF the head on the trashed engine is good, then buy a short block. If the head has more than a couple of small cracks, i'd be inclined to buy a long block if it is not too pricey. Last I knew MB only supplied short blocks. Do check prices from several MB dealers who cater to MBCA. Often the factory price is the best price. Check capitol motors, and ask for the MBCA discount on everything you will need to get the car running. you never know what all the little stuff is that you will need. Check with greater DC Section of MBCA. Surely some of the members have found a good engine builder in the surrounding area. Check with Potomac G.A.P. They are high, but they may have a good engine or short block, if your head is good. Check sun valley Mercedes Dismantlers in CA. They may have a good complete engine. It is the TD head that you need, unless you can fit a tandem pump ala 124 TD. In that case, you only need a sedan 617 turbo engine. Another option might be to find a good crank. Luther had a 617 with a hole in the side. Ask Luther if the crank was good in that engine. Potomac should have a good crank. At 08:18 AM 5/22/2008, you wrote: What about other sources for a rebuilt? On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How rusty is the good running wagon? Is it just looking not so perfect, or does it have holes in the rockers/wheel wells/floors? Wouldn't you rather have the drivetrain you've come to know and trust? I think giving the rust free car a heart transplant from your known car is better than selling your old car to somebody who will spend another couple of years running it into the ground and crushing it. Your choices are a 81-84 S123 engine and whatever other parts you want to move with it, or an 85 engine and torque converter and differential and speedometer and whatever other parts you want to use. (81 wagons are turbos, 82 sedans and coupes got the turbo). Now that the speed limit isn't 55mph, the ideal swap might be the 83 engine and tranny from your good runner, with the diff and speedo from a 1985 300D, CD, or TD. Mitch. andrew strasfogel wrote: As feared, my new rust free 1983 wagon does indeed have a bad engine. :((I was thinking of taking the drive train from my decent running 1983 rusty 300TD, but this seems somewhat criminal; I would rather sell it as a daily driver to someone willing to give it a new lease on life. Finding another used engine for this car is tricky because it must come from a 1982-84 turbo wagon (not from an '85), so I need to explore other options. Is there any source other than Adsit where I get a reputable rebuilt engine? What are the advantage or disadvantages of buying a cheaper short block? All suggestions greatly appreciated! Rusty only sells rebuilt transmissions. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
I remember the same promise. The source was looked at in the early 70s and
at the time the assumption was made that a 25% increase in oil prices would
be enough to cover production. Then the true cost was discovered the price
of oil actually dropped as new conventional sources were brought on line.
When the price of oil gets high enough for them to make a profit mining oil
shale then we will be burning oil from oil shale. But I suspect we will be
gasifying coal first. The infrastructure is already in place for mining and
distributing coal. Plus, most of the coal that's extracted will burn while
only the oil part of oil shale is burnable. The waste product is much
higher for oil shale.
Like I said in an earlier email, mining oil sand has finally become
profitable and as a result, we are importing a lot of oil from Canada.
Here are some good articles on oil shale they aren't all positive:
http://ostseis.anl.gov/guide/oilshale/index.cfm
http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/30/magazines/fortune/Oil_from_stone.fortune/ind
ex.htm
http://www.energybulletin.net/34875.html
And one short article about a company who died trying to process oil shale:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/12/02/1070351580970.html
There is no magic bullet out there to solve our energy crises. If there
were, the oil companies would have jumped on it by now.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
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As I said, we were told at the time that it would be economically viable
when the price of crude went up some magic figure, I THINK it was 25%.
Pete
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If my old memory serves, during the energy crisis of the early 70's, we
were told that if the price of oil went up by some magic figure {Maybe
25%}
the it would become viable to use our VAST supplies of oil shale.
That depends. How much energy does it take to extract the shale oil,
and what's that energy cost?
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Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
and all teh markets ignored the message for years and then one day woke up saying hey, there's a china out there! it's silly to me. btw, why the hell doesn't VW offer that little wagon/suv in diesel to the usa? On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We knew that cheap oil was running out, we chose to ignore the message. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas? something is so ridiculous about this whole oil thing. for years, oil is cheap and plentiful and the suddenly we are told woops, there is no oil and fuel suddenly triples in price. how is it possible that the whole universe did not know about any oil shortage until one day out of the blue? we are being played for fools here and are more than living up to expectations On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's hope this article is wrong. http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080521145247.aspx Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
Gary wrote: something is so ridiculous about this whole oil thing. for years, oil is cheap and plentiful and the suddenly we are told woops, there is no oil and fuel suddenly triples in price. That is a myth that the prices are because there is a shortage of oil. The huge increase in the prices id related to the falling dollar (oil is traded in US dollars), the purposeful tightening of supply by OPEC, the increased demand because of massive economic growth in India, China, and increasing demand because of Military use. ALSO, oil is being produced, but refining is not keeping up. When I used to drive out to western Kansas (where there are HUGE natural gas fields) there were also a lot of pump jacks that were not pumping. Now, every single one of those pump jacks is going. The whole world is producing the oil. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Benz/VW heresy
Gene came to Jefferson on Sunday and pulled the starter (core). He found a rebuilt one on eBay. Think he is going to install the new starter as soon as he can and then take the 190D back to Des Moines. It is definitely his best MPG option, since his other vehicles are two pickups and a large Chrysler product. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:49 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Forgive me Lord, but I think I've decided to park my 240D in favor of driving my turbo-diesel VW. This is somewhat the result of my seeing diesel prices in my small town hit $4.55 per gallon. What happened to the 190D? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Anybody in Pensacola?
I'm hopefully going to be in Pensacola for business the week of June 2nd... Anybody want to meet up for dinner or something? Also, if anybody has any good hotel recommendations I'd appreciate those. :) Thanks! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
Tom H. wrote: His analysis is flawed because it's based on an extension of the current supply demand. Here's an article that says that gas/oil may be going down. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/05/22/ccoil122.xml Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody in Pensacola?
The beach is very nice there, so if possible spend the money and get a room as close as possible to the water. If you are on a budget, there used to be (in 1981) lots of cheaper places close to the Naval Air Station. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:41 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm hopefully going to be in Pensacola for business the week of June 2nd... Anybody want to meet up for dinner or something? Also, if anybody has any good hotel recommendations I'd appreciate those. :) Thanks! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody in Pensacola?
Wonko the Sane wrote: The beach is very nice there, so if possible spend the money and get a room as close as possible to the water. If you are on a budget, there used to be (in 1981) lots of cheaper places close to the Naval Air Station. Work is paying for it, and they don't have a problem with a nicer hotel so long as it isn't obscene. A business class hotel wouldn't be a problem at all. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fuel Price!
Are we forgetting that in the last 10 years or so, everyone's been buying those big SUV's and Minivans that get 10-15 MPG instead of smaller, more efficient vehicles? Prices are up because of demand. If we conserve and demand drops, I'm sure prices will follow.hopefully. That's not to say the oil co's aren't taking advantage of the situaition. Also, if crude is traded in dollars, and we've devalued our currency, how much has cude gone up just due to that? Just my opinion...YMMV Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532); 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MSU wins again!
http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/05/mississippi-sta.html http://domesticfuel.com/2008/05/21/bulldogs-biodiesel-dominate-challenge-x/ http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives/2008/05/challenge_x_cro_1.html I wasn't in the competition, but I work closely with the folks who are and they definitely deserve the award. The vehicle drives/feels just like a factory vehicle!! 34mpg on the highway isn't too bad for an Equinox either ;) and thats real world driving (we got that driving the car to Huntsville for a conference). It was a lot of work, but they were exposed to MANY opportunities and experiences through the program (interviewed by Jay Leno, able to attend the California auto show, free training and travel to different places, etc etc). I think I'm going to join the bandwagon with the next competition, EcoCAR. :) John the MSU cheerleader ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parking Prawl and Parking Brake 190D
I think it can also be a problem if the car is hit while parked. Don't know if having the parking brake set will save it but if the parking brake works well, it may. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parking Prawl and Parking Brake 190D My question is: Is it really harmful to let the car come to rest against the transmission so to speak? IMHO, it's only a problem if it's hard to get _out_ of park. If it is, change your habits. For level ground parking, I don't bother. I let the car rest in neutral, brakes off, to take the strain off the driveline, then I put it in park. My wife lets it climb halfway up the planks we use as stops, then puts it in park so that it's stuck in that position. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Price!
ANGELO GIAIMO wrote: Also, if crude is traded in dollars, and we've devalued our currency, how much has cude gone up just due to that? Well, not too many years ago a euro was 80 cents. Now it's $1.57. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] More on expensive oil
I think the issue is not so much the price of oil but how fast it has increased. I am 56 years old and have lived my whole life in Canada so the numbers I am going to quote relate to my experience. Bear with me. I remember paying (and complaining about) $0.57 for an imperial gallon of regular gas in the late 60's or early 70's. Now, at $1.299 per liter, which is about what I paid last weekend on the highway, that amounts to somewhere around $5.91 per imperial gallon. I keep track of mileage on the vehicles that I drive and I note that I was paying $4.45 in October 2007 so a pretty big increase in a short time. The last time it was under $4.00 per gallon here was in February 2007. It was about $3.90 when I bought my Supercrew in the fall of 2006. I was paying as low as $2.60 back in 2000 when I was still driving a Suburban. I then moved down to a smaller Toyota 4Runner in an effort to save some fuel money, but later back up to a couple of different F150's because I needed a truck to haul building materials to the cottage. In any event, my point, I guess is that we likely will have to get used to higher prices, but if the rate of increase would slow a bit to let us get accustomed to it, then we wouldn't mind so much. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MSU wins again!
John Robbins wrote: http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/05/mississippi-sta.html Would you buy production versions of any of these vehicles? When fuel spikes north of $6 a gallon, these Challenge X science projects will look mighty tempting. Nope, I'll be less interested in huge $60,000 30mpg passenger trucks with $6 fuel than I was interested in $40,000 15mpg passenger trucks when fuel was $3 a gallon. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Price!
holy crap explain to me again how there is no inflation? On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ANGELO GIAIMO wrote: Also, if crude is traded in dollars, and we've devalued our currency, how much has cude gone up just due to that? Well, not too many years ago a euro was 80 cents. Now it's $1.57. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More on expensive oil
I filled up today. Was $1.27 per litre for regular. I take the premium stuff. Ed 300E 2008/5/22 R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think the issue is not so much the price of oil but how fast it has increased. I am 56 years old and have lived my whole life in Canada so the numbers I am going to quote relate to my experience. Bear with me. I remember paying (and complaining about) $0.57 for an imperial gallon of regular gas in the late 60's or early 70's. Now, at $1.299 per liter, which is about what I paid last weekend on the highway, that amounts to somewhere around $5.91 per imperial gallon. I keep track of mileage on the vehicles that I drive and I note that I was paying $4.45 in October 2007 so a pretty big increase in a short time. The last time it was under $4.00 per gallon here was in February 2007. It was about $3.90 when I bought my Supercrew in the fall of 2006. I was paying as low as $2.60 back in 2000 when I was still driving a Suburban. I then moved down to a smaller Toyota 4Runner in an effort to save some fuel money, but later back up to a couple of different F150's because I needed a truck to haul building materials to the cottage. In any event, my point, I guess is that we likely will have to get used to higher prices, but if the rate of increase would slow a bit to let us get accustomed to it, then we wouldn't mind so much. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MSU wins again!
Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Would you buy production versions of any of these vehicles? When fuel spikes north of $6 a gallon, these Challenge X science projects will look mighty tempting. Nope, I'll be less interested in huge $60,000 30mpg passenger trucks with $6 fuel than I was interested in $40,000 15mpg passenger trucks when fuel was $3 a gallon. More generally, for me the savings in fuel would have to offset financing and depreciation expenses, less current operating expenses of my present vehicle (which I own outright). And downsizing to a sardine can vehicle like a Smart just is not very practical for me. I have not run the numbers lately but fuel costs do not yet have me seriously thinking about replacing my W123 300D. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
your dates don't seem to work on this story maybe if you said johnson or nixon instead of carter, it could work out 2008/5/21 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Last I checked it was higher than here. Carter put price control in place in the 70s. Oil companies were only allowed to charge X amount per barrel of oil and the lack of profits caused research dollars to dry up. The oil crises in the 70 was a direct result of his actions because with no research dollars, no new sources for oil were discovered and demand out stepped supply. Regan lifted price control which allowed prices to float profits to go up. The result was more research dollars which led to exploration and the end to the late 70s oil crises. The oil companies need to make huge profits in order to fund some of the high tech exploration going on today. And it's only going to get more expensive in the future. I guess we haven't learned from the last round and are destined to repeat the mistakes made by Carter. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price! Since it's the traders who set the price, even that won't help unless we nationalize oil like Mexico and Venzuela did -- I wonder what the price of gas/Diesel is in Mexico now? On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take charge of what? And how do you propose that we control world oil prices? Maybe we could invade Saudi or Venezuela or maybe Canada or Mexico since we import a lot of oil from our neighbors? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] and you know a funny ending to this oil story?
the streets of shanghai are crowded with gas guzzling luxury iron while we go back to riding bicycles. now that is irony, no? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] and you know a funny ending to this oil story?
Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: the streets of shanghai are crowded with gas guzzling luxury iron while we go back to riding bicycles. now that is irony, no? LOL is that what we get for outsourcing everything to China? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] and you know a funny ending to this oil story?
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the streets of shanghai are crowded with gas guzzling luxury iron while we go back to riding bicycles. now that is irony, no? Rarely mentioned in the news stories of China's supposed economic miracle is the fact that those luxury cars and the gas to run them were bought with the blood of a huge underclass with a near-zero literacy rate and a life expectancy of 40. You can accomplish anything if you have a big enough supply of expendable slave labor (look at the Egyptian pyramids). But their economic situation is just as unsustainable as ours. Just wait and the house of cards will come crashing down for them too. That's the real irony---they are just as screwed as we are. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fuel price!
I haven't forgotten about the RRBV's (so called SUV's); I've been fussing about 'em for years! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] article that says that gas/oil may be going down
LET'S HOPE! G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
Gary Hurst wrote: your dates don't seem to work on this story maybe if you said johnson or nixon instead of carter, it could work out Who gave us the phrase windfall profits tax? I'm thinking Carter or Raygun. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] and you know a funny ending to this oil story?
I didn't realize that the Chinese government was Republican. (Sorry, couldn't resist.) On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rarely mentioned in the news stories of China's supposed economic miracle is the fact that those luxury cars and the gas to run them were bought with the blood of a huge underclass -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
The 1973 oil crisis began on October 17, 1973, when the members of Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries (OAPEC, consisting of the Arab members of OPEC plus Egypt and Syria) announced, as a result of the ongoing Yom Kippur War, that they would no longer ship oil to nations that had supported Israel in its conflict with Syria and Egypt (the United States, its allies in Western Europe, and Japan). This event had nothing to do with Carter. He instituted price control in 1979, at the start of the second oil crises. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price! your dates don't seem to work on this story maybe if you said johnson or nixon instead of carter, it could work out 2008/5/21 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Last I checked it was higher than here. Carter put price control in place in the 70s. Oil companies were only allowed to charge X amount per barrel of oil and the lack of profits caused research dollars to dry up. The oil crises in the 70 was a direct result of his actions because with no research dollars, no new sources for oil were discovered and demand out stepped supply. Regan lifted price control which allowed prices to float profits to go up. The result was more research dollars which led to exploration and the end to the late 70s oil crises. The oil companies need to make huge profits in order to fund some of the high tech exploration going on today. And it's only going to get more expensive in the future. I guess we haven't learned from the last round and are destined to repeat the mistakes made by Carter. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price! Since it's the traders who set the price, even that won't help unless we nationalize oil like Mexico and Venzuela did -- I wonder what the price of gas/Diesel is in Mexico now? On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take charge of what? And how do you propose that we control world oil prices? Maybe we could invade Saudi or Venezuela or maybe Canada or Mexico since we import a lot of oil from our neighbors? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Who gave us the phrase windfall profits tax? I'm thinking Carter or Raygun. Good history at http://tinyurl.com/yqlltw ...Ultimately, however, it fell to President Jimmy Carter to make the bargain stick. In April 1979 he introduced plans to lift price controls gradually over the subsequent 18-month period. In tandem, he offered a new tax on oil production. Unless we tax the oil companies, they will reap huge and undeserved windfall profits, Carter declared in a nationwide address. Americans had a right to recapture some of that windfall and put it to good use. ...Ronald Reagan had attacked the WPT while campaigning for the presidency in 1980. Once in the White House, he consistently supported repeal. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
Hi all. Try reading this article by Cal Thomas, who puts it pretty plainly. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=26479 We are today paying for the mistakes of yesteryears. Policies have been driven by small advocate groups. Note that Hurricane Katrina did NOT cause any disasters at the offshore oil rigs. History has shown that Mother Nature has caused many more calamities than mankind, except for wars. Also, keep in mind that at $135/barrel and 42 gallons in each barrel, that's $3.21/gallon before it hits the refinery. So why are we surprised w/$4/gallon? Also, I believe China is going to build an oil drilling rig off the coast of Cuba, but the environmentalists have gained enough oomph to stop drilling in the AWR and offshore. Just my opinion - We have created our own problem and relied on others for the solution.Can't cite a source, but I've read that the profit percentage to income of the oil companies are in line with other industries. Anyone have info on that? Take care and be safe, Chuck Phoenix AZ On May 22, 2008, at 6:59 AM, Tom Hargrave wrote: We knew that cheap oil was running out, we chose to ignore the message. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas? something is so ridiculous about this whole oil thing. for years, oil is cheap and plentiful and the suddenly we are told woops, there is no oil and fuel suddenly triples in price. how is it possible that the whole universe did not know about any oil shortage until one day out of the blue? we are being played for fools here and are more than living up to expectations On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's hope this article is wrong. http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080521145247.aspx Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] short block vs. long block - 1983 300TD
I would think the hole is smaller not larger as the bearing required some trimming for the manual swap? -Rolf Mitch Haley wrote: Rolf wrote: 85 is the same as the others, the SLS head is what makes it special. 85 crank is special too. larger centering hole for the torque converter. You can put a 84 TQ on a 85 crank, but it won't be self-centering. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] short block vs. long block - 1983 300TD
If my mechanic does the work what would be his extra labor to do the short block vs. engine replacement? How can he tell whether the head is still good? On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think the hole is smaller not larger as the bearing required some trimming for the manual swap? -Rolf Mitch Haley wrote: Rolf wrote: 85 is the same as the others, the SLS head is what makes it special. 85 crank is special too. larger centering hole for the torque converter. You can put a 84 TQ on a 85 crank, but it won't be self-centering. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] and you know a funny ending to this oil story?
Sort of sounds like the building of America doesn't it? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] and you know a funny ending to this oil story? On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the streets of shanghai are crowded with gas guzzling luxury iron while we go back to riding bicycles. now that is irony, no? Rarely mentioned in the news stories of China's supposed economic miracle is the fact that those luxury cars and the gas to run them were bought with the blood of a huge underclass with a near-zero literacy rate and a life expectancy of 40. You can accomplish anything if you have a big enough supply of expendable slave labor (look at the Egyptian pyramids). But their economic situation is just as unsustainable as ours. Just wait and the house of cards will come crashing down for them too. That's the real irony---they are just as screwed as we are. Alex _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] short block vs. long block - 1983 300TD
andrew strasfogel wrote: If my mechanic does the work what would be his extra labor to do the short block vs. engine replacement? Probably no more than his charge to remove the replacement engine from your old car. If you're paying labor it gets expensive in a hurry no matter which way you go. If you swap the engine/tranny together it isn't difficult, just tedious. You've got to unbolt the flex disk, motor mounts, shift linkage, wiring, vacuum hoses, exhaust, etc and then slowly lift it out. Do you have an enclosed garage? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
Go to: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90142714 and click on Listen Now Goes back to the Carter administration.. Very good explanation Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On May 22, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: your dates don't seem to work on this story maybe if you said johnson or nixon instead of carter, it could work out Who gave us the phrase windfall profits tax? I'm thinking Carter or Raygun. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More on expensive oil
I paid $1.329 in Sioux Narrows (at the lake) for a can of gas for the boat. I used to think that a carry one boat fuel tank cost about $20 with the oil. Now it is about $30. Good thing I don't have any big outboard motors. I don't know if I could feed a 125HP. (Yeah, I know that is not big anymore, but the new big ones are more likely to be 4 stroke and reasonably fuel efficient too) Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of E M Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] More on expensive oil I filled up today. Was $1.27 per litre for regular. I take the premium stuff. Ed 300E 2008/5/22 R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think the issue is not so much the price of oil but how fast it has increased. I am 56 years old and have lived my whole life in Canada so the numbers I am going to quote relate to my experience. Bear with me. I remember paying (and complaining about) $0.57 for an imperial gallon of regular gas in the late 60's or early 70's. Now, at $1.299 per liter, which is about what I paid last weekend on the highway, that amounts to somewhere around $5.91 per imperial gallon. I keep track of mileage on the vehicles that I drive and I note that I was paying $4.45 in October 2007 so a pretty big increase in a short time. The last time it was under $4.00 per gallon here was in February 2007. It was about $3.90 when I bought my Supercrew in the fall of 2006. I was paying as low as $2.60 back in 2000 when I was still driving a Suburban. I then moved down to a smaller Toyota 4Runner in an effort to save some fuel money, but later back up to a couple of different F150's because I needed a truck to haul building materials to the cottage. In any event, my point, I guess is that we likely will have to get used to higher prices, but if the rate of increase would slow a bit to let us get accustomed to it, then we wouldn't mind so much. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] short block vs. long block - 1983 300TD
If you are satisfied that the engine in your existing car is good, then just swap it and send the rusty body to the great beyond. Save any other parts that might be useful and be done with it. You may not be any better off with a rebuilt engine and it won't be any less expensive. Swapping the whole engine and transmission should be less expensive if you are going to pay to have it done. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] short block vs. long block - 1983 300TD As feared, my new rust free 1983 wagon does indeed have a bad engine. :((I was thinking of taking the drive train from my decent running 1983 rusty 300TD, but this seems somewhat criminal; I would rather sell it as a daily driver to someone willing to give it a new lease on life. Finding another used engine for this car is tricky because it must come from a 1982-84 turbo wagon (not from an '85), so I need to explore other options. Is there any source other than Adsit where I get a reputable rebuilt engine? What are the advantage or disadvantages of buying a cheaper short block? All suggestions greatly appreciated! Rusty only sells rebuilt transmissions. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Exhaust Gas Heat Exchangers was Hydrogen Power?
Ha ha! Neither is engineering, where in a situation like this there are so many things that all interact. I suspect that's why the Nomad never went into production -- it was fabulously efficient, but only when it actually worked Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
Well, I read on MSNBC today that an oil industry analyst expects Mexico, currently our second largest oil supplier, to be importing oil within five years, maybe sooner depending on when the Gulf fields stop producing. There is essentially no really recoverable oil left un-tapped in the US -- and Alaska is good for six or seven months at the current rate, no more. What has happened is that the easy oil is pretty much gone -- no more drilling a hole and having it geyser out at you. We are currently using somewhere on the order of twice as much as we were in 1973, and all of the increase plus the replacement for the fact that Texas no longer produces much oil comes from outside the US. The Gulf fields are tappering off, too. Add on to that the amazing increase in oil use in China (twenty cent subsidized gasoline and diesel), India (similar subsidies), and the Middle East (also nowhere near market price), and it's just no possible to pump enough. There is also quite a bit of speculation, which will go away when a shortage doesn't actually appear, but things ARE very tight supply wise -- another Katrina and we are in a world of hurt. Some nut with a big bomb or a boatload of explosives at the oil terminal in Saudi Arabia cuold reduce supply to well below demand in a few milliseconds, for more than a year. We use too much. Oh, and don't forget, the Europeans aren't paying anywhere near as much for oil as we are -- the dollar has dropped in value by 30% this year. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
The stunningly intelligent and well-spoken Maxine Waters from Collyfornya suggested today that the gummint nationalize (though she could not come up with that word in her extremely erudite questioning/commenting) the oil companies if they keep making money, or gas prices stay high, or oil prices keep going up. It makes me proud to be an American to have such intelligent and insightful congresscritters representing us and working on our problems. Yes it does. Yes yes. --R Robert Rentfro wrote: Those clowns don't need to be making $36 BILLION in the first quarter of the year while we are getting pounded at the pumps and in the grocery. That's just obscene. I really don't propose the government meddling but what the heck can we do? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
We are burning oil from oil shale, as fast as they can dig it up in Canda. Horrible environmental mess and it takes several barrels of oil to produce one barrel from the shale Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
Peter Frederick wrote: Horrible environmental mess and it takes several barrels of oil to produce one barrel from the shale Seems to me like they should stop getting oil from there then. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] and you know a funny ending to this oil story?
You know what else is funny? Or maybe ironic, I don't know. I was listening to the NPR reports from the Chinese earthquake area, they were talking to someone who was buying a tent. Tents are in real short supply in China so they say. Anyway, this person paid the equivalent of $130 for a tent in some fancy shop (apparently they don't have a big market for tents, so not many shops sell them). In Sunday's flyer in the paper, the local sporting goods shop had a whole load of tents, some huge ones, for way less than $100. All these were shipped around the planet from China, wholesale price probably half that or less. At the dock in China maybe 40% of that. And the Chinese can't find enough cheap tents to put their people in. Maybe I should buy a load and send them back? --R Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the streets of shanghai are crowded with gas guzzling luxury iron while we go back to riding bicycles. now that is irony, no? Rarely mentioned in the news stories of China's supposed economic miracle is the fact that those luxury cars and the gas to run them were bought with the blood of a huge underclass with a near-zero literacy rate and a life expectancy of 40. You can accomplish anything if you have a big enough supply of expendable slave labor (look at the Egyptian pyramids). But their economic situation is just as unsustainable as ours. Just wait and the house of cards will come crashing down for them too. That's the real irony---they are just as screwed as we are. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
Peter Frederick wrote: What has happened is that the easy oil is pretty much gone -- no more drilling a hole and having it geyser out at you. This is also why Dubai has gone crazy. They know their oil revenue is about up so they are using the money they made to start a tourism based economy while they still can... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody in Pensacola?
Here is a MUST VISIT place (even if you order a Pepsi). http://www.mcguiresirishpub.com/ On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:18 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: The beach is very nice there, so if possible spend the money and get a room as close as possible to the water. If you are on a budget, there used to be (in 1981) lots of cheaper places close to the Naval Air Station. Work is paying for it, and they don't have a problem with a nicer hotel so long as it isn't obscene. A business class hotel wouldn't be a problem at all. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I pay $450 to fill up my truck with diesel today
So I finally got my 100 gallon tank installed in the back of my truck. Diesel just went up to like 4.49 everywhere around here. The walmart in town is still at 4.29. So, I think its a good time to fill the tank before they go up. I get there, and there are 2 large school buses filling up, 3 large diesel trucks like mine, and a couple of diesel cars. Took about an hour to get out of there. 450+ later, and Im set. Can drive about 2k miles on a tank. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I pay $450 to fill up my truck with diesel today
It is $4.63 in Jefferson IA. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I finally got my 100 gallon tank installed in the back of my truck. Diesel just went up to like 4.49 everywhere around here. The walmart in town is still at 4.29. So, I think its a good time to fill the tank before they go up. I get there, and there are 2 large school buses filling up, 3 large diesel trucks like mine, and a couple of diesel cars. Took about an hour to get out of there. 450+ later, and Im set. Can drive about 2k miles on a tank. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody in Pensacola?
There was a place on Orange beach, which is technically Alabama that was reasonable, and well situated near a beach park, and block or so away from a nice seafood restaurant. It was operated by Brett Robinson Real estate. Call them and ask about their hotel on the beach. It was really a 1 or 2 BR condo, complete with kitchen. We really liked it! Orange Beach Sales Office 1-800-221-6180 http://www.brettrobinson.comhttp://www.brettrobinson.com There was no sales pitch for timeshares involved. I don't think they even sell timeshares. When we stayed there it was in the $75-80 a night range. The restaurant was really good, about a block inland at the stoplight. This is a not exactly in Pensecola, but it is nice. DO go to the Naval Air Museum in Pensecola. I could probably spend the rest of my life there and be happy. It is $$free!! Guides are retired navy or Marine pilots. The restaurant inside has been transported in entirety form the Philippines. It was an O club. If you had relatives on carriers, the library is great for finding facts. I chased my Uncle's history partway, and i think he was the Red Morgan who was a hero of sorts after the USS Franklin was hit by kamikazes. I have not tied Red to Henry from Dayton , TN At 10:18 AM 5/22/2008, you wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: The beach is very nice there, so if possible spend the money and get a room as close as possible to the water. If you are on a budget, there used to be (in 1981) lots of cheaper places close to the Naval Air Station. Work is paying for it, and they don't have a problem with a nicer hotel so long as it isn't obscene. A business class hotel wouldn't be a problem at all. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
You've got it right. And as a result of price controls and later taxes on production, oil production declined in this country and increased elsewhere, leding to our dependence on foreign oil. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 5/22/08 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price! Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Who gave us the phrase windfall profits tax? I'm thinking Carter or Raygun. Good history at http://tinyurl.com/yqlltw ...Ultimately, however, it fell to President Jimmy Carter to make the bargain stick. In April 1979 he introduced plans to lift price controls gradually over the subsequent 18-month period. In tandem, he offered a new tax on oil production. Unless we tax the oil companies, they will reap huge and undeserved windfall profits, Carter declared in a nationwide address. Americans had a right to recapture some of that windfall and put it to good use. ...Ronald Reagan had attacked the WPT while campaigning for the presidency in 1980. Once in the White House, he consistently supported repeal. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
yea, crude ended at 133 today. Holy crap. There is another 20 cents right there. Tom Hargrave wrote: And its going up. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 5/21/08 2:33 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fuel price! 'Just saw #2 at $4.60/gal Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel prices!
that and the fact that the middle east is just about out of oil. Tom Hargrave wrote: There are only a few companies refining oil in the states and supply is so close to demand that it really does not matter who you are buying from. It all goes into the same pipelines comes out the other end. In other words, if you boycott Exxon / Mobil shop a competitor station then it's very likely that you are buying the very same product from the very same refinery. And while you are at it, you need to remove the Mobil 1 from your crank case put something else in for the duration. It's from the same evil company, right? If we really want to make a difference then we all need to minimize driving, period. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry Watkins Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel prices! I passed this on to about 12 folks today. This one sounds like it may work. DO NOT buy Exxon/Mobil gas Buy as much gas as you need or can afford, BUT, buy it from anyone except Exxon/Mobil. Exxon/Mobil will see a drop in sales proportional to the number of drivers following this simple rule. If enough people act, it won't be long until Exxon/Mobil has to make decisions, such as close stores, or cut prices. Which would you do? Please don't go back if their price drops only a few pennies. Wait until their drop in prices forces a price drop at other oil company stores. We have nothing against Exxon/Mobil, they are only running their business as they should. We as consumers on the other hand will only be doing as we should, making capitalism work. If you agree, pass it on, then start watching your local Exxon/Mobil store to see if it works. If you don't agree, pick a price per gallon that will make you decide to join us, then, welcome aboard. On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Bill Ringgold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know. I bitch about it myself and much preferred the .23 per gal. of my youth. At times I do get off on a tangent. That, and I really would like one like yours to keep my 126 company. BillR -Original Message- From: Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 5/21/08 5:03 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fuel prices! Bill, I bet neither of MB's is half as thirsty as most cars., but the cost of what they do drink is outrageous Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody in Pensacola?
When you do, find the USCG part with the HU-16E and the HH-3F. My butt has been in both of these very same airframes they have there (up in the air, not as part of the static display). I sat in the H3 when we visited the museum and started to cry -- Debbie didn't understand but I explained it to her afterwards. (Friends who died in the H3.) On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DO go to the Naval Air Museum in Pensecola. I could probably spend the rest of my life there and be happy. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
If you want oil to stand a chance of going down, the tree hugging environmentalist wackos need to back off and let us drill our own oil in ANWR, off the cost of florida and california, and other places. Its just insane we have oil we cant get. No, that will not solve the long term problem but it will at least help now until we can get alternatives in place. Of course Hillary and Obobo want to put a big tax on the oil companies because they made a big profit. Well hell, who do you think will pay that tax? The oil companies? BZZZT, WRONG. You and I will. Companies do not pay taxes, consumers do. All a business does is pass it along to the consumer. Tom Hargrave wrote: Last I checked it was higher than here. Carter put price control in place in the 70s. Oil companies were only allowed to charge X amount per barrel of oil and the lack of profits caused research dollars to dry up. The oil crises in the 70 was a direct result of his actions because with no research dollars, no new sources for oil were discovered and demand out stepped supply. Regan lifted price control which allowed prices to float profits to go up. The result was more research dollars which led to exploration and the end to the late 70s oil crises. The oil companies need to make huge profits in order to fund some of the high tech exploration going on today. And it's only going to get more expensive in the future. I guess we haven’t learned from the last round and are destined to repeat the mistakes made by Carter. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price! Since it's the traders who set the price, even that won't help unless we nationalize oil like Mexico and Venzuela did -- I wonder what the price of gas/Diesel is in Mexico now? On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take charge of what? And how do you propose that we control world oil prices? Maybe we could invade Saudi or Venezuela or maybe Canada or Mexico since we import a lot of oil from our neighbors? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
Oil companies are making about 4% profit. That aint much folks. There is a big different between a profit and a profit margin. Many people dont seem to understand the difference. Tom Hargrave wrote: 36 Billion out of how much total cash flow? Compare them to other profitable businesses in the country and they aren't so far off base. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:50 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price! Those clowns don't need to be making $36 BILLION in the first quarter of the year while we are getting pounded at the pumps and in the grocery. That's just obscene. I really don't propose the government meddling but what the heck can we do? Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:15 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price! Take charge of what? And how do you propose that we control world oil prices? Maybe we could invade Saudi or Venezuela or maybe Canada or Mexico since we import a lot of oil from our neighbors? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:05 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price! I guess these robbers were up on the Hill today. http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-05-21-voa69.cfm How do these guys sleep at night? Our government does enough other crazy stuff...they needs to step in and take charge here. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price! it's horrible and the price shows up in everything you buy. are we still saying there is no inflation? On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Just saw #2 at $4.60/gal Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:
Re: [MBZ] I pay $450 to fill up my truck with diesel today
On Thu, 22 May 2008 19:53:33 -0500 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is $4.63 in Jefferson IA. It's $4.649 in Los Alamos, NM. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
AMEN!! Loren Faeth wrote: The problem is not the oil companies, although I agree with Mitch about compensation. As Pogo said, the enemy is us. When are we going to wake up (as Americans) and throw out the current pols and elect some that will allow us to drill our own oil, pump our own oil and refine our own oil? We have supplies here, but we are so concerned about snail darters, whatever they are, and the most desolate, godforsaken patch of tundra that we won't use our own oil. I say buy local, drill local and let the mideasterners kill off each other over their oil. I still say that most of the mideast should have been glass on the morning of September 13, 2001. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
That brings up another point. All these people bitching about oil companies making all this money. Who do you think owns these oil companies? Stockholders. WHo do you think these stockholders are? Me, you, anybody who has a retirement account, investment account, pension plan etc. Harry Watkins wrote: I'm all for oil companies making profit, in fact, I hold stock in XOM, CVX and HAL. However, I see this run up in prices coming more from speculating traders more than anything else. If consumers find a method to start a price war and I'm an investor, I think I would not be speculating upwards. I've read recently about oil finds in the North or South Dakota, one in Brazil that looks like another Saudi Arabia and a huge one in the Atlantic that they are going really deep with high tech equipment. Exxon made record profits last year when crude was half what it is now, and these deep drillers didn't start building that high tech setup in the recent days of rapid growing crude prices. They had enough incentive to start when crude was $60 and $70. Harry On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is not the oil companies, although I agree with Mitch about compensation. As Pogo said, the enemy is us. When are we going to wake up (as Americans) and throw out the current pols and elect some that will allow us to drill our own oil, pump our own oil and refine our own oil? We have supplies here, but we are so concerned about snail darters, whatever they are, and the most desolate, godforsaken patch of tundra that we won't use our own oil. I say buy local, drill local and let the mideasterners kill off each other over their oil. I still say that most of the mideast should have been glass on the morning of September 13, 2001. At 10:17 PM 5/21/2008, you wrote: Robert Rentfro wrote: I guess these robbers were up on the Hill today. http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-05-21-voa69.cfm The record profits come from record prices for the crude. That comes from the commodity markets. Do you act like farmers are criminals if the market is willing to pay them $13/bu for their soybeans? Or are you complaining that the CEOs of these companies are raking in billions for compensation because they happened to be sitting at the helm when oil prices went crazy? (I blame the directors for this, compensation should be tied to performance metrics that are within the executive's responsibility) The refiners who don't own oil wells are not showing profits these days. Crack spreads have been running between -3 and +7 dollars a barrel for most of 2008. The average crack spread in April was negative. (the crack spread is the difference between the cost of a barrel of crude and the selling price of the end products made from that barrel) When crude is over $3 a gallon ($134 for 42 gallons tonight), it takes a lot of nerve to bitch about $3.99 gasoline at the pump after taxes. If you think it's too expensive, then don't buy it. Problem solved. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
by then hopefully we have moved on and developed alternatives and dont need to burn oil, or as much oil anymore. Tom Hargrave wrote: Reminds me of a friend who has about 20 acres of woods outside of Morgan City, AL. He heats with wood would only burn dead wood off his lot. Any additional firewood was bought from the local firewood peddlers who sell deliver by the pickup truck load. I asked why he did not cut burn his own firewood and the response was mine will only be worth more, later. Recently he sold some mature oak trees off his land for lots of , lots more I suspect than they would have been worth as firewood 20 years ago. I suspect that it would not be such a good idea to burn off our own oil reserves. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price! The problem is not the oil companies, although I agree with Mitch about compensation. As Pogo said, the enemy is us. When are we going to wake up (as Americans) and throw out the current pols and elect some that will allow us to drill our own oil, pump our own oil and refine our own oil? We have supplies here, but we are so concerned about snail darters, whatever they are, and the most desolate, godforsaken patch of tundra that we won't use our own oil. I say buy local, drill local and let the mideasterners kill off each other over their oil. I still say that most of the mideast should have been glass on the morning of September 13, 2001. At 10:17 PM 5/21/2008, you wrote: Robert Rentfro wrote: I guess these robbers were up on the Hill today. http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-05-21-voa69.cfm The record profits come from record prices for the crude. That comes from the commodity markets. Do you act like farmers are criminals if the market is willing to pay them $13/bu for their soybeans? Or are you complaining that the CEOs of these companies are raking in billions for compensation because they happened to be sitting at the helm when oil prices went crazy? (I blame the directors for this, compensation should be tied to performance metrics that are within the executive's responsibility) The refiners who don't own oil wells are not showing profits these days. Crack spreads have been running between -3 and +7 dollars a barrel for most of 2008. The average crack spread in April was negative. (the crack spread is the difference between the cost of a barrel of crude and the selling price of the end products made from that barrel) When crude is over $3 a gallon ($134 for 42 gallons tonight), it takes a lot of nerve to bitch about $3.99 gasoline at the pump after taxes. If you think it's too expensive, then don't buy it. Problem solved. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] just sold my 85 190d manny
you sold it way too cheap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He gets it tomorrow but I already miss it. I feel like I'm losing a friend. its silver/blu w/blu int 177k everything works but AC and cond is good. It has all receipts since new and window sticker. Is $3300 fair? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] short block vs. long block - 1983 300TD
your best bet would be to put the engine in from the rusty wagon. Its value is in the engine. andrew strasfogel wrote: As feared, my new rust free 1983 wagon does indeed have a bad engine. :((I was thinking of taking the drive train from my decent running 1983 rusty 300TD, but this seems somewhat criminal; I would rather sell it as a daily driver to someone willing to give it a new lease on life. Finding another used engine for this car is tricky because it must come from a 1982-84 turbo wagon (not from an '85), so I need to explore other options. Is there any source other than Adsit where I get a reputable rebuilt engine? What are the advantage or disadvantages of buying a cheaper short block? All suggestions greatly appreciated! Rusty only sells rebuilt transmissions. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
well we sure as heck are not in control of that oil Mitch Haley wrote: Tom Hargrave wrote: I suspect that it would not be such a good idea to burn off our own oil reserves. Funny, I used to use a firewood analogy to illustrate dependence on foreign oil. If you can burn your trees or buy your neighbor's trees, do you become more or less dependent on his trees after you cut yours down and burn them? I used to say we've got no business drilling the last major pocket of oil in Alaska as long as the Saudis will sell us all we want for less than $100 a bbl. Now that the federal reserve has converted our currency into toilet paper (Hey, want to blame somebody for high prices? There's your culprit.) I'm thinking that as long as we can get what we NEED for under $200 a barrel, we should keep what we have underground. You wanna see oil prices plummet? You've got two choices. Either the government stops printing money and loaning it to banks for less than the inflation rate, or the US military reduces its petroleum consumption to below the output of Venezuela. The war for oil is costing us more than just lives and money, it's also consuming the oil we're fighting to gain control of. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] O'Steens in St. Augustine
Someone on the list asked to be remembered to a staff person at O'Steens, but I have slept since then. My Darling wife and I are planning on having dinner there tomorrow night, so whoever it was I'll be happy to pass along greetings if you will repeat them. BillR Jacksonville FL, but currently enjoying a couple of days in St. Augustine. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody in Pensacola?
http://www.uscg.mil/d1/Units/gruwh/stachatham/CGHelo1432.htm I was navigator in the first plane on-scene and found the wreckage on radar, and vectored our plane in. Snowing too heavy to see anything w/out radar. I walked the pilot in to under one mile (using radar) before we could see the helo -- upside down in the sea. Just a quick look at 140 mph. I still have nightmares. Frequently. D. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you do, find the USCG part with the HU-16E and the HH-3F. My butt has been in both of these very same airframes they have there (up in the air, not as part of the static display). I sat in the H3 when we visited the museum and started to cry -- Debbie didn't understand but I explained it to her afterwards. (Friends who died in the H3.) On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DO go to the Naval Air Museum in Pensecola. I could probably spend the rest of my life there and be happy. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I pay $450 to fill up my truck with diesel today
Uh, Kaleb. You could have bought a whole, running MB for that! At 08:47 PM 5/22/2008, you wrote: 450+ later, and Im set. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
Its been at that point for a while now. BUT, you got the liberal
envirnomentalists who dont want us to produce that
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If my old memory serves, during the energy crisis of the early 70's, we were
told that if the price of oil went up by some magic figure {Maybe 25%} the it
would become viable to use our VAST supplies of oil shale.
More trickery and deception?
Pete, my primary concern is heating oil
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Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
its probably not Donald Snook wrote: Let's hope this article is wrong. http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080521145247.aspx Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
If the price goes back down, we'll be back into blind complacency and nothing new will be developed. We won't change without prolonged pain - it's human nature. No, that will not solve the long term problem but it will at least help now until we can get alternatives in place. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] short block vs. long block - 1983 300TD
No, 85 is different than 81-84. Rolf wrote: I will buy the old head from you. If you want a good engine and don't care about $ as much go with Metric Motors. 85 is the same as the others, the SLS head is what makes it special. With a shortblock you will be reusing the old head. -Rolf andrew strasfogel wrote: As feared, my new rust free 1983 wagon does indeed have a bad engine. :((I was thinking of taking the drive train from my decent running 1983 rusty 300TD, but this seems somewhat criminal; I would rather sell it as a daily driver to someone willing to give it a new lease on life. Finding another used engine for this car is tricky because it must come from a 1982-84 turbo wagon (not from an '85), so I need to explore other options. Is there any source other than Adsit where I get a reputable rebuilt engine? What are the advantage or disadvantages of buying a cheaper short block? All suggestions greatly appreciated! Rusty only sells rebuilt transmissions. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody in Pensacola?
Also, the Blue Angels practice at the Air Station on Tuesday and Wednesday at 8:30 am. I was there about 6 weeks ago and went both days. Convince the boss to have the meeting at the museum. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody in Pensacola? http://www.uscg.mil/d1/Units/gruwh/stachatham/CGHelo1432.htm I was navigator in the first plane on-scene and found the wreckage on radar, and vectored our plane in. Snowing too heavy to see anything w/out radar. I walked the pilot in to under one mile (using radar) before we could see the helo -- upside down in the sea. Just a quick look at 140 mph. I still have nightmares. Frequently. D. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you do, find the USCG part with the HU-16E and the HH-3F. My butt has been in both of these very same airframes they have there (up in the air, not as part of the static display). I sat in the H3 when we visited the museum and started to cry -- Debbie didn't understand but I explained it to her afterwards. (Friends who died in the H3.) On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DO go to the Naval Air Museum in Pensecola. I could probably spend the rest of my life there and be happy. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Benz/VW heresy
Im fixing to start driving my 190D soon. Not my favorite but the way things are I need it Wonko the Sane wrote: Gene came to Jefferson on Sunday and pulled the starter (core). He found a rebuilt one on eBay. Think he is going to install the new starter as soon as he can and then take the 190D back to Des Moines. It is definitely his best MPG option, since his other vehicles are two pickups and a large Chrysler product. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:49 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Forgive me Lord, but I think I've decided to park my 240D in favor of driving my turbo-diesel VW. This is somewhat the result of my seeing diesel prices in my small town hit $4.55 per gallon. What happened to the 190D? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody in Pensacola?
Perhaps I was not paying attention, but what sort of work are you in? John Robbins wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: The beach is very nice there, so if possible spend the money and get a room as close as possible to the water. If you are on a budget, there used to be (in 1981) lots of cheaper places close to the Naval Air Station. Work is paying for it, and they don't have a problem with a nicer hotel so long as it isn't obscene. A business class hotel wouldn't be a problem at all. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] and you know a funny ending to this oil story?
AS I have said before, China is going from bicycles to cars, we are going from cars to bicycles. And yes,t hey are buying alot of those big luxery cars and suvs Gary Hurst wrote: the streets of shanghai are crowded with gas guzzling luxury iron while we go back to riding bicycles. now that is irony, no? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody in Pensacola?
computer engineering On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I was not paying attention, but what sort of work are you in? John Robbins wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: The beach is very nice there, so if possible spend the money and get a room as close as possible to the water. If you are on a budget, there used to be (in 1981) lots of cheaper places close to the Naval Air Station. Work is paying for it, and they don't have a problem with a nicer hotel so long as it isn't obscene. A business class hotel wouldn't be a problem at all. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas?
Yep, you have these foreign countries that are going to drill in the gulf. We cant drill 40 or whatever miles of the coast, but these people are drilling, what 45-50 miles off the coast, getting our oil. When are these people going to wake up? Chuck Landenberger wrote: Hi all. Try reading this article by Cal Thomas, who puts it pretty plainly. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=26479 We are today paying for the mistakes of yesteryears. Policies have been driven by small advocate groups. Note that Hurricane Katrina did NOT cause any disasters at the offshore oil rigs. History has shown that Mother Nature has caused many more calamities than mankind, except for wars. Also, keep in mind that at $135/barrel and 42 gallons in each barrel, that's $3.21/gallon before it hits the refinery. So why are we surprised w/$4/gallon? Also, I believe China is going to build an oil drilling rig off the coast of Cuba, but the environmentalists have gained enough oomph to stop drilling in the AWR and offshore. Just my opinion - We have created our own problem and relied on others for the solution.Can't cite a source, but I've read that the profit percentage to income of the oil companies are in line with other industries. Anyone have info on that? Take care and be safe, Chuck Phoenix AZ On May 22, 2008, at 6:59 AM, Tom Hargrave wrote: We knew that cheap oil was running out, we chose to ignore the message. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] $12/gallon gas? something is so ridiculous about this whole oil thing. for years, oil is cheap and plentiful and the suddenly we are told woops, there is no oil and fuel suddenly triples in price. how is it possible that the whole universe did not know about any oil shortage until one day out of the blue? we are being played for fools here and are more than living up to expectations On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's hope this article is wrong. http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080521145247.aspx Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
