Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil
SG because the next one doesn't have enough ZDDP? The owners manual has a chart like they all do. Theres no 5w40 listed but 10w40 is listed for all the temp ranges I'm likely to run at... Its a Japanese bike remeber and 10w40 has been the standard in those for years... -Curt --- On Sat, 9/13/08, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 12:01 AM what does the owners manual call for? any reason you wouldn't use that? at the very least, i make sure to use an oil of the grade that's specified, and only use SG (not higher!) rated oil in my moto. yes, it means i have different oil in the house for the J**p, the 300D and the moto, but that's a lot less inconvenient than dealing with any oil-related engine failures. cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Its too quiet today, this should stir things up... I'm in process changing the oil in my Kawasaki 454LTD. I'm gonna fill it with Mobil 1 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck. LT Don's been using 15w50 in his. I figure the TDT is at least as good as the 10w40 I've been using and possibly better. Its not an energy conserving labeled oil so I *shouldn't* (scary word) have trouble with the bike's wet clutch. If this works out my Honda will get the same treatment at the next change and I'll only stock 2 oils (5w40 for the cars and motorcycles, 10w30 for the pickup and small equipment, tractor, snowblower, etc) instead of 3. Need to find the regional distributor for Mobil 1 and see about a volume discount. I buy 30 or so quarts a year... The guy at Autozone looks at me like I'm crazy when I ask for a discount. One of these times I need to get ugly about it. look bub, I've bought 30 quarts of this stuff in the last 12 months... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL a/c not working
from about 35-45 psi and the high pressure ran from about 190-225 psi. ...I expect that is somewhat normal. Is that correct? Sounds plausible. now I have to find an intermittent problem I'd almost rather look for a needle in a hay stack! If it was easy, everybody would be doing it! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] B
When will I be able to buy a Wavering Badger XDXDXXX8 Shitting Hell? I would really like to have one of those! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
I am betting on the gummed up or kickdown cable unplugged. The problem is in the valve body either way, if you can not get it to work with a bit of driving, drop pan and swap valve body. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? maybe something is gummed up from sitting. Might have to give this a try. Curt Raymond wrote: Very similar to my Dodge last Christmas... I put half a bottle the Lucas stuff in it and drove it around until the trans got warm, then let it sit overnight. The next day if I slipped into neutral and back to drive it'd shift up. After some driving it'd shift up reliably without messing with it. After a fluid and filter change it was fine. I think it was just a sticky valve. We've put another maybe 10,000 miles on since then and its just fine. Slips a bit but the things got 216,000 miles... -Curt Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:34:19 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OK, a couple of weeks ago you guys remember I finished the install of the trans in the 190D, and it would not shift past 2nd. That was when the baby was born and didnt mess with it anymore. Well today I messed with it a little bit. This is a 722.409 out of a 2.6. I have 2 of these trans. The one I installed on the car has this fluid line that runs from the back cover on the drivers side (govenor?) to solenoid then to a port on the front drivers side of trans. The only thing I can figure out about this setup is the epc says something about increased shift points. Im not sure what exactly it does. I applied power to the thing and it clicked sure enough. Not sure if having power opens or closes it allowing fluid thru. Does opening it increase pressure or relieve pressure? Anyway, I tried it with power applied, still no shift out of 2nd. I tried it with no power, same thing. Next I though about stuck kickdown. I unhooked wire to it, applied power, it clicks. I tried driving it with the wire left off, still wont upshift. Is it possible that the kickdown is stuck internally somehow even though it clicks? This tranny looks good, was supposed to be good, had all the ports plugged when I got it. It drops into reverse with no delay, same with drive. Im stumped. What would cause it to not upshift? Is it FUBAR? I SURE dont want to have to pull it again and try the other tranny I have. Could it be something to do with it being a tranny for a 2.6 behind the diesel? I wouldnt think so. Anybody got ANY ideas or anything to try? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil
You wrote 10W40 There was a warning a few years ago about the additives needed to make the oil perform as stated at 10 and 40 - they said the gap was too wide and the additives needed too great - is that not a problem with MCs? Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net Carb Jet Settings: http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil SG because the next one doesn't have enough ZDDP? The owners manual has a chart like they all do. Theres no 5w40 listed but 10w40 is listed for all the temp ranges I'm likely to run at... Its a Japanese bike remeber and 10w40 has been the standard in those for years... -Curt --- On Sat, 9/13/08, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 12:01 AM what does the owners manual call for? any reason you wouldn't use that? at the very least, i make sure to use an oil of the grade that's specified, and only use SG (not higher!) rated oil in my moto. yes, it means i have different oil in the house for the J**p, the 300D and the moto, but that's a lot less inconvenient than dealing with any oil-related engine failures. cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Its too quiet today, this should stir things up... I'm in process changing the oil in my Kawasaki 454LTD. I'm gonna fill it with Mobil 1 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck. LT Don's been using 15w50 in his. I figure the TDT is at least as good as the 10w40 I've been using and possibly better. Its not an energy conserving labeled oil so I *shouldn't* (scary word) have trouble with the bike's wet clutch. If this works out my Honda will get the same treatment at the next change and I'll only stock 2 oils (5w40 for the cars and motorcycles, 10w30 for the pickup and small equipment, tractor, snowblower, etc) instead of 3. Need to find the regional distributor for Mobil 1 and see about a volume discount. I buy 30 or so quarts a year... The guy at Autozone looks at me like I'm crazy when I ask for a discount. One of these times I need to get ugly about it. look bub, I've bought 30 quarts of this stuff in the last 12 months... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil
The issue with Dino oil based 10W 40 is that the additive package causes coking in the rings and the issue will be worse in an air cooled engine like one in an air cooled MC. But Mobil 1 does not have these issues because the base stock does not need as much additives to work the same. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 4:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil You wrote 10W40 There was a warning a few years ago about the additives needed to make the oil perform as stated at 10 and 40 - they said the gap was too wide and the additives needed too great - is that not a problem with MCs? Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net Carb Jet Settings: http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil SG because the next one doesn't have enough ZDDP? The owners manual has a chart like they all do. Theres no 5w40 listed but 10w40 is listed for all the temp ranges I'm likely to run at... Its a Japanese bike remeber and 10w40 has been the standard in those for years... -Curt --- On Sat, 9/13/08, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 12:01 AM what does the owners manual call for? any reason you wouldn't use that? at the very least, i make sure to use an oil of the grade that's specified, and only use SG (not higher!) rated oil in my moto. yes, it means i have different oil in the house for the J**p, the 300D and the moto, but that's a lot less inconvenient than dealing with any oil-related engine failures. cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Its too quiet today, this should stir things up... I'm in process changing the oil in my Kawasaki 454LTD. I'm gonna fill it with Mobil 1 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck. LT Don's been using 15w50 in his. I figure the TDT is at least as good as the 10w40 I've been using and possibly better. Its not an energy conserving labeled oil so I *shouldn't* (scary word) have trouble with the bike's wet clutch. If this works out my Honda will get the same treatment at the next change and I'll only stock 2 oils (5w40 for the cars and motorcycles, 10w30 for the pickup and small equipment, tractor, snowblower, etc) instead of 3. Need to find the regional distributor for Mobil 1 and see about a volume discount. I buy 30 or so quarts a year... The guy at Autozone looks at me like I'm crazy when I ask for a discount. One of these times I need to get ugly about it. look bub, I've bought 30 quarts of this stuff in the last 12 months... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1669 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 2:18 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1669 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 2:18 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? How hard is it to pull the valve body? Im guessing a hell of a lot easier than pulling the whole tranny. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. Trampas wrote: I am betting on the gummed up or kickdown cable unplugged. The problem is in the valve body either way, if you can not get it to work with a bit of driving, drop pan and swap valve body. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? maybe something is gummed up from sitting. Might have to give this a try. Curt Raymond wrote: Very similar to my Dodge last Christmas... I put half a bottle the Lucas stuff in it and drove it around until the trans got warm, then let it sit overnight. The next day if I slipped into neutral and back to drive it'd shift up. After some driving it'd shift up reliably without messing with it. After a fluid and filter change it was fine. I think it was just a sticky valve. We've put another maybe 10,000 miles on since then and its just fine. Slips a bit but the things got 216,000 miles... -Curt Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:34:19 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OK, a couple of weeks ago you guys remember I finished the install of the trans in the 190D, and it would not shift past 2nd. That was when the baby was born and didnt mess with it anymore. Well today I messed with it a little bit. This is a 722.409 out of a 2.6. I have 2 of these trans. The one I installed on the car has this fluid line that runs from the back cover on the drivers side (govenor?) to solenoid then to a port on the front drivers side of trans. The only thing I can figure out about this setup is the epc says something about increased shift points. Im not sure what exactly it does. I applied power to the thing and it clicked sure enough. Not sure if having power opens or closes it allowing fluid thru. Does opening it increase pressure or relieve pressure? Anyway, I tried it with power applied, still no shift out of 2nd. I tried it with no power, same thing. Next I though about stuck kickdown. I unhooked wire to it, applied power, it clicks. I tried driving it with the wire left off, still wont upshift. Is it possible that the kickdown is stuck internally somehow even though it clicks? This tranny looks good, was supposed to be good, had all the ports plugged when I got it. It drops into reverse with no delay, same with drive. Im stumped. What would cause it to not upshift? Is it FUBAR? I SURE dont want to have to pull it again and try the other tranny I have. Could it be something to do with it being a tranny for a 2.6 behind the diesel? I wouldnt think so. Anybody got ANY ideas or anything to try? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? Probably. How hard is it to pull the valve body? About 10 minutes more than changing the oil. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. No, the cable on the side that adjusts shift points. Mine had one, I managed to break it off when removing the tranny. The electrical solenoid is different. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 140 turbo
Well, you all recall the 140 all the sudden blowing huge amounts of smoke. Suspected turbo. Well, I started tearing into it today. Yep, its the turbo. There is alot of oil in the turbo area. Even see a a little bit seeping thru the joints of the back housing, and turbo to exhaust manifold. Also, when I pulled the air cleaner to turbo pipe, the nut and front of the shaft was laying there. I guess it sheared off. Looking at my 603 engine I have in the garage, its a 603.970, the 140 uses a .971. The turbo is different. Could probably make it work, but would prefer to not have to rig anything. Will either see about getting this one rebuilt, or ordering one from Rusty. Hopefully they are not too expensive. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
The cable is fine as near as I can tell, though it is different at the top end than the one out of the diesel. The diesel one is round on the end, fits in a round hole and is held in with a c clip. The one on the 2.6 and other gas cars is simply a square plastic piece that slides and locks in a square hole on the bracket. I have it to where its not exactly fitting tight and locked in like it should but does stay put and fits on the ball like it should with no slack. Also, pulling the cable out and releasing it, it goes back like its hooked up at the tranny end like it should. Jim Cathey wrote: Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? Probably. How hard is it to pull the valve body? About 10 minutes more than changing the oil. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. No, the cable on the side that adjusts shift points. Mine had one, I managed to break it off when removing the tranny. The electrical solenoid is different. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] just what you need to spice up your 240D
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-OM616-2-4L-Diesel-Engine-Turbocharged_W0QQitemZ250294484465QQihZ015QQcategoryZ33615QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] just what you need to spice up your 240D
Wonko? Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 8:03 PM Subject: [MBZ] just what you need to spice up your 240D http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-OM616-2-4L-Diesel-Engine-Turbocharge d_W0QQitemZ250294484465QQihZ015QQcategoryZ33615QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] just what you need to spice up your 240D
exactly Wilton Strickland wrote: Wonko? Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 8:03 PM Subject: [MBZ] just what you need to spice up your 240D http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-OM616-2-4L-Diesel-Engine-Turbocharge d_W0QQitemZ250294484465QQihZ015QQcategoryZ33615QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? How hard is it to pull the valve body? Im guessing a hell of a lot easier than pulling the whole tranny. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. Pulling the body is easy- Keep track of the bolts; several lengths are involved and there are a lot of them. The body will drop from the trans as a unit but actually has 4 layers. Do NOT disassemble the body unless you have gaskets and diagrams to know what goes back where when a few springs jump out (do this in a contained space where springs cannot get lost!). . When dropping the body Also keep an eye out for a few little bits. If like the 722.418 on my 300d there is a little plastic valve and other bits that MUST be set just so and may come out from where they belong when you drop the valve body. Do you have any pics to show the lines you mention? Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] NE chowdah fest report
The annual occasional NE MB chowdah fest was a star event today. We enjoyed clearing and finally sunny weather (but our thoughts are with those of you in Texas who are suffering from IKE). We had 9 humans and 6 MB's, great food, hood popping, parts swapping, and enjoyable story telling. Pictures and details to follow. Half of the group headed to the nearby Harbor Freight after the picnic. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NE chowdah fest report
Footage at 11. Curt will work on that when he gets home. Burt also took pictures. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 9:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] NE chowdah fest report Where are the pictures (with captions)? On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The annual occasional NE MB chowdah fest was a star event today. We enjoyed clearing and finally sunny weather (but our thoughts are with those of you in Texas who are suffering from IKE). We had 9 humans and 6 MB's, great food, hood popping, parts swapping, and enjoyable story telling. Pictures and details to follow. Half of the group headed to the nearby Harbor Freight after the picnic. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NE chowdah fest report
Where are the pictures (with captions)? On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The annual occasional NE MB chowdah fest was a star event today. We enjoyed clearing and finally sunny weather (but our thoughts are with those of you in Texas who are suffering from IKE). We had 9 humans and 6 MB's, great food, hood popping, parts swapping, and enjoyable story telling. Pictures and details to follow. Half of the group headed to the nearby Harbor Freight after the picnic. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] just what you need to spice up your 240D
Stock 240D works just fine for my needs. If I want to peel my eyeballs back, I take the Quantum or the motorcycle. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Wonko? Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 8:03 PM Subject: [MBZ] just what you need to spice up your 240D http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-OM616-2-4L-Diesel-Engine-Turbocharge d_W0QQitemZ250294484465QQihZ015QQcategoryZ33615QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-OM616-2-4L-Diesel-Engine-Turbocharged_W0QQitemZ250294484465QQihZ015QQcategoryZ33615QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
As others mentioned dropping valve body is about 10 more minutes than dropping pan. I am not 100% sure on your transmission but on the 724.x there is a metal plate on top of valve body that keeps all the pieces in place thus removing valve body is simple. I would recommend trying it on a transmission that is out of car, if you are like me you have a few junk ones. This way you can get idea of what needs done. Then just do it on the one in car and swap them. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? How hard is it to pull the valve body? Im guessing a hell of a lot easier than pulling the whole tranny. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. Trampas wrote: I am betting on the gummed up or kickdown cable unplugged. The problem is in the valve body either way, if you can not get it to work with a bit of driving, drop pan and swap valve body. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? maybe something is gummed up from sitting. Might have to give this a try. Curt Raymond wrote: Very similar to my Dodge last Christmas... I put half a bottle the Lucas stuff in it and drove it around until the trans got warm, then let it sit overnight. The next day if I slipped into neutral and back to drive it'd shift up. After some driving it'd shift up reliably without messing with it. After a fluid and filter change it was fine. I think it was just a sticky valve. We've put another maybe 10,000 miles on since then and its just fine. Slips a bit but the things got 216,000 miles... -Curt Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:34:19 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OK, a couple of weeks ago you guys remember I finished the install of the trans in the 190D, and it would not shift past 2nd. That was when the baby was born and didnt mess with it anymore. Well today I messed with it a little bit. This is a 722.409 out of a 2.6. I have 2 of these trans. The one I installed on the car has this fluid line that runs from the back cover on the drivers side (govenor?) to solenoid then to a port on the front drivers side of trans. The only thing I can figure out about this setup is the epc says something about increased shift points. Im not sure what exactly it does. I applied power to the thing and it clicked sure enough. Not sure if having power opens or closes it allowing fluid thru. Does opening it increase pressure or relieve pressure? Anyway, I tried it with power applied, still no shift out of 2nd. I tried it with no power, same thing. Next I though about stuck kickdown. I unhooked wire to it, applied power, it clicks. I tried driving it with the wire left off, still wont upshift. Is it possible that the kickdown is stuck internally somehow even though it clicks? This tranny looks good, was supposed to be good, had all the ports plugged when I got it. It drops into reverse with no delay, same with drive. Im stumped. What would cause it to not upshift? Is it FUBAR? I SURE dont want to have to pull it again and try the other tranny I have. Could it be something to do with it being a tranny for a 2.6 behind the diesel? I wouldnt think so. Anybody got ANY ideas or anything to try? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
Hmmm, is that 602 cable like the 603? All the way out when the throttle is closed, goes back into the housing as the throttle opens? Backwards from the gassers. Peter On Sep 13, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The cable is fine as near as I can tell, though it is different at the top end than the one out of the diesel. The diesel one is round on the end, fits in a round hole and is held in with a c clip. The one on the 2.6 and other gas cars is simply a square plastic piece that slides and locks in a square hole on the bracket. I have it to where its not exactly fitting tight and locked in like it should but does stay put and fits on the ball like it should with no slack. Also, pulling the cable out and releasing it, it goes back like its hooked up at the tranny end like it should. Jim Cathey wrote: Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? Probably. How hard is it to pull the valve body? About 10 minutes more than changing the oil. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. No, the cable on the side that adjusts shift points. Mine had one, I managed to break it off when removing the tranny. The electrical solenoid is different. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] just what you need to spice up your 240D
Wonko the Sane wrote: Stock 240D works just fine for my needs. If I want to peel my eyeballs back, I take the Quantum... Hahaha... Isn't that Quantum a 1.6L? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] just what you need to spice up your 240D
It is -- but it has this really sweet-whistling turbo tucked down there in the engine compartment. The turbo does what it was intended to do. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Stock 240D works just fine for my needs. If I want to peel my eyeballs back, I take the Quantum... Hahaha... Isn't that Quantum a 1.6L? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ooo too wide
..There was a warning a few years ago about the additives needed to make the oil perform as stated at 10 and 40 - they said the gap was too wide and the additives needed too great . A warning by whom? RLE ** Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NE chowdah fest report
pics? Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: The annual occasional NE MB chowdah fest was a star event today. We enjoyed clearing and finally sunny weather (but our thoughts are with those of you in Texas who are suffering from IKE). We had 9 humans and 6 MB's, great food, hood popping, parts swapping, and enjoyable story telling. Pictures and details to follow. Half of the group headed to the nearby Harbor Freight after the picnic. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
Well if I have to pull the valve body, I will be swapping it for the one in the tranny that came out of the car. So, I guess the tranny would be upside down, or on its side while pulling the pan and valve body. Is this one of those deals where it has to drop straight down otherwise stuff will fall out the top since its upside down, or will it be fine? Trampas wrote: As others mentioned dropping valve body is about 10 more minutes than dropping pan. I am not 100% sure on your transmission but on the 724.x there is a metal plate on top of valve body that keeps all the pieces in place thus removing valve body is simple. I would recommend trying it on a transmission that is out of car, if you are like me you have a few junk ones. This way you can get idea of what needs done. Then just do it on the one in car and swap them. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? How hard is it to pull the valve body? Im guessing a hell of a lot easier than pulling the whole tranny. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. Trampas wrote: I am betting on the gummed up or kickdown cable unplugged. The problem is in the valve body either way, if you can not get it to work with a bit of driving, drop pan and swap valve body. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? maybe something is gummed up from sitting. Might have to give this a try. Curt Raymond wrote: Very similar to my Dodge last Christmas... I put half a bottle the Lucas stuff in it and drove it around until the trans got warm, then let it sit overnight. The next day if I slipped into neutral and back to drive it'd shift up. After some driving it'd shift up reliably without messing with it. After a fluid and filter change it was fine. I think it was just a sticky valve. We've put another maybe 10,000 miles on since then and its just fine. Slips a bit but the things got 216,000 miles... -Curt Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:34:19 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OK, a couple of weeks ago you guys remember I finished the install of the trans in the 190D, and it would not shift past 2nd. That was when the baby was born and didnt mess with it anymore. Well today I messed with it a little bit. This is a 722.409 out of a 2.6. I have 2 of these trans. The one I installed on the car has this fluid line that runs from the back cover on the drivers side (govenor?) to solenoid then to a port on the front drivers side of trans. The only thing I can figure out about this setup is the epc says something about increased shift points. Im not sure what exactly it does. I applied power to the thing and it clicked sure enough. Not sure if having power opens or closes it allowing fluid thru. Does opening it increase pressure or relieve pressure? Anyway, I tried it with power applied, still no shift out of 2nd. I tried it with no power, same thing. Next I though about stuck kickdown. I unhooked wire to it, applied power, it clicks. I tried driving it with the wire left off, still wont upshift. Is it possible that the kickdown is stuck internally somehow even though it clicks? This tranny looks good, was supposed to be good, had all the ports plugged when I got it. It drops into reverse with no delay, same with drive. Im stumped. What would cause it to not upshift? Is it FUBAR? I SURE dont want to have to pull it again and try the other tranny I have. Could it be something to do with it being a tranny for a 2.6 behind the diesel? I wouldnt think so. Anybody got ANY ideas or anything to try? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
Every one I have seen its loose at closed throttle, and tightens at full. Now I t hink the adjustment is backwards but the actual working is the same. The modulator and vacuum stuff wouldnt have anything to do with it not upshifting would it? Would not think so. I did swap the diesel modulator over in place of the gasser version (green to red). Peter Frederick wrote: Hmmm, is that 602 cable like the 603? All the way out when the throttle is closed, goes back into the housing as the throttle opens? Backwards from the gassers. Peter On Sep 13, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The cable is fine as near as I can tell, though it is different at the top end than the one out of the diesel. The diesel one is round on the end, fits in a round hole and is held in with a c clip. The one on the 2.6 and other gas cars is simply a square plastic piece that slides and locks in a square hole on the bracket. I have it to where its not exactly fitting tight and locked in like it should but does stay put and fits on the ball like it should with no slack. Also, pulling the cable out and releasing it, it goes back like its hooked up at the tranny end like it should. Jim Cathey wrote: Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? Probably. How hard is it to pull the valve body? About 10 minutes more than changing the oil. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. No, the cable on the side that adjusts shift points. Mine had one, I managed to break it off when removing the tranny. The electrical solenoid is different. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
I should have taken pics before I installed the trans. To get an idea though, if you have an epc, look up a 260E or a 190E 2.6 and you will see them. Actually, see if you can open the attatched file, see the line assembly numbered 170, thats is. The solenoid is 205. Tony Wirtel wrote: Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? How hard is it to pull the valve body? Im guessing a hell of a lot easier than pulling the whole tranny. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. Pulling the body is easy- Keep track of the bolts; several lengths are involved and there are a lot of them. The body will drop from the trans as a unit but actually has 4 layers. Do NOT disassemble the body unless you have gaskets and diagrams to know what goes back where when a few springs jump out (do this in a contained space where springs cannot get lost!). . When dropping the body Also keep an eye out for a few little bits. If like the 722.418 on my 300d there is a little plastic valve and other bits that MUST be set just so and may come out from where they belong when you drop the valve body. Do you have any pics to show the lines you mention? Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trannyline.xps Type: application/vnd.ms-xpsdocument Size: 115466 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080913/b0a6f337/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
That didnt work, here is a link http://www.okiebenz.com/files/trannyline.xps Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I should have taken pics before I installed the trans. To get an idea though, if you have an epc, look up a 260E or a 190E 2.6 and you will see them. Actually, see if you can open the attatched file, see the line assembly numbered 170, thats is. The solenoid is 205. Tony Wirtel wrote: Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? How hard is it to pull the valve body? Im guessing a hell of a lot easier than pulling the whole tranny. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. Pulling the body is easy- Keep track of the bolts; several lengths are involved and there are a lot of them. The body will drop from the trans as a unit but actually has 4 layers. Do NOT disassemble the body unless you have gaskets and diagrams to know what goes back where when a few springs jump out (do this in a contained space where springs cannot get lost!). . When dropping the body Also keep an eye out for a few little bits. If like the 722.418 on my 300d there is a little plastic valve and other bits that MUST be set just so and may come out from where they belong when you drop the valve body. Do you have any pics to show the lines you mention? Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ooo too wide
This was a known problem in the 80s and was first discovered when engine rings would gum up with black deposits (coke). It did not take too long to discover that most of these engines were running 10W 40 oil and that the problem was not brand specific. Also, the same engines that ran 10W 30 or 20W 40 oil did not suffer from the sticking ring (coking) problem. 5W 30, 5W 40 and 15W 40 oils did not exist or at least were not readily at the time. The only plausible explanation was the additive package since 10w 30 and 10W 40 oils were the same base stock but the 10w 30 oils did not exhibit the sticking rings problem... By now, the oil additives may have been reformulated to solve the problem but why take a chance? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:09 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ooo too wide ..There was a warning a few years ago about the additives needed to make the oil perform as stated at 10 and 40 - they said the gap was too wide and the additives needed too great . A warning by whom? RLE ** Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1669 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 2:18 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1669 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 2:18 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
On the 603 in a W124, the cable is full OUT at closed throttle, retracts fully into the housing at full throttle, the reverse of the gassers, which are all the way into the housing at closed throttle and all the way out at full throttle. However, I still agree you have a valve body problem, it's fairly obvious either the governor isn't supplying adequate pressure change to move the appropriate shift valve of the valve itself is defective. No upshift is a typical MB tranny failure, after all. There is a plate between the valve body and transmission that serves as a seal AND as a check ball retainer. Last diagram I saw had 27 check balls in there, with four or five different sizes, so I'd be careful to keep that valve body correclty oriented at ALL times, just to be sure! Peter On Sep 13, 2008, at 10:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Every one I have seen its loose at closed throttle, and tightens at full. Now I t hink the adjustment is backwards but the actual working is the same. The modulator and vacuum stuff wouldnt have anything to do with it not upshifting would it? Would not think so. I did swap the diesel modulator over in place of the gasser version (green to red). Peter Frederick wrote: Hmmm, is that 602 cable like the 603? All the way out when the throttle is closed, goes back into the housing as the throttle opens? Backwards from the gassers. Peter On Sep 13, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The cable is fine as near as I can tell, though it is different at the top end than the one out of the diesel. The diesel one is round on the end, fits in a round hole and is held in with a c clip. The one on the 2.6 and other gas cars is simply a square plastic piece that slides and locks in a square hole on the bracket. I have it to where its not exactly fitting tight and locked in like it should but does stay put and fits on the ball like it should with no slack. Also, pulling the cable out and releasing it, it goes back like its hooked up at the tranny end like it should. Jim Cathey wrote: Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? Probably. How hard is it to pull the valve body? About 10 minutes more than changing the oil. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. No, the cable on the side that adjusts shift points. Mine had one, I managed to break it off when removing the tranny. The electrical solenoid is different. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- -- --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
Re: [MBZ] Ooo too wide
A few years ago, there were no 10W-40 oils on the Mercedes approved list. 10W-30 and 15W-50 Mobil 1, yes, but not the 10W-40. I would assume that the viscosity exenders were at fault, and that MB felt that inadequate lubricating qualities would result. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Gerrys accident
Since things are slow on MBZ, this might be a good time to describe an accident I had in June. I'm out of the rehab center/nursing home now, using a walker, and even taking a few steps unassisted. The physical therapist who comes to my home three times a week said I would probably be using a cane in 2 or 3 weeks. Here is what happened: I went behind the shop to get something out of the car. On the way back I tripped on the concrete slab, staggered around trying to get my balance, and broke the head of the femur (upper right leg) while still upright. Then I went down face first on the concrete. The back door of the shop was locked so I had to crawl around to the front door, through the door and across the the shop floor towards the telephone. I almost made it but the linoleum was too slick to drag mayself on forearms and elbows. I layed there for about 24 hours before my daughter found me. (Interesting exercise in pain management.) I was taken by helicopter to Shands Hospital in Gaineville where the broken head of the femur was repaired. This was a wake up call for me since I was not observing the limitations of my age (79); in this case not being careful in walking around and ignoring the danger of breaking bones. The best way to keep track of how brittle your bones are is a bone scan. I never bothered to get one; much to my later regret. Those of you who are retirement age might do well to get your bones scanned periodically so you'll know when you should slow down. Mercedes content: I was replacing the chain on my '83 300D and had gone out to get a part from my other Mercedes. Good luck, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gerrys accident
Gerry: Glad to hear you are doing well -- a broken hip is often the start of a steep downhill decline! I've often wondered how many broken hips were the result of a fall and how many happened first, causing the fall -- all you gotta do is what you did, or in bad cases of loss of bone density, turn wrong, or use your legs to get out of a chair instead of helping with your arms. Also a notice to those working (and living) alone where you are likely to not be missed for a while if something happens -- keep a cell phone with you all the time, or at least make sure there is a phone you can get to so that you don't spend a day on the floor, that's not good for the more mature of us! Best of luck, hope you get to finish that chain replacement soon! Peter On Sep 13, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Archer wrote: Since things are slow on MBZ, this might be a good time to describe an accident I had in June. I'm out of the rehab center/nursing home now, using a walker, and even taking a few steps unassisted. The physical therapist who comes to my home three times a week said I would probably be using a cane in 2 or 3 weeks. Here is what happened: I went behind the shop to get something out of the car. On the way back I tripped on the concrete slab, staggered around trying to get my balance, and broke the head of the femur (upper right leg) while still upright. Then I went down face first on the concrete. The back door of the shop was locked so I had to crawl around to the front door, through the door and across the the shop floor towards the telephone. I almost made it but the linoleum was too slick to drag mayself on forearms and elbows. I layed there for about 24 hours before my daughter found me. (Interesting exercise in pain management.) I was taken by helicopter to Shands Hospital in Gaineville where the broken head of the femur was repaired. This was a wake up call for me since I was not observing the limitations of my age (79); in this case not being careful in walking around and ignoring the danger of breaking bones. The best way to keep track of how brittle your bones are is a bone scan. I never bothered to get one; much to my later regret. Those of you who are retirement age might do well to get your bones scanned periodically so you'll know when you should slow down. Mercedes content: I was replacing the chain on my '83 300D and had gone out to get a part from my other Mercedes. Good luck, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
