Re: [MBZ] Euan
First, and most obviously, the engine is sensitive to low revs. Which means that revs always have to kept high, especially in gears 3-5. All your problems sound like they might be relieved somewhat with a shorter rear end in it. Our 190D (manny conversion) exhibits a mild form of this behavior. I believe that I also need to swap rear ends with the donor as well. Whereas the 200D (115) is very grunty and has plenty of torque. Surprisingly pleasant driving behavior. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Java Error
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:01 PM, David Hemsley [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I don't understand it but since I got this new computer i cannot log onto the home site I keep getting some type of a JAVA error. Thanks, Dave H... Write down the error and send it back. The most likely problem is the new computer does not have the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) installed, and as such, can not run Java programs. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. plus a few other pieces.....purists be warned, not for the faint hearted
http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19925 or for those who need a bit more space http://www.autoscout24.it/Details.aspx?id=138296208 or if you want the car to arrive half an hour before you do http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19731page=1category=0order=time ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. plus a few other pieces.....purists be warned, not for the faint hearted
Mitch Haley wrote: Hendrik Fay wrote: http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19925 Can you imagine trying to get TÜV to let you drive it on the road? On second thought, although it's on a .de web site, is that a Russian plate? I bet the Russians are less strict than TÜV. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. plus a few other pieces.....purists be warned, not for the faint hearted
Hendrik Fay wrote: http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19925 Rice, rice, baby! Can you imagine trying to get TÜV to let you drive it on the road? http://www.autoscout24.it/Details.aspx?id=138296208 E200 Hearse? Roomy, but probably a bit slow. Might be fun, but not for $7000 plus freight. http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19731 I bet Tom could tell us all about this. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] RICH NEEDS TO BUY THIS
Found one for you, I'm passing because it doesn't have AC. '72 350SL for $3950 (typo?) http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/865375420.html -- Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD, 310k miles Charleston SC Digest lurker (on and off) since 2001 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. plus a few other pieces.....purists be warned, not for the faint hearted
Mitch Haley wrote: Hendrik Fay wrote: http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19925 Rice, rice, baby! Can you imagine trying to get TÜV to let you drive it on the road? I kind of like it. The world needs more brown hot rods. http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19731 I bet Tom could tell us all about this. Yeah, its made out of fiberglass. Tom Going back under his rock ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Euan
Euan, any time you want to bore us with a post like that you go right ahead. I find it much more interesting than the political pap we've had lately. The juddering you describe interests me since it doesn't happen on my 240D or 190D both manual. I do get a shudder on the 190D first thing in the morning. I don't know if its clutch trouble or the engine not having as much power when its cold. I live with it as its gone within a mile. Could you potentially swap in the rear end from a different car? I don't know if the wagon had a unique rear diff but if not it seems like one from a 240D should get your gearing down... Rolf, notice Euan's email address ends in .nz. Loads of cool cars out there we never got in the US. You did notice his is a 5spd. -Curt Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:37:51 +1200 From: Euan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Euan To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed This is dangerous, Rolf. I could bore you cross-eyed on this subject. The wagon was manufactured with this transmission. The PO (a Brit padre with an RAF Tornado squadron in Holland) selected that option at the Dutch assembly plant he toured with his options tick-sheet. I bought the wagon from him after he emigrated to the Colonies in 1987. It had 29000 miles on it then. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Debate
Maybe if enough people understood the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights and then had enough humph to say, believe and stand behind He_ _ NO I'm not going to take it anymore we would not have to worry about someone knocking on our door - or more explicitly knocking down our door in the middle of the night those treasonus robber barrons probably would have to worry though. :) Dave H... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:18:22 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Debate Why? The high crime of treason is the only crime actually spelled out in the constitution. Why shouldn't we expect, if not demand, that those guilty of treason are brought to justice? On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 08:55:43AM -0400, andrew strasfogel wrote: You might not want to utter such remarks in a public forum. Someone might take you seriously and knock on your door... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Debate
i think it was snook. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who committed treason? Kevin wrote: Why? The high crime of treason is the only crime actually spelled out in the constitution. Why shouldn't we expect, if not demand, that those guilty of treason are brought to justice? On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 08:55:43AM -0400, andrew strasfogel wrote: You might not want to utter such remarks in a public forum. Someone might take you seriously and knock on your door... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Debate
the waffen ss are just plain military, comparable, say, the USMC. you would mean just plain SS, but probably more like gestapo from your description. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donald Snook wrote: If it weren't you would be rounded up for such criticism and shown what it is really like to not have freedom. You mean like the people who think they can go to a Bush rally with a stop the war T-shirt on? Or the ones that think they can write Bush Sucks on a piece of notebook paper and hold it up at an airport as Air Farce One lands? The Secret Service protection division seems to have been converted to the Waffen SS, starting about 2004. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Roll call vote on HR 1424
Hey Wonko, are you going to move back to DC? On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Dubya is a Democratic cheerleader? Only if the Democrats have turned to Marxism. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
Drops?? From under the car? Are you talking about a wagon or a sedan? Mine is a 300TD wagon. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mine was some kind of plastic. I don't recall the details but it took maybe an hour to drop the vacuum reservoir. I think there were screws or nuts under the back compartment liner. I think I used soapy water and blew into it with my mouth via a hose to locate the leaks. You do want to remove the tank because the leaks could be on top which is up against the chassis/floor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 15:56 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty? How hard is it to expose the tank in a wagon and locate the crack? Is it made of metal or plastic? On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's only cracked, this is a job for shoe goo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:39 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty? Hey Rusty, how about a 300TD wagon vacuum reservoir tank (beneath the rear hatch area floor)? On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks-I looked on their website at Glen Brown's suggestion-only saw various SL panels-107, 113, etc. I need to e-mail them. My body shop guy said that he used to get 123 quarters for years from Bob's Benzes. He said he was fixing them already back in the 80's here in salty NE-anybody know about Bob's Benzes? Curt's right-I just need the lower quarter from belt line down with dogleg. Dwight Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KK in Michigan sells repair panels for common rustout areas.. At 09:20 AM 10/3/2008, you wrote: One wonders how much the replacement rear quarter covers, up behind the door to the top of the rear window? How far around the rear of the car? Dwight's rust problem is just the lowest part of the quarter, same place as most of 'em... -Curt Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:02:53 -0400 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty? To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20081002155710.NHGN11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.nethttp://20081002155710.nhgn11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net/ http://20081002155710.nhgn11 636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net/ http://20081002155710.nhgn11 636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net/ @eastrmimpo03.cox.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Thanks but OUCH. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts
Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. plus a few other pieces.....purists be warned, not for the faint hearted
http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/forum_entry.php?id=19925 or for those who need a bit more space http://www.autoscout24.it/Details.aspx?id=138296208 or if you want the car to arrive half an hour before you do http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/ forum_entry.php?id=19731page=1category=0order=time Any one of those would be worthy of decorating my parking space at work. Might get more than a few comments, though I think the first one would probably impress this crowd the most. (If one were to park a Bugatti Veyron across from a Bugatti Royale I know which one would probably be drawing flocks. But I'd rather have the Royale.) Yeah, its made out of fiberglass. That's the impression I got. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RICH NEEDS TO BUY THIS
I'm passing because it doesn't have AC. '72 350SL for $3950 (typo?) http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/865375420.html It has it. It's probably just broken, but I'm sure it's fixable, as opposed to a Euro car that was made without it or something. (Well, it has the thermostat knob, anyway.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] HR 1424 - Background on Debacle!
Hi all, With all of the who did what or who didn't do anything to cause/ contribute to the current financial debacle, here are two pretty clear articles from the NYTimes This is from 1999: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html? res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260 This is from 2003: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html? res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63sec=spon=pagewanted=1 Interesting reading, some of which totally contradicts what is being stated today as fact! I'll leave the reader to draw their own conclusions! Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Debate
Gary Hurst wrote: the waffen ss are just plain military, In the end, you were right, but in the beginning, a little closer to what I was thinking. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/waffenss.html The Waffen-SS (Armed Protective Squadron) was the combat arm of the Schutzstaffel. Commanded by Heinrich Himmler who was ranked Reichsführer-SS (National Leader of the SS), the Waffen-SS saw action throughout the Second World War. After humble beginnings as a protection unit for the NSDAP leadership, the Waffen-SS eventually grew into a huge force of thirty-eight combat divisions comprising over 950,000 men. In the Nuremberg Trials, the Waffen-SS was condemned as part of a criminal organisation, and therefore Waffen-SS veterans were denied many of the rights afforded other German combat veterans. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
Wagon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:08 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty? Drops?? From under the car? Are you talking about a wagon or a sedan? Mine is a 300TD wagon. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mine was some kind of plastic. I don't recall the details but it took maybe an hour to drop the vacuum reservoir. I think there were screws or nuts under the back compartment liner. I think I used soapy water and blew into it with my mouth via a hose to locate the leaks. You do want to remove the tank because the leaks could be on top which is up against the chassis/floor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 15:56 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty? How hard is it to expose the tank in a wagon and locate the crack? Is it made of metal or plastic? On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's only cracked, this is a job for shoe goo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:39 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty? Hey Rusty, how about a 300TD wagon vacuum reservoir tank (beneath the rear hatch area floor)? On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks-I looked on their website at Glen Brown's suggestion-only saw various SL panels-107, 113, etc. I need to e-mail them. My body shop guy said that he used to get 123 quarters for years from Bob's Benzes. He said he was fixing them already back in the 80's here in salty NE-anybody know about Bob's Benzes? Curt's right-I just need the lower quarter from belt line down with dogleg. Dwight Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KK in Michigan sells repair panels for common rustout areas.. At 09:20 AM 10/3/2008, you wrote: One wonders how much the replacement rear quarter covers, up behind the door to the top of the rear window? How far around the rear of the car? Dwight's rust problem is just the lowest part of the quarter, same place as most of 'em... -Curt Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:02:53 -0400 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty? To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20081002155710.NHGN11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.nethttp://20081002155710.nhgn11 636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net/ http://20081002155710.nhgn11 636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net/ http://20081002155710.nhgn11 636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net/ @eastrmimpo03.cox.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Thanks but OUCH. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery
[MBZ] One down
Driver's side rear brake is done. Learned a lot, managed to break a c-clamp. It was a tool show cheapie but interestingly had been fine up till now... I learned the better way to push the calipers back is with a screwdriver while the old pads and rotor are still installed... Gotta have some lunch and get back out there! -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Euan
I thought all the wagins had a different ratio diff than the sedanssomeone must have a technical data sheet with the info. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Euan
Yeah thats my point, Euan could benefit from a lower ratio like from a 240D... -Curt --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Euan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 1:08 PM I thought all the wagins had a different ratio diff than the sedanssomeone must have a technical data sheet with the info. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Euan
Hey Zedic, Are you still in the UK? Bob R In the AZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Zedic Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Euan I thought all the wagins had a different ratio diff than the sedanssomeone must have a technical data sheet with the info. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Euan
Yes! I've been enjoying the warm sparkly weather..almost ready to buy a scarf. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Euan's 5spd 123.190
Howdy Euan, we had an exchange re: juddering several years ago when I also owned a car like yours. Mine would make an obnoxious noise at low RPM in 1st and 2nd, and keeping above 2000 RPM would eliminate it. The noise came from either the engine or the transmission to my ears, and my mechanic declared it to be a problem in the transmission. He said that incorrectly set-up clearances would cause it, that it was purely an annoyance, but if I had $1600 for a rebuild he could probably fix it. However, I don't think that your problem is the same, unless it is a much more severe case. Another possible cause (that I learned about in intervening years) would be an incorrect clutch disc - do you know if your's was ever replaced? The 240D version can cause an intolerable juddering when installed in a 300D/TD (four springs vs. five in the 5cyl clutch disc). -- Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD, 310k miles Charleston SC Digest lurker (on and off) since 2001 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Debate
Gary wrote if enough people understood the Constitution Hey ya'll - anyone know much the Constitution is taught in school these days? It's been 40+ years since I last stepped into my High School, but I seem to recall spending a semester/quarter on the Constitution - possibly 2 semesters/quarters. Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: David Hemsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Debate Maybe if enough people understood the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights and then had enough humph to say, believe and stand behind He_ _ NO I'm not going to take it anymore we would not have to worry about someone knocking on our door - or more explicitly knocking down our door in the middle of the night those treasonus robber barrons probably would have to worry though. :) Dave H... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:18:22 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Debate Why? The high crime of treason is the only crime actually spelled out in the constitution. Why shouldn't we expect, if not demand, that those guilty of treason are brought to justice? On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 08:55:43AM -0400, andrew strasfogel wrote: You might not want to utter such remarks in a public forum. Someone might take you seriously and knock on your door... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One down
always do one pad at a time - using a large screwdriver wedged between the old pad and rotor obviously being careful not to damage the rotor - although that's unlikely. Never remove both pads at the same time - you'll find a worn pad makes a perfect place to wedge the screwdriver. Don't forget the backing plates if fitted and put some anti- squeal paste on the back of the pads and don;t put greasy finger prints on the rotor or new pads. The new pads should slide in easily as long as the piston/s is fully retracted. Small blocks of wood are helpful also - Are you doing the wheel bearings now also? Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: [MBZ] One down Driver's side rear brake is done. Learned a lot, managed to break a c-clamp. It was a tool show cheapie but interestingly had been fine up till now... I learned the better way to push the calipers back is with a screwdriver while the old pads and rotor are still installed... Gotta have some lunch and get back out there! -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Debate
after the war, they were still vilified equally with the ss who ran the camps, but i always found this to be incorrect, sort of the equivalent singling out marines or rangers for special treatment. then again, such subtleties were not really on anyone's minds as the winners were pissed off and anyone wearing SS insignia was in serious trouble. The SS stigma lasts to this day. I knew an old german guy, gunther, who spent many years as a young lad fighting in russia for his country. being the asshole i am and just loving to pick on germans, i would always tell him he was amongst friends and can admit he was not just wermacht and was, in fact, waffen SS. i most enjoy his shrill and hysterical denials for having to do with anything ss. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: the waffen ss are just plain military, In the end, you were right, but in the beginning, a little closer to what I was thinking. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/waffenss.html The Waffen-SS (Armed Protective Squadron) was the combat arm of the Schutzstaffel. Commanded by Heinrich Himmler who was ranked Reichsführer-SS (National Leader of the SS), the Waffen-SS saw action throughout the Second World War. After humble beginnings as a protection unit for the NSDAP leadership, the Waffen-SS eventually grew into a huge force of thirty-eight combat divisions comprising over 950,000 men. In the Nuremberg Trials, the Waffen-SS was condemned as part of a criminal organisation, and therefore Waffen-SS veterans were denied many of the rights afforded other German combat veterans. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RICH NEEDS TO BUY THIS
My wife would love it after she killed me. --R Max Dillon wrote: Found one for you, I'm passing because it doesn't have AC. '72 350SL for $3950 (typo?) http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/865375420.html -- Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD, 310k miles Charleston SC Digest lurker (on and off) since 2001 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Debate
My youngest graduated from HS three years ago - he and his three sisters before him all had significant study of the Constitution. I still have several copies around the house. I even have one on an iPod Touch! On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 1:39 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary wrote if enough people understood the Constitution Hey ya'll - anyone know much the Constitution is taught in school these days? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Debate
OK Don wrote: My youngest graduated from HS three years ago - he and his three sisters before him all had significant study of the Constitution. In school, at home, or both? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One down
Well that was to be the subject of my next post. I didn't realize that the front rotors and wheel bearings were inter-related the way they are and I'm not prepared... In fact its terrible because in pushing the driver's side front caliper back I pretty much destroyed the pads, it looked like they were delaminating anyway... So I had to put in new pads but leave the old rotor which is really rusty. I'm reasonably sure the caliper is retracted the whole way because the new pads are flush to metal, I can't see how they could fit in any farther but they're REALLY tight against the rotor. Like its hard to turn the wheel tight, like it makes a horrible squealing noise when I move the car tight... I know when I'm over my head, this'll go to my Indy for finishing. The rears are done, one set of pads is replaced, I know the rearmost cables are not stuck... -Curt --- On Sat, 10/4/08, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] One down To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 2:55 PM always do one pad at a time - using a large screwdriver wedged between the old pad and rotor obviously being careful not to damage the rotor - although that's unlikely. Never remove both pads at the same time - you'll find a worn pad makes a perfect place to wedge the screwdriver. Don't forget the backing plates if fitted and put some anti- squeal paste on the back of the pads and don;t put greasy finger prints on the rotor or new pads. The new pads should slide in easily as long as the piston/s is fully retracted. Small blocks of wood are helpful also - Are you doing the wheel bearings now also? Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: [MBZ] One down Driver's side rear brake is done. Learned a lot, managed to break a c-clamp. It was a tool show cheapie but interestingly had been fine up till now... I learned the better way to push the calipers back is with a screwdriver while the old pads and rotor are still installed... Gotta have some lunch and get back out there! -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Drool
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[MBZ] Spoof of the week
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Re: [MBZ] Spoof of the week
That would be funny if it weren't true! On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.strategerycapital.com/index.php?slug=home -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spoof of the week
OK Don wrote: That would be funny if it weren't true! The question is, do we call the president Comrade Bush or Franklin Delano Bush? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
Come to think of it, there was a second vacuum reservoir in the left fender near the hood on my 79 300TD. A PO had disconnected it and everything still worked fine so I never gave it a second thought until now. Is that the one that troubles you? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:54 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty? Wagon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:08 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty? Drops?? From under the car? Are you talking about a wagon or a sedan? Mine is a 300TD wagon. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mine was some kind of plastic. I don't recall the details but it took maybe an hour to drop the vacuum reservoir. I think there were screws or nuts under the back compartment liner. I think I used soapy water and blew into it with my mouth via a hose to locate the leaks. You do want to remove the tank because the leaks could be on top which is up against the chassis/floor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 15:56 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty? How hard is it to expose the tank in a wagon and locate the crack? Is it made of metal or plastic? On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's only cracked, this is a job for shoe goo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:39 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty? Hey Rusty, how about a 300TD wagon vacuum reservoir tank (beneath the rear hatch area floor)? On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks-I looked on their website at Glen Brown's suggestion-only saw various SL panels-107, 113, etc. I need to e-mail them. My body shop guy said that he used to get 123 quarters for years from Bob's Benzes. He said he was fixing them already back in the 80's here in salty NE-anybody know about Bob's Benzes? Curt's right-I just need the lower quarter from belt line down with dogleg. Dwight Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KK in Michigan sells repair panels for common rustout areas.. At 09:20 AM 10/3/2008, you wrote: One wonders how much the replacement rear quarter covers, up behind the door to the top of the rear window? How far around the rear of the car? Dwight's rust problem is just the lowest part of the quarter, same place as most of 'em... -Curt Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:02:53 -0400 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty? To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20081002155710.NHGN11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.nethttp://20081002155710.nhgn11 636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net/ http://20081002155710.nhgn11 636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net/ http://20081002155710.nhgn11 636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net/ @eastrmimpo03.cox.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Thanks but OUCH. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___
Re: [MBZ] Three cheers for an OKie! Was PORK
Hmmm where was the media when all this was happening? I wonder how well the vote was publicized? And when the topic was difficult to understand if their constituents understood what they were doing.'' they protected the dems as they always have. But very gradually the situation is slwly turning around as things like NYT and others of similar ilk see their sales plummet. Same for the Big 3 networks as their viewerships continue to fall. Unfortunately, it's taking too long. Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Three cheers for an OKie! Was PORK Rich wrote: Note that this is on the Opinion page, but it seems rather straightforward and factual by a guy who knows his topic. Here is another interesting article. It has a similar thesis, EXCEPT it explores the role of Congress, finds the point at which Congress tried to act (and then places blame on those for failing. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchivesid=aSKSoiNbnQY0 It's a pretty interesting article. Here is the most important part: What happened next was extraordinary. For the first time in history, a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking Committeehttp://banking.senate.gov/public/. The bill gave a regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky assets. Different World If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. In 2005, 2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered out of the Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most venerable institutions. Without their checkbooks keeping the market liquid and buying up excess supply, the market would likely have not existed. But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter. That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the Democrats was obscene even then. Wallison wrotehttp://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.22514/pub_detail.asp at the time: ``It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit. The Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio limitations could not possibly do so if their constituents understood what they were doing.'' Mounds of Materials Now that the collapse has occurred, the roadblock built by Senate Democrats in 2005 is unforgivable. Many who opposed the bill doubtlessly did so for honorable reasons. Fannie and Freddie provided mounds of materials defending their practices. Perhaps some found their propaganda convincing. But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, including Barack Obamahttp://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Barack+Obamasite=wnewsclient=wnewsproxystylesheet=wnewsoutput=xml_no_dtdie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8filter=pgetfields=wnnissort=date:D:S:d1, Hillary Clintonhttp://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Hillary+Clintonsite=wnewsclient=wnewsproxystylesheet=wnewsoutput=xml_no_dtdie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8filter=pgetfields=wnnissort=date:D:S:d1 and Christopher Doddhttp://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Christopher+Doddsite=wnewsclient=wnewsproxystylesheet=wnewsoutput=xml_no_dtdie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8filter=pgetfields=wnnissort=date:D:S:d1, have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the years. There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. A look back at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear. Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in mind while Democrats point fingers between now and Nov. 4: Senator John McCainhttp://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=John+McCainsite=wnewsclient=wnewsproxystylesheet=wnewsoutput=xml_no_dtdie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8filter=pgetfields=wnnissort=date:D:S:d1 was one of the three cosponsors of S.190http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN00190:@@@P, the bill that would have averted this mess. Donald H. Snook 1990 Volvo 240DL (with a McCain sticker on it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Euan's 5spd 123.190
Hi there, Max Yes, I remember our conversations. Thanks for your comments this time too. Apart from a thrust bearing renewal last year, nothing has been touched in the clutch. It's the original. Another possible cause (that I learned about in intervening years) would be an incorrect clutch disc - do you know if your's was ever replaced? The 240D version can cause an intolerable juddering when installed in a 300D/TD (four springs vs. five in the 5cyl clutch disc). The flywheel explanation came from a diesel engineer acquaintance who's been very keen to buy the wagon. This chap believes that the flywheels in 300TDs of this vintage were too heavy. But what that implies for this juddering feedback is beyond me, I'm afraid. Were a lower ratio diff to be fitted, what would that mean for fuel consumption on the highway, I wonder? Cheers Euan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Debate
Well, that's encouraging. I feared it had been minimalized. Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Debate My youngest graduated from HS three years ago - he and his three sisters before him all had significant study of the Constitution. I still have several copies around the house. I even have one on an iPod Touch! On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 1:39 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary wrote if enough people understood the Constitution Hey ya'll - anyone know much the Constitution is taught in school these days? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Three cheers for an OKie................perhaps?
you asked where was the good senator when the good times where rolling? Did he stand up and warn about the dangers of If you're talking about Sen Coburn, he was elected to office in 2004 - so he was pretty new when the problems were starting - which he wrote about. As far as where he was when the good times rolled he was probably working. Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Three cheers for an OKieperhaps? Yes but where was the good senator when the good times where rolling? Did he stand up and warn about the dangers of uncontrolled lending? Did he say that whilst home ownership is a good thing it is not for everybody? Or is he using this to further his own political ambition? If he is then he is worse than the jokers who took their eyes off the ball in the first place. However this statement underlines why there is a bailout, collective guilt will be soothed with taxpayer money. The other side of the coin is what would happen if there is no bailout? Would there be big problems or are these problems perceived? The stock market is largely made up of smoke and mirrors, people get spooked and a stampede follows, even though there may not be any good reason to do so. At least with this we sort of know what the problem is and can predict the likely result. My thoughts are that the bailout should be a long term loan, the regulations should be tightened to ensure the idiots are weeded out and taxes should be raised on the rich (best along the lines of a higher luxury tax) to partly pay for all this stupidity. Far as I am concerned it should have been the share holders of the greedy lenders who should have said stop, as they have the brains. Hendrik dabbling in things he does not fully understand, bit like fixing a Merc Loren Faeth wrote: to Quote Dr. Tom Cobern, Senator from OK regarding the millionaire bailout bill : (or Billionaire bailout bill if you prefer) This bill does not represent a new and sudden departure from free market principles as much as it represents an emergency response to congressional actions that have ignored free market principles, and our Constitution, for decades. If anyone in Washington should offer their resignation it should be the members of Congress who peddled the fantasy of free home ownership without risk. No institution in our country is more responsible for the myth or borrowing without consequences than the United States Congress. As much as members of Congress want to find scapegoats, the root of this problem is political greed in Congress. Members of Congress from both parties wanted short-term political credit for promoting home ownership even though they were putting our entire economy at risk by encouraging people to buy homes they couldn't afford. Then, instead of conducting thorough oversight and correcting obvious problems with unstable entities like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, members of Congress chose to ignore the problem and distract themselves with unprecedented amounts of pork-barrel spending. Taxpayers who want to ensure that this doesn't happen again should send a very clear message to Washington that it's time for Congress to live within its means and restore the principles of limited government and free markets that made this country great. I will do everything in my power to ensure that this bill does not lead us down a slippery slope of European style socialism and slow economic growth. I will also promise taxpayers that I will do everything in my power to block what I expect will be hundreds of attempts by politicians in Washington to continue business-as-usual borrowing and spending in the next Congress. In a time of crisis, American families have to make hard choices between budget priorities. So should Congress. If politicians want to create new programs they should eliminate duplicative programs or reduce funding for less important programs. The only way we can put this crisis behind us is for Congress to rejoin the real world of budget choices and consequences which, as we have seen in recent days, can be ignored for only so long. This is one of the most coherent things I have seen coming out of the general vicinity of the District of Columbia. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used
Re: [MBZ] Debate
You wrote Or the ones that think they can write Bush Sucks on a piece of notebook paper and hold it up at an airport as Air Farce One lands? The Secret Service protection division seems to have been converted to the Waffen SS, starting about 2004. Either it happened again with Bush or youpre thinking about the person in Chicago who said that to Clinton and was promptly investigated by the IRS. Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Debate Donald Snook wrote: If it weren't you would be rounded up for such criticism and shown what it is really like to not have freedom. You mean like the people who think they can go to a Bush rally with a stop the war T-shirt on? Or the ones that think they can write Bush Sucks on a piece of notebook paper and hold it up at an airport as Air Farce One lands? The Secret Service protection division seems to have been converted to the Waffen SS, starting about 2004. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Euan's 5spd 123.190
Were a lower ratio diff to be fitted, what would that mean for fuel consumption on the highway, I wonder? Very little, I'd think. Diesels aren't nearly as sensitive to throttle position as gassers. You want the engine running in its sweet spot anyway, so if the gearing is too high you'd be off on the low side anyway. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
Come to think of it, there was a second vacuum reservoir in the left fender near the hood on my 79 300TD. A PO had disconnected it and everything still worked fine so I never gave it a second thought until now. Is that the one that troubles you? That reservoir is for the HVAC system. It was insufficient to handle the locking system so a different one was added for that. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Drool
http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/866389163.html I've been to Beverly! An ex girlfriend moved back there, I helped her drive cross-country. Her family owned a copy shop, I think her brother still runs it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One down
they're REALLY tight against the rotor. Like its hard to turn the wheel tight, like it makes a horrible squealing noise when I move the car tight... They'll scrub down to something reasonable pretty quickly. I like to use a putty knife or the like to protect the pad and/or rotor when I'm prying. (The edge of the rotor needs no protection, it's usually the fulcrum.) I also like to use vise-grips to pull the ears of the pads towards the caliper body, that and gentle prying usually does it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Debate
LarryT wrote: Either it happened again with Bush or youpre thinking about the person in Chicago who said that to Clinton and was promptly investigated by the IRS. You wanna know something truly amazing? I googled it and it lead me right back here: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/2008-April/094740.html Having trouble finding it elsewhere. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Upper ball joints
I've just finished doing one (of the two) in Ethelred, the '82 380 SL. They were both bad and you could rattle the wheels back and forth when jacked up. (Chunka-chunka.) It's been worrying me, and I finally got time to address it. It's actually not that hard, a 4 grinder is the secret weapon. A carbide burr in the Dremel helped out. It can be done on a jack with no more disassembly of the front end than removing the brake caliper. (And that only for clearance.) Then it all just bolts back together. It took me about four hours, I expect to halve that on the other one. I used the TRW bolt-on joint, the official procedure is to replace the upper control arm, at a significantly greater expense and with a lot more trouble. Full story: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/SL2log.html#2Oct2008 -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190E gets 35mpg!
I might consider buying this, seems like Berryman wanted $1k jusr for the manny tranny and everything you'd need to install it in a 190 a couple of years ago. http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/865279573.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190E gets 35mpg!
they are crazy rare. a 2.6 would be preferred to a 2.3, but a running 2.3 with 5 speed is still a steal for a thousand bucks one warning though is that a lot of guys think 5 speed means the shift lever is on the floor. so they will call 4 speed manuals 5 speeds and automatics with the gearshift between the seats a 5 speed as well On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might consider buying this, seems like Berryman wanted $1k jusr for the manny tranny and everything you'd need to install it in a 190 a couple of years ago. http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/865279573.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Drool
http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/866389163.html Don't tempt me! It's not fair that it's on the wrong coast! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] cheap 300E
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Re: [MBZ] cheap 300E
oh, yeah, well worth a long look do you evcen live near lansing, MI? On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/860351282.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Update on the hesitation steering
It's been some time since I last reported on the problem I had with my steering freezing momentarily. The fix, you'll recall, was to adjust the power steering belt to eliminate slippage. Well, that seems to have been the correct diagnosis. Wet or dry, there's been no recurrence of steering freeze at all. That's quite some relief, I assure you. Cheers Euan CHCH NZ 1985 300TD 5-pd manual 213K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Update on the hesitation steering
Euan wrote: The fix, you'll recall, was to adjust the power steering belt to eliminate slippage. So how hard is it to steer with the engine off? I back my 16v down a hill and turn around before starting the engine usually, it's kind of heavy, but not bad if it's rolling when I turn. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spoof of the week
Comrade. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: That would be funny if it weren't true! The question is, do we call the president Comrade Bush or Franklin Delano Bush? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spoof of the week
OK Don wrote: Comrade. Good point. FDR would have wanted to create jobs by spending $800 billion building windmills and solar generating plants. And that would be 100 times better use for the money than what we just did with it yesterday. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spoof of the week
Exactly. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: Comrade. Good point. FDR would have wanted to create jobs by spending $800 billion building windmills and solar generating plants. And that would be 100 times better use for the money than what we just did with it yesterday. Mitch. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Drool
That's what is known as a 50' paint job. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/866389163.html Don't tempt me! It's not fair that it's on the wrong coast! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spoof of the week
OK Don wrote: Exactly. But don't forget, Comrade Bush has over 300 co-conspirators, including Comrades Biden (D-CT), McClain(R-AZ), Obama(D-IL), Lenin (D-MI)... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty?
I recall that being the case but the HVAC worked fine without it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 21:24 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 fenders .. Rusty? Come to think of it, there was a second vacuum reservoir in the left fender near the hood on my 79 300TD. A PO had disconnected it and everything still worked fine so I never gave it a second thought until now. Is that the one that troubles you? That reservoir is for the HVAC system. It was insufficient to handle the locking system so a different one was added for that. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD
I have a can of Biobor algaecide that came with the car but the directions are quite complicated, not to mention hard to read, as they are printed in a twisted way around the can. Has anyone used this stuff? I currently have about 5 gallons in the tank (1983 300TD), or about 1/3 of a tank. Otherwise, I started it up today after a couple days rest and it ran very sluggishly for the first minute, then eased into normal operation (all flat roads). I ordered a tank strainer and install that after the Biobor treatment, if i can figure out how to do it. Incidentally, the inline fuel filter is sparkling clear - not a speck of crud in it. Another question - is it normal for there to be a release of air (or vacuum) when I remove the fuel filler cap? Thanks to all for your great ideas and input. Andrew On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: In the USA, every boat supply store sells it, but that's small consolation for those on the list who don't live in coastal states, I guess. I failed in marine stores in Michigan, had to get my Bosch injection shop to order some for me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Three cheers for an OKie................perhaps?
He was in the house way before that LarryT wrote: you asked where was the good senator when the good times where rolling? Did he stand up and warn about the dangers of If you're talking about Sen Coburn, he was elected to office in 2004 - so he was pretty new when the problems were starting - which he wrote about. As far as where he was when the good times rolled he was probably working. Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Three cheers for an OKieperhaps? Yes but where was the good senator when the good times where rolling? Did he stand up and warn about the dangers of uncontrolled lending? Did he say that whilst home ownership is a good thing it is not for everybody? Or is he using this to further his own political ambition? If he is then he is worse than the jokers who took their eyes off the ball in the first place. However this statement underlines why there is a bailout, collective guilt will be soothed with taxpayer money. The other side of the coin is what would happen if there is no bailout? Would there be big problems or are these problems perceived? The stock market is largely made up of smoke and mirrors, people get spooked and a stampede follows, even though there may not be any good reason to do so. At least with this we sort of know what the problem is and can predict the likely result. My thoughts are that the bailout should be a long term loan, the regulations should be tightened to ensure the idiots are weeded out and taxes should be raised on the rich (best along the lines of a higher luxury tax) to partly pay for all this stupidity. Far as I am concerned it should have been the share holders of the greedy lenders who should have said stop, as they have the brains. Hendrik dabbling in things he does not fully understand, bit like fixing a Merc Loren Faeth wrote: to Quote Dr. Tom Cobern, Senator from OK regarding the millionaire bailout bill : (or Billionaire bailout bill if you prefer) This bill does not represent a new and sudden departure from free market principles as much as it represents an emergency response to congressional actions that have ignored free market principles, and our Constitution, for decades. If anyone in Washington should offer their resignation it should be the members of Congress who peddled the fantasy of free home ownership without risk. No institution in our country is more responsible for the myth or borrowing without consequences than the United States Congress. As much as members of Congress want to find scapegoats, the root of this problem is political greed in Congress. Members of Congress from both parties wanted short-term political credit for promoting home ownership even though they were putting our entire economy at risk by encouraging people to buy homes they couldn't afford. Then, instead of conducting thorough oversight and correcting obvious problems with unstable entities like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, members of Congress chose to ignore the problem and distract themselves with unprecedented amounts of pork-barrel spending. Taxpayers who want to ensure that this doesn't happen again should send a very clear message to Washington that it's time for Congress to live within its means and restore the principles of limited government and free markets that made this country great. I will do everything in my power to ensure that this bill does not lead us down a slippery slope of European style socialism and slow economic growth. I will also promise taxpayers that I will do everything in my power to block what I expect will be hundreds of attempts by politicians in Washington to continue business-as-usual borrowing and spending in the next Congress. In a time of crisis, American families have to make hard choices between budget priorities. So should Congress. If politicians want to create new programs they should eliminate duplicative programs or reduce funding for less important programs. The only way we can put this crisis behind us is for Congress to rejoin the real world of budget choices and consequences which, as we have seen in recent days, can be ignored for only so long. This is one of the most coherent things I have seen coming out of the general vicinity of the District of Columbia. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see
Re: [MBZ] 190E gets 35mpg!
yea right Mitch Haley wrote: I might consider buying this, seems like Berryman wanted $1k jusr for the manny tranny and everything you'd need to install it in a 190 a couple of years ago. http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/865279573.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 10/4/2008 11:35 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Drool
That would be pronounced bevvuhlee or bevvlee. It's right next to peebuhddee. --R Jim Cathey wrote: http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/866389163.html I've been to Beverly! An ex girlfriend moved back there, I helped her drive cross-country. Her family owned a copy shop, I think her brother still runs it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
