Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Sorry about late response but mine is the non turbo 617.912 engine -no oil spray jets to cool pistons. I seemto recall that the oil pump thrust bearing that screws in at the top was quite worn when I overhauled the engine and was replaced with a new one. This thrust piece has a copper face that wears -perhaps this is the source of the copper? I think I will have to remove the current it and see if its worn On 28/10/2008, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and if the tops are not kept cool, oil can burn on the rings and in the grooves. This will create a problem similar to what Peter described. As always, it is just something to check, and not a diagnosis At 05:37 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote: The oil spray nozzles are used for cooling the piston tops. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Is it possible the piston oil spray nozzles were not cleaned and working during the previous rebuild? That might account for the rings being carboned up the first time, and again now. At 04:40 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote: Hi Peter -- You asked what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? IIRC you wrote that a 300 W123 was the problem (in your fleet ;-) and I believe - not 100% sure - the 300D Turbo had squirters under the pistons and the non turbo did not - I believe those squirters cool the piston crowns and provide some lubrication to the cylinders - otherwise it comes from splashing of the crank. The carbon on the rings certainly sound like a strong likelyhood. What kind of driving does this car see? Any long distance/high speed stuff? I do not believe it has anything to do with your rebuilding technique. I suspect you are right about the machine shop not having enough crosshatch to get good ring bedding. It's also extremely important to have a shop that is xperienced with MB - hopeflly yours was. When I rebuilt my 240D I replaced the sleeves and pistons/rings - I had to replace the pistons because several rings had broken and damaged the piston grooves/lands. But when honing for new rings it's not all that difficult to do - Let me ponder this some -but those carboned rings really sound like the problem - but I wonder what caused it the 1st time? Any idea? Later -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Larry , compression is down - around 18 bar all round and starting has become more slightly more difficult. It did not achieve full 24 bar when newly overhauled and I can only ascribe this to not optimal machining. honing by engineering shop - perhaps this is the cause of the malay?? Oil pressure is 2 bar at idle hot and it pegs at 3 immediately. Was thinking - what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? What is also unusual is that when I overhauled the engine all the rings where carboned up onto the piston on all 5 pistons. I suspect the same might be happening again. I was not however my driveing that contributed to this as I had just bought the car when I overahuauled it. My other Om617's show now sighn of similar problems - I also overhauled my 300GD ( a crack in head that had been repaired by previous owner was starting to leak ) and thats going well. Oil consumption is still low ( arround 0.2 l/ 1000 km ) PEter 2008/10/27 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 )
Re: [MBZ] Urea and the posers
Who cares about Porsche drivers anyway, let them sit on the side on the road with their silicone bagged blonde bimbo. Hendrik who will not be buying a car without a spare tire, so he will be able to perform the manly art of changing a flat PS In a recent study it was revealed that women prefer men who drive utes as opposed to sportscars, well Aussie chicks do anyway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the no-spare idea is not going to go over too well so something will have to be done. A car more important than the humble Cobalt is the Porsche 997-2 Turbo which not only has no spare but has nowhere to stow a flat tire. The wheels are too large to fit inside the car or the trunk. Perhaps if the right front seat were removed and left along the roadside with your wife to guard it while you drove off on three wheels to find a tire shop. Who BTW wouldn't be able to deal with those big wheels and tires, anyway. A friend damaged a tire sidewall on his '08 Boxster S while vacationing on the Oregon coast last summer so of course the fix-a-flat can couldn't help. He called the Portland Porsche dealer who sent a flatbed to haul the car to Portland for a new tire. They paid for the tow but not the tire. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - home hot and cold water filters
Glad to get this information. I am interested in some sort of water filtration system. Our water smells and tastes like some sort of algae much of the year. I normally reuse gallon water jugs and take them to the store and use their reverse osmosis machine, then lug the four gallons up the hills on my bike to our house. Good workout. But when I dont have time, I fall back on the Brita pitcher. However, their paperwork only claims to remove taste and odor. Doesnt seem to claim to actually remove anything. Brian On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don, A software client of mine is a major water filter distributor. I suggest you check with them before buying any water filters. They all sell the same stuff and Mark Powers has been in the business for many years. I wrote this article for them posted it on their web site, which is also my design. http://markpowers-and-company.com/WaterFilterQA.htm Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT - home hot and cold water filters I'm about to replace a lot of plumbing in the house (tub/shower faucet, hot water tank, kitchen sink/faucet, etc.) and am thinking that filtering all the water, rather than just the little drinking water faucet would be a good thing. I don't see much about filtering the hot water, other than for sediment/grit, or hot water protector filters. I'm not sure this is a good thing - though it might be better than nothing? It sequesters the hardness ions thus inhibiting them from precipitating out of the water to create scale. Scale can decrease your hot water efficiency by 30 - 40%. Also the siliphos reacts with the hardness carbonate to secrete a thin glass-like coating on the interior metal surfaces thus protecting from corrosion. http://www.kleenwater.com/cuno-aquapure-ap430ss-hot-water-protector-p-69.htm l Then there's the Rio-Vita Chlorine Shower Water Filter that is effective in removing chlorine and other harmful contaminants by employing oxidation / reduction (redox) technology *. Be assured that this media will remove contaminants that harm / dry skin and hair and also can be unhealthy as a result of inhalation or trans-dermal absorption. http://www.kleenwater.com/riovita-chlorine-shower-water-filter-p-91.html I'm leaning towards a stainless canister with one of these filter elements - http://www.kleenwater.com/good-25-x-10-inch-matrikx-carbon-block-cartridges- p-71.htmlhttp://www.kleenwater.com/good-25-x-10-inch-matrikx-carbon-block-cartridges-p-71.html Anyone BTDT? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1755 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 5:27 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1755 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 5:27 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Our 190D 5 cyl Auto gets 40 mpg
My wife informed me tonight that, before the stupid odometer quit, she got a couple of awesome MPG readings. The thing has been known to get around 32 to 34 mpg. But Im looking at two receipts right at 40 mpg. This in a car that, I think, needs a fuel filter change. And this before I switched to Mobil 1. Sorry Mobil lovers, I dont have post Mobil 1 data due to stupid Mercedes odometer. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)
Looks like it will be quite a nice home on the roam. Have fun getting it fixed up - and using it, of course. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!) I forgot who listed this but THANK YOU. I owe you a beer or three. http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/1.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/2.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/3.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/4.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/5.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/6.jpg Here is the company that did the customization : http://rvdieselmotorhomes.com/ Exciting stuff. Now I just have to get it home and titled. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] holy sweet mother of god
You can't have it Kleb. That is Lt Don's personal pimpmobile! At 06:58 PM 10/30/2008, you wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-190-Series-1989-Mercedes-Benz-190-Series-190E_W0QQitemZ150306837157QQihZ005QQcategoryZ6328QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Urea and the posers
Do I have to buy a Porch before I am able to do that? --R Hendrik Fay wrote: Who cares about Porsche drivers anyway, let them sit on the side on the road with their silicone bagged blonde bimbo. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars?
It is really a bit more complicated than that. The system of malignant stupid policy decisions and favoring the folks in power [foreign or native] did not arise out of the culture all by itself. The shorthand version is that the colonial system stayed in place for the most part and the folks at the top [colonial powers with some experience in national affairs and international relations while raping the country] were replaced with locals who had worked for them and who kept most of the structure, but had none of the international or even national experience while they were raping the country. It is a mess now and can be blamed on them if you want, but the situation did not arise all by itself. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? Yeah, in Zimbabwean money. Check out their rate of inflation lately. Our problems pale compared to theirs And that's what they get for kicking out the colonials and taking back the land. Lots of good it did them. Dan (who used to do business in Harare) --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 8:23 PM Here's a pic of 100 Billion dollars, and what you can buy with it: http://humorland.wordmess.net/files/2008/10/zw018.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] does this sound like a scam?
If not that is some kind of weird! Douglas - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:07 AM Subject: [MBZ] does this sound like a scam? Hello Kaleb, Thank you so much for your mail. I glad the vehicle is in good shape. is just what i have been looking for.I'll take the vehicle for the firm price which really okay by me.Please,send your full name/address and telephone number so that payment can be arranged and sent to you Can you make yourself available for the shipping company then they come for pickup? as soon as i get your info i will mail out payment via USPS, this week am very serious in buying from you,cos am ready and willing. I will send payment soonest. I await your response soonest Davis Walter -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NO MB - OT - Country of Origin - Product Bar Coding -
I probably sounded harsh in my judgment. He has actually been even handed for the past year in terms of his poitical judgments. On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:39 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True - but he was quoting from someone elses book this time --- On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:26 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George Will is a world class bloviator. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Urea
how much was the tire? On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Wouldn't a catheter in the driver take up less space, then you'd have room for a spare tire?.. The peeing-in-the-fuel-tank joke has been pretty well exhausted by now, two years on. You could sell it to the people who like to stick contact lenses in their eyes. I have no idea what you are on about here. ..I notice that the spare is optional on the 2008 and 2009 Chevy Cobalt, but every car in stock at my all of my local dealers has the $75 optional tire and wheel. Standard equipment is a can of Fix-A-Flat type stuff... I think the no-spare idea is not going to go over too well so something will have to be done. A car more important than the humble Cobalt is the Porsche 997-2 Turbo which not only has no spare but has nowhere to stow a flat tire. The wheels are too large to fit inside the car or the trunk. Perhaps if the right front seat were removed and left along the roadside with your wife to guard it while you drove off on three wheels to find a tire shop. Who BTW wouldn't be able to deal with those big wheels and tires, anyway. A friend damaged a tire sidewall on his '08 Boxster S while vacationing on the Oregon coast last summer so of course the fix-a-flat can couldn't help. He called the Portland Porsche dealer who sent a flatbed to haul the car to Portland for a new tire. They paid for the tow but not the tire. RLE ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! ( http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001 ) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Urea
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no idea what you are on about here. If people can get used to shoving contacts in their own eyes so they can see, they can get used to shoving a catheter up their (censored) so they can drive a Bluetec. I think the no-spare idea is not going to go over too well so something will have to be done. I think with Chevy it's a gimmick. A Cobalt weighs about 400lb more than a Cavalier did. They can reduce that by about 35lb for the EPA mileage tests if they make the spare tire optional, and then equip every car with the optional tire after the EPA does their thing. Maybe they should make the carpet and sound damping materials optional too. And now that I think about it, they kind of shot themselves in the foot by making 50-70lb of air conditioning standard, didn't they? Especially now that the EPA runs some testing with the A/C turned on for cars that have A/C. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NO MB - OT - Country of Origin - Product Bar Coding -
andrew strasfogel wrote: I probably sounded harsh in my judgment. He has actually been even handed for the past year in terms of his poitical judgments. Since bloviation is his career, I thought you were saying George Will is good at his job when you called him a world class bloviator. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 300CD running on and on and on...
Well, the dealership diagnosed that a leaky vacuum servo for the shutoff under the dash near ignition switch. They need to remove the cluster to get at it. Has anyone ever heard of this? Car is a W123 1983 300CD turbodiesel. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Yep, but it should allow the engine shutoff to work. Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 300CD running on and on and on... I assume that will disable the cetnral locking system - correct? On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:09 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can a leaky trunklock vacuum element cause a 1985 300CD to run on and on? Plug the feed to the yellow line under the hood. That's the lock system. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I stand corrected -- THIS is a beautiful car
The car has no sunroof or PW. As there is no photo of the wood dash, one has to assume the wood is shot, so this could be a very expensive restoration, and in the end the car has a limited appeal. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The trunk looks pretty clean for the age and type. There is rust that appears to be mostly surface rust in the right wheelwell, and that should be taken care of. (And looked at closely before purchase) As for the guts hanging out under the dash it is missing the cardboard liner. Pontons had cardboard heater boxes that disintegrated. the 110,111,112 had cardboard under dash liners. almost all are gone or in very bad shape after 40 years. If you want plastic panels under the dash, stick with 123 and newer. I didn't see anything under the dash that looks out of place. There are added speaker wires, but that is not unusual. At 06:25 PM 10/28/2008, you wrote: I think I could overlook those issues if the price was right. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I stand corrected -- THIS is a beautiful car A lot of rust in the trunk, and the engine compartment has not been kept up like the exterior finish. What's with all the guts hanging out under the dash? Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://tiny.cc/UBklM Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - home hot and cold water filters
harry watkins wrote: Don, I can't help with the filter but I highly recommend a hot water re-circulator as part of your re-do. Sure is convenient and saves a lot of water. In my case it's a waste of electricity in order to save several seconds of my time several times a day. The water comes out of the ground, goes through the septic system and back into the ground, so there's no wasted water. Providing hot water heating to everyplace that the pipes go between the water heater and the faucet is a waste of the electricity that I buy to heat the water with. A minor waste in the winter because it offsets propane heating, but a total waste the other 7-8 months of the year. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WTB: Instrument cluster
Jim, Any interest? I need to at least partially repay you for all the great advice you've dispensed over the years. On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:57 AM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Jim, If no one has a decent one, I have a combination (3 way) gauge that needs to be resoldered. I also have the instrument housing. It's slightly separated from the glass, but this could possibly be reglued. Both pieces could be yours for today's SPECIAL price of gratis, plus my shipping cost. Andre 1983 300TD 320 K miles On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I am searching for a decent set of instruments for my 84 300Dt instrument cluster. So what's wrong with the ones you (presumably) have? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NO MB - OT - Country of Origin - Product Bar Coding -
I gues each of us is world class in some specialtized field or endeavor. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: I probably sounded harsh in my judgment. He has actually been even handed for the past year in terms of his poitical judgments. Since bloviation is his career, I thought you were saying George Will is good at his job when you called him a world class bloviator. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars?
What was the place like before the colonial powers took over? --R Bill R wrote: It is really a bit more complicated than that. The system of malignant stupid policy decisions and favoring the folks in power [foreign or native] did not arise out of the culture all by itself. The shorthand version is that the colonial system stayed in place for the most part and the folks at the top [colonial powers with some experience in national affairs and international relations while raping the country] were replaced with locals who had worked for them and who kept most of the structure, but had none of the international or even national experience while they were raping the country. It is a mess now and can be blamed on them if you want, but the situation did not arise all by itself. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? Yeah, in Zimbabwean money. Check out their rate of inflation lately. Our problems pale compared to theirs And that's what they get for kicking out the colonials and taking back the land. Lots of good it did them. Dan (who used to do business in Harare) --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 8:23 PM Here's a pic of 100 Billion dollars, and what you can buy with it: http://humorland.wordmess.net/files/2008/10/zw018.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Help! I am looking for a shadetree in NOLA/Biloxi
Rolf wrote: Need some tires kicked, compression measured, and an attempt to kick start a vehicle. Filters, fluids and fresh fuel kind of thing. Will pay $. Otherwise I am also looking for a reputable diesel benz mechanic in the area. My parents live in Biloxi, I will see if they know anyone. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 300CD running on and on and on...
andrew strasfogel wrote: Well, the dealership diagnosed that a leaky vacuum servo for the shutoff under the dash near ignition switch. AFAIK, there's a vacuum switch (aka valve) on the back of the ignition switch, and hard plastic vacuum lines running to it from under the hood. I suppose if you knew which line was the vacuum feed to the shutoff system you could hook up a Mity-Vac and see if it leaks. If the dealer mechanic has been looking at it, he probably already did that. Seems like the vac servo/solenoid/actuator on the back of the IP fails more often than the valve/switch on the steering column. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Urea and the posers
No any sports car bought just for driving around in, as opposed to actually being used to go racing in, will suffice. Of course you'll need the hairpiece, fake tan and a nip and tuck here and there to complete the look. Hendrik who likes comfortable and practical vehicular transportation Rich Thomas wrote: Do I have to buy a Porch before I am able to do that? --R Hendrik Fay wrote: Who cares about Porsche drivers anyway, let them sit on the side on the road with their silicone bagged blonde bimbo. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I dont know why but I think this looks nice
Kaleb provided the following link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-1983-Mercedes-Benz-240D-Low-Miles-Nice_W0QQitemZ260308281616QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6315QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem It does look nice. I am not really a fan of turd brown. But, it does look like it is in great shape. In the older cars, I actually like the hubcaps. I think they look retro. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 300CD running on and on and on...
Do you mean the vacuum control valve, 123 070 0046? That part is NLA! On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Well, the dealership diagnosed that a leaky vacuum servo for the shutoff under the dash near ignition switch. AFAIK, there's a vacuum switch (aka valve) on the back of the ignition switch, and hard plastic vacuum lines running to it from under the hood. I suppose if you knew which line was the vacuum feed to the shutoff system you could hook up a Mity-Vac and see if it leaks. If the dealer mechanic has been looking at it, he probably already did that. Seems like the vac servo/solenoid/actuator on the back of the IP fails more often than the valve/switch on the steering column. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I dont know why but I think this looks nice
Is anyone parting out a 240D with a mechanical sunroof? Kaleb?? On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb provided the following link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-1983-Mercedes-Benz-240D-Low-Miles-Nice_W0QQitemZ260308281616QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6315QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem It does look nice. I am not really a fan of turd brown. But, it does look like it is in great shape. In the older cars, I actually like the hubcaps. I think they look retro. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Barcodes
I started checking some barcodes and where the product said it was manufactured and the chart was not correct, so I did some checking Bottom Line: First 3 digits of a Barcode represent the COUNTRY OF ORIGIN where the barcode was ASSIGNED, not where the item was MANUFACTURED. See: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/barcodes.asp Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532); 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] GM + Chrysler ?
Could we finally have THE ultimate truck? Chevy body, Allison trans, and Cumins engine? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27125864/ -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM + Chrysler ?
Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Could we finally have THE ultimate truck? Chevy body, Allison trans, and Cumins engine? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27125864/ That merger is akin to combining the Titanic and the Lusitania and thinking that together they will stay afloat. I think that in 5 years the only US automaker still operating will be Ford, unless there's more bailout activity on the part of the government. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Urea and the posers
I guess I need a gold chain and a pinky ring with diamonds too? And those gradient lens sunglasses? --R Hendrik Fay wrote: No any sports car bought just for driving around in, as opposed to actually being used to go racing in, will suffice. Of course you'll need the hairpiece, fake tan and a nip and tuck here and there to complete the look. Hendrik who likes comfortable and practical vehicular transportation Rich Thomas wrote: Do I have to buy a Porch before I am able to do that? --R Hendrik Fay wrote: Who cares about Porsche drivers anyway, let them sit on the side on the road with their silicone bagged blonde bimbo. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 300CD running on and on and on...
andrew strasfogel wrote: Do you mean the vacuum control valve, 123 070 0046? That part is NLA! I believe the official name for the valve that controls the vacuum applied to the transmission modulator (controlling shift harshness/slippage) is vacuum control valve. Not sure what the shutoff valve on the ignition switch is called. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a turbo 617?
Dunno. I've been 50/50 on it for quite some time. I feel bad letting it sit around to slowly decay, but on the other hand I still really like the car. Everything is for sale for the right price though ;) John Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: you still trying to sell that SD? John Robbins wrote: $300, Starkville, MS Bought it for my SD, but I'm not going to have time to install it for two or three years so I want it gone... I've never heard the engine run, but it was bought off someone on MB Shop so I'm pretty confident that it is a good running engine. It does not come with turbo or accessories. Does have IP. It's been on the side of the house for a year... everything but the turbo mounting port on the exhaust manifold is covered. I imagine that isn't good for the engine, but don't know how bad. Comes with a W123 transmission. Transmission moved the car before... I know nothing else. $75 for a used once $150 harbor freight engine lift. It is the foldable kind. $20 for load balancer + proper non-HF chains. I will deliver/meet for cost of gas and a meal anywhere within approx. six hours of Starkville. Farther can be arranged. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1756 - Release Date: 10/30/2008 7:59 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM + Chrysler ?
Isn't Chrysler now owned by an investment company of some sort, bought DB's shares? And isn't GM working our esteemed elected representatives very hard to get a few billion in loans to buy out the buyouters? (This after $25B--$50B to help them build electric cars?) And the next move is probably to declare bankruptcy to offload all the UAW commitments to the taxpayer to make the combined company more competitive cost-wise? So we can all pay our fair share to help out the auto companies, the buy-out company, the UAW workers (full health care, full pensions), and assorted hangers-on? Change we can Hope for! --R Allan Streib wrote: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Could we finally have THE ultimate truck? Chevy body, Allison trans, and Cumins engine? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27125864/ That merger is akin to combining the Titanic and the Lusitania and thinking that together they will stay afloat. I think that in 5 years the only US automaker still operating will be Ford, unless there's more bailout activity on the part of the government. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 300CD running on and on and on...
Well, the dealership diagnosed that a leaky vacuum servo for the shutoff under the dash near ignition switch. They need to remove the cluster to get at it. Has anyone ever heard of this? The _switch_ is behind there. They can go bad, especially if they've gotten filled with oil. Perhaps the dealership's standard repair is to flush out the lines and possibly replace the vacuum switch whenever replacing the shutoff actuator. (Since the latter can leak oil into the vacuum system.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WTB: Instrument cluster
Any interest? I need to at least partially repay you for all the great advice you've dispensed over the years. That was not me looking for it! I was just wondering why whomever needed another one. (Since they _can_ be fixed.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WTB: Instrument cluster
OK, that clears things up. I can donate this to the other party. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any interest? I need to at least partially repay you for all the great advice you've dispensed over the years. That was not me looking for it! I was just wondering why whomever needed another one. (Since they _can_ be fixed.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 300CD running on and on and on...
The switch often fails if oil gets into the line from a bad shutoff valve. We had to replace the one on my brother's 76 W115, so it's not unheard of. Easy fix, just pop out the cluster, unscrew the switch, install new one, re-install cluster. Maybe an hour's labor. Peter On Oct 31, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Well, the dealership diagnosed that a leaky vacuum servo for the shutoff under the dash near ignition switch. AFAIK, there's a vacuum switch (aka valve) on the back of the ignition switch, and hard plastic vacuum lines running to it from under the hood. I suppose if you knew which line was the vacuum feed to the shutoff system you could hook up a Mity-Vac and see if it leaks. If the dealer mechanic has been looking at it, he probably already did that. Seems like the vac servo/solenoid/ actuator on the back of the IP fails more often than the valve/ switch on the steering column. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a slight correction
I noticed, but I wasn't going to say anything. ;-)) Wilton - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] a slight correction ...After pulling the access cover off the back of the light assembly, locate the brown wire coming out of the plug and test for continuity from it to a known good chassis ground. If it tests open (zero resistance) try to follow it to the ground stud nearby where it is most likely connected and corroded... I should have written infinite resistance, not zero. RLE ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=htt p://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Urea and the posers
Speaking of which, I got a flat on one of my new Conti's/AMG Monoblock Aero II 18's the other day... go to change the tire and the spare in the trunk is from a W124. I should have known when I first bought the car and saw that the spare tire size was different. Tarek PS For Sale (1) 5 hole Mercedes Alloy with new 225/60 R16 Michelin tire. Part number 124 400 something. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hendrik Fay Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Urea and the posers Who cares about Porsche drivers anyway, let them sit on the side on the road with their silicone bagged blonde bimbo. Hendrik who will not be buying a car without a spare tire, so he will be able to perform the manly art of changing a flat PS In a recent study it was revealed that women prefer men who drive utes as opposed to sportscars, well Aussie chicks do anyway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the no-spare idea is not going to go over too well so something will have to be done. A car more important than the humble Cobalt is the Porsche 997-2 Turbo which not only has no spare but has nowhere to stow a flat tire. The wheels are too large to fit inside the car or the trunk. Perhaps if the right front seat were removed and left along the roadside with your wife to guard it while you drove off on three wheels to find a tire shop. Who BTW wouldn't be able to deal with those big wheels and tires, anyway. A friend damaged a tire sidewall on his '08 Boxster S while vacationing on the Oregon coast last summer so of course the fix-a-flat can couldn't help. He called the Portland Porsche dealer who sent a flatbed to haul the car to Portland for a new tire. They paid for the tow but not the tire. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars?
Funny thing about Zimbabwe is that their a few months ago, inflation hit 2200%. It cost about $300B just to buy a loaf of bread. The government decided to knock all the zeros off the money, allowing people to use coins again. Now, a month later, its back into the millions. Tarek -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? It is really a bit more complicated than that. The system of malignant stupid policy decisions and favoring the folks in power [foreign or native] did not arise out of the culture all by itself. The shorthand version is that the colonial system stayed in place for the most part and the folks at the top [colonial powers with some experience in national affairs and international relations while raping the country] were replaced with locals who had worked for them and who kept most of the structure, but had none of the international or even national experience while they were raping the country. It is a mess now and can be blamed on them if you want, but the situation did not arise all by itself. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? Yeah, in Zimbabwean money. Check out their rate of inflation lately. Our problems pale compared to theirs And that's what they get for kicking out the colonials and taking back the land. Lots of good it did them. Dan (who used to do business in Harare) --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 8:23 PM Here's a pic of 100 Billion dollars, and what you can buy with it: http://humorland.wordmess.net/files/2008/10/zw018.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? Colonialism and such, still OT
Rich, I am far from an expert in the situation of pre-colonial Africa, and the 'nations' were divided up in a conference room [in London IIRC] without any consideration of topography or community relationships, but basically the situation in any area [don't think of 'nations' in pre-colonial times] was that if people could grow or find food they lived there, and when they could not get enough food they moved and found or fought for a new place to live where they could get food [you do like run-on sentences I hope]. Hunger was not as big a problem because there was no one forcing them to grow crops they could not eat so $$ could be earned by export. The taxes imposed by colonial rule were more to force people to become part of the system than to generate direct revenue, and people who could continue their traditional way of life had no need of money except to pay the taxes. A Kenyan friend who owns some land outside of Nairobi told me that if he were ever to plant an export crop [coffee and cocoa are the main ones there, I think] on his land he was legally bound to never grow anything but that, even if he were starving. The infrastructure was created to bring natural and agricultural resources to the ports for export [look at the rail system of colonial India and Haiti also], and the enforcement of export production left a lot of people without the means to support themselves - thus having to purchase food that they once could grow for themselves. Ghana is another interesting story [one of my professors was a tribal chieftain from there, with a PhD from NYU]. HUGE natural resources, but they were not of interest to the native peoples, and in many ways [almost every way] have turned out to be a detriment to the population. Colonial powers abused the population [to 'civilize' them, of course] and extract gems that were valued elsewhere. Is there some God-given right to do anything to native peoples so that foreign desires can be satisfied? That is the $.25 answer, and leaves out probably 75% of the full story. Much of the same story can be told of our taking of land and resources from native American tribes [who did the same thing to other native American tribes, who had done it to others] to create the United States. I suppose the underlying question is always can we stop the process when we get what we want, or should we expect others to take over from us. We were the Taliban to native Americans, I guess. Do also realize that it is not just Africa that is affected with this sort of thing. Great quantities of the best agricultural land in Central America and the islands is owned by huge trans-nationals [I only use the term 'multinational' when I forget how misleading it is], and areas that once fed local populations can sit idle for years if the price for bananas [or other export crops] means the folks in the board room won't make enough profit planting. If you have another several pages of listening available you can investigate the role of the church in colonialism. Rather an interesting story there also, and does not exactly square with Christian values. Down from soapbox, but you sort of asked for it. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? What was the place like before the colonial powers took over? --R Bill R wrote: It is really a bit more complicated than that. The system of malignant stupid policy decisions and favoring the folks in power [foreign or native] did not arise out of the culture all by itself. The shorthand version is that the colonial system stayed in place for the most part and the folks at the top [colonial powers with some experience in national affairs and international relations while raping the country] were replaced with locals who had worked for them and who kept most of the structure, but had none of the international or even national experience while they were raping the country. It is a mess now and can be blamed on them if you want, but the situation did not arise all by itself. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? Yeah, in Zimbabwean money. Check out their rate of inflation lately. Our problems pale compared to theirs And that's what they get for kicking out the colonials and taking back the land. Lots of good it did them. Dan (who used to do business in Harare) --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 8:23 PM Here's a pic of 100
[MBZ] Intermittent Temp Gauge
The Temp gauge on my 1990 350SDL sometimes jumps from it's normal 85C to being pegged past 120C. No a slow ramp-up, like the temp is actually rising, but an a instaneous jump. 1'st time it scared the crap out of me and shut her down quickly and checkednot hot all and plenty of AF. Just as fast as it jumped past 120C, it returned to 85Cafter going over a small bump in the road. Now, I can almost make it jump on command by giving the dash a short wrap with my knuckles. My thought was a loose connection, but I've been told that the gauges sometimes go bad...That true? Noware the instrument clusters (Temp, Oil Pressure, Gas Gauge) on the 350SDL's the same as the older 300SD/SDL's? I can get my hands on one of them cheaply, or do I need to find one specifically for the 350? Dealer prices are a joke.(If we did not know that already) Thanks.. Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532); 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533 1990 350SDL w/ 271Kand still ticking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - home hot and cold water filters
My Dad had a recirculation system in his dentist office - he needed it there. Our house is so small, that all the water is on both sides of one wall - about 8 feet long. It takes no more than a minute to get hot water to the farthest faucet. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: harry watkins wrote: Don, I can't help with the filter but I highly recommend a hot water re-circulator as part of your re-do. Sure is convenient and saves a lot of water. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - home hot and cold water filters
We have the hot water temp set to be just right for making bread (we make all our own bread) - straight hot water is all we need for the yeast. I'd like to get the hot water coming out of the kitchen faucet filtered, mostly for taste. This is where I'm struggling to find the right combination of parts and pieces. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Want....
0.83 or 5 or so. Wide gear means 1 I take it. I can't wait to get my 5 speed rebuilt. -Rolf Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure what wide ratio means? The gearing on all the 5 speeds is fairly similar. I don't know about pre-80s M-B manual transmissions, but I thought 5th gear on the Getrag in the 2.3-16 was 1:1 (Mitch?), whereas in the stick 190E, 300E, and R129 300SL, as in most manual cars, it was a true overdrive. If the fabled 123 chassis 5-speed also used the latter trans, maybe that's the distinction the seller is trying to make. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)
Getting it home is certainly the biggest obstacle. I'll feel better when I have the title in hand and it one all 4 wheels (2 rear are missing :( ). Needs a front seat to, wonder if a lazyboy will fit :) -Rolf Bill R wrote: Looks like it will be quite a nice home on the roam. Have fun getting it fixed up - and using it, of course. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!) I forgot who listed this but THANK YOU. I owe you a beer or three. http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/1.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/2.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/3.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/4.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/5.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/6.jpg Here is the company that did the customization : http://rvdieselmotorhomes.com/ Exciting stuff. Now I just have to get it home and titled. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Intermittent Temp Gauge
Most likely a loose ground connection from the gauge cluster to the body - don't look for anew gauge yet - look for lose wires. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:23 AM, ANGELO GIAIMO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Temp gauge on my 1990 350SDL sometimes jumps from it's normal 85C to being pegged past 120C. No a slow ramp-up, like the temp is actually rising, but an a instaneous jump. 1'st time it scared the crap out of me and shut her down quickly and checkednot hot all and plenty of AF. Just as fast as it jumped past 120C, it returned to 85Cafter going over a small bump in the road. Now, I can almost make it jump on command by giving the dash a short wrap with my knuckles. My thought was a loose connection, but I've been told that the gauges sometimes go bad...That true? Noware the instrument clusters (Temp, Oil Pressure, Gas Gauge) on the 350SDL's the same as the older 300SD/SDL's? I can get my hands on one of them cheaply, or do I need to find one specifically for the 350? Dealer prices are a joke.(If we did not know that already) Thanks.. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)
You could probably fit a Lazy Boy in there, though it might not meet code. I don't think you would have to worry about it sliding backwards with the super acceleration I sure I will have ;-) , but forward could be a problem. Maybe you could use the footrest as sort of a swing up emergency stop so you won't hit the steering wheel in case someone pulls out in front of you. I'm sure the experience of getting it from when sits to road worthy will amply challenge your resourcefulness [and probably your bank account, but we won't talk about that]. Wish it could be me. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!) Getting it home is certainly the biggest obstacle. I'll feel better when I have the title in hand and it one all 4 wheels (2 rear are missing :( ). Needs a front seat to, wonder if a lazyboy will fit :) -Rolf Bill R wrote: Looks like it will be quite a nice home on the roam. Have fun getting it fixed up - and using it, of course. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!) I forgot who listed this but THANK YOU. I owe you a beer or three. http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/1.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/2.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/3.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/4.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/5.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/6.jpg Here is the company that did the customization : http://rvdieselmotorhomes.com/ Exciting stuff. Now I just have to get it home and titled. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Intermittent Temp Gauge
Angelo, I had a similar experience shortly after I bought my 92 500E in '06. Turned out to be a loose connection at the back of the temp gauge in the instrument cluster. Tightened the connection, no more problem. If you have one of those laser temp gauges, when the gauge reads 120, point it at various hoses, etc., in the engine compartment to verify or discount what the guage says. HTH, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 31, 2008, at 8:23 AM, ANGELO GIAIMO wrote: The Temp gauge on my 1990 350SDL sometimes jumps from it's normal 85C to being pegged past 120C. No a slow ramp-up, like the temp is actually rising, but an a instaneous jump. 1'st time it scared the crap out of me and shut her down quickly and checkednot hot all and plenty of AF. Just as fast as it jumped past 120C, it returned to 85Cafter going over a small bump in the road. Now, I can almost make it jump on command by giving the dash a short wrap with my knuckles. My thought was a loose connection, but I've been told that the gauges sometimes go bad...That true? Noware the instrument clusters (Temp, Oil Pressure, Gas Gauge) on the 350SDL's the same as the older 300SD/SDL's? I can get my hands on one of them cheaply, or do I need to find one specifically for the 350? Dealer prices are a joke.(If we did not know that already) Thanks.. Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532); 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533 1990 350SDL w/ 271Kand still ticking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM + Chrysler ?
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't Chrysler now owned by an investment company of some sort, bought DB's shares? Yes, Cerberus Holdings. This merger idea makes no sense to me. Cerberus being private, they aren't hamstrung by the tyranny of quarterly earnings reports. They can take all the time in the world to restructure Chrysler's product line and operations and make the company profitable. Or they could sell off the profitable lines (regardless of what they actually build, Jeep has practically unlimited intangible value as a brand) and dump the rest at a loss. Personally, if I were in charge there, I'd give up on full-size trucks, but hold on to Jeep as my cash cow; for midsize cars, evolve the current offerings and stay pallsy with Daimler-Benz so as to keep sourcing goodies like the sweet transmission and rear suspension in the Charger/300; work on bringing the minivans up to snuff compared to the Japanese competition; and plow any free cash into a crash development program for a small high-MPG car tailored to American tastes, to trump the new Focus and the Cobalt (or whatever the next underwhelming GM compact is going to be called). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)
Motorroam has been doing bus conversions for years, and has a great reputation. I friend of mine who owned the first MB truck in the Iowa, and possibly in the USA Bout a MB bus and had it converted by those folks twenty some years ago. He had a matching trailer to pull us 300SDL in. He later switched to VOlvo busses, but the conversions were always done in IL. At 09:44 PM 10/30/2008, you wrote: I forgot who listed this but THANK YOU. I owe you a beer or three. http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/1.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/2.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/3.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/4.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/5.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/6.jpg Here is the company that did the customization : http://rvdieselmotorhomes.com/ Exciting stuff. Now I just have to get it home and titled. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap motor home
Rolf wrote: Oh ah. Chances are I wont see it till it gets here. Would you get it shipped or come and pick it up? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)
NICE! Keep us up to date on the referbishment, I'm very interested to see more about it. -Curt Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:44:12 -0400 From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For    kaleb   prices!) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I forgot who listed this but THANK YOU. I owe you a beer or three. http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/1.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/2.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/3.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/4.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/5.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/6.jpg Here is the company that did the customization : http://rvdieselmotorhomes.com/ Exciting stuff. Now I just have to get it home and titled. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot who listed this but THANK YOU. I owe you a beer or three. http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/1.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/2.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/3.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/4.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/5.jpg Why are all RVs, no matter what chassis they're based on or who converts them, always an ugly shade of off-white or beige? Rolf, when you fix this old girl up, PLEASE give her a nice paint job! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap motor home
Pick up. Shipping == John Robbins wrote: Rolf wrote: Oh ah. Chances are I wont see it till it gets here. Would you get it shipped or come and pick it up? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)
Ya I was pretty stoaked about it being family owned and still in business. Il Will def be one of the trips If I can figure out how to get it to 65mph :) -Rolf Loren Faeth wrote: Motorroam has been doing bus conversions for years, and has a great reputation. I friend of mine who owned the first MB truck in the Iowa, and possibly in the USA Bout a MB bus and had it converted by those folks twenty some years ago. He had a matching trailer to pull us 300SDL in. He later switched to VOlvo busses, but the conversions were always done in IL. At 09:44 PM 10/30/2008, you wrote: I forgot who listed this but THANK YOU. I owe you a beer or three. http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/1.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/2.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/3.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/4.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/5.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/6.jpg Here is the company that did the customization : http://rvdieselmotorhomes.com/ Exciting stuff. Now I just have to get it home and titled. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Why are all RVs, no matter what chassis they're based on or who converts them, always an ugly shade of off-white or beige? I've seen blue MBZ RVs before. Not to mention orange Westies on VW and MBZ platforms. But you've got a point, the last ten years everything has been in earthtone swirls, and before that, there were a lot of white RVs. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)
Rolf wrote: Ya I was pretty stoaked about it being family owned and still in business. Il Will def be one of the trips If I can figure out how to get it to 65mph :) OM606 and an intercooler. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - home hot and cold water filters
I'm a firm believer that most US water systems provide safe if not always tasty water. We used a Britta for a long time and it was fine. When we moved into the house I installed an under the sink dealy which has been great. Change the filter once a year and the water is wonderful. I can't remember the name but its all stainless steel and cost around $300. As long as filters continue to be available it should last forever. -Curt Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:48:24 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - home hot and cold water filters To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: Â Â Â [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Glad to get this information. I am interested in some sort of water filtration system. Our water smells and tastes like some sort of algae much of the year. I normally reuse gallon water jugs and take them to the store and use their reverse osmosis machine, then lug the four gallons up the hills on my bike to our house. Good workout. But when I dont have time, I fall back on the Brita pitcher. However, their paperwork only claims to remove taste and odor. Doesnt seem to claim to actually remove anything. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM + Chrysler ?
Bzzt nope. Ever have to buy a replacement allison trans? I think if DB had held onto Crypesler a little linger, we might have had an ultimate truck. With a MB engine and a nice trans or an option for a stupid Allison for those who want it. (not me!) We came within a few months of having the Ultimate van: Dog Gran Caravan with MB Bluetec Diesel engine That I would have gone for! At 08:50 AM 10/31/2008, you wrote: Could we finally have THE ultimate truck? Chevy body, Allison trans, and Cumins engine? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27125864/ -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 190D 5 cyl Auto gets 40 mpg
Uhhh, sure.. My 190D 2.2l 5spd manual averages about 38mpg over the last 70,000 miles. High was 43 I think... I'd think that maybe somebody topped up one tank and then filled just to the shutoff on the next or added a bottle of fuel additive or something. I could make a tank come out to 50mpg if I wanted to... -Curt Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:52:31 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Our 190D 5 cyl Auto gets 40 mpg To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: Â Â Â [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My wife informed me tonight that, before the stupid odometer quit, she got a couple of awesome MPG readings. The thing has been known to get around 32 to 34 mpg. But Im looking at two receipts right at 40 mpg. This in a car that, I think, needs a fuel filter change. And this before I switched to Mobil 1. Sorry Mobil lovers, I dont have post Mobil 1 data due to stupid Mercedes odometer. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? Colonialism and such, still OT
what are you advocating? Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? Colonialism and such,still OT Rich, I am far from an expert in the situation of pre-colonial Africa, and the 'nations' were divided up in a conference room [in London IIRC] without any consideration of topography or community relationships, but basically the situation in any area [don't think of 'nations' in pre-colonial times] was that if people could grow or find food they lived there, and when they could not get enough food they moved and found or fought for a new place to live where they could get food [you do like run-on sentences I hope]. Hunger was not as big a problem because there was no one forcing them to grow crops they could not eat so $$ could be earned by export. The taxes imposed by colonial rule were more to force people to become part of the system than to generate direct revenue, and people who could continue their traditional way of life had no need of money except to pay the taxes. A Kenyan friend who owns some land outside of Nairobi told me that if he were ever to plant an export crop [coffee and cocoa are the main ones there, I think] on his land he was legally bound to never grow anything but that, even if he were starving. The infrastructure was created to bring natural and agricultural resources to the ports for export [look at the rail system of colonial India and Haiti also], and the enforcement of export production left a lot of people without the means to support themselves - thus having to purchase food that they once could grow for themselves. Ghana is another interesting story [one of my professors was a tribal chieftain from there, with a PhD from NYU]. HUGE natural resources, but they were not of interest to the native peoples, and in many ways [almost every way] have turned out to be a detriment to the population. Colonial powers abused the population [to 'civilize' them, of course] and extract gems that were valued elsewhere. Is there some God-given right to do anything to native peoples so that foreign desires can be satisfied? That is the $.25 answer, and leaves out probably 75% of the full story. Much of the same story can be told of our taking of land and resources from native American tribes [who did the same thing to other native American tribes, who had done it to others] to create the United States. I suppose the underlying question is always can we stop the process when we get what we want, or should we expect others to take over from us. We were the Taliban to native Americans, I guess. Do also realize that it is not just Africa that is affected with this sort of thing. Great quantities of the best agricultural land in Central America and the islands is owned by huge trans-nationals [I only use the term 'multinational' when I forget how misleading it is], and areas that once fed local populations can sit idle for years if the price for bananas [or other export crops] means the folks in the board room won't make enough profit planting. If you have another several pages of listening available you can investigate the role of the church in colonialism. Rather an interesting story there also, and does not exactly square with Christian values. Down from soapbox, but you sort of asked for it. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? What was the place like before the colonial powers took over? --R Bill R wrote: It is really a bit more complicated than that. The system of malignant stupid policy decisions and favoring the folks in power [foreign or native] did not arise out of the culture all by itself. The shorthand version is that the colonial system stayed in place for the most part and the folks at the top [colonial powers with some experience in national affairs and international relations while raping the country] were replaced with locals who had worked for them and who kept most of the structure, but had none of the international or even national experience while they were raping the country. It is a mess now and can be blamed on them if you want, but the situation did not arise all by itself. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? Yeah, in Zimbabwean money. Check out their rate of inflation lately. Our problems pale compared to theirs And that's what they get for kicking out the
Re: [MBZ] GM + Chrysler ?
Here's more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_Management And Dan Quayle heads one of the international units and on October 19, 2006, John W. Snow, President George W. Bush's second United States Secretary of the Treasury, was named chairman of Cerberus. And I think that Cerberus owns part of GMAC. Just the messenger.. Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 31, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't Chrysler now owned by an investment company of some sort, bought DB's shares? Yes, Cerberus Holdings. This merger idea makes no sense to me. Cerberus being private, they aren't hamstrung by the tyranny of quarterly earnings reports. They can take all the time in the world to restructure Chrysler's product line and operations and make the company profitable. Or they could sell off the profitable lines (regardless of what they actually build, Jeep has practically unlimited intangible value as a brand) and dump the rest at a loss. Personally, if I were in charge there, I'd give up on full-size trucks, but hold on to Jeep as my cash cow; for midsize cars, evolve the current offerings and stay pallsy with Daimler-Benz so as to keep sourcing goodies like the sweet transmission and rear suspension in the Charger/300; work on bringing the minivans up to snuff compared to the Japanese competition; and plow any free cash into a crash development program for a small high-MPG car tailored to American tastes, to trump the new Focus and the Cobalt (or whatever the next underwhelming GM compact is going to be called). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)
I think an om617 will fit in there which should have plenty of power. I am worried about turbo lag and starting on hills. -Rolf Mitch Haley wrote: Rolf wrote: Ya I was pretty stoaked about it being family owned and still in business. Il Will def be one of the trips If I can figure out how to get it to 65mph :) OM606 and an intercooler. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? Colonialism and such, still OT
Very interesting, thanks for the insights. My niece is quite familiar with South America, I asked her why things were so FUed there with their governments, economies, etc. Her very short answer was that they are still acting like colonials there, which sorta explains a good part of it I suppose. --R Bill R wrote: Rich, I am far from an expert in the situation of pre-colonial Africa, and the 'nations' were divided up in a conference room [in London IIRC] without any consideration of topography or community relationships, but basically the situation in any area [don't think of 'nations' in pre-colonial times] was that if people could grow or find food they lived there, and when they could not get enough food they moved and found or fought for a new place to live where they could get food [you do like run-on sentences I hope]. Hunger was not as big a problem because there was no one forcing them to grow crops they could not eat so $$ could be earned by export. The taxes imposed by colonial rule were more to force people to become part of the system than to generate direct revenue, and people who could continue their traditional way of life had no need of money except to pay the taxes. A Kenyan friend who owns some land outside of Nairobi told me that if he were ever to plant an export crop [coffee and cocoa are the main ones there, I think] on his land he was legally bound to never grow anything but that, even if he were starving. The infrastructure was created to bring natural and agricultural resources to the ports for export [look at the rail system of colonial India and Haiti also], and the enforcement of export production left a lot of people without the means to support themselves - thus having to purchase food that they once could grow for themselves. Ghana is another interesting story [one of my professors was a tribal chieftain from there, with a PhD from NYU]. HUGE natural resources, but they were not of interest to the native peoples, and in many ways [almost every way] have turned out to be a detriment to the population. Colonial powers abused the population [to 'civilize' them, of course] and extract gems that were valued elsewhere. Is there some God-given right to do anything to native peoples so that foreign desires can be satisfied? That is the $.25 answer, and leaves out probably 75% of the full story. Much of the same story can be told of our taking of land and resources from native American tribes [who did the same thing to other native American tribes, who had done it to others] to create the United States. I suppose the underlying question is always can we stop the process when we get what we want, or should we expect others to take over from us. We were the Taliban to native Americans, I guess. Do also realize that it is not just Africa that is affected with this sort of thing. Great quantities of the best agricultural land in Central America and the islands is owned by huge trans-nationals [I only use the term 'multinational' when I forget how misleading it is], and areas that once fed local populations can sit idle for years if the price for bananas [or other export crops] means the folks in the board room won't make enough profit planting. If you have another several pages of listening available you can investigate the role of the church in colonialism. Rather an interesting story there also, and does not exactly square with Christian values. Down from soapbox, but you sort of asked for it. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? What was the place like before the colonial powers took over? --R Bill R wrote: It is really a bit more complicated than that. The system of malignant stupid policy decisions and favoring the folks in power [foreign or native] did not arise out of the culture all by itself. The shorthand version is that the colonial system stayed in place for the most part and the folks at the top [colonial powers with some experience in national affairs and international relations while raping the country] were replaced with locals who had worked for them and who kept most of the structure, but had none of the international or even national experience while they were raping the country. It is a mess now and can be blamed on them if you want, but the situation did not arise all by itself. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ever see 100 billion dollars? Yeah, in Zimbabwean money. Check out their rate of inflation lately. Our problems pale compared to theirs And that's what they get for kicking out the colonials and taking back the land.
Re: [MBZ] Our 190D 5 cyl Auto gets 40 mpg
Our escort Diesel WOULD get 50 MPG on trips. Quantum wil get 42-45 consistently. Most I ever got with an MB was about 35, but I never owned an OM 602 or a 201. At 01:05 PM 10/31/2008, you wrote: Uhhh, sure.. My 190D 2.2l 5spd manual averages about 38mpg over the last 70,000 miles. High was 43 I think... I'd think that maybe somebody topped up one tank and then filled just to the shutoff on the next or added a bottle of fuel additive or something. I could make a tank come out to 50mpg if I wanted to... -Curt Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:52:31 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Our 190D 5 cyl Auto gets 40 mpg To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My wife informed me tonight that, before the stupid odometer quit, she got a couple of awesome MPG readings. The thing has been known to get around 32 to 34 mpg. But Im looking at two receipts right at 40 mpg. This in a car that, I think, needs a fuel filter change. And this before I switched to Mobil 1. Sorry Mobil lovers, I dont have post Mobil 1 data due to stupid Mercedes odometer. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 190D 5 cyl Auto gets 40 mpg
I got 31mpg (actually I think it was like 31.6, so almost 32) from my 240D once. I'm sure that if I took it on a long highway trip and could make myself keep the speed to say 60mph (would need working cruise) I could get 35. That'd require one of those brutal trips stopping only for fuel and peeing in a bottle while driving... ;) -Curt --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 190D 5 cyl Auto gets 40 mpg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 2:38 PM Our escort Diesel WOULD get 50 MPG on trips. Quantum wil get 42-45 consistently. Most I ever got with an MB was about 35, but I never owned an OM 602 or a 201. At 01:05 PM 10/31/2008, you wrote: Uhhh, sure.. My 190D 2.2l 5spd manual averages about 38mpg over the last 70,000 miles. High was 43 I think... I'd think that maybe somebody topped up one tank and then filled just to the shutoff on the next or added a bottle of fuel additive or something. I could make a tank come out to 50mpg if I wanted to... -Curt Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:52:31 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Our 190D 5 cyl Auto gets 40 mpg To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My wife informed me tonight that, before the stupid odometer quit, she got a couple of awesome MPG readings. The thing has been known to get around 32 to 34 mpg. But Im looking at two receipts right at 40 mpg. This in a car that, I think, needs a fuel filter change. And this before I switched to Mobil 1. Sorry Mobil lovers, I dont have post Mobil 1 data due to stupid Mercedes odometer. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Intermittent Temp Gauge
The wires behind the gauges sometimes get pinched (like mine), come loose or the solder breaks. It's most likely one of those 3 or the ground wire connection. The gauges themselves generally last forever - but the wiring to them has problems. Unlikely but check the wire to the temp. sensor on the engine - may be loose/intermittant. Use a thin film of dielectric grease on electrical connections - Good luck - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: ANGELO GIAIMO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:23 AM Subject: [MBZ] Intermittent Temp Gauge The Temp gauge on my 1990 350SDL sometimes jumps from it's normal 85C to being pegged past 120C. No a slow ramp-up, like the temp is actually rising, but an a instaneous jump. 1'st time it scared the crap out of me and shut her down quickly and checkednot hot all and plenty of AF. Just as fast as it jumped past 120C, it returned to 85Cafter going over a small bump in the road. Now, I can almost make it jump on command by giving the dash a short wrap with my knuckles. My thought was a loose connection, but I've been told that the gauges sometimes go bad...That true? Noware the instrument clusters (Temp, Oil Pressure, Gas Gauge) on the 350SDL's the same as the older 300SD/SDL's? I can get my hands on one of them cheaply, or do I need to find one specifically for the 350? Dealer prices are a joke.(If we did not know that already) Thanks.. Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532); 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533 1990 350SDL w/ 271Kand still ticking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 190D 5 cyl Auto gets 40 mpg
I got 33mpg in the 300D 2.5 Turbo on a round trip from Norman to Houston -- I think the MBs would get even better mileage if they weighed less - wonder much better you could get by stripping out all the electric motors from the interior, installing light weight racing seats, etc? On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our escort Diesel WOULD get 50 MPG on trips. Quantum wil get 42-45 consistently. Most I ever got with an MB was about 35, but I never owned an OM 602 or a 201. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Boxster tires
...how much was the tire?.. Who the hell knows? They cost what they cost. I am purty sure it wasn't one of those 52 buck ones from Costco. Mit nitrogen. RLE ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - home hot and cold water filters
I suffered through several years of constant water softener breakdowns before the local water guru suggested a whole house filter at the point where all water comes into the house. The biggest part of this guy's business is doing water system for semiconductor wafer fabs, so he's inclined to over-engineer everything. What I ended up with was a big honkin high flow 1 micron filter ahead of the water softener. No problems since then. I live in an old part of town where the water lines are 80+ years old and self-destructing, so we see all kinds of particulates in the water. Course it costs me about $150 /year when I do have to replace the filter element. I'd say money well spent. Wish I'd done it years earlier. Gary Thompson On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 9:59 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm about to replace a lot of plumbing in the house (tub/shower faucet, hot water tank, kitchen sink/faucet, etc.) and am thinking that filtering all the water, rather than just the little drinking water faucet would be a good thing. I don't see much about filtering the hot water, other than for sediment/grit, or hot water protector filters. I'm not sure this is a good thing - though it might be better than nothing? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hendrik the Cheap
..No any sports car bought just for driving around in, as opposed to actually being used to go racing in, will suffice. Of course you'll need the hairpiece, fake tan and a nip and tuck here and there to complete the look. Hendrik who likes comfortable and practical vehicular transportation.. You have never had any fun in your entire penny-pinching life, have you Hendrik? RLE ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM + Chrysler ?
Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Here's more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_Management And Dan Quayle heads one of the international units and on October 19, 2006, John W. Snow, President George W. Bush's second United States Secretary of the Treasury, was named chairman of Cerberus. And I think that Cerberus owns part of GMAC. Just the messenger.. And Barney Frank's boyfriend was a big shot at Fannie Mae. And maybe we could do a little research on what all of Clinton's cronies are doing now ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 190D 5 cyl Auto gets 40 mpg
You would just drive faster and gain nothing but time! Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 190D 5 cyl Auto gets 40 mpg I got 33mpg in the 300D 2.5 Turbo on a round trip from Norman to Houston -- I think the MBs would get even better mileage if they weighed less - wonder much better you could get by stripping out all the electric motors from the interior, installing light weight racing seats, etc? On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our escort Diesel WOULD get 50 MPG on trips. Quantum wil get 42-45 consistently. Most I ever got with an MB was about 35, but I never owned an OM 602 or a 201. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hendrik the Cheap versus Team RLE and it's mega budget
No no no, I have lots of fun winding you up Roger and it doesn't cost much. Anyway the problem I see with sporty cars is that the only place you can use them to their potential is on a race track, if you try to use em in anger on public road this is what happens http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,,24564978-5006301,00.html Even the Northern territory has placed a speed limit of 140k on the open road, too many drunks wiping themselves out I suppose. However if I was ever to get serious about motor sports it would be the two wheeled variety, racing cars are for girls. Although a challenge would be to see how cheaply a race car could be built and raced, as usually the team with the most bucks wins. I guess what I am trying to say is that I am all in favor of grassroots motor sport but a bunch of rich posers playing with their toys does not appeal to me. Hendrik who does not have the need for speed and has a few money suckers/wallet drainers already demanding BIG Chrissy presents [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..No any sports car bought just for driving around in, as opposed to actually being used to go racing in, will suffice. Of course you'll need the hairpiece, fake tan and a nip and tuck here and there to complete the look. Hendrik who likes comfortable and practical vehicular transportation.. You have never had any fun in your entire penny-pinching life, have you Hendrik? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fuel and tire conservation
'Did some bit for fuel and tire conservation today; 'checked and filled tires on the 87 300D to 32 psi. 'Sure rolled easier the few blocks home. 'Hadn't checked 'em for 6 months or more, and they were all at ~20/21, evidently down from normal leakage and cooler temp - 'hope that's all. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM + Chrysler ?
Cerberus stated that they are interested in a merger but only if they own part of the resulting company. In other words, they aren't trying to dump Chrysler, they are trying to leverage their way into a bigger piece of the pie. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM + Chrysler ? On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't Chrysler now owned by an investment company of some sort, bought DB's shares? Yes, Cerberus Holdings. This merger idea makes no sense to me. Cerberus being private, they aren't hamstrung by the tyranny of quarterly earnings reports. They can take all the time in the world to restructure Chrysler's product line and operations and make the company profitable. Or they could sell off the profitable lines (regardless of what they actually build, Jeep has practically unlimited intangible value as a brand) and dump the rest at a loss. Personally, if I were in charge there, I'd give up on full-size trucks, but hold on to Jeep as my cash cow; for midsize cars, evolve the current offerings and stay pallsy with Daimler-Benz so as to keep sourcing goodies like the sweet transmission and rear suspension in the Charger/300; work on bringing the minivans up to snuff compared to the Japanese competition; and plow any free cash into a crash development program for a small high-MPG car tailored to American tastes, to trump the new Focus and the Cobalt (or whatever the next underwhelming GM compact is going to be called). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1757 - Release Date: 10/30/2008 2:35 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1757 - Release Date: 10/30/2008 2:35 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hendrik the Cheap versus Team RLE and it's mega budget
Wow!!! Sliced and scrambled Ferrari! Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hendrik the Cheap versus Team RLE and it's mega budget No no no, I have lots of fun winding you up Roger and it doesn't cost much. Anyway the problem I see with sporty cars is that the only place you can use them to their potential is on a race track, if you try to use em in anger on public road this is what happens http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,,24564978-5006301,00.html Even the Northern territory has placed a speed limit of 140k on the open road, too many drunks wiping themselves out I suppose. However if I was ever to get serious about motor sports it would be the two wheeled variety, racing cars are for girls. Although a challenge would be to see how cheaply a race car could be built and raced, as usually the team with the most bucks wins. I guess what I am trying to say is that I am all in favor of grassroots motor sport but a bunch of rich posers playing with their toys does not appeal to me. Hendrik who does not have the need for speed and has a few money suckers/wallet drainers already demanding BIG Chrissy presents [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..No any sports car bought just for driving around in, as opposed to actually being used to go racing in, will suffice. Of course you'll need the hairpiece, fake tan and a nip and tuck here and there to complete the look. Hendrik who likes comfortable and practical vehicular transportation.. You have never had any fun in your entire penny-pinching life, have you Hendrik? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - way of topic, concrete restoration
I have a 85 year old concrete stile on the edge of the yard. The fence it went over is long gone, but I find the relic pleasant. However, in the last few year, Nature has been rough on it. The lots-of-rock-with-a-bit-of-cement main structure is crumbling causing the top 3/4 inch (20 mm) of finish-concrete to break off. Since this list has an expert in _every_ facet of life... Any advice on how to save the antique concrete without making it look like it's brand new? -- Philip, trying to lead the list astray ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - way of topic, concrete restoration
Photos? Wilton - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:22 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - way of topic, concrete restoration I have a 85 year old concrete stile on the edge of the yard. The fence it went over is long gone, but I find the relic pleasant. However, in the last few year, Nature has been rough on it. The lots-of-rock-with-a-bit-of-cement main structure is crumbling causing the top 3/4 inch (20 mm) of finish-concrete to break off. Since this list has an expert in _every_ facet of life... Any advice on how to save the antique concrete without making it look like it's brand new? -- Philip, trying to lead the list astray ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM + Chrysler ?
The ultimate goal here is to dump the UAW commitments, get them out from underwater so they can make some money (if they build some products people want to buy). They are working the pols hard to get that. Grab your wallets. --R Tom Hargrave wrote: Cerberus stated that they are interested in a merger but only if they own part of the resulting company. In other words, they aren't trying to dump Chrysler, they are trying to leverage their way into a bigger piece of the pie. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM + Chrysler ? On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't Chrysler now owned by an investment company of some sort, bought DB's shares? Yes, Cerberus Holdings. This merger idea makes no sense to me. Cerberus being private, they aren't hamstrung by the tyranny of quarterly earnings reports. They can take all the time in the world to restructure Chrysler's product line and operations and make the company profitable. Or they could sell off the profitable lines (regardless of what they actually build, Jeep has practically unlimited intangible value as a brand) and dump the rest at a loss. Personally, if I were in charge there, I'd give up on full-size trucks, but hold on to Jeep as my cash cow; for midsize cars, evolve the current offerings and stay pallsy with Daimler-Benz so as to keep sourcing goodies like the sweet transmission and rear suspension in the Charger/300; work on bringing the minivans up to snuff compared to the Japanese competition; and plow any free cash into a crash development program for a small high-MPG car tailored to American tastes, to trump the new Focus and the Cobalt (or whatever the next underwhelming GM compact is going to be called). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1757 - Release Date: 10/30/2008 2:35 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1757 - Release Date: 10/30/2008 2:35 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Intermittent Temp Gauge
The Temp gauge on my 1990 350SDL sometimes jumps from it's normal 85C to being pegged past 120C. No a slow ramp-up, like the temp is actually rising, but an a instaneous jump...[hitting dash helps] Bad connection. The gauges are soldered to the PCB in the cluster, as is the connector that goes to the car's wiring harness. That's probably where I'd start. It's amazing what you can do with a soldering iron. That and a bit of skill saves all kinds of money. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 190D 5 cyl Auto gets 40 mpg
Probably true! - Time and fun! On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:07 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You would just drive faster and gain nothing but time! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)
Why are all RVs, no matter what chassis they're based on or who converts them, always an ugly shade of off-white or beige? I don't know if you've spent any time in an RV, but in the summer they get HOT! The light color helps, marginally. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 300CD running on and on and on...
If that is the case it is quite strange. Usually its the shutoff valve or other leaks. I have never see the ignition part go bad. andrew strasfogel wrote: Well, the dealership diagnosed that a leaky vacuum servo for the shutoff under the dash near ignition switch. They need to remove the cluster to get at it. Has anyone ever heard of this? Car is a W123 1983 300CD turbodiesel. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Yep, but it should allow the engine shutoff to work. Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 300CD running on and on and on... I assume that will disable the cetnral locking system - correct? On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:09 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can a leaky trunklock vacuum element cause a 1985 300CD to run on and on? Plug the feed to the yellow line under the hood. That's the lock system. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1758 - Release Date: 10/31/2008 8:22 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I dont know why but I think this looks nice
I have a manual sunroof complete assembly pulled and ready to go. andrew strasfogel wrote: Is anyone parting out a 240D with a mechanical sunroof? Kaleb?? On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb provided the following link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-1983-Mercedes-Benz-240D-Low-Miles-Nice_W0QQitemZ260308281616QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6315QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem It does look nice. I am not really a fan of turd brown. But, it does look like it is in great shape. In the older cars, I actually like the hubcaps. I think they look retro. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1758 - Release Date: 10/31/2008 8:22 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM + Chrysler ?
well we already have the ultimate truck, it has everything you mentioned except with the better duramax engine. Luther wrote: Could we finally have THE ultimate truck? Chevy body, Allison trans, and Cumins engine? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27125864/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1758 - Release Date: 10/31/2008 8:22 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 300CD running on and on and on...
If that is the case it is quite strange. Usually its the shutoff valve or other leaks. I have never see the ignition part go bad. The one on the Albatross was full of oil, and popped apart. I put it back together, clean, and it worked just fine. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I dont know why but I think this looks nice
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I have a manual sunroof complete assembly pulled and ready to go. And I think that's what Andrew is likely to find. If a dismantler has one, he wants to sell the whole roof, not a tiny and necessary part. Seems like either a trip to a dealer or a u-pull is in order. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Great Lakes autotrader ads
Cheap W140 V8: http://www.auto-rv.com/Browse.aspx?AdName=WEBDLR-60917 S124 4matic: http://www.auto-rv.com/Browse.aspx?AdName=WEBDLR-38537 Cheap W124 300E (so cheap it might be feasible to convert to a 2.5 diesel, but it's too far for me to drag home) http://www.auto-rv.com/Browse.aspx?AdName=14-825784 I bet even Wonko could start this in the winter: http://www.auto-rv.com/Browse.aspx?AdName=820-842098 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Unbelievable pilot
Unbelievable pilot skills. http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08102703.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1758 - Release Date: 10/31/2008 8:22 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - way of topic, concrete restoration
Wilton wrote: Photos? Okay. I decided to try putting them on a hosting service server. So stop by http://host-a.net/fmiser and look at the photos named stile_* And let me know if the hosting thing works okay... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - way of topic, concrete restoration
No suggestions, but the hosting site works fine. I decided to try putting them on a hosting service server. So stop by http://host-a.net/fmiser and look at the photos named stile_* And let me know if the hosting thing works okay... -- Philip -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes W126 Seats
Well I guess I will spend much more than that to get it up to my standards, but Rusty needs the money. :) Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes W126 Seats I dont think that is high, unless the value of those things has dropped alot. Trampas wrote: $2K which was a bit high considering the #14 and 270k+ miles. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes W126 Seats so how much did you pay for it? Trampas wrote: Forgot to mention that I just purchased a 1987 300SDL with #14 head. Most likely paid too much for the car, but it runs well and transmission works well. Thus most of problems are maintenance and cosmetics. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes W126 Seats as an aside, you will get most of your order tomorrow. should have all of it by early next week. On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb, Do you have any light gray seat covers for a W126? How about the plastic trim the surrounds the seats? Thanks Trampas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1754 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 7:45 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1756 - Release Date: 10/30/2008 7:59 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] From Mrs Bill // RE: Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)
Bill asked me to apologize to you all for some of the things he wrote today -- not sure what that was, because I don't have the energy to read through them. But apparently he was in the throes of congestive heart failure when he wrote all of his notes and now feels some of it might have been inappropriate. He is now at St Luke's under care, they are adjusting things and hopefully he will pull out of this without further problems. I just got home -- it's been a long day. Good night all...sue -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:15 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!) You could probably fit a Lazy Boy in there, though it might not meet code. I don't think you would have to worry about it sliding backwards with the super acceleration I sure I will have ;-) , but forward could be a problem. Maybe you could use the footrest as sort of a swing up emergency stop so you won't hit the steering wheel in case someone pulls out in front of you. I'm sure the experience of getting it from when sits to road worthy will amply challenge your resourcefulness [and probably your bank account, but we won't talk about that]. Wish it could be me. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!) Getting it home is certainly the biggest obstacle. I'll feel better when I have the title in hand and it one all 4 wheels (2 rear are missing :( ). Needs a front seat to, wonder if a lazyboy will fit :) -Rolf Bill R wrote: Looks like it will be quite a nice home on the roam. Have fun getting it fixed up - and using it, of course. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!) I forgot who listed this but THANK YOU. I owe you a beer or three. http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/1.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/2.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/3.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/4.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/5.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/6.jpg Here is the company that did the customization : http://rvdieselmotorhomes.com/ Exciting stuff. Now I just have to get it home and titled. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] From Mrs Bill // RE: Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)
Imagine what the message would have been like if he was OK. Well, I hope he gets OK. --R Bill R wrote: Bill asked me to apologize to you all for some of the things he wrote today -- not sure what that was, because I don't have the energy to read through them. But apparently he was in the throes of congestive heart failure when he wrote all of his notes and now feels some of it might have been inappropriate. He is now at St Luke's under care, they are adjusting things and hopefully he will pull out of this without further problems. I just got home -- it's been a long day. Good night all...sue -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:15 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!) You could probably fit a Lazy Boy in there, though it might not meet code. I don't think you would have to worry about it sliding backwards with the super acceleration I sure I will have ;-) , but forward could be a problem. Maybe you could use the footrest as sort of a swing up emergency stop so you won't hit the steering wheel in case someone pulls out in front of you. I'm sure the experience of getting it from when sits to road worthy will amply challenge your resourcefulness [and probably your bank account, but we won't talk about that]. Wish it could be me. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!) Getting it home is certainly the biggest obstacle. I'll feel better when I have the title in hand and it one all 4 wheels (2 rear are missing :( ). Needs a front seat to, wonder if a lazyboy will fit :) -Rolf Bill R wrote: Looks like it will be quite a nice home on the roam. Have fun getting it fixed up - and using it, of course. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!) I forgot who listed this but THANK YOU. I owe you a beer or three. http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/1.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/2.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/3.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/4.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/5.jpg http://winmutt.com/images/benz/rv/6.jpg Here is the company that did the customization : http://rvdieselmotorhomes.com/ Exciting stuff. Now I just have to get it home and titled. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] From Mrs Bill // RE: Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)
Bill R wrote: Bill asked me to apologize to you all for some of the things he wrote today I don't recall what he's got to be sorry for. Did he write the essay on colonialism in Africa? I thought that was educational. Get well soon, Bill. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] From Mrs Bill // RE: Thanks for helping me with my new O309D Motoroam. (For kaleb prices!)
Wow! Hope he is alright. No apologies are needed, especially under the circumstances! Our best wishes for a speedy recovery. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill asked me to apologize to you all for some of the things he wrote today -- not sure what that was, because I don't have the energy to read through them. But apparently he was in the throes of congestive heart failure when he wrote all of his notes and now feels some of it might have been inappropriate. He is now at St Luke's under care, they are adjusting things and hopefully he will pull out of this without further problems. I just got home -- it's been a long day. Good night all...sue -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] From Mrs Bill
Bill asked me to apologize to you all for some of the things he wrote today -- not sure what that was, because I don't have the energy to read through them. But apparently he was in the throes of congestive heart failure when he wrote all of his notes and now feels some of it might have been inappropriate. He is now at St Luke's under care, they are adjusting things and hopefully he will pull out of this without further problems. I just got home -- it's been a long day. Good night all...sue - Hi Sue, My best wishes to Bill for a fast recovery. CHF is a very treatable disease nowadays. He should be back on MBZ before very long. Gerry ArcherRetired lab/med tech ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - cordless screw drivers
I purchased the Bosch screwdriver - it really is a very nice tool - LOTS of torque, great battery life (so far), very ergonomic, highly recommended, even though it is assembled in Malaysia. Rich was right on with his recommendation - Thanks! I looked on Lowes' web site, and yes, they do sell Bosch, but the site said that my local store didn't carry them. We went there anyway, to look at what they might have (and counter tops), and they they were - one on display, and another in a sealed box! Can't trust the web site - it's not tied to a real-time database. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - cordless screw drivers
Thanks for that. I was at Lowes today, they had 2 batteries on the cut-out shelf, originally $45 each for $10 each so I snagged both. Now I have enough power to run the thing about 3 hours and drive about 3000 screws. I'll be all screwed up now! --R OK Don wrote: I purchased the Bosch screwdriver - it really is a very nice tool - LOTS of torque, great battery life (so far), very ergonomic, highly recommended, even though it is assembled in Malaysia. Rich was right on with his recommendation - Thanks! I looked on Lowes' web site, and yes, they do sell Bosch, but the site said that my local store didn't carry them. We went there anyway, to look at what they might have (and counter tops), and they they were - one on display, and another in a sealed box! Can't trust the web site - it's not tied to a real-time database. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
