Re: [MBZ] Fill up
flooding a charcoal cannister by overfilling even just a few times also damages it to where it can't perform its function. even if you didn't care about its function, once it's been soaked with fuel it's likely to start sending chunks of charcoal into your intake system, and in no way is that a Good Thing. cheers! e Peter Frederick wrote: You can flood the charcoal canister and spill fuel (they aren't that big). The tank is designed to have air space at all times, and shaking it to fill that designed space results in excessive unburned hydrocarbon emissions (onto the ground). May not happen to you, but that's the way it works. I fill till the auto shutoff kills the pump, and I've never been able to get much more fuel into the diesels. I don't like to fill the 280SE super full, either, because the filler is so low (behind the plate). Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] filling it up
fuel is usually stored in an underground tank, and as a result isn't likely to be very different from the average ambient temperatures at that location. filling up normally (read: not overfilling) on flat ground should never cause any spillage of fuel from a properly functioning system. cheers! e WILTON wrote: 'Possibility of that happening with gasoline or Diesel if the tank packed full of cool fuel and the vehicle is immediately parked on a hot day, especially in the sun. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fill up
ernest breakfield wrote: flooding a charcoal cannister by overfilling even just a few times also damages it to where it can't perform its function. even if you didn't care about its function, once it's been soaked with fuel it's likely to start sending chunks of charcoal into your intake system, and in no way is that a Good Thing. Not to mention if it's a 1996 or later model (OBD-II) it'll set an evap emissions code and trip the SES light. While not a terrible thing in and of itself, if you are subject to smog inspections it's a fail. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] filling it up
ernest breakfield wrote: fuel is usually stored in an underground tank, and as a result isn't likely to be very different from the average ambient temperatures at that location. That would be annual average if the tank's as far underground as I think it is. At any rate, if you haven't burned a couple of gallons by the the next sunny afternoon... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] filling it up
I fill 'em to the brim, always, but it's at least 8 miles home from there, it's not a problem. Or else I'm headed somewhere else. I've never filled up immediately before a parking scenario, as I'm aware of the expansion factor. These days, a contraction! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1995 E300 Head Gasket Repair
Well I finally got the head of the engine last night. I could sware that the bolts tighten themselves over time, because they were very tough to break loose. I had one triple square tool fail on one of the bolts. I ended up having to drill down through the top of the screw before I could get the screw out. The tool that failed was and S K. I can see where the head had been leaking coolant. It almost looks like I was getting a bit of combustion leakage also. All piston top look good with no soot accumilation. I will send the picture out when I get it downloaded of the camera. The car has 280,000 mile and the intake manifold does not have much soot build up. There seems to be more on each end of the manifold and cleaner in the center. Cams look good with very little signs of wear. Next step is to get the old head gasket removed from the block. I will need to check to see if the head bolts are over the spec length. I will also need to check the head and make sure it is not worped. Does anyone have the specs on how flat it needs to be. I guess I could look at my 190 manual and see what it list there. I feel that I am almost half way through the job. Is there anything else that I will need to check before I start putting the engine back together? Finances are bit tight so I can not injector recalibrated or rework the valve train. Robert Massmann 1995 E300 diesel 1985 300 CD 1982 300 D 1981 Rabbit truck Oregonia Ohio ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotten egg smell from battery?
Is voltage testing a sufficient test to determine if there's an overcharging condition? So far no problems with the new battery. --Original Message-- From: Jim Cathey Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com To: Okie Benz Mailing List ReplyTo: Okie Benz Mailing List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotten egg smell from battery? Sent: Nov 24, 2009 8:22 PM If the battery's hot, sizzling, and stinking, then it _is_ overcharging and you have a problem to address. Shorted cell is rare on Optimas, is it not? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300 Head Gasket Repair
Is there anything else that I will need to check before I start putting the engine back together? Finances are bit tight so I can not injector recalibrated or rework the valve train. This a turbo? I would consider new valve stem seals at this time, especially if it's not a turbo. Should be cheap and easy at this point. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotten egg smell from battery?
Is voltage testing a sufficient test to determine if there's an overcharging condition? So far no problems with the new battery. Yes, on a new non-defective battery. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotten egg smell from battery?
If this vehicle has a history of consuming batteries and no obvious charging problem signs revealed by your 'static' testing, I'd consider wiring a voltmeter into the car so that it could be watched more closely. Maybe it only overcharges at night with the lights on, or at freeway speeds, etc. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotten egg smell from battery?
Right and this is what Mitch was suggesting. But wouldn't my dashboard voltmeter pick this up? It seems fairly accurate than me constantly looking at a voltmeter. I don't have one that let's me set limits or alarms. There are no known electrical problems--no history of blowing radios or headlights. In 8 years and 220,000 miles, the right headlight has been changed twice. --Original Message-- From: Jim Cathey Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com To: Okie Benz Mailing List ReplyTo: Okie Benz Mailing List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotten egg smell from battery? Sent: Nov 25, 2009 9:09 AM If this vehicle has a history of consuming batteries and no obvious charging problem signs revealed by your 'static' testing, I'd consider wiring a voltmeter into the car so that it could be watched more closely. Maybe it only overcharges at night with the lights on, or at freeway speeds, etc. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] filling it up
Average ambient temperature underground can be quite different from ambient temps wherever your car is. Back when I was a summer ramp jockey I would take the fuel truck over to the dump and fill it up with a coupla thousand gallons of avgas, which was nice and cool coming out of the underground tank. If I got the tank too full and did not offload some soon, after a little while you would see it start to erupt from the tank lid. Also did the same if you pumped it into a airplane wing and topped it off, after awhile fuel would be erupting from the filler hole and dripping all over the place if it was a nice hot sunny day. I think avgas had a higher expansion coefficient than jet fuel did. It was pleasant to lay on the tank while it was filling though, nice and cool on a hot summer day! (One of my colleagues would fall asleep on top with his arm dangling down in the tank, when the cool fuel reached his hand it would wake him up so as not to overflow it) I guess cars might have some more expansion space than an airplane or tanker truck, probably why you don't see that problem much. --R ernest breakfield wrote: fuel is usually stored in an underground tank, and as a result isn't likely to be very different from the average ambient temperatures at that location. filling up normally (read: not overfilling) on flat ground should never cause any spillage of fuel from a properly functioning system. cheers! e WILTON wrote: 'Possibility of that happening with gasoline or Diesel if the tank packed full of cool fuel and the vehicle is immediately parked on a hot day, especially in the sun. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Custom CLK
Sure, hence the term lead sled but with that much lead think what the car would weigh! -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:19:58 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Custom CLK To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 437bc980911241819t79dc1e6brf6fa1f42d2b09...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And we used to use lead to do similar things to cars On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Beyond hideous but you've got to give the guy credit, it must have been an amazing amount of work! -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:16:29 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: [MBZ] Custom CLK To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4b0bf8cd.4080...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I bet if you gave Wilton 50 cans of Great Stuff, a CLK, and some nice rims he could build one just like it: http://englishrussia.com/?p=1949 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fill up
Oh yay, you go an extra 20 miles, whoop dee-doo... Which tells me you probably don't drive very much. On my 55 mile (one way) commute 1 gallon of fuel isn't worth anything, I've already fueled up either on the way out or on the way home. There are 2 cheap fuel stops and I plan to hit one of 'em... -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:14:49 EST From: relng...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fill up To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: bea.51dd4c13.383e0...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII ...I've always heard that is a Very Bad Thing to do with gas cars, especially in hot weather and/or if you are planning to park the car soon after filling up---the gas expands and ends up on the ground via the overrun system (or whatever it's called)... Look. Sealed fuel systems have been around for almost forty years and the only place any expanded excess will go is into the charcoal canister which will be sucked back later. In my case, I live 4.2 miles from my gas station so the level is down before I get home. The main reason for squeezing in as much fuel as possible is that the tanks don't hold enough and an extra gallon or so means I don't have to gas up as soon. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
I had the same feeling about the hydrogen economy BS until I heard a thing on NPR last week. Apparently some company has come up with a small scale system to make hydrogen from water using a solar powered system. They envision it like a battery system, store up hydrogen to use in cloudy periods. An interesting side effect though is if your system were big enough you could make some to power your car. They have a system that makes hydrogen right in the solar panels and they're supposedly using some amazing low cost catalyst... The guy claims it'll be ready for prime time in ~8 years but as far as I'm concerned this is the first plan including hydrogen that makes even a glimmer of sense. Of course big oil will fight it tooth and nail... -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:30:38 -0600 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 5cb9a771-9dbc-404a-a628-6c5245925...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I would love to see the milage rating for a diesel-electric hybrid, should be about 30% greater than a gas/electric for city driving. Same deal on the highway, though -- worse than the equivalent non/ hybrid. Hydrogen fuel is a pipe dream -- the only current source is de- carbonized methane, so the CO2 (and all that heat/work) is dumped into the atmosphere during manufacture. Sequestration is bu...it too -- who wants a volcano of CO2 snow when the underground storage blows out (as it will, surely). Better to burn the methane direct and DRIVE LESS! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
Surely the plans are to sequester carbon and let the 02 go free? -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:57:22 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4b0cb932.5010...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Peter Frederick wrote: Sequestration is bu...it too -- who wants a volcano of CO2 snow when the underground storage blows out (as it will, surely). I never thought of that. I knew a fellow who lost a burst disk on a 20lb tank in the back seat of his car as he drove home from the shop that massively overfilled it. It was snowing dry ice inside the car, so he dropped all the windows. Losing a railroad tanker full of CO2 would be quite impressive. Not to mention the whole CO2 idea is incredibly stupid to begin with. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] filling it up
Think so? When I was a kid in the summertime I'd slept in the basement because we didn't have AC and it was 10 degrees cooler down there. Why shouldn't a buried fuel tank be 10 degrees cooler than ambient, and if ambient in the morning were say 80F at 2pm it could be 100F. I don't know the expansion rate for gasoline but with even a 30 degree temp delta... -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:16:45 -0800 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] filling it up To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4b0ce7ed.9000...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed fuel is usually stored in an underground tank, and as a result isn't likely to be very different from the average ambient temperatures at that location. filling up normally (read: not overfilling) on flat ground should never cause any spillage of fuel from a properly functioning system. cheers! e WILTON wrote: 'Possibility of that happening with gasoline or Diesel if the tank packed full of cool fuel and the vehicle is immediately parked on a hot day, especially in the sun. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
I've wanted to see a Diesel-electric hybrid for many years; actually since many years before Toyota and Honda started with the gasoline-elec hybrids. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid I would love to see the milage rating for a diesel-electric hybrid, should be about 30% greater than a gas/electric for city driving. Same deal on the highway, though -- worse than the equivalent non/ hybrid. Hydrogen fuel is a pipe dream -- the only current source is de- carbonized methane, so the CO2 (and all that heat/work) is dumped into the atmosphere during manufacture. Sequestration is bu...it too -- who wants a volcano of CO2 snow when the underground storage blows out (as it will, surely). Better to burn the methane direct and DRIVE LESS! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi wheels
Like I say, Physics always wins. 'Don't like the physics of this. I think somebody rolled two wheel/tire assemblies up beside the car and took a photo. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi wheels Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Are those wheels actually mounted on the hubs? http://de.fishki.net/picsw/112009/24/post/tachka/tn.jpg In theory, couldn't you have an extra-wide spacer (really a cylinder of metal at least a foot long in this case), and extra-long lug bolts to go all the way through holes bored longitudinally in the spacer, into the hub? Either that, or you could roll a couple of wheels up next to the car and take a picture. I suspect/fear it's real though. Maybe Wilton could buy a Black R320CDI and a set of those wheels and tell us how it works. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
The issue is distribution and storage. Hydrogen is a bit more difficult to deal with than liquid fuels (or even LPG/LNG) -- a gas, low energy density (as a gas), need high pressures, very low temps, etc. More expensive than a small plastic or sheet metal tank. --R Curt Raymond wrote: I had the same feeling about the hydrogen economy BS until I heard a thing on NPR last week. Apparently some company has come up with a small scale system to make hydrogen from water using a solar powered system. They envision it like a battery system, store up hydrogen to use in cloudy periods. An interesting side effect though is if your system were big enough you could make some to power your car. They have a system that makes hydrogen right in the solar panels and they're supposedly using some amazing low cost catalyst... The guy claims it'll be ready for prime time in ~8 years but as far as I'm concerned this is the first plan including hydrogen that makes even a glimmer of sense. Of course big oil will fight it tooth and nail... -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:30:38 -0600 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 5cb9a771-9dbc-404a-a628-6c5245925...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I would love to see the milage rating for a diesel-electric hybrid, should be about 30% greater than a gas/electric for city driving. Same deal on the highway, though -- worse than the equivalent non/ hybrid. Hydrogen fuel is a pipe dream -- the only current source is de- carbonized methane, so the CO2 (and all that heat/work) is dumped into the atmosphere during manufacture. Sequestration is bu...it too -- who wants a volcano of CO2 snow when the underground storage blows out (as it will, surely). Better to burn the methane direct and DRIVE LESS! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
More costly than a gasoline/electric hybrid. I think Benz looked into them and numbers just didn't work out, mostly because the diesel engine was more expensive than a gasser. You could drive a locomotive! --R WILTON wrote: I've wanted to see a Diesel-electric hybrid for many years; actually since many years before Toyota and Honda started with the gasoline-elec hybrids. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid I would love to see the milage rating for a diesel-electric hybrid, should be about 30% greater than a gas/electric for city driving. Same deal on the highway, though -- worse than the equivalent non/ hybrid. Hydrogen fuel is a pipe dream -- the only current source is de- carbonized methane, so the CO2 (and all that heat/work) is dumped into the atmosphere during manufacture. Sequestration is bu...it too -- who wants a volcano of CO2 snow when the underground storage blows out (as it will, surely). Better to burn the methane direct and DRIVE LESS! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] filling it up
Because it's stored in an underground tank, isn't the temp of the fuel more likely to be that of the surrounding underground - a fairly constant 57 degrees F here in Eastern NC? That's why Florida (geothermal) heat pumps work so nicely/efficiently. Wilton - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:16 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] filling it up fuel is usually stored in an underground tank, and as a result isn't likely to be very different from the average ambient temperatures at that location. filling up normally (read: not overfilling) on flat ground should never cause any spillage of fuel from a properly functioning system. cheers! e WILTON wrote: 'Possibility of that happening with gasoline or Diesel if the tank packed full of cool fuel and the vehicle is immediately parked on a hot day, especially in the sun. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotten egg smell from battery?
Right and this is what Mitch was suggesting. But wouldn't my dashboard voltmeter pick this up? Is it any good? Most of the ones I've seen are rather crude, some don't even have volts marked on them. Or only a couple of markings. It seems fairly accurate than me constantly looking at a voltmeter. You spot-check it under varying conditions. Little spikes won't fry a battery, it takes sustained effort that you should be able to detect with a halfway decent meter. I don't have one that lets me set limits or alarms. There are no known electrical problems--no history of blowing radios or headlights. In 8 years and 220,000 miles, the right headlight has been changed twice. (Oh, and there's no apostrophe in lets, unless it's short for let us. Nor in most other places it's used these days. It's one of the most overworked punctuation marks today. That little stroke is NOT part of the S glyph! It stands in for missing letters, and only missing letters. [Though the missing letters for the possessive case are truly awkward and stupid, and are better off lost!] Just one of my peeves going off...) What if it only overvoltaged at freeway speeds with the lights off? Modern radios don't necessarily blow up if overvoltaged. They might, they might not. What if it takes 24V to kill your radio? Only takes 16V or so to do in the battery, over time. I'm just saying that the battery could be taken out by a malf that didn't really affect anything else noticeably. Usually you'd see it with the lights having a short life, but I can see how it might not. OTOH, if it's a vehicle that sits a lot you could just be wearing the battery out by discharges (clocks, etc.) that periodically take it down farther than it ought to go. Once a cell is dead then the normal charging voltage is a severe overcharge for the remaining cells. Sizzle city! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fill up
BTW, 'can't remember that I've EVER refueled a vehicle with a charcoal canister. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fill up ernest breakfield wrote: flooding a charcoal cannister by overfilling even just a few times also damages it to where it can't perform its function. even if you didn't care about its function, once it's been soaked with fuel it's likely to start sending chunks of charcoal into your intake system, and in no way is that a Good Thing. Not to mention if it's a 1996 or later model (OBD-II) it'll set an evap emissions code and trip the SES light. While not a terrible thing in and of itself, if you are subject to smog inspections it's a fail. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] filling it up
Why shouldn't a buried fuel tank be 10 degrees cooler than ambient, and if ambient in the morning were say 80F at 2pm it could be 100F. Our basement, only half buried and not as deeply as a fuel tank, is around 65 degrees if left alone. On a 100 degree day if you're pumping out 70 degree fuel that's a lot of room for expansion! Ambient means what's around you. My ambient temperature and my basement's are quite different! Underground items tend to have an annual average temperature as their ambient. Half the time that fuel coming out is 'cool', the other half it's 'warm'. Today, it would be 'warm'! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800
That must make you over 50! On 11/24/09 10:44 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:02:32 -0600 Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote: You have had Diesels since 1972? Yes. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 87 300SDL, 87 300D, 81 240D, 200D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
More costly than a gasoline/electric hybrid. I think Benz looked into them and numbers just didn't work out, mostly because the diesel engine was more expensive than a gasser. Then why use a diesel engine, ever? I don't buy that argument, necessarily. I'm told that an optimally loaded gasser is nearly as efficient as a diesel, it's only at partial loads (like in a car most of the time) that the diesel is clearly superior. I guess if the hybrid's done right, with a squirrel-power gas motor that's either pumping hard or off, the numbers might be closer. But are hybrids really being done 'right'? Most of 'em still seem to drive like regular cars, with a motor that runs at varying RPM's and loads. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] filling it up
That may be true in the PNW where it rarely gets above 60 degrees, but in the rest of the country, where people park cars on a nice new black asphalt lot at the new shopping center for hours in the hear of the day, ambient can easily reach 120 degrees, and even in the shade at 70, 80 or 100, the expansion is significant. On the farm, we always had to gas a tractor as soon as the tank wagon driver filled up the gas tank or we would loose several gallons on the ground. None of the drivers ever seemed to grasp the importance of leaving expansion room at the top of the gas barrel. (Back when gas was $.32 a gallon) On 11/25/09 2:16 AM, ernest breakfield wrote: fuel is usually stored in an underground tank, and as a result isn't likely to be very different from the average ambient temperatures at that location. filling up normally (read: not overfilling) on flat ground should never cause any spillage of fuel from a properly functioning system. cheers! e WILTON wrote: 'Possibility of that happening with gasoline or Diesel if the tank packed full of cool fuel and the vehicle is immediately parked on a hot day, especially in the sun. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 87 300SDL, 87 300D, 81 240D, 200D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotten egg smell from battery?
Jim, The BlackBerry automatically added the apostrophe in lets for some reason and I didn't catch it to remove it. Sorry. The Jeep voltmeter seems somewhat accurate. It shows 11, 12, 13, 14, etc volts OK at least. I've never seen the Jeep measure over 14.x volts. I went thru it pretty well after the first Optima failure. Given that the battery was very dead in the Range Rover and that vehicle had a history of alternator and battery problems, I feel pretty comfortable that the battery might have been damaged by the time I put it in the Jeep. I do like the idea of spot checking under various loads and speeds and will try to do this as an additional check. The first two times I smelled the battery was after cruising about 10 miles at 65 MPH in the evening. Both times I had driven to town earlier that day without any smell. By the third day (yesterday) it was doing it during the day after about a half hour of driving around town. Brian Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:12:32 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotten egg smell from battery? Right and this is what Mitch was suggesting. But wouldn't my dashboard voltmeter pick this up? Is it any good? Most of the ones I've seen are rather crude, some don't even have volts marked on them. Or only a couple of markings. It seems fairly accurate than me constantly looking at a voltmeter. You spot-check it under varying conditions. Little spikes won't fry a battery, it takes sustained effort that you should be able to detect with a halfway decent meter. I don't have one that lets me set limits or alarms. There are no known electrical problems--no history of blowing radios or headlights. In 8 years and 220,000 miles, the right headlight has been changed twice. (Oh, and there's no apostrophe in lets, unless it's short for let us. Nor in most other places it's used these days. It's one of the most overworked punctuation marks today. That little stroke is NOT part of the S glyph! It stands in for missing letters, and only missing letters. [Though the missing letters for the possessive case are truly awkward and stupid, and are better off lost!] Just one of my peeves going off...) What if it only overvoltaged at freeway speeds with the lights off? Modern radios don't necessarily blow up if overvoltaged. They might, they might not. What if it takes 24V to kill your radio? Only takes 16V or so to do in the battery, over time. I'm just saying that the battery could be taken out by a malf that didn't really affect anything else noticeably. Usually you'd see it with the lights having a short life, but I can see how it might not. OTOH, if it's a vehicle that sits a lot you could just be wearing the battery out by discharges (clocks, etc.) that periodically take it down farther than it ought to go. Once a cell is dead then the normal charging voltage is a severe overcharge for the remaining cells. Sizzle city! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] filling it up
underground storage usually ranges from 54 to 57 degrees F. That is a 20 degree delta T on a mild spring or fall day, 30 to 50 degree delta T in the summer for most of the country, and 60 or 70 in the southwest and on parking lots in full sum On 11/25/09 8:47 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Think so? When I was a kid in the summertime I'd slept in the basement because we didn't have AC and it was 10 degrees cooler down there. Why shouldn't a buried fuel tank be 10 degrees cooler than ambient, and if ambient in the morning were say 80F at 2pm it could be 100F. I don't know the expansion rate for gasoline but with even a 30 degree temp delta... -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:16:45 -0800 From: ernest breakfielderne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] filling it up To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID:4b0ce7ed.9000...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed fuel is usually stored in an underground tank, and as a result isn't likely to be very different from the average ambient temperatures at that location. filling up normally (read: not overfilling) on flat ground should never cause any spillage of fuel from a properly functioning system. cheers! e WILTON wrote: 'Possibility of that happening with gasoline or Diesel if the tank packed full of cool fuel and the vehicle is immediately parked on a hot day, especially in the sun. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 87 300SDL, 87 300D, 81 240D, 200D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
Diesel engine is more efficient to start with, so the gains are small when playing with electric hybrids. On 11/25/09 9:05 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: More costly than a gasoline/electric hybrid. I think Benz looked into them and numbers just didn't work out, mostly because the diesel engine was more expensive than a gasser. You could drive a locomotive! --R WILTON wrote: I've wanted to see a Diesel-electric hybrid for many years; actually since many years before Toyota and Honda started with the gasoline-elec hybrids. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid I would love to see the milage rating for a diesel-electric hybrid, should be about 30% greater than a gas/electric for city driving. Same deal on the highway, though -- worse than the equivalent non/ hybrid. Hydrogen fuel is a pipe dream -- the only current source is de- carbonized methane, so the CO2 (and all that heat/work) is dumped into the atmosphere during manufacture. Sequestration is bu...it too -- who wants a volcano of CO2 snow when the underground storage blows out (as it will, surely). Better to burn the methane direct and DRIVE LESS! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 87 300SDL, 87 300D, 81 240D, 200D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
'Zackly my thought, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid More costly than a gasoline/electric hybrid. I think Benz looked into them and numbers just didn't work out, mostly because the diesel engine was more expensive than a gasser. You could drive a locomotive! --R WILTON wrote: I've wanted to see a Diesel-electric hybrid for many years; actually since many years before Toyota and Honda started with the gasoline-elec hybrids. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid I would love to see the milage rating for a diesel-electric hybrid, should be about 30% greater than a gas/electric for city driving. Same deal on the highway, though -- worse than the equivalent non/ hybrid. Hydrogen fuel is a pipe dream -- the only current source is de- carbonized methane, so the CO2 (and all that heat/work) is dumped into the atmosphere during manufacture. Sequestration is bu...it too -- who wants a volcano of CO2 snow when the underground storage blows out (as it will, surely). Better to burn the methane direct and DRIVE LESS! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] filling it up
did i need to say ambient to the tank, and annual average? my mistake; i figured that would have been clear enough. still, i can't see any reason why the fuel in a tank that's only ~20' underground would be cooler enough that diesel or gasoline would expand to the point where it would overflow out of a properly functioning system that hadn't been overfilled. maybe it's because i don't overfill and i've only ever had a fuel overflow once; that was with a motorcycle (that holds ~8 gallons) that had to be parked on the sidestand because of uneven ground in direct sun immediately after filling. cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Think so? When I was a kid in the summertime I'd slept in the basement because we didn't have AC and it was 10 degrees cooler down there. Why shouldn't a buried fuel tank be 10 degrees cooler than ambient, and if ambient in the morning were say 80F at 2pm it could be 100F. I don't know the expansion rate for gasoline but with even a 30 degree temp delta... -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:16:45 -0800 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] filling it up To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4b0ce7ed.9000...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed fuel is usually stored in an underground tank, and as a result isn't likely to be very different from the average ambient temperatures at that location. filling up normally (read: not overfilling) on flat ground should never cause any spillage of fuel from a properly functioning system. cheers! e WILTON wrote: 'Possibility of that happening with gasoline or Diesel if the tank packed full of cool fuel and the vehicle is immediately parked on a hot day, especially in the sun. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi wheels
Alles. In reference to the photograph: If the front wheels are mounted to the car, they are above the wheel opening and so close that they would contact the body in the slightest turn. I think it's an attempt to see what the car would look like with ridiculous wheels installed, or some kind of spoof. My $0.02 Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. At 09:58 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote: Like I say, Physics always wins. 'Don't like the physics of this. I think somebody rolled two wheel/tire assemblies up beside the car and took a photo. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi wheels Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Are those wheels actually mounted on the hubs? http://de.fishki.net/picsw/112009/24/post/tachka/tn.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Apostrophes [was: Re: Rotten egg smell from battery?]
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:12:32 -0800 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: (Oh, and there's no apostrophe in lets, unless it's short for let us. Nor in most other places it's used these days. It's one of the most overworked punctuation marks today. That little stroke is NOT part of the S glyph! It stands in for missing letters, and only missing letters. [Though the missing letters for the possessive case are truly awkward and stupid, and are better off lost!] Just one of my peeves going off...) http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif Or if you want to buy a color poster, http://angryflower.com/aposter.html Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:12:16 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: That must make you over 50! Your math is accurate. The youngest I could be is 52 -- if my parents had given me a Benz when I was 15 and I started driving it when I got my learner's permit at 15.5. Actually I bought a '72 220D/8 as a single lieutenant in the USAF when I was 22, so I'm now 59. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] filling it up
Not as common now but I recall in the past when pick up trucks had the tank in the cab and the filler neck near the driver side door, that if one filled up in the morning when it was cool and then let the truck sit in the sun, it was common for fuel to expand enough to spillout and run down the side of the vehicle. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] filling it up did i need to say ambient to the tank, and annual average? my mistake; i figured that would have been clear enough. still, i can't see any reason why the fuel in a tank that's only ~20' underground would be cooler enough that diesel or gasoline would expand to the point where it would overflow out of a properly functioning system that hadn't been overfilled. maybe it's because i don't overfill and i've only ever had a fuel overflow once; that was with a motorcycle (that holds ~8 gallons) that had to be parked on the sidestand because of uneven ground in direct sun immediately after filling. cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Think so? When I was a kid in the summertime I'd slept in the basement because we didn't have AC and it was 10 degrees cooler down there. Why shouldn't a buried fuel tank be 10 degrees cooler than ambient, and if ambient in the morning were say 80F at 2pm it could be 100F. I don't know the expansion rate for gasoline but with even a 30 degree temp delta... -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:16:45 -0800 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] filling it up To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4b0ce7ed.9000...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed fuel is usually stored in an underground tank, and as a result isn't likely to be very different from the average ambient temperatures at that location. filling up normally (read: not overfilling) on flat ground should never cause any spillage of fuel from a properly functioning system. cheers! e WILTON wrote: 'Possibility of that happening with gasoline or Diesel if the tank packed full of cool fuel and the vehicle is immediately parked on a hot day, especially in the sun. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
Diesel engine is more efficient to start with, so the gains are small when playing with electric hybrids. I'm thinking of marketing an optimal hybrid vehicle (diesel-electric) against a traditional gasser. You know: It gets 50, not 22, who cares if it uses diesel? Marketing DE against D, yes the gains are much smaller. Would be more of a performance thing there. A little sipper of a diesel engine yet accelerates very well due to the electric boost. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
In fact, a very well done DE hybrid might even tempt me to buy one. But I would NOT if the stinking dashboard had green leaves growing all over it instead of proper instruments! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
Sure, so the idea here is to make the fuel at home and basically eliminate a bunch of the distribution. For storage the guy they interviewed suggested a tank buried in the yard... Thats clearly not going to work for everybody but its (in my mind anyway) better than those who think we're going to keep pumping hydrocarbons out of the ground forever. Remember the first guy who drilled for oil was considered a laughingstock. Some ideas that seem crazy today will be the norm in 50 years... -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:04:23 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4b0d4777.4070...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The issue is distribution and storage. Hydrogen is a bit more difficult to deal with than liquid fuels (or even LPG/LNG) -- a gas, low energy density (as a gas), need high pressures, very low temps, etc. More expensive than a small plastic or sheet metal tank. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi wheels
You can see the real wheels mounted, right through the spokes of the larger wheels just sitting there. One of those pics done for a laugh. I stuck an extra set of wheels I have off a porsche, up against an old Chevette I had for the same reason. :-) Not quite the same effect, but even humble 16 rims looked huge next to the chevette's bicycle tire rubber. Boy humor, we all do it at times. hee hee. Did I tell you about the time a friend stuck a Corvette sticker on the back of the Chevette . Ed 300E 2009/11/25 Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Alles. In reference to the photograph: If the front wheels are mounted to the car, they are above the wheel opening and so close that they would contact the body in the slightest turn. I think it's an attempt to see what the car would look like with ridiculous wheels installed, or some kind of spoof. My $0.02 Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. At 09:58 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote: Like I say, Physics always wins. 'Don't like the physics of this. I think somebody rolled two wheel/tire assemblies up beside the car and took a photo. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi wheels Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Are those wheels actually mounted on the hubs? http://de.fishki.net/picsw/112009/24/post/tachka/tn.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] filling it up
Anyone else smell that? Pass me a cigarette will ya lol Ed 300E 2009/11/25 R A Bennell b...@mts.net Not as common now but I recall in the past when pick up trucks had the tank in the cab and the filler neck near the driver side door, that if one filled up in the morning when it was cool and then let the truck sit in the sun, it was common for fuel to expand enough to spillout and run down the side of the vehicle. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] filling it up did i need to say ambient to the tank, and annual average? my mistake; i figured that would have been clear enough. still, i can't see any reason why the fuel in a tank that's only ~20' underground would be cooler enough that diesel or gasoline would expand to the point where it would overflow out of a properly functioning system that hadn't been overfilled. maybe it's because i don't overfill and i've only ever had a fuel overflow once; that was with a motorcycle (that holds ~8 gallons) that had to be parked on the sidestand because of uneven ground in direct sun immediately after filling. cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Think so? When I was a kid in the summertime I'd slept in the basement because we didn't have AC and it was 10 degrees cooler down there. Why shouldn't a buried fuel tank be 10 degrees cooler than ambient, and if ambient in the morning were say 80F at 2pm it could be 100F. I don't know the expansion rate for gasoline but with even a 30 degree temp delta... -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:16:45 -0800 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] filling it up To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4b0ce7ed.9000...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed fuel is usually stored in an underground tank, and as a result isn't likely to be very different from the average ambient temperatures at that location. filling up normally (read: not overfilling) on flat ground should never cause any spillage of fuel from a properly functioning system. cheers! e WILTON wrote: 'Possibility of that happening with gasoline or Diesel if the tank packed full of cool fuel and the vehicle is immediately parked on a hot day, especially in the sun. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi wheels
'Zackly. Wilton - Original Message - From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi wheels Alles. In reference to the photograph: If the front wheels are mounted to the car, they are above the wheel opening and so close that they would contact the body in the slightest turn. I think it's an attempt to see what the car would look like with ridiculous wheels installed, or some kind of spoof. My $0.02 Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. At 09:58 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote: Like I say, Physics always wins. 'Don't like the physics of this. I think somebody rolled two wheel/tire assemblies up beside the car and took a photo. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi wheels Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Are those wheels actually mounted on the hubs? http://de.fishki.net/picsw/112009/24/post/tachka/tn.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
Me, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid In fact, a very well done DE hybrid might even tempt me to buy one. But I would NOT if the stinking dashboard had green leaves growing all over it instead of proper instruments! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:42 -0800, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I had the same feeling about the hydrogen economy BS until I heard a thing on NPR last week. Apparently some company has come up with a small scale system to make hydrogen from water using a solar powered system. They envision it like a battery system, store up hydrogen to use in cloudy periods. An interesting side effect though is if your system were big enough you could make some to power your car. They have a system that makes hydrogen right in the solar panels and they're supposedly using some amazing low cost catalyst... The guy claims it'll be ready for prime time in ~8 years but as far as I'm concerned this is the first plan including hydrogen that makes even a glimmer of sense. Of course big oil will fight it tooth and nail... Problem is you'll need to cover hundreds, more likely thousands, of square miles of the earth with solar collectors to make that work. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:43 -0800, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Surely the plans are to sequester carbon and let the 02 go free? Splitting the C from the O2 takes energy. Where will that come from? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotten egg smell from battery?
I have just one anecdote to offer that may be helpful. My old 123 TD did the rotten egg smell while I was hauling some soccer players and coaches on a tournament trip. Everyone in the car kept eyeing each other wondering who was letting the SBD's. Returning home alone after dropping off the last passenger, I continued to smell it. So I popped the hood and noticed the battery boiling. An electronic genius I worked with helped me troubleshoot the problem down to a bad diode in the alternator. The alternator was overcharging the battery. I should have more quickly recognized overcharging since it came from an MB dealer. Ned ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:58:59 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Sure, so the idea here is to make the fuel at home and basically eliminate a bunch of the distribution. For storage the guy they interviewed suggested a tank buried in the yard... Thats clearly not going to work for everybody but its (in my mind anyway) better than those who think we're going to keep pumping hydrocarbons out of the ground forever. He was talking about H2 storage in a car, not at home. You need some way to haul the stuff with you in order to drive around. On another note, I recall some comment about 10 years ago about lots of hydrogen (from leaks) affecting the upper atmosphere not unlike the way freons alledgedly do. Anyone remember any details? Remember the first guy who drilled for oil was considered a laughingstock. Some ideas that seem crazy today will be the norm in 50 years... True. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
Curt Raymond wrote: Surely the plans are to sequester carbon and let the 02 go free? When I saw something on PBS that showed what the leftists mean when they say they support 'clean coal power', it appeared to be separation (fractional distillation?) of the exhaust gases, with the propane stored in railroad tankers at 900 psi. Then I believe the idea was to take the propane where it could be injected into deep wells for disposal. Then I could see how candidate Obama could claim to support 'clean coal' while also claiming to make it cost prohibitive to generate electricity from coal. A pox upon the millions who voted for him. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
Curt Raymond wrote: I had the same feeling about the hydrogen economy BS until I heard a thing on NPR last week. Apparently some company has come up with a small scale system to make hydrogen from water using a solar powered system. They envision it like a battery system... Yes, until we can drill a hydrogen well, hydrogen is a storage battery, not a power source. At the present time, golf cart batteries are safer and more efficient than hydrolysis and fuel cells for household electricity. And I think I'd rather carry a ton of lead acid golf cart batteries in my car than a pressurized hydrogen tank. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Surely the plans are to sequester carbon and let the 02 go free? When I saw something on PBS that showed what the leftists mean when they say they support 'clean coal power', it appeared to be separation (fractional distillation?) of the exhaust gases, with the propane stored Oops. That should be CO2 stored in big high pressure tanks that look like propane tanker cars. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotten egg smell from battery?
brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Is voltage testing a sufficient test to determine if there's an overcharging condition? So far no problems with the new battery. The voltage regulator regulates voltage. If it's temperature compensated, 15v might be acceptable in cold weather. If your multimeter readings at the battery match the dash gauge readings, then check the dash gauge every few minutes. 13.5-14.5 is typical, and I don't think 14.5 is lethal to AGM batteries, I know it doesn't harm standard batteries. The alternator should be able to force the battery to 16v or more at high rpm if the regulator fails and makes the alternator put out full current, and that would be obvious on the dash gauge, along with a hot, hissing, stinking battery. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:59:43 -0500 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Surely the plans are to sequester carbon and let the 02 go free? When I saw something on PBS that showed what the leftists mean when they say they support 'clean coal power', it appeared to be separation (fractional distillation?) of the exhaust gases, with the propane stored Oops. That should be CO2 stored in big high pressure tanks that look like propane tanker cars. That makes a little more sense. Thanks for the correction. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] For sale - Euro '81 280SE
Had a fellow stop by hoping I would buy his car. It's a gasoline, so I declined - but I said I would let y'all know about it. He said it is clean, been in his garage or car port for years, but not been run in a while. Very little rust. He got it from the Air Force guy who brought it over from Germany. It is currently sitting on a lot at MO I-44 exit 169. $2,000 negotiable. His email address is cllag...@cablemo.net I have phone numbers if anyone wants them. I'm not going to post them to the list. No connection - just some guy who saw my cars and thought I might want more. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Irregular heating patterns - W 123, 300D
Hello there, The heat appears to be quite irregular on any one trip, say. At first, the output is fine, cozy and then it gets cold for awhile, sometimes too long I'd say. If I turn on the fan to compensate, (1) the defrost just puts out too much heat fairly quickly and it gets kind of ridiculously too hot, (2) the bi-level control does fine at first but again, with the fan on there is suddenly no more heat for too long. Is this a problem with the monovalve, its coil or diaphragm? Thank you. Happy Thankgiving. --PT, 1981 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Irregular heating patterns - W 123, 300D
More likely a bad foam hose by the heater box that draws air across the cabin temp sensor. This is quite typical behavior for that failure. You can replace the foam hose with heater hose that won't fall apart. My mother's TE is showing the same symptoms, in that case due to a dead or dying aspirator motor (I have the replacement, just need to pull the glove box to fix it). Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300SD
Just had a nice chat with a fellow in the parking lot of a local parts store. He was driving a 1984 300SD and I jokingly told him he should put it away for the winter. We had a good chat about it and he says he has 600,000 miles on it now. He runs sythetic lube everywhere that he can. He pulls the fan for the winter and covers the front to keep the heat in the engine. He has swapped to a higher temperature thermostat for a Ford Diesel pickup. He has also swapped to a differential with a numerically lower ratio. He says they were geared for the 55 mph speed limit in the USA and he normally travels a good deal faster than that. The change has dropped the rpm to about 1800 at 75 mph without unduly affecting the power. Maintains the car himself and is obviously pretty knowledgeable about it. He had an accent like a lot of y'all probably do since he is originally from Illinois and has family that he visits down there regularly. Car was gray and in need of paint but apart from that, in pretty nice shape. He also says the AC blows cold! Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Jones'ing For Old Memory
If anyone has any old 512MB PC133, 144 pin SODIMM 3.3v laptop memory laying around collecting dust, drop me a note off list, please. I'm resurrecting a laptop at work for some very basic computing used (data collection from a generator controller) and I need to bump the memory up in this thing from 256M to at least 512MB or more. It can take up to 2 - 512MB SODIMMs for a total of a gig, which would be nice. TIA, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD
There's a Ford, Mazda, or Navistar thermostat that works in a OM617? I thought the 617 t-stat was rather special. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For sale - Euro '81 280SE
A W126 280SE wouldn't be particularly special to me, but a stick shift W126 sure would. I'm not buying anything right now, unless he wants to trade for a W124 w/OM602. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Irregular heating patterns - W 123, 300D
Sounds like a normal B-52 heating system, 'specially on models prior to H. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: P. Prud'homme pa...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: [MBZ] Irregular heating patterns - W 123, 300D Hello there, The heat appears to be quite irregular on any one trip, say. At first, the output is fine, cozy and then it gets cold for awhile, sometimes too long I'd say. If I turn on the fan to compensate, (1) the defrost just puts out too much heat fairly quickly and it gets kind of ridiculously too hot, (2) the bi-level control does fine at first but again, with the fan on there is suddenly no more heat for too long. Is this a problem with the monovalve, its coil or diaphragm? Thank you. Happy Thankgiving. --PT, 1981 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD
Get 'im to come aboard and give the rest of us some more tips on getting ours to 600k. Wilton - Original Message - From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: [MBZ] 300SD Just had a nice chat with a fellow in the parking lot of a local parts store. He was driving a 1984 300SD and I jokingly told him he should put it away for the winter. We had a good chat about it and he says he has 600,000 miles on it now. He runs sythetic lube everywhere that he can. He pulls the fan for the winter and covers the front to keep the heat in the engine. He has swapped to a higher temperature thermostat for a Ford Diesel pickup. He has also swapped to a differential with a numerically lower ratio. He says they were geared for the 55 mph speed limit in the USA and he normally travels a good deal faster than that. The change has dropped the rpm to about 1800 at 75 mph without unduly affecting the power. Maintains the car himself and is obviously pretty knowledgeable about it. He had an accent like a lot of y'all probably do since he is originally from Illinois and has family that he visits down there regularly. Car was gray and in need of paint but apart from that, in pretty nice shape. He also says the AC blows cold! Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I am NEVER selling on ebay again
dave walton wrote: That's how the online GSA Auctions work. They do have a weakness, however. I suppose you could make the smallest incremental bid repetitively over several hours which would cause the auction to end in the wee hours of the morning when no one else was awake or motivated enough to bid against you. Set it so a user can't bid again if they were the last bidder. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cars for sale in Wichita
Listers, My Indy usually has 5-7 cars for sale on his lot along with working on MBZ, BMW, Porsche, and others. He has two cars that might be of interest of to the list. He has a 1978 300D with 246,000 miles. It is black with the darker tan interior. I think it might be called palomino or tobacco. It looks like its in great shape. The car was purchased in Wichita, he serviced it until 1996. Then, it stayed in the family and went to Austin, TX. It really is a pretty nice car. Its not a turbo. If I could get my wife to sell her Expedition I would buy it or the next car he has for sale. Paint and interior look very nice. The second car is a 1992 300TE 4-Matic. It is a one-owner with 160,000 miles. The owner had it serviced only at the dealership. The local MB dealer told him last month that they would not work on any cars older than 1997 (that is ridiculous that they would tell a loyal customer who has been coming in for 17 years that they do not want his business!) Well, the owner got upset (understandably) and bought a different car and my Indy bought this Wagon. Its pretty clean and the valve stems/seals and have been redone. In fact, the whole top end was rebuilt a couple of years ago. It has one tiny spot of rust along the rear side windshield frame. Paint is good, but needs a detail. Nice car. The seller is Authouse Stuttgart, Wichita, KS. His number is 316-263-Auto. He wants $3000 for the 123 and $5000 for the 124 wagon. I think those prices are both too high, but he might move on the prices. They do have service records and are probably worth more than normal because there is nothing wrong with them. I have no interest in the sale. Just thought somebody might be looking for one of these. I can do a more thorough inspection if anyone wants one. I usually stop by a couple of times a week to have a smoke (pipe) and some coffee with my friend. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: photo.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 180960 bytes Desc: photo.jpg URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091125/1c9f9736/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Wagon.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 323647 bytes Desc: Wagon.JPG URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091125/1c9f9736/attachment.jpe ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Irregular heating patterns - W 123, 300D
Is the coolant full and a proper mixture? Is the thermostat going wonky? Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Irregular heating patterns - W 123, 300D Sounds like a normal B-52 heating system, 'specially on models prior to H. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: P. Prud'homme pa...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: [MBZ] Irregular heating patterns - W 123, 300D Hello there, The heat appears to be quite irregular on any one trip, say. At first, the output is fine, cozy and then it gets cold for awhile, sometimes too long I'd say. If I turn on the fan to compensate, (1) the defrost just puts out too much heat fairly quickly and it gets kind of ridiculously too hot, (2) the bi-level control does fine at first but again, with the fan on there is suddenly no more heat for too long. Is this a problem with the monovalve, its coil or diaphragm? Thank you. Happy Thankgiving. --PT, 1981 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD
Unfortunately, I did not get his name or number. I sort of wished I had afterwards. Will watch for him again as he is likely local to the area. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD Get 'im to come aboard and give the rest of us some more tips on getting ours to 600k. Wilton - Original Message - From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: [MBZ] 300SD Just had a nice chat with a fellow in the parking lot of a local parts store. He was driving a 1984 300SD and I jokingly told him he should put it away for the winter. We had a good chat about it and he says he has 600,000 miles on it now. He runs sythetic lube everywhere that he can. He pulls the fan for the winter and covers the front to keep the heat in the engine. He has swapped to a higher temperature thermostat for a Ford Diesel pickup. He has also swapped to a differential with a numerically lower ratio. He says they were geared for the 55 mph speed limit in the USA and he normally travels a good deal faster than that. The change has dropped the rpm to about 1800 at 75 mph without unduly affecting the power. Maintains the car himself and is obviously pretty knowledgeable about it. He had an accent like a lot of y'all probably do since he is originally from Illinois and has family that he visits down there regularly. Car was gray and in need of paint but apart from that, in pretty nice shape. He also says the AC blows cold! Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD
Don't knwo. Just repeating what he told me. Said he got a thermostat for a Ford Diesel pickup with a higher temperature rating. He mentioned the size of the Ford but I cannot recall with certainty what he said now. I knew an old fellow who swore that thermostats for diesel tractors were better made than most automotive stuff and would go to the local John Deere dealer and buy thermostats to put in his cars. I have never tried it so can do little more than spread gossip. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD There's a Ford, Mazda, or Navistar thermostat that works in a OM617? I thought the 617 t-stat was rather special. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] filling it up
Yes, and I had one burp as I was filling it and it blew gasoline all over my nice down jacket. Terrible smell. On 11/25/09 11:09 AM, E M wrote: Anyone else smell that? Pass me a cigarette will ya lol Ed 300E 2009/11/25 R A Bennellb...@mts.net Not as common now but I recall in the past when pick up trucks had the tank in the cab and the filler neck near the driver side door, that if one filled up in the morning when it was cool and then let the truck sit in the sun, it was common for fuel to expand enough to spillout and run down the side of the vehicle. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] filling it up did i need to say ambient to the tank, and annual average? my mistake; i figured that would have been clear enough. still, i can't see any reason why the fuel in a tank that's only ~20' underground would be cooler enough that diesel or gasoline would expand to the point where it would overflow out of a properly functioning system that hadn't been overfilled. maybe it's because i don't overfill and i've only ever had a fuel overflow once; that was with a motorcycle (that holds ~8 gallons) that had to be parked on the sidestand because of uneven ground in direct sun immediately after filling. cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Think so? When I was a kid in the summertime I'd slept in the basement because we didn't have AC and it was 10 degrees cooler down there. Why shouldn't a buried fuel tank be 10 degrees cooler than ambient, and if ambient in the morning were say 80F at 2pm it could be 100F. I don't know the expansion rate for gasoline but with even a 30 degree temp delta... -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:16:45 -0800 From: ernest breakfielderne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] filling it up To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID:4b0ce7ed.9000...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed fuel is usually stored in an underground tank, and as a result isn't likely to be very different from the average ambient temperatures at that location. filling up normally (read: not overfilling) on flat ground should never cause any spillage of fuel from a properly functioning system. cheers! e WILTON wrote: 'Possibility of that happening with gasoline or Diesel if the tank packed full of cool fuel and the vehicle is immediately parked on a hot day, especially in the sun. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 87 300SDL, 87 300D, 81 240D, 200D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jones'ing For Old Memory
I should. I'll have to dig around some. Reply to this so I've got a reminder. -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:17:41 -0800 (PST) From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Subject: [MBZ] Jones'ing For Old Memory To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com, Banned ban...@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 815643.20387...@web65701.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If anyone has any old 512MB PC133, 144 pin SODIMM 3.3v laptop memory laying around collecting dust, drop me a note off list, please. I'm resurrecting a laptop at work for some very basic computing used (data collection from a generator controller) and I need to bump the memory up in this thing from 256M to at least 512MB or more. It can take up to 2 - 512MB SODIMMs for a total of a gig, which would be nice. TIA, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] What solvent do you use in your parts washer?
I just became the owner of a parts washer and I need pro and con advice on a good solvent to use. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What solvent do you use in your parts washer?
harry watkins wrote: I just became the owner of a parts washer and I need pro and con advice on a good solvent to use. The old standby is Mineral Spirits. Diesel is too oily and stinky. Then there's all the new-fangled stuff, citrus and whatever. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What solvent do you use in your parts washer?
I have a bucket and strainer type parts washer. I use B99 Biodiesel, which is extremely effective as a solvent and environmentally friendly. I recommend it highly for this purpose. Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300TD (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics '97 F-250HD Crew Cab 7.3 Powerstroke -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] What solvent do you use in your parts washer? I just became the owner of a parts washer and I need pro and con advice on a good solvent to use. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT CO2 sequestration (was 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid)
At 02:30 PM 11/24/2009, Peter wrote: (snip) ...who wants a volcano of CO2 snow when the underground storage blows out (as it will, surely). My understanding is that the CO2 is supposed to mostly bond with what they are injecting it into. Or at least that's the plan locally where they are injecting an underlying coal seam as part of a coal bed methane extraction project. If it all works they will enhance the methane production (this is the damp gas of the old days which is being captured now rather than vented) and sequester some CO2 in the process. Here is a slide show on the project: http://www.rpsea.org/forums/uncon_winschel.pdf The North Site is on my place. CO2 injection started this summer, no problems yet. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV You can't trust God to be unmerciful. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Leaky Head Photos
Hopefully Kaleb will allows these through. Photos of the leaky head gasket. Head was leaking coolant just in front of the oil drain port. It also looks like the cylinder seal was leaking a bit also. Cylinder wall are all smooth, haven't clean the soot line to see if there is any ring rig. Regards, Robert Massmann Oregonia, Ohio 45054 1995 E300D 1985 300CD 1982 300D 1981 Rabbit Truck -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: merc_head_2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 197356 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091125/643d4a5e/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Merc_head.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 195018 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091125/643d4a5e/attachment-0001.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leaky Head Photos
No pics, they got scrubbed. Typical MB cylinder head gasket failure -- both of the diesel heads I've pulled on the 603s have had minor to significant compression leakage between cylinders and into the coolant and/or head bolt cavities (which is bad, makes them corrode and break). Dodged a bullet on the SDL, too -- broke a manifold bolt attempting to repair the exhaust where there is an inserted tube and bellows, had to pull the head to get the bolt out. Head gasket was leaking oil into #1, wouldn't have been long before it got enough oil in there to bend #!, and so forth. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leaky Head Photos
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:37:33 -0600 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: No pics, they got scrubbed. No, they did not get scrubbed. Kaleb changed back to the old way, - links at the bottom - download them with your web browser if you want to see them. That way those with slow Internet connections aren't waiting forever. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leaky Head Photos
I see the pics (links to them anyway) - don't look too bad to me, but then I'm no expert. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: No pics, they got scrubbed. Typical MB cylinder head gasket failure -- both of the diesel heads I've pulled on the 603s have had minor to significant compression leakage between cylinders and into the coolant and/or head bolt cavities (which is bad, makes them corrode and break). Dodged a bullet on the SDL, too -- broke a manifold bolt attempting to repair the exhaust where there is an inserted tube and bellows, had to pull the head to get the bolt out. Head gasket was leaking oil into #1, wouldn't have been long before it got enough oil in there to bend #!, and so forth. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leaky Head Photos
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:53:35 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I see the pics (links to them anyway) - don't look too bad to me, but then I'm no expert. The second picture shows a region that is quite bad. Just to the northeast of the brass-ringed hole in the lower left of the picture is the region that blew out from the cylinder to the cooling system. The long side of the triangular hole has a ragged edge where the combustion gasses wore away the gasket material. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cleaning the cooling system
We have a plan Looks like the head gasket replace on the 2.6 190e is going to happen next weekend (Dec 4). With a cooling system that is well oiled, what is the list wisdom regarding cooling system cleaning? Before or after the replace? Suggested products? (With as much oil as there is in this system, Tide might be a good choice.) I live where it hard freezes at night, so I think I'm either going to need some thing that works with coolant or I'm going to need something that works right now. BTW, dau #2 effing loves the car. Thanks in advance. Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leaky Head Photos
Found the pics, thanks. Yup, typical failure. Note that combustion gases are getting into the bolt holes as well. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
