Re: [MBZ] Reluctant 300D 2.5T (1992)
The fuel pump is potent enough to suck air into the lines when the tank vent is sufficiently plugged. You may never see a drop of fuel weeping and still suck in air (there is a slight difference between the viscosities of air and diesel fuel. The alternative is that the fuel tank can collapse... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 4, 2010, at 21:49, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed the whoosh when removing the filler cap pn one of the cars on occasion, but now I couldn't tell you which one it was. I haven't cleaned the tank out yet -- I don't see bubbles in the line - it doesn't act like a leaking line - it acts like it's either starved for fuel or air. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 8:38 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: Umm when you pull the cap off, does it come right off, or does it take some force to actually *pull* the cap off? (possibly accompanied by anninrush of air)? If so, check the tank vent line... When you cleaned the tank, what did the filter in the tank look like? What's the flow through the lines themselves look like? Both at the body lines and at the line into the fuel filter etc. When it's running do you see any air bubbles in the Lin -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reluctant 300D 2.5T (1992)
This might be a wild, outside chance... Has someone removed the little flow restrictor between the vacuum pump and the shutoff circuit? If somehow the shutdown is getting too much vacuum, it can restrict RPM. THis does not explain the sudden on of the situation, or why opening the fuel system cures it. But, it is easy enough to pull the vacuum line off the shutoff and try that for 2K or so. Plugged tank vent explains why the situation is ok after opening the fuel system. A less desirable possibility is the governor on the pump. I had one on a 603 that would suddenly go slow. When restarted, it would be ok, then go slow. In that situation, the governor deteriorated so fast that within 30 min or so, the engine would fire a few times, and the governor would slam the rack shut. So, the result was that the engine would start normally, fire for a revolution or two and then die. I've noticed the whoosh when removing the filler cap pn one of the cars on occasion, but now I couldn't tell you which one it was. I haven't cleaned the tank out yet -- I don't see bubbles in the line - it doesn't act like a leaking line - it acts like it's either starved for fuel or air. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 8:38 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: Umm when you pull the cap off, does it come right off, or does it take some force to actually *pull* the cap off? (possibly accompanied by anninrush of air)? If so, check the tank vent line... When you cleaned the tank, what did the filter in the tank look like? What's the flow through the lines themselves look like? Both at the body lines and at the line into the fuel filter etc. When it's running do you see any air bubbles in the Lin -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 84 300TD for sale.
If thats the worst thing wrong with it (linkage installed upside down) its a fantastic deal... -Curt Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:10:55 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 84 300TD for sale. Message-ID: l2jb8cdcef41005041010k5672912dp6c8bdd2f2413a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It will be fun figuring out why the rear wiper parks on the left rather than the right side. I think it might serve best as a pure donor car. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:04 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: And another chance to practice your paint rolling techniques. ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 84 300TD for sale. Tempting... I may even mention this to my wife. We loved our wagon but it was a disaster, it'd be nice to have one that wasn't. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reluctant 300D 2.5T (1992)
Something in the line maybe? Next time instead of replacing the filters just remove the line and put it back. Perhaps something gets pulled up against the intake in the tank and falls off when you release the line. Maybe an occasionally sticking tank vent? You didn't mention opening the filler. -Curt Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:15:53 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Reluctant 300D 2.5T (1992) Message-ID: j2q437bc981005041715k8f88993fz7f04ae3733b3b...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is the car that acted like it was fuel starved months ago - or something was wrong with the fuel system. The first episode it suddenly lost power on the highway, ended up running about 20mph at full throttle, but idled fine. It was smoking like crazy when it was moving the car. As a first attempt at a cure, after many suggestions from you fine folk, I replaced the fuel filters. The car drove great after that. About 1400 miles later, it did the same thing on the way to work. I limped the last two miles in, got a friend to take me to a parts place at lunch time, bought new filters and a can of Diesel Purge, changed the filters, and the car ran fine again. I decided that the tank needs to be cleaned, but that I could drive approx. 1000 miles between filters until I got around to draining and cleaning the tank. Our daughter was driving the car today, with only 200 miles on a new canister fuel filter, and the car started shifting hard, like a vacuum line was off, then lost power, would only go 10 mph. She parked it on a residential street, walked the last mile to work, and called us to get the car. Since I had only changed the Canister filter last time, I took a new in-line filter, changed it, and drove the car home. It ran fine. I had saved the last canister filter, and had the old in-line filter, so I cut them open to see how full of algae/bacteria they were. They didn't look bad at all. Definitely not enough stuff in there to stop the flow of fuel. There were only a few grains (6 to 8) of black stuff in the in-line filter. So I'm thinking fuel is not the issue, and changing the filters is not fixing it. I'm wondering about the air metering valve assembly - if it's not getting enough air, the effect would be similar to not getting enough fuel, and would account for the smoke I had. (Daughter didn't notice any). This intermittent stuff is sure a pain to find/fix!!! This is the car that I got from Kaleb after he'd had the IP fixed - -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Patron saint of lost causes?
Hey Fred who did you say was the patron saint of lost causes again? http://nh.craigslist.org/bar/1722632263.html Next town north from me. I may have to go check it out... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Patron saint of lost causes?
Well, it has 250k left, so you could probably get a lot of depreciation off the $750firm investment. Does New Hampster have inspection now? I thought it was still Live Free and Die up there. Must be the influence of all the massholes who moved up there to escape taxes, and brought all their bad habits with them. --R On 5/5/2010 11:33 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Hey Fred who did you say was the patron saint of lost causes again? http://nh.craigslist.org/bar/1722632263.html Next town north from me. I may have to go check it out... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 84 300TD for sale.
Moe like the tip of the proverbial iceberg, I bet... On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: If thats the worst thing wrong with it (linkage installed upside down) its a fantastic deal... -Curt Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:10:55 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 84 300TD for sale. Message-ID: l2jb8cdcef41005041010k5672912dp6c8bdd2f2413a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It will be fun figuring out why the rear wiper parks on the left rather than the right side. I think it might serve best as a pure donor car. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:04 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: And another chance to practice your paint rolling techniques. ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 84 300TD for sale. Tempting... I may even mention this to my wife. We loved our wagon but it was a disaster, it'd be nice to have one that wasn't. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Testing procedure for a nonfunctioning W123 aux. cooling fan
My 1983 300TD ran hot last weekend because the auxiliary cooling fan wasn't coming on. Could someone please tell me (step by step) how to bypass the temp sensor switch in order to test whether the fan itself is defunct, or if I have a different problem? If I need a new aux. fan is there a difference in the brands? TIA, Andrew '83 and '85 W123 300Tds ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Testing procedure for a nonfunctioning W123 aux. cooling fan
Pull the wire off the sensor and ground it to the engine (usually on the thermostat housing on a 617). Fan must run. If not, check: Replace fan fuse (25A) and verify current at the fuse. These often corrode, assume it's bad. Check connections at the low speed resistor. Repair if corroded. Pull sensor wire at thermostat housing and ground with ignition on, fan must run. If not, verify relay operation, replace if defective. You can jump the connection at the relay socket to test fan. If you get current flow (spark, hot wire) but no fan, it's bad. Check the connection at the fan as well, they sometimes get dirty or corroded as well. You can apply voltage from a spare battery directly to the fan wires at this connection to test it as well. Peter -Original Message- From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Sent: May 5, 2010 12:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Testing procedure for a nonfunctioning W123 aux. cooling fan My 1983 300TD ran hot last weekend because the auxiliary cooling fan wasn't coming on. Could someone please tell me (step by step) how to bypass the temp sensor switch in order to test whether the fan itself is defunct, or if I have a different problem? If I need a new aux. fan is there a difference in the brands? TIA, Andrew '83 and '85 W123 300Tds ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Patron saint of lost causes?
Curt. St Jude. Looks like an interesting challenge. As in May you live in interesting times. Needs front spring. Is this rotten spring mount, or is it not applicable to 123's? There was an 87 124TD in Cow Hampshire for $1250 that I lusted after, had to settle for the 190DT for $350, plus going to fetch it. That's another story. Hope springs eternal. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel Nut. On 5/5/2010 11:33 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Hey Fred who did you say was the patron saint of lost causes again? http://nh.craigslist.org/bar/1722632263.html Next town north from me. I may have to go check it out... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Testing procedure for a nonfunctioning W123 aux. cooling fan
hi Peter! i wasn't aware there was a low speed function on the W123 fan; if there is, mine's never worked. can you tell me where i might look to find this resistor on an '85? cheers! e On 05/May/10 09:35, Peter Frederick wrote: Pull the wire off the sensor and ground it to the engine (usually on the thermostat housing on a 617). Fan must run. If not, check: Replace fan fuse (25A) and verify current at the fuse. These often corrode, assume it's bad. Check connections at the low speed resistor. Repair if corroded. Pull sensor wire at thermostat housing and ground with ignition on, fan must run. If not, verify relay operation, replace if defective. You can jump the connection at the relay socket to test fan. If you get current flow (spark, hot wire) but no fan, it's bad. Check the connection at the fan as well, they sometimes get dirty or corroded as well. You can apply voltage from a spare battery directly to the fan wires at this connection to test it as well. Peter -Original Message- From: andrew strasfogelastrasfo...@gmail.com Sent: May 5, 2010 12:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Testing procedure for a nonfunctioning W123 aux. cooling fan My 1983 300TD ran hot last weekend because the auxiliary cooling fan wasn't coming on. Could someone please tell me (step by step) how to bypass the temp sensor switch in order to test whether the fan itself is defunct, or if I have a different problem? If I need a new aux. fan is there a difference in the brands? TIA, Andrew '83 and '85 W123 300Tds ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Patron saint of lost causes?
Forget sainthood, go grab it for 500. You can weld in a new spring perch if nec. Or think of St. Otto-the patron saint of Otto mobiles (I lifted that from the web.) Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Wickford, RI On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Hey Fred who did you say was the patron saint of lost causes again? http://nh.craigslist.org/bar/1722632263.html Next town north from me. I may have to go check it out... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Patron saint of lost causes?
Reminds me of Wall-E... Otto[pilot] -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 5, 2010, at 16:18, degco...@cox.net wrote: Forget sainthood, go grab it for 500. You can weld in a new spring perch if nec. Or think of St. Otto-the patron saint of Otto mobiles (I lifted that from the web.) Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Wickford, RI On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Hey Fred who did you say was the patron saint of lost causes again? http://nh.craigslist.org/bar/1722632263.html Next town north from me. I may have to go check it out... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Springs, Patron saint of lost causes?
Regarding needs front spring It probably means needs ball joints, needs shocks and maybe even needs lower control arm ... or it could mean the inspection place was attempting a ripoff. I strongly doubt it needs a spring. In any case, it probably needs ball joints, idler arm bushings, tie rod ends and new bilsteins all around. Almost every MB I ever bought needed those. That turns a POS 123 into an MB Curt. St Jude. Looks like an interesting challenge. As in May you live in interesting times. Needs front spring. Is this rotten spring mount, or is it not applicable to 123's? There was an 87 124TD in Cow Hampshire for $1250 that I lusted after, had to settle for the 190DT for $350, plus going to fetch it. That's another story. Hope springs eternal. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel Nut. On 5/5/2010 11:33 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Hey Fred who did you say was the patron saint of lost causes again? http://nh.craigslist.org/bar/1722632263.html Next town north from me. I may have to go check it out... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Patron saint of lost causes?
When I installed a vacuum operated cruise control in my 66 200D back in the early 80s, I gave the cruise control the nickname Otto As in Otto is driving. It was Germanification of the first part of Autopilot. Reminds me of Wall-E... Otto[pilot] -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 5, 2010, at 16:18, degco...@cox.net wrote: Forget sainthood, go grab it for 500. You can weld in a new spring perch if nec. Or think of St. Otto-the patron saint of Otto mobiles (I lifted that from the web.) Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Wickford, RI On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Hey Fred who did you say was the patron saint of lost causes again? http://nh.craigslist.org/bar/1722632263.html Next town north from me. I may have to go check it out... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Springs, Patron saint of lost causes?
http://www.constructivity.net/rebuilding_a_79_300td.htm --R On 5/5/2010 5:08 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Regarding needs front spring It probably means needs ball joints, needs shocks and maybe even needs lower control arm ... or it could mean the inspection place was attempting a ripoff. I strongly doubt it needs a spring. In any case, it probably needs ball joints, idler arm bushings, tie rod ends and new bilsteins all around. Almost every MB I ever bought needed those. That turns a POS 123 into an MB Curt. St Jude. Looks like an interesting challenge. As in May you live in interesting times. Needs front spring. Is this rotten spring mount, or is it not applicable to 123's? There was an 87 124TD in Cow Hampshire for $1250 that I lusted after, had to settle for the 190DT for $350, plus going to fetch it. That's another story. Hope springs eternal. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel Nut. On 5/5/2010 11:33 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Hey Fred who did you say was the patron saint of lost causes again? http://nh.craigslist.org/bar/1722632263.html Next town north from me. I may have to go check it out... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT I know I need this
http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/1726304796.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Patron saint of lost causes?
Our B-52 wing commander at Kincheloe AFB, MI, for a while was Col. Otto Kovar; we called 'im Otto Pilot. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Patron saint of lost causes? When I installed a vacuum operated cruise control in my 66 200D back in the early 80s, I gave the cruise control the nickname Otto As in Otto is driving. It was Germanification of the first part of Autopilot. Reminds me of Wall-E... Otto[pilot] -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 5, 2010, at 16:18, degco...@cox.net wrote: Forget sainthood, go grab it for 500. You can weld in a new spring perch if nec. Or think of St. Otto-the patron saint of Otto mobiles (I lifted that from the web.) Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Wickford, RI On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Hey Fred who did you say was the patron saint of lost causes again? http://nh.craigslist.org/bar/1722632263.html Next town north from me. I may have to go check it out... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT I know I need this
I wonder if one would qualify for a discount on fire insurance if that was parked in the drive? Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT I know I need this http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/1726304796.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT I know I need this
Or if my life insurance would pay off it it was parked in the drive. --R On 5/5/2010 6:14 PM, R A Bennell wrote: I wonder if one would qualify for a discount on fire insurance if that was parked in the drive? Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT I know I need this http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/1726304796.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Conn 190DT Update.
Hi, All. About the 190DT that I picked up in Connecticut on Sunday. Well it runs. That said, it ran away, howled it did. It is really difficult to shut off a runaway engine whilst running around in a panic! Shutoff did not work. Sliced the fuel line and it wound down and stopped. Whew! Went indoors, had a cup of tea to steady my nerves, and considered WTF. Removed the intake manifold to access the linkage, which appeared stuck, lubed it all, OK. Removed the shutoff vacuum pot, it was spring loaded and hard to remove. A-hah! Took off IP side plate and found rack full forward and stuck. Diddled around for a while then noticed that the shutoff fork/lever was on top of the control bar not under it, thus forcing the rack forward. Some moron had forced the lever over the control bar! Much jiggling and poking and cursing later all is as designed. It now even shuts off. Marshall was right! There is nothing more exciting (expensive) than a cheap Benz. I said to Curt about his proposed 240D purchase May you live in interesting times. Seems the Gods do have a sense of humour! Frazzled Fred Moir Lynn MA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Springs, Patron saint of lost causes?
All 3 of mine have required upper ball joints (Hammie got them twice) which are pretty easy on a 240D, probably a bit more complicated on a 300D turbo... I emailed to see if I can go see it, the rust is of course the question... -Curt Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 16:08:03 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Springs, Patron saint of lost causes? Message-ID: a0624086ec8078d389...@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Regarding needs front spring It probably means needs ball joints, needs shocks and maybe even needs lower control arm ... or it could mean the inspection place was attempting a ripoff. I strongly doubt it needs a spring. In any case, it probably needs ball joints, idler arm bushings, tie rod ends and new bilsteins all around. Almost every MB I ever bought needed those. That turns a POS 123 into an MB Curt. St Jude. Looks like an interesting challenge. As in May you live in interesting times. Needs front spring. Is this rotten spring mount, or is it not applicable to 123's? There was an 87 124TD in Cow Hampshire for $1250 that I lusted after, had to settle for the 190DT for $350, plus going to fetch it. That's another story. Hope springs eternal. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel Nut. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] patron saint of lost causes
...Hey Fred who did you say was the patron saint of lost causes again?.. St. Kaleb, I think. But I ain't Fred. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Search Every Craigslist Site at Once
http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Search_Every_Craigslist_Site_at_Once Some of you might find this useful/of interest. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reluctant 300D 2.5T (1992)
I usually associate an air leak in the supply lines with a lot cranking at start-up time. I bought a '76 300D once from a guy who tore down the engine because of a hard starting. I bought it for the rust-free body. Transferred the factory re-man engine from my rusting body into this one, and instantly had a hard-to-start car. I found a small rubbed hole where the fuel line came up into the engine compartment. Fixed it with a splice of fuel tubing, and it started instantly. Now, a collapsing tank would be a real pain. I usually fill when the gauge gets to half - so don't really have an indication of how much it holds today. The tank is at half now - when this last incident occurred. I think I'll start with the vent system. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:12 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: The fuel pump is potent enough to suck air into the lines when the tank vent is sufficiently plugged. You may never see a drop of fuel weeping and still suck in air (there is a slight difference between the viscosities of air and diesel fuel. The alternative is that the fuel tank can collapse... -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reluctant 300D 2.5T (1992)
That's easy enough to check -- and it doesn't sound like the governor is likely, I hope. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: This might be a wild, outside chance... Has someone removed the little flow restrictor between the vacuum pump and the shutoff circuit? If somehow the shutdown is getting too much vacuum, it can restrict RPM. THis does not explain the sudden on of the situation, or why opening the fuel system cures it. But, it is easy enough to pull the vacuum line off the shutoff and try that for 2K or so. Plugged tank vent explains why the situation is ok after opening the fuel system. A less desirable possibility is the governor on the pump. I had one on a 603 that would suddenly go slow. When restarted, it would be ok, then go slow. In that situation, the governor deteriorated so fast that within 30 min or so, the engine would fire a few times, and the governor would slam the rack shut. So, the result was that the engine would start normally, fire for a revolution or two and then die. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reluctant 300D 2.5T (1992)
I didn't open the filler till after I'd replaced the filter, so the test was invalid --- On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Something in the line maybe? Next time instead of replacing the filters just remove the line and put it back. Perhaps something gets pulled up against the intake in the tank and falls off when you release the line. Maybe an occasionally sticking tank vent? You didn't mention opening the filler. -Curt -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Search Every Craigslist Site at Once
crazedlist.org Rich Thomas wrote: http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Search_Every_Craigslist_Site_at_Once Some of you might find this useful/of interest. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2856 - Release Date: 05/05/10 13:26:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Springs, Patron saint of lost causes?
They aren't too bad. On an sd, the lh one is a little fun, but nothing like replacing the sway bar bushes in an sdl... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 5, 2010, at 20:19, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: All 3 of mine have required upper ball joints (Hammie got them twice) which are pretty easy on a 240D, probably a bit more complicated on a 300D turbo... I emailed to see if I can go see it, the rust is of course the question... -Curt Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 16:08:03 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Springs, Patron saint of lost causes? Message-ID: a0624086ec8078d389...@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Regarding needs front spring It probably means needs ball joints, needs shocks and maybe even needs lower control arm ... or it could mean the inspection place was attempting a ripoff. I strongly doubt it needs a spring. In any case, it probably needs ball joints, idler arm bushings, tie rod ends and new bilsteins all around. Almost every MB I ever bought needed those. That turns a POS 123 into an MB Curt. St Jude. Looks like an interesting challenge. As in May you live in interesting times. Needs front spring. Is this rotten spring mount, or is it not applicable to 123's? There was an 87 124TD in Cow Hampshire for $1250 that I lusted after, had to settle for the 190DT for $350, plus going to fetch it. That's another story. Hope springs eternal. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel Nut. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
