Re: [MBZ] W123 - How to change the PRNDL light in the console?
On 10/18/2010 11:14 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: Send Mercedes mailing list submissions to mercedes@okiebenz.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com You can reach the person managing the list at mercedes-ow...@okiebenz.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Mercedes digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: LF RR electric windows in '85 TD (Fmiser) 2. Re: LF RR electric windows in '85 TD (Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310) 3. LF RR electric windows in '85 TD (glenn brown) 4. Re: W123 tow hitch? (Mitch Haley) 5. Re: SLS level control valves [was: OM603 oil pan breech] (Frederick W Moir) 6. What's a 320 coupe worth? (Mitch Haley) 7. Re: What's a 320 coupe worth? (E M) 8. OT Detroit (Kaleb C. Striplin) 9. Re: OT Detroit (Walt Zarnoch) 10. Re: OM603 oil pan breech (OK Don) 11. Re: OM603 oil pan breech (OK Don) 12. Re: 124 Idler Arm Rebuild - grease or no grease? (OK Don) 13. Re: OM603 oil pan breech (Walt Zarnoch) 14. Re: OM603 oil pan breech (OK Don) 15. Re: OM603 oil pan breech (Walt Zarnoch) 16. Re: W123 - How to change the PRNDL light in the console? (Jim Cathey) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Andrew, it pry's toward the door--- Its just set in the side like a little hidden door. Looks just like the rest of the plastic. Maybe a good flashlight? Just like a search for the arc in Indiana Jones! (A very tiny one!) I don't think it is more than an inch square!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SLS level control valves (was: OM603 oil pan breech)
There's normally not much you can do beyond fluid and filter changes. The normal fluid is non-detergent, designed to allow crap to settle out in corners so it doesn't circulate and wear out the corrector valves, pump, and strut pressure seals. Additionally on a Citroen, the steering rack, brakes, centrifugal clutch control, transmission selector fork servos, shift control unit, carb idle speed control, and on the SM, the directional headlight servo, are all places where stuff can settle. (In case you thought the 6.9's system was complex!). On Citroëns, we occasionally run a fluid known as hydraurinçage to remove the small sediment that comes from the sphere diaphragms and seals as they break down. Hydraurinçage (about $80/gal) is designed to temporarily replace the hydraulic fluid and contains detergents to help clear the system. You run with it for a few thousand kilometres or several months, then release all pressure in the system, drain, and refill with the normal hydraulic fluid. You can order it from any of the Citroën parts resellers in the US, eg Brad Nauss in PA or Western Hemispheres in CA. http://www.westernhemispheres.com/westernh/itempg.icl?secid=4subsecid=10orderidentifier=ID12874695025625F5429794D7448dirpage=dir2curitempos=5numitems=18itmid=18897eflag=0 D. At 12:49 PM -0700 10/18/10, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Any recommendations for prolonging the life of the level control valves, other than (obviously) regular fluid changes and keeping the rest of the system in good order? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Idler Arm Rebuild - grease or no grease?
OK - Thanks for the confirmation guys. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 9:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Idler Arm Rebuild - grease or no grease? What Jamie said - that's exactly what I did. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: I've always replaced them as they come from the factory. There is a bit of white grease and thats it. Press the bushings in place and bolt it up. I think this is just to aid in installation, and perhaps prevent the bushings from seizing in place over time. Jaime -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5688 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101019/7e60170d/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LBJ woes
After consulting with the Finance Minister and the Secretary of Labor (SWMBO), I'm going to just replace the ball joints. I see that Harbor Freight has their ball joint press kits on sale, which of these three should I get? http://www.harborfreight.com/four-wheel-drive-ball-joint-service-kit-4065.ht ml http://www.harborfreight.com/3-in-1-ball-joint-u-joint-c-frame-press-service -kit-38335.html http://www.harborfreight.com/14-piece-master-ball-joint-adapter-set-66958.ht ml -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 3:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] LBJ woes I've got play in the steering, but haven't decisively narrowed it down yet (still need to replace center drag link). I tested one LBJ using a long pry bar and suitable fulcrum, perhaps I really need an assistant to do it right. Bottom line is the steering is stiff with some play, two lower ball joints are highly suspect, and a complete failure mode of wheel departing car and driver becoming passenger followed by bad and expensive noises. I'm going to replace the lower ball joints, I simply need to decide how much further to go. I need to call my indie and get some quotes. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 1:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] LBJ woes If the oel made the noise go away, and there is no play, why not just drive it? As long as there is no play, you are not in any danger to drive it. If it starts to wander, then check the ball joint for play. The inner bushings may be checked, but still working. Until it has worn to the place that it wanders more than you can stand, there is no problem. Saturday I had a few hours to work on The Project (aka '95 E300 Diesel) so I replaced the tie rod ends and steering damper and rebuilt the idler arm, and also investigated the source of the groaning noise at the right front of the car, which occurs when turning the steering wheel. Also tried to fix or diagnose the stiff steering. My conclusion is that at least on LBJ is bad (left has ripped boot) and one questionable. Left has black boot, quite aged and torn. Right has newer looking boot, brown in color, which is intact. I injected about 1 mL of ATF into the right side, which cured the noise IF that was the cause vice a tie rod end (replaced tie rods and injected at the same time, had the car up on jack stands and wheel off). Stiffness seems a little better. Right side LBJ has no play as far as I can tell. My dilemma; how far do I go? Whole hog rebuild of lower control arms including the inner bushings? They are old and checkered looking, probably original with 275k miles on them. I don't want to drive the car too much until the LBJ's are done, and I'm tempted to have a garage do the work, as I don't own the spring tool nor the LBJ press nor the special tool for the inner bushings. I'll bet the bill will be around $300 for just the LBJs, which I think is a fair price but I'm getting sick and tired of sinking money into this car. Anyone know the book time for LBJ's and inner bushings on the lower control arms? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 330k miles '95 E300 275k miles (project) '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5688 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101018/40 3c67e7/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5688 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101019/4b020186/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search
Re: [MBZ] LF RR electric windows in '85 TD
I think that more than one fuse is involved in electric windows. As I recall, there are at least two, which power the windows in a split configuration exactly like your failure (LF and RR = one fuse, RF and LR = 2nd fuse). Don't forget the accordion joint for the RR door. You may have to pull a door panel or two again, testing periodically, to figure out exactly what causes the power (or ground) to come and go. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of glenn brown Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:22 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] LF RR electric windows in '85 TD I just changed the fuse in the #12 position (electric windows) and jiggled the wire bundle/harness in the neoprene bellows which goes through the LF door and neither produced success when the electric window rocker was depressed. A detail I hadn't mentioned - the RF LR electric windows operate fine. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LBJ woes
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: After consulting with the Finance Minister and the Secretary of Labor (SWMBO), I'm going to just replace the ball joints. I see that Harbor Freight has their ball joint press kits on sale, which of these three should I get? http://www.harborfreight.com/3-in-1-ball-joint-u-joint-c-frame-press-service-kit-38335.html http://www.harborfreight.com/four-wheel-drive-ball-joint-service-kit-4065.html The first two look like the same press, just vary in the adapters supplied. The third is an adapter set. I suspect if you bought all three you might still find yourself making a custom adapter, but let's wait until somebody who has been there and done that responds. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What's a 320 coupe worth?
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: No interest, wrong color. http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/2006799626.html only 500 brought to the states Balderdash. Not even the 124 convertibles are that rare. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LBJ woes
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Re: [MBZ] What's a 320 coupe worth?
Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: No interest, wrong color. http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/2006799626.html only 500 brought to the states I'm thinking more than 500 in 1994 alone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LBJ woes
Just the C-clamp thingy. I've had to make adapters out of water pipe. Slitting and welding was required in my case. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LBJ woes
damper and rebuilt the idler arm, and also investigated the source of the groaning noise at the right front of the car, which occurs when turning the steering wheel. Also tried to fix or diagnose the stiff steering. My conclusion is that at least on LBJ is bad (left has ripped boot) and one questionable. Left has black boot, quite aged and torn. Right has newer looking boot, brown in color, which is intact. I injected about 1 mL of ATF into the right side, which cured the noise IF that was the cause vice a tie rod end (replaced tie rods and injected at the same time, had the car up on jack stands and wheel off). Stiffness seems a little better. Right side LBJ has no play as far as I can tell. My dilemma; how far do I go? Whole hog rebuild of lower control arms including the inner bushings? They are old and checkered looking, probably original with 275k miles on them. I don't want to drive the car too much until the LBJ's are done, and I'm tempted to have a garage do the work, as I don't own the spring tool nor the LBJ press nor the special tool for the inner bushings. I'll bet the bill will be around $300 for just the LBJs, which I think is a fair price but I'm getting sick and tired of sinking money into this car. Anyone know the book time for LBJ's and inner bushings on the lower control arms? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 330k miles '95 E300 275k miles (project) '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5688 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101018/40 3c67e7/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5688 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101019/4b020186/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 560 SEL, again
So one of the suspension struts is leaking badly, I lost a full quart in a couple of days. These things re-sealable? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LBJ woes
(aka '95 E300 Diesel) so I replaced the tie rod ends and steering damper and rebuilt the idler arm, and also investigated the source of the groaning noise at the right front of the car, which occurs when turning the steering wheel. Also tried to fix or diagnose the stiff steering. My conclusion is that at least on LBJ is bad (left has ripped boot) and one questionable. Left has black boot, quite aged and torn. Right has newer looking boot, brown in color, which is intact. I injected about 1 mL of ATF into the right side, which cured the noise IF that was the cause vice a tie rod end (replaced tie rods and injected at the same time, had the car up on jack stands and wheel off). Stiffness seems a little better. Right side LBJ has no play as far as I can tell. My dilemma; how far do I go? Whole hog rebuild of lower control arms including the inner bushings? They are old and checkered looking, probably original with 275k miles on them. I don't want to drive the car too much until the LBJ's are done, and I'm tempted to have a garage do the work, as I don't own the spring tool nor the LBJ press nor the special tool for the inner bushings. I'll bet the bill will be around $300 for just the LBJs, which I think is a fair price but I'm getting sick and tired of sinking money into this car. Anyone know the book time for LBJ's and inner bushings on the lower control arms? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 330k miles '95 E300 275k miles (project) '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5688 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101018/40 3c67e7/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5688 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101019/4b020186/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Herr Doktor Props on TV
Just saw the begining of Night of the Living Dead on AMC and there was Herr Doktor's name as the sound engineer. RIP Marshall. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LBJ woes
Jim, Will your adapters work on a 124 and are you willing to rent them? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] LBJ woes Just the C-clamp thingy. I've had to make adapters out of water pipe. Slitting and welding was required in my case. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5688 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101019/84fbb636/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LF RR electric windows in '85 TD
On 18/10/2010 5:32 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I would look for clues in the door, but it is possible that a wire going through the door into the body pillar might be work hardened to the breaking point. The relay is possible. Bear in mind that BOTH windows are on the same fuse. Have you put in a new fuse? While taking the door upholstery apart on my newly acquired '85 300TD in order to use rust converter and undercoating/rustproofing on the interior of the doors, I started with the LF door the other day and the electric windows for this door and the RR door stopped working after reassembly. I figured it may be the ice cube size window relay up behind the instrument cluster, as I had this problem with my '84 300D some years ago and unplugging and replugging this relay resolved the problem. But since there doesn't seem enough room to get my paws in behind the instrument cluster to disconnect the speedometer, oil pressure line, and electrical connector in order that I may remove the instrument cluster and deal with the window relay. I pulled the LF door upholstery back off today in order to check the electric window ground and voltage. Ground is good and, when I was measuring the voltage across the terminal block on the door the electric window motor was making some faint noises as if it was trying to operate. I thought that to be odd, disconnected my voltmeter and operated the LF electric window switch and the bloody window operated. I checked the RR window and it operated as well. I reassembled the LF door upholstery and you guessed it, the LF and RR windows are inoperative again. Clue(s)? TIA. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com I might be way behind on this as I have yet to read all of the posts on the subject, but have you tried cleaning the switches? My wife's now gone Toyota Avalon developed a problem in the driver's door window and I obtained the new motor but discovered when I had the door apart that the motor was fine. Tested it with jumpers and it worked fine. Traced power back and determined that the switch was not working well. Sprayed with contact cleaner and worked it a bit and then sent the new motor back. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Herr Doktor Props on TV
Bob Rentfro wrote: Just saw the begining of Night of the Living Dead on AMC and there was Herr Doktor's name as the sound engineer. RIP Marshall. What's the sound engineer's name? August? Marshall? A. Marchall? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Herr Doktor Props on TV
Marshall Booth On Oct 19, 2010 8:49 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Just saw the begining of Night of the Living Dead on AMC and there was Herr Doktor's name as the sound engineer. RIP Marshall. What's the sound engineer's name? August? Marshall? A. Marchall? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LBJ woes
If the oel made the noise go away, and there is no play, why not just drive it? As long as there is no play, you are not in any danger to drive it. If it starts to wander, then check the ball joint for play. The inner bushings may be checked, but still working. Until it has worn to the place that it wanders more than you can stand, there is no problem. Saturday I had a few hours to work on The Project (aka '95 E300 Diesel) so I replaced the tie rod ends and steering damper and rebuilt the idler arm, and also investigated the source of the groaning noise at the right front of the car, which occurs when turning the steering wheel. Also tried to fix or diagnose the stiff steering. My conclusion is that at least on LBJ is bad (left has ripped boot) and one questionable. Left has black boot, quite aged and torn. Right has newer looking boot, brown in color, which is intact. I injected about 1 mL of ATF into the right side, which cured the noise IF that was the cause vice a tie rod end (replaced tie rods and injected at the same time, had the car up on jack stands and wheel off). Stiffness seems a little better. Right side LBJ has no play as far as I can tell. My dilemma; how far do I go? Whole hog rebuild of lower control arms including the inner bushings? They are old and checkered looking, probably original with 275k miles on them. I don't want to drive the car too much until the LBJ's are done, and I'm tempted to have a garage do the work, as I don't own the spring tool nor the LBJ press nor the special tool for the inner bushings. I'll bet the bill will be around $300 for just the LBJs, which I think is a fair price but I'm getting sick and tired of sinking money into this car. Anyone know the book time for LBJ's and inner bushings on the lower control arms? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 330k miles '95 E300 275k miles (project) '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5688 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101018/40 3c67e7/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5688 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101019/4b020186/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LBJ woes
, then check the ball joint for play. The inner bushings may be checked, but still working. Until it has worn to the place that it wanders more than you can stand, there is no problem. Saturday I had a few hours to work on The Project (aka '95 E300 Diesel) so I replaced the tie rod ends and steering damper and rebuilt the idler arm, and also investigated the source of the groaning noise at the right front of the car, which occurs when turning the steering wheel. Also tried to fix or diagnose the stiff steering. My conclusion is that at least on LBJ is bad (left has ripped boot) and one questionable. Left has black boot, quite aged and torn. Right has newer looking boot, brown in color, which is intact. I injected about 1 mL of ATF into the right side, which cured the noise IF that was the cause vice a tie rod end (replaced tie rods and injected at the same time, had the car up on jack stands and wheel off). Stiffness seems a little better. Right side LBJ has no play as far as I can tell. My dilemma; how far do I go? Whole hog rebuild of lower control arms including the inner bushings? They are old and checkered looking, probably original with 275k miles on them. I don't want to drive the car too much until the LBJ's are done, and I'm tempted to have a garage do the work, as I don't own the spring tool nor the LBJ press nor the special tool for the inner bushings. I'll bet the bill will be around $300 for just the LBJs, which I think is a fair price but I'm getting sick and tired of sinking money into this car. Anyone know the book time for LBJ's and inner bushings on the lower control arms? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 330k miles '95 E300 275k miles (project) '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5688 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101018/40 3c67e7/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5688 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101019/4b020186/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Farm And Food Industry Groups Oppose EPA Decision On Corn-Based Ethanol
Farm And Food Industry Groups Oppose EPA Decision On Corn-Based Ethanol Washington DC (SPX) Oct 19, 2010 A coalition of farm and food industry trade associations representing every step of the food chain from meat and poultry producers, restaurants, bakers to other food manufacturers has issued the following statement in response to the Environmental Protection Agency's announcement that it would allow the sale of gasoline containing 15 percent ethanol (E15) for cars manufactured in the 2007 model year or later. E15 - which would be a 50 percent increase from the currently permitted level of 10 percent ethanol in gasoline - will result in dramatic increases in the portion of the U.S. corn crop used to make fuel rather than food and, when fully implemented, could result in more than 40 percent of the nation's corn crop being diverted to ethanol production. The corn ethanol industry has received over $30 billion in federal subsidies over the last three decades. These farm and food industry groups criticized the decision, noting that it is certain to accelerate the recent dramatic rise in corn prices, and questioned whether the EPA decision is legally sound. Members of the Coalition include the American Meat Institute, the Grocery Manufacturers Association, the National Council of Chain Restaurants, the National Chicken Council, the American Frozen Food Institute, the American Bakers Association, the National Meat Association and the National Turkey Federation. The Coalition commented: The EPA's decision will have an impact on American farmers, food manufacturers and, most importantly, American consumers, who will face price increases at the grocery store and when they go out to eat in a restaurant. EPA took this step without sufficient regard for the inevitable effect on the price of food and feed. The Coalition continued: After decades of federal subsidies and fuel mandates, the corn-based ethanol industry should stand on its own two feet and stop depending on the United States taxpayer for unneeded and unwarranted support. Enough is enough. Responses from Members of the Coalition American Meat Institute President and CEO J. Patrick Boyle said: USDA's recent estimate that corn production for this year was going to be 3.4 percent less than 2009 has sent corn prices higher. This will put pressure on the meat and poultry supply which will lead to higher food prices for consumers. For those consumers worried about climbing food prices, this decision will increase the amount of corn being diverted to our gas tanks and away from meat and poultry production. It's unfortunate that EPA acted hastily and approved the use of E15, and now the American consumer will pay for it at the grocery store. Grocery Manufacturers Association Vice President for Federal Affairs Scott Faber said: We are disappointed in the Administration's decision to allow more ethanol in gasoline before truly sustainable advanced biofuels are commercially available. Not only will this decision adversely affect millions of consumers who don't drive brand new cars, but also countless Americans who are struggling to feed their families in a slowly recovering economy. Recent spikes in corn prices due to supply concerns will only be exacerbated by this decision. National Council of Chain Restaurants Vice President Scott Vinson said: Economists were already forecasting higher food prices over the coming year, and the decision by the EPA is sure to make the situation even worse. The restaurant industry's small business franchisees are already struggling to make it as the economy tries to recover, and more piling on by the federal government is the last thing they need. National Chicken Council President George Watts said: Rising grain prices driven by the voracious demand for feedstock from the heavily subsidized ethanol industry caused an increase of six percent in the retail price of fresh whole broiler chickens from 2008 to 2010. Channeling even more corn into ethanol will, in time, only drive up the cost of chicken even more. Consumers will end up paying for the ethanol industry's demands. It is time to put an end to government mandates and interference in the market that raise the price of corn. American Bakers Association President and CEO Robb MacKie said: EPA's decision to increase the ethanol blend to E15 will further increase volatility in the grain markets. Other grains, including wheat, may increasingly be in shorter supply; potentially this may impact food prices in the future as the nation continues to lose wheat acreage. ABA strongly opposes this ill advised decision and calls on EPA to consult with relevant government agencies to carefully study how this would impact market volatility, to review the science behind the decision and analyze the economic impact on the already weakened economy. National Meat Association CEO Barry Carpenter said: EPA's action regarding
Re: [MBZ] 1986 Mercedes Diesel Motorhome $5500
This thread is worthless without pics. -Rolf On 10/17/2010 10:51 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Mountain Manmaontin@gmail.com wrote: Alex wrote: Looks fine from the outside---wish they'd provided interior pictures and a litle more description. How did you see any pictures? It says the listing has been removed. mao Well, it was up when I posted. Showed a nice-looking red and tan motorhome on one of those big cabover chassis that is sometimes mistaken for a Unimog but isn't one---403? 406? Your guess is as good as mine why it was flagged---I didn't see anything shady or otherwise unusual about the ad. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where the tach is attached to the transmission
Partially incorrect. 85 300TD the tach pick up is on the mating plate on the drivers side about 3/4 of the way up. -Rolf On 10/18/2010 09:35 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The tach does not attach to the transmission, but the speedo cable does. The speedo cable attaches at the rear of the tranny, drivers side. You do not need to remove it there to get the cluster out. I have never had a problem getting my hand back behind the cluster to unscrew the cable. You usually have to unplug the big round electrical cable first, that will let you turn it to the side a bit more to get your hand back there. On 10/18/2010 8:26 AM, glenn brown wrote: Can someone direct me to where the tach is attached to the transmission on an '85 300TD? My left front and right rear windows are inoperative and I suspect the ice cube sized relay behind the instrument cluster but the instrument cluster won't move far enough to allow my hand to enter. TIA. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3204 - Release Date: 10/18/10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where the tach is attached to the transmission
Threadjack, how hard would it be to retrofit a proper Mercedes tach pickup on a 617? I remember it being a new harmonic balancer with the pin and the pickup, but this talk of being on the trans intrigues me since I'm in that area already... Walt. On Oct 19, 2010 5:44 PM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: Partially incorrect. 85 300TD the tach pick up is on the mating plate on the drivers side about 3/4 of the way up. -Rolf On 10/18/2010 09:35 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The tach does not attach to the transmission, but the speedo cable does. The speedo cable atta... Can someone direct me to where the tach is attached to the transmission on an '85 300TD? My l... - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1136 / ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.ok... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Farm And Food Industry Groups Oppose EPA Decision On Corn-Based Ethanol
Try this one too: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304772804575558322880140784.html Why, one might think that there is a some political aspect to the great ethanol solution! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Farm And Food Industry Groups Oppose EPA Decision On Corn-Based Ethanol
So, they are proposing that food should be produced below cost with gummit subsidies. No thanks! This may be the first year since 1976 or 77 that farmers have had a profitable year, despite low cop yields. There is a reason that fewer farmers are left each year. Most have held on as long as they can, but it is nearly impossible for anyone to start farming on a full time basis and produce a family living, much less a reasonable return on investment. The fact is that very few of those on this list eat #2 yellow corn. The feed value is still there after the starched are fermented. DDG is a very popular feed for livestock. See: http://ncga.com/ethanol-resources-0 In particular, the links at the end of the list: Renewable fuels assoc. Granted, this is all slanted in favor of Cargill ADM and Bunge. But The ethanol industry has been the best thing to happen to the farm economy. It added competition to the grain market besides the big 3. Now, rather than the only hope of survival being the farm subsidies, farms have a chance of marketing to buyers other than the big three. If you eat, you should be interested in food supplies not controlled by RJ Reynolds and other tobacco companies, and not touched by ADM, Cargill , and conagra. The ethanol industry has put a crack in the stranglehold the big three have had on our food supply for decades. I'd rather have locally grown food, and that can't exist without the grower being able to make a living. Farm And Food Industry Groups Oppose EPA Decision On Corn-Based Ethanol Washington DC (SPX) Oct 19, 2010 A coalition of farm and food industry trade associations representing every step of the food chain from meat and poultry producers, restaurants, bakers to other food manufacturers has issued the following statement in response to the Environmental Protection Agency's announcement that it would allow the sale of gasoline containing 15 percent ethanol (E15) for cars manufactured in the 2007 model year or later. E15 - which would be a 50 percent increase from the currently permitted level of 10 percent ethanol in gasoline - will result in dramatic increases in the portion of the U.S. corn crop used to make fuel rather than food and, when fully implemented, could result in more than 40 percent of the nation's corn crop being diverted to ethanol production. The corn ethanol industry has received over $30 billion in federal subsidies over the last three decades. These farm and food industry groups criticized the decision, noting that it is certain to accelerate the recent dramatic rise in corn prices, and questioned whether the EPA decision is legally sound. Members of the Coalition include the American Meat Institute, the Grocery Manufacturers Association, the National Council of Chain Restaurants, the National Chicken Council, the American Frozen Food Institute, the American Bakers Association, the National Meat Association and the National Turkey Federation. The Coalition commented: The EPA's decision will have an impact on American farmers, food manufacturers and, most importantly, American consumers, who will face price increases at the grocery store and when they go out to eat in a restaurant. EPA took this step without sufficient regard for the inevitable effect on the price of food and feed. The Coalition continued: After decades of federal subsidies and fuel mandates, the corn-based ethanol industry should stand on its own two feet and stop depending on the United States taxpayer for unneeded and unwarranted support. Enough is enough. Responses from Members of the Coalition American Meat Institute President and CEO J. Patrick Boyle said: USDA's recent estimate that corn production for this year was going to be 3.4 percent less than 2009 has sent corn prices higher. This will put pressure on the meat and poultry supply which will lead to higher food prices for consumers. For those consumers worried about climbing food prices, this decision will increase the amount of corn being diverted to our gas tanks and away from meat and poultry production. It's unfortunate that EPA acted hastily and approved the use of E15, and now the American consumer will pay for it at the grocery store. Grocery Manufacturers Association Vice President for Federal Affairs Scott Faber said: We are disappointed in the Administration's decision to allow more ethanol in gasoline before truly sustainable advanced biofuels are commercially available. Not only will this decision adversely affect millions of consumers who don't drive brand new cars, but also countless Americans who are struggling to feed their families in a slowly recovering economy. Recent spikes in corn prices due to supply concerns will only be exacerbated by this decision. National Council of Chain Restaurants Vice President Scott Vinson said: Economists were already forecasting higher food prices over the coming year, and the decision by the EPA is sure to make the situation
[MBZ] LF RR electric windows in '85 TD
I deserve 5 demerits! Since a couple listers seemed determined that the LF/RR window inoperation may be due to a fuse problem. I took another look and this time actually read the fuse diagram/layout correctly as fuse A is for the RF/LR and fuse B is for the LF/RR windows. Well, fuse A was quite corroded and when replaced all is fine . . . I know, I know, don't rub it in too much. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
92-year-old friend told me yesterday at lunch that his 99 E430 would not start a shopping center last Sat. - no response from key in START position. He called one of his employees to help him. They had helluva time finding battery under rear seat. After finally finding bat., they still were unsuccessful in trying to jump start the car. They left the car at shopping center; stealer picked it up yesterday afternoon. Now, my question: Does the car have a more easily accessible terminal(s) under the hood for jumping that could preclude removing rear seat for access to the battery? Surely those fine German engineers could provide a simpler way for what traditionally has been such a simple procedure. ;))) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
I don't know, but I'm sure there is Wilton. A friend last Spring, had to call me over while the CAA guy was there to give his Boxster a jump start. Battery was deal, and they couldn't figure out how to energy the system from outside, to work the electric hood release switch to get to the battery. hee hee. Of course, being German, there was a simple way. They think of everything. ;-) Ed 300E On 19 October 2010 19:50, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 92-year-old friend told me yesterday at lunch that his 99 E430 would not start a shopping center last Sat. - no response from key in START position. He called one of his employees to help him. They had helluva time finding battery under rear seat. After finally finding bat., they still were unsuccessful in trying to jump start the car. They left the car at shopping center; stealer picked it up yesterday afternoon. Now, my question: Does the car have a more easily accessible terminal(s) under the hood for jumping that could preclude removing rear seat for access to the battery? Surely those fine German engineers could provide a simpler way for what traditionally has been such a simple procedure. ;))) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
Dunno about that 124, but all of em I have seen have a terminal block on the inner fender. The R107 all had this AFIK. 92-year-old friend told me yesterday at lunch that his 99 E430 would not start a shopping center last Sat. - no response from key in START position. He called one of his employees to help him. They had helluva time finding battery under rear seat. After finally finding bat., they still were unsuccessful in trying to jump start the car. They left the car at shopping center; stealer picked it up yesterday afternoon. Now, my question: Does the car have a more easily accessible terminal(s) under the hood for jumping that could preclude removing rear seat for access to the battery? Surely those fine German engineers could provide a simpler way for what traditionally has been such a simple procedure. ;))) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
Manual says there is a + terminal under the hood, I am assuming it will be true for the '99 as well, under a flip cover with a plus sign and a circle around it. http://pdfservicemanual.com/automotive/2000-mercedes-benz-e-class-operators-manual-e320-e430-e55-amg Keep cool, -Tim On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Dunno about that 124, but all of em I have seen have a terminal block on the inner fender. The R107 all had this AFIK. 92-year-old friend told me yesterday at lunch that his 99 E430 would not start a shopping center last Sat. - no response from key in START position. He called one of his employees to help him. They had helluva time finding battery under rear seat. After finally finding bat., they still were unsuccessful in trying to jump start the car. They left the car at shopping center; stealer picked it up yesterday afternoon. Now, my question: Does the car have a more easily accessible terminal(s) under the hood for jumping that could preclude removing rear seat for access to the battery? Surely those fine German engineers could provide a simpler way for what traditionally has been such a simple procedure. ;))) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Farm And Food Industry Groups Oppose EPA Decision On Corn-Based Ethanol
Dieselhead wrote: If you eat, you should be interested in food supplies not controlled by RJ Reynolds and other tobacco companies, and not touched by ADM, Cargill , and conagra. The ethanol industry has put a crack in the stranglehold the big three have had on our food supply for decades. I'd rather have locally grown food, and that can't exist without the grower being able to make a living. I don't like ADM and their likes. Whatever to kill the likes of ADM / Monsanto - I say have at it. These people have no humanity, and have nothing good in their business practices that says anything other than improve their bottom line. These are evil companies. What are the ethanol company names? What seed companies are connected to ethanol production? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
For something to clip the negative end of the cable to, just reach in the fenderwell and feel around for the ragged end of the rusted-out spring perch. On 10/19/10, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: Manual says there is a + terminal under the hood, I am assuming it will be true for the '99 as well, under a flip cover with a plus sign and a circle around it. http://pdfservicemanual.com/automotive/2000-mercedes-benz-e-class-operators-manual-e320-e430-e55-amg Keep cool, -Tim On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Dunno about that 124, but all of em I have seen have a terminal block on the inner fender. The R107 all had this AFIK. 92-year-old friend told me yesterday at lunch that his 99 E430 would not start a shopping center last Sat. - no response from key in START position. He called one of his employees to help him. They had helluva time finding battery under rear seat. After finally finding bat., they still were unsuccessful in trying to jump start the car. They left the car at shopping center; stealer picked it up yesterday afternoon. Now, my question: Does the car have a more easily accessible terminal(s) under the hood for jumping that could preclude removing rear seat for access to the battery? Surely those fine German engineers could provide a simpler way for what traditionally has been such a simple procedure. ;))) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sent from my mobile device ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LBJ woes
Will your adapters work on a 124 and are you willing to rent them? I'm told a 201 is the same, which is what I used it on. I'm not sure I could even _find_ the thing, given the current disarray in the garage. I'll look later. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
DPO (seller) of our latest 107 had pulled apart the battery box to put it on charge. Way easier to access the terminal block on the inner fender, of course... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
99 E430 is a 210, isn't it? My 124 and 126 have batteries sitting right there in plain sight in the the usual place at right, rear of engine compartment. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start Dunno about that 124, but all of em I have seen have a terminal block on the inner fender. The R107 all had this AFIK. 92-year-old friend told me yesterday at lunch that his 99 E430 would not start a shopping center last Sat. - no response from key in START position. He called one of his employees to help him. They had helluva time finding battery under rear seat. After finally finding bat., they still were unsuccessful in trying to jump start the car. They left the car at shopping center; stealer picked it up yesterday afternoon. Now, my question: Does the car have a more easily accessible terminal(s) under the hood for jumping that could preclude removing rear seat for access to the battery? Surely those fine German engineers could provide a simpler way for what traditionally has been such a simple procedure. ;))) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
'Zackly my thought. Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start Manual says there is a + terminal under the hood, I am assuming it will be true for the '99 as well, under a flip cover with a plus sign and a circle around it. http://pdfservicemanual.com/automotive/2000-mercedes-benz-e-class-operators-manual-e320-e430-e55-amg Keep cool, -Tim On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Dunno about that 124, but all of em I have seen have a terminal block on the inner fender. The R107 all had this AFIK. 92-year-old friend told me yesterday at lunch that his 99 E430 would not start a shopping center last Sat. - no response from key in START position. He called one of his employees to help him. They had helluva time finding battery under rear seat. After finally finding bat., they still were unsuccessful in trying to jump start the car. They left the car at shopping center; stealer picked it up yesterday afternoon. Now, my question: Does the car have a more easily accessible terminal(s) under the hood for jumping that could preclude removing rear seat for access to the battery? Surely those fine German engineers could provide a simpler way for what traditionally has been such a simple procedure. ;))) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
'Bout what I thought, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start For something to clip the negative end of the cable to, just reach in the fenderwell and feel around for the ragged end of the rusted-out spring perch. On 10/19/10, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: Manual says there is a + terminal under the hood, I am assuming it will be true for the '99 as well, under a flip cover with a plus sign and a circle around it. http://pdfservicemanual.com/automotive/2000-mercedes-benz-e-class-operators-manual-e320-e430-e55-amg Keep cool, -Tim On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Dunno about that 124, but all of em I have seen have a terminal block on the inner fender. The R107 all had this AFIK. 92-year-old friend told me yesterday at lunch that his 99 E430 would not start a shopping center last Sat. - no response from key in START position. He called one of his employees to help him. They had helluva time finding battery under rear seat. After finally finding bat., they still were unsuccessful in trying to jump start the car. They left the car at shopping center; stealer picked it up yesterday afternoon. Now, my question: Does the car have a more easily accessible terminal(s) under the hood for jumping that could preclude removing rear seat for access to the battery? Surely those fine German engineers could provide a simpler way for what traditionally has been such a simple procedure. ;))) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sent from my mobile device ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
Indeed! Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start DPO (seller) of our latest 107 had pulled apart the battery box to put it on charge. Way easier to access the terminal block on the inner fender, of course... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
BTW, I scolded friend a bit today for not calling me to help with the car; instead, he called somebody who knows NOTHING about it. If nothing else, I could have used my AAA to have the car taken home, etc., 'stead of leaving it exposed in a large parking lot for over 2 days. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start 'Zackly my thought. Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start Manual says there is a + terminal under the hood, I am assuming it will be true for the '99 as well, under a flip cover with a plus sign and a circle around it. http://pdfservicemanual.com/automotive/2000-mercedes-benz-e-class-operators-manual-e320-e430-e55-amg Keep cool, -Tim On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Dunno about that 124, but all of em I have seen have a terminal block on the inner fender. The R107 all had this AFIK. 92-year-old friend told me yesterday at lunch that his 99 E430 would not start a shopping center last Sat. - no response from key in START position. He called one of his employees to help him. They had helluva time finding battery under rear seat. After finally finding bat., they still were unsuccessful in trying to jump start the car. They left the car at shopping center; stealer picked it up yesterday afternoon. Now, my question: Does the car have a more easily accessible terminal(s) under the hood for jumping that could preclude removing rear seat for access to the battery? Surely those fine German engineers could provide a simpler way for what traditionally has been such a simple procedure. ;))) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LF RR electric windows in '85 TD
You are lucky that YOUR pistons didn't MELT. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:35 PM, glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: I deserve 5 demerits! Since a couple listers seemed determined that the LF/RR window inoperation may be due to a fuse problem. I took another look and this time actually read the fuse diagram/layout correctly as fuse A is for the RF/LR and fuse B is for the LF/RR windows. Well, fuse A was quite corroded and when replaced all is fine . . . I know, I know, don't rub it in too much. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LF RR electric windows in '85 TD
Or WORSE Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:21:35 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] LF RR electric windows in '85 TD You are lucky that YOUR pistons didn't MELT. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:35 PM, glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: I deserve 5 demerits! Since a couple listers seemed determined that the LF/RR window inoperation may be due to a fuse problem. I took another look and this time actually read the fuse diagram/layout correctly as fuse A is for the RF/LR and fuse B is for the LF/RR windows. Well, fuse A was quite corroded and when replaced all is fine . . . I know, I know, don't rub it in too much. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
Probably figured you were too young to be working on such old cars. :) -Tim On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:11 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: BTW, I scolded friend a bit today for not calling me to help with the car; instead, he called somebody who knows NOTHING about it. If nothing else, I could have used my AAA to have the car taken home, etc., 'stead of leaving it exposed in a large parking lot for over 2 days. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start 'Zackly my thought. Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start Manual says there is a + terminal under the hood, I am assuming it will be true for the '99 as well, under a flip cover with a plus sign and a circle around it. http://pdfservicemanual.com/automotive/2000-mercedes-benz-e-class-operators-manual-e320-e430-e55-amg Keep cool, -Tim On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Dunno about that 124, but all of em I have seen have a terminal block on the inner fender. The R107 all had this AFIK. 92-year-old friend told me yesterday at lunch that his 99 E430 would not start a shopping center last Sat. - no response from key in START position. He called one of his employees to help him. They had helluva time finding battery under rear seat. After finally finding bat., they still were unsuccessful in trying to jump start the car. They left the car at shopping center; stealer picked it up yesterday afternoon. Now, my question: Does the car have a more easily accessible terminal(s) under the hood for jumping that could preclude removing rear seat for access to the battery? Surely those fine German engineers could provide a simpler way for what traditionally has been such a simple procedure. ;))) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Farm And Food Industry Groups Oppose EPA Decision On Corn-Based Ethanol
I just have this fundamental issue with putting more energy into making energy than you get out of the made energy, while disrupting markets in the process with incentives or subsidies or whatever that screw the taxpayer and benefit other groups, quite inefficiently. Politics meets technology with the expected results. --R On 10/19/2010 7:32 PM, Dieselhead wrote: So, they are proposing that food should be produced below cost with gummit subsidies. No thanks! This may be the first year since 1976 or 77 that farmers have had a profitable year, despite low cop yields. There is a reason that fewer farmers are left each year. Most have held on as long as they can, but it is nearly impossible for anyone to start farming on a full time basis and produce a family living, much less a reasonable return on investment. The fact is that very few of those on this list eat #2 yellow corn. The feed value is still there after the starched are fermented. DDG is a very popular feed for livestock. See: http://ncga.com/ethanol-resources-0 In particular, the links at the end of the list: Renewable fuels assoc. Granted, this is all slanted in favor of Cargill ADM and Bunge. But The ethanol industry has been the best thing to happen to the farm economy. It added competition to the grain market besides the big 3. Now, rather than the only hope of survival being the farm subsidies, farms have a chance of marketing to buyers other than the big three. If you eat, you should be interested in food supplies not controlled by RJ Reynolds and other tobacco companies, and not touched by ADM, Cargill , and conagra. The ethanol industry has put a crack in the stranglehold the big three have had on our food supply for decades. I'd rather have locally grown food, and that can't exist without the grower being able to make a living. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] underhood batt connection
Now, my question: Does the car have a more easily accessible terminal(s) under the hood for jumping that could preclude removing rear seat for access to the battery? Surely those fine German engineers could provide a simpler way for what traditionally has been such a simple procedure. ; ))) Undoubtedly. These days most MB batteries (sealed) are either inaccessible or obstructed. My C300 has a brass ground post and a slide-cover protected 12V connecter. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
Well, it's not like some goober would get in and get it going to steal it. --R On 10/19/2010 9:11 PM, WILTON wrote: BTW, I scolded friend a bit today for not calling me to help with the car; instead, he called somebody who knows NOTHING about it. If nothing else, I could have used my AAA to have the car taken home, etc., 'stead of leaving it exposed in a large parking lot for over 2 days. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Pining for a 6.9 (was: SLS level ctrl valves)
All this talk about level control valves has me pining for a 6.9, possibly with that gas guzzler ripped out and replaced with an OM617 turbo from a 123 wagon (so it has the pump). But then again, the car would be much more fun with twice the horsepower! There's been one on CL for $1500 that is VERY NEARBY. Says the car's in reasonable shape, no rust (California), runs OK but needs chains. I have avoided going to see it because I'm pretty sure I'd have trouble stopping myself... Tell me I should stop myself... D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pining for a 6.9 (was: SLS level ctrl valves)
Don't! Stop! Don't! Stop! Don't stop don't stop --R On 10/19/2010 10:32 PM, David Bruckmann wrote: All this talk about level control valves has me pining for a 6.9, possibly with that gas guzzler ripped out and replaced with an OM617 turbo from a 123 wagon (so it has the pump). But then again, the car would be much more fun with twice the horsepower! There's been one on CL for $1500 that is VERY NEARBY. Says the car's in reasonable shape, no rust (California), runs OK but needs chains. I have avoided going to see it because I'm pretty sure I'd have trouble stopping myself... Tell me I should stop myself... D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pining for a 6.9 (was: SLS level ctrl valves)
Hey, I love those old Q cars too, but rea$onable $hape should be rea$on enough to run away! It really is one of those cars where you buy the best one you can find. It's the only affordable way to buy one. They are kind of special, so I like to see these cars preserved, or restored to what they were originally. There are lots of ordinary old 450 SEL/SEs kicking around, that are good starting points for projects. I kind of hate to see the more rare models parted out, unless they're just a write off. If that turns out to be the case with this car, I think you should drop a 6.3 or a 6.9 into your W123 wagon. I think that would make a much more interesting project. ;-) Call me an old softy. Ed 300E On 19 October 2010 22:32, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.cawrote: All this talk about level control valves has me pining for a 6.9, possibly with that gas guzzler ripped out and replaced with an OM617 turbo from a 123 wagon (so it has the pump). But then again, the car would be much more fun with twice the horsepower! There's been one on CL for $1500 that is VERY NEARBY. Says the car's in reasonable shape, no rust (California), runs OK but needs chains. I have avoided going to see it because I'm pretty sure I'd have trouble stopping myself... Tell me I should stop myself... D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
Just break all the windows out. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start Well, it's not like some goober would get in and get it going to steal it. --R On 10/19/2010 9:11 PM, WILTON wrote: BTW, I scolded friend a bit today for not calling me to help with the car; instead, he called somebody who knows NOTHING about it. If nothing else, I could have used my AAA to have the car taken home, etc., 'stead of leaving it exposed in a large parking lot for over 2 days. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
Ah dint do nuffin! --R On 10/19/2010 11:08 PM, WILTON wrote: Just break all the windows out. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start Well, it's not like some goober would get in and get it going to steal it. --R On 10/19/2010 9:11 PM, WILTON wrote: BTW, I scolded friend a bit today for not calling me to help with the car; instead, he called somebody who knows NOTHING about it. If nothing else, I could have used my AAA to have the car taken home, etc., 'stead of leaving it exposed in a large parking lot for over 2 days. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Farm And Food Industry Groups Oppose EPA Decision On Corn-Based Ethanol
If you want a litre of gas here with 10% ethanol in it today, it will cost you $1.08.1. It's ok for the minivan, but if you want the premium, no ethanol stuff, it will cost you upwards of $1.25. That's a litre boys, not a gallon! lol Ed 300E, with a taste for premium. On 19 October 2010 22:16, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote: I just have this fundamental issue with putting more energy into making energy than you get out of the made energy, while disrupting markets in the process with incentives or subsidies or whatever that screw the taxpayer and benefit other groups, quite inefficiently. Politics meets technology with the expected results. --R On 10/19/2010 7:32 PM, Dieselhead wrote: So, they are proposing that food should be produced below cost with gummit subsidies. No thanks! This may be the first year since 1976 or 77 that farmers have had a profitable year, despite low cop yields. There is a reason that fewer farmers are left each year. Most have held on as long as they can, but it is nearly impossible for anyone to start farming on a full time basis and produce a family living, much less a reasonable return on investment. The fact is that very few of those on this list eat #2 yellow corn. The feed value is still there after the starched are fermented. DDG is a very popular feed for livestock. See: http://ncga.com/ethanol-resources-0 In particular, the links at the end of the list: Renewable fuels assoc. Granted, this is all slanted in favor of Cargill ADM and Bunge. But The ethanol industry has been the best thing to happen to the farm economy. It added competition to the grain market besides the big 3. Now, rather than the only hope of survival being the farm subsidies, farms have a chance of marketing to buyers other than the big three. If you eat, you should be interested in food supplies not controlled by RJ Reynolds and other tobacco companies, and not touched by ADM, Cargill , and conagra. The ethanol industry has put a crack in the stranglehold the big three have had on our food supply for decades. I'd rather have locally grown food, and that can't exist without the grower being able to make a living. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Farm And Food Industry Groups Oppose EPA Decision On Corn-Based Ethanol
ADM is a big ethanol producer, and verasun was bought out of bankruptcy (at the loss for hundreds of farmers) by Valero, an oil company. Most of the others are farmer and coop owned. See http://www.ethanolrfa.org/bio-refinery-locations/ You will see that Valero and ADM and cargill own big ones, POET owns the most and most of the rest are owned by locally owned LLCs. Poet extorted 20 million out of the state of Iowa's funds and they are not even an iowa company. Poet grew out of a farm operation, not wall street monkeys, so that is something good about them. Dieselhead wrote: If you eat, you should be interested in food supplies not controlled by RJ Reynolds and other tobacco companies, and not touched by ADM, Cargill , and conagra. The ethanol industry has put a crack in the stranglehold the big three have had on our food supply for decades. I'd rather have locally grown food, and that can't exist without the grower being able to make a living. I don't like ADM and their likes. Whatever to kill the likes of ADM / Monsanto - I say have at it. These people have no humanity, and have nothing good in their business practices that says anything other than improve their bottom line. These are evil companies. What are the ethanol company names? What seed companies are connected to ethanol production? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pining for a 6.9 (was: SLS level ctrl valves)
Go for it! We need a resident 6.9! You are well informed and deserving! All this talk about level control valves has me pining for a 6.9, possibly with that gas guzzler ripped out and replaced with an OM617 turbo from a 123 wagon (so it has the pump). But then again, the car would be much more fun with twice the horsepower! There's been one on CL for $1500 that is VERY NEARBY. Says the car's in reasonable shape, no rust (California), runs OK but needs chains. I have avoided going to see it because I'm pretty sure I'd have trouble stopping myself... Tell me I should stop myself... D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Farm And Food Industry Groups Oppose EPA Decision On Corn-Based Ethanol
fact check? I just have this fundamental issue with putting more energy into making energy than you get out of the made energy, while disrupting markets in the process with incentives or subsidies or whatever that screw the taxpayer and benefit other groups, quite inefficiently. Politics meets technology with the expected results. --R On 10/19/2010 7:32 PM, Dieselhead wrote: So, they are proposing that food should be produced below cost with gummit subsidies. No thanks! This may be the first year since 1976 or 77 that farmers have had a profitable year, despite low cop yields. There is a reason that fewer farmers are left each year. Most have held on as long as they can, but it is nearly impossible for anyone to start farming on a full time basis and produce a family living, much less a reasonable return on investment. The fact is that very few of those on this list eat #2 yellow corn. The feed value is still there after the starched are fermented. DDG is a very popular feed for livestock. See: http://ncga.com/ethanol-resources-0 In particular, the links at the end of the list: Renewable fuels assoc. Granted, this is all slanted in favor of Cargill ADM and Bunge. But The ethanol industry has been the best thing to happen to the farm economy. It added competition to the grain market besides the big 3. Now, rather than the only hope of survival being the farm subsidies, farms have a chance of marketing to buyers other than the big three. If you eat, you should be interested in food supplies not controlled by RJ Reynolds and other tobacco companies, and not touched by ADM, Cargill , and conagra. The ethanol industry has put a crack in the stranglehold the big three have had on our food supply for decades. I'd rather have locally grown food, and that can't exist without the grower being able to make a living. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 99 E430 jump start
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:00:00 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 99 E430 is a 210, isn't it? My 124 and 126 have batteries sitting right there in plain sight in the the usual place at right, rear of engine compartment. The battery in my 124 (1994 E420) is in the trunk on the right side. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SLS level control valves [was: OM603 oil pan breech]
Frederick W Moir wrote: I'd love some photos, please. http://host-a.net/fmiser/ There's a bunch of other files there too. The photos of the SLS valve are cryptically named. s123-sls-valve... Enjoy. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
