Re: [MBZ] Yokohama tires was: I just discovered something about the '94 E420 ...
> OK Don wrote: > A narrower tire has less air resistance at speed - not > insignificant in fuel economy. Rolling resistance - yes. _Air_ resistance? I'm not so sure. It's spinning, it's "in" a fender, a wider tire does not contribute to a larger frontal area. Are you sure? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I saw
a brand new black S600 at the grocery store this evening. It was very nice. I bought a megamillions ticket, maybe tomorrow I can go buy a couple of them. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Well, my discovery was found hidden in the 900 page owners manual which may take me the rest of my life to finish reading it. Boring I know and sure not like the good ole days! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, E M wrote: > Wonderful car, even if you can only manage 130mph in it. I won't ask how > you "just learned" it will only do 130mph. ;-) hee hee > > Ed > 300E > > On 4 January 2011 21:37, John Freer wrote: > >> Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. >> My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! >> >> John >> >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote: >> >> ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher >> levels >> >> of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from >> >> the US >> >> market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire >> >> life... >> >> >> > That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and >> they >> > were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were >> > replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their >> plans. >> > This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but >> that's >> > just a guess. >> > >> > So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not >> > covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we >> have >> > H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My >> C300 >> > could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops >> > accelerating. >> > >> > RLE >> >> >> >> >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more holes
"The buick straight 8 was produced from 1931 to 1953" A guy I knew in HS had a 30something buick straight 8. It was a phenomenal car. The only buick I ever wanted was a big old Buick straight 8 like that one. Unfortunately, being a dumb HS kid, he over revved it too much and snapped the crank. It had a sound all its own. > ...Beg pardon, weren't those holes originally where the exhaust come out of the hood? Sure was a straight eight in there for a long time in the 30's & 40's! All the holes were on one side in those days, and had an exhaust header going through them, eh?.. You are thinking of my friend CB's Bugatti 35B. Looks like the Buick holes appeared in 1949. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Wonderful car, even if you can only manage 130mph in it. I won't ask how you "just learned" it will only do 130mph. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 4 January 2011 21:37, John Freer wrote: > Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. > My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! > > John > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote: > >> ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher > levels > >> of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from > >> the US > >> market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire > >> life... > >> > > That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and > they > > were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were > > replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their > plans. > > This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but > that's > > just a guess. > > > > So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not > > covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we > have > > H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My > C300 > > could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops > > accelerating. > > > > RLE > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] home schooling
> ...Tutoring is never mass education, therefore we can surmise that mass > > education is a compromise to attain some objective. Dumb the plebes? > > mao.. > Who determines if the parent is qualified to teach, that's #1, and whether they have the knowledge required for each subject, #2? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
Yeah, I just learned that my new to me 07 S550 is governed at 130 MPH. My 86 190 2.6 would do batter than that! John On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote: >> ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher levels >> of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from >> the US >> market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire >> life... >> > That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and they > were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were > replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their plans. > This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but that's > just a guess. > > So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not > covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we have > H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My C300 > could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops > accelerating. > > RLE >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
And resources - who's the tutor? On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > OK Don wrote: > > Provide them with some eductaion, as opposed to being tutored by their > > parents - > > I have no issue with tutoring, I just don't see it as an alternative to > mass > > schooling. > > The world's best and brightest have all been tutored. > It becomes a matter of objective - expensive, or best. > mao-- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
OK Don wrote: > Provide them with some eductaion, as opposed to being tutored by their > parents - > I have no issue with tutoring, I just don't see it as an alternative to mass > schooling. The world's best and brightest have all been tutored. It becomes a matter of objective - expensive, or best. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 / OM617 questions
Curt Raymond wrote: 116 surprised me by having a side cut security key like a 201... My 116 doesn't, but the ignition cylinder has been replaced. The one Autohaus is selling for 201/124 looks like my '92 300d, not side cut like my '86/'87 W201s. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] slipped belts
If I can put 20k on tires that are free... Our beaters now eat exclusively used tires. The better (summer) cars usually get new ones. I've had slipped belts, plenty of 'em. I like to think of them all as forms of tread separation: the classical separation is something that works fine at low speeds, but as centrifugal force throws the tread away from the carcass it gets lumpy at speed. The 'slip' is really the same, but it's a tread separation in such a way as to induce a non-straight tread, which usually wobbles at all speeds, and usually worse at low to medium speeds. It's the separation that allows the slip, you see. Or in other words, call it a slip or not, it depends on which axis of motion the belt is now allowed by the separation. It's possible that at some point there were manufacturing defects where the belt slipped out of place _without_ any separation going on, but when's the last time anybody ever saw one of those? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
Provide them with some eductaion, as opposed to being tutored by their parents - I have no issue with tutoring, I just don't see it as an alternative to mass schooling. On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > OK Don wrote: > > And probably the most expensive way to accomplish mass education... > > Tutoring is never mass education, therefore we can surmise that mass > education is a compromise to attain some objective. Dumb the plebes? > mao > -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yokohama tires was: I just discovered something about the '94 E420 ...
A narrower tire has less air resistance at speed - not insignificant in fuel economy. On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Supermileage vehicles all have very narrow tires. like 2" Very small > > contact patch. 2-3 sq. in. per tire. You don't win mileage contests > with > > 215/55 of any brand. > > > > The Honda Insight, the highest-mpg car of the past 20 years or so, > came stock with 165s, absurdly narrow by modern standards. Even a > 2011 Chevy Aveo crapbox comes with 185s according to Tire Rack. > > Alex-- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] slipped belts
I suppose but I've driven a helluva lot of woods roads and only had one flat and that was because my mother (of all people right?) was going to fast and put a stick (small tree really) through the sidewall on her Jeep. I've never bought used tires but the snows on my '83 240D were ones Dwight GAVE me... If I can put 20k on tires that are free... -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:54:04 -0600 From: Fmiser To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] slipped belts Message-ID: <20110104185404.9ed80a6c.fmi...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Curt Raymond wrote: > I also want to know what you guys do to your tires. Maybe we have just been driving longer. Youngster. *grin* Or maybe you drive on real roads. You know, ones with pavement. I also have used quite a few used tires. Some came on the cars I bought, others I buy. If I can get half the life o a new tire and spend $15... -- Philip, beater driver ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] W123 / OM617 questions
And 79, at least... but not 77. Not sure about 78. Jaime On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > yes, in 1980 they did. > > > On 1/4/2011 7:10 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > >> 116 surprised me by having a side cut security key like a 201... >> >> -Curt >> >> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:33:37 -0500 >> From: Mitch Haley >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 / OM617 questions >> Message-ID:<4d238421.9060...@voyager.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> andrew strasfogel wrote: >> >>> I believe Autohaus Arizona is selling new tumblers with generic key (non >>> VIN-matching) for $15 or less. >>> >> I see an aftermarket one for $17 with two keys for W201 and W124. >> A different aftermarket one, same price, for W123. >> For W116, they've got factory with one key for $70. >> I didn't realize W123 and W116 were different. >> >> Mitch. >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> - >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3359 - Release Date: 01/04/11 >> >> >> > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, > 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 / OM617 questions
yes, in 1980 they did. On 1/4/2011 7:10 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: 116 surprised me by having a side cut security key like a 201... -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:33:37 -0500 From: Mitch Haley To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 / OM617 questions Message-ID:<4d238421.9060...@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed andrew strasfogel wrote: I believe Autohaus Arizona is selling new tumblers with generic key (non VIN-matching) for $15 or less. I see an aftermarket one for $17 with two keys for W201 and W124. A different aftermarket one, same price, for W123. For W116, they've got factory with one key for $70. I didn't realize W123 and W116 were different. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3359 - Release Date: 01/04/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now this is more like it....PHX CL Grosser
probably for parts On 1/4/2011 12:06 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: For parts or as a daily driver? On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Kaleb C. Striplinwrote: I think I am going to fly down and buy that. On 1/1/2011 8:36 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ctd/213815.html Makes that 6.3 look like a wreck. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] slipped belts
Dont pay any attention to Loren, all the cold and and corn has fried his brain. On 1/4/2011 10:26 AM, Dieselhead wrote: HAHAHAHAHA my apologies to the list; in spite of historical evidence to the contrary, i made the mistake once again of trying to give an anonobot the benefit of the doubt that they might be capable of having a civil discussion. sadly, as seems common of those who can't/won't even sign their own posts, they've instead stooped to insults and sweeping generalities in the time it would take them to do a quick search to discover they're simply mistaken and out of date and/or provide any evidence to the contrary. (it's not the first time; at this rate it looks like it might not be the last.) cheers! e On 03/Jan/11 19:26, Dieselhead wrote: dear Mr/Mrs/Ms Ernie, or whoever you really are: A tire wobbling sideways, as you described is caused by slipped belts. You undoubtedly are used to living in your own little world, so you can call it whatever you want. But the rest of the world call belts that have slipped slipped belts! What a concept! ear Mr/Mrs/Ms Dieselhead, with all due regard, it sounds like what you're calling "slipped belts" is actually separation or possibly even other issues. your broad definition below of what you call a slip might account for at least some of the reason that you're reported this happening so much to you, but losing a ply completely is clearly something more than a "slip" to most people. note that some sources in the tire business will even say that there is "no such thing as a slipped belt" since the earliest days of radial tire manufacturing, so it would seem the definition you're suggesting isn't universal. also, sorry, but in your previous description of the Yokohama failure you wrote, you stated that it already had several hundreds of miles on it (with no mention of the heat cycles it had before failure), so it doesn't seem that's exactly a valid example to compare to a new tire. frankly, even taking into account your broad definition of the term "slipped", seeing anyone report having experienced any issue as much as you have this one would make me wonder if there isn't some other influence at play. cheers! e On 03/Jan/11 15:17, Dieselhead wrote: As Philip said, you described slipped belts. Because the tires were "new" does not mean they didn't have slipped belts. My "New" jokohama that flew apart slipped a belt too. Only that one slipped it clear off the carcass. The carcass still held air. Any tire that wobbnles or sounds like a wobble (Noise at 1x rotation freq.) has a slipped belt. i suspect we have different definitions of what is a "slipped belt"; it's a commonly misused term. i don't believe it's possible for a belt to "slip" when it's molded into a tire, and as i understand it manufacturing techniques for modern radial tires have made it unlikely for many years that a belt could "slip" during manufacturing. while it may be possible to have separation, i don't believe that was the case in the tires i spoke of; the fact that they didn't all even suffer the same problem leads me to be inclined to believe that they were simply manufactured poorly. i'd be more likely to suspect separation after they had some time/miles on them, but these were so fresh they still had the preservative and mold nubs on the tread face. cheers! e On 03/Jan/11 12:31, Fmiser wrote: ernest breakfield wrote: i got a set of (5) wheels that came with another model of Wrangler (GSAs) on them that had a mixed tread that were almost unused, and some of those tires were out of round while others were out of true. while they would all balance up fine, there was no way to put any 4 of them on the ground without bumps or wobbles. i've never experienced a "slipped belt" in any tire (yet!). heh. I think you did. Your description of the not-round tires sure sounds like a slipped belt to me! --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archiv
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb special 240D
yea, I saw that, most likely needs an engine rebuild, not glow plugs. On 1/3/2011 10:08 PM, OK Don wrote: This one is just crying for Kaleb to rescue it -- I have NO interest. http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/2141107195.html -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] torpedo heaters
So trade it in on a new filled one. That's what I did with all of mine a long time ago when they first changed all that. They take them and put a new valve on it, clean and paint and use them again. Manfred Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 19:29:17 -0500 From: Allan Streib To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] torpedo heaters Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rich Thomas writes: > Do you have a tractor supply store nearby? They have a bulk tank and > will fill your bbq tank or whatever you have. Any propane suppliers > around? They will do it too, just charge by the pound. I was > swapping my tank at Lowes for like $17, but now that I discovered TS > no more on that. Also if your tanks are old and don't have the government mandated "safety valve" you can't get them refilled. I still have one tank like that. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wow it sold, I guess the market for 115's is going up
Dude, if you got one like that in that color when you get ready to sell it let me know. On 1/3/2011 7:19 PM, David Bruckmann wrote: As an owner of almost the identical puke-green (Caledonia Green to be official) W115 300D, I can't believe someone paid $4500 for that thing, with cracked dash and door panels, split seat covers, etc. That means mine, completely rust-free with lower mileage, original paint, and a completely new interior, must be worth at least $7k, right? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220715929633&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWNA%3AUS%3A1123 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - computer issues
But Kaleb that makes sure that no one feels bad because they have only broken junk while others have nice stuff. Manfred Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:40:46 -0600 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - computer issues Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Oh yea, I forgot they want them to take paper towels and such. As mentioned by others, it all goes into a big pot. Even the crayons and such do now days here. Back in my day, your crayons were your crayons. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] two sets
> ...If someone really cares that much about having a excellent summer tire > (and > is willing to buy winter tires), nothing is stopping them from buying > them. > > Jaime.. > Which is precisely what I did which seems to p*** of one or two here. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] H rated and governors
> ...I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher levels > of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from > the US > market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire > life... > That's about it. In 1992 the 140 came with at least V-rated tires and they were included in the 50K mile warranty. MB soon found out that they were replacing them at least twice during warranty which was not in their plans. This may have been related to the 1992 front suspension problems but that's just a guess. So, the next year they used H-rated tires (longer life, cheaper and not covered by MB warranty) and governed the cars to 130mph which is why we have H-rated tires and 130mph governors today. Except on certain models. My C300 could manage about 150mph eventually but at 130mph the car just stops accelerating. RLE > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 / OM617 questions
116 surprised me by having a side cut security key like a 201... -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:33:37 -0500 From: Mitch Haley To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 / OM617 questions Message-ID: <4d238421.9060...@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed andrew strasfogel wrote: > I believe Autohaus Arizona is selling new tumblers with generic key (non > VIN-matching) for $15 or less. I see an aftermarket one for $17 with two keys for W201 and W124. A different aftermarket one, same price, for W123. For W116, they've got factory with one key for $70. I didn't realize W123 and W116 were different. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] holes and more holes
> ..Yes, the 8 holer was the straight 8 Buick, and it was magnificent. > The exhaust flex pipes came out the holes... > What year Buick was this, pray tell? RLE > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] slipped belts
> Curt Raymond wrote: > I also want to know what you guys do to your tires. Maybe we have just been driving longer. Youngster. *grin* Or maybe you drive on real roads. You know, ones with pavement. I also have used quite a few used tires. Some came on the cars I bought, others I buy. If I can get half the life o a new tire and spend $15... -- Philip, beater driver ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more holes
> ...Beg pardon, weren't those holes originally where the exhaust come out > of the hood? Sure was a straight eight in there for a long time in > the 30's & 40's! > > All the holes were on one side in those days, and had an exhaust > header going through them, eh?.. > You are thinking of my friend CB's Bugatti 35B. Looks like the Buick holes appeared in 1949. RLE > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] who was it that was talking about Buick fender gills
Saw a Buick with the fender vents at the bank today, looked to be a V6. Walt On Jan 4, 2011 7:37 PM, "Robert Bigham" wrote: > Hey folks, > > The Buicks I remember had round ventiports, or rectangular > ventiports with rounded corners (a whole lot like an oval track) > or elliptical ventiports, or maybe other shapes,depending on year > model. There may have been some square ones very early. > > The first idea was to have a flashing light in each of 8 ventiports > (four on each side, with the flashing related to the spark plugs > of the straight eight engine firing) but that idea was scrapped. > > Or so the story goes. > > There were indeed three holers and four holers (on each side). > > Three holers were Buick Specials (Series 40) or Supers (Series 50). > Four on a side originally marked the Roadmaster (Series 70). > > My Buick Roadmaster will pass anything on the road but a gas station. > > In the mid-1950's Buick revived the Century (Series 60), which had > the Roadmaster engine in the Special body, and would pass almost > anything on the road, and gave them four holes. > > But none of this pointed JC Whitney junk, IIRC. There may be something > in worse taste, but I can't think of it right now. > > Nuf Sed. Ed > > >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: who was it that was talking about the Buick fender gills. >> (Dieselhead) >> 4. Re: who was it that was talking about the Buick fender gills. >> (E M) >> 5. Re: who was it that was talking about the Buick fender gills. >> (Dieselhead) >> >>Message: 1 >>Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:38:49 -0600 >>From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> >>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] who was it that was talking about the Buick fender >> gills. >> >>What a moron. 3 on each fender is a "6 holer" meaning a 6 cylinder. >>The 560 V-8 is an "8 holer" in bu-ick terminology. If you are >>going to be moron enough to put brick holes on an MB, at least don't >>be such a moron that you can't count holes. That is a double Moron. >> >> >>Message: 4 >>Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:21:57 -0500 >>From: E M >>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] who was it that was talking about the Buick fender >> gills. >> >>Hey if they're already in that deep, why not go for 6 holes on each side, >>and slap a V12 badge on the trunk while they're at it. >> >>Message: 5 >>Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:15:05 -0600 >>From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> >>Subject: Re: [MBZ] who was it that was talking about the Buick fender >> gills. > >>Woger? >> >>>Who knows why I remember stuff like this but Buick named those things >>>"Cruiseliner Ventiports" >>> >>>BTW, I was driving I-5 yesterday in the Seattle area and passed a Maserati >>>sedan...a rare enough sight. To my surprise the thing had Cruiseliner >>>Ventiports! >>> >>>Greg >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com ] >>>On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin >>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 3:53 PM >>>To: mercedes Mailing List >>>Subject: [MBZ] who was it that was talking about the Buick fender gills. >>> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] who was it that was talking about Buick fender gills
Hey folks, The Buicks I remember had round ventiports, or rectangular ventiports with rounded corners (a whole lot like an oval track) or elliptical ventiports, or maybe other shapes,depending on year model. There may have been some square ones very early. The first idea was to have a flashing light in each of 8 ventiports (four on each side, with the flashing related to the spark plugs of the straight eight engine firing) but that idea was scrapped. Or so the story goes. There were indeed three holers and four holers (on each side). Three holers were Buick Specials (Series 40) or Supers (Series 50). Four on a side originally marked the Roadmaster (Series 70). My Buick Roadmaster will pass anything on the road but a gas station. In the mid-1950's Buick revived the Century (Series 60), which had the Roadmaster engine in the Special body, and would pass almost anything on the road, and gave them four holes. But none of this pointed JC Whitney junk, IIRC. There may be something in worse taste, but I can't think of it right now. Nuf Sed. Ed >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: who was it that was talking about the Buick fender gills. > (Dieselhead) > 4. Re: who was it that was talking about the Buick fender gills. > (E M) > 5. Re: who was it that was talking about the Buick fender gills. > (Dieselhead) > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:38:49 -0600 >From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> >>Subject: Re: [MBZ] who was it that was talking about the Buick fender > gills. > >What a moron. 3 on each fender is a "6 holer" meaning a 6 cylinder. >The 560 V-8 is an "8 holer" in bu-ick terminology.If you are >going to be moron enough to put brick holes on an MB, at least don't >be such a moron that you can't count holes. That is a double Moron. > > >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:21:57 -0500 >From: E M >>Subject: Re: [MBZ] who was it that was talking about the Buick fender > gills. > >Hey if they're already in that deep, why not go for 6 holes on each side, >and slap a V12 badge on the trunk while they're at it. > >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:15:05 -0600 >From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] who was it that was talking about the Buick fender > gills. >Woger? > >>Who knows why I remember stuff like this but Buick named those things >>"Cruiseliner Ventiports" >> >>BTW, I was driving I-5 yesterday in the Seattle area and passed a Maserati >>sedan...a rare enough sight. To my surprise the thing had Cruiseliner >>Ventiports! >> >>Greg >> >>-Original Message- >>From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] >>On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin >>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 3:53 PM >>To: mercedes Mailing List >>Subject: [MBZ] who was it that was talking about the Buick fender gills. >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Free Budgeting Software
No, I think I remember that he was self employed and that he also did his own taxes, and he spent time each year finding a new wrinkle in the tax code with which he could 'educate' the auditors. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 4:33 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Free Budgeting Software On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 10:39:45 -0500 "Max Dillon" wrote: > Repeat same pattern for years 4 and 5, with the "mistake" in the IRS > favor getting bigger and bigger each year, and they finally got the > hint and left him alone. He was a little sad - very competitive fellow > and really enjoyed the "battle" each year which would drag out over > days and days. Was he retired? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1979 Mercedes - $1200 (Orlando, FL)
My 80 and 81 have 6 digit miles. rolls over at a million. In FL 1,063k is possible Who knows? probably not really 63k 263,000 miles? My 1979 W116 has a 999,999.9 mile odometer. What does a 1979 240D have? Mitch. Fred Moir wrote: Not mine, etc. 1979 Mercedes Date: 2011-01-04, 3:00PM 1979 Mercedes 240D 63,000 miles asking 1200 obo please call 4074239661 * Location: Orlando, FL * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/2143541172.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1979 Mercedes - $1200 (Orlando, FL)
263,000 miles? My 1979 W116 has a 999,999.9 mile odometer. What does a 1979 240D have? Mitch. Fred Moir wrote: Not mine, etc. 1979 Mercedes Date: 2011-01-04, 3:00PM 1979 Mercedes 240D 63,000 miles asking 1200 obo please call 4074239661 * Location: Orlando, FL * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/2143541172.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: 1979 Mercedes - $1200 (Orlando, FL)
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Re: [MBZ] Oh Kaleb!
Dieselhead wrote: Kiwis can make anything out of anything, quickly, cheaply, and fearlessly. This quote from andrew belongs in the quotes page! Seconded. M ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Oh Kaleb!
Kiwis can make anything out of anything, quickly, cheaply, and fearlessly. This quote from andrew belongs in the quotes page! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] low end tires for low end cars
Yeah, the Maybach tires are unique to that model, though I'm sure shared in size with other similar type cars. An S Class not really being a similar type car, but rather a mass produced high end car. I've read that originally, the W140 was intended to have higher levels of performance, but after lots of complains about tire wear (mostly from the US market), they kind of dumbed down the performance, to give better tire life. If you want a tire that will allow a 5000+ car to hussle around corners, don't expect the tires to go 50,000 miles. Ed 300E On 4 January 2011 15:36, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > Maybach tires are not the same as the S class... I can remember back in the > day when we worked on the Maybach development we had quite a difficult time > getting snow tires for it. Things have changed since 2002 for that size, I > suppose. > > S class has standard 18" wheels, even the S600. Not sure about AMG cars. > > As for the continental tires... they probably use them since more customers > will complain about how fast good tires wear out, compared to how longer > lasting all seasons handle poorly. I'm sure cost played a role, but > customer satisfaction and service also was a consideration. We switched > from the summer contis to all seasons because we were going through them > too > fast. The handling difference was drastic, but it just isn't practical for > your average driver. > > If someone really cares that much about having a excellent summer tire (and > is willing to buy winter tires), nothing is stopping them from buying them. > > Jaime > > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:03 PM, E M wrote: > > > I think the tires on the 002 were always special order, about $5000 a > piece > > when they were new. There were two versions, road and off road. I think > > the off road has been dropped, and the road can be had, special order, > and > > of course, for a price. In today's dollars, I would image a lot more > than > > $5000 a piece. I think the tires on a Bugatti go for something like > > $20,000 > > each, and wear out a lot faster than on the 002 I would imagine. > > > > Lambo messed around with fitting their v12 marine engine in the 002, as > > some > > felt it was underpowered with the Countach engine. Apparently, the added > > weight of the large marine engine off set any power gains. > > > > Yeah, I guess the Maybach is a pretty common tire for that type of car. > I > > know a lot of the mechanical bits were sourced from the S Class, which in > > years to come, might be a good thing for anyone wanting to run or restore > > one. Easier, or cheaper than restoring something like a 600 SWB. Trim > > bits > > might be another story though. But as they say, if things like money > make > > a > > difference, all of the above probably aren't the cars to be driving. hee > > hee > > > > Ed > > 300E > > > > On 4 January 2011 11:52, Alex Chamberlain > wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:23 AM, E M wrote: > > > > Problem is though, I think they're dumping the Maybach brand in a > > couple > > > of > > > > years, then getting tires for it will be about as easy as getting > tires > > > for > > > > a Lamborghini 002. > > > > > > > > > > Not quite that hard, I think. ;) Tire Rack lists 31 choices in > > > 275/45-20 for a Maybach 62S. > > > > > > If you choose Lamborghini for the make, the LM002 doesn't even come up > > > in the pop-up menu for model. Interestingly, the '85 Countach is > > > listed as taking 205/50-15 in the front and 345/35-15 in the back, the > > > latter of which are unavailable. > > > > > > I'm guessing if you have an LM002, it is either sitting undriven in > > > your personal museum, or you have enough money to have custom wheels > > > made that take ordinary tires. I bet the latter is what Tina Turner > > > did with hers when she had a Mercedes engine and transmission dropped > > > in it. (< > > > > > > http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/21/private-dancer-tina-turner-s-mercedes-powered-lambo-lm002/ > > > ) > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ h
Re: [MBZ] torpedo heaters
Kiwis can make anything out of anything, quickly, cheaply, and fearlessly. On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > I suppose, but I don't really want to be the one to find out... > > There was a kiwi that made a little stove out of one, used it to heat his > hot tub. I've got a couple old valve ones at camp, when they're empty I'm > considering it... > > -Curt > > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:57:41 -0600 > From: OK Don > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] torpedo heaters > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > What about using an old propane tank for a "topsider"? If you burn out all > the propane that you can, then pull a vacuum, followed by filling with > water, would it be safe enough to drill/weld? > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: > > > Try bringing it to the local welding gas place, some of them will > > credit you for an old style tank. > > > > Walt-- > > > > OK Don > 2001 ML320 > 1992 300D 2.5T > 1990 300D 2.5T > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] schooling
OK Don wrote: > And probably the most expensive way to accomplish mass education... Tutoring is never mass education, therefore we can surmise that mass education is a compromise to attain some objective. Dumb the plebes? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] slipped belts
Yeah I'm with Peter, who cares what you call it, the tires screwed up thats all that counts. I also want to know what you guys do to your tires. The only time I've ever had tire problems were when I picked up a nail... My '83 240D did have one tire (well at least one) that wasn't round but that was after it had sat for a year or so. It was fine until you exceeded 55mph at which point it would thunder the car all like somebody was beating it with a jackhammer... I had 4 more tires so I just put them on and threw the old ones away, they were 4+ years old anyway at that point and just cheapie snowtires so it wasn't worth my time to diagnose. -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 10:23:10 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] slipped belts Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And despite symantics - a tire not turning smoothly on the ground needs to be replaced with one that does, and the point of the discussion was what tires turn smoothly on the ground. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] low end tires for low end cars
Maybach tires are not the same as the S class... I can remember back in the day when we worked on the Maybach development we had quite a difficult time getting snow tires for it. Things have changed since 2002 for that size, I suppose. S class has standard 18" wheels, even the S600. Not sure about AMG cars. As for the continental tires... they probably use them since more customers will complain about how fast good tires wear out, compared to how longer lasting all seasons handle poorly. I'm sure cost played a role, but customer satisfaction and service also was a consideration. We switched from the summer contis to all seasons because we were going through them too fast. The handling difference was drastic, but it just isn't practical for your average driver. If someone really cares that much about having a excellent summer tire (and is willing to buy winter tires), nothing is stopping them from buying them. Jaime On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:03 PM, E M wrote: > I think the tires on the 002 were always special order, about $5000 a piece > when they were new. There were two versions, road and off road. I think > the off road has been dropped, and the road can be had, special order, and > of course, for a price. In today's dollars, I would image a lot more than > $5000 a piece. I think the tires on a Bugatti go for something like > $20,000 > each, and wear out a lot faster than on the 002 I would imagine. > > Lambo messed around with fitting their v12 marine engine in the 002, as > some > felt it was underpowered with the Countach engine. Apparently, the added > weight of the large marine engine off set any power gains. > > Yeah, I guess the Maybach is a pretty common tire for that type of car. I > know a lot of the mechanical bits were sourced from the S Class, which in > years to come, might be a good thing for anyone wanting to run or restore > one. Easier, or cheaper than restoring something like a 600 SWB. Trim > bits > might be another story though. But as they say, if things like money make > a > difference, all of the above probably aren't the cars to be driving. hee > hee > > Ed > 300E > > On 4 January 2011 11:52, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:23 AM, E M wrote: > > > Problem is though, I think they're dumping the Maybach brand in a > couple > > of > > > years, then getting tires for it will be about as easy as getting tires > > for > > > a Lamborghini 002. > > > > > > > Not quite that hard, I think. ;) Tire Rack lists 31 choices in > > 275/45-20 for a Maybach 62S. > > > > If you choose Lamborghini for the make, the LM002 doesn't even come up > > in the pop-up menu for model. Interestingly, the '85 Countach is > > listed as taking 205/50-15 in the front and 345/35-15 in the back, the > > latter of which are unavailable. > > > > I'm guessing if you have an LM002, it is either sitting undriven in > > your personal museum, or you have enough money to have custom wheels > > made that take ordinary tires. I bet the latter is what Tina Turner > > did with hers when she had a Mercedes engine and transmission dropped > > in it. (< > > > http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/21/private-dancer-tina-turner-s-mercedes-powered-lambo-lm002/ > > ) > > > > Alex > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 / OM617 questions
andrew strasfogel wrote: I believe Autohaus Arizona is selling new tumblers with generic key (non VIN-matching) for $15 or less. I see an aftermarket one for $17 with two keys for W201 and W124. A different aftermarket one, same price, for W123. For W116, they've got factory with one key for $70. I didn't realize W123 and W116 were different. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Attn 116/115 owners: Need help re front seatback pads
Hello all, Wondering if anyone out there has BOTH a later (post 74) 114/115 and a 116 for comparison. According to the EPC, the seatback frame is identical and shared across 114/5 and 116 models in the later years. But the seat pad numbers are different. I'm trying to determine the difference between the two; I suspect that the 116 has additional foam applied to the same horsehair/coco pad. I'd appreciate it if someone who has both types of car could do a small comparison to see what the difference are (I obviously don't mean diassmble your seats, I just wonder if there are any obvious differences in the seatback). Any input would be appreciated. D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] low end tires for low end cars
Grab some extra brake pads too. I'd imagine that barge burns through them pretty fast. ;-) Ed 300E On 4 January 2011 14:16, Rich Thomas wrote: > I'm gonna buy a coupla extra sets then, tuck them away for when I need > them. > > --R > > > On 1/4/2011 11:23 AM, E M wrote: > >> Problem is though, I think they're dumping the Maybach brand in a couple >> of >> years, then getting tires for it will be about as easy as getting tires >> for >> a Lamborghini 002. >> >> Ed >> 300E >> >> On 4 January 2011 09:19, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Woger's problem is that he buys a cheap Cheap class MB, then wants >>> Maybach >>> tyres. It is so he can support his pooch habit; save money on MBs to >>> spend >>> it on pooches. If he dumped the pooches, he could buy a Maybach with >>> Maybach tyres as standard equipment. >>> >>> Of course now it all makes sense, Mercedes is saving loads of money by >>> putting cheap tires on their expensive cars, guess their reasoning is that only clueless types buy their product and as long as the drivers vanity mirror is working,all is well. Spose if people are too cheap to pony up for an AMG they should have to put up with Cheap tires. Another thing is, that with all the safety things they have in their cars now you don't really need good tires to stop in a hurry. And here we where thinking that MB was back on track with the "the best or nothing" way of doing things, makes you think, if they are willing to scrimp on tires, what else are they Cheaping out on? Hendrik who is not sure what the speed rating of the tires are and doesn't really care relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Well he seems to know more than the idiots in Stuttgart, complete > >> morons >> for putting cheap crappy tires on Rogers car... >> >> >> MB used Contis because their cost was lower. And H-rated (thus, the >> > 130mph governor) because they are cheaper than V-rated. Nowadays, > Michelin > somethings or Pirellis are alternates. When buying by the trainload, > prices > are even lower. > > RLE > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now this is more like it....PHX CL Grosser
That should do it, with enough money to buy the 600, and do several of those $1000 handshakes to keep it running as it should. ;-) I'll even stop complaining about the price of premium fuel. Ed 300E On 4 January 2011 13:52, Mitch Haley wrote: > E M wrote: > >> I think I just drooled all over my keyboard!! Must remember to buy a >> lotto >> ticket when out doing the shopping this week. hee hee >> > > Today's Mega Millions should pay $330 million over xx years. > http://www.megamillions.com/ > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] torpedo heaters
I suppose, but I don't really want to be the one to find out... There was a kiwi that made a little stove out of one, used it to heat his hot tub. I've got a couple old valve ones at camp, when they're empty I'm considering it... -Curt Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:57:41 -0600 From: OK Don To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] torpedo heaters Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What about using an old propane tank for a "topsider"? If you burn out all the propane that you can, then pull a vacuum, followed by filling with water, would it be safe enough to drill/weld? On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: > Try bringing it to the local welding gas place, some of them will > credit you for an old style tank. > > Walt-- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] low end tires for low end cars
I'm gonna buy a coupla extra sets then, tuck them away for when I need them. --R On 1/4/2011 11:23 AM, E M wrote: Problem is though, I think they're dumping the Maybach brand in a couple of years, then getting tires for it will be about as easy as getting tires for a Lamborghini 002. Ed 300E On 4 January 2011 09:19, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com> wrote: Woger's problem is that he buys a cheap Cheap class MB, then wants Maybach tyres. It is so he can support his pooch habit; save money on MBs to spend it on pooches. If he dumped the pooches, he could buy a Maybach with Maybach tyres as standard equipment. Of course now it all makes sense, Mercedes is saving loads of money by putting cheap tires on their expensive cars, guess their reasoning is that only clueless types buy their product and as long as the drivers vanity mirror is working,all is well. Spose if people are too cheap to pony up for an AMG they should have to put up with Cheap tires. Another thing is, that with all the safety things they have in their cars now you don't really need good tires to stop in a hurry. And here we where thinking that MB was back on track with the "the best or nothing" way of doing things, makes you think, if they are willing to scrimp on tires, what else are they Cheaping out on? Hendrik who is not sure what the speed rating of the tires are and doesn't really care relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Well he seems to know more than the idiots in Stuttgart, complete morons for putting cheap crappy tires on Rogers car... MB used Contis because their cost was lower. And H-rated (thus, the 130mph governor) because they are cheaper than V-rated. Nowadays, Michelin somethings or Pirellis are alternates. When buying by the trainload, prices are even lower. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now this is more like it....PHX CL Grosser
E M wrote: I think I just drooled all over my keyboard!! Must remember to buy a lotto ticket when out doing the shopping this week. hee hee Today's Mega Millions should pay $330 million over xx years. http://www.megamillions.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now this is more like it....PHX CL Grosser
I think I just drooled all over my keyboard!! Must remember to buy a lotto ticket when out doing the shopping this week. hee hee Ed 300E On 4 January 2011 13:06, andrew strasfogel wrote: > For parts or as a daily driver? > > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin >wrote: > > > I think I am going to fly down and buy that. > > > > > > On 1/1/2011 8:36 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: > > > >> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ctd/213815.html > >> > >> Makes that 6.3 look like a wreck. > >> > >> Bob R > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > -- > > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > > 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, > > 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > > 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now this is more like it....PHX CL Grosser
For parts or as a daily driver? On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > I think I am going to fly down and buy that. > > > On 1/1/2011 8:36 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: > >> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ctd/213815.html >> >> Makes that 6.3 look like a wreck. >> >> Bob R >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, > 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Narrow tires, was Re: Yokohama mudslinging/petty catfight etc
Those Cox R/C engines really get some great mileage. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 4 January 2011 12:04, David Bruckmann wrote: > That's part of why my Citroën 2CV, with 125x15 tires, gets about 50mpg. The > 29hp/602cc engine helps too! > > Alex wrote: > > The Honda Insight, the highest-mpg car of the past 20 years or so, > > came stock with 165s, absurdly narrow by modern standards. Even a > > 2011 Chevy Aveo crapbox comes with 185s according to Tire Rack. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] low end tires for low end cars
I think the tires on the 002 were always special order, about $5000 a piece when they were new. There were two versions, road and off road. I think the off road has been dropped, and the road can be had, special order, and of course, for a price. In today's dollars, I would image a lot more than $5000 a piece. I think the tires on a Bugatti go for something like $20,000 each, and wear out a lot faster than on the 002 I would imagine. Lambo messed around with fitting their v12 marine engine in the 002, as some felt it was underpowered with the Countach engine. Apparently, the added weight of the large marine engine off set any power gains. Yeah, I guess the Maybach is a pretty common tire for that type of car. I know a lot of the mechanical bits were sourced from the S Class, which in years to come, might be a good thing for anyone wanting to run or restore one. Easier, or cheaper than restoring something like a 600 SWB. Trim bits might be another story though. But as they say, if things like money make a difference, all of the above probably aren't the cars to be driving. hee hee Ed 300E On 4 January 2011 11:52, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:23 AM, E M wrote: > > Problem is though, I think they're dumping the Maybach brand in a couple > of > > years, then getting tires for it will be about as easy as getting tires > for > > a Lamborghini 002. > > > > Not quite that hard, I think. ;) Tire Rack lists 31 choices in > 275/45-20 for a Maybach 62S. > > If you choose Lamborghini for the make, the LM002 doesn't even come up > in the pop-up menu for model. Interestingly, the '85 Countach is > listed as taking 205/50-15 in the front and 345/35-15 in the back, the > latter of which are unavailable. > > I'm guessing if you have an LM002, it is either sitting undriven in > your personal museum, or you have enough money to have custom wheels > made that take ordinary tires. I bet the latter is what Tina Turner > did with hers when she had a Mercedes engine and transmission dropped > in it. (< > http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/21/private-dancer-tina-turner-s-mercedes-powered-lambo-lm002/ > ) > > Alex > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 / OM617 questions
I believe Autohaus Arizona is selling new tumblers with generic key (non VIN-matching) for $15 or less. On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Fmiser wrote: > > Tim C wrote: > > > 1) Trunk lock: have to shake a bit to get the key in when > > cold, but turns perfectly once the key is all the way in. I > > WD-40'd it to get the key in tonight; however, I can't tell if > > it's grabby because the key is old or because the pins don't > > move properly. Do I replace the tumbler or the key? Or both? > > Is the key brass or stainless steel? _Usually_, if it has a > black plastic head it's stainless, but I happen to have one > car with a set of very Merecedes looking keys with a bright > nickle finish on the side of the key and a black plastic head > that are actually brass. > > The stainless steel key is definitely preferred. If there is > any water in the tumbler, and the air tempurature is below 0 C > (32 F) it won't function well. WD40 can help that situation. > The key slot should have a little door that swings closed when > the key is removed to key junk out. If that's missing, water > and other stuff can get in and muck up the action. > > A new tumbler setup to use a matching key is about $100, so > it's worth being sure it really needs that. > > > 2) Brake master cylinder: just R&R and then brake fluid > > flush? I have a pressure flusher thing from my Volvo days, I > > assume that will work with a proper cap? > > Yup. > Yup. > > The tank does not come with the new master cylinder. The > rubber grommet seals between the tank and master cylider do. > Well, they did on the one I just installed, anyway. > > The rubber caps for the top of the caliper bleed screws are > often missing or old crumbly. > About $2 each, part number 000-421-08-87 > > > 7) Car crunches (metal-on-rotating-metal) in rear when turning > > 'sharply', and it is slowly getting worse. I speculate the > > driveshaft is hitting something when I turn, perhaps due to bad > > transmission/motor mounts. I know I need to do shocks, and > > probably rear springs too. Anything else? > > Axle shafts? I'm not coming up with any good explanations for > why you get such a noise only when turning. The only noise > aft that changes with turning I have experienced is from > half-shafts - but that doesn't match your description very well. > > > 8) Alignment: tire shop says I need one, but I gather it's > > difficult aligning MBs; how do I find out if an alignment shop > > is any good? The nearest dealer is awful for parts sales so I > > swore them off, but I'll go there if there's no other choice. > > I do it myself. I bought a caster/camber gauge years ago. I > use a laser level to do the toe-in. I've now done the process > three times. Each was successful - the last being the best, > fastest - of course. > > I did a write-up on the toe-in process. > http://www.host-a.net/u/fmiser/w123-toein-alignment_howto_print.pdf > or > http://www.host-a.net/u/fmiser/w123-toein-alignment_howto_screen.pdf > > -- Philip > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wow it sold, I guess the market for 115's is going up
Only if you have an aux. fuel tank as well! On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:19 PM, David Bruckmann < bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote: > As an owner of almost the identical puke-green (Caledonia Green to be > official) W115 300D, I can't believe someone paid $4500 for that thing, with > cracked dash and door panels, split seat covers, etc. That means mine, > completely rust-free with lower mileage, original paint, and a completely > new interior, must be worth at least $7k, right? > > > Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220715929633&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWNA%3AUS%3A1123 > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Narrow tires, was Re: Yokohama mudslinging/petty catfight etc
That's part of why my Citroën 2CV, with 125x15 tires, gets about 50mpg. The 29hp/602cc engine helps too! Alex wrote: > The Honda Insight, the highest-mpg car of the past 20 years or so, > came stock with 165s, absurdly narrow by modern standards. Even a > 2011 Chevy Aveo crapbox comes with 185s according to Tire Rack. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] low end tires for low end cars
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:23 AM, E M wrote: > Problem is though, I think they're dumping the Maybach brand in a couple of > years, then getting tires for it will be about as easy as getting tires for > a Lamborghini 002. > Not quite that hard, I think. ;) Tire Rack lists 31 choices in 275/45-20 for a Maybach 62S. If you choose Lamborghini for the make, the LM002 doesn't even come up in the pop-up menu for model. Interestingly, the '85 Countach is listed as taking 205/50-15 in the front and 345/35-15 in the back, the latter of which are unavailable. I'm guessing if you have an LM002, it is either sitting undriven in your personal museum, or you have enough money to have custom wheels made that take ordinary tires. I bet the latter is what Tina Turner did with hers when she had a Mercedes engine and transmission dropped in it. (
Re: [MBZ] Yokohama tires was: I just discovered something about the '94 E420 ...
Alex Chamberlain wrote: original Goodyear Aquatred, the first tire with a big channel down the middle to direct water away from the contact areas of the tread, was invented by an engineer who was passed in a heavy rainstorm by a Citroen 2CV on skinny tires while his Lotus Esprit was hydroplaning on fat ones. He marketed a special dual tire system in Europe first. (one rim, two tires, unlike a dually pickup with two wheels bolted to one hub) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] slipped belts
HAHAHAHAHA my apologies to the list; in spite of historical evidence to the contrary, i made the mistake once again of trying to give an anonobot the benefit of the doubt that they might be capable of having a civil discussion. sadly, as seems common of those who can't/won't even sign their own posts, they've instead stooped to insults and sweeping generalities in the time it would take them to do a quick search to discover they're simply mistaken and out of date and/or provide any evidence to the contrary. (it's not the first time; at this rate it looks like it might not be the last.) cheers! e On 03/Jan/11 19:26, Dieselhead wrote: dear Mr/Mrs/Ms Ernie, or whoever you really are: A tire wobbling sideways, as you described is caused by slipped belts. You undoubtedly are used to living in your own little world, so you can call it whatever you want. But the rest of the world call belts that have slipped slipped belts! What a concept! ear Mr/Mrs/Ms Dieselhead, with all due regard, it sounds like what you're calling "slipped belts" is actually separation or possibly even other issues. your broad definition below of what you call a slip might account for at least some of the reason that you're reported this happening so much to you, but losing a ply completely is clearly something more than a "slip" to most people. note that some sources in the tire business will even say that there is "no such thing as a slipped belt" since the earliest days of radial tire manufacturing, so it would seem the definition you're suggesting isn't universal. also, sorry, but in your previous description of the Yokohama failure you wrote, you stated that it already had several hundreds of miles on it (with no mention of the heat cycles it had before failure), so it doesn't seem that's exactly a valid example to compare to a new tire. frankly, even taking into account your broad definition of the term "slipped", seeing anyone report having experienced any issue as much as you have this one would make me wonder if there isn't some other influence at play. cheers! e On 03/Jan/11 15:17, Dieselhead wrote: As Philip said, you described slipped belts. Because the tires were "new" does not mean they didn't have slipped belts. My "New" jokohama that flew apart slipped a belt too. Only that one slipped it clear off the carcass. The carcass still held air. Any tire that wobbnles or sounds like a wobble (Noise at 1x rotation freq.) has a slipped belt. i suspect we have different definitions of what is a "slipped belt"; it's a commonly misused term. i don't believe it's possible for a belt to "slip" when it's molded into a tire, and as i understand it manufacturing techniques for modern radial tires have made it unlikely for many years that a belt could "slip" during manufacturing. while it may be possible to have separation, i don't believe that was the case in the tires i spoke of; the fact that they didn't all even suffer the same problem leads me to be inclined to believe that they were simply manufactured poorly. i'd be more likely to suspect separation after they had some time/miles on them, but these were so fresh they still had the preservative and mold nubs on the tread face. cheers! e On 03/Jan/11 12:31, Fmiser wrote: ernest breakfield wrote: i got a set of (5) wheels that came with another model of Wrangler (GSAs) on them that had a mixed tread that were almost unused, and some of those tires were out of round while others were out of true. while they would all balance up fine, there was no way to put any 4 of them on the ground without bumps or wobbles. i've never experienced a "slipped belt" in any tire (yet!). heh. I think you did. Your description of the not-round tires sure sounds like a slipped belt to me! --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: holes
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: >> You could always clip a new star out of some microwave sheet metal, and >> spray paint it silver. Should look good from 20 ft away. > > Unfortunately, _I_ sit about 6 feet away from it! > Didn't someone link a few months back to an eBay seller of reproduction jumbo-size 600-Grosser-style hood stars? About twice as big as the regular 115/123/etc variety? One of those would be just right to announce the arrival of the noble Chicken Wagon. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yokohama tires was: I just discovered something about the '94 E420 ...
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Saab 99s came either with 165/80R15 (LE, GL, GLE) As did my '80 900GLE. Unstoppable in snow, even with cheap all-seasons. Sometimes a smaller contact patch is better! IIRC, the original Goodyear Aquatred, the first tire with a big channel down the middle to direct water away from the contact areas of the tread, was invented by an engineer who was passed in a heavy rainstorm by a Citroen 2CV on skinny tires while his Lotus Esprit was hydroplaning on fat ones. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] low end tires for low end cars
Problem is though, I think they're dumping the Maybach brand in a couple of years, then getting tires for it will be about as easy as getting tires for a Lamborghini 002. Ed 300E On 4 January 2011 09:19, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Woger's problem is that he buys a cheap Cheap class MB, then wants Maybach > tyres. It is so he can support his pooch habit; save money on MBs to spend > it on pooches. If he dumped the pooches, he could buy a Maybach with > Maybach tyres as standard equipment. > > Of course now it all makes sense, Mercedes is saving loads of money by >> putting cheap tires on their expensive cars, guess their reasoning is that >> only clueless types buy their product and as long as the drivers vanity >> mirror is working,all is well. >> Spose if people are too cheap to pony up for an AMG they should have to >> put up with Cheap tires. >> Another thing is, that with all the safety things they have in their cars >> now you don't really need good tires to stop in a hurry. >> And here we where thinking that MB was back on track with the "the best or >> nothing" way of doing things, makes you think, if they are willing to scrimp >> on tires, what else are they Cheaping out on? >> >> Hendrik >> who is not sure what the speed rating of the tires are and doesn't really >> care >> >> relng...@aol.com wrote: >> >>> ...Well he seems to know more than the idiots in Stuttgart, complete morons for putting cheap crappy tires on Rogers car... MB used Contis because their cost was lower. And H-rated (thus, the >>> 130mph governor) because they are cheaper than V-rated. Nowadays, Michelin >>> somethings or Pirellis are alternates. When buying by the trainload, prices >>> are even lower. >>> >>> RLE >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] slipped belts
And despite symantics - a tire not turning smoothly on the ground needs to be replaced with one that does, and the point of the discussion was what tires turn smoothly on the ground. Peter On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:18 AM, ernest breakfield < erne...@backyardengineering.org> wrote: > my apologies to the list; in spite of historical evidence to the contrary, > i made the mistake once again of trying to give an anonobot the benefit of > the doubt that they might be capable of having a civil discussion. > >sadly, as seems common of those who can't/won't even sign their own > posts, they've instead stooped to insults and sweeping generalities in the > time it would take them to do a quick search to discover they're simply > mistaken and out of date and/or provide any evidence to the contrary. (it's > not the first time; at this rate it looks like it might not be the last.) > > > cheers! > e > > > On 03/Jan/11 19:26, Dieselhead wrote: > >> >> >> dear Mr/Mrs/Ms Ernie, or whoever you really are: >> >> A tire wobbling sideways, as you described is caused by slipped belts. >> You undoubtedly are used to living in your own little world, so you can >> call it whatever you want. But the rest of the world call belts that have >> slipped slipped belts! What a concept! >> >> ear Mr/Mrs/Ms Dieselhead, >>> >>>with all due regard, it sounds like what you're calling "slipped >>> belts" is actually separation or possibly even other issues. your broad >>> definition below of what you call a slip might account for at least some of >>> the reason that you're reported this happening so much to you, but losing a >>> ply completely is clearly something more than a "slip" to most people. >>>note that some sources in the tire business will even say that there >>> is "no such thing as a slipped belt" since the earliest days of radial tire >>> manufacturing, so it would seem the definition you're suggesting isn't >>> universal. >>> >>>also, sorry, but in your previous description of the Yokohama failure >>> you wrote, you stated that it already had several hundreds of miles on it >>> (with no mention of the heat cycles it had before failure), so it doesn't >>> seem that's exactly a valid example to compare to a new tire. >>> >>>frankly, even taking into account your broad definition of the term >>> "slipped", seeing anyone report having experienced any issue as much as you >>> have this one would make me wonder if there isn't some other influence at >>> play. >>> >>> >>> cheers! >>> e >>> >>> >>> On 03/Jan/11 15:17, Dieselhead wrote: >>> As Philip said, you described slipped belts. Because the tires were "new" does not mean they didn't have slipped belts. My "New" jokohama that flew apart slipped a belt too. Only that one slipped it clear off the carcass. The carcass still held air. Any tire that wobbnles or sounds like a wobble (Noise at 1x rotation freq.) has a slipped belt. i suspect we have different definitions of what is a "slipped belt"; > it's a commonly misused term. i don't believe it's possible for a belt to > "slip" when it's molded into a tire, and as i understand it manufacturing > techniques for modern radial tires have made it unlikely for many years > that > a belt could "slip" during manufacturing. > >while it may be possible to have separation, i don't believe that > was the case in the tires i spoke of; the fact that they didn't all even > suffer the same problem leads me to be inclined to believe that they were > simply manufactured poorly. i'd be more likely to suspect separation after > they had some time/miles on them, but these were so fresh they still had > the > preservative and mold nubs on the tread face. > > > cheers! > e > > > On 03/Jan/11 12:31, Fmiser wrote: > >> ernest breakfield wrote: >>> i got a set of (5) wheels that came with another model of >>> Wrangler (GSAs) on them that had a mixed tread that were >>> almost unused, and some of those tires were out of round while >>> others were out of true. while they would all balance up fine, >>> there was no way to put any 4 of them on the ground without >>> bumps or wobbles. >>> i've never experienced a "slipped belt" in any tire >>> (yet!). >>> >> heh. I think you did. Your description of the not-round tires >> sure sounds like a slipped belt to me! >> >> --Philip >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okieben
Re: [MBZ] slipped belts
my apologies to the list; in spite of historical evidence to the contrary, i made the mistake once again of trying to give an anonobot the benefit of the doubt that they might be capable of having a civil discussion. sadly, as seems common of those who can't/won't even sign their own posts, they've instead stooped to insults and sweeping generalities in the time it would take them to do a quick search to discover they're simply mistaken and out of date and/or provide any evidence to the contrary. (it's not the first time; at this rate it looks like it might not be the last.) cheers! e On 03/Jan/11 19:26, Dieselhead wrote: dear Mr/Mrs/Ms Ernie, or whoever you really are: A tire wobbling sideways, as you described is caused by slipped belts. You undoubtedly are used to living in your own little world, so you can call it whatever you want. But the rest of the world call belts that have slipped slipped belts! What a concept! ear Mr/Mrs/Ms Dieselhead, with all due regard, it sounds like what you're calling "slipped belts" is actually separation or possibly even other issues. your broad definition below of what you call a slip might account for at least some of the reason that you're reported this happening so much to you, but losing a ply completely is clearly something more than a "slip" to most people. note that some sources in the tire business will even say that there is "no such thing as a slipped belt" since the earliest days of radial tire manufacturing, so it would seem the definition you're suggesting isn't universal. also, sorry, but in your previous description of the Yokohama failure you wrote, you stated that it already had several hundreds of miles on it (with no mention of the heat cycles it had before failure), so it doesn't seem that's exactly a valid example to compare to a new tire. frankly, even taking into account your broad definition of the term "slipped", seeing anyone report having experienced any issue as much as you have this one would make me wonder if there isn't some other influence at play. cheers! e On 03/Jan/11 15:17, Dieselhead wrote: As Philip said, you described slipped belts. Because the tires were "new" does not mean they didn't have slipped belts. My "New" jokohama that flew apart slipped a belt too. Only that one slipped it clear off the carcass. The carcass still held air. Any tire that wobbnles or sounds like a wobble (Noise at 1x rotation freq.) has a slipped belt. i suspect we have different definitions of what is a "slipped belt"; it's a commonly misused term. i don't believe it's possible for a belt to "slip" when it's molded into a tire, and as i understand it manufacturing techniques for modern radial tires have made it unlikely for many years that a belt could "slip" during manufacturing. while it may be possible to have separation, i don't believe that was the case in the tires i spoke of; the fact that they didn't all even suffer the same problem leads me to be inclined to believe that they were simply manufactured poorly. i'd be more likely to suspect separation after they had some time/miles on them, but these were so fresh they still had the preservative and mold nubs on the tread face. cheers! e On 03/Jan/11 12:31, Fmiser wrote: ernest breakfield wrote: i got a set of (5) wheels that came with another model of Wrangler (GSAs) on them that had a mixed tread that were almost unused, and some of those tires were out of round while others were out of true. while they would all balance up fine, there was no way to put any 4 of them on the ground without bumps or wobbles. i've never experienced a "slipped belt" in any tire (yet!). heh. I think you did. Your description of the not-round tires sure sounds like a slipped belt to me! --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: holes
Just stop wearing your glasses. All will be fine. Trust us. Randy On 04/01/2011 10:01 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: You could always clip a new star out of some microwave sheet metal, and spray paint it silver. Should look good from 20 ft away. Unfortunately, _I_ sit about 6 feet away from it! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yokohama tires was: I just discovered something about the '94 E420 ...
Alex Chamberlain wrote: The Honda Insight, the highest-mpg car of the past 20 years or so, came stock with 165s, absurdly narrow by modern standards. Even a 2011 Chevy Aveo crapbox comes with 185s according to Tire Rack. Saab 99s came either with 165/80R15 (LE, GL, GLE) or 175/70R15 (Turbo and EMS models). Early ones might have come with 6.00x15, I never owned one older than 1975. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: holes
You could always clip a new star out of some microwave sheet metal, and spray paint it silver. Should look good from 20 ft away. Unfortunately, _I_ sit about 6 feet away from it! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 300D (5 cyl) diesel W124 - $975 (Slatersville, RI)
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Fred Moir wrote: > bad springs in front That's weird. Did some ham-fisted speed shop try to cut a coil out of them to lower the car and mess up the job somehow? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yokohama tires was: I just discovered something about the '94 E420 ...
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Supermileage vehicles all have very narrow tires. like 2" Very small > contact patch. 2-3 sq. in. per tire. You don't win mileage contests with > 215/55 of any brand. > The Honda Insight, the highest-mpg car of the past 20 years or so, came stock with 165s, absurdly narrow by modern standards. Even a 2011 Chevy Aveo crapbox comes with 185s according to Tire Rack. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: holes
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:18 -0800, "Jim Cathey" wrote: > > A 110/111/112 star and base is a great thing. It still looks like a > > radiator cap. It is hefty. > > Does this differ from a 115 ornament? Mine looks like a radiator cap. > (It also looks like a POS, since the star broke off again.) You could always clip a new star out of some microwave sheet metal, and spray paint it silver. Should look good from 20 ft away. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] low end tires for low end cars
Woger's problem is that he buys a cheap Cheap class MB, then wants Maybach tyres. It is so he can support his pooch habit; save money on MBs to spend it on pooches. If he dumped the pooches, he could buy a Maybach with Maybach tyres as standard equipment. Of course now it all makes sense, Mercedes is saving loads of money by putting cheap tires on their expensive cars, guess their reasoning is that only clueless types buy their product and as long as the drivers vanity mirror is working,all is well. Spose if people are too cheap to pony up for an AMG they should have to put up with Cheap tires. Another thing is, that with all the safety things they have in their cars now you don't really need good tires to stop in a hurry. And here we where thinking that MB was back on track with the "the best or nothing" way of doing things, makes you think, if they are willing to scrimp on tires, what else are they Cheaping out on? Hendrik who is not sure what the speed rating of the tires are and doesn't really care relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Well he seems to know more than the idiots in Stuttgart, complete morons for putting cheap crappy tires on Rogers car... MB used Contis because their cost was lower. And H-rated (thus, the 130mph governor) because they are cheaper than V-rated. Nowadays, Michelin somethings or Pirellis are alternates. When buying by the trainload, prices are even lower. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: holes
A 110/111/112 star and base is a great thing. It still looks like a radiator cap. It is hefty. Does this differ from a 115 ornament? Mine looks like a radiator cap. (It also looks like a POS, since the star broke off again.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] holes
Don't confuse Woger with facts! Yes, the 8 holer was the straight 8 Buick, and it was magnificent. The exhaust flex pipes came out the holes. Buick kept vestigial "holes" on the fenders for decades after the holes had any real use. 4 on each fender meant it had a v8. three on each fender meant it was a 6 cyl. It is very similar to how the MB Star on the radiator cap became vestigial, and the got smaller over decades/design generations, until now it is no longer present. A 110/111/112 star and base is a great thing. It still looks like a radiator cap. It is hefty. Beg pardon, weren't those holes originally where the exhaust come out of the hood? Sure was a straight eight in there for a long time in the 30's & 40's! All the holes were on one side in those days, and had an exhaust header going through them, eh? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb special 240D
"Good running mercedes benz but can't get it started" H. OK Don writes: > This one is just crying for Kaleb to rescue it -- I have NO interest. > > http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/2141107195.html -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] low end tires for low end cars
Of course now it all makes sense, Mercedes is saving loads of money by putting cheap tires on their expensive cars, guess their reasoning is that only clueless types buy their product and as long as the drivers vanity mirror is working,all is well. Spose if people are too cheap to pony up for an AMG they should have to put up with Cheap tires. Another thing is, that with all the safety things they have in their cars now you don't really need good tires to stop in a hurry. And here we where thinking that MB was back on track with the "the best or nothing" way of doing things, makes you think, if they are willing to scrimp on tires, what else are they Cheaping out on? Hendrik who is not sure what the speed rating of the tires are and doesn't really care relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Well he seems to know more than the idiots in Stuttgart, complete morons for putting cheap crappy tires on Rogers car... MB used Contis because their cost was lower. And H-rated (thus, the 130mph governor) because they are cheaper than V-rated. Nowadays, Michelin somethings or Pirellis are alternates. When buying by the trainload, prices are even lower. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
