Re: [MBZ] Mistaken ID
relng...@aol.com wrote: Why do I see 8 intake tubes and 8 injection lines in this pic of the 300SL? http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/01/driving-the-awesome-mercedes-300-sl-gullwing/?pid=592.. Because it's a W196, not a 300SL. Even if the caption didn't give it away, it's obvious. When was the last time you saw wire wheels on 300SL? You may be right, that does look like a W196 GP car. Especially that ram air intake sticking out the right front like a backwards exhaust pipe. http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/362/Mercedes-Benz-W196.html But the caption calls it a W194, which was the racing gullwing before the 300SL. Above: A naked W194. Note the massive inboard drum brakes (the two cylinders between the front wheels), then-uncommon fuel injection (the small lines snaking over the engine) and outboard coolant tank and battery. The frame's steel tubes and high sills — note the proximity of the tubes to the driver's seat — also can be seen. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] A not so good snowy morning
We got a snowstorm yesterday, leaving the roads covered with ice (we don't do plowing here until the snow stops, huh? -- and no salt), so I wasn't looking forward to driving to work today. However, the 300D kicked a couple times but didn't catch, and on the second crank didn't even do that (forgot to hold the key over long enough, it usually fires right up even at -10 and it's only 6F out there right now). So I dug the 300 TE out of the snow and tried it. Dead battery. It's on the charger right now, but I don't think that's gonna help much, it's charging way too fast and the starter quits before I get fuel (møm hasn't driven it in a couple weeks, and I forgot to). Guess I'll be making a trip down to the parts store when my brother gets off work and buying a pair of batteries. All my spares are shot, too -- won't charge. Oh well, I have plenty of things to do at home and need to use up my MLK holiday since I worked on Monday. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A not so good snowy morning
Peter Frederick wrote: Guess I'll be making a trip down to the parts store when my brother gets off work and buying a pair of batteries. All my spares are shot, too -- won't charge. Buy batteries online, one at a time. Use $40 off coupons at Advance Auto. (I think BIG40 still works) If you use Paypal for one battery and a credit card for the other, you can use the same coupon for two orders. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A not so good snowy morning
Mitch Haley wrote: Peter Frederick wrote: Guess I'll be making a trip down to the parts store when my brother gets off work and buying a pair of batteries. All my spares are shot, too -- won't charge. Buy batteries online, one at a time. Use $40 off coupons at Advance Auto. (I think BIG40 still works) If you use Paypal for one battery and a credit card for the other, you can use the same coupon for two orders. Oops, they want $137 for a group 49, so $97 isn't as cheap as I'd hoped. I wonder if it's equivalent to the $135 or the $95 battery at Autozone? (for fatwallet.com members, you'd get 5% cashback on $137, which would bring it closer to $90) AFFAUTO should also get $40 off on $100 at Advance. Too bad you can't just walk into Autozone and pick up a 7 year battery for $60 any more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mistaken ID
Woger sez its a W196, but the webpage clearly says it is a W194. Here are the chassis numbers Chassis number prefixs are: * 300SL (racing version) -- 194.010 * 300SL (production Coupe) - 198.040 * 300SL (aluminum Coupe) -- 198.043 * 300SL (roadster) -- 198.042 From: http://www.silverstarrestorations.com/300SL.htm From Mitch's posting, it looks like the webpage is wrong. Looks like woger gets a point. x On 20 January 2011 22:28, relng...@aol.com wrote: Why do I see 8 intake tubes and 8 injection lines in this pic of the 300SL? http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/01/driving-the-awesome-mercedes-300-sl-gullwing/?pid=592 .. Because it's a W196, not a 300SL. Even if the caption didn't give it away, it's obvious. When was the last time you saw wire wheels on 300SL? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone with a 90 or newer turbo diesel parts car?
Nope. This is on all 90 and newer turbo's. Measures boost pressure. Now that I think about it its probably the same MAP sensor found on the gassers. I am going to the yards this weekend and seeing what I can dig up. Plenty of cars with MAP sensors out there. -Rolf On 01/20/2011 10:06 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I think Herr Rolf is trolling for a part off a 350SD. His best bet is probably PGA if Kleb dosn't have one. I didn't see anything like it on the '92 300D, not that I'd sell it anyway --- On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: I am looking for a box that mounts on the sound wall infront of the battery. Looks like http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/C3S7_1yNQ1kb93RS5bZ8kmpqgZ93ng1BnHB2Qdp6-co?feat=directlink If its 92? or newer there is another similar box there. Both have a vac like tube coming from the manifold I believe. Anyone want to sell, I am buying. Preferably with connecting wires as well. -Rolf -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? -Rolf On 01/20/2011 08:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2140790244.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone with a 90 or newer turbo diesel parts car?
Rolf wrote: Nope. This is on all 90 and newer turbo's. Measures boost pressure. Now that I think about it its probably the same MAP sensor found on the gassers. I am going to the yards this weekend and seeing what I can dig up. Plenty of cars with MAP sensors out there. I don't know about Mercedes, but most gasser MAP sensors don't read over 1 bar. Chrysler always had different MAP sensors for the turbos back in the 1980s when virtually all their car engines were 4 cylinders. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? Single-Board Computer? Siamese Basket Case? Salamander Bait Container? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone with a 90 or newer turbo diesel parts car?
That is good to know. Apparently Mazdas came with turbos as well, as did Kia's? All cars to look at in the junkyard. With a fully charged phone I should be able to find part numbers and look up specs. I would like to keep it in the Benz OEM family though (bosch). Air pressure sensors for my needs are available online for 15-20 bucks. I think sourcing them from old cars is more fun. -Rolf On 01/21/2011 10:37 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rolf wrote: Nope. This is on all 90 and newer turbo's. Measures boost pressure. Now that I think about it its probably the same MAP sensor found on the gassers. I am going to the yards this weekend and seeing what I can dig up. Plenty of cars with MAP sensors out there. I don't know about Mercedes, but most gasser MAP sensors don't read over 1 bar. Chrysler always had different MAP sensors for the turbos back in the 1980s when virtually all their car engines were 4 cylinders. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
$7000 could have gone a long way to making that a decent car. Then the car would have been worth something. Now, its worthless. Jaime On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? And they're pretty darn reliable, too. And can be easily and cheaply built to 400+ HP. I think a 124 with that kind of power, a sorted-out suspension, and fatter tires than stock would be a blast to drive! If you have a 300E with a blown M103 that would otherwise go to the junkyard, why not? I think a lot of these kind of engine swaps aren't really planned, but just happen because someone has too much time on their hands and has the parts laying around. (Hmmm, I need to do something with this Benz... I wonder if this 350 I pulled out of the kid's Nova after he wrecked it will fit.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
Small Butchered Chovey (V8) as opposed to the large block 427/454 Single-Board Computer? Siamese Basket Case? Salamander Bait Container? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
What he said! On 01/21/2011 10:59 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: $7000 could have gone a long way to making that a decent car. Then the car would have been worth something. Now, its worthless. Jaime On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Merc Art Cars
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/01/for-mercedes-benz-art-cars-imitate-a-fantastic-life/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mistaken ID
Dieselhead wrote: Woger sez its a W196, but the webpage clearly says it is a W194. No, the web page clearly says it is a 196, to wit: Above: A naked Mercedes-Benz W196 racer, one of the W194's successors. (Note the later, eight-cylinder powerplant.) Few pictures exist of unclothed 194s, so we chose this image for illustrative purposes. The 196's construction and space-frame design were similar to that of the 194. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
I can understand it. SBC are very common and there are lots of good aftermarket parts to make power. Once the hood is closed, no one really knows what is under there unless you tell them. So, if you like the car but need an engine, I can see swapping to a SBC. There were kits available to put them in Jags - that was probably an improvement in most cases. If you are driving what amounts to a beater Benz, why not add some power? Esp late model Vortec engines - pretty reliable etc. Randy On 21/01/2011 9:16 AM, Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? -Rolf On 01/20/2011 08:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2140790244.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Merc Art Cars
Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/01/for-mercedes-benz-art-cars-imitate-a-fantastic-life/ German surfer dudes wear skimpy red bras and arm length black lace gloves?? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mistaken ID
You're right, that is what it says NOW. I was right, with what it said THEN. Whoops. That's our mistake—the shot is actually of a W196, an eight-cylinder car and one of the 194's successors. I included it to illustrate the 194's frame design (the two cars shared a construction philosophy), and because images of naked 194s are actually quite scarce. The caption text was my error, and has since been changed. Thanks! David Bruckmann wrote: No, the web page clearly says it is a 196, to wit: Above: A naked Mercedes-Benz W196 racer, one of the W194's successors. (Note the later, eight-cylinder powerplant.) Few pictures exist of unclothed 194s, so we chose this image for illustrative purposes. The 196's construction and space-frame design were similar to that of the 194. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. And contrary to what many think, a small block Chev will go hundreds of thousands of miles, with little more than oil changes and pouring gas in it. I've yet to meet a guy who's owned or driven one of these so called million mile Mercedes, that hasn't had the heads rebuilt 3 times, new bearings in the bottom engine, and a trans overhaul or two. That's not a million mile engine, that's a 350,000 mile engine, which a small block will do with little problem. Ed 300E. I like my German cars, but I have no problem giving credit where it's due. On 21 January 2011 11:20, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? And they're pretty darn reliable, too. And can be easily and cheaply built to 400+ HP. I think a 124 with that kind of power, a sorted-out suspension, and fatter tires than stock would be a blast to drive! If you have a 300E with a blown M103 that would otherwise go to the junkyard, why not? I think a lot of these kind of engine swaps aren't really planned, but just happen because someone has too much time on their hands and has the parts laying around. (Hmmm, I need to do something with this Benz... I wonder if this 350 I pulled out of the kid's Nova after he wrecked it will fit.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
Nor do I, but I bought a 1977 240D brand new and got 774,000 before my son had a belt hit the radiator hose because the cheap bracket broke and cracked the head. Put a new head on and drove it another 25k until I sold it for $1500.00. I got my $23,000 worth, trust me. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:32:25 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. And contrary to what many think, a small block Chev will go hundreds of thousands of miles, with little more than oil changes and pouring gas in it. I've yet to meet a guy who's owned or driven one of these so called million mile Mercedes, that hasn't had the heads rebuilt 3 times, new bearings in the bottom engine, and a trans overhaul or two. That's not a million mile engine, that's a 350,000 mile engine, which a small block will do with little problem. Ed 300E. I like my German cars, but I have no problem giving credit where it's due. On 21 January 2011 11:20, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? And they're pretty darn reliable, too. And can be easily and cheaply built to 400+ HP. I think a 124 with that kind of power, a sorted-out suspension, and fatter tires than stock would be a blast to drive! If you have a 300E with a blown M103 that would otherwise go to the junkyard, why not? I think a lot of these kind of engine swaps aren't really planned, but just happen because someone has too much time on their hands and has the parts laying around. (Hmmm, I need to do something with this Benz... I wonder if this 350 I pulled out of the kid's Nova after he wrecked it will fit.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
I bought an old Ford wagon, with a V6 in it off a lawyer friend. Had really low miles, something like 50,000 km. Guy stops while I'm in the driveway one day washing cars, asking if I want to sell it. He had the EXACT same car. Colour and all. He said he wanted it for the carb, as his was not working as it should. I asked his mileage, and he said something like 750,000 miles! I asked, why not just transplant my whole engine and trans. He said the engine and trans in his are fine, just needs a new carb. lol. Many guys running cabs here with small blocks say they retire them at 700,000 miles. Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 13:42, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: Nor do I, but I bought a 1977 240D brand new and got 774,000 before my son had a belt hit the radiator hose because the cheap bracket broke and cracked the head. Put a new head on and drove it another 25k until I sold it for $1500.00. I got my $23,000 worth, trust me. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:32:25 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. And contrary to what many think, a small block Chev will go hundreds of thousands of miles, with little more than oil changes and pouring gas in it. I've yet to meet a guy who's owned or driven one of these so called million mile Mercedes, that hasn't had the heads rebuilt 3 times, new bearings in the bottom engine, and a trans overhaul or two. That's not a million mile engine, that's a 350,000 mile engine, which a small block will do with little problem. Ed 300E. I like my German cars, but I have no problem giving credit where it's due. On 21 January 2011 11:20, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? And they're pretty darn reliable, too. And can be easily and cheaply built to 400+ HP. I think a 124 with that kind of power, a sorted-out suspension, and fatter tires than stock would be a blast to drive! If you have a 300E with a blown M103 that would otherwise go to the junkyard, why not? I think a lot of these kind of engine swaps aren't really planned, but just happen because someone has too much time on their hands and has the parts laying around. (Hmmm, I need to do something with this Benz... I wonder if this 350 I pulled out of the kid's Nova after he wrecked it will fit.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. Are you recommending that I find a Ferrari with a blown engine and swap a Chevy 350 into it? If I had the cash and a way to mate the new engine to the transaxle in one of the mid-engine cars, I'd be all over that plan. Make mine an early '80s 308GTB, please. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
When lots of people were doing clones, they butchered lots of 400i's for the V12 engines. I'm sure there was a time with lots of bodies floating around, and if you don't mind an auto, that car came with a GM sourced auto, so bolting up a small, or big block no problem. Well, not as much of a problem anyway. hee hee. A friend was thinking of shoving a Chebby engine into an old Porsche 928. Certainly lower the running costs. Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 14:23, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. Are you recommending that I find a Ferrari with a blown engine and swap a Chevy 350 into it? If I had the cash and a way to mate the new engine to the transaxle in one of the mid-engine cars, I'd be all over that plan. Make mine an early '80s 308GTB, please. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: When lots of people were doing clones, they butchered lots of 400i's for the V12 engines. I'm sure there was a time with lots of bodies floating around, and if you don't mind an auto, that car came with a GM sourced auto, so bolting up a small, or big block no problem. Well, not as much of a problem anyway. hee hee. That's an idea, though not as interesting as doing one of the mid-engined cars. I know the 400i is one of Ferrari's red-headed stepchildren, but I actually really like its looks. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
I like the 400s too. A fellow at a cruise I attend during the summer months has one which he keeps in perfect shape. It's a really nice, big GT car, that does as it was built to do, and makes some really lovely sounds while doing it. :-) Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 14:47, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: When lots of people were doing clones, they butchered lots of 400i's for the V12 engines. I'm sure there was a time with lots of bodies floating around, and if you don't mind an auto, that car came with a GM sourced auto, so bolting up a small, or big block no problem. Well, not as much of a problem anyway. hee hee. That's an idea, though not as interesting as doing one of the mid-engined cars. I know the 400i is one of Ferrari's red-headed stepchildren, but I actually really like its looks. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ferrari 400i (was: Anyone want a butchered 300D)
Here's a nice one: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/ferrari/400i/1114147.html I love the shots of the engine bay! Beautifully arranged, symmetrical intake plenums and fuel distributors for each bank of the V-12. What are the bright red doodads in the middle? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ferrari 400i (was: Anyone want a butchered 300D)
Oil filters. Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 15:04, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a nice one: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/ferrari/400i/1114147.html I love the shots of the engine bay! Beautifully arranged, symmetrical intake plenums and fuel distributors for each bank of the V-12. What are the bright red doodads in the middle? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
If you're going to go to the trouble at least punch the 350 out to 400 and plan on hopping it up... Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:23:18 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D Message-ID: aanlktimt74vkzpc+e-c+bl0dt0gelnhvkcrws23ax...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. Are you recommending that I find a Ferrari with a blown engine and swap a Chevy 350 into it? If I had the cash and a way to mate the new engine to the transaxle in one of the mid-engine cars, I'd be all over that plan. Make mine an early '80s 308GTB, please. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
I saw at a car show in Houston a guy who had fabbed up a kit to put a 350 in a 911, it fit in quite nicely. The guy said it made sense if you had a car with a blown engine (which you could find cheap), and wanted to make insane power out of the 350. --R On 1/21/2011 2:36 PM, E M wrote: A friend was thinking of shoving a Chebby engine into an old Porsche 928. Certainly lower the running costs. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
Or a Pontiac 400, already correct! --R On 1/21/2011 3:12 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: If you're going to go to the trouble at least punch the 350 out to 400 and plan on hopping it up... Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:23:18 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlainapchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D Message-ID: aanlktimt74vkzpc+e-c+bl0dt0gelnhvkcrws23ax...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E Mpokieba...@gmail.com wrote: American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. Are you recommending that I find a Ferrari with a blown engine and swap a Chevy 350 into it? If I had the cash and a way to mate the new engine to the transaxle in one of the mid-engine cars, I'd be all over that plan. Make mine an early '80s 308GTB, please. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I saw at a car show in Houston a guy who had fabbed up a kit to put a 350 in a 911, it fit in quite nicely. The guy said it made sense if you had a car with a blown engine (which you could find cheap), and wanted to make insane power out of the 350. There used to be (maybe still is) a company that advertised a turnkey conversion like that in the back of Car Driver, Road Track, etc. PORSCHEV, they called it. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Inside Ralph Lauren's car collection
I knew he had a thing for Ferraris, but not THIS big a thing! http://www.vanityfair.com/style/features/2011/01/ralph-lauren-garage-slide-show-201101 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
That might have been it, the guy was around Houston or Galveston I think. --R On 1/21/2011 3:44 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I saw at a car show in Houston a guy who had fabbed up a kit to put a 350 in a 911, it fit in quite nicely. The guy said it made sense if you had a car with a blown engine (which you could find cheap), and wanted to make insane power out of the 350. There used to be (maybe still is) a company that advertised a turnkey conversion like that in the back of Car Driver, Road Track, etc. PORSCHEV, they called it. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
Full AMG suspension/rims, and a 427 with a 5 speed. :-) Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 15:12, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: If you're going to go to the trouble at least punch the 350 out to 400 and plan on hopping it up... Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:23:18 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D Message-ID: aanlktimt74vkzpc+e-c+bl0dt0gelnhvkcrws23ax...@mail.gmail.comaanlktimt74vkzpc%2be-c%2bbl0dt0gelnhvkcrws23ax...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. Are you recommending that I find a Ferrari with a blown engine and swap a Chevy 350 into it? If I had the cash and a way to mate the new engine to the transaxle in one of the mid-engine cars, I'd be all over that plan. Make mine an early '80s 308GTB, please. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
I've seen a couple of those in mags too. Not sure just what work it involved, but having owned a Chev 350, and a 911, it looks like more than a bolt in to me. The pics I've seem make it more into a mid engine car, and the rear seats are sacrificed to make room for the engine. I've also heard of guys dropping in a Subaru engine. Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 15:24, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote: I saw at a car show in Houston a guy who had fabbed up a kit to put a 350 in a 911, it fit in quite nicely. The guy said it made sense if you had a car with a blown engine (which you could find cheap), and wanted to make insane power out of the 350. --R On 1/21/2011 2:36 PM, E M wrote: A friend was thinking of shoving a Chebby engine into an old Porsche 928. Certainly lower the running costs. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inside Ralph Lauren's car collection
Quite a collection! I saw a Bugatti of his at a show once. An armed guard made sure everyone enjoyed seeing it, but kept their distance. hee hee Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 15:46, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: I knew he had a thing for Ferraris, but not THIS big a thing! http://www.vanityfair.com/style/features/2011/01/ralph-lauren-garage-slide-show-201101 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inside Ralph Lauren's car collection
James Bond had an old supercharged Bentley. I always imagined it something like this. http://www.vanityfair.com/style/features/2011/01/ralph-lauren-garage-slide-show-201101#slide=11 From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentley_4%C2%BD_Litre This is the car author Ian Fleming first chose for James Bond. It is featured in three of the 007 Novels, Casino Royale, Live and Let Die and Moonraker. In the book, Bond drives one of the last blower Bentleys built, a battleship grey Convertible Coupé, with French Marchal headlamps and an Amherst Villiers supercharger. Interestingly, Ian Fleming himself owned a 'blower' from whence the inspiration for Bond's car came. Even more interesting is the fact Fleming bought the car from Amherst Villiers after it was produced for him by Bentley. The car was recently to be seen in the Yorkshire Motor Museum, Batley but since the museum's closure it has passed into a private collection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
I recall a mag article where I believe they installed the 455 cid engine and drive out of a Olds Toronado into a 911. They put together some old suitcases and cut out the back side of them to act as a cover for the engine so you could see the suitcases in the back part of the car behind the seats. Randy On 21/01/2011 3:04 PM, E M wrote: I've seen a couple of those in mags too. Not sure just what work it involved, but having owned a Chev 350, and a 911, it looks like more than a bolt in to me. The pics I've seem make it more into a mid engine car, and the rear seats are sacrificed to make room for the engine. I've also heard of guys dropping in a Subaru engine. Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 15:24, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote: I saw at a car show in Houston a guy who had fabbed up a kit to put a 350 in a 911, it fit in quite nicely. The guy said it made sense if you had a car with a blown engine (which you could find cheap), and wanted to make insane power out of the 350. --R On 1/21/2011 2:36 PM, E M wrote: A friend was thinking of shoving a Chebby engine into an old Porsche 928. Certainly lower the running costs. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inside Ralph Lauren's car collection
I was in England on business quite a bit in the 90s, I usually stayed in Richmond Hill (my hotel was just a few doors from Mick Jagger's place, or his [ex] wife's). It is an upscale suburb of London, lot of money there. I was walking to the train station one morning through some back streets, and what might have been a blower Bentley came roaring up the street. It looked like that in RL's collection, was dark green and made wonderful sounds. Looked like a handful to wrestle around though, the guy driving was working hard. --R On 1/21/2011 4:22 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: James Bond had an old supercharged Bentley. I always imagined it something like this. http://www.vanityfair.com/style/features/2011/01/ralph-lauren-garage-slide-show-201101#slide=11 From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentley_4%C2%BD_Litre This is the car author Ian Fleming first chose for James Bond. It is featured in three of the 007 Novels, Casino Royale, Live and Let Die and Moonraker. In the book, Bond drives one of the last blower Bentleys built, a battleship grey Convertible Coupé, with French Marchal headlamps and an Amherst Villiers supercharger. Interestingly, Ian Fleming himself owned a 'blower' from whence the inspiration for Bond's car came. Even more interesting is the fact Fleming bought the car from Amherst Villiers after it was produced for him by Bentley. The car was recently to be seen in the Yorkshire Motor Museum, Batley but since the museum's closure it has passed into a private collection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inside Ralph Lauren's car collection
The old W.O. Bentley's have a great following. Really active drivers club, and it's amazing how much remanufactured stuff you can still get for most of those early cars. Prices have really got kind of crazy over the past 15 years, but a lot of the guys who own those old cars, still get them out and enjoy them. Not sure how much enjoyment anyone would get trying to muscle one around London, but they are a devoted bunch who drive them. Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 17:47, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote: I was in England on business quite a bit in the 90s, I usually stayed in Richmond Hill (my hotel was just a few doors from Mick Jagger's place, or his [ex] wife's). It is an upscale suburb of London, lot of money there. I was walking to the train station one morning through some back streets, and what might have been a blower Bentley came roaring up the street. It looked like that in RL's collection, was dark green and made wonderful sounds. Looked like a handful to wrestle around though, the guy driving was working hard. --R On 1/21/2011 4:22 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: James Bond had an old supercharged Bentley. I always imagined it something like this. http://www.vanityfair.com/style/features/2011/01/ralph-lauren-garage-slide-show-201101#slide=11 From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentley_4%C2%BD_Litre This is the car author Ian Fleming first chose for James Bond. It is featured in three of the 007 Novels, Casino Royale, Live and Let Die and Moonraker. In the book, Bond drives one of the last blower Bentleys built, a battleship grey Convertible Coupé, with French Marchal headlamps and an Amherst Villiers supercharger. Interestingly, Ian Fleming himself owned a 'blower' from whence the inspiration for Bond's car came. Even more interesting is the fact Fleming bought the car from Amherst Villiers after it was produced for him by Bentley. The car was recently to be seen in the Yorkshire Motor Museum, Batley but since the museum's closure it has passed into a private collection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
Sounds like it would be fun getting into the throttle, and trying to keep the front wheels on the ground! hee hee Ed 911SC On 21 January 2011 17:29, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: I recall a mag article where I believe they installed the 455 cid engine and drive out of a Olds Toronado into a 911. They put together some old suitcases and cut out the back side of them to act as a cover for the engine so you could see the suitcases in the back part of the car behind the seats. Randy On 21/01/2011 3:04 PM, E M wrote: I've seen a couple of those in mags too. Not sure just what work it involved, but having owned a Chev 350, and a 911, it looks like more than a bolt in to me. The pics I've seem make it more into a mid engine car, and the rear seats are sacrificed to make room for the engine. I've also heard of guys dropping in a Subaru engine. Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 15:24, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote: I saw at a car show in Houston a guy who had fabbed up a kit to put a 350 in a 911, it fit in quite nicely. The guy said it made sense if you had a car with a blown engine (which you could find cheap), and wanted to make insane power out of the 350. --R On 1/21/2011 2:36 PM, E M wrote: A friend was thinking of shoving a Chebby engine into an old Porsche 928. Certainly lower the running costs. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Is that Z4 in Ferrari disguise?
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/01/ferrari-aims-a-shooting-brake-at-high-end-sedans/#more-31709 But a good video there --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is that Z3 in Ferrari disguise?
On 1/21/2011 6:18 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/01/ferrari-aims-a-shooting-brake-at-high-end-sedans/#more-31709 But a good video there --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is that Z3 in Ferrari disguise?
Rich Thomas wrote: On 1/21/2011 6:18 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/01/ferrari-aims-a-shooting-brake-at-high-end-sedans/#more-31709 That reminds me. I saw something odd last week, I want to call it a New Mini Shooting Brake. Didn't know BMW made Mini wagons. http://www.edmunds.com/mini/cooper-clubman/2011/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is that Z3 in Ferrari disguise?
They've been around for awhile now. But as shooting brake gun car, they're only good for transporting sawed off shotguns to the range. hee hee Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 19:42, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: On 1/21/2011 6:18 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/01/ferrari-aims-a-shooting-brake-at-high-end-sedans/#more-31709 That reminds me. I saw something odd last week, I want to call it a New Mini Shooting Brake. Didn't know BMW made Mini wagons. http://www.edmunds.com/mini/cooper-clubman/2011/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? The engine costs less but then you have to fabricate or rig parts for the swap. This guy claimed he had $7,000 invested in the swap... and was asking $2K for the car. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mistaken ID
At I am relieved to know that I can still count to eight. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: You're right, that is what it says NOW. I was right, with what it said THEN. Whoops. That's our mistake—the shot is actually of a W196, an eight-cylinder car and one of the 194's successors. I included it to illustrate the 194's frame design (the two cars shared a construction philosophy), and because images of naked 194s are actually quite scarce. The caption text was my error, and has since been changed. Thanks! David Bruckmann wrote: No, the web page clearly says it is a 196, to wit: Above: A naked Mercedes-Benz W196 racer, one of the W194's successors. (Note the later, eight-cylinder powerplant.) Few pictures exist of unclothed 194s, so we chose this image for illustrative purposes. The 196's construction and space-frame design were similar to that of the 194. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: I THINK YOU ARE DOING THAT WRONG
Don't know whether they have such a big body of water in OK but 16 was definateley OK. From the steak house to the coffee shop and grab some beers on the way home, a slice of the pie. Hendrik OK Don wrote: I will then - Numbers 8 and 16 could well have been taken in Oklahoma! OK Don wrote: I will then - Numbers 8 and 16 could well have been taken in Oklahoma! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: I THINK YOU ARE DOING THAT WRONG
I came, I saw, I vomited, I left. Hendrik who is quoting Cesar I believe Rich Thomas wrote: Come to the dark side, Luke... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor and unshaven.
And you have the 5 o'clock shadow and big pouty lips to go with it? http://c1.gas2.org/files/2011/01/s350d_21.jpg Hendrik who is a bit past a 5 o'clock shadow, has more the 240D type beard John Freer wrote: UGLY, are you kidding? This latest S Class has been the best selling S class in the history of MB. For the first time ever, they have outsold the Lexus and the Audi A8 combined. OK, I am prejudiced as I have had my 07 for 3 weeks now and just had to have one for the styling, features and interior comfortwonderful car! Of course I wouldn't have bought it without the 3 year CPO warranty! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inside Ralph Lauren's car collection
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:46:28 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: I knew he had a thing for Ferraris, but not THIS big a thing! http://www.vanityfair.com/style/features/2011/01/ralph-lauren-garage-slide-show-201101 The 1948 Ford “Woody” Station Wagon seems a little out of place. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
And it is worth $200 to $300, because if you read the ad, it doesn't run. It is a heap of junk. Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? The engine costs less but then you have to fabricate or rig parts for the swap. This guy claimed he had $7,000 invested in the swap... and was asking $2K for the car. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor and excitable
Don't know whether a car has ever made me go weak at the knees, guess I am not that much of a 'car guy'. However I tend not to go much to the beach these days as my knees can't take the strain and the missus keeps hitting me. Hendrik who is weak in the head E M wrote: I have to agree. When the S550 came out, it was the first Mercedes in years that made me weak in the knees. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
The VB commodore (which was based on an Opel) has a strong resemblance to a 123. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1978-1980_Holden_VB_Commodore_3.3_sedan_02.jpg http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/vb-vk-holden-commodore-1978-1985/109680-11-79-vb-commodore-210-stroker-wide-bay.html Hendrik Dieselhead wrote: Chicken/egg You have to look carefully which came first. In most cases, automotive features, including styling, come from Stuttgart, and spread elsewhere. (tip o' t' hat to Jaimie) That said, I sure prefer the looks of the 113, 123, 124 and especially the 126 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel S Class making a comeback for the poor and unshaven.
Hendrik, the only thing pouty on me goes around my waist and the only hair growing above my nose is out of my ears and nose but I do have the 240D facial hair. That's the poster boy for the diesel crowd. John who is now using the leave blower instead of a California Duster on my black MB. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: And you have the 5 o'clock shadow and big pouty lips to go with it? http://c1.gas2.org/files/2011/01/s350d_21.jpg Hendrik who is a bit past a 5 o'clock shadow, has more the 240D type beard John Freer wrote: UGLY, are you kidding? This latest S Class has been the best selling S class in the history of MB. For the first time ever, they have outsold the Lexus and the Audi A8 combined. OK, I am prejudiced as I have had my 07 for 3 weeks now and just had to have one for the styling, features and interior comfortwonderful car! Of course I wouldn't have bought it without the 3 year CPO warranty! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] CL Photo Award of the Day
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/2171742036.html Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tail heavy
...I recall a mag article where I believe they installed the 455 cid engine and drive out of a Olds Toronado into a 911... I saw that car decades ago. The 911 was a Turbo, maybe about '79. Can you spell oversteer? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] olden Holden
The VB commodore (which was based on an Opel) has a strong resemblance to a 123... They both have four wheels. What else, pray? The appearance of the car gives new meaning to the word cheap. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL Photo Award of the Day
I think he could've back up a few more feet. What No ICE COLD A/C?? Russ W. _ From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 9:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] CL Photo Award of the Day http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/2171742036.html Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3394 - Release Date: 01/21/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL Photo Award of the Day
A fifty footer? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 1/21/2011 9:59 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/2171742036.html Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tail heavy
Actually I knew the guy that first did that. This had to be in the mid 70's. His name was Duncan Blundrett and he was the service manager at Bill Yates VW/Porsche in San Juan Capistrano, CA. As I remember the first car to receive this conversion was one of a couple of 912's that Duncan got for a song from the insurance company. Someone had stolen them and pulled out the engines, most likely to put in a v-dub. I think that the Toronado engine was also out of an insurance settlement from a wrecked car. The neat part of this kit, yes Duncan was selling kits for the conversion for a while, was that there was no cutting involved. I heard him tell folks more than once that he could pull out the Olds mill/transaxle and have it back to stock Porsche in a matter of hours. The only thing you would notice standing next to the car was the radiator showing through the engine hood and the one large exhaust pipe out the back that sure didn't sound like a 6 cyl. Boxer engine. Also Duncan bought a stack of large suitcases and glued them together then hollowed out the bottom of the stack to use as an engine cover so it would be a real sleeper otherwise you would have seen the engine in the back seat. I never did get to go for a ride in the car but I was told that it was somewhat limited because it was geared for a big heavy car. If you stomped on it from a start it would pin you back in the seat like a drag racer but the top speed was very limited as the gearing would cause the engine to redline way before you ran out of horsepower. That was the one Porsche body. The other one he had a pretty much stock 140HP Corvair engine in it. Crown manufacturing made the conversion kit for that as I recall. The only rub was that the Corvair engine ran the wrong direction for the Porsche so you had to flip the pistons over on the con rods and change the distributor drive gear on the camshaft and the distributor drive shaft so it could run backwards. I think the stock cam still worked ok with the new gear but not sure. I had also heard that Duncan had varying parts of a couple of M/B gullwings, though I never saw them. Barry -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes- boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of relng...@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:22 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] tail heavy ...I recall a mag article where I believe they installed the 455 cid engine and drive out of a Olds Toronado into a 911... I saw that car decades ago. The 911 was a Turbo, maybe about '79. Can you spell oversteer? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
