Re: [MBZ] more maintenance
Maybe, the oil filter is made of fleece? That was my first thought :D. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes
oops, sorry, the S threw me. We just call wagons wagons here. Last diesel wagon was a 124 as far as I know. 124 wagons were quite popular, but much less so with the 210. They looked too much like a hearse to really catch on. The next model of wagon seemed to do somewhat better, but still you didn't see them around like the old 124 wagons. Ed 300E On 25 January 2011 23:34, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > S210 Diesel wagons? What do they go for now? > > > We had diesels here in Canada. >> >> Ed >> 300E >> >> On 25 January 2011 23:08, Hendrik & Fay wrote: >> >> I liked the 210 when it first came out but now I am not so sure, the >>> back >>> end is a bit bland, I still like the front end but the interior is not >>> as >>> nice as a 124. >>> And I am pretty sure they never brought out a S210 with Diesel engine. >>> >>> Hendrik >>> who still misses his W123, especially after driving the mao beast >>> >>> >>> OK Don wrote: >>> >>> The only thing wrong with it is that you haven't brought it home for Fay to drive yet -- You might want to check the front spring upper mounts --- On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Hendrik & Fay >>> >wrote: > > > http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/MERCEDES/E300/details.aspx?R=8574713 > what's wrong with this? > > Hendrik > >>> -- >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California girl explains it all
Oh dear, like, my, she, like, sounds, like, she's, like, smart, like, a, like, vegetable, like. Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 1/25/2011 10:37 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: This reminds me of the logic of the current "maintenance" discussion. You will be tearing your hair out before she finishes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5oVzbwYWpg&feature=player_embedded RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California girl explains it all
That reminds me, I must add that to my to-do list get some vegetable trees for the garden this Spring. Ed 300E On 25 January 2011 23:37, wrote: > This reminds me of the logic of the current "maintenance" discussion. You > will be tearing your hair out before she finishes. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5oVzbwYWpg&feature=player_embedded > > RLE > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] California girl explains it all
This reminds me of the logic of the current "maintenance" discussion. You will be tearing your hair out before she finishes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5oVzbwYWpg&feature=player_embedded RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes
S210 Diesel wagons? What do they go for now? We had diesels here in Canada. Ed 300E On 25 January 2011 23:08, Hendrik & Fay wrote: I liked the 210 when it first came out but now I am not so sure, the back end is a bit bland, I still like the front end but the interior is not as nice as a 124. And I am pretty sure they never brought out a S210 with Diesel engine. Hendrik who still misses his W123, especially after driving the mao beast OK Don wrote: The only thing wrong with it is that you haven't brought it home for Fay to drive yet -- You might want to check the front spring upper mounts --- On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote: http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/MERCEDES/E300/details.aspx?R=8574713 what's wrong with this? Hendrik >>> -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more maintenance
There goes Woger again. Only HIS well trained MB gassers "now change [their own] oil and .. filter at 10 k miles.." He got the fleecing wrong though. He should have said, "MB gassers now change their own oil and filter at 10 k miles, and the stealership fleeces the owner, RLE" BTW, MB gassers now change oil and fleece > filter at 10K miles except the AMG cars. > RLE > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Are we getting heavier or lighter? Well people in the US aren't.
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:16:19 +1030 Hendrik & Fay wrote: > http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20028-briefing-how-to-redefine-the-kilogram.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news > > Hendrik > who is going to pretend he understood all that Thanks for posting that, Hendrick. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:15:01 +1030 Hendrik & Fay wrote: > Lets assume it has done a few trips on the ferrywhich I have > done as well. > No there is something not quite right. He says it takes 9 - 10 liters / 100 km, that's 23 - 26 mpg. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes
We had diesels here in Canada. Ed 300E On 25 January 2011 23:08, Hendrik & Fay wrote: > I liked the 210 when it first came out but now I am not so sure, the back > end is a bit bland, I still like the front end but the interior is not as > nice as a 124. > And I am pretty sure they never brought out a S210 with Diesel engine. > > Hendrik > who still misses his W123, especially after driving the mao beast > > > OK Don wrote: > >> The only thing wrong with it is that you haven't brought it home for Fay >> to >> drive yet -- >> You might want to check the front spring upper mounts --- >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Hendrik & Fay > >wrote: >> >> >> >>> >>> http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/MERCEDES/E300/details.aspx?R=8574713 >>> what's wrong with this? >>> >>> Hendrik >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >> OK Don >> 2001 ML320 >> 1992 300D 2.5T >> 1990 300D 2.5T >> 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more maintenance
Or 365 days, whichever is less according to the on-board HAL. John On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:13 PM, wrote: >> ...Not quite sure what you mean by this? Don't modern engines need oil >> changes and such? All the Diesels I have had needed bugger all maintenance... >> > Sure enough. I don't know what "the book" specifies for diesel oil change > intervals but my friend AC changes the Mobil 1 in his 2007 Bluetec each 5K > miles which is more often than MB recommends but with several million diesel > miles driven, he says it makes him feel good. The car at almost four years > has been problem free which is a vast improvement over the smokers (while in > warranty) of 30 years ago. Speaking from personal experience. > > His 2007 and my 2008 C300 have been as trouble free as the non-MB owning > public always though they were. BTW, MB gassers now change oil and fleece > filter at 10K miles except the AMG cars. > > RLE > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nice, eh?
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:31:35 -0600 Mountain Man wrote: > ebay auction 170594185024 > mao http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_rdc=1&item=170594185024 This is a VERY RARE and UNIQUE piece that you will NOT FIND ANYWHERE ELSE! That's for sure! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more maintenance
> ...Not quite sure what you mean by this? Don't modern engines need oil > changes and such? All the Diesels I have had needed bugger all maintenance... > Sure enough. I don't know what "the book" specifies for diesel oil change intervals but my friend AC changes the Mobil 1 in his 2007 Bluetec each 5K miles which is more often than MB recommends but with several million diesel miles driven, he says it makes him feel good. The car at almost four years has been problem free which is a vast improvement over the smokers (while in warranty) of 30 years ago. Speaking from personal experience. His 2007 and my 2008 C300 have been as trouble free as the non-MB owning public always though they were. BTW, MB gassers now change oil and fleece filter at 10K miles except the AMG cars. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
Hmmnh after a while the stink of Diesel gets a bit old. Hendrik who usually stinks of Diesel, dirt and grease OK Don wrote: Ahh - we've left out the fragrant exhaust of a Diesel - vs. the stringent odor of a gasser -- or did the urea injection kill even the smell of Diesel? There is still the increased torque of a Diesel over a gasser! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes
Hendrik wrote: > who still misses his W123, especially after driving the mao beast I really shoulda let you drive the 4-speed. World of difference in enjoyment. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes
Not extremely high, Mercs tend to cost a lot more over here. Specially seeing that an Oz bean is worth as much as a US peso. Hendrik who masochistically buys cheap Mercs, yes I know, I have been warned Dieselhead wrote: Uh.. $14,990 Oz bucks seems high? http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/MERCEDES/E300/details.aspx?R=8574713 what's wrong with this? Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Are we getting heavier or lighter? Well people in the US aren't.
And, what's the speed of light got to do with this? Perhaps you need to pay your electric bill? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter driving, was: Check Engine Light Update
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:35:23 -0600 OK Don wrote: > I do realize that the 4WD and traction control will let me drive way too > fast for the conditions - I don't plan to do that - must be careful not > to get over confident Tape a sign on the visor: "Must be careful to not get over confident!" Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
Sheesh - that makes me a newbee at 30 years. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Craig wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:51:48 -0500 "WILTON" wrote: > > > I've had MB Diesels continuously for 32 years; 'thought I'd continue to > > do so; 'also had coupla Caravans few years ago. > > It's hard to believe I have had MB Diesels longer than Wilton. > I bought my first in August, 1972. > > > Craig > -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes
I liked the 210 when it first came out but now I am not so sure, the back end is a bit bland, I still like the front end but the interior is not as nice as a 124. And I am pretty sure they never brought out a S210 with Diesel engine. Hendrik who still misses his W123, especially after driving the mao beast OK Don wrote: The only thing wrong with it is that you haven't brought it home for Fay to drive yet -- You might want to check the front spring upper mounts --- On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote: http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/MERCEDES/E300/details.aspx?R=8574713 what's wrong with this? Hendrik -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Are we getting heavier or lighter? Well people in the US aren't.
being on the left side of the pond, we were probably taught wrong. Perhaps the liter of water is defined as equalling one Kg of water, not the other way around. Otherwise - yes, 20C, no minerals or disolved gasses, etc., 1l=1Kg. (IIRC). On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sounds like OZ and the frogs are having buoyancy problems. > Here in the USA, we still weigh the same, cuz we are stuck with the good > ol' british system, pounds and ounces. > > I was taught in school that a Kg was the weight of one liter of water. I > guess that is not a good enough standard. I guess that would very with temp > and the suspended mineral, or lack of. I thought the temp was specified, > and I'd think the standard would be purified water. > -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light Update
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:28:33 -0600 Donald Snook wrote: > By the way, I cannot explain this, but this 124 drives VASTLY better > than any other Mercedes I have driven in the snow/ice. I don't know if > its just better tires or what. So, what kind/size of tires do you have? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:51:48 -0500 "WILTON" wrote: > I've had MB Diesels continuously for 32 years; 'thought I'd continue to > do so; 'also had coupla Caravans few years ago. It's hard to believe I have had MB Diesels longer than Wilton. I bought my first in August, 1972. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] relative maintenance
Ah - but you come from an aviation background, where you overhaul the engine at 1500 hrs (or whatever), do a top overhaul when the compression varies x% or is lower that the stanard, do a thorough annual inspection that looks into every nook and cranny of the bird, etc. Most cars don't get that kind of attention. Mine don't, even though I know better -- On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:00 PM, wrote: > If this theory were true, and it isn't entirely, your suggestion that > somehow diesel owners are so much more savvy about this than we gassers > cannot be > proven. And after all, reading the posts on this list daily reveals that > most of the diesel owners do in fact drive them until something breaks. > That's > where the vast majority of the posts reveal. "My vacuum pump broke and my > car inhaled the parts, my glow plugs aren't glowing, I just discovered that > my rear brakes haven't been working for a long time" (remember that one?) > and > on and on. There is such a thing as deciding that a certain component is > near the end of it's service life so it should be changed. That is in fact > what maintenance is and not just fluids and filters. Not running the thing > into > the ground and then crying for help and of course at minimum cost. > > Just today when I was dismounting my winter wheels & tires, I examined the > brake pads and it looks like at 25K miles, they are less than 1/2 worn. And > I measured the tread depth on the summer tires and it looks like they will > make 40K miles which is not bad considering the 140 treadwear rating. > > RLE > -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Are we getting heavier or lighter? Well people in the US aren't.
Sounds like OZ and the frogs are having buoyancy problems. Here in the USA, we still weigh the same, cuz we are stuck with the good ol' british system, pounds and ounces. I was taught in school that a Kg was the weight of one liter of water. I guess that is not a good enough standard. I guess that would very with temp and the suspended mineral, or lack of. I thought the temp was specified, and I'd think the standard would be purified water. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20028-briefing-how-to-redefine-the-kilogram.html?DCMP=OTC- rss&nsref=online-news Hendrik who is going to pretend he understood all that ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] relative maintenance
> most people don't really maintain their cars these days... they wait > for > something to go wrong > > Either that, or they don't have the money or would rather spend it on > other > things because it does still drive down the road, you know. It boggles > the > mind to notice how many cars are out there with squeaking/screaming > breaks, > rattly axles, leaky exhaust, etc > If this theory were true, and it isn't entirely, your suggestion that somehow diesel owners are so much more savvy about this than we gassers cannot be proven. And after all, reading the posts on this list daily reveals that most of the diesel owners do in fact drive them until something breaks. That's where the vast majority of the posts reveal. "My vacuum pump broke and my car inhaled the parts, my glow plugs aren't glowing, I just discovered that my rear brakes haven't been working for a long time" (remember that one?) and on and on. There is such a thing as deciding that a certain component is near the end of it's service life so it should be changed. That is in fact what maintenance is and not just fluids and filters. Not running the thing into the ground and then crying for help and of course at minimum cost. Just today when I was dismounting my winter wheels & tires, I examined the brake pads and it looks like at 25K miles, they are less than 1/2 worn. And I measured the tread depth on the summer tires and it looks like they will make 40K miles which is not bad considering the 140 treadwear rating. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Are we getting heavier or lighter? Well people in the US aren't.
While you blokes don't know whether you're getting heavier or lighter because you don't have a reliable standard, those of us in the US have no doubt - we ARE getting HEAVIER. The news media tells us that every other day. Must be true. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote: > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20028-briefing-how-to-redefine-the-kilogram.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news > > Hendrik > who is going to pretend he understood all that > > -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes
That's just a negotiation starting point --- On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Uh.. $14,990 Oz bucks seems high? > > > > >> http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/MERCEDES/E300/details.aspx?R=8574713 >> what's wrong with this? >> >> Hendrik >> >> -- >> > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
Ahh - we've left out the fragrant exhaust of a Diesel - vs. the stringent odor of a gasser -- or did the urea injection kill even the smell of Diesel? There is still the increased torque of a Diesel over a gasser! On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote: > Sure CDI engines use less fuel than an equivalent petrol engine but as has > been said, spending 1000's to save a few dollars on fuel (comparing fuel > economy of a SDL to a CDI) is not a strong factor. > I can't see how a CDI has lower maintenance costs than a petrol engine, see > next comment. > Modern CDI engines have just as much electronics as petrol engines, they > have very little in common with old mechanical Diesel engines. The only real > difference I can see between CDI and petrol is the fuel they use, both have > electronic injection. > Longer life engines have yet to be proven, as you need to have a > comparative tests. Saying a CDI in taxi service lasts 500K miles plus versus > a petrol engine in Mum taxi mode which doesn't make it to 200K is not > accurate. Over here taxis use petrol engines on LPG and they get good life > out of their engines. > Better resale yes but also higher purchase cost. > Using anything but proper Diesel in a CDI is not a good idea. > Not as much klatta in a CDI, compared to the mechanical injection Diesels. > > Basically if Wilton reckons it's time for a newy, then he has to do the > math and figure out which is best for him. > Another thing to consider is that you know what the SDL is like, buying > another car is always a gamble. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W210 > > Hendrik > who is happy with his 'old' S124 > > -- > OK Don Grasping for reasons to still lust after Diesel Mercedes 20 years from now --- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes
Uh.. $14,990 Oz bucks seems high? http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/MERCEDES/E300/details.aspx?R=8574713 what's wrong with this? Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
Sure they did, rip out your pooch engine and stick in a "rest of the world" (Non NA) supabrew Diesel. Henny can help you find a donor car in OZ. You know Wilton, Porsche doesn't make a diesel 911.yet. ;-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Are we getting heavier or lighter? Well people in the US aren't.
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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes
The only thing wrong with it is that you haven't brought it home for Fay to drive yet -- You might want to check the front spring upper mounts --- On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote: > > http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/MERCEDES/E300/details.aspx?R=8574713 > what's wrong with this? > > Hendrik > -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes
Lets assume it has done a few trips on the ferrywhich I have done as well. No there is something not quite right. Hendrik who liked Ireland and it's stout beers E M wrote: Managed to do almost 240,000 in Ireland in 11 years. Must have driven around the country a couple of times each day of those 11 years. hee hee Ed 300E On 25 January 2011 22:10, Hendrik & Fay wrote: http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/MERCEDES/E300/details.aspx?R=8574713 what's wrong with this? Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes
Managed to do almost 240,000 in Ireland in 11 years. Must have driven around the country a couple of times each day of those 11 years. hee hee Ed 300E On 25 January 2011 22:10, Hendrik & Fay wrote: > > http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/MERCEDES/E300/details.aspx?R=8574713 > what's wrong with this? > > Hendrik > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
Yeah and you'd think a B-52 driver would feel claustrophobic in a E class. Hendrik who feels claustrophobic in a 201 Mitch Haley wrote: Hendrik & Fay wrote: Sure CDI engines use less fuel than an equivalent petrol engine but as has been said, spending 1000's to save a few dollars on fuel (comparing fuel economy of a SDL to a CDI) is not a strong factor. Good point. Whatever happened to "I'd still be driving my 240D if some fool hadn't wrecked it for me"? That 350SDL is a lot newer than the 240D. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
Yeah I am pretty sure the W110 did not have a CDI and only barely had an engine at all but did have some aerodynamic aids on the back, inspired by WW2 V2 rockets. However Wilton asked what years the 210 was produced, typing W210 into a search engine is beyond the comprehension of a B-52 pilot (it's not in the manual), so I did it for him. Hendrik who is watching the sky for a big plane with big bombs and an angry man at the controls John Freer wrote: We're talking about CDI modelshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W211. No US CDI models in the W110. You're one model behind. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nice, eh?
A bit of warning would have been nice!! I nearly had a heart attack. Then I may have needed this http://cgi.ebay.com/Ferno-Model-24-Mortuary-Cot-Gurney_W0QQitemZ170594936733QQcategoryZ11821QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D170592921145%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6630771447138519284 Hendrik who is still alive..just Mountain Man wrote: ebay auction 170594185024 mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light Update
201s are the same way but worse... For my '84 I've done: rear links rear subframe mounts (4) rear shocks steering shock drag link idler arm bushings wheel bearings (both front, one rear) and its almost there. I've got the tie rods yet to do and it'll need another alignment (regardless after its trip into the ditch) and new tires. -Curt Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:56:54 -0600 From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light Update Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Glad you figured out the codes and the reset. I can explain the difference in your 124s. The current one has no loose suspension parts and is correctly aligned. Few 124s are anymore, unless the owner has spent a lot of time and money to correct it or to keep it correct. I have spent 3 years and quite a bit of time and money on my 124, and it is pretty good, but not perfect. It is now a joy to drive, but it is still not quite right. I suspect maybe some worn parts in the front, but not the normal items, as they are new. >By the way, I cannot explain this, but this 124 drives VASTLY better >than any other Mercedes I have driven in the snow/ice. I don't know >if its just better tires or what. But, I used to have to put snow >tires on my 90 124 diesel and the 90 126. But, this car did great! > >Donald H. Snook >1995 E320 101K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Irish Mercedes
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Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
You know Wilton, Porsche doesn't make a diesel 911.yet. ;-) Ed 300E On 25 January 2011 20:22, Hendrik & Fay wrote: > Sure CDI engines use less fuel than an equivalent petrol engine but as has > been said, spending 1000's to save a few dollars on fuel (comparing fuel > economy of a SDL to a CDI) is not a strong factor. > I can't see how a CDI has lower maintenance costs than a petrol engine, see > next comment. > Modern CDI engines have just as much electronics as petrol engines, they > have very little in common with old mechanical Diesel engines. The only real > difference I can see between CDI and petrol is the fuel they use, both have > electronic injection. > Longer life engines have yet to be proven, as you need to have a > comparative tests. Saying a CDI in taxi service lasts 500K miles plus versus > a petrol engine in Mum taxi mode which doesn't make it to 200K is not > accurate. Over here taxis use petrol engines on LPG and they get good life > out of their engines. > Better resale yes but also higher purchase cost. > Using anything but proper Diesel in a CDI is not a good idea. > Not as much klatta in a CDI, compared to the mechanical injection Diesels. > > Basically if Wilton reckons it's time for a newy, then he has to do the > math and figure out which is best for him. > Another thing to consider is that you know what the SDL is like, buying > another car is always a gamble. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W210 > > Hendrik > who is happy with his 'old' S124 > > ernest breakfield wrote: > >> - lower fuel consumption >> - lower maintenance costs >> - better reliability >> - engines live longer (with proper care) >> - better resale value (even with high mileage) >> - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel >> - because you love the klatta',... >> >>that last one will do it for lots of guys; you might not need any more. >>;-) >> >> >> cheers! >> e >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
Yeah, whining for an SDL again. I don't blame him, but he had his chances. I offered him my really nice 87 SDL, but he wimped out. oh boy here we go, pretty soon snookie will be looking for another car. On 1/25/2011 3:05 PM, Donald Snook wrote: Ernest wrote re: the advantages of diesel: - lower fuel consumption - lower maintenance costs - better reliability - engines live longer (with proper care) - better resale value (even with high mileage) - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel - because you love the klatta',... For me, the reason I loved the diesels I had were fuel efficiency (the 124 turbo diesel gets great mileage) and the resale value. A gas model with 200,000 miles isn't worth much, but a diesel is worth significantly more. I do love my 124 gasser. 1995 was the best year in my opinion. It's a great driving car. The only thing is its getting a little small for me. I had three passengers a few weeks ago and it was pretty crowded. I still see my BMW 740iL around town. I miss that car. It had LOADS of room. I do wish I had my 124 diesel back. Or, if I could find a really 126 diesel. One of these days, I might have to get a CDI. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light Update
Glad you figured out the codes and the reset. I can explain the difference in your 124s. The current one has no loose suspension parts and is correctly aligned. Few 124s are anymore, unless the owner has spent a lot of time and money to correct it or to keep it correct. I have spent 3 years and quite a bit of time and money on my 124, and it is pretty good, but not perfect. It is now a joy to drive, but it is still not quite right. I suspect maybe some worn parts in the front, but not the normal items, as they are new. By the way, I cannot explain this, but this 124 drives VASTLY better than any other Mercedes I have driven in the snow/ice. I don't know if its just better tires or what. But, I used to have to put snow tires on my 90 124 diesel and the 90 126. But, this car did great! Donald H. Snook 1995 E320 101K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
oh boy here we go, pretty soon snookie will be looking for another car. On 1/25/2011 3:05 PM, Donald Snook wrote: Ernest wrote re: the advantages of diesel: - lower fuel consumption - lower maintenance costs - better reliability - engines live longer (with proper care) - better resale value (even with high mileage) - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel - because you love the klatta',... For me, the reason I loved the diesels I had were fuel efficiency (the 124 turbo diesel gets great mileage) and the resale value. A gas model with 200,000 miles isn't worth much, but a diesel is worth significantly more. I do love my 124 gasser. 1995 was the best year in my opinion. It's a great driving car. The only thing is its getting a little small for me. I had three passengers a few weeks ago and it was pretty crowded. I still see my BMW 740iL around town. I miss that car. It had LOADS of room. I do wish I had my 124 diesel back. Or, if I could find a really 126 diesel. One of these days, I might have to get a CDI. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3400 - Release Date: 01/24/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning
The way I always did it with 617 engines I would turn the key on and let the light go out, turn key off them back on for another cycle, then back on and when the light goes out the 3rd time crank it until it either starts or the battery goes dead. On 1/25/2011 7:58 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Pretty much... Glow plugs take longer to get up to full temp than it does for the light to go off. The light is only a suggestion of time and has no real connection to whats going on with the plugs. Tthe plugs are still powered until the relay goes clunk sometime later (I think you can hear this in my video). I forget how long it takes them to reach their hottest, but its something like 20-30 seconds. Then you start cranking, and the power to the plugs is off, so they start cooling... if the engine doesn't start, things go downhill as there is less heat from the plugs. But there is still some fuel burning as this point, just not well enough to run the engine. You'll note that smoke comes out of the exhaust. The heat from this burning slowly increases to the point that the engine will run. If your car won't start in the winter, its a good possibility you're not trying hard enough. Remeber, manual states "do no release key until engine is firing regularly" and they mean it. If your battery can't take it, you need a new one. You also need clean grounds and a good starter. Every little bit helps here. I usually keep the accelerator about half way down. Always worked for me. Jaime On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Craig wrote: On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:18:15 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: I am not sure why, but as I said, when I have been in that situation if I push the pedal down it seems to slow the cranking down. I would like to know why. Sprays of nice, cold diesel cooling down the tip of the glow plug? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3400 - Release Date: 01/24/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
Yeah, I probably would still be driving the 240D, and I probably will keep driving the 350SDL a lot longer if it'll be "nice" to me. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel Hendrik & Fay wrote: Sure CDI engines use less fuel than an equivalent petrol engine but as has been said, spending 1000's to save a few dollars on fuel (comparing fuel economy of a SDL to a CDI) is not a strong factor. Good point. Whatever happened to "I'd still be driving my 240D if some fool hadn't wrecked it for me"? That 350SDL is a lot newer than the 240D. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nice, eh?
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Re: [MBZ] Nice, eh?
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Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
Yeah, an 05 is a 211, isn't it? I was thinking it's a 210. Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: "John Freer" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel We're talking about CDI modelshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W211. No US CDI models in the W110. You're one model behind. John On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote: Sure CDI engines use less fuel than an equivalent petrol engine but as has been said, spending 1000's to save a few dollars on fuel (comparing fuel economy of a SDL to a CDI) is not a strong factor. I can't see how a CDI has lower maintenance costs than a petrol engine, see next comment. Modern CDI engines have just as much electronics as petrol engines, they have very little in common with old mechanical Diesel engines. The only real difference I can see between CDI and petrol is the fuel they use, both have electronic injection. Longer life engines have yet to be proven, as you need to have a comparative tests. Saying a CDI in taxi service lasts 500K miles plus versus a petrol engine in Mum taxi mode which doesn't make it to 200K is not accurate. Over here taxis use petrol engines on LPG and they get good life out of their engines. Better resale yes but also higher purchase cost. Using anything but proper Diesel in a CDI is not a good idea. Not as much klatta in a CDI, compared to the mechanical injection Diesels. Basically if Wilton reckons it's time for a newy, then he has to do the math and figure out which is best for him. Another thing to consider is that you know what the SDL is like, buying another car is always a gamble. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W210 Hendrik who is happy with his 'old' S124 ernest breakfield wrote: - lower fuel consumption - lower maintenance costs - better reliability - engines live longer (with proper care) - better resale value (even with high mileage) - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel - because you love the klatta',... that last one will do it for lots of guys; you might not need any more. ;-) cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
Hendrik & Fay wrote: Sure CDI engines use less fuel than an equivalent petrol engine but as has been said, spending 1000's to save a few dollars on fuel (comparing fuel economy of a SDL to a CDI) is not a strong factor. Good point. Whatever happened to "I'd still be driving my 240D if some fool hadn't wrecked it for me"? That 350SDL is a lot newer than the 240D. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning
Marshall and I argued about this one time. I was of the same opinion as you and I figure the ongoing failures will usually occur when its really cold or raining or in some other way miserable... Which reminds me I should order new plugs for my "new" 190D. -Curt Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:37:46 -0500 From: Jaime Kopchinski To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I found a reliable test is to measure the current draw on each one... when you have an under performer its quite easy to see. Measuring resistance isn't reliable. I've never tired to test them outside of the car... I don't see how you can really test them effectively without some metrics. You can measure current draw by connecting an ammeter between the fuse on the GP relay and each pin in the GP harness that attaches to the relay, one at a time. Also, I whenever I replace glow plugs, I replace all of them. I've played the one-at-a-time a few years ago with an old 300SD. When one dies, the others are not far behind. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
We're talking about CDI modelshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W211. No US CDI models in the W110. You're one model behind. John On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote: > Sure CDI engines use less fuel than an equivalent petrol engine but as has > been said, spending 1000's to save a few dollars on fuel (comparing fuel > economy of a SDL to a CDI) is not a strong factor. > I can't see how a CDI has lower maintenance costs than a petrol engine, see > next comment. > Modern CDI engines have just as much electronics as petrol engines, they > have very little in common with old mechanical Diesel engines. The only real > difference I can see between CDI and petrol is the fuel they use, both have > electronic injection. > Longer life engines have yet to be proven, as you need to have a comparative > tests. Saying a CDI in taxi service lasts 500K miles plus versus a petrol > engine in Mum taxi mode which doesn't make it to 200K is not accurate. Over > here taxis use petrol engines on LPG and they get good life out of their > engines. > Better resale yes but also higher purchase cost. > Using anything but proper Diesel in a CDI is not a good idea. > Not as much klatta in a CDI, compared to the mechanical injection Diesels. > > Basically if Wilton reckons it's time for a newy, then he has to do the math > and figure out which is best for him. > Another thing to consider is that you know what the SDL is like, buying > another car is always a gamble. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W210 > > Hendrik > who is happy with his 'old' S124 > > ernest breakfield wrote: >> >> - lower fuel consumption >> - lower maintenance costs >> - better reliability >> - engines live longer (with proper care) >> - better resale value (even with high mileage) >> - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel >> - because you love the klatta',... >> >> that last one will do it for lots of guys; you might not need any more. >> ;-) >> >> >> cheers! >> e >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Nice, eh?
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Re: [MBZ] Maintain?
Not quite sure what you mean by this? Don't modern engines need oil changes and such? All the Diesels I have had needed bugger all maintenance. Hendrik who would like a S124 with Diesel engine but none made it to Oz Jaime Kopchinski wrote: What Roger's point is, is that modern cars need much less maintenance than "older" Mercedes diesels. Cars suffer less from lack of maintenance now then they used to since so little maintenance is required in the first place. At least, thats one way to look at it. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
Sure CDI engines use less fuel than an equivalent petrol engine but as has been said, spending 1000's to save a few dollars on fuel (comparing fuel economy of a SDL to a CDI) is not a strong factor. I can't see how a CDI has lower maintenance costs than a petrol engine, see next comment. Modern CDI engines have just as much electronics as petrol engines, they have very little in common with old mechanical Diesel engines. The only real difference I can see between CDI and petrol is the fuel they use, both have electronic injection. Longer life engines have yet to be proven, as you need to have a comparative tests. Saying a CDI in taxi service lasts 500K miles plus versus a petrol engine in Mum taxi mode which doesn't make it to 200K is not accurate. Over here taxis use petrol engines on LPG and they get good life out of their engines. Better resale yes but also higher purchase cost. Using anything but proper Diesel in a CDI is not a good idea. Not as much klatta in a CDI, compared to the mechanical injection Diesels. Basically if Wilton reckons it's time for a newy, then he has to do the math and figure out which is best for him. Another thing to consider is that you know what the SDL is like, buying another car is always a gamble. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W210 Hendrik who is happy with his 'old' S124 ernest breakfield wrote: - lower fuel consumption - lower maintenance costs - better reliability - engines live longer (with proper care) - better resale value (even with high mileage) - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel - because you love the klatta',... that last one will do it for lots of guys; you might not need any more.;-) cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 380SL speedo Was: 107 CDs online?
Thanks! I think I should be able to pick up something from a working transmission sender. no nothing to me says the sender is no good. Guess after I try this, I should write it up, if I find some kind of signal. x The signal depends on the pickup, some are ripple current spikes or voltage spikes over the DC going to a coil. These will have two wires sometimes because you have to have the ground on the other side of the sensor circuit. If there is a single wire, look for voltage spikes as the ring goes past the pickup -- they work like a generator, with a magnet going past a coil. Might not be very big at low speed, should go up in voltage as the speed goes up. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 380SL speedo Was: 107 CDs online?
The signal depends on the pickup, some are ripple current spikes or voltage spikes over the DC going to a coil. These will have two wires sometimes because you have to have the ground on the other side of the sensor circuit. If there is a single wire, look for voltage spikes as the ring goes past the pickup -- they work like a generator, with a magnet going past a coil. Might not be very big at low speed, should go up in voltage as the speed goes up. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 380SL speedo Was: 107 CDs online?
And cheaper than a $5000 fluke... But I won't have either. I do have a selection of multimeters, from analog to digital. All I am looking for is some sign of life from the sender. (which I believe will be an on/off short to ground as the output shaft turns.) Is there some minimum speed needed for the "hall effect" to work? Maybe I should be measuring resistance to ground, with the + probe hooked to B+? No. Nearly all multimeters will average the inputs, giving you a relatively constant reading. They can all act quite different as you start to push the envelope. One set on AC might give you some kind of variable reading, which might be enough to prove that something was there. Better would be one (like my Flukes) that could measure the frequency of the waveform, even it it was confused about the voltage. A true RMS meter would probably give you an accurate reading, but what is the reference? Then you have to know the waveform, and what its RMS voltage should be. A non-true-RMS meter usually measures the peak voltage, and applies a correction factor for sine waves; that could work too but... A 'scope is simpler! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td engine
Ja,but... Andrew lives in DC, the land of flowing taxpayer money. That is just a few lattes out there. That is what Andrew wanted I believe, but one kilobuck is a mite pricey, no? --R On 1/24/2011 10:34 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: it that's what it is not mine, etc http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/pts/2149208652.html Mercedes 300 TD Engine only - $1000 (Ripley,WV) Date: 2011-01-07, 6:45PM EST Reply to: sale-eeb9m-2149208...@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?] I have a 1985 300TD Engine. It is in great shape , you can hear it run. Location: Ripley,WV thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning
> Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > I found a reliable test is to measure the current draw on each > one... when you have an under performer its quite easy to > see. Been using it for years. My notes on the process. (Note - this method is for the "new" parallel pencil plugs) This method uses an old-fashioned automotive ammeter. The ones that display -30,0,+30. I put 12AWG wire leads on it. To use it, I pop the top off of the glow relay and unplug the connector for the glow plugs. There is a contact for each glow plug in this connector, so I clip on meter lead to the fused side of the big, screw-in fuse and then touch each contact, one at a time. The socket has pin numbers molded into it, and these numbers correspond to the cylinder number. This method tests the supply 12V, the wire, and the plug. When cold, a good plug draws about 20A (Well, on my meter it point to the mark for 20 amps. I have not calibrated or tested the accuracy of that meter...) It will drop back to about 15A after 8-10 seconds. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Maintain
What Roger's point is, is that modern cars need much less maintenance than "older" Mercedes diesels. Cars suffer less from lack of maintenance now then they used to since so little maintenance is required in the first place. At least, thats one way to look at it. Jaime On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:50 PM, wrote: > > > > most people don't really maintain > > > their cars these days... they wait for something to go wrong... > > > > > When you say "maintain", what exactly do you mean? > > > > > > > If I had to guess, I'd say he means adhering to the manufacturer's > maintenance schedule, as opposed to taking the car to a mechanic only when > the check-engine light comes on, or when it fails an emissions test. > > A former boss of mine was enraged to find that the Oregon DEQ's policy is > to > automatically fail any car whose CEL is lit (without even bothering with > the > sniffer test), so that she couldn't get her registration renewed until she > took her car to the shop. Her feeling about the CEL was that it was more > of > a suggestion than a warning---"the car runs fine as far as I can tell, so > who cares whether some light is on or not?" > > Alex > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
most people don't really maintain their cars these days... they wait for something to go wrong Either that, or they don't have the money or would rather spend it on other things because it does still drive down the road, you know. It boggles the mind to notice how many cars are out there with squeaking/screaming breaks, rattly axles, leaky exhaust, etc. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Maintain
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:50 PM, wrote: > > most people don't really maintain > > their cars these days... they wait for something to go wrong... > > > When you say "maintain", what exactly do you mean? > > > If I had to guess, I'd say he means adhering to the manufacturer's maintenance schedule, as opposed to taking the car to a mechanic only when the check-engine light comes on, or when it fails an emissions test. A former boss of mine was enraged to find that the Oregon DEQ's policy is to automatically fail any car whose CEL is lit (without even bothering with the sniffer test), so that she couldn't get her registration renewed until she took her car to the shop. Her feeling about the CEL was that it was more of a suggestion than a warning---"the car runs fine as far as I can tell, so who cares whether some light is on or not?" Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
But how much is gas? In my area regular is ~$3.10, diesel is $3.45, thats $0.35/gal or ~11%. Doesn't diesel have something like 30% more BTUs per volume? -Curt Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:34:44 -0500 From: "WILTON" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel Message-ID: <0F84840C4F0A4876AD8E5B5F24B44D51@wiltonPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Yes, they're the reasons I've been driving Diesels for 32 years; 'just wondering if I should "step back" and "review the situation," after I just paid $3.35 for "ten-cent" fuel coupla days ago Wilton - Original Message - From: "ernest breakfield" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel >- lower fuel consumption > - lower maintenance costs > - better reliability > - engines live longer (with proper care) > - better resale value (even with high mileage) > - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel > - because you love the klatta',... > > that last one will do it for lots of guys; you might not need any > more. ;-) > > > cheers! > e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Maintain
> ...I have less faith that the modern CDIs, with all their technology, > will have the lifespan of the older MB diesels. Not that I don't think the > newer engines are well designed, I just suspect they are less tolerant of > maintenance neglect than the older ones, and most people don't really > maintain > their cars these days... they wait for something to go wrong... > When you say "maintain", what exactly do you mean? RLE > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
Ernest wrote re: the advantages of diesel: - lower fuel consumption - lower maintenance costs - better reliability - engines live longer (with proper care) - better resale value (even with high mileage) - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel - because you love the klatta',... For me, the reason I loved the diesels I had were fuel efficiency (the 124 turbo diesel gets great mileage) and the resale value. A gas model with 200,000 miles isn't worth much, but a diesel is worth significantly more. I do love my 124 gasser. 1995 was the best year in my opinion. It's a great driving car. The only thing is its getting a little small for me. I had three passengers a few weeks ago and it was pretty crowded. I still see my BMW 740iL around town. I miss that car. It had LOADS of room. I do wish I had my 124 diesel back. Or, if I could find a really 126 diesel. One of these days, I might have to get a CDI. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning
I found a reliable test is to measure the current draw on each one... when you have an under performer its quite easy to see. Measuring resistance isn't reliable. I've never tired to test them outside of the car... I don't see how you can really test them effectively without some metrics. You can measure current draw by connecting an ammeter between the fuse on the GP relay and each pin in the GP harness that attaches to the relay, one at a time. Also, I whenever I replace glow plugs, I replace all of them. I've played the one-at-a-time a few years ago with an old 300SD. When one dies, the others are not far behind. Jaime On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rolf wrote: > The only proper test is to pull the plugs, hook them up to power and verify > they are getting hot. The simple ohm test is only as good as the light on > the dashboard. > > -Rolf > > > On 01/25/2011 10:26 AM, Tony Wirtel wrote: > >> Changing out the glow plugs on my old '85 300TD did wonders for cold >> starting. Had almost always run M1 and kept on top of valve adjustments. >> Before replacement I had to glow twice and crank like Jaime's video; after >> replacement the car started within one or two revolutions. Kicked myself >> for not doing it earlier, but the plugs had always tested "fine" with >> digital meter I *thought* I could accurately measure down to the range >> needed for glow plugs. >> >> Tony Wirtel >> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning >> >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> yea probably. So what is the consensus? No pedal, half pedal? I >>> usually dont give it any pedal till its firing on almost all >>> cylinders then I start giving it pedal to rev it up. >>> >>> >>> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
35 highway and low of 27 overall. No drag racing either (well, maybe once or twice!) but was a pleasure to have all that torque available if/when needed. No smoke on start up and just purred like a kitten when warmed up. Only issue in 4 years ownership was some new glow plugs and the tensioner system went amok. 05 was the last of the I6 engines. John On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:08 PM, WILTON wrote: > 'Don't plan to do any draggin', but how 'bout mileage/efficiency? > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "John Freer" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:56 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel > > > Need to add one more factor: > > Performance is equal to or better, at least in the E class. > My 05 CDI was quicker to 60 than the 350 V6. > John > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:42 AM, OK Don wrote: >> >> Yes - I think you listed the reasons in increasing order of significance - >> last one is most important! >> I do have doubts that a Diesel engine will last longer than an MB gasser - >> but there will be more maintenance on teh gassers. >> I wish my ML was a CDI - will have to keep my eyes open. >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:27 AM, ernest breakfield < >> erne...@backyardengineering.org> wrote: >> >>> - lower fuel consumption >>> - lower maintenance costs >>> - better reliability >>> - engines live longer (with proper care) >>> - better resale value (even with high mileage) >>> - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel >>> - because you love the klatta',... >>> >>> that last one will do it for lots of guys; you might not need any more. >>> ;-) >>> >>> >>> cheers! >>> e >>> -- >>> >> OK Don >> 2001 ML320 >> 1992 300D 2.5T >> 1990 300D 2.5T >> 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
'Don't plan to do any draggin', but how 'bout mileage/efficiency? Wilton - Original Message - From: "John Freer" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel Need to add one more factor: Performance is equal to or better, at least in the E class. My 05 CDI was quicker to 60 than the 350 V6. John On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:42 AM, OK Don wrote: Yes - I think you listed the reasons in increasing order of significance - last one is most important! I do have doubts that a Diesel engine will last longer than an MB gasser - but there will be more maintenance on teh gassers. I wish my ML was a CDI - will have to keep my eyes open. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:27 AM, ernest breakfield < erne...@backyardengineering.org> wrote: - lower fuel consumption - lower maintenance costs - better reliability - engines live longer (with proper care) - better resale value (even with high mileage) - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel - because you love the klatta',... that last one will do it for lots of guys; you might not need any more. ;-) cheers! e -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
I have less faith that the modern CDIs, with all their technology, will have the lifespan of the older MB diesels. Not that I don't think the newer engines are well designed, I just suspect they are less tolerant of maintenance neglect than the older ones, and most people don't really maintain their cars these days... they wait for something to go wrong. On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:42 -0600, "OK Don" wrote: > Yes - I think you listed the reasons in increasing order of significance > - > last one is most important! > I do have doubts that a Diesel engine will last longer than an MB gasser > - > but there will be more maintenance on teh gassers. > I wish my ML was a CDI - will have to keep my eyes open. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
Need to add one more factor: Performance is equal to or better, at least in the E class. My 05 CDI was quicker to 60 than the 350 V6. John On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:42 AM, OK Don wrote: > Yes - I think you listed the reasons in increasing order of significance - > last one is most important! > I do have doubts that a Diesel engine will last longer than an MB gasser - > but there will be more maintenance on teh gassers. > I wish my ML was a CDI - will have to keep my eyes open. > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:27 AM, ernest breakfield < > erne...@backyardengineering.org> wrote: > >> - lower fuel consumption >> - lower maintenance costs >> - better reliability >> - engines live longer (with proper care) >> - better resale value (even with high mileage) >> - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel >> - because you love the klatta',... >> >> that last one will do it for lots of guys; you might not need any more. >> ;-) >> >> >> cheers! >> e >> -- >> > OK Don > 2001 ML320 > 1992 300D 2.5T > 1990 300D 2.5T > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
Yes - I think you listed the reasons in increasing order of significance - last one is most important! I do have doubts that a Diesel engine will last longer than an MB gasser - but there will be more maintenance on teh gassers. I wish my ML was a CDI - will have to keep my eyes open. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:27 AM, ernest breakfield < erne...@backyardengineering.org> wrote: > - lower fuel consumption > - lower maintenance costs > - better reliability > - engines live longer (with proper care) > - better resale value (even with high mileage) > - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel > - because you love the klatta',... > >that last one will do it for lots of guys; you might not need any more. >;-) > > > cheers! > e > -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Winter driving, was: Check Engine Light Update
We had a day of ice with a dusting of snow on top last week - first chance I've had to play with the traction control in the ML. It did great. I stomped the accelerator on a clear stretch of iced street - the yellow triangle with a flashing exclamation point popped up in the center of the speedo - the car accelerated, and stayed perfectly straight. I usually do this to play with the rear end swinging out - no joy - just straight ahead. SInce ther is a stop sign at the end of the street, I slammed on the brakes - the ABS did it's pulsing thing, and the car stopped - still going straight ahead. I was impressed. (But it's not that hard to impress me). I do realize that the 4WD and traction control will let me drive way too fast for the conditions - I don't plan to do that - must be careful not to get over confident On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > Thanks for the info last time on my 95 E320. It set a misfire code. But, > the light has not come back on in two weeks. > > By the way, I cannot explain this, but this 124 drives VASTLY better than > any other Mercedes I have driven in the snow/ice. I don't know if its just > better tires or what. But, I used to have to put snow tires on my 90 124 > diesel and the 90 126. But, this car did great! > > Donald H. Snook > 1995 E320 101K > > > -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
'Preciate the offer. ;<) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel You also need to consider that you have a 20 yo car that is way down on its depreciation slide (though still in great shape I am sure), insurance is cheaper, maintenance is cheaper (DIY), it will last many more years, is safe, and makes you fel good! Spending good money for a small bump in fuel mileage on a newer vehicle is not a very proper economic decision, and will result in other higher costs too (not to mention the regrets when you sell the other car). But if you persist in your thoughts, I'll come get the car and solve (half) your problem. --R On 1/25/2011 11:34 AM, WILTON wrote: Yes, they're the reasons I've been driving Diesels for 32 years; 'just wondering if I should "step back" and "review the situation," after I just paid $3.35 for "ten-cent" fuel coupla days ago Wilton - Original Message - From: "ernest breakfield" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel - lower fuel consumption - lower maintenance costs - better reliability - engines live longer (with proper care) - better resale value (even with high mileage) - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel - because you love the klatta',... that last one will do it for lots of guys; you might not need any more.;-) cheers! e On 25/Jan/11 07:51, WILTON wrote: I've had MB Diesels continuously for 32 years; 'thought I'd continue to do so; 'also had coupla Caravans few years ago. 'Thought I'd keep my eyes open for a reasonable '05 320 CDI to replace the 91 350 SDL; the (only) three or so I've seen advertised last coupla months seem to cost significantly more than gas-driven 320 of same year. Diesel fuel now costs significantly more than gas. Remind me why I should continue to drive a Diesel. What years were model 210's built? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning
Oh and although I haven't tried it in the serious cold my '78 240D starts well down around 20F now that I did the parallel glowplug wiring conversion from the previous "serial with too small wires" setup. Its got M1 5w40 already. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning
My '83 240D used to start well down to about 10F and reasonably down to 0F and with a fight down to -10F. After that it was not a sure thing at all. That was with M1 (5w40 or 0w40) a good battery, recent glow plugs and correctly set valves. With 15w40 my 190D started with a minor fight at 0F on Sunday. This Saturday its due for its first oil change under my watch and we'll go to 5w40. It started fine yesterday at -13F but it had been plugged in and warming for an hour and a half. The timer kicks in at 6am... -Curt Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:19:06 -0500 From: "Allan Streib" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning Message-ID: <1295972346.30745.1417150...@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:26 -0500, "Tony Wirtel" wrote: > Changing out the glow plugs on my old '85 300TD did wonders for cold > starting. Had almost always run M1 and kept on top of valve > adjustments. I have experience that even one bad glow plug can noticeably impact cold weather starting; two or more bad out of five and it will have a significant impact. Marshall used to say that even one slightly tight valve could make a difference between starting and not. I've found that with good glow plugs, M1 oil, and proper valve clearances, and a double glow cycle, my OM617 will start without the block heater down to around 10 degrees (F). I've never really pushed it much lower than that; if it's that cold I will plug it in when I first get up and by the time I'm ready to leave it's got enough heat to make starting easier. Or you can use a heavy duty timer and set it to come on a couple of hours before you need the car. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Check Engine Light Update
Don - My E320 wagon handles better in snow than almost any car I have driven with the possible exception of a volvo 240 sedan. We have had a couple of snow events here in southern Illinois and that things just goes. I love it. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > Thanks for the info last time on my 95 E320. It set a misfire code. But, > the light has not come back on in two weeks. > > By the way, I cannot explain this, but this 124 drives VASTLY better than > any other Mercedes I have driven in the snow/ice. I don't know if its just > better tires or what. But, I used to have to put snow tires on my 90 124 > diesel and the 90 126. But, this car did great! > > Donald H. Snook > 1995 E320 101K > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
You also need to consider that you have a 20 yo car that is way down on its depreciation slide (though still in great shape I am sure), insurance is cheaper, maintenance is cheaper (DIY), it will last many more years, is safe, and makes you fel good! Spending good money for a small bump in fuel mileage on a newer vehicle is not a very proper economic decision, and will result in other higher costs too (not to mention the regrets when you sell the other car). But if you persist in your thoughts, I'll come get the car and solve (half) your problem. --R On 1/25/2011 11:34 AM, WILTON wrote: Yes, they're the reasons I've been driving Diesels for 32 years; 'just wondering if I should "step back" and "review the situation," after I just paid $3.35 for "ten-cent" fuel coupla days ago Wilton - Original Message - From: "ernest breakfield" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel - lower fuel consumption - lower maintenance costs - better reliability - engines live longer (with proper care) - better resale value (even with high mileage) - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel - because you love the klatta',... that last one will do it for lots of guys; you might not need any more.;-) cheers! e On 25/Jan/11 07:51, WILTON wrote: I've had MB Diesels continuously for 32 years; 'thought I'd continue to do so; 'also had coupla Caravans few years ago. 'Thought I'd keep my eyes open for a reasonable '05 320 CDI to replace the 91 350 SDL; the (only) three or so I've seen advertised last coupla months seem to cost significantly more than gas-driven 320 of same year. Diesel fuel now costs significantly more than gas. Remind me why I should continue to drive a Diesel. What years were model 210's built? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
Yes, they're the reasons I've been driving Diesels for 32 years; 'just wondering if I should "step back" and "review the situation," after I just paid $3.35 for "ten-cent" fuel coupla days ago Wilton - Original Message - From: "ernest breakfield" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel - lower fuel consumption - lower maintenance costs - better reliability - engines live longer (with proper care) - better resale value (even with high mileage) - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel - because you love the klatta',... that last one will do it for lots of guys; you might not need any more.;-) cheers! e On 25/Jan/11 07:51, WILTON wrote: I've had MB Diesels continuously for 32 years; 'thought I'd continue to do so; 'also had coupla Caravans few years ago. 'Thought I'd keep my eyes open for a reasonable '05 320 CDI to replace the 91 350 SDL; the (only) three or so I've seen advertised last coupla months seem to cost significantly more than gas-driven 320 of same year. Diesel fuel now costs significantly more than gas. Remind me why I should continue to drive a Diesel. What years were model 210's built? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
- lower fuel consumption - lower maintenance costs - better reliability - engines live longer (with proper care) - better resale value (even with high mileage) - the possible option of using non-petroleum-based fuel - because you love the klatta',... that last one will do it for lots of guys; you might not need any more.;-) cheers! e On 25/Jan/11 07:51, WILTON wrote: I've had MB Diesels continuously for 32 years; 'thought I'd continue to do so; 'also had coupla Caravans few years ago. 'Thought I'd keep my eyes open for a reasonable '05 320 CDI to replace the 91 350 SDL; the (only) three or so I've seen advertised last coupla months seem to cost significantly more than gas-driven 320 of same year. Diesel fuel now costs significantly more than gas. Remind me why I should continue to drive a Diesel. What years were model 210's built? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Check Engine Light Update
Thanks for the info last time on my 95 E320. It set a misfire code. But, the light has not come back on in two weeks. By the way, I cannot explain this, but this 124 drives VASTLY better than any other Mercedes I have driven in the snow/ice. I don't know if its just better tires or what. But, I used to have to put snow tires on my 90 124 diesel and the 90 126. But, this car did great! Donald H. Snook 1995 E320 101K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:26 -0500, "Tony Wirtel" wrote: > Changing out the glow plugs on my old '85 300TD did wonders for cold > starting. Had almost always run M1 and kept on top of valve > adjustments. I have experience that even one bad glow plug can noticeably impact cold weather starting; two or more bad out of five and it will have a significant impact. Marshall used to say that even one slightly tight valve could make a difference between starting and not. I've found that with good glow plugs, M1 oil, and proper valve clearances, and a double glow cycle, my OM617 will start without the block heater down to around 10 degrees (F). I've never really pushed it much lower than that; if it's that cold I will plug it in when I first get up and by the time I'm ready to leave it's got enough heat to make starting easier. Or you can use a heavy duty timer and set it to come on a couple of hours before you need the car. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning
The only proper test is to pull the plugs, hook them up to power and verify they are getting hot. The simple ohm test is only as good as the light on the dashboard. -Rolf On 01/25/2011 10:26 AM, Tony Wirtel wrote: Changing out the glow plugs on my old '85 300TD did wonders for cold starting. Had almost always run M1 and kept on top of valve adjustments. Before replacement I had to glow twice and crank like Jaime's video; after replacement the car started within one or two revolutions. Kicked myself for not doing it earlier, but the plugs had always tested "fine" with digital meter I *thought* I could accurately measure down to the range needed for glow plugs. Tony Wirtel Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed yea probably. So what is the consensus? No pedal, half pedal? I usually dont give it any pedal till its firing on almost all cylinders then I start giving it pedal to rev it up. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning
I highly recommend the purple wire modification. It does wonders for cold weather starting. It causes the GP to stay on to the end of the timer no matter what. -Rolf On 01/25/2011 10:01 AM, Allan Streib wrote: On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:43 -0500, "Ed Booher" wrote: I thought when the glow light goes out the plugs are done. I now assume I am wrong? My understanding is that the glow plug relay adjusts the dash lamp illumination time based on ambient temperature (or maybe coolant temperature?). The colder it is, the longer the lamp stays on and the more time the plugs have to heat the prechambers. The idea is that when the lamp goes out, the plugs are hot and the car should be ready to start. The plugs aren't actually de-energized at that point, they stay on until the starter is released or the cycle timer expires. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas or Diesel
For MBs, you really need to compare the cost of Diesel fuel to premium unleaded. It's a bit closer then. For me, the better mileage of the diesel vs. the gassers of the same vintage offsets some of it. And, I don't drive enough for the remaining difference to really amount to anything significant in my overall budget. Allan On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:51 -0500, "WILTON" wrote: > I've had MB Diesels continuously for 32 years; 'thought I'd continue to > do so; 'also had coupla Caravans few years ago. > 'Thought I'd keep my eyes open for a reasonable '05 320 CDI to replace > the 91 350 SDL; the (only) three or so I've seen advertised last coupla > months seem to cost significantly more than gas-driven 320 of same year. > Diesel fuel now costs significantly more than gas. Remind me why I > should continue to drive a Diesel. > What years were model 210's built? > > Wilton > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning
Thats what I was getting to. :D On 01/24/2011 01:27 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rolf wrote: Just because the pressure guage is pegged does not mean that there is equal lubrication everywhere. Yah, but I assumed there was some everywhere in that amount of time. OTOH, if it pegs at cranking speed, it might be too thick to flow decently. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Gas or Diesel
I've had MB Diesels continuously for 32 years; 'thought I'd continue to do so; 'also had coupla Caravans few years ago. 'Thought I'd keep my eyes open for a reasonable '05 320 CDI to replace the 91 350 SDL; the (only) three or so I've seen advertised last coupla months seem to cost significantly more than gas-driven 320 of same year. Diesel fuel now costs significantly more than gas. Remind me why I should continue to drive a Diesel. What years were model 210's built? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td engine
maybe; depends on if he's concerned with which version of the '85 he needs. (California, or 'Federal'.) cheers! e On 24/Jan/11 20:31, Rich Thomas wrote: That is what Andrew wanted I believe, but one kilobuck is a mite pricey, no? --R On 1/24/2011 10:34 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: it that's what it is not mine, etc http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/pts/2149208652.html Mercedes 300 TD Engine only - $1000 (Ripley,WV) Date: 2011-01-07, 6:45PM EST Reply to: sale-eeb9m-2149208...@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?] I have a 1985 300TD Engine. It is in great shape , you can hear it run. Location: Ripley,WV thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning
Changing out the glow plugs on my old '85 300TD did wonders for cold starting. Had almost always run M1 and kept on top of valve adjustments. Before replacement I had to glow twice and crank like Jaime's video; after replacement the car started within one or two revolutions. Kicked myself for not doing it earlier, but the plugs had always tested "fine" with digital meter I *thought* I could accurately measure down to the range needed for glow plugs. Tony Wirtel Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > yea probably. So what is the consensus? No pedal, half pedal? I > usually dont give it any pedal till its firing on almost all > cylinders then I start giving it pedal to rev it up. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:43 -0500, "Ed Booher" wrote: > I thought when the glow light goes out the plugs are done. I now > assume I am wrong? My understanding is that the glow plug relay adjusts the dash lamp illumination time based on ambient temperature (or maybe coolant temperature?). The colder it is, the longer the lamp stays on and the more time the plugs have to heat the prechambers. The idea is that when the lamp goes out, the plugs are hot and the car should be ready to start. The plugs aren't actually de-energized at that point, they stay on until the starter is released or the cycle timer expires. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:18 -0600, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: > I am not sure why, but as I said, when I have been in that > situation if I push the pedal down it seems to slow the cranking > down. I would like to know why. The pedal-to-the-floor technique has never worked for me for cold starting. For my OM617, best I have found is to depress the pedal, then release, then hold it slightly down (i.e. a bit more than idle but not a lot) and crank the starter. Once it begins firing you can gradually depress the pedal further if needed but back off if it seems to be flooding. P.S. I don't really think diesels can "flood" in the same way gasoline engines do, but too much fuel in a cold engine definitely doesn't work well for me. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Merc Art Cars
Touche. On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Maybe. > Or maybe that's their impression of Californians. > Mitch. > > > andrew strasfogel wrote: > >> That's because the Europeans are WAY more evolved than we Yanks... >> >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: >> >> Rich Thomas wrote: >>> >>> http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/01/for-mercedes-benz-art-cars-imitate-a-fantastic-life/ German surfer dudes wear skimpy red bras and arm length black lace >>> gloves?? >>> >>> Mitch. >>> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td engine
Yes (unless it's a 300 TD "turbodiesel" sedan, and yes. The economy is good for some negotiating, however. On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Rich Thomas < richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: > That is what Andrew wanted I believe, but one kilobuck is a mite pricey, > no? > > --R > > > On 1/24/2011 10:34 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: > >> it that's what it is >> >> not mine, etc >> >> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/pts/2149208652.html >> >> Mercedes 300 TD Engine only - $1000 (Ripley,WV) >> >> Date: 2011-01-07, 6:45PM EST >> Reply to: sale-eeb9m-2149208...@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to >> ads?] >> >> I have a 1985 300TD Engine. It is in great shape , you can hear it run. >> >> Location: Ripley,WV >> >> >> >> >> thanks, >> >> xx rick >> Rick Hawkins >> >> www.javaphoto.com >> www.javacycles.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning
Have you considered a new starter? My 80 300SD was having starting problems below 40F. I had my Indie check the glow plugs, etc. and found nothing. I ordered a rebuilt starter and had my Indie replace it. I started it last week at 16F and it fired immediately. Valves should only be a problem if they are "really tight". If you have glow heat, fuel, air, a good battery, and good/reasonable compression, then the only other item is that the engine isn't spinning fast enough. That was my case and maybe yours too. I think we sometimes forget that a diesel engine must spin fast to start. And we sometimes don't notice the starter getting "tired". I sure didn't, but it had. Might be worth a look. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold this morning
Pretty much... Glow plugs take longer to get up to full temp than it does for the light to go off. The light is only a suggestion of time and has no real connection to whats going on with the plugs. Tthe plugs are still powered until the relay goes clunk sometime later (I think you can hear this in my video). I forget how long it takes them to reach their hottest, but its something like 20-30 seconds. Then you start cranking, and the power to the plugs is off, so they start cooling... if the engine doesn't start, things go downhill as there is less heat from the plugs. But there is still some fuel burning as this point, just not well enough to run the engine. You'll note that smoke comes out of the exhaust. The heat from this burning slowly increases to the point that the engine will run. If your car won't start in the winter, its a good possibility you're not trying hard enough. Remeber, manual states "do no release key until engine is firing regularly" and they mean it. If your battery can't take it, you need a new one. You also need clean grounds and a good starter. Every little bit helps here. I usually keep the accelerator about half way down. Always worked for me. Jaime On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Craig wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:18:15 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin" > wrote: > > > I am not sure why, but as I said, when I have been in that > > situation if I push the pedal down it seems to slow the cranking > > down. I would like to know why. > > Sprays of nice, cold diesel cooling down the tip of the glow plug? > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 380SL speedo Was: 107 CDs online?
No. Nearly all multimeters will average the inputs, giving you a relatively constant reading. They can all act quite different as you start to push the envelope. One set on AC might give you some kind of variable reading, which might be enough to prove that something was there. Better would be one (like my Flukes) that could measure the frequency of the waveform, even it it was confused about the voltage. A true RMS meter would probably give you an accurate reading, but what is the reference? Then you have to know the waveform, and what its RMS voltage should be. A non-true-RMS meter usually measures the peak voltage, and applies a correction factor for sine waves; that could work too but... A 'scope is simpler! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 380SL speedo Was: 107 CDs online?
No. Nearly all multimeters will average the inputs, giving you a relatively constant reading. Dan Sent from my iPod On Jan 25, 2011, at 2:47 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: >> If you don't have an o'scope, will the pulses show up on a multimeter > > I have no idear. > > -- Jim > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
