Re: [MBZ] 300td engine ??? Snowfall

[Walt Zarnoch]

It only appears only 2.54X worse, not THAT hard to convert it! ;)

Walt, who thinks in metric, machines in imperial, and gets confused by
"digital" calipers that don't have a dial or proper vernier scale...

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:50 PM, andrew strasfogel
 wrote:
> Randy, you measure snow in centimeters so it always sounds worse than it
> really is.  ;)
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:46 PM, R A Bennell  wrote:
>
>> We must be close behind on this today. We got dumped on this morning.
>>
>> Of course, you can count on it melting sooner than we can.
>>
>> Randy in Winterpeg
>>
>> On 28/01/2011 3:21 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>>
>>> A truly amazing fact is that the official 5.2" snowfall total for
>>> Washington
>>> DC (measured at DCA) was so moisture-laden that it was equivalent to 1.5"
>>> of
>>> rain.  Normally, 1" of rain = 10" of snow.  This was a record for
>>> precipitation for January 26!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Walt Zarnoch
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  NYC area is mostly underground service iirc, very little above ground
 wiring.

 Walt
  On Jan 27, 2011 4:36 PM, "andrew strasfogel"
 wrote:

> Yesterday for once the forecasters were spot-on. Unfortunately so! The
> snow came barrelling in at 5 PM on the dot, following an hour of
> freezing
> rain and sleet. Although the temperatures were above freezing (33.8
> deg.)
> the wet snow fell with such impact that it immediately began to stick on
>
 all

> surfaces. Tree branches already glazed with ice broke under the heavy
> wet
> snow, causing our power to fail permanently at 7:30 PM. Worst of all was
> the timing: middle of a non-holiday week at precisely the start of the
>
 rush

> hour! Folks were stranded for 12 hours (*sic*) i ntheir cars on the
>
 George

> Washington Parkway. Bus service ended early, and some were stuck in
>
 traffic

> for seeral hours. Most roadds and highways in the DC Metro area were
> virtual parking lots through the evening rush and beyond. In all my 35
> years here I have never sen anything like it. 400K people w/o power and
> slow repairs anticipated.
>
> The 70 year old red maple in our back yard lost a huge limb, which
>
 crashed

> to earth a few inches from our back door (phew!). In my neighborhood (.5
> miles from Maryland) we received only 5", although further to the west
> totals were around a foot. I envy NYC in a way. 19" of snow fell in
>
 Central

> Park but it must have been the fluffier variety because not that many
>
 people

> lost power.
>
> Andrew
> 1985 300TD under a blanket of ice and snow
> 1983 300TD cozy and snow free in the garage
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com>
>
 wrote:

> I didn't think they even bothered with real money. They just say the
>>
> magic

> words and more money is available to spend.
>>
>>
>>
>> And the best part is, DC residents get to visit the Mint if they are
>>
> short

> of cash..
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com>
>>>
>> wrote:

> Ja,but... Andrew lives in DC, the land of flowing taxpayer money. That
>>>
>> is

> just a few lattes out there.



 That is what Andrew wanted I believe, but one kilobuck is a mite

>>> pricey,

> no?
>
> --R
>
> On 1/24/2011 10:34 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
>
> it that's what it is
>
>> not mine, etc
>>
>> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/pts/2149208652.html
>>
>> Mercedes 300 TD Engine only - $1000 (Ripley,WV)
>>
>> Date: 2011-01-07, 6:45PM EST
>> Reply to: sale-eeb9m-2149208...@craigslist.org [Errors when
>>
> replying

> to
>> ads?]
>>
>> I have a 1985 300TD Engine. It is in great shape , you can hear it
>> run.
>>
>> Location: Ripley,WV
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> xx rick
>> Rick Hawkins
>>
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>> www.javacycles.com
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Re: [MBZ] 300td engine ??? Snowfall

[andrew strasfogel]

Randy, you measure snow in centimeters so it always sounds worse than it
really is.  ;)

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:46 PM, R A Bennell  wrote:

> We must be close behind on this today. We got dumped on this morning.
>
> Of course, you can count on it melting sooner than we can.
>
> Randy in Winterpeg
>
> On 28/01/2011 3:21 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> A truly amazing fact is that the official 5.2" snowfall total for
>> Washington
>> DC (measured at DCA) was so moisture-laden that it was equivalent to 1.5"
>> of
>> rain.  Normally, 1" of rain = 10" of snow.  This was a record for
>> precipitation for January 26!
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Walt Zarnoch
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  NYC area is mostly underground service iirc, very little above ground
>>> wiring.
>>>
>>> Walt
>>>  On Jan 27, 2011 4:36 PM, "andrew strasfogel"
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yesterday for once the forecasters were spot-on. Unfortunately so! The
 snow came barrelling in at 5 PM on the dot, following an hour of
 freezing
 rain and sleet. Although the temperatures were above freezing (33.8
 deg.)
 the wet snow fell with such impact that it immediately began to stick on

>>> all
>>>
 surfaces. Tree branches already glazed with ice broke under the heavy
 wet
 snow, causing our power to fail permanently at 7:30 PM. Worst of all was
 the timing: middle of a non-holiday week at precisely the start of the

>>> rush
>>>
 hour! Folks were stranded for 12 hours (*sic*) i ntheir cars on the

>>> George
>>>
 Washington Parkway. Bus service ended early, and some were stuck in

>>> traffic
>>>
 for seeral hours. Most roadds and highways in the DC Metro area were
 virtual parking lots through the evening rush and beyond. In all my 35
 years here I have never sen anything like it. 400K people w/o power and
 slow repairs anticipated.

 The 70 year old red maple in our back yard lost a huge limb, which

>>> crashed
>>>
 to earth a few inches from our back door (phew!). In my neighborhood (.5
 miles from Maryland) we received only 5", although further to the west
 totals were around a foot. I envy NYC in a way. 19" of snow fell in

>>> Central
>>>
 Park but it must have been the fluffier variety because not that many

>>> people
>>>
 lost power.

 Andrew
 1985 300TD under a blanket of ice and snow
 1983 300TD cozy and snow free in the garage

 On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com>

>>> wrote:
>>>
 I didn't think they even bothered with real money. They just say the
>
 magic
>>>
 words and more money is available to spend.
>
>
>
> And the best part is, DC residents get to visit the Mint if they are
>
 short
>>>
 of cash..
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com>
>>
> wrote:
>>>
 Ja,but... Andrew lives in DC, the land of flowing taxpayer money. That
>>
> is
>>>
 just a few lattes out there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is what Andrew wanted I believe, but one kilobuck is a mite
>>>
>> pricey,
>>>
 no?

 --R

 On 1/24/2011 10:34 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:

 it that's what it is

> not mine, etc
>
> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/pts/2149208652.html
>
> Mercedes 300 TD Engine only - $1000 (Ripley,WV)
>
> Date: 2011-01-07, 6:45PM EST
> Reply to: sale-eeb9m-2149208...@craigslist.org [Errors when
>
 replying
>>>
 to
> ads?]
>
> I have a 1985 300TD Engine. It is in great shape , you can hear it
> run.
>
> Location: Ripley,WV
>
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
>
> www.javaphoto.com
> www.javacycles.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries

[Walt Zarnoch]

I guess what I was trying to say is, all that power held by one
arm/safe switch, and it did it's job. All the other complexities were
neatly sidestepped, it got all the way down to the final step, and
(fizz), nothing.

That, in my mind, is pretty amazing.

I don't fear the bomb, mainly because there's nothing I could ever do
in the event of one going off.
Why spend my life worrying about that which I cannot control, when I
can make engines fit in vehicles they never were meant to? :)

Walt, who has a Geiger counter, but not a tin foil hat. ;)

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:21 PM, WILTON  wrote:
> Agreed.
> # 1 was completely intact; standing upright and supported by chute in tree;
> 'backed a truck up to it; 'lowered it onto truck and hauled it away.  Gas
> reservoir of # 2 was found intact with the gas inside; pit never found; no
> HE explosion.
>
> I never worried about 'em either, nor feared 'em.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "John Reames" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries
>
>
>> I'm guessing that the pits were intact, likely due to (relatively)
>> insensitive HE, otherwise there would have been a big mess (sans mushroom),
>> and there wouldn't be a secondary in the hole (it would be all over the
>> countryside)
>>
>> Now, I would be worried if I heard of one that never left the ground and
>> was in the all-but-one state.  Likewise for any form of "care" package; they
>> are likely designed to be difficult to impossible to set off
>> (uber-fail-safe) when not armed, even if all deployment checks are met, but
>> once armed aboard the means of deployment, strategically, they should
>> fail-deadly...
>>
>> I'd bet that it is nigh-on-impossible to improperly make one go off, even
>> with the procedures, and it would require a complete factory teardown to
>> change things.
>>
>> It also sounds like the procedures to un-safe them have technical means of
>> enforcing multi-person responsibility in a way that would make even the best
>> financial controller's cash handling procedures look like petty theater...
>>
>> And THAT is why we are safe (and I don't worry about it (or fear them...))
>>
>> --
>> John W Reames
>> jwrea...@comcast.net
>> Home: +14106646986
>> Mobile: +14437915905
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 20:25, "WILTON"  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I  know; I've been trying to tell 'em (locals) about that sort of
>>> thing for years, but there's still a large "contingent" (including local
>>> newspaper reporters) who seem to enjoy sensationalism and like to sell
>>> newspapers, etc., by printing the story again about every 5 or so years with
>>> the same misinformation.
>>>
>>> About a month ago I received a copy of the Feb '61 Sandia Corp. (the
>>> nation's nuke weapons experts) report that fairly well confirms what I've
>>> been saying about the accident for many years - that there was very little
>>> to no danger of nuke det.
>>>
>>> BTW, early part of aircraft breakup pulled safety pins that normally
>>> would prevent release and extraction of pullout pins that would generate a
>>> pulse (much like Wiley Coyote's plunger that generates pulse to detonate
>>> dynamite near the Road Runner) to initiate fusing sequence. Very unusual
>>> centrifugal forces tore the 9k-pound weapons from their shackles, pullout
>>> switches were extracted, pulse was generated and normal fusing and firing
>>> sequence started.  In bomb number 1, all of the switches, including ARM/SAFE
>>> switch (and altitude, airspeed, chute, etc.), worked normally and in proper
>>> sequence, but, again, yes, the "safety" was ON - ARM/SAFE switch was SAFE.
>>> All of those properly activated switches meant nothing - safety was "ON."
>>> Bomb number 2 fell without chute and destroyed itself upon impact with
>>> ground before fusing sequence was complete.  'Course it also was "SAFE" -
>>> not armed.
>>>
>>> There was extremely little danger of nuke det from either one of 'em. I'm
>>> hesitating to say, "NO DANGER," because nothing is absolutely 100% perfect,
>>> including nuke weapons; I'm sure the guys at Sandia are still trying to
>>> attain perfection, but how can one ever know that absolutely every
>>> contingency has been covered?
>>>
>>> Wilton
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "John Reames" 
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries
>>>
>>>
 Before fussing 'bout it google "strong link" "weak link" and "permissive
 action link"...

 All that happened was that things were enough to pass the "security"
 checks that the thing's "brain" goes through so that it will only go off
 after all conditions are satisfied; I would imagine it would be at least 
 4-5
 things, such as wanting to see the pin actually pulled from the rail, then
 having a certain amount of freefall, then likely a sharp deceleration du

Re: [MBZ] fleece-ish

[Craig]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 22:35:36 EST relng...@aol.com wrote:

> > ...No sheep are inconvenienced.  It may look like fleece
> > to some, but to my eye it looks more like cotton waste.
> > (AKA bum wadding.)..
> > 
> It's some sort of polyester, perhaps shredded white leisure suits.

So there is a use for all of them afterall!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] fleece-ish

[Walt Zarnoch]

Poor Larry, whatever shall he wear...

Oddly that game is less graphic than modern ones for kids...

Walt

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:35 PM,   wrote:
>> ...No sheep are inconvenienced.  It may look like fleece
>> to some, but to my eye it looks more like cotton waste.
>> (AKA bum wadding.)..
>>
> It's some sort of polyester, perhaps shredded white leisure suits.
>
> RLE
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Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries

[John Reames]

You'd think a Pu softball would emit enough zoomies to be found.

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On Jan 28, 2011, at 22:21, "WILTON"  wrote:

> Agreed.
> # 1 was completely intact; standing upright and supported by chute in tree; 
> 'backed a truck up to it; 'lowered it onto truck and hauled it away.  Gas 
> reservoir of # 2 was found intact with the gas inside; pit never found; no HE 
> explosion.
> 
> I never worried about 'em either, nor feared 'em.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "John Reames" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries
> 
> 
>> I'm guessing that the pits were intact, likely due to (relatively) 
>> insensitive HE, otherwise there would have been a big mess (sans mushroom), 
>> and there wouldn't be a secondary in the hole (it would be all over the 
>> countryside)
>> 
>> Now, I would be worried if I heard of one that never left the ground and was 
>> in the all-but-one state.  Likewise for any form of "care" package; they are 
>> likely designed to be difficult to impossible to set off (uber-fail-safe) 
>> when not armed, even if all deployment checks are met, but once armed aboard 
>> the means of deployment, strategically, they should fail-deadly...
>> 
>> I'd bet that it is nigh-on-impossible to improperly make one go off, even 
>> with the procedures, and it would require a complete factory teardown to 
>> change things.
>> 
>> It also sounds like the procedures to un-safe them have technical means of 
>> enforcing multi-person responsibility in a way that would make even the best 
>> financial controller's cash handling procedures look like petty theater...
>> 
>> And THAT is why we are safe (and I don't worry about it (or fear them...))

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Re: [MBZ] fleece-ish

[RELNGSON]

> ...No sheep are inconvenienced.  It may look like fleece
> to some, but to my eye it looks more like cotton waste.
> (AKA bum wadding.)..
> 
It's some sort of polyester, perhaps shredded white leisure suits.

RLE
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[MBZ] Ditching in the Gulf of Mexico

[RELNGSON]

http://www.avweb.com/podcast/files/2011-01-28_KellyMcHugh-DitchingGulfOfMexico.mp3

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries

[WILTON]

Agreed.
# 1 was completely intact; standing upright and supported by chute in tree; 
'backed a truck up to it; 'lowered it onto truck and hauled it away.  Gas 
reservoir of # 2 was found intact with the gas inside; pit never found; no 
HE explosion.


I never worried about 'em either, nor feared 'em.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "John Reames" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries


I'm guessing that the pits were intact, likely due to (relatively) 
insensitive HE, otherwise there would have been a big mess (sans 
mushroom), and there wouldn't be a secondary in the hole (it would be all 
over the countryside)


Now, I would be worried if I heard of one that never left the ground and 
was in the all-but-one state.  Likewise for any form of "care" package; 
they are likely designed to be difficult to impossible to set off 
(uber-fail-safe) when not armed, even if all deployment checks are met, 
but once armed aboard the means of deployment, strategically, they should 
fail-deadly...


I'd bet that it is nigh-on-impossible to improperly make one go off, even 
with the procedures, and it would require a complete factory teardown to 
change things.


It also sounds like the procedures to un-safe them have technical means of 
enforcing multi-person responsibility in a way that would make even the 
best financial controller's cash handling procedures look like petty 
theater...


And THAT is why we are safe (and I don't worry about it (or fear them...))

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Home: +14106646986
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On Jan 28, 2011, at 20:25, "WILTON"  wrote:

Yes, I  know; I've been trying to tell 'em (locals) about that sort of 
thing for years, but there's still a large "contingent" (including local 
newspaper reporters) who seem to enjoy sensationalism and like to sell 
newspapers, etc., by printing the story again about every 5 or so years 
with the same misinformation.


About a month ago I received a copy of the Feb '61 Sandia Corp. (the 
nation's nuke weapons experts) report that fairly well confirms what I've 
been saying about the accident for many years - that there was very 
little to no danger of nuke det.


BTW, early part of aircraft breakup pulled safety pins that normally 
would prevent release and extraction of pullout pins that would generate 
a pulse (much like Wiley Coyote's plunger that generates pulse to 
detonate dynamite near the Road Runner) to initiate fusing sequence. 
Very unusual centrifugal forces tore the 9k-pound weapons from their 
shackles, pullout switches were extracted, pulse was generated and normal 
fusing and firing sequence started.  In bomb number 1, all of the 
switches, including ARM/SAFE switch (and altitude, airspeed, chute, 
etc.), worked normally and in proper sequence, but, again, yes, the 
"safety" was ON - ARM/SAFE switch was SAFE. All of those properly 
activated switches meant nothing - safety was "ON." Bomb number 2 fell 
without chute and destroyed itself upon impact with ground before fusing 
sequence was complete.  'Course it also was "SAFE" - not armed.


There was extremely little danger of nuke det from either one of 'em. 
I'm hesitating to say, "NO DANGER," because nothing is absolutely 100% 
perfect, including nuke weapons; I'm sure the guys at Sandia are still 
trying to attain perfection, but how can one ever know that absolutely 
every contingency has been covered?


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "John Reames" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries


Before fussing 'bout it google "strong link" "weak link" and "permissive 
action link"...


All that happened was that things were enough to pass the "security" 
checks that the thing's "brain" goes through so that it will only go off 
after all conditions are satisfied; I would imagine it would be at least 
4-5 things, such as wanting to see the pin actually pulled from the 
rail, then having a certain amount of freefall, then likely a sharp 
deceleration due to the retardation mechanism (chute?) deploying, etc.


But that's all conjecture...

It's like saying that a dropped gun almost went off because the safety 
disengaged and the trigger moved and the hammer moved, but glossing over 
the thing not having a firing pin!



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On Jan 27, 2011, at 16:06, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:


To think that only 1 small switch was all that kept all the hellfire
inside that day...

Quite a sobering thought on the fragility of a complex system as well.

Walt

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 3:57 PM, WILTON  wrote:
Structural damage to right wing during air refueling; coupla hours 
later,
aircraft went into uncontrollable spin as flaps were lowered at 
beginning of
final approach.  (Flaps on right may not have gone down properly 
because of
p

Re: [MBZ] fleece humor, of a sort

[Jim Cathey]

No sheep are inconvenienced.  It may look like fleece
to some, but to my eye it looks more like cotton waste.
(AKA bum wadding.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes and blind North Americans

[OK Don]

Yes - about 20k before, and 80k after the conversion.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> OK Don wrote:
>
>> AMEN - said the guy who put 100,000 miles on an MGA.
>>
>
> Was that the MB/Buick A ?
>
> Mitch.
> --
>
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2001 ML320
1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] fleece humor, of a sort

[OK Don]

It's a much smaller cartridge - I don't know how it might fit in the
canister of a 60x. I could look as soon as I get another new one. (Who will
remend me about this time next year?)

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Kevin Kraly  wrote:

> I wonder if the fleecy type filtering medium would work in the older
> Diesels?  It would heed to hold a lot of soot.
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon --
>
OK Don
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Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries

[John Reames]

I'm guessing that the pits were intact, likely due to (relatively) insensitive 
HE, otherwise there would have been a big mess (sans mushroom), and there 
wouldn't be a secondary in the hole (it would be all over the countryside)

Now, I would be worried if I heard of one that never left the ground and was in 
the all-but-one state.  Likewise for any form of "care" package; they are 
likely designed to be difficult to impossible to set off (uber-fail-safe) when 
not armed, even if all deployment checks are met, but once armed aboard the 
means of deployment, strategically, they should fail-deadly...

I'd bet that it is nigh-on-impossible to improperly make one go off, even with 
the procedures, and it would require a complete factory teardown to change 
things.

It also sounds like the procedures to un-safe them have technical means of 
enforcing multi-person responsibility in a way that would make even the best 
financial controller's cash handling procedures look like petty theater...

And THAT is why we are safe (and I don't worry about it (or fear them...)) 

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On Jan 28, 2011, at 20:25, "WILTON"  wrote:

> Yes, I  know; I've been trying to tell 'em (locals) about that sort of thing 
> for years, but there's still a large "contingent" (including local newspaper 
> reporters) who seem to enjoy sensationalism and like to sell newspapers, 
> etc., by printing the story again about every 5 or so years with the same 
> misinformation.
> 
> About a month ago I received a copy of the Feb '61 Sandia Corp. (the nation's 
> nuke weapons experts) report that fairly well confirms what I've been saying 
> about the accident for many years - that there was very little to no danger 
> of nuke det.
> 
> BTW, early part of aircraft breakup pulled safety pins that normally would 
> prevent release and extraction of pullout pins that would generate a pulse 
> (much like Wiley Coyote's plunger that generates pulse to detonate dynamite 
> near the Road Runner) to initiate fusing sequence.  Very unusual centrifugal 
> forces tore the 9k-pound weapons from their shackles, pullout switches were 
> extracted, pulse was generated and normal fusing and firing sequence started. 
>  In bomb number 1, all of the switches, including ARM/SAFE switch (and 
> altitude, airspeed, chute, etc.), worked normally and in proper sequence, 
> but, again, yes, the "safety" was ON - ARM/SAFE switch was SAFE. All of those 
> properly activated switches meant nothing - safety was "ON." Bomb number 2 
> fell without chute and destroyed itself upon impact with ground before fusing 
> sequence was complete.  'Course it also was "SAFE" - not armed.
> 
> There was extremely little danger of nuke det from either one of 'em.  I'm 
> hesitating to say, "NO DANGER," because nothing is absolutely 100% perfect, 
> including nuke weapons; I'm sure the guys at Sandia are still trying to 
> attain perfection, but how can one ever know that absolutely every 
> contingency has been covered?
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "John Reames" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries
> 
> 
>> Before fussing 'bout it google "strong link" "weak link" and "permissive 
>> action link"...
>> 
>> All that happened was that things were enough to pass the "security" checks 
>> that the thing's "brain" goes through so that it will only go off after all 
>> conditions are satisfied; I would imagine it would be at least 4-5 things, 
>> such as wanting to see the pin actually pulled from the rail, then having a 
>> certain amount of freefall, then likely a sharp deceleration due to the 
>> retardation mechanism (chute?) deploying, etc.
>> 
>> But that's all conjecture...
>> 
>> It's like saying that a dropped gun almost went off because the safety 
>> disengaged and the trigger moved and the hammer moved, but glossing over the 
>> thing not having a firing pin!
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> On Jan 27, 2011, at 16:06, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
>> 
>>> To think that only 1 small switch was all that kept all the hellfire
>>> inside that day...
>>> 
>>> Quite a sobering thought on the fragility of a complex system as well.
>>> 
>>> Walt
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 3:57 PM, WILTON  wrote:
 Structural damage to right wing during air refueling; coupla hours later,
 aircraft went into uncontrollable spin as flaps were lowered at beginning 
 of
 final approach.  (Flaps on right may not have gone down properly because of
 prior  damage to wing.)  Empennage (tail section with horiz. and vertical
 stabilizers) and right wing broke off; fuselage twisted apart down middle 
 of
 bomb bay, pulling release system safety pins and causing bombs to separate
 from aircraft as if they had been released deliberately.
 
>>>

Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again

[John Reames]

Now you're cooking with gas :) 

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On Jan 28, 2011, at 20:23, Craig  wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:59:47 -0500 John Reames 
> wrote:
> 
>> If you're going to dream, dream big...
>> 
>> We all drive our yellow LWB (yellow LWB)...
> 
> Or maybe, " ... yellow AMG ..."
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes and blind North Americans

[Curt Raymond]

I'm also a big fan of the 2.2l 190D, not enough power to get into trouble with 
but good enough handling to be fun.

I'm surprisingly pleased with the auto trans in my '84, its quite zippy. Of 
course it ought to be with only 167,000 miles.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:39:53 -0600
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Of course, very little original was left at the ned, other than the body and
frame. It was the car that got the Olds 215 V8 transplant - with LOTS of
modifications. The MGC sway bars did help the handling quite a bit.

My son is thinking that his manny 190D id like that - he can drive it flat
out, have fun, with little risk of exceeding speed limits. He'd like the
suspension from a 16v, but that will have to wait till he's out of grad
school (just accepted at MTU).

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, E M  wrote:

> That is an accomplishment of true devotion! :-)  There's a company over in
> England, I think it's called Heritage.  They got their hands on a number of
> the old bucks and patterns, and offer new bodies in various levels, from a
> fender, right through to a whole new body, that you just find a donor car
> and bolt the mechanical bits on.  They've done a lot to help a number of
> MGs
> stay on the road, that would otherwise still be languishing in sheds or in
> the bone-yard.
>
> A friend of mine restored and uses an old MG TC during the summer.  Really
> fun car.  Amazing just how well many of those old British cars are
> supported
> by the hobby industry.
>
> Ed-bit of a closet Anglophile.
> 300E
>



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Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries

[WILTON]

Yes, I  know; I've been trying to tell 'em (locals) about that sort of thing 
for years, but there's still a large "contingent" (including local newspaper 
reporters) who seem to enjoy sensationalism and like to sell newspapers, 
etc., by printing the story again about every 5 or so years with the same 
misinformation.


About a month ago I received a copy of the Feb '61 Sandia Corp. (the 
nation's nuke weapons experts) report that fairly well confirms what I've 
been saying about the accident for many years - that there was very little 
to no danger of nuke det.


BTW, early part of aircraft breakup pulled safety pins that normally would 
prevent release and extraction of pullout pins that would generate a pulse 
(much like Wiley Coyote's plunger that generates pulse to detonate dynamite 
near the Road Runner) to initiate fusing sequence.  Very unusual centrifugal 
forces tore the 9k-pound weapons from their shackles, pullout switches were 
extracted, pulse was generated and normal fusing and firing sequence 
started.  In bomb number 1, all of the switches, including ARM/SAFE switch 
(and altitude, airspeed, chute, etc.), worked normally and in proper 
sequence, but, again, yes, the "safety" was ON - ARM/SAFE switch was SAFE. 
All of those properly activated switches meant nothing - safety was "ON." 
Bomb number 2 fell without chute and destroyed itself upon impact with 
ground before fusing sequence was complete.  'Course it also was "SAFE" - 
not armed.


There was extremely little danger of nuke det from either one of 'em.  I'm 
hesitating to say, "NO DANGER," because nothing is absolutely 100% perfect, 
including nuke weapons; I'm sure the guys at Sandia are still trying to 
attain perfection, but how can one ever know that absolutely every 
contingency has been covered?


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "John Reames" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries


Before fussing 'bout it google "strong link" "weak link" and "permissive 
action link"...


All that happened was that things were enough to pass the "security" 
checks that the thing's "brain" goes through so that it will only go off 
after all conditions are satisfied; I would imagine it would be at least 
4-5 things, such as wanting to see the pin actually pulled from the rail, 
then having a certain amount of freefall, then likely a sharp deceleration 
due to the retardation mechanism (chute?) deploying, etc.


But that's all conjecture...

It's like saying that a dropped gun almost went off because the safety 
disengaged and the trigger moved and the hammer moved, but glossing over 
the thing not having a firing pin!



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On Jan 27, 2011, at 16:06, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:


To think that only 1 small switch was all that kept all the hellfire
inside that day...

Quite a sobering thought on the fragility of a complex system as well.

Walt

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 3:57 PM, WILTON  wrote:
Structural damage to right wing during air refueling; coupla hours 
later,
aircraft went into uncontrollable spin as flaps were lowered at 
beginning of
final approach.  (Flaps on right may not have gone down properly because 
of
prior  damage to wing.)  Empennage (tail section with horiz. and 
vertical
stabilizers) and right wing broke off; fuselage twisted apart down 
middle of
bomb bay, pulling release system safety pins and causing bombs to 
separate

from aircraft as if they had been released deliberately.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "E M" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries



Was a report ever released as to why the plane broke up?  It would be
interesting to hear more about the event after your dinner in 2 weeks. 
I'm
sure he'll have one story to tell that will hold everyone's attention 
over

dinner!

Ed
300E

On 27 January 2011 15:16, WILTON  wrote:



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Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again

[Craig]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:59:47 -0500 John Reames 
wrote:

> If you're going to dream, dream big...
> 
> We all drive our yellow LWB (yellow LWB)...

Or maybe, " ... yellow AMG ..."


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again

[John Reames]

If you're going to dream, dream big...

We all drive our yellow LWB (yellow LWB)...

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On Jan 28, 2011, at 19:33, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:

> We all drive in a yellow 24-dee, yellow 24-dee... :)
> 
> Hehe!
> 
> Walt
> On Jan 28, 2011 7:29 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:
>> +1
>> 
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:53:29 +
>> From: buymbpa...@gmail.com
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again
>> Message-ID:
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>> 
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>> 
>> 
>> Good idea.
>> 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless handheld
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Craig 
>> Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:40:03
>> To: 
>> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again
>> 
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:41:22 +1030 Hendrik & Fay 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> who thinks there may NEED to be some relationship counseling
>> 
>> How about we call a truce on all this "Dump on Roger" stuff?
>> 
>> I've had enough.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again

[Walt Zarnoch]

We all drive in a yellow 24-dee, yellow 24-dee... :)

Hehe!

Walt
On Jan 28, 2011 7:29 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:
> +1
>
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:53:29 +
> From: buymbpa...@gmail.com
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again
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>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
>
> Good idea.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless handheld
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Craig 
> Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:40:03
> To: 
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again
>
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:41:22 +1030 Hendrik & Fay 
> wrote:
>
>> who thinks there may NEED to be some relationship counseling
>
> How about we call a truce on all this "Dump on Roger" stuff?
>
> I've had enough.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again

[Curt Raymond]

+1

Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:53:29 +
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Good idea.

Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless handheld

-Original Message-
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Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:41:22 +1030 Hendrik & Fay 
wrote:

> who thinks there may NEED to be some relationship counseling

How about we call a truce on all this "Dump on Roger" stuff?

I've had enough.


Craig


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries

[WILTON]

Yes, supposedly still there.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "John Reames" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries


Isn't the secondary of the second one still better than 50ft down due to 
the 700mph impact speed?


'course it probably still emits zoomies...


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On Jan 27, 2011, at 15:16, "WILTON"  wrote:

Two were released 12 miles north of here 50 years ago this month when the 
B-52G carrying them on airborne alert broke up at about 10k feet, and 
they separated from the aircraft as if they had been deliberately 
released. Retardation chute on one of 'em deployed and all of the 
internal fusing and firing switches worked as designed/planned, but there 
was no nuclear detonation because it was in SAFE configuration - not 
ARMED.
Retardation chute on the other one did not deploy - chute static lanyard 
to the aircraft was severed before the bomb separated from the aircraft. 
After separation, its fusing and firing sequence started, with its 
switches also working as designed, but it struck the ground and destroyed 
itself before the sequence was complete.  Again, there was no nuclear 
detonation because it was also in SAFE configuration (not ARMED), and the 
bomb destroyed itself when it hit the ground before the fusing/firing 
sequence was complete. Chance of nuke det from either of these was 
extremely slim to nil - they were NOT ARMED (ARM/SAFE switches) inside of 
each was in SAFE position. Crew radar navigator/bombardier would not have 
armed them until a properly decode and authenticated msg from the 
President had been received and they were very near or over "enemy" 
territory and, certainly, NEVER over friendly territory.


Chance of being struck by falling and burning debris was much greater 
than nuke det, but nobody and no structure was damaged by any debris.


Miracle of the accident is that the lieutenant in instructor pilot's seat 
(no ejection seat) survived exiting the aircraft manually via an upward 
escape hatch.  He's still living; I'll meet him in about 2 weeks at a 
dinner at the small community fire station near the crash site.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 


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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries


Some years ago a few were unloaded right near where Wilton lives now. 
They did not go off though!


--R

On 1/27/2011 10:27 AM, E M wrote:

See, all you need to do is find some open water (preferably not lake
Ontario), unload the cargo, and then you'll have lots of free space in 
the

back to move around in. ;-)  hee hee

Ed
300E

On 27 January 2011 10:18, WILTON  wrote:

Yeah, immediately in back of the flight cabin is the forward wheel 
well,
and immediately in back of that is a nice, large bay full of really 
potent

"packages."

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas"<
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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries


 No, out the back they had the "package."

--R

On 1/27/2011 3:36 AM, Hendrik&  Fay wrote:

Yeah right, I am sure that out the back they had the lounge, with a 
fully

stocked bar, a stewardess and reclining chairs.
Chuck it on auto pilot and it's party time.

Hendrik
who has seen a B-52 from the outside but never went inside

WILTON wrote:

Have you ever seen that small cabin in the sky that I was confined 
to

for MANY hours at a time?

Wilton





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Re: [MBZ] fleece humor, of a sort

[Kevin Kraly]

I wonder if the fleecy type filtering medium would work in the older 
Diesels?  It would heed to hold a lot of soot.


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 



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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes

[Mitch Haley]

Hendrik & Fay wrote:

Which side are you talking about?


I was talking about the right side. I was inspecting that pic because it had the 
vest depiction of a wheel.

Left side is likely original.


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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes and blind North Americans

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:

AMEN - said the guy who put 100,000 miles on an MGA.


Was that the MB/Buick A ?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes

[Hendrik & Fay]

Which side are you talking about?
http://www.carsales.com.au/Tig/UI/PagePopup.aspx?R=8574713&PhotoID=7956401&h_mid=4414540&f_mid=&c_mid=4414529&pid=240481&tabID=804367
http://www.carsales.com.au/Tig/UI/PagePopup.aspx?R=8574713&PhotoID=7956402&h_mid=4414540&f_mid=&c_mid=4414529&pid=240481&tabID=804367&autoplay=false

Hendrik
who has matching wheels all round except for the spare

Mitch Haley wrote:



The wheels look like some aftermarket 15" that adsit is selling.
Sort of like an AMG wheel, sort of like a 6 hole W140 wheel:
http://www.adsitco.com/category.asp?CID=1712






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Re: [MBZ] economical

[Kevin Kraly]

A Black interior was great when I had a Black Lab guide dog.  Of course, 
black MB-Tex seats and bare legs = ouc!


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Re: [MBZ] economical

[E M]

One thing I like about black, if you hang onto a car long enough, and need
to start replacing interior parts, black seems to be the last interior
colour they start deleting from their inventory.

Ed
300E

On 28 January 2011 16:22, andrew strasfogel  wrote:

> Black interiors suc*.  I will NEVER own a car with a black interior.
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:03 PM,  wrote:
>
> > > Don't want you mistaking MBtex for leather or anything anything
> > > like that. ;-) hee hee..
> > >
> > Well, black MBTex does look a bit economical but remember the old German
> > rule, "If you can't make it cheap, at least make it look cheap."
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries

[John Reames]

Before fussing 'bout it google "strong link" "weak link" and "permissive action 
link"...

All that happened was that things were enough to pass the "security" checks 
that the thing's "brain" goes through so that it will only go off after all 
conditions are satisfied; I would imagine it would be at least 4-5 things, such 
as wanting to see the pin actually pulled from the rail, then having a certain 
amount of freefall, then likely a sharp deceleration due to the retardation 
mechanism (chute?) deploying, etc. 

But that's all conjecture...

It's like saying that a dropped gun almost went off because the safety 
disengaged and the trigger moved and the hammer moved, but glossing over the 
thing not having a firing pin!


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On Jan 27, 2011, at 16:06, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:

> To think that only 1 small switch was all that kept all the hellfire
> inside that day...
> 
> Quite a sobering thought on the fragility of a complex system as well.
> 
> Walt
> 
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 3:57 PM, WILTON  wrote:
>> Structural damage to right wing during air refueling; coupla hours later,
>> aircraft went into uncontrollable spin as flaps were lowered at beginning of
>> final approach.  (Flaps on right may not have gone down properly because of
>> prior  damage to wing.)  Empennage (tail section with horiz. and vertical
>> stabilizers) and right wing broke off; fuselage twisted apart down middle of
>> bomb bay, pulling release system safety pins and causing bombs to separate
>> from aircraft as if they had been released deliberately.
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "E M" 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 3:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries
>> 
>> 
>>> Was a report ever released as to why the plane broke up?  It would be
>>> interesting to hear more about the event after your dinner in 2 weeks. I'm
>>> sure he'll have one story to tell that will hold everyone's attention over
>>> dinner!
>>> 
>>> Ed
>>> 300E
>>> 
>>> On 27 January 2011 15:16, WILTON  wrote:
>>> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries

[John Reames]

Isn't the secondary of the second one still better than 50ft down due to the 
700mph impact speed?

'course it probably still emits zoomies...


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On Jan 27, 2011, at 15:16, "WILTON"  wrote:

> Two were released 12 miles north of here 50 years ago this month when the 
> B-52G carrying them on airborne alert broke up at about 10k feet, and they 
> separated from the aircraft as if they had been deliberately released. 
> Retardation chute on one of 'em deployed and all of the internal fusing and 
> firing switches worked as designed/planned, but there was no nuclear 
> detonation because it was in SAFE configuration - not ARMED.
> Retardation chute on the other one did not deploy - chute static lanyard to 
> the aircraft was severed before the bomb separated from the aircraft.  After 
> separation, its fusing and firing sequence started, with its switches also 
> working as designed, but it struck the ground and destroyed itself before the 
> sequence was complete.  Again, there was no nuclear detonation because it was 
> also in SAFE configuration (not ARMED), and the bomb destroyed itself when it 
> hit the ground before the fusing/firing sequence was complete. Chance of nuke 
> det from either of these was extremely slim to nil - they were NOT ARMED 
> (ARM/SAFE switches) inside of each was in SAFE position. Crew radar 
> navigator/bombardier would not have armed them until a properly decode and 
> authenticated msg from the President had been received and they were very 
> near or over "enemy" territory and, certainly, NEVER over friendly territory.
> 
> Chance of being struck by falling and burning debris was much greater than 
> nuke det, but nobody and no structure was damaged by any debris.
> 
> Miracle of the accident is that the lieutenant in instructor pilot's seat (no 
> ejection seat) survived exiting the aircraft manually via an upward escape 
> hatch.  He's still living; I'll meet him in about 2 weeks at a dinner at the 
> small community fire station near the crash site.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 
> 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries
> 
> 
>> Some years ago a few were unloaded right near where Wilton lives now. They 
>> did not go off though!
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> On 1/27/2011 10:27 AM, E M wrote:
>>> See, all you need to do is find some open water (preferably not lake
>>> Ontario), unload the cargo, and then you'll have lots of free space in the
>>> back to move around in. ;-)  hee hee
>>> 
>>> Ed
>>> 300E
>>> 
>>> On 27 January 2011 10:18, WILTON  wrote:
>>> 
 Yeah, immediately in back of the flight cabin is the forward wheel well,
 and immediately in back of that is a nice, large bay full of really potent
 "packages."
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas"<
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
 To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
 Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries
 
 
  No, out the back they had the "package."
> --R
> 
> On 1/27/2011 3:36 AM, Hendrik&  Fay wrote:
> 
>> Yeah right, I am sure that out the back they had the lounge, with a fully
>> stocked bar, a stewardess and reclining chairs.
>> Chuck it on auto pilot and it's party time.
>> 
>> Hendrik
>> who has seen a B-52 from the outside but never went inside
>> 
>> WILTON wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you ever seen that small cabin in the sky that I was confined to
>>> for MANY hours at a time?
>>> 
>>> Wilton
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[MBZ] Jan. 28, 1938: The Passing of the Silver Comet

[Rich Thomas]

http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2011/01/jan-28-1938-the-passing-of-the-silver-comet-2/ 



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Re: [MBZ] fleece humor, of a sort

[OK Don]

I thought I remembered that the ML has the :fleece" filter:
http://www.buymbparts.biz/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=2001-Mercedes--benz-Ml3--0-Engine--Mechanical&yearid=2001%40%402001&makeid=63%40%40Mercedes-Benz&modelid=6416%3AED|212%3AMBC|1583%40%40ML320&catid=240154%40%40Engine+Mechanical&subcatid=240348@@Oil+Filter+Kit&mode=PD

"*Oil Filter 
Kit*
Notes: Fleece oil filter. Due to increased maintenance intervals,this filter
comes equipped with an advanced filter media that allows the increase of
service intervals with better filter efficiency, especially when using
synthetic oils. Optional with 000 180 31 09."

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:16 PM,  wrote:

> > Woger was saying that HIS new MB changes its own oil every 10 k
> > miles.  He went on to say his MB put in new fleece filters when it
> > changes its own oil.  Fleece is wool.  MB filters have no wool.  The
> > MB filters are extended interval, just like the toilet paper filter
> > sold years ago for use with or without amsoil.
> >
> > I was illustrating absurdity with absurdity, but humor is seldom
> > clear in email...
> >
> Just a tiny clarification...
>
> The term "fleece" in this application is the appearance of the filter
> material, visible from the filter's exterior. That term is used by MB,
> MBUSA and
> it's parts database and the dealers to differentiate the same size filter
> that used paper before the extended change idea came along, possibly from
> the
> sales department to decrease service costs compared to the competition.
> Such
> as BMW whose original warranty provides for all service including wear
> items (not tires) while it's in force.
>
> Making any comparison with today's filtering technology vs TP filters is as
> you say, "absurd."
>
> Since my car will be due for an oil change in a week or so, I'm going to
> watching it closely to see if it really can change it's own oil and filter.
> I
> will be hiding my Topsider to make it tougher.
>
> I say again, go to buymbparts.biz and look at the W204 oil filter kit to
> see the fleece filter.
>
> RLE
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Re: [MBZ] spins

[OK Don]

Another reason why any plane with more than one engine is "too many parts
flying in close formation".

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:54 PM,  wrote:

> > ...Does this indicate that you aren't supposed to intentionally spin a
> > B52? Don't think I'd want to trust a plane that can't survive a spin...
> >
> Ectually, multi-engine aircraft are not spin tested and that even includes
> the smallest light (below 12500 lbs gross weight) twins. Inverted flat
> spins
> in a twin usually don't work out very well, having examined the remains
> such an accident.
>
> RLE
>


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Re: [MBZ] finding the ground

[Rich Thomas]

Uh, that was in reference to a fly-by-wire F-16.

--R

On 1/28/2011 5:20 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

...Begs the question why the pilot needs to deal with landing after a
flame-out.  I would think the flight computers could calculate an
optimal glide path and landing spot once the pilot tells it where it
needs to be...


I'm pretty sure that a B-52's nav avionics are nowhere near as capable as
even a new Cessna 172 which can do this. The new Garmin glass panel equipment
is amazing.

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Re: [MBZ] new panels

[RELNGSON]

> ...That is an accomplishment of true devotion! :-)  There's a company 
> over in
> England, I think it's called Heritage.  They got their hands on a number 
> of
> the old bucks and patterns, and offer new bodies in various levels, from a
> fender, right through to a whole new body, that you just find a donor car
> and bolt the mechanical bits on...
> 
A few years back, an Australian guy opened a specialized body shop for the 
well heeled here in Seattle. During the time my friend SJB's '56 Speedster 
was in his shop for major metal replacement, the job was shunted aside for 
more lucrative work more than once. He was an expert with an English Wheel and 
he produced a new pontoon fender for a real Testarossa, owned by a local 
collector which had been damaged somehow. I shudder to think of the cost but 
there was no choice for a car of that value.

Unfortunately, he was deported.

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Re: [MBZ] Rodney King said....

[RELNGSON]

> ...who thinks there may NEED to be some relationship counseling..
> 
I'm pretty sure I'm out of the will now, anyway.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] finding the ground

[RELNGSON]

> ...Begs the question why the pilot needs to deal with landing after a
> flame-out.  I would think the flight computers could calculate an
> optimal glide path and landing spot once the pilot tells it where it
> needs to be...
> 
I'm pretty sure that a B-52's nav avionics are nowhere near as capable as 
even a new Cessna 172 which can do this. The new Garmin glass panel equipment 
is amazing.

RLE
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] fleece humor, of a sort

[RELNGSON]

> Woger was saying that HIS new MB changes its own oil every 10 k
> miles.  He went on to say his MB put in new fleece filters when it
> changes its own oil.  Fleece is wool.  MB filters have no wool.  The
> MB filters are extended interval, just like the toilet paper filter
> sold years ago for use with or without amsoil.
> 
> I was illustrating absurdity with absurdity, but humor is seldom
> clear in email...
> 
Just a tiny clarification...

The term "fleece" in this application is the appearance of the filter 
material, visible from the filter's exterior. That term is used by MB, MBUSA 
and 
it's parts database and the dealers to differentiate the same size filter 
that used paper before the extended change idea came along, possibly from the 
sales department to decrease service costs compared to the competition. Such 
as BMW whose original warranty provides for all service including wear 
items (not tires) while it's in force.

Making any comparison with today's filtering technology vs TP filters is as 
you say, "absurd."

Since my car will be due for an oil change in a week or so, I'm going to 
watching it closely to see if it really can change it's own oil and filter. I 
will be hiding my Topsider to make it tougher.

I say again, go to buymbparts.biz and look at the W204 oil filter kit to 
see the fleece filter.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] spins

[RELNGSON]

> ...Does this indicate that you aren't supposed to intentionally spin a 
> B52? Don't think I'd want to trust a plane that can't survive a spin...
> 
Ectually, multi-engine aircraft are not spin tested and that even includes 
the smallest light (below 12500 lbs gross weight) twins. Inverted flat spins 
in a twin usually don't work out very well, having examined the remains 
such an accident.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] economical

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I actually like black leather interiors. Easy to keep clean and very slick 
looking. You definitely suffer in the summertime though.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2011, at 4:22 PM, andrew strasfogel  wrote:

Black interiors suc*.  I will NEVER own a car with a black interior.

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:03 PM,  wrote:

Don't want you mistaking MBtex for leather or anything anything
like that. ;-) hee hee..

Well, black MBTex does look a bit economical but remember the old German
rule, "If you can't make it cheap, at least make it look cheap."

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] 300td engine ??? Snowfall

[R A Bennell]

We must be close behind on this today. We got dumped on this morning.

Of course, you can count on it melting sooner than we can.

Randy in Winterpeg

On 28/01/2011 3:21 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

A truly amazing fact is that the official 5.2" snowfall total for Washington
DC (measured at DCA) was so moisture-laden that it was equivalent to 1.5" of
rain.  Normally, 1" of rain = 10" of snow.  This was a record for
precipitation for January 26!

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:


NYC area is mostly underground service iirc, very little above ground
wiring.

Walt
  On Jan 27, 2011 4:36 PM, "andrew strasfogel"
wrote:

Yesterday for once the forecasters were spot-on. Unfortunately so! The
snow came barrelling in at 5 PM on the dot, following an hour of freezing
rain and sleet. Although the temperatures were above freezing (33.8 deg.)
the wet snow fell with such impact that it immediately began to stick on

all

surfaces. Tree branches already glazed with ice broke under the heavy wet
snow, causing our power to fail permanently at 7:30 PM. Worst of all was
the timing: middle of a non-holiday week at precisely the start of the

rush

hour! Folks were stranded for 12 hours (*sic*) i ntheir cars on the

George

Washington Parkway. Bus service ended early, and some were stuck in

traffic

for seeral hours. Most roadds and highways in the DC Metro area were
virtual parking lots through the evening rush and beyond. In all my 35
years here I have never sen anything like it. 400K people w/o power and
slow repairs anticipated.

The 70 year old red maple in our back yard lost a huge limb, which

crashed

to earth a few inches from our back door (phew!). In my neighborhood (.5
miles from Maryland) we received only 5", although further to the west
totals were around a foot. I envy NYC in a way. 19" of snow fell in

Central

Park but it must have been the fluffier variety because not that many

people

lost power.

Andrew
1985 300TD under a blanket of ice and snow
1983 300TD cozy and snow free in the garage

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com>

wrote:

I didn't think they even bothered with real money. They just say the

magic

words and more money is available to spend.



And the best part is, DC residents get to visit the Mint if they are

short

of cash..

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com>

wrote:

Ja,but... Andrew lives in DC, the land of flowing taxpayer money. That

is

just a few lattes out there.



That is what Andrew wanted I believe, but one kilobuck is a mite

pricey,

no?

--R

On 1/24/2011 10:34 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:

it that's what it is

not mine, etc

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/pts/2149208652.html

Mercedes 300 TD Engine only - $1000 (Ripley,WV)

Date: 2011-01-07, 6:45PM EST
Reply to: sale-eeb9m-2149208...@craigslist.org [Errors when

replying

to
ads?]

I have a 1985 300TD Engine. It is in great shape , you can hear it
run.

Location: Ripley,WV




thanks,

xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again

[R A Bennell]

I guess I need to read more of the postings. I miss all the drama. When 
I read something like this, I have to go back and figure out what happened.


Randy

On 28/01/2011 3:17 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

I thought it was spelled Woger.  Now I am confused (again).

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:15 PM, E M  wrote:


This is a great group, and a group I look forward to checking in on several
times a day.  I like the idea that the group consisted of all different
personality types.  I think everyone brings something to the table, and I
get a kick out of reading it all.  I enjoy Roger and his contribution on
newer cars and his background which is more engineer based, right through
to
the guys who keep their old bangers on the road with the use of duct tape
and rubberbands.  I think it's all great, and as different as we all are,
what makes it great, is we're all Benz guys. :-)

Ed
300E

On 28 January 2011 13:56, Rick Knoble  wrote:




To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
From: buymbpa...@gmail.com
Good idea.

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld

-Original Message-
From: Craig
How about we call a truce on all this "Dump on Roger" stuff?

I've had enough.
Craig

Agreed.

Rick

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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes and blind North Americans

[OK Don]

Of course, very little original was left at the ned, other than the body and
frame. It was the car that got the Olds 215 V8 transplant - with LOTS of
modifications. The MGC sway bars did help the handling quite a bit.

My son is thinking that his manny 190D id like that - he can drive it flat
out, have fun, with little risk of exceeding speed limits. He'd like the
suspension from a 16v, but that will have to wait till he's out of grad
school (just accepted at MTU).

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, E M  wrote:

> That is an accomplishment of true devotion! :-)  There's a company over in
> England, I think it's called Heritage.  They got their hands on a number of
> the old bucks and patterns, and offer new bodies in various levels, from a
> fender, right through to a whole new body, that you just find a donor car
> and bolt the mechanical bits on.  They've done a lot to help a number of
> MGs
> stay on the road, that would otherwise still be languishing in sheds or in
> the bone-yard.
>
> A friend of mine restored and uses an old MG TC during the summer.  Really
> fun car.  Amazing just how well many of those old British cars are
> supported
> by the hobby industry.
>
> Ed-bit of a closet Anglophile.
> 300E
>



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Re: [MBZ] economical

[andrew strasfogel]

Black interiors suc*.  I will NEVER own a car with a black interior.

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:03 PM,  wrote:

> > Don't want you mistaking MBtex for leather or anything anything
> > like that. ;-) hee hee..
> >
> Well, black MBTex does look a bit economical but remember the old German
> rule, "If you can't make it cheap, at least make it look cheap."
>
> RLE
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 300td engine

[andrew strasfogel]

A truly amazing fact is that the official 5.2" snowfall total for Washington
DC (measured at DCA) was so moisture-laden that it was equivalent to 1.5" of
rain.  Normally, 1" of rain = 10" of snow.  This was a record for
precipitation for January 26!

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:

> NYC area is mostly underground service iirc, very little above ground
> wiring.
>
> Walt
>  On Jan 27, 2011 4:36 PM, "andrew strasfogel" 
> wrote:
> > Yesterday for once the forecasters were spot-on. Unfortunately so! The
> > snow came barrelling in at 5 PM on the dot, following an hour of freezing
> > rain and sleet. Although the temperatures were above freezing (33.8 deg.)
> > the wet snow fell with such impact that it immediately began to stick on
> all
> > surfaces. Tree branches already glazed with ice broke under the heavy wet
> > snow, causing our power to fail permanently at 7:30 PM. Worst of all was
> > the timing: middle of a non-holiday week at precisely the start of the
> rush
> > hour! Folks were stranded for 12 hours (*sic*) i ntheir cars on the
> George
> > Washington Parkway. Bus service ended early, and some were stuck in
> traffic
> > for seeral hours. Most roadds and highways in the DC Metro area were
> > virtual parking lots through the evening rush and beyond. In all my 35
> > years here I have never sen anything like it. 400K people w/o power and
> > slow repairs anticipated.
> >
> > The 70 year old red maple in our back yard lost a huge limb, which
> crashed
> > to earth a few inches from our back door (phew!). In my neighborhood (.5
> > miles from Maryland) we received only 5", although further to the west
> > totals were around a foot. I envy NYC in a way. 19" of snow fell in
> Central
> > Park but it must have been the fluffier variety because not that many
> people
> > lost power.
> >
> > Andrew
> > 1985 300TD under a blanket of ice and snow
> > 1983 300TD cozy and snow free in the garage
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I didn't think they even bothered with real money. They just say the
> magic
> >> words and more money is available to spend.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And the best part is, DC residents get to visit the Mint if they are
> short
> >>> of cash..
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ja,but... Andrew lives in DC, the land of flowing taxpayer money. That
> is
>  just a few lattes out there.
> 
> 
> 
>  That is what Andrew wanted I believe, but one kilobuck is a mite
> pricey,
> 
> > no?
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 1/24/2011 10:34 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
> >
> > it that's what it is
> >>
> >> not mine, etc
> >>
> >> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/pts/2149208652.html
> >>
> >> Mercedes 300 TD Engine only - $1000 (Ripley,WV)
> >>
> >> Date: 2011-01-07, 6:45PM EST
> >> Reply to: sale-eeb9m-2149208...@craigslist.org [Errors when
> replying
> >> to
> >> ads?]
> >>
> >> I have a 1985 300TD Engine. It is in great shape , you can hear it
> >> run.
> >>
> >> Location: Ripley,WV
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >>
> >> xx rick
> >> Rick Hawkins
> >>
> >> www.javaphoto.com
> >> www.javacycles.com
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again

[andrew strasfogel]

I thought it was spelled Woger.  Now I am confused (again).

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:15 PM, E M  wrote:

> This is a great group, and a group I look forward to checking in on several
> times a day.  I like the idea that the group consisted of all different
> personality types.  I think everyone brings something to the table, and I
> get a kick out of reading it all.  I enjoy Roger and his contribution on
> newer cars and his background which is more engineer based, right through
> to
> the guys who keep their old bangers on the road with the use of duct tape
> and rubberbands.  I think it's all great, and as different as we all are,
> what makes it great, is we're all Benz guys. :-)
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 28 January 2011 13:56, Rick Knoble  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > > From: buymbpa...@gmail.com
> >
> > >
> > > Good idea.
> > >
> > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Craig 
> >
> > > How about we call a truce on all this "Dump on Roger" stuff?
> > >
> > > I've had enough.
> >
> > > Craig
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
> > Rick
> >
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Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again

[E M]

This is a great group, and a group I look forward to checking in on several
times a day.  I like the idea that the group consisted of all different
personality types.  I think everyone brings something to the table, and I
get a kick out of reading it all.  I enjoy Roger and his contribution on
newer cars and his background which is more engineer based, right through to
the guys who keep their old bangers on the road with the use of duct tape
and rubberbands.  I think it's all great, and as different as we all are,
what makes it great, is we're all Benz guys. :-)

Ed
300E

On 28 January 2011 13:56, Rick Knoble  wrote:

>
>
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > From: buymbpa...@gmail.com
>
> >
> > Good idea.
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Craig 
>
> > How about we call a truce on all this "Dump on Roger" stuff?
> >
> > I've had enough.
>
> > Craig
>
> Agreed.
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes and blind North Americans

[E M]

Our generation is missing out, if they don't look into this formula for
building sports cars.  Add a bit of damp road, and as a driving enthusiast,
you'd be hard pressed to have more fun in a car.  In many way, those
old-times had is all figured out! :-)

Ed
300E

On 28 January 2011 13:47, Alex Chamberlain  wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, E M  wrote:
> > I think there's something to that logic.  One of the reasons Miata's are
> so
> > popular amongst car guys, and gals.  You can have a ball driving the
> thing
> > 10/10ths, and not worry about going straight to jail.
>
> Old-timers will recommend British sports cars for exactly that reason,
> too.  Lots of fun to be had with RWD, skinny little tires, and a live
> rear axle.
>
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes and blind North Americans

[E M]

That is an accomplishment of true devotion! :-)  There's a company over in
England, I think it's called Heritage.  They got their hands on a number of
the old bucks and patterns, and offer new bodies in various levels, from a
fender, right through to a whole new body, that you just find a donor car
and bolt the mechanical bits on.  They've done a lot to help a number of MGs
stay on the road, that would otherwise still be languishing in sheds or in
the bone-yard.

A friend of mine restored and uses an old MG TC during the summer.  Really
fun car.  Amazing just how well many of those old British cars are supported
by the hobby industry.

Ed-bit of a closet Anglophile.
300E

On 28 January 2011 15:53, OK Don  wrote:

> AMEN - said the guy who put 100,000 miles on an MGA.
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Alex Chamberlain
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, E M  wrote:
> > > I think there's something to that logic.  One of the reasons Miata's
> are
> > so
> > > popular amongst car guys, and gals.  You can have a ball driving the
> > thing
> > > 10/10ths, and not worry about going straight to jail.
> >
> > Old-timers will recommend British sports cars for exactly that reason,
> > too.  Lots of fun to be had with RWD, skinny little tires, and a live
> > rear axle.
> >
> > Alex
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes and blind North Americans

[OK Don]

AMEN - said the guy who put 100,000 miles on an MGA.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, E M  wrote:
> > I think there's something to that logic.  One of the reasons Miata's are
> so
> > popular amongst car guys, and gals.  You can have a ball driving the
> thing
> > 10/10ths, and not worry about going straight to jail.
>
> Old-timers will recommend British sports cars for exactly that reason,
> too.  Lots of fun to be had with RWD, skinny little tires, and a live
> rear axle.
>
> Alex
>



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Re: [MBZ] Starting your diesel locomotive

[John Reames]

Yah, cool locomotive. There is one in the roundhouse of the B&O RR museum... 
They also have the GG10 that dropped through the floor of union station a few 
days before eisenhower's inauguration (rusting out back, sadly)

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On Jan 27, 2011, at 19:07, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Every seen a Shay?  This Shay was originally used for logging in the 
> mountains.  Now it is headed back to colorado for a few years.
> http://goldentrianglenewspapers.com/articles/2011/01/27/mt_pleasant_news/top_stories/doc4d41bf6d36482992929171.txt
> 
> The Shay has a driveshaft running the length of the right side of engine and 
> tender.  There are 3 vertical cylinders on the right side of the boiler that 
> power the driveshaft.  In this way, in place of 2, 4, or 6 large drive 
> wheels, the shay drives all the wheels in the engine and tender.  This Shay 
> was originally oil fired, and still is. The MCRR has two Baldwins that have 
> been converted to oil fire.  They also loaned out a car for the "Dr. Quinn" 
> show, and it has been left in the "Dr. Quinn" livery.
> 
> MCRR also has a Henschel (German) locomotive.  It has an accumulator, so it 
> doesn't not sound like the traditional American Baldwin Locomotive used in 
> westerns.  MCRR has 2 Baldwins, and now will have 3.  They also rebuilt a 
> Baldwin and some cars for Michael Jackson. All MCRR stock is used on 
> occasions through the summer and fall, except for one Locomotive that is 
> rotated into the shop for major repairs.  MCRR has one of the only shops for 
> restoring steam locomotives.  For a while, it was the only steam locomotive 
> shop left.
> 
> If anyone gets a chance to be in Colorado in the next few years, I highly 
> recommend going to see the Shay when it is pulling a load uphill.  It is 
> thunderous!
> 
> 
>> or a steam locomotive -- which is easier?
>> 
>> http://www.sdrm.org/faqs/hostling.html
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> The version of an Italian tune-up
>> 
>> "Back to the cab. Looped under the fireman's seat is an electrical cord. I 
>> uncoil it and drape it over to the wall, and plug it in. I climb up into the 
>> cab, open the engineer's seatbox, and remove a trouble light. Plugging it 
>> into an electrical outlet in the cab, I open the firebox door and peer 
>> inside. There is a huge "bone" of unburned carbon in the front of the 
>> firebox, right in front of the burner. Damn. I go out to the tool car (an 
>> old Southern boxcar) and grab a pickaxe and a bucket. Back up in the cab, I 
>> hang the trouble light right outside the firebox door, toss the pickaxe into 
>> the firebox, and set the bucket on the floor in front of the door. Feet 
>> first, I squeeze into the firebox, feeling for the floor, being careful not 
>> to dislodge any of the firebrick if I can help it. Inside, I reach outside 
>> for the trouble light, locate the pickaxe, and break up the carboniferous 
>> mass. I toss the loose pieces out the door and into the bucket, and use the 
>> light to inspect the firebox, looking for loose or leaky staybolts, making 
>> sure the firebrick lining the sides of the firebox is in reasonably good 
>> condition, and checking the burner for obstructions. All I find is a couple 
>> of loose bricks, so I replace them, push my tools back out the door, and 
>> climb back out. I look back inside to make sure I didn't leave anything 
>> inside."
>> 
>> _
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 380SL speedo Was: 107 CDs online?

[John Reames]

"real radios glow in the dark" (or at least amplifiers...) mine's an Eico HF-87 
that has been rebuilt and is currently fixed bias (a la HF-89...) I'm keeping 
that (and the Kef 104/2's for a "shop/garage system" (when said garage is 
built)... (Music soothes the savage beast and all that...)

Having a little rolling table helps with the test equipment...

I'm on the lookout for a sc50x series to drop in a tm506 that's on the bench 
(fg504,dc504a, and dm101 are in it currently...)

I like the old analog scopes... And nothing wrong with the tube Teks (assuming 
the power transformer still works...)

I think the 89 was replaced by the 189, and who knows what they have revved 
that to...


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On Jan 28, 2011, at 10:30, Jim Cathey  wrote:

>> My selection is limited to an old fluke 89, a couple of the $2-3 HF 
>> throwaways (glovebox meters) and an even older Tek 7844...
> 
> Fluke 80 series is good stuff, old or not.  That Tek might
> be a bit unwieldy as a garage scope!  (Like I should talk,
> my garage scope is a Tek 561A.  Built like a 240D, and even
> has mostly tubes in it!)
> 
> -- Jim
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes

[John Reames]

Ach, you're right, the 606 was available in a 124 chassis...

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On Jan 28, 2011, at 7:59, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Earliest 4v diesel MBZ in the US was 124.131 in 1995.
> May have been concurrent with 210.020's introduction elsewhere for all I know.
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> John Reames wrote:
>> I thought the 210 was only available in W and T, and that the coupe was the 
>> 208... Anything else was unobtanium. The automatics should be 210.020 
>> (naturally aspirated sedan), 210.025 (turbo/intercooled sedan), 210.220 (NA 
>> wagon, not available in US) and 210.225 (turbo/IC wagon, not in US)
>> The 210's were the first passenger car with a 4 valve per cylinder diesel...
>> I believe that the S classes that were available during the 210 run were the 
>> 140 and the 220. I believe that there may have been an S class with the 
>> turbo/IC diesel, outside the US, of course...
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Re: [MBZ] Egypt

[Rolf]

Syria just hit their internet kill switch, I guess they are going all 
Tunisian next?


-Rolf

On 01/28/2011 11:17 AM, Rolf wrote:
OT but here is live feeds of the riots : 
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/


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Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again

[Rick Knoble]

> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> From: buymbpa...@gmail.com

> 
> Good idea.
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld
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> -Original Message-
> From: Craig 

> How about we call a truce on all this "Dump on Roger" stuff?
> 
> I've had enough.

> Craig

Agreed.

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Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again

[buymbparts]

Good idea.

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On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:41:22 +1030 Hendrik & Fay 
wrote:

> who thinks there may NEED to be some relationship counseling

How about we call a truce on all this "Dump on Roger" stuff?

I've had enough.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes and blind North Americans

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, E M  wrote:
> I think there's something to that logic.  One of the reasons Miata's are so
> popular amongst car guys, and gals.  You can have a ball driving the thing
> 10/10ths, and not worry about going straight to jail.

Old-timers will recommend British sports cars for exactly that reason,
too.  Lots of fun to be had with RWD, skinny little tires, and a live
rear axle.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again

[Craig]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:41:22 +1030 Hendrik & Fay 
wrote:

> who thinks there may NEED to be some relationship counseling

How about we call a truce on all this "Dump on Roger" stuff?

I've had enough.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes and blind North Americans

[E M]

I think there's something to that logic.  One of the reasons Miata's are so
popular amongst car guys, and gals.  You can have a ball driving the thing
10/10ths, and not worry about going straight to jail.  By the time you see a
speed where you start to have a bit for fun in any modern porsche, including
their trucks, you can pretty much kiss your car and license bye bye.  I love
the feel of the car moving around a bit under me, but then again, I cut my
teeth on a car that was always doing its' best to try and kill me. hee hee

Ed
300E

On 28 January 2011 10:42, Alex Chamberlain  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:10 AM, E M  wrote:
> >  I love my old 300E.  It goes quick
> > enough for what it is, but fast, it ain't!  All things are relative I
> guess.
>
> To my mind, there is something to be said for a car that is just fast
> enough to allow you to steer with the right foot a little bit through
> tight curves, but not so fast that you don't have room to wind the
> engine out on the occasional straight.  The 300E nails that sweet
> spot.
>
> If the sound of a straight six near the top of its rev range doesn't
> put a big grin on your face, you're not a real car guy.
>
> Alex
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[MBZ] Egypt

[Rolf]

OT but here is live feeds of the riots : 
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/


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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes and blind North Americans with cats

[WILTON]

Yep.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Hendrik & Fay" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes and blind North Americans with cats


Obviously expecting a feed of some nice stuff, they know where the food 
is kept.


Hendrik
who is the slave of one feline called Percy

WILTON wrote:
Cat evidently hears me coming from don't know how far away.  As I come 
around corner toward driveway, I always see her running to jump up on 
brick wall in front of parking spot to greet me and then walk with me 
to the kitchen door.


Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries

[WILTON]

Yes, they had mods in the works for the G model wing structure; that one had 
not had the mod.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Cathey" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT B-52 luxuries



Does this indicate that you aren't supposed to intentionally spin a B52?
Don't think I'd want to trust a plane that can't survive a spin. Previous
structural damage does trump all other factors though.


I believe that other factors were paramount in the design, given
the purpose of the thing.


Right wing broke off; aircraft was then uncontrollable.  ;<)))


POS.  They put enough engines on the thing, you'd think maybe
they should have put some spare wings on it too...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

[Barry Stark]

 
Allan -
Just a guess, but hydrazine is used as the fuel for
spacecraft(satellites)because it can be passed over a heated catalyst bed to
change it from a liquid fuel to copious amounts of what you might call coal
gas. In the spacecraft this rapidly expanding gas exits the thruster through
a "rocket" nozzle(a divergent duct)which produces the thrust to move the
spacecraft as desired. As an emergency "fuel" for the airplane this would
provide a means to spin up the emergency turbine without a fuel control or
igniters which are much more complex systems than a simple propellant valve,
basically a solenoid valve, and an otherwise inert catalyst bed with a
simple battery powered heater. So you turn on the heater, simple switch,
then you open the propellant valve, simple switch, and you have an unlimited
source for gas to drive the emergency generator turbine till you run out of
hydrazine. Pretty simple and not much chance that it would fail.

Barry





-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:19 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing...

Why hydrazine to fuel the APU?  Why not a normal auxiliary gas turbine like
the APU on a normal airliner?

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes and blind North Americans

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:10 AM, E M  wrote:
>  I love my old 300E.  It goes quick
> enough for what it is, but fast, it ain't!  All things are relative I guess.

To my mind, there is something to be said for a car that is just fast
enough to allow you to steer with the right foot a little bit through
tight curves, but not so fast that you don't have room to wind the
engine out on the occasional straight.  The 300E nails that sweet
spot.

If the sound of a straight six near the top of its rev range doesn't
put a big grin on your face, you're not a real car guy.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

[Rich Thomas]

Begs the question why the pilot needs to deal with landing after a 
flame-out.  I would think the flight computers could calculate an 
optimal glide path and landing spot once the pilot tells it where it 
needs to be.


--R

On 1/28/2011 12:21 AM, John Reames wrote:

You forgot one VERY important point--F16's are ENTIRELY fly-by-wire.

I've seen it before, btw, and it's way cool.

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Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again

[Rich Thomas]

Baa Baa Black Benz
Have you any wool?
Yessir yessir 3 filters full

--R

On 1/28/2011 10:09 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

Hendrick,

Woger was saying that HIS new MB changes its own oil every 10 k 
miles.  He went on to say his MB put in new fleece filters when it 
changes its own oil.  Fleece is wool.  MB filters have no wool.  The 
MB filters are extended interval, just like the toilet paper filter 
sold years ago for use with or without amsoil.


I was illustrating absurdity with absurdity, but humor is seldom clear 
in email.



Actually I am confused as well. One minute we are talking about 
maintenance intervals and filters in a MB and then you talk about TB 
filters(?) in a Hudson (??).

OK my memory is not he best but perhaps you could elaborate on this?

Hendrik
who thinks there may NEED to be some relationship counseling

Dieselhead wrote:
Ol Woger goes off 'is rocker again.  Can't even remember what 'e's 
talkin about!


> ...Woger just has no sense of humor.  He relly gets mad when you 
point

 out his errors.   But he likes his sheep! ...   and getting
 fleeced.  I guess he forgot about the TP filters he used in his
 hudson...

What in hell are you on about here? Quote the post because I 
rememeber it
when someone else agreed with me and it sailed right over your bald 
pate.


RLE


Only body that agreed with ya was YOU.
Oh Woger, I am not bald, and I don't have a plate in MY head!






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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 380SL speedo Was: 107 CDs online?

[Jim Cathey]

My selection is limited to an old fluke 89, a couple of the $2-3 HF 
throwaways (glovebox meters) and an even older Tek 7844...


Fluke 80 series is good stuff, old or not.  That Tek might
be a bit unwieldy as a garage scope!  (Like I should talk,
my garage scope is a Tek 561A.  Built like a 240D, and even
has mostly tubes in it!)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again

[Dieselhead]

Hendrick,

Woger was saying that HIS new MB changes its own oil every 10 k 
miles.  He went on to say his MB put in new fleece filters when it 
changes its own oil.  Fleece is wool.  MB filters have no wool.  The 
MB filters are extended interval, just like the toilet paper filter 
sold years ago for use with or without amsoil.


I was illustrating absurdity with absurdity, but humor is seldom 
clear in email.



Actually I am confused as well. One minute we are talking about 
maintenance intervals and filters in a MB and then you talk about TB 
filters(?) in a Hudson (??).

OK my memory is not he best but perhaps you could elaborate on this?

Hendrik
who thinks there may NEED to be some relationship counseling

Dieselhead wrote:
Ol Woger goes off 'is rocker again.  Can't even remember what 'e's 
talkin about!



 > ...Woger just has no sense of humor.  He relly gets mad when you point

 out his errors.   But he likes his sheep! ...   and getting
 fleeced.  I guess he forgot about the TP filters he used in his
 hudson...


What in hell are you on about here? Quote the post because I rememeber it
when someone else agreed with me and it sailed right over your bald pate.

RLE


Only body that agreed with ya was YOU.
Oh Woger, I am not bald, and I don't have a plate in MY head!






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Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

[Allan Streib]

Why hydrazine to fuel the APU?  Why not a normal auxiliary gas turbine like the 
APU on a normal airliner?

Allan

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:21 -0500, "John Reames"  wrote:
> You forgot one VERY important point--F16's are ENTIRELY fly-by-wire.
> 
> I've seen it before, btw, and it's way cool.
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes

[Mitch Haley]

Mitch Haley wrote:

John Reames wrote:
If the cradle is factory, it is either integrated with the antenna 
mast, or a combination of patch antennae hidden by the rear bumper and 
the rear defogger lines...


Factory Nokia is my guess. Looks like a MBC-15s/AXF-15 combo, which is 
still often found on UK eBay. I bought one a couple of months ago for £4 
(with shipping) on eBay.uk


The cradle could be non-MBZ, hooked up to the original factory antenna wiring, 
though, couldn't it?


The wheels look like some aftermarket 15" that adsit is selling.
Sort of like an AMG wheel, sort of like a 6 hole W140 wheel:
http://www.adsitco.com/category.asp?CID=1712

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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes

[Mitch Haley]

Earliest 4v diesel MBZ in the US was 124.131 in 1995.
May have been concurrent with 210.020's introduction elsewhere for all I know.

Mitch.

John Reames wrote:
I thought the 210 was only available in W and T, and that the coupe was the 208... Anything else was unobtanium. 


The automatics should be 210.020 (naturally aspirated sedan), 210.025 
(turbo/intercooled sedan), 210.220 (NA wagon, not available in US) and 210.225 
(turbo/IC wagon, not in US)

The 210's were the first passenger car with a 4 valve per cylinder diesel...

I believe that the S classes that were available during the 210 run were the 
140 and the 220. I believe that there may have been an S class with the 
turbo/IC diesel, outside the US, of course...


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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes

[Mitch Haley]

John Reames wrote:

If the cradle is factory, it is either integrated with the antenna mast, or a 
combination of patch antennae hidden by the rear bumper and the rear defogger 
lines...


Factory Nokia is my guess. Looks like a MBC-15s/AXF-15 combo, which is still 
often found on UK eBay. I bought one a couple of months ago for £4 (with 
shipping) on eBay.uk



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Re: [MBZ] Starting your diesel

[Gerry Archer]

Thanks.  Father could never make me understand how an injector worked.
He worked on the Southern RR for 30 years without an accident.  Year after
retirement, as a passenger, he was in a major head-on crash with another 
train
while going to see his brother as a passenger.  I have a picture somewhere 
of

him, his engine, and crew which was probably taken during the 'teens or
'twenties.  His coal-fired engine was probably smaller than this one.
Gerry
-- 

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Rich Thomas
 wrote:

or a steam locomotive -- which is easier?
http://www.sdrm.org/faqs/hostling.html
--R



The version of an Italian tune-up
"Back to the cab. Looped under the fireman's seat is an electrical cord. 
I
uncoil it and drape it over to the wall, and plug it in. I climb up into 
the

cab, open the engineer's seatbox, and remove a trouble light. Plugging it
into an electrical outlet in the cab, I open the firebox door and peer
inside. There is a huge "bone" of unburned carbon in the front of the
firebox, right in front of the burner. Damn. I go out to the tool car (an
old Southern boxcar) and grab a pickaxe and a bucket. Back up in the cab, 
I
hang the trouble light right outside the firebox door, toss the pickaxe 
into

the firebox, and set the bucket on the floor in front of the door. Feet
first, I squeeze into the firebox, feeling for the floor, being careful 
not
to dislodge any of the firebrick if I can help it. Inside, I reach 
outside

for the trouble light, locate the pickaxe, and break up the carboniferous
mass. I toss the loose pieces out the door and into the bucket, and use 
the
light to inspect the firebox, looking for loose or leaky staybolts, 
making

sure the firebrick lining the sides of the firebox is in reasonably good
condition, and checking the burner for obstructions. All I find is a 
couple

of loose bricks, so I replace them, push my tools back out the door, and
climb back out. I look back inside to make sure I didn't leave anything
inside."

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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes and blind North Americans with cats

[John Reames]

Either that or they want to be scratched (or have a place to go to sleep)... 
One of the ones that I attend to likes to curl up in or on one of my quilted 
flannel shirts (it has to be recently worn to be desirable to him...) or 
sitting on my chest (purring loudly enough so as to be clearly heard 2 meters 
away) as I go to sleep... And he is better than 7.5 kilos... (f!)

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On Jan 28, 2011, at 5:01, Hendrik & Fay  wrote:

> Obviously expecting a feed of some nice stuff, they know where the food is 
> kept.
> 
> Hendrik
> who is the slave of one feline called Percy
> 
> WILTON wrote:
>> Cat evidently hears me coming from don't know how far away.  As I come 
>> around corner toward driveway, I always see her running to jump up on brick 
>> wall in front of parking spot to greet me and then walk with me to the 
>> kitchen door.
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes

[John Reames]

If the cradle is factory, it is either integrated with the antenna mast, or a 
combination of patch antennae hidden by the rear bumper and the rear defogger 
lines...


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On Jan 26, 2011, at 12:04, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>> 1. Its a 210.
>> 2. The steering wheel is on the wrong side!  (Sorry, couldn't resist).
> 
> The seat covers are a bit silly.
> The gauges read in English units. What gauge cluster would a 1998 Aussie car 
> have?
> The Nokia cradle in on the passenger side. Maybe the driver controls it with 
> a bluetooth headset?
> Speaking of which, where's the antenna for the cell phone cradle?
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes

[John Reames]

I thought the 210 was only available in W and T, and that the coupe was the 
208... Anything else was unobtanium. 

The automatics should be 210.020 (naturally aspirated sedan), 210.025 
(turbo/intercooled sedan), 210.220 (NA wagon, not available in US) and 210.225 
(turbo/IC wagon, not in US)

The 210's were the first passenger car with a 4 valve per cylinder diesel...

I believe that the S classes that were available during the 210 run were the 
140 and the 220. I believe that there may have been an S class with the 
turbo/IC diesel, outside the US, of course...
-j.

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On Jan 25, 2011, at 23:21, E M  wrote:

> We had diesels here in Canada.
> 
> Ed
> 300E
> 
> On 25 January 2011 23:08, Hendrik & Fay  wrote:
> 
>> I liked the 210 when it first came out but now I am not so sure, the back
>> end is a bit bland, I still like the front end but the interior is not as
>> nice as a 124.
>> And I am pretty sure they never brought out a S210 with Diesel engine.
>> 
>> Hendrik
>> who still misses his W123, especially after driving the mao beast
>> 
>> 
>> OK Don wrote:
>> 
>>> The only thing wrong with it is that you haven't brought it home for Fay
>>> to
>>> drive yet --
>>> You might want to check the front spring upper mounts ---
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Hendrik & Fay >>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 
 http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/MERCEDES/E300/details.aspx?R=8574713
 what's wrong with this?
 
 Hendrik
 --
 
 
 
>>> OK Don
>>> 2001 ML320
>>> 1992 300D 2.5T
>>> 1990 300D 2.5T
>>> 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 380SL speedo Was: 107 CDs online?

[John Reames]

My selection is limited to an old fluke 89, a couple of the $2-3 HF throwaways 
(glovebox meters) and an even older Tek 7844...

I don't think anyone really needs anything *that* potent, but there are a nice 
selection of used scopes out there, and many of the analog ones are very 
serviceable and repairable... And inexpensive to boot. (b&k, hp and tek are all 
good)

Before buying anything, make sure you can get manuals and such.  There is a 
TekScopes yahoo group, and there is a site called BAMA (Boat Anchor Manual 
Archive; http://bama.edebris.com)

I will probably need to replace all of the (wet) tantalum electrolytic 
capacitors in another couple of years, as they are known to develop high ESR...

There should not be a minimum RPM, but there will be a maximum voltage.  The HE 
sensor may look like a resistor in series with a diode; that is, they may have 
a distinct polarity, so try the meter both ways.

I've seen some of the boards develop cracked solder joints, especially where 
the device contains the HE sensor and the motor, like in so many W210 and W208 
assemblies.

-j.

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On Jan 25, 2011, at 19:21, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And cheaper than a $5000 fluke...
> 
> But I won't have either.  I do have a selection of multimeters, from analog 
> to digital.  All I am looking for is some sign of life from the sender.  
> (which I believe will be an on/off short to ground as the output shaft 
> turns.)   Is there some minimum speed needed for the "hall effect" to work?   
> Maybe I should be measuring resistance to ground, with the + probe hooked to 
> B+?
> 
> 
>>> No. Nearly all multimeters will average the inputs, giving you a relatively 
>>> constant reading.
>> 
>> They can all act quite different as you start to push
>> the envelope.  One set on AC might give you some kind
>> of variable reading, which might be enough to prove
>> that something was there.  Better would be one (like
>> my Flukes) that could measure the frequency of the
>> waveform, even it it was confused about the voltage.
>> A true RMS meter would probably give you an accurate
>> reading, but what is the reference?  Then you have to
>> know the waveform, and what its RMS voltage should be.
>> A non-true-RMS meter usually measures the peak voltage,
>> and applies a correction factor for sine waves; that
>> could work too but...  A 'scope is simpler!
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again

[Hendrik & Fay]

Actually I am confused as well. One minute we are talking about 
maintenance intervals and filters in a MB and then you talk about TB 
filters(?) in a Hudson (??).

OK my memory is not he best but perhaps you could elaborate on this?

Hendrik
who thinks there may NEED to be some relationship counseling

Dieselhead wrote:
Ol Woger goes off 'is rocker again.  Can't even remember what 'e's 
talkin about!


 > ...Woger just has no sense of humor.  He relly gets mad when you 
point

 out his errors.   But he likes his sheep! ...   and getting
 fleeced.  I guess he forgot about the TP filters he used in his
 hudson...

What in hell are you on about here? Quote the post because I 
rememeber it
when someone else agreed with me and it sailed right over your bald 
pate.


RLE


Only body that agreed with ya was YOU.
Oh Woger, I am not bald, and I don't have a plate in MY head!




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Re: [MBZ] Irish Mercedes and blind North Americans with cats

[Hendrik & Fay]

Obviously expecting a feed of some nice stuff, they know where the food 
is kept.


Hendrik
who is the slave of one feline called Percy

WILTON wrote:
Cat evidently hears me coming from don't know how far away.  As I come 
around corner toward driveway, I always see her running to jump up on 
brick wall in front of parking spot to greet me and then walk with me 
to the kitchen door.


Wilton




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