[MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
But Bev would be heart broken! To play devil's advocate for Lacy, the NO said it was the first time he has done a referral to BELS. It wasn't clear from the article, but if the history was unclear (submitted by the HOA does not necessarily imply money was not exchanged) when he got the document, and it wasn't stamped, then it could have been reasonable to refer to the board of engineering since the HOA may well have been defrauded. (Of course now we that we know the story it sounds like it wasn't, so no doubt BELS' investigation will be nice and easy.) What I don't understand is why everyone has been assuming the document itself will not be considered. The history doesn't add or remove value, at least as to whether a complaint to the government has validity. Did Lacy say the document would not be considered? (Not that I think of NCDOT as a shining beacon of rationality, but so far it seems everyone else has made the illogical leap and I don't see where DOT did.) -Tim On Feb 4, 2011 11:08 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 00:39:36 -0500 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: (I've also been slipping in some things like Isn't 13+14 the same as 13 +4+10?... mainly as a way of speeding up mental arithmetic) Good idea. go across the lake pontchartrain causeway, abusing a gps for elevation... Yep, that is exactly WHY I would use that as an example... It's just a little far from Baltimore. How about from Fort Story near Virginia Beach over Highway 13 to Fishermans Island National Wildlife Refuge? That's a lot closer to Baltimore. The bridge is about 15 miles long and, IIRC, six miles over water will show an effect. I've also shown him that if you carefully fill a level container with water, you can have the water go above the top of the container without spilling. An then it's only a short step to Archimedes' Eureka moment ... What I ended up doing is shining a laser pointer through the line at an angle; if the line were filled with air, the beam would not be (significantly) refracted, but if fuel was in the line... Refraction! Wonderful idea! I just bought new lines ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines
From: okd...@gmail.com How old is this Buick? Does it have a 2 circuit brake system or one? If one - I'd be more conservative with the repair. If two - and the line splice lets go, you'll still have some braking. On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I would not splice a brake line. It is a 1996 w/ABS. It uses metric lines which have bubble flares (basically an unfinished double flare). I have decided to put in two couplings under the drivers door sill. I bought a 25 foot length of 3/16 steel tubing, so if I screw some up in bending it, I will have plenty more. If it was a restoration, or something mint that I wanted to keep unmolested, I would run them full length. It is my gf's daily beater, not a trailer queen. (yeah, I know, she needs a Benz) I was driving the car when the brakes failed (rears) and it was still quite drivable, with no unpleasant feelings of not being able to stop. I have Akebonos with new rotors on the front, maybe that helps. I have attached a couple of pictures of how the under hood brake lines look. The dang car was built around them, or so it seems. Rick -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0362.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 698293 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20110205/351c3891/attachment.jpe -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0363.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1198464 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20110205/351c3891/attachment-0001.jpe ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines
I agree with Mitch that a proper flare connected with the proper fitting should be perfectly reliable. Here is a possible alternative. We use these Swagelok fittings all the time on both pressure and vacuum systems in many aerospace applications. I found fittings here for 6mm but not sure just what size brake lines are. The particular fitting I found here is stainless steel but they are also available in brass and carbon steel. These fittings do tend to be a bit pricey. I would personally have no issues using one of these but I would check first with an application engineer before I used one for your purpose just to make sure. These fitting are different than most common compression fittings in that they distort the end of the tubing a bit so that the fitting cannot slip off. Barry http://www.swagelok.com/search/find_products_home.aspx?part=SS-6M0-6item=20 b6dcb5-5a04-42f1-9df7-a5d3fd3672c3 The Swagelok medium-pressure tube fittings offer a leak-tight gas seal and vibration resistance in applications up to 15 000 psig (1034 bar). 316 stainless steel specs. Up to 15 000 psig (1034 bar) Up to 1000°F (537°C) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
I'll look into that! -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 6, 2011, at 10:31, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 00:39:36 -0500 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: (I've also been slipping in some things like Isn't 13+14 the same as 13 +4+10?... mainly as a way of speeding up mental arithmetic) Good idea. go across the lake pontchartrain causeway, abusing a gps for elevation... Yep, that is exactly WHY I would use that as an example... It's just a little far from Baltimore. How about from Fort Story near Virginia Beach over Highway 13 to Fishermans Island National Wildlife Refuge? That's a lot closer to Baltimore. The bridge is about 15 miles long and, IIRC, six miles over water will show an effect. I've also shown him that if you carefully fill a level container with water, you can have the water go above the top of the container without spilling. An then it's only a short step to Archimedes' Eureka moment ... What I ended up doing is shining a laser pointer through the line at an angle; if the line were filled with air, the beam would not be (significantly) refracted, but if fuel was in the line... Refraction! Wonderful idea! I just bought new lines ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines
I've used hundreds of Swage-Loc fittings over the years, and they are as subject to fatigue failures and extrusion failures as any compression fitting. Better than most, as they require less pressure to seat correctly, but all the other caveats apply. The worst problem with them is incorrect use -- you must NOT seat the tubing in the bottom of the fitting before tightening initially, or you WILL expand the end. Then, when you need to take it apart, the tubing is swaged into the fitting and won't come out. You can also get into the situation where the fitting is not sealing on the flange but won't tighten any more, too. Big hassle. The tubing must float in the fitting, the seal is where the point of the tapered cone is collapsed onto the tubing and the side of the cone against the outer taper on the fitting. If the tubing is flared on the end, it was improperly installed. I have persistent problems with leakage on some high pressure pumps using tapered compression fittings -- the line inside the fitting gradually collapses. I also see quite a few stress corrosion failures on copper gas lines, although I would expect less trouble in a brake system -- better materials and far less flexing. Brake lines are fairly unique in the fittings world -- they are subject to very high pressure fluctuations, which is NOT the normal situation, and those pressure can be quite high (less so with anti- lock brakes, but still high). The pressure cycling is bad news for any compression fitting. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
Your interpretation could be correct, but I read it as the DOT didn't like its own conclusions being challenged and they have found a technicality that lets them disregard the appeal, as well as slap the hand of the person who submitted it. Allan On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 09:16 -0500, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: But Bev would be heart broken! To play devil's advocate for Lacy, the NO said it was the first time he has done a referral to BELS. It wasn't clear from the article, but if the history was unclear (submitted by the HOA does not necessarily imply money was not exchanged) when he got the document, and it wasn't stamped, then it could have been reasonable to refer to the board of engineering since the HOA may well have been defrauded. (Of course now we that we know the story it sounds like it wasn't, so no doubt BELS' investigation will be nice and easy.) What I don't understand is why everyone has been assuming the document itself will not be considered. The history doesn't add or remove value, at least as to whether a complaint to the government has validity. Did Lacy say the document would not be considered? (Not that I think of NCDOT as a shining beacon of rationality, but so far it seems everyone else has made the illogical leap and I don't see where DOT did.) -Tim On Feb 4, 2011 11:08 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines
On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:12 -0800, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I was driving the car when the brakes failed (rears) and it was still quite drivable, with no unpleasant feelings of not being able to stop. I have Akebonos with new rotors on the front, maybe that helps. Wow that's quite a different experience than I had when I was driving an '87 Toyota pickup when a rusted rear brake line blew out. Pedal went to the floor, luckily I got some braking action at the very bottom of the travel but it was definitely quite unpleasant. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines
I agree with Barry and Peter, that properly used swagelock fittings are good, but differ slightly with Barry about compression fittings. A properly seated compression fitting does swage the tubing where the collar is, making it slightly smaller, with the effect that the tail is slightly larger than the collar. Technically not a flare, but producing the same effect. It depends on the application, but on the rear circuit of a dual circuit vehicle, I would not worry about a compression fitting. Ever drive without rear brakes? Not much difference without the rears on a car or light truck. I have seen the number but I don't remember it for sure, but from recollection something like 80% of braking is done on the front axle of the generic car. I agree with Mitch that a proper flare connected with the proper fitting should be perfectly reliable. Here is a possible alternative. We use these Swagelok fittings all the time on both pressure and vacuum systems in many aerospace applications. I found fittings here for 6mm but not sure just what size brake lines are. The particular fitting I found here is stainless steel but they are also available in brass and carbon steel. These fittings do tend to be a bit pricey. I would personally have no issues using one of these but I would check first with an application engineer before I used one for your purpose just to make sure. These fitting are different than most common compression fittings in that they distort the end of the tubing a bit so that the fitting cannot slip off. Barry http://www.swagelok.com/search/find_products_home.aspx?part=SS-6M0-6item=20 b6dcb5-5a04-42f1-9df7-a5d3fd3672c3 The Swagelok medium-pressure tube fittings offer a leak-tight gas seal and vibration resistance in applications up to 15 000 psig (1034 bar). 316 stainless steel specs. Up to 15 000 psig (1034 bar) Up to 1000°F (537°C) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 313 mpg car
Volkswagen's amazing 300mpg-plus XL1 two-seater diesel/electric hybrid is a supercar where mpg matters more than mph. - Imagine a different sort of supercar; small, lightweight, with the titchiest, most parsimonious engine. Not fast, but packing the aeronautical spirit of the 1929 Burney Streamliner, Buckminster Fuller's 1933 Dymaxion and the 1937 Mercedes Avus Stromlinie. That's VW's 21st-century streamliner, the XL1, honed not for speed but to achieve an astonishing 313mpg. And if this supercar's performance isn't in the Ferrari or Bugatti league, then imagine which would attract most attention parked outside the Hotel de Paris in Monaco...lsnip http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufacturers/volkswagen/8293372/Volkswagen-XL1-review.html I want one. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] a car for zippy or mao
Original Message Subject:1987 Mercedes Diesel - $3900 (60631) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:36:54 -0800 (PST) From: okieb...@striplin.net To: okieb...@striplin.net okieb...@striplin.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/2194607794.html to contact the person who posted this. -- 1987 Mercedes Diesel Date: 2011-02-02, 10:42PM rare 300TDT wagon 150K no rust runs great $3900 no email no text no BS call and talk thanks, Les 847 275 6947 * Location: 60631 * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/2194607794.html -- /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: / http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18xODEzMDE4MSWAkB6N33eEsIjOuUQgDHtwUgmpnk4yHYKIMo8zDwAb4vxast7VygPJSV_FNXkfeA -- -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3425 - Release Date: 02/05/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3425 - Release Date: 02/05/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a car for zippy or mao
...eh... its a W124... find the exact car, different year, W123 - I'm interested. thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines
The issue regarding splice a new short length in to an existing line is that the remainder of the line is old and will be more liable to suffer age fatigue. Where's the line gonna break? - in the old line area, not the new splice area or unions, I would guess. Replace the entire line and forget the meandering dialog about double compression, compression, swagelok, etc. unions. More difficult? - yes, but the job would be done by now afer 4 days of dialog about which fitting, etc. OTOH, I would prolly splice new short in to old system... like Mitch or was it Allan sez... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines
On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 08:28:18 -0800 Barry Stark barryst...@verizon.net wrote: I agree with Mitch that a proper flare connected with the proper fitting should be perfectly reliable. Here is a possible alternative. We use these Swagelok fittings all the time on both pressure and vacuum systems in many aerospace applications. Yes, of course! Swagelok fittings! I've used them many times before. They are the right thing for the job. They come in both inch and metric. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a car for zippy or mao
Ahh come on Dan, buy it and store it for the next time we come a visiting. Hendrik with an uncool 124 Mountain Man wrote: ...eh... its a W124... find the exact car, different year, W123 - I'm interested. thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines
Far as I remember brake systems work on a two circuit design, front and rear, so if one goes you still have the other. Hendrik who recently recently serviced/overhauled the brake system in the TE Allan Streib wrote: On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:12 -0800, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I was driving the car when the brakes failed (rears) and it was still quite drivable, with no unpleasant feelings of not being able to stop. I have Akebonos with new rotors on the front, maybe that helps. Wow that's quite a different experience than I had when I was driving an '87 Toyota pickup when a rusted rear brake line blew out. Pedal went to the floor, luckily I got some braking action at the very bottom of the travel but it was definitely quite unpleasant. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 313 mpg car
Gerry Archer wrote: Volkswagen's amazing 300mpg-plus XL1 two-seater diesel/electric hybrid is a supercar where mpg matters more than mph. I want one. I'd like to make get a kit car replica of something old but reasonably aerodynamic, like a Miura or GT40. Or maybe I'll buy the next $1500 Bradley GT I see. Put a brushless motor at each wheel, and power it with a 15-20hp lawnmower diesel running a generator, and enough battery or capacitor to give you at least 100 usable horsepower-minutes of storage. Should hit 125 mpg as easily as a two seat Honda Insight gets 80 mpg. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a car for zippy or mao
I like it, but there isn't money in the budget for a car Luther -- Sent from my Palm Pre On Feb 6, 2011 3:12 PM, Mountain Man lt;maontin@gmail.comgt; wrote: ...eh... its a W124... find the exact car, different year, W123 - I'm interested. thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !!
I think this has been around before – but someone may have missed it - in these times of states finding themselves in deep financial doo-doo, some are turning to super sensitive enforcement of speed-limits as revenue generators – nothing new but perhaps more common? LarryT Subject: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! From: This is interesting. Click on whatever state you want and then it will show the city or towns you want to view, click on which one you want to view. SPEED TRAPS - NO JOKE...CHECK IT OUT! www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/stetlist.asp ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a car for zippy or mao
Luther wrote: I like it, but there isn't money in the budget for a car Is there money in the budget schedule for Gene Jude's? Have you been there, yet? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
I read it as in the...gentleman...was questioning whether it was fraud for a non-engineer to apply engineering principles and use engineering data in a report that was submitted to the NCDoT; that NCDoT (and the citizens of the state (country if FHWA funds are involved)) were the damaged parties. Further, it seemed (to me) that the...gentleman...felt that the preparer of the report could not possibly understand or correctly apply the (mystical?) engineering principles, etc, since he had not been anointed. Since the preparer could not possibly have interpreted anything related to engineering aspects correctly, the report must therefore be flawed and incorrect. (justifying discounting it into nonexistence) IMHO, the only thing that would be more hilarious is if the preparer were a mechanical engineer, and the complaint was that he was inappropriately doing civil engineering... (that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers) -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 6, 2011, at 9:16, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: But Bev would be heart broken! To play devil's advocate for Lacy, the NO said it was the first time he has done a referral to BELS. It wasn't clear from the article, but if the history was unclear (submitted by the HOA does not necessarily imply money was not exchanged) when he got the document, and it wasn't stamped, then it could have been reasonable to refer to the board of engineering since the HOA may well have been defrauded. (Of course now we that we know the story it sounds like it wasn't, so no doubt BELS' investigation will be nice and easy.) What I don't understand is why everyone has been assuming the document itself will not be considered. The history doesn't add or remove value, at least as to whether a complaint to the government has validity. Did Lacy say the document would not be considered? (Not that I think of NCDOT as a shining beacon of rationality, but so far it seems everyone else has made the illogical leap and I don't see where DOT did.) -Tim On Feb 4, 2011 11:08 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:11:55 -0500 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: I read it as in the...gentleman...was questioning whether it was fraud for a non-engineer to apply engineering principles and use engineering data in a report that was submitted to the NCDoT; that NCDoT (and the citizens of the state (country if FHWA funds are involved)) were the damaged parties. Further, it seemed (to me) that the...gentleman...felt that the preparer of the report could not possibly understand or correctly apply the (mystical?) engineering principles, etc, since he had not been anointed. Since the preparer could not possibly have interpreted anything related to engineering aspects correctly, the report must therefore be flawed and incorrect. (justifying discounting it into nonexistence) That's how I read it, too. IMHO, the only thing that would be more hilarious is if the preparer were a mechanical engineer, and the complaint was that he was inappropriately doing civil engineering... (that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers) Having been an electrical type, I never heard that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 313 mpg car
Yup - I've had similar thoughts. It seems the devil is in the controllers. I've also thought that you could glue hard drive magnets to the inside of alloy rims - and make them the motors. Might have to wind a lot of coils, and figure out how to make it start going in the direction you intended it to --- On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Gerry Archer wrote: Volkswagen's amazing 300mpg-plus XL1 two-seater diesel/electric hybrid is a supercar where mpg matters more than mph. I want one. I'd like to make get a kit car replica of something old but reasonably aerodynamic, like a Miura or GT40. Or maybe I'll buy the next $1500 Bradley GT I see. Put a brushless motor at each wheel, and power it with a 15-20hp lawnmower diesel running a generator, and enough battery or capacitor to give you at least 100 usable horsepower-minutes of storage. Should hit 125 mpg as easily as a two seat Honda Insight gets 80 mpg. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a car for zippy or mao
Let's face it, someone who perfers a 123 to a 124 is a Luddite --- or has never driven a 124. On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: Ahh come on Dan, buy it and store it for the next time we come a visiting. Hendrik with an uncool 124 Mountain Man wrote: ...eh... its a W124... find the exact car, different year, W123 - I'm interested. thanks. mao -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
Mechanical engineers build weapons, civil engineers build targets. I think that as long as the non-engineer wasn't paid for the work, it's fine. Although I don't have a EE degree, doesn't make it unlawfull for me to build and operate a radio receiver. I do have an amateur license to operate a transmitter, but not for pay. I don't see why there would be any valid agrument against an amateur civil engineer. On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:11:55 -0500 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: I read it as in the...gentleman...was questioning whether it was fraud for a non-engineer to apply engineering principles and use engineering data in a report that was submitted to the NCDoT; that NCDoT (and the citizens of the state (country if FHWA funds are involved)) were the damaged parties. Further, it seemed (to me) that the...gentleman...felt that the preparer of the report could not possibly understand or correctly apply the (mystical?) engineering principles, etc, since he had not been anointed. Since the preparer could not possibly have interpreted anything related to engineering aspects correctly, the report must therefore be flawed and incorrect. (justifying discounting it into nonexistence) That's how I read it, too. IMHO, the only thing that would be more hilarious is if the preparer were a mechanical engineer, and the complaint was that he was inappropriately doing civil engineering... (that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers) Having been an electrical type, I never heard that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers. Craig -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
In the fairness of full disclosure, I should state that (knocking on wood), my son will graduate as a mechanical engineer this spring --- On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:47 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Mechanical engineers build weapons, civil engineers build targets. I think that as long as the non-engineer wasn't paid for the work, it's fine. Although I don't have a EE degree, doesn't make it unlawfull for me to build and operate a radio receiver. I do have an amateur license to operate a transmitter, but not for pay. I don't see why there would be any valid agrument against an amateur civil engineer. On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:11:55 -0500 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: I read it as in the...gentleman...was questioning whether it was fraud for a non-engineer to apply engineering principles and use engineering data in a report that was submitted to the NCDoT; that NCDoT (and the citizens of the state (country if FHWA funds are involved)) were the damaged parties. Further, it seemed (to me) that the...gentleman...felt that the preparer of the report could not possibly understand or correctly apply the (mystical?) engineering principles, etc, since he had not been anointed. Since the preparer could not possibly have interpreted anything related to engineering aspects correctly, the report must therefore be flawed and incorrect. (justifying discounting it into nonexistence) That's how I read it, too. IMHO, the only thing that would be more hilarious is if the preparer were a mechanical engineer, and the complaint was that he was inappropriately doing civil engineering... (that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers) Having been an electrical type, I never heard that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers. Craig -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 313 mpg car
OK Don wrote: Yup - I've had similar thoughts. It seems the devil is in the controllers. I've also thought that you could glue hard drive magnets to the inside of alloy rims - and make them the motors. Might have to wind a lot of coils, and figure out how to make it start going in the direction you intended it to --- http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240993 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
That's right, Don. The article mentioned nothing about the presenter(s) having claimed to be engineer(s) or having been paid to do engineering work. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing...NOW training/education) Mechanical engineers build weapons, civil engineers build targets. I think that as long as the non-engineer wasn't paid for the work, it's fine. Although I don't have a EE degree, doesn't make it unlawfull for me to build and operate a radio receiver. I do have an amateur license to operate a transmitter, but not for pay. I don't see why there would be any valid agrument against an amateur civil engineer. On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:11:55 -0500 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: I read it as in the...gentleman...was questioning whether it was fraud for a non-engineer to apply engineering principles and use engineering data in a report that was submitted to the NCDoT; that NCDoT (and the citizens of the state (country if FHWA funds are involved)) were the damaged parties. Further, it seemed (to me) that the...gentleman...felt that the preparer of the report could not possibly understand or correctly apply the (mystical?) engineering principles, etc, since he had not been anointed. Since the preparer could not possibly have interpreted anything related to engineering aspects correctly, the report must therefore be flawed and incorrect. (justifying discounting it into nonexistence) That's how I read it, too. IMHO, the only thing that would be more hilarious is if the preparer were a mechanical engineer, and the complaint was that he was inappropriately doing civil engineering... (that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers) Having been an electrical type, I never heard that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers. Craig -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a car for zippy or mao
OK Don wrote: Let's face it, someone who perfers a 123 to a 124 is a Luddite --- or has never driven a 124. And lives on less than a budget and listens to others speak. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
Most states (well, NC, anyway) would then require that your son pass the appropriate Professional Engineering (PE) exam(s), etc., before he could present himself as an engineer for payment, unless working for another PE, of course. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing...NOW training/education) In the fairness of full disclosure, I should state that (knocking on wood), my son will graduate as a mechanical engineer this spring --- On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:47 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Mechanical engineers build weapons, civil engineers build targets. I think that as long as the non-engineer wasn't paid for the work, it's fine. Although I don't have a EE degree, doesn't make it unlawfull for me to build and operate a radio receiver. I do have an amateur license to operate a transmitter, but not for pay. I don't see why there would be any valid agrument against an amateur civil engineer. On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:11:55 -0500 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: I read it as in the...gentleman...was questioning whether it was fraud for a non-engineer to apply engineering principles and use engineering data in a report that was submitted to the NCDoT; that NCDoT (and the citizens of the state (country if FHWA funds are involved)) were the damaged parties. Further, it seemed (to me) that the...gentleman...felt that the preparer of the report could not possibly understand or correctly apply the (mystical?) engineering principles, etc, since he had not been anointed. Since the preparer could not possibly have interpreted anything related to engineering aspects correctly, the report must therefore be flawed and incorrect. (justifying discounting it into nonexistence) That's how I read it, too. IMHO, the only thing that would be more hilarious is if the preparer were a mechanical engineer, and the complaint was that he was inappropriately doing civil engineering... (that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers) Having been an electrical type, I never heard that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers. Craig -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Snowplow
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