Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
> Peter Hertzing wrote: > I'm a little disappointed in what I hearing about mileage. > The vacum and other issues aren't really any different then > what I have delt with in my gasser but I was hoping to get in > the nieghborhood of 28 - 30 MPG. I have a 90 mile round trip > communte with some rolling hills but all at 55 or a little > more MPH. The gearing and torque/boost curve mean 55 MPH (88 km/h) is almost too slow. The turbo cars usually get better fuel mileage at a bit higher speed. 65-70 (105-110 km/h) is often better. If the engine is in good shape - which means chain not stretched, injectors working right, good compression, max boost pressure up to spec., ALDA behaving, no EGR - 28 to 30 is to be expected. But even an stretched chain, mis-matched and low pop pressure injectors, not enough boost wagon can get 24 or 25 MPG. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
know of a good cleaning fluid for the pc boards in the HVAC on these cars? For cleaning before resoldering? I use paint stripper. Perhaps you're talking about a different purpose? -- Jim Cleaning before resoldering. Do you use paste or solvent type paint stripper? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DIY W124 sunroof repair
First thing to do is see if you can move it with the motor. if not, it gets a bit complicated (as does the W126, they are quite similar). If it is reluctant to move, unclip the headliner panel and shove it back -- may have to dislodge the clip on the rear, too. This will let you deternine what the problem is (usually broken lift angles that have the translation bridge cocked and stuck). If you can get the bridge to move back, this is good. If not, remove the roof panel, remove the chrome rails. and then remove the headliner up wards. it will come out the bottom, but it's likely to be bent up, the side rails are very flimsy. From there, get the bridge back up far enough to remove the broken lift angles, replace them (were $95 each ten years ago). If you cannot move the bridge, remove the roof panel and the lift angles. Once the broken bits are out of the way and the cable has been unbolted, you can get the rest of them off the bridge and replace them properly. Getting the roof panel back on is the hard part. I found that since I don't have the factory tool, it was necessary to retract the cable a bit manually so that the roof panel fits up against the gasket at the front properly. If you don't, it won't close or tilt. Have fun! I strongly recommend you do this in garage Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT at the opera tonight
Tonight was Wagner's Lohengrin at the Lyric in Chicago. 5 great voices. The best Lohengrin tenor and best Elsa soprano Mmm, WOW. As much as I hate being able to spit over my neighbor, paying for parking, taking 10 minutes to travel 2 miles (and the toll it takes on my diesel,) I absolutely love being a 20min train ride from one of the finest operas in the world. Luther KB5QHU 300 SDL -- Sent from my Palm Pre ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DIY W124 sunroof repair
Is this the same as a 1989 560 sel? Mins is closed, was when I bought it in Dec. It is down about 1 inch in the back. No water leak, just a lot of noise. What would my next step be? I think the pop-up sunroof (double-acting) is the same. It's reputedly a real bear to work on. If yours doesn't move with the switch, and cleaning fuses, switches, connectors, etc. doesn't get it moving at all, you've got a potentially ugly/expensive problem facing you. Good luck. The non popup roof is easy to DIY, supposedly the other one is not. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
Yup, that's me. Still about 30 mpg, but I cheat -- I drive 35 miles or so in about 50 minutes, over half the distance on winding country roads at 45 mph or so, and the rest at 60 on a nearly flat four lane. I nearly always get better milage than most people in any given vehicle for some reason. This isn't really typical driving for most people. I have 7 stops before I get to town, probably six stops there at 30 mph. I'm also a poky driver these days, believe me, once was enough for getting hit by an 8000 lbs vehicle at 60 mph! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] DIY W124 sunroof repair
Is this the same as a 1989 560 sel? Mins is closed, was when I bought it in Dec. It is down about 1 inch in the back. No water leak, just a lot of noise. What would my next step be? Thanks very much, Bill in WV ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:09:10 -0500 Mitch Haley wrote: > Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > > On the third hand, Peter F. has reported consistently getting better > > than 30 mpg in mixed (i.e. not just freeway) driving in an '87. But > > his car is an outlier, or perhaps he is. ;) > > > > Was it Peter who got creamed by a one ton van in a very nice '87? > Was the 30+mpg in the nice old car or the one he bought to replace it? Yes, I believe it was Peter F. who was in the wreck. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
know of a good cleaning fluid for the pc boards in the HVAC on these cars? For cleaning before resoldering? I use paint stripper. Perhaps you're talking about a different purpose? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Taxi
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:39:11 -0500 Mitch Haley wrote: > You're right that it's not a 240D hubcap, but I think it's a full wheel > cover on a steel wheel. Yup, they look just like the ones my '72 220D/8 (W115) had. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Was it a TDI?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3433645/Elephant-has-sex-with-a-car.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
Thanks, Dan. I'll check at Home Depot. Gerry From: "LWB250" You can by electronic cleaner by companies like CRC at places like Lowes and Home Despot. The best stuff used to be Freon based, but it's all been taken off the market Dan From: Rick Knoble Deoxit. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
LWB250 writes: > You can by electronic cleaner by companies like CRC at places like Lowes and > Home Despot. > > The best stuff used to be Freon based, but it's all been taken off the > market Hm... maybe camping gas? Or propane? Jim C? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300D
Regarding the disappointment that an OM617 diesel will turn in only mid-20s on MPG... it always helps to put it in perspective. a) That's better MPG than you'd get with all but the smallest SUVs and close to what you'd get with any car of equivalent size. b) If you're comparing it to something like a modern VW TDI (40MPG+) you have to consider what you'd spend to get that car, what the insurance would cost you, etc. and how long would it take you to make up the difference on that 12 - 15 extra MPG *at best* that you would get. Assume you drive 15,000 miles/year. At 25 MPG that's 600 gallons. At 40 MPG that's 375 gallons. At 3.75/gallon for diesel that's about $2250 vs. $1,400 per year or $850 savings. For what you'd need to spend to get a 40MPG car I think that would take quite a while to recover. And, in the meantime, are you driving a car you ENJOY??? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
Truck stops used to carry bottles of absolute isopropyl alcohol. I'll check next time in Wildwood. I have several cans of Deoxit Dp5. Is all Deoxit essentially the same? Their website lists several kinds. Thanks, Gerry -- 75% or higher isopropyl rubbing alcohol, aka rubbing alcohol. The 50% stuff will work, but will require much much much more effort to clean as good. Qtips, white cotton rags/paper towels, and a soft/medium toothbrush help as well. Walt --- Deoxit. Rick --- PS: Peter, do you or anyone know of a good cleaning fluid for the pc boards in the HVAC on these cars? Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ***NO MB CONTENT *** DELETE BEFORE READING!!!! Counterfeit Car Maker Cranks Out Porsches and Fauxraris
Wonder what he is gonna do with the 126? Rolls Royce? Hendrik with a real Mercedes...I think Rich Thomas wrote: Gotta love an entrepreneur --R http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/01/st_counterfeitcars/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
You can by electronic cleaner by companies like CRC at places like Lowes and Home Despot. The best stuff used to be Freon based, but it's all been taken off the market Dan --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Rick Knoble wrote: > From: Rick Knoble > Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 7:34 PM > > > PS: Peter, do you or anyone know of a good cleaning > fluid for the pc boards > > in > > the HVAC on these cars? > > Thanks, Gerry > > Deoxit. > > Rick > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
> PS: Peter, do you or anyone know of a good cleaning fluid for the pc boards > in > the HVAC on these cars? > Thanks, Gerry Deoxit. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ***NO MB CONTENT *** DELETE BEFORE READING!!!! Counterfeit Car Maker Cranks Out Porsches and Fauxraris
Gotta love an entrepreneur --R http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/01/st_counterfeitcars/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
75% or higher isopropyl rubbing alcohol, aka rubbing alcohol. The 50% stuff will work, but will require much much much more effort to clean as good. Qtips, white cotton rags/paper towels, and a soft/medium toothbrush help as well. Walt On Feb 25, 2011 4:59 PM, "Peter Hertzing" wrote: > I don't but maybe someone else does... > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: > >> My '83 300D gets combined road and city 27 mpg. Indy says it has a very >> good engine, so that might account for the mpg. On the interstate several >> years >> ago it also got around 27-28 mpg at 65 mph. >> Gerry >> >> PS: Peter, do you or anyone know of a good cleaning fluid for the pc >> boards in >> the HVAC on these cars? >> Thanks, Gerry >> >> - >> >> From: "Peter Hertzing" >> >>> I'm a little disappointed in what I hearing about mileage. The vacum and >>> >>> other issues aren't really any different then what I have delt with in my >>> gasser but I was hoping to get in the nieghborhood of 28 - 30 MPG. I have >>> a >>> 90 mile round trip communte with some rolling hills but all at 55 or a >>> little more MPH. >>> >>> Thanks- >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Jim Cathey >>> wrote: >>> >>> I forgot to mention that the cruise control and HVAC system may both be semi- or fully-dysfunctional. That's getting to be normal at this age, and needn't be a huge problem. Helps if you can solder! The vacuum locking system will probably be having some problems too, it's almost a given. Also not too expensive to deal with, just time-consuming. You'll need a MityVac. If the engine runs well, and the tranny is behaving itself, and the cosmetics are acceptable, the rest is 'easy'! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
I don't but maybe someone else does... On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: > My '83 300D gets combined road and city 27 mpg. Indy says it has a very > good engine, so that might account for the mpg. On the interstate several > years > ago it also got around 27-28 mpg at 65 mph. > Gerry > > PS: Peter, do you or anyone know of a good cleaning fluid for the pc > boards in > the HVAC on these cars? > Thanks, Gerry > > - > > From: "Peter Hertzing" > >> I'm a little disappointed in what I hearing about mileage. The vacum and >> >> other issues aren't really any different then what I have delt with in my >> gasser but I was hoping to get in the nieghborhood of 28 - 30 MPG. I have >> a >> 90 mile round trip communte with some rolling hills but all at 55 or a >> little more MPH. >> >> Thanks- >> >> Peter >> >> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Jim Cathey >> wrote: >> >> I forgot to mention that the cruise control and HVAC >>> system may both be semi- or fully-dysfunctional. That's >>> getting to be normal at this age, and needn't be a huge >>> problem. Helps if you can solder! The vacuum locking >>> system will probably be having some problems too, it's >>> almost a given. Also not too expensive to deal with, just >>> time-consuming. You'll need a MityVac. >>> >>> If the engine runs well, and the tranny is behaving itself, >>> and the cosmetics are acceptable, the rest is 'easy'! >>> >>> >>> -- Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
My '83 300D gets combined road and city 27 mpg. Indy says it has a very good engine, so that might account for the mpg. On the interstate several years ago it also got around 27-28 mpg at 65 mph. Gerry PS: Peter, do you or anyone know of a good cleaning fluid for the pc boards in the HVAC on these cars? Thanks, Gerry - From: "Peter Hertzing" I'm a little disappointed in what I hearing about mileage. The vacum and other issues aren't really any different then what I have delt with in my gasser but I was hoping to get in the nieghborhood of 28 - 30 MPG. I have a 90 mile round trip communte with some rolling hills but all at 55 or a little more MPH. Thanks- Peter On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: I forgot to mention that the cruise control and HVAC system may both be semi- or fully-dysfunctional. That's getting to be normal at this age, and needn't be a huge problem. Helps if you can solder! The vacuum locking system will probably be having some problems too, it's almost a given. Also not too expensive to deal with, just time-consuming. You'll need a MityVac. If the engine runs well, and the tranny is behaving itself, and the cosmetics are acceptable, the rest is 'easy'! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
I think that Dave M. had one of his fine 124 cars give it's life to save his several years ago, maybe that's who your are thinking of. -Max From: Mitch Haley To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 2:09:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On the third hand, Peter F. has reported consistently getting better > than 30 mpg in mixed (i.e. not just freeway) driving in an '87. But > his car is an outlier, or perhaps he is. ;) > Was it Peter who got creamed by a one ton van in a very nice '87? Was the 30+mpg in the nice old car or the one he bought to replace it? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
A 190D 2.2l 5spd is the mileage maker, best I got with mine was 43mpg, averaged more like 38 over about 90,000 miles. Ours (2.5) has seen 42 a couple of times, but usually less. It's in storage (if you can call outside 'storage') right now because we just don't really like the car, but as I know high fuel prices are coming sooner or later I've kept it anyway. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
you can hope,...;-) i think that's high, based on what i see most people around here in similar cars getting. there are lots of variables, but count on low/mid 20s, and you're less likely to be disappointed. cheers! e On 25/Feb/11 07:53, Peter Hertzing wrote: I was hoping to get in the nieghborhood of 28 - 30 MPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
Alex Chamberlain wrote: On the third hand, Peter F. has reported consistently getting better than 30 mpg in mixed (i.e. not just freeway) driving in an '87. But his car is an outlier, or perhaps he is. ;) Was it Peter who got creamed by a one ton van in a very nice '87? Was the 30+mpg in the nice old car or the one he bought to replace it? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Max Dillon wrote: > I would imagine that limiting highway speed to 60 mph would return 30 mpg in > my > wagon The best mileage I've ever gotten in either of the two '87 300Ds I've owned was 31 mpg with the cruise control set at 75 on a virtually flat highway, little wind, ambient temperatures about 50 degrees, climate control set on "economy." (It was autumn and I was driving from Vancouver, BC to Seattle.) On the other hand, the wagon is, I believe, slightly more aerodynamic, as wagons usually are. On the third hand, Peter F. has reported consistently getting better than 30 mpg in mixed (i.e. not just freeway) driving in an '87. But his car is an outlier, or perhaps he is. ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
Then you want a 240D, with 45 miles of mostly highway running I got my '83 240D to do 32mpg a couple times when I kept myself to no more than 65mph. I suspect if you could keep a constant 55mph on fairly flat ground you might go to 35mpg but that'd be a stretch. I averaged right on 28mpg with that over about 50,000 miles. You have to remember these are fairly large OLD heavy cars built on day-before-yesterday's technology. They're inexpensive to buy and not all that hard to keep going (I drove a $400 240D 25,000 miles remember) but super fuel efficient they are not. A 190D 2.2l 5spd is the mileage maker, best I got with mine was 43mpg, averaged more like 38 over about 90,000 miles. -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:53:47 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm a little disappointed in what I hearing about mileage. The vacum and other issues aren't really any different then what I have delt with in my gasser but I was hoping to get in the nieghborhood of 28 - 30 MPG. I have a 90 mile round trip communte with some rolling hills but all at 55 or a little more MPH. Thanks- Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] waxed glass
Field report: no problems at all driving at night in rain with wax on my windshield. No problems this a.m. driving in sunlight + light rain. -Max From: "relng...@aol.com" To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 10:37:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] waxed glass > OK List Folk, is there someone here who does advocate waxing car > windows?.. > OK. There is nothing wrong with waxing all the glass except the windshield which would be foolish. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
Peter, You won't know what kind of mileage the car will return until you drive it, but it almost certainly could fall between 25 and 30 mpg on a highway commute at 55 mph or so, and I think it possibly could do better if all the planets align. Remember that diesel fuel is more expensive than premium fuel right now, and I don't think that will change for the foreseeable future, until the world economy goes off a cliff again. The '83 300D model is capable of decent mileage at 55 to 60 mph, but there seems to be lots of variation between models and mileage is also affected by how people drive. I think that the condition of the injectors, the injection pump, the injection pump timing, the timing chain, the valve adjustment, and the quality of the fuel all come into play. Some of these variables you can affect for little cost or no cost, some will be expensive to 'fix' and the ROI in terms of fuel savings won't justify the cost (for instance $500 or more to get the injection pump calibrated to realize a 2 mpg or 3 mpg improvement). So you may want to find a newer MB to get better mileage, like a 190D (1984 to 1988?) or a 300D 2.5 (1990 to 1993?) or an E300 (1994, 95?). A 240D with a manual transmission would be an excellent choice as well. My '87 300TD gets 26 mpg around town, and 28 mpg going 70+ mph on the freeway. My '95 E300 gets 26 in town and 31 on the freeway. I had an '85 190D with five speed manual transmission; at 60 mph it returned 41 mpg _once_; most of the time it got about 36 or 37 mpg because I drove faster. I would imagine that limiting highway speed to 60 mph would return 30 mpg in my wagon and 34 mpg or better in the E300. If my wife were driving, the mileage drops by 20% or more, as she does lots of in-town short trips and also likes to use the car as an office (sitting and idling in a parking lot while making calls or sending email). -Max From: Peter Hertzing To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 12:21:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D Yea - but I gotta justify the purchase with saving some green on fuel costs.. My wife is watching these email exchanges at home right now calculating which other needs to go. I've the bug alright. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Max Dillon wrote: > Peter - you've been bitten by the diesel bug and the pathogen has already > spread > through your bloodstream to all vital organs, don't resist, don't try to > fight > it. You will have no rest until you buy one, so just go give the man his > money... > > > -Max > (bought and sold two, currently own two, but still watching Craigs list) > > > > From: Mitch Haley > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 11:45:05 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D > > Peter Hertzing wrote: > > I'm a little disappointed in what I hearing about mileage. The vacum and > > other issues aren't really any different then what I have delt with in my > > gasser but I was hoping to get in the nieghborhood of 28 - 30 MPG. I > have a > > 90 mile round trip communte with some rolling hills but all at 55 or a > > little more MPH. > > If I drive my W116 600 miles at 65-80mph, I get 28mpg. That includes > crossing > every mountain between Georgia and Michigan. 1983 300D has a smaller > chassis and > the same gearing, along with a different camshaft. 30mpg might be possible > at > 55 with careful driving, few stops, and perfect tuning. OTOH, if you get a > dog, > 25mpg is possible too. > > Mitch. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wax?
Not very do-able in Winnipeg these days. Minus 30 this morning. Even automatic car washes give up and close when it gets too cold. I ran my truck through on Wednesday as it was only minus 15 or so and it would sit in the sun long enough to dry out and not freeze solid. That is the best time to wash in winter as it then stays clean for a bit until the weather again warms up enough to make the roads messy. Randy On 23/02/2011 8:49 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: What's an automatic car wash? Do they automate the people running the hose?? Hehe. I'll take a bucket and car soap any day. Cheaper, cleaner, and no nasty crap left over. The one time I remember going through one of those "touchless" washes, it sprayed the entire car with this red,green,blue glop crap after the wash, let it sit for half a minute, sprayed it off, then air-knifed everything dry. Windows were streaky for a while... Walt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Valet lock
Hello Allan I dunno about the W116, but I do know about the W123 valet lock. It is a keyway and a key - nothing else. The valet key will not unlock the trunk. Will unlock the driver's door and the ignition key switch. Keyway on driver's door and ignition lock are wedge-shaped, wider at the entry than at the tip, and may appear quite worn. They're not. They're made that way. Keyway on trunk is narrow and fits the regular key. Valet key will not enter it. Lock the trunk with the regular key, give the valet the valet key. He can't unlock the trunk. He can of course break in. He can lock/unlock the driver's door and the ignition key switch. Hope this is of some use. It is all true. I found out by doing my homework the hard way. I have a valet key for my car, bought from the Benzes, and it wasn't easy to do that. It's somewhere. REB >Message: 9 >Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:23:33 -0500 >From: "Allan Streib" >Subject: [MBZ] valet lock? > >OK so the guy with the W116 300SD says he has set the "valet lock" on the >trunk... and there is some magic combination needed to unlock it now. Anyone >know what that is? He thought it might be left-right-right ??? Not a feature >I'm familiar with. > >Allan >-- >1983 300D > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
Yea - but I gotta justify the purchase with saving some green on fuel costs.. My wife is watching these email exchanges at home right now calculating which other needs to go. I've the bug alright. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Max Dillon wrote: > Peter - you've been bitten by the diesel bug and the pathogen has already > spread > through your bloodstream to all vital organs, don't resist, don't try to > fight > it. You will have no rest until you buy one, so just go give the man his > money... > > > -Max > (bought and sold two, currently own two, but still watching Craigs list) > > > > From: Mitch Haley > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 11:45:05 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D > > Peter Hertzing wrote: > > I'm a little disappointed in what I hearing about mileage. The vacum and > > other issues aren't really any different then what I have delt with in my > > gasser but I was hoping to get in the nieghborhood of 28 - 30 MPG. I > have a > > 90 mile round trip communte with some rolling hills but all at 55 or a > > little more MPH. > > If I drive my W116 600 miles at 65-80mph, I get 28mpg. That includes > crossing > every mountain between Georgia and Michigan. 1983 300D has a smaller > chassis and > the same gearing, along with a different camshaft. 30mpg might be possible > at > 55 with careful driving, few stops, and perfect tuning. OTOH, if you get a > dog, > 25mpg is possible too. > > Mitch. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
Peter - you've been bitten by the diesel bug and the pathogen has already spread through your bloodstream to all vital organs, don't resist, don't try to fight it. You will have no rest until you buy one, so just go give the man his money... -Max (bought and sold two, currently own two, but still watching Craigs list) From: Mitch Haley To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 11:45:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D Peter Hertzing wrote: > I'm a little disappointed in what I hearing about mileage. The vacum and > other issues aren't really any different then what I have delt with in my > gasser but I was hoping to get in the nieghborhood of 28 - 30 MPG. I have a > 90 mile round trip communte with some rolling hills but all at 55 or a > little more MPH. If I drive my W116 600 miles at 65-80mph, I get 28mpg. That includes crossing every mountain between Georgia and Michigan. 1983 300D has a smaller chassis and the same gearing, along with a different camshaft. 30mpg might be possible at 55 with careful driving, few stops, and perfect tuning. OTOH, if you get a dog, 25mpg is possible too. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
Peter Hertzing wrote: I'm a little disappointed in what I hearing about mileage. The vacum and other issues aren't really any different then what I have delt with in my gasser but I was hoping to get in the nieghborhood of 28 - 30 MPG. I have a 90 mile round trip communte with some rolling hills but all at 55 or a little more MPH. If I drive my W116 600 miles at 65-80mph, I get 28mpg. That includes crossing every mountain between Georgia and Michigan. 1983 300D has a smaller chassis and the same gearing, along with a different camshaft. 30mpg might be possible at 55 with careful driving, few stops, and perfect tuning. OTOH, if you get a dog, 25mpg is possible too. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Taxi
Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: W126 with 240D wheels: http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/2220575228.html Look close; there's a turbine sort of pattern to the spokes around what appears to be the "hubcap." They're actually Centras or some such early-'80s aftermarket alloy wheel with the center portion painted. You're right that it's not a 240D hubcap, but I think it's a full wheel cover on a steel wheel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Republican radio has a change of heart
It might have become a lesbian too. --R On 2/24/2011 9:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: You might remember that the Monza in my '78 240D hated NPR and would frequently switch to another station. Yesterday while I was diagnosing the vacuum system on the car I was listening to WGBH which is sort of old school NPR and suddenly, inexplicably the radio switched to VPR which is VERMONT Public Radio, pretty much the liberalest of liberal media... Apparently my radio has switched sides. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT computer problem
I use a service that lets me into government databases for land titles etc. Unfortunaetly it is a bit of a dinosaur I guess. I let Java update itself to jre6u24 and that caused problems. The applet won't load. The help desk tells me, just uninstall that and revert to the previous version which is jre6u23 and all should be well. Did that but it still does not work. Neither Explorer nor Firefox seems able to see Java. Anyone have ideas? We have uninstalled and reinstalled various versions of Java and nothing seems to change the fact that it does not show up in the browers. I spent about 3 hours on the phone with a fellow on the help desk at IBM yesterday without success. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
I'm a little disappointed in what I hearing about mileage. The vacum and other issues aren't really any different then what I have delt with in my gasser but I was hoping to get in the nieghborhood of 28 - 30 MPG. I have a 90 mile round trip communte with some rolling hills but all at 55 or a little more MPH. Thanks- Peter On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: > I forgot to mention that the cruise control and HVAC > system may both be semi- or fully-dysfunctional. That's > getting to be normal at this age, and needn't be a huge > problem. Helps if you can solder! The vacuum locking > system will probably be having some problems too, it's > almost a given. Also not too expensive to deal with, just > time-consuming. You'll need a MityVac. > > If the engine runs well, and the tranny is behaving itself, > and the cosmetics are acceptable, the rest is 'easy'! > > > -- Jim > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
I forgot to mention that the cruise control and HVAC system may both be semi- or fully-dysfunctional. That's getting to be normal at this age, and needn't be a huge problem. Helps if you can solder! The vacuum locking system will probably be having some problems too, it's almost a given. Also not too expensive to deal with, just time-consuming. You'll need a MityVac. If the engine runs well, and the tranny is behaving itself, and the cosmetics are acceptable, the rest is 'easy'! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1983 300D
1. How shoudl I go about starting it? Freshly-charged battery of the right size. Make sure glow plugs are glowing. Start normally. Unless gunked up with algae, these things can sit happily for a long time and start right up, I think the Frankenheap had about 10 years on it when I got it. I drove it to the gas station to get more fuel, diesels are nice that way. 2. If it is good, what kind of mileage can I expect? Low to mid 20's, probably. Sometimes a bit more, if the planets align. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Taxi
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > W126 with 240D wheels: > http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/2220575228.html > Look close; there's a turbine sort of pattern to the spokes around what appears to be the "hubcap." They're actually Centras or some such early-'80s aftermarket alloy wheel with the center portion painted. Interesting three-tone interior, too! You don't see a Franken126 every day... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
