Re: [MBZ] OT: SSD in Apple 12 PB
Craig wrote: But what about the few cells an operating system writes over and over, many times each day? How many bytes is that 100 GB of writes per day to, the whole solid-state disk, or a smaller subset? The O/S doesn't get to decide, it's handled by the drive's internal controller. It's spread over the area of the disk that does not have data stored on it. You can fill a SSD with data if it's used as a read only drive and it will live virtually forever. If any writing/deleting is to occur, you can kill the drive quite quickly by keeping it 99% full. (but usually the drive holds about 7% of the flash RAM in reserve to keep you from doing that to it, hence the 64GB drives that hold 55GB of data) Regaining deleted file space works best if the O/S supports TRIM, or if the drive controller has very good garbage collection. Kingston made a drive for Apple that had very aggressive garbage collection, but I forget which one it was. The issue is that data is written in much smaller blocks than it is deleted, so when a block is mostly empty, the drive should move the remaining data to another block and erase the original block so that it may be reused. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] K'leb Car
Stop by and take a look in my garage... -- Max, Charleston SC Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: How hard is a blown head gasket (aside from moving all the crap out of the way)? Why did it blow out? I went up to the bank this afternoon, and parked in front was a fairly new Volvo with a huge puddle of hot oil oozing out from under the car by the right front wheel. Came out, it had oozed even more. I left a note on the windshield not to start or drive it as all the oil in the engine was now on the pavement. Some guy was walking by, asked if it was his, he said no, but it looked like an oil change place had not tightened the filter. Hard to tell without knowing where it was coming from, but that was my thought too. Or maybe a blown line or gasket. --R On 9/29/11 8:45 PM, clay monroe wrote: Gump been crushed http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/2624426440.html not mine, no interest, clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor'soffices?
But what about the Queen's English? Do Y'all speak the Queen's English? Aye? I can also speak perfect American AND Canadian English when and if necessary and, as indicated, a few American Southernisms when kidding around. ;)) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: SSD in Apple 12 PB
But what about the few cells an operating system writes over and over, many times each day? How many bytes is that 100 GB of writes per day to, the whole solid-state disk, or a smaller subset? The 'drive' devices all supposedly contain wear-leveling mechanisms. I'm unsure of the quality thereof, I've got experience with one such product (for NOR flash, and which has no bad block mapping capability) that I don't think does a very good job. The graphs of sector vs erase time on some of our NOR devices is very 'hairy'. Erase time per sector seems to vary something like 10:1 over the lifetime of the device. I don't have any equivalent data for NAND devices. The NOR flash devices I know of all have blazing read speeds, modest sizes, rather indifferent write speeds, zero support for bad block mapping and wear leveling, and 10^5-10^6 per-block cycle lifetimes. They're old-fashioned randomly-addressable memory, and are what you use in place of RAM/ROM as main memory devices. You can randomly write any 1 bit to 0 at any time, fairly quickly, but can only turn 0 bits into 1's 128KB (for example) at a time with a fairly slow block erase operation. The NAND flash devices I know of have middling read speeds, matching write speeds, large sizes, bad block and wear leveling built-in, though probably tuned to FAT filesystems, and 10^3-10^5 per-block cycle lifetimes. These are the CF/SD type devices, usually with a filesystem on them, and are the sort of thing used as a 'disk'. They're block- addressable devices, like a disk, and can only have entire blocks replaced with new contents. I haven't looked at the market in a couple of years, but I can't believe that it'd have changed very significantly. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Diesel pr0n
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/09/audis-diesels-running-strong-at-road-atlanta/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel pr0n
Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/09/audis-diesels-running-strong-at-road-atlanta/ 532hp from 3.7L? That's the sort of HP/liter the Crazy Finns get in OM60x powered road cars. Seems low for a modern direct injection prototype racer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: SSD in Apple 12 PB
On Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:30 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: A company I worked for, for 'reliability', switched from rotating media to flash media, on a BSD platform. No other changes were made. The reliability went _way_ down! You need a filesystem, and possibly operating system, that is designed for flash. Standard OS's assume that they can blindly write whenever/wherever they want, with no particular penalty other than the time it takes. To minimize that they run sort algorithms on the disk driver, map things according to cylinders, etc. None of that crap helps a SSD, and may hurt it. More importantly, though, is the fact that flash has a very finite lifetime, AND it slows down significantly as it is used up. Both are killers if you ask me. The better (and lately, most?) SSDs have onoboard controllers that wear level the writes and counter the slow down effect without the OS needing to be aware of this. As a curious side effect, you cannot secure delete a file on an SSD by overwriting its contents with random bits before deleting, as the won't be written in the same place as the original! SSDs most definitely do have a finite life, but then so do conventional HDDs. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: SSD in Apple 12 PB
Allan Streib wrote: As a curious side effect, you cannot secure delete a file on an SSD by overwriting its contents with random bits before deleting, as the won't be written in the same place as the original! On an individual file level, yes, but there's a Secure Erase function that wipes the entire drive in seconds. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor'soffices?
On 29/09/2011 10:30 PM, Dieselhead wrote: But what about the Queen's English? Do Y'all speak the Queen's English? Aye? I can also speak perfect American AND Canadian English when and if necessary and, as indicated, a few American Southernisms when kidding around. ;)) Wilton Oh, come on guys. Surely you know that every second word is required to be en Francais. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor'soffices?
I am getting to where I understand Gullah pretty well, but have minimal ability to speak it. --R On 9/30/11 10:24 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 29/09/2011 10:30 PM, Dieselhead wrote: But what about the Queen's English? Do Y'all speak the Queen's English? Aye? I can also speak perfect American AND Canadian English when and if necessary and, as indicated, a few American Southernisms when kidding around. ;)) Wilton Oh, come on guys. Surely you know that every second word is required to be en Francais. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor's offices?
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 29/09/2011 11:56 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: So how is it docs make enough money up there to afford high-end cars, what with gummint Canadacare and such? ... Finally, I expect their education cost is a whole lot lower than in the USA. SWMBO looked into moving to Newfoundland for this reason, she'll be going into med school in the next couple years. According to her reading the -average- med school graduate in the US has $250K debt (with a starting salary for a GP of $80K-ish). Unfortunately there do not appear to be many jobs in NL that would pay anywhere near my current salary, even if I add in the debt load for the $46K/yr that the local medical school charges for tuition, so it's looking like we'll probably stay in more temperate climes. In any case $250K will buy a lot of cars. At least at the places I shop. :) Best, -Tim 300D - needs some alternator and wiring work 300SDL - needs a new transmission filter Ford Escape Hybrid - needs a new oil drain plug and not much else ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor'soffices?
I say! 'Probably could if I worked on it some, ole boy; 'always been pretty good at foreign languages. ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor'soffices? But what about the Queen's English? Do Y'all speak the Queen's English? Aye? I can also speak perfect American AND Canadian English when and if necessary and, as indicated, a few American Southernisms when kidding around. ;)) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with manydoctor'soffices?
'Could even throw in un mot de Francais occasionally, n'est que pas? Certainement. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with manydoctor'soffices? On 29/09/2011 10:30 PM, Dieselhead wrote: But what about the Queen's English? Do Y'all speak the Queen's English? Aye? I can also speak perfect American AND Canadian English when and if necessary and, as indicated, a few American Southernisms when kidding around. ;)) Wilton Oh, come on guys. Surely you know that every second word is required to be en Francais. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor's offices?
Georgetown said about $200k, but who's counting... --R On 9/30/11 11:28 AM, Tim C wrote: SWMBO looked into moving to Newfoundland for this reason, she'll be going into med school in the next couple years. According to her reading the -average- med school graduate in the US has $250K debt (with a starting salary for a GP of $80K-ish). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
Shifting sheet metal wouldn't be so reliable would it? If I put the shim in backwards the pedal is low, if I put it in forward its high. Hopefully Sunday I'll find time to see what upside down and upside down/backward does. -Curt Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:39:30 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update Message-ID: 4e84e592.3090...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 29/09/2011 3:43 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: You also seem to think mine won't bleed. Mine bled fine, it drives funny but actuates just fine. Mao had the bleed problem. I *think* the shim is not quite square and the angle of the slope effects the pedal feel. The old one broke and fell out so I have no idea how its supposed to be situated... -Curt Any chance you have other issues? Have you looked at the firewall and the pedal assembly? Older Toyota pickups and 4Runners sometimes have problems similar to this and the fault is often cracked sheet metal on the firewall where the pedal assembly mounts permitting enough flex to affect the whole system (assuming my memory on the subject is correct - I used to read a Toyota forum more regularly than I now do). Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
From the picture you sent I think the difference between the two rods is no more than 1/8 and possibly less than that. I need to play with the shim more, I'm still convinced its the cause of all my problems. Otherwise I do have a brand new MC to swap in assuming that I somehow damaged this one during the bleed process (which is quite possible. -Curt Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 00:32:02 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update Message-ID: 20110930003202.8bc791ea.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt Raymond wrote: In my case the clutch disengages in the first 1/8th of pedal travel, conversely it engages in the last 1/8th of pedal travel (on the way UP) so my theory is the rod is too long... Fmiser wrote: Shoot. I had your symptoms backwards. Well - if it's enough too long the piston can't move far enough up to clear the file-port and so it won't bleed. If it bleeds, then it may be the slave shims after all. Curt Raymond wrote: You also seem to think mine won't bleed. Mine bled fine, it drives funny but actuates just fine. Mao had the bleed problem. No, I caught that you had no trouble bleeding. I keep bringing that up because I am rather certain that if you have a rod that is even as much as 1/4 too long your system will not bleed. It's that close. So, since your's is bleeding, I figured you must have the opposite of what I had. I had long rod and and short master cylinder - and no bleed. Ergo, you have a short rod and a long cylinder. Or then again, maybe not. *weak smile* I *think* the shim is not quite square and the angle of the slope effects the pedal feel. The old one broke and fell out so I have no idea how its supposed to be situated... Hmm. The shim I had was so thin I don't think I could have detected a lack of parallel. But I also wasn't looking for it. :) -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: SSD in Apple 12 PB
We tried SLC drives here for drives in a database server, results were FAR LESS robust than a spinning disk. Databases ruin SSDs by constant flipping of bits. -Curt Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:45:45 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: SSD in Apple 12 PB Message-ID: 20110929234545.f8f02f23.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 00:30:29 -0400 Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: Everything has a finite life. The longevity of a SSD in a laptop over a HD is going to be greater for one single reason. Vibration/shock. A SLC SLC = Single Level Cell, one bit per memory cell MLC = Multi Level Cell, more than one bit per memory cell, less robust than SLC Most of the solid-state disks available are MLC. drive will take 10 writes per sector. Intel guarantees their SSD's for 5 years at 100GB of writes per day. Even at 10gb per day, the hdd will outlast you. But what about the few cells an operating system writes over and over, many times each day? How many bytes is that 100 GB of writes per day to, the whole solid-state disk, or a smaller subset? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor's offices?
Me. Right now I'm helping a son, a grandson and a granddaughter in college. Yes, I'm counting. 'Hard to realize that during my first 3-year tour at NC State my total cost for EVERYTHING was $1000 per year - 1952-55. 'Bout $16,000 to $17,000 per year now. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor's offices? Georgetown said about $200k, but who's counting... --R On 9/30/11 11:28 AM, Tim C wrote: SWMBO looked into moving to Newfoundland for this reason, she'll be going into med school in the next couple years. According to her reading the -average- med school graduate in the US has $250K debt (with a starting salary for a GP of $80K-ish). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel pr0n
Tickets: check Easy Up: check Camping Chairs: check Still photography camera: check Cow bell: check Excited about my first in person race that doesnt involve county fair grounds or a big circle? CHECK CHECK CHECK -Rolf On 09/30/2011 09:44 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/09/audis-diesels-running-strong-at-road-atlanta/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel pr0n
The engine is about 25 percent lighter than the V10 in the previous car, and it makes less power too, just 532 horsepower. But it's morefuel-efficient http://www.wired.com/autopia/tag/fuel-economy/. The car's new six-speed transmission is controlled electronically, not pneumatically, to save weight. Its a 10hr race. If you can get 5 or 10mpg more out of it.. On 09/30/2011 10:01 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/09/audis-diesels-running-strong-at-road-atlanta/ 532hp from 3.7L? That's the sort of HP/liter the Crazy Finns get in OM60x powered road cars. Seems low for a modern direct injection prototype racer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clutch rod update
Curt Raymond wrote: From the picture you sent I think the difference between the two rods is no more than 1/8 and possibly less than that. Oh! Then there must be more than two choices. The different between my short and long rod is at least 1/2 inch. As I recall, it's closer to 1 inch different. But right now I'm to lazy to pull apart the working car just to measure it. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor's offices?
That's med school, not undergraduate work. Add the undergrad costs to that and $250k is cheap. Interesting article in the Atlantic (I think) yesterday about how colleges actually penalize families who save up to pay for college, as the FAFSA takes into account any cash or investments you have that are liquid. In other words, if you have a college fund set aside for junior, that factors in when you do your FAFSA and reduces your eligibility for student aid. Dan (still paying off Sallie Mae) From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor's offices? Georgetown said about $200k, but who's counting... --R On 9/30/11 11:28 AM, Tim C wrote: SWMBO looked into moving to Newfoundland for this reason, she'll be going into med school in the next couple years. According to her reading the -average- med school graduate in the US has $250K debt (with a starting salary for a GP of $80K-ish). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] A BA Youngster
Frightening to thing of what he'll be like at 2 http://imgur.com/gallery/WfcPJ Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor's offices?
I saw some small blurb that in all this economic and political turmoil the subsidized Federal loans (you can borrow a certain amount at one rate, and some more at a bit higher rate, then the rest is commercial) are going away next year I think they said. I'm sorta thinking that of anything to cut, graduate education or med school support would be the last to go, as long as the gummint is throwing money at this and that and everything else. I guess the libertarian in me also wonders why gummint is in the mix at all. --R (torn...) On 9/30/11 5:47 PM, LWB250 wrote: That's med school, not undergraduate work. Add the undergrad costs to that and $250k is cheap. Interesting article in the Atlantic (I think) yesterday about how colleges actually penalize families who save up to pay for college, as the FAFSA takes into account any cash or investments you have that are liquid. In other words, if you have a college fund set aside for junior, that factors in when you do your FAFSA and reduces your eligibility for student aid. Dan (still paying off Sallie Mae) From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor's offices? Georgetown said about $200k, but who's counting... --R On 9/30/11 11:28 AM, Tim C wrote: SWMBO looked into moving to Newfoundland for this reason, she'll be going into med school in the next couple years. According to her reading the -average- med school graduate in the US has $250K debt (with a starting salary for a GP of $80K-ish). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Plc's
Why the obsession? i.e.: Hold the light swithch for 2 sec., lights come on. If you don't let go of the switch, you stay in the dark. Called re-bounce (computer needs to verify the switch was actally actuated). Windows: Press Exit and a window pops up: What do you wantto do? Exit or Continue. Are we that stupid? -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plc's
Hans wrote: Windows: Press Exit and a window pops up: What do you wantto do? Exit or Continue. Are we that stupid? The collective we on this list. No The collective we on the planet... Yes. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints
The next problem in our kitchen remodel relates to an old washing machine drain pipe that I want to remove. It is a short run of 2 galvanized pipe and some 45 degree joints that goes into what is apparently an old-fashioned, cast iron/lead plumbing joint. In trying to remove the short, upper section of galvanized pipe so I could plug it with a galvanized NPT plug, I loosened the joint where the galvanized pipe goes into the floor slab. Since there is another joint a few feet away that is entirely above the slab that is a cast iron/poured lead joint, I suspect that the one that is loose is the same. Does anyone know how to handle these types of joints? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor'soffices?
That'l pass for here! I say! 'Probably could if I worked on it some, ole boy; 'always been pretty good at foreign languages. ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor'soffices? But what about the Queen's English? Do Y'all speak the Queen's English? Aye? I can also speak perfect American AND Canadian English when and if necessary and, as indicated, a few American Southernisms when kidding around. ;)) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor'soffices?
Sorry Randy, I didn't mean that to pertain to Canada. I just meant the Queen's english as being distinct from Canadian, American, OZ, or Kiwi english. On 29/09/2011 10:30 PM, Dieselhead wrote: But what about the Queen's English? Do Y'all speak the Queen's English? Aye? I can also speak perfect American AND Canadian English when and if necessary and, as indicated, a few American Southernisms when kidding around. ;)) Wilton Oh, come on guys. Surely you know that every second word is required to be en Francais. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plc's
On my work PC, WIN 7 Enterprise version, when I select shutdown, no further questions it just shuts down. I love it. -- Max, Charleston SC Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: Why the obsession? i.e.: Hold the light swithch for 2 sec., lights come on. If you don't let go of the switch, you stay in the dark. Called re-bounce (computer needs to verify the switch was actally actuated). Windows: Press Exit and a window pops up: What do you wantto do? Exit or Continue. Are we that stupid? -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints
I saw this on this old house. Use a hammer to break up and remove the cast joint, replace if needed with modern material. Far faster/cheaper than trying to save the cast piece. -- Max, Charleston SC Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: The next problem in our kitchen remodel relates to an old washing machine drain pipe that I want to remove. It is a short run of 2 galvanized pipe and some 45 degree joints that goes into what is apparently an old-fashioned, cast iron/lead plumbing joint. In trying to remove the short, upper section of galvanized pipe so I could plug it with a galvanized NPT plug, I loosened the joint where the galvanized pipe goes into the floor slab. Since there is another joint a few feet away that is entirely above the slab that is a cast iron/poured lead joint, I suspect that the one that is loose is the same. Does anyone know how to handle these types of joints? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints
When they did them, they pounded some oakum in the joint then poured hot lead over it to seal it up. I think there is some sort of replacement for that now, probably some sort of epoxy or RTV kind of stuff or something. I did a PVC to cast iron joint in my old Victorian when I upgraded the plumbing, and did it the old-fashioned way, with plenty of ventilation for the hot lead process. It cooled down before it did much to the PVC. --R On 9/30/11 8:56 PM, Craig wrote: The next problem in our kitchen remodel relates to an old washing machine drain pipe that I want to remove. It is a short run of 2 galvanized pipe and some 45 degree joints that goes into what is apparently an old-fashioned, cast iron/lead plumbing joint. In trying to remove the short, upper section of galvanized pipe so I could plug it with a galvanized NPT plug, I loosened the joint where the galvanized pipe goes into the floor slab. Since there is another joint a few feet away that is entirely above the slab that is a cast iron/poured lead joint, I suspect that the one that is loose is the same. Does anyone know how to handle these types of joints? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints
Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: When they did them, they pounded some oakum in the joint then poured hot lead over it to seal it up. I think there is some sort of replacement for that now, probably some sort of epoxy or RTV kind of stuff or something. Yeah I had to fix one upon complaint of a home inspector when we were selling our first house. I found some kind of pipe joint repair putty at Home Despot. Don't recall the name, but it worked. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Today at the Yard
No M116 (3.8lV8) engines there, but there was one 108 250S with an OM617 in the engine bay. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints
Go to a commercial plumbing supply house with pictures and a diagram. There are all sorts of transitions and adapters for connecting up to cast iron pipe. I would consider suggesting that you try a big box store like Home Despot, but it's a crapshoot as far as the advice you might get. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Sep 30, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: The next problem in our kitchen remodel relates to an old washing machine drain pipe that I want to remove. It is a short run of 2 galvanized pipe and some 45 degree joints that goes into what is apparently an old-fashioned, cast iron/lead plumbing joint. In trying to remove the short, upper section of galvanized pipe so I could plug it with a galvanized NPT plug, I loosened the joint where the galvanized pipe goes into the floor slab. Since there is another joint a few feet away that is entirely above the slab that is a cast iron/poured lead joint, I suspect that the one that is loose is the same. Does anyone know how to handle these types of joints? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor's offices?
I'll ask the wife - she may know since she works for Sallie Mae (and is in charge of some of their loan systems.) Dan Sent from my iPhone On Sep 30, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I saw some small blurb that in all this economic and political turmoil the subsidized Federal loans (you can borrow a certain amount at one rate, and some more at a bit higher rate, then the rest is commercial) are going away next year I think they said. I'm sorta thinking that of anything to cut, graduate education or med school support would be the last to go, as long as the gummint is throwing money at this and that and everything else. I guess the libertarian in me also wonders why gummint is in the mix at all. --R (torn...) On 9/30/11 5:47 PM, LWB250 wrote: That's med school, not undergraduate work. Add the undergrad costs to that and $250k is cheap. Interesting article in the Atlantic (I think) yesterday about how colleges actually penalize families who save up to pay for college, as the FAFSA takes into account any cash or investments you have that are liquid. In other words, if you have a college fund set aside for junior, that factors in when you do your FAFSA and reduces your eligibility for student aid. Dan (still paying off Sallie Mae) From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor's offices? Georgetown said about $200k, but who's counting... --R On 9/30/11 11:28 AM, Tim C wrote: SWMBO looked into moving to Newfoundland for this reason, she'll be going into med school in the next couple years. According to her reading the -average- med school graduate in the US has $250K debt (with a starting salary for a GP of $80K-ish). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 21:28:13 -0400 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I saw this on this old house. Use a hammer to break up and remove the cast joint, replace if needed with modern material. Far faster/cheaper than trying to save the cast piece. Actually, the cast piece is in the slab, with the open, lead-filled end just above the top of the slab. The 2 galvanized is inserted in the cast piece and goes up about 6, turns 45 degrees, goes about 24, turns another 45 degrees back to vertical, and goes up another about 10 to form the washing machine drain. I want to cap off the washing machine drain, since it will no longer be used, before I seal the wall back up. I was planning on removing the top 10 piece and replacing it with a NPT threaded plug. It sounds like I should remove all of the galvanized pipe, remove the lead from the cast joint, and use some modern epoxy/putty/filler to seal in a capped pipe. At least that's what I think y'all are saying. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today at the Yard
Yep, thats were conversions like that end up... destroys the value of the car. Jaime On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: No M116 (3.8lV8) engines there, but there was one 108 250S with an OM617 in the engine bay. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 22:44:38 -0400 Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Go to a commercial plumbing supply house with pictures and a diagram. There are all sorts of transitions and adapters for connecting up to cast iron pipe. Thank you for the info. That will mean an hour drive to Santa Fe. I would consider suggesting that you try a big box store like Home Despot, but it's a crapshoot as far as the advice you might get. They are also in Santa Fe, but we do have a Do It Best hardware store here in Los Alamos! Yeah, I know, I'll start planning a trip to Santa Fe. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints
Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: They are also in Santa Fe, but we do have a Do It Best hardware store here in Los Alamos! Yeah, I know, I'll start planning a trip to Santa Fe. Sometimes those local stores have more than you realize, and also sometimes the employees actually know what they are talking about. I'd give them a chance... -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 23:28:58 -0400 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: They are also in Santa Fe, but we do have a Do It Best hardware store here in Los Alamos! Yeah, I know, I'll start planning a trip to Santa Fe. Sometimes those local stores have more than you realize, and also sometimes the employees actually know what they are talking about. I'd give them a chance... All right, tomorrow I will. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cast Iron/Lead Plumbing Joints
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 22:44:38 -0400 Dan Penoff I would consider suggesting that you try a big box store like Home Despot, but it's a crapshoot as far as the advice you might get. Craig wrote: They are also in Santa Fe, but we do have a Do It Best hardware store here in Los Alamos! Yeah, I know, I'll start planning a trip to Santa Fe. I'll bet you have a better chance of good advice from the DoItBest store. Selection might actually be better too. I'm not fond of the big stores. Reminds me of Springsteen's song 57 channels and Nothings On. How can they have 100ft (30 meter) isles and still have nothing? http://www.brucespringsteen.net/songs/57Channels.html -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
