Re: [MBZ] Petrol Prices [was: Re: 87 300D Next electrical gremlin- parasitic drain]
Fair point raised. The diesel sold today is the fuel bought on a futures speculation 6 months to a year ago based on the gamble that the investor was guessing correctly on price of crude, war, Mid East stability, public nervousness about terrorism, tanker availability, refinery space and timing, and OPEC's mood of the day. A year ago a barrel of crude price was still reeling from the Gulf of Mexico spill [or some other market excuse]. ULSD may meet EU spec [or close] but it's still made in America and the fight for refinery space is critical for production. Remember, there have been no new refinerys built in USA in last 26 years. You just can't get them past the EPA for approval, so the supply always remains short, thus price high [bad position to be in for a Capitalist, yes?]. During that 26 years, a couple of large ones have closed. Up until the 1973 Oil Embargo we used to have something called gas wars where stations would lower price to move product because we actually has surplus fuel... those days are now gone. Now some genius college boy decided we would have Just in time fuel delivery and save the Quarterly Report by lowering production and driving higher prices. All while he plays the futures market while manipulating the delivery chain. Brilliant yes? They play, We pay. Thank OPEC and the EPA. Besides, now that Mr. Obama has told the Canada Pipeline oil supply to go get stuffed I'm sure crude oil prices will lower, and supply will go up so government will fix things for us... Right??? Grant AZ... On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:33:59 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Diesel foreverexcept when it is $4 and guzoline is $3. That is insanity. I was planning on writing an email about this tonight. Over the last few months, our gasoline prices have inched downward and our diesel prices have inched upward. Is that so consumers will feel good about cheap gasoline, but not see the increased diesel prices because they are hidden in the cost of goods and the goods manufacturers and sellers will be blamed? Or is it because winter is approaching and people are stocking up on heating oil? Or is it because someone is jigging the futures prices? Living at one of the largest ports on the eastern seaboard, the amount of local truck traffic (shipping containers) is a direct indicator of economic activity for the country. Traffic is still very light compared to levels pre-recession, so I don't think we can blame increased demand in this country. However, our ULSD formula is common to many other countries, so increased demand or decreased production elsewhere will affect us. I personally think that our fuels commodity market is too susceptible to speculation. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 ACC PBUs
Wandering or inappropriate temperature can be caused by disintegration of the foam tube that draws interior air from the little intake on top of the dash or ceiling, depending on model. Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: So, the '87 300D's climate control is acting up. (Symptom: Mode buttons and fan speed control buttons work as designed, but temperature control comes and goes: sometimes it works fine, and sometimes the vents just blow cold air regardless of the dial setting.) Does anyone know the functional difference(s) between gas and diesel 124 climate control PBUs? I would love to be able to swap in the unit from the '86 300E to see what happens, but not if it's going to blow something up. I see that they have different part numbers in the EPC, but that doesn't always mean anything. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116, noisy transmission/TC
MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com writes: Start looking for a new transmission it's only a matter of time. So anyone have a diesel W116 parts car with a good transmission? Rusty, your rebuilds still come with torque converter and warranty, right? Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Micro$oft Bah Humbug
That, or see what is involved in running a local licensing server like we do. As I type this I am building a new W2K8 R2 server in VMware. When I am done, I join it to the domain, run a small script that points it at our licensing server, and voila! It's done. Even if I don't point it, after a day or two it will find the licensing server and shake hands. And yes, their licensing setup is a PITA. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Nov 16, 2011, at 10:12 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Rant warning rant I tried to resurrect a 2003 server that has been dormant for a few years. Had it running a few times, and then it pops up that it has to be authorized or shut down. So, it won't connect because the network card does not have the right settings. Then I call in, and get a code. Put the code in and it says invalid code. Then Sunil (David) says I have to call server support. I call server support and the first guy hangs up on me. Call back and get a lady who says this number (server support) is only for consumers (desktops) and I have to call the same number for server support. I complained that that is how I ended up talking to her. So in a few minutes, she gets another guy on the line and he says I have to call back tomorrow during business hours. All this crap because M believes that if you have their bloated goofy OS, you stole it. (of course the fact that you paid them thousands does not enter the scenario. So if anyone asks why I don't want M$ software anymore, here is the answer. Winders 2000 was a almost good OS. If they had completed it before release, I'd say it was one of the best OS, other than being bloated. Now I just call it the best OS M$ ever released. This phone home authentication crap is just that. Horse pitutie! /rant So once again, I should have just wiped the drive and started over. Save time! Save money! Wipe M$ off your hard drive. Call up LUooie Don(or your favorite LU) and get the pooop on the hottest distro Dieselkopf, MCSE, MCT Microsoft Certified several other things. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?
There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle. Mike On Nov 15, 2011 9:44 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: World's first series produced diesel-hybrid was just introduced by Peugeot in the form of the 3008 Hybrid4 with 200 bhp and CO2 emission as low as 99 g/km. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Diesel-Hybrid-Cars-Poised-for-Growth-in-Europe-223079.shtml Gerry The diesel powertrain produces a power output of 163 bhp and the electric motor generates an additional 37 bhp. Both powertrains are capable of running independently, which means it can run in the all-electric mode within cities and thus being a zero-emission vehicle. From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Exactly!!! Why won't they listen to us? On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: So why not put a Diesel in instead of a gasser, and reap the benefits of both! ;) Walt On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: A modern diesel in a similar sized car will significantly better a Prius in terms of fuel economy. ...except when stopped. The hybrids excel in situations where most drivers sit idling, or where there's a lot of stop and go. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?
Michael Canfield wrote: There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle. How about 'remote emissions vehicle', or REV? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?
That is a much more accurate description. Mike On Nov 17, 2011 9:15 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Michael Canfield wrote: There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle. How about 'remote emissions vehicle', or REV? Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Micro$oft Bah Humbug
I can't justify the expense/hassle of running a licensing server when all I really need is the ability to print from macs on winders only printers. and on occasion, run a program that I can't get on Mac. Seems to me that if M$ was not such a den of thieves, they would send through a patch for XP and 2003 that removes the stupid phone home feature (Feature in developerspeak is a BUG in the rest of the world.) Of course, if they did that i suspect a lot of people would upgrade their 08 servers to 03. That, or see what is involved in running a local licensing server like we do. As I type this I am building a new W2K8 R2 server in VMware. When I am done, I join it to the domain, run a small script that points it at our licensing server, and voila! It's done. Even if I don't point it, after a day or two it will find the licensing server and shake hands. And yes, their licensing setup is a PITA. Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Petrol Prices
I think a lot (if not most) of the diesel refined here in the USA is shipped off to Yurp as they have limited refining capacity and high demand due to more diesel vehicles. Maybe a better deal for the refiners? --R On 11/16/11 10:24 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Craigdiese...@pisquared.net writes: I was planning on writing an email about this tonight. Over the last few months, our gasoline prices have inched downward and our diesel prices have inched upward. Is that so consumers will feel good about cheap gasoline, but not see the increased diesel prices because they are hidden in the cost of goods and the goods manufacturers and sellers will be blamed? Or is it because winter is approaching and people are stocking up on heating oil? Or is it because someone is jigging the futures prices? The rationale I've heard is that with current refining technology, it's possible to get a lot more gasoline out of a barrel of oil than in the past. So years ago diesel was in some sense a waste product in the refining process, plentiful relative to demand, and therefore cheap. Cheaper than gasoline at any rate. Today, more of each barrel of crude is refined into gasoline as there is higher demand for it. Therefore, a lower supply of diesel, and higher prices. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
The 'correct' hybrid has a diesel engine sized to move the vehicle down the road at highway speed, fully loaded and with a few ponies to spare, and sufficient battery capacity to handle normal acceleration and regenerative braking needs. And, obviously, sufficient electric motorage to give the desired driveability characteristics. Not REV, not a big diesel with a little electric motor. Not a gasser of any sort. The batteries are the most evil part of a hybrid, you want to minimize them. Average drive power is all fuel, all peak needs met electrically. HVAC completely traditional, driven off the diesel. Diesel can stop at lights, if the battery charge is sufficient and you have a coolant circulation pump ala MB to heat during stops from residual engine heat. Motor will start if cabin starts to cool. (Webasto-style fueled heater even better, but is a bit on the expensive side. Will forgo. Must use diesel waste heat rather than fuel when available, anyway.) I'm thinking a 20HP diesel with maybe 100HP of electric motor. The diesel needn't be a turbo, but if it's more efficient on the highway with one then it should have it. Battery pack relatively small, would only take you a few miles on its own. _That_, in AWD sedan form, I might buy. Provided it had a traditional fail-safe key switch and no stupid shrubbery on the dash. And got an honest 60 MPG. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
I'll take 2. When do we start building? Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hybrids The 'correct' hybrid has a diesel engine sized to move the vehicle down the road at highway speed, fully loaded and with a few ponies to spare, and sufficient battery capacity to handle normal acceleration and regenerative braking needs. And, obviously, sufficient electric motorage to give the desired driveability characteristics. Not REV, not a big diesel with a little electric motor. Not a gasser of any sort. The batteries are the most evil part of a hybrid, you want to minimize them. Average drive power is all fuel, all peak needs met electrically. HVAC completely traditional, driven off the diesel. Diesel can stop at lights, if the battery charge is sufficient and you have a coolant circulation pump ala MB to heat during stops from residual engine heat. Motor will start if cabin starts to cool. (Webasto-style fueled heater even better, but is a bit on the expensive side. Will forgo. Must use diesel waste heat rather than fuel when available, anyway.) I'm thinking a 20HP diesel with maybe 100HP of electric motor. The diesel needn't be a turbo, but if it's more efficient on the highway with one then it should have it. Battery pack relatively small, would only take you a few miles on its own. _That_, in AWD sedan form, I might buy. Provided it had a traditional fail-safe key switch and no stupid shrubbery on the dash. And got an honest 60 MPG. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Micro$oft Bah Humbug
Maybe stop buying winders only printers? Just a thought... Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD On Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:30 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I can't justify the expense/hassle of running a licensing server when all I really need is the ability to print from macs on winders only printers. and on occasion, run a program that I can't get on Mac. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?
On Nov 17, 2011 6:08 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle. What about an all-electric vehicle where the electricity comes from hydro- or wind-power? Picking nits, I know, but here in the PNW we do get an awful lot of our electricity from big turbines at bigger dams---nary a smokestack in sight. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116, noisy transmission/TC
As far as I know that kind of snap ring does not have anything to do with the B2 problem as that controls a band. The crawling forward if the pawl is not engaged could very well be caused by whatever the snap ring should hold. The part is now dragging and making the car move forward. It is also possible that the same is happening in gear and may cause lower fuel mileage. Won't know enough about all that till the tranny is taken apart. You should probably also have seen a lot of fine aluminum filings in the oil and larger in the bottom of the pan. The oil would kind of shimmer in the sunlight as you swirl it around in the pan. Manfred Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:17:41 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] W116, noisy transmission/TC Agree, that's what I thought. I'm hoping there's enough of it left in place to hold for a while. Did the W116 have the transmissions that were prone to the B2 piston failure? (Though this does not look like any part of that as far as I can remember, having replaced one a few years back in my W123.) To clarify: the pawl is working, it's more like it's not totally going into neutral. There's still a bit of power getting to the output so if I am stopped on level ground, put the gear selector in Park, and give it some throttle it will roll forward until the pawl catches. Will see what happens with fresh fluid and filter. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?
OK, another nit - what about the fossil fuel that went into building/manufacturing the dams/towers and equipment, distribution, etc.? You can't get something for nothing. Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] A lost cause? On Nov 17, 2011 6:08 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle. What about an all-electric vehicle where the electricity comes from hydro- or wind-power? Picking nits, I know, but here in the PNW we do get an awful lot of our electricity from big turbines at bigger dams---nary a smokestack in sight. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler
Disconnect speedo cable at transmission. Manfred Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:38:16 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler The entie cluster was disconnected - noise persisted. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 ACC PBUs
On Nov 17, 2011 4:22 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Wandering or inappropriate temperature can be caused by disintegration of the foam tube that draws interior air from the little intake on top of the dash or ceiling, depending on model. True, although on 124s it's more likely to be the teeny-tiny aspirator motor that draws air over the interior temp sensor that has failed. I've dealt with that before on another car. (I'm not even sure that the 124 has a *foam* tube per se; I think it may be more substantial.) The symptoms I'm seeing here, though, aren't the same as when the aspirator died on my other car. Wandering doesn't really describe it---its more like the temperature control part of the ACC circuit toggles between working fine and not working at all. Nevertheless, I ought to rule out the aspirator just in case---it's easy enough to test whether the sucker is still sucking. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116, noisy transmission/TC
On Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:27 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: The crawling forward if the pawl is not engaged could very well be caused by whatever the snap ring should hold. The part is now dragging and making the car move forward. It is also possible that the same is happening in gear and may cause lower fuel mileage. Won't know enough about all that till the tranny is taken apart. Unless these are rebuildable without a lot of investment in special tools, I don't think I'll be doing that myself. You should probably also have seen a lot of fine aluminum filings in the oil and larger in the bottom of the pan. The oil would kind of shimmer in the sunlight as you swirl it around in the pan. Surprisingly, the pan was very clean other than that broken ring caught in the filter. The fluid did not really shimmer that I noticed, but was rather dark; its age unknown. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116, noisy transmission/TC
Given the evident damage I would not try to rebuild it unless you have access to another tranny of the exact same kind as you will probably encounter hard part damage, possibly even damage to the tranny case where in some cases there are internal snap-rings holding to the case. If there is damage there then that would require a new case. All in all I would go with a rebuilt (Q) or a takee-outee from a upull if cost is more important then your time and labor. Manfred Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:45:19 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] W116, noisy transmission/TC Check out what this guy says about his Bronco... combined with the indications that I have a broken snap ring, doesn't bode well. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/1449670-post5.html Is rebuilding one of these something that can be done without a lot of special tools and knowledge? Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116, noisy transmission/TC
Oh! forgot to add. For an auto tranny rebuild there is a, in my mind, rather steep learning curve and depending on the transmission also required specialized tools and measurements. Having done 350's, 904's and 700r4's I don't want to even try one of these at my age. I will just get a rebuild when needed and be done with it. Manfred Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:45:19 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] W116, noisy transmission/TC Check out what this guy says about his Bronco... combined with the indications that I have a broken snap ring, doesn't bode well. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/1449670-post5.html Is rebuilding one of these something that can be done without a lot of special tools and knowledge? Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [db] Diesel Fuel Differences?
there are a variety of factors. 1) cetane rating 2) mix of bioDiesel 3) is it #1 or #2 or blended? (depends on region, here in the PNW all we see is #2) #1 used in the winter is a weaker mix, less cetane but lower pour point to avoid gelling. #2 will have more power but gels in the 34 degree neighborhood. (hint to those travelling from warm to cold climates... if you expect cold weather, that is in the low 30's to teens even, add ONE GALLON of regular unleaded to about 20 gallons of Diesel, this will prevent gelling - you can also use a mix of Kerosene and Diesel, say 50-50 or so, YMMV, but Kerosene is really spendy stuff... You can also use an additive to prevent gelling, but I have never had problems putting a gallon of that really bad smelling stuff called gasoline... ;) unlike octane ratings I know of no requirement to post the provided Cetane rating... adding gasoline to Diesel results in thinning, but also a more rapid burn, so be careful not to add too much or you'll melt pistons... don't lug it when using gas as a thinner... there is often a note on the brand names that say up to 5% bioDiesel. bioDiesel lowers mileage and energy... typically... unless it's made from the really good stuff... which isn't usually the case. the Ultra low sulfur fuel can be a concern for lubricity... I think that's why they are mixing in some bioDiesel, from what I've read BioDiesel has greater lubricity than regular Diesel. California got their chops busted when they pulled sulfur from the fuel and wiped out a bunch of big rig's pumps... selfish plug: amsoil sells some fine fuel additives and conditioners, one of the products is called cetane boost, the link in my sig file will get you to the info, sales pitch and an opportunity to purchase and provide a tired old webmaster some lunch money... ;) - -o|o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us On Mon, 7 Nov 2011, Greg Fiorentino wrote: # One of my mechanics swears that some diesel brands yield significantly # better economy than others. My wife subscribes to this theory also. Based # on recent unscientific and statistically insignificant tests, I am beginning # to think this may be so. # # # # Do any of you experienced dieselers care to weigh in on this sure-to-be # controversial topic? # # # # Greg # ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [db] Diesel Fuel Differences?
Sure, but I would assume that Greg was referring to same time of year, etc. so you would be able to ignore blending discrepancies. So, how do we find cetane ratings? And just what does cause the differences in color between some distributors?? Poorer quality? I see no notices on pumps around here about blending with biodiesel. Jim --- On Mon, 11/7/11, john j...@wagoneers.com wrote: From: john j...@wagoneers.com Subject: Re: [db] Diesel Fuel Differences? To: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net Cc: diesel-b...@digest.net, 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 5:23 PM there are a variety of factors. 1) cetane rating 2) mix of bioDiesel 3) is it #1 or #2 or blended? (depends on region, here in the PNW all we see is #2) #1 used in the winter is a weaker mix, less cetane but lower pour point to avoid gelling. #2 will have more power but gels in the 34 degree neighborhood. (hint to those travelling from warm to cold climates... if you expect cold weather, that is in the low 30's to teens even, add ONE GALLON of regular unleaded to about 20 gallons of Diesel, this will prevent gelling - you can also use a mix of Kerosene and Diesel, say 50-50 or so, YMMV, but Kerosene is really spendy stuff... You can also use an additive to prevent gelling, but I have never had problems putting a gallon of that really bad smelling stuff called gasoline... ;) unlike octane ratings I know of no requirement to post the provided Cetane rating... adding gasoline to Diesel results in thinning, but also a more rapid burn, so be careful not to add too much or you'll melt pistons... don't lug it when using gas as a thinner... there is often a note on the brand names that say up to 5% bioDiesel. bioDiesel lowers mileage and energy... typically... unless it's made from the really good stuff... which isn't usually the case. the Ultra low sulfur fuel can be a concern for lubricity... I think that's why they are mixing in some bioDiesel, from what I've read BioDiesel has greater lubricity than regular Diesel. California got their chops busted when they pulled sulfur from the fuel and wiped out a bunch of big rig's pumps... selfish plug: amsoil sells some fine fuel additives and conditioners, one of the products is called cetane boost, the link in my sig file will get you to the info, sales pitch and an opportunity to purchase and provide a tired old webmaster some lunch money... ;) - -o|o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us On Mon, 7 Nov 2011, Greg Fiorentino wrote: # One of my mechanics swears that some diesel brands yield significantly # better economy than others. My wife subscribes to this theory also. Based # on recent unscientific and statistically insignificant tests, I am beginning # to think this may be so. # # # # Do any of you experienced dieselers care to weigh in on this sure-to-be # controversial topic? # # # # Greg # ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clean dust/dirt from cylinder head?
Finally found the valve spring keeper solution. The special socket for OM606 injectors has another use... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm considering a trip to base auto hobby shop to use their press to get these valve keepers off/on. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'd like to remove the valves/springs from the head prior to following Rich's suggestion (car wash followed by compressed air, WD-40). I fear grit getting into the new valve stem seals if I don't take some preventive measures, but this OM603 head is proving resistant to the locally available tools from FLAPS. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Don't have a pressure washer, plus our storm drains go into local water (marshes, tidal flats) so I'm not too keen about sending the oil that route. I'm thinking maybe Simple Green, brush, low pressure water, collect the run-off in a tub for landfill disposal after the water has evaporated. Would brake cleaner affect the valve guide seals? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Short of taking this dusty dirty head to a machine shop for a dip, anyone have a clever idea for cleaning the camshaft/valve area? The garage that I bought the head from had left the valve cover off while the head sat on the floor, now the engine oil has collected dust and dirt. Pressure washer? Hot water and TSP in a bucket with a bristle brush? Use compressed air to dry it. -- Jim _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMAG0286.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 126204 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2011/0c7399dd/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [db] Diesel Fuel Differences?
Here in Michigan the change the diesel formulation about now, when temps start hitting 32. However, in the past 3 weeks I have replaced the timing belt, went from 30 PSI to 33 PSI on the tires and put in a new accelerator pedal (TPS) and on the exact same route, with exact same driving patterns, the TDI jumped from average 42MPG to 47 MPG. Since I changed 3 things (tire pressure, TPS and Timing belt) I don't know which had the larger effect but I am taking it to the bank:-) Edward On 11/7/2011 6:23 PM, john wrote: there are a variety of factors. 1) cetane rating 2) mix of bioDiesel 3) is it #1 or #2 or blended? (depends on region, here in the PNW all we see is #2) #1 used in the winter is a weaker mix, less cetane but lower pour point to avoid gelling. #2 will have more power but gels in the 34 degree neighborhood. (hint to those travelling from warm to cold climates... if you expect cold weather, that is in the low 30's to teens even, add ONE GALLON of regular unleaded to about 20 gallons of Diesel, this will prevent gelling - you can also use a mix of Kerosene and Diesel, say 50-50 or so, YMMV, but Kerosene is really spendy stuff... You can also use an additive to prevent gelling, but I have never had problems putting a gallon of that really bad smelling stuff called gasoline... ;) unlike octane ratings I know of no requirement to post the provided Cetane rating... adding gasoline to Diesel results in thinning, but also a more rapid burn, so be careful not to add too much or you'll melt pistons... don't lug it when using gas as a thinner... there is often a note on the brand names that say up to 5% bioDiesel. bioDiesel lowers mileage and energy... typically... unless it's made from the really good stuff... which isn't usually the case. the Ultra low sulfur fuel can be a concern for lubricity... I think that's why they are mixing in some bioDiesel, from what I've read BioDiesel has greater lubricity than regular Diesel. California got their chops busted when they pulled sulfur from the fuel and wiped out a bunch of big rig's pumps... selfish plug: amsoil sells some fine fuel additives and conditioners, one of the products is called cetane boost, the link in my sig file will get you to the info, sales pitch and an opportunity to purchase and provide a tired old webmaster some lunch money... ;) - -o|o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us On Mon, 7 Nov 2011, Greg Fiorentino wrote: # One of my mechanics swears that some diesel brands yield significantly # better economy than others. My wife subscribes to this theory also. Based # on recent unscientific and statistically insignificant tests, I am beginning # to think this may be so. # # # # Do any of you experienced dieselers care to weigh in on this sure-to-be # controversial topic? # # # # Greg # ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [db] Diesel Fuel Differences?
The ONLY difference between one brand of gas or diesel and another is the additive package - which includes any ethanol and/or biodiesel. That is also what colors the fuel. The feedstocks have been standardized. They dispense the appropriate additive at the Terminal depending on which retail station is buying the fuel (BP, Marathon, whatever). Each company maintains their own supply of additive at each terminal under lock and key. BP started producing ULSD fuel over a year before it was mandatory so they could comply with the regs through dilution and avoid cleaning all the underground tanks. If you thin diesel with gasoline or kerosene you are screwing up the additive mix and putting your injection pump at risk. A Bosch-style inline pump could care less. The 25,000+psi system in a CDI will care greatly and you will pay dearly. -Dave Walton On Nov 7, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Jim Hoffman jsl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Sure, but I would assume that Greg was referring to same time of year, etc. so you would be able to ignore blending discrepancies. So, how do we find cetane ratings? And just what does cause the differences in color between some distributors?? Poorer quality? I see no notices on pumps around here about blending with biodiesel. Jim --- On Mon, 11/7/11, john j...@wagoneers.com wrote: From: john j...@wagoneers.com Subject: Re: [db] Diesel Fuel Differences? To: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net Cc: diesel-b...@digest.net, 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 5:23 PM there are a variety of factors. 1) cetane rating 2) mix of bioDiesel 3) is it #1 or #2 or blended? (depends on region, here in the PNW all we see is #2) #1 used in the winter is a weaker mix, less cetane but lower pour point to avoid gelling. #2 will have more power but gels in the 34 degree neighborhood. (hint to those travelling from warm to cold climates... if you expect cold weather, that is in the low 30's to teens even, add ONE GALLON of regular unleaded to about 20 gallons of Diesel, this will prevent gelling - you can also use a mix of Kerosene and Diesel, say 50-50 or so, YMMV, but Kerosene is really spendy stuff... You can also use an additive to prevent gelling, but I have never had problems putting a gallon of that really bad smelling stuff called gasoline... ;) unlike octane ratings I know of no requirement to post the provided Cetane rating... adding gasoline to Diesel results in thinning, but also a more rapid burn, so be careful not to add too much or you'll melt pistons... don't lug it when using gas as a thinner... there is often a note on the brand names that say up to 5% bioDiesel. bioDiesel lowers mileage and energy... typically... unless it's made from the really good stuff... which isn't usually the case. the Ultra low sulfur fuel can be a concern for lubricity... I think that's why they are mixing in some bioDiesel, from what I've read BioDiesel has greater lubricity than regular Diesel. California got their chops busted when they pulled sulfur from the fuel and wiped out a bunch of big rig's pumps... selfish plug: amsoil sells some fine fuel additives and conditioners, one of the products is called cetane boost, the link in my sig file will get you to the info, sales pitch and an opportunity to purchase and provide a tired old webmaster some lunch money... ;) - -o|o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us On Mon, 7 Nov 2011, Greg Fiorentino wrote: # One of my mechanics swears that some diesel brands yield significantly # better economy than others. My wife subscribes to this theory also. Based # on recent unscientific and statistically insignificant tests, I am beginning # to think this may be so. # # # # Do any of you experienced dieselers care to weigh in on this sure-to-be # controversial topic? # # # # Greg # ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
Jim Cathey wrote: I'm thinking a 20HP diesel with maybe 100HP of electric motor. The diesel needn't be a turbo, but if it's more efficient on the highway with one then it should have it. Battery pack relatively small, would only take you a few miles on its own. I was thinking maybe 15-17hp Kubota 3 cyl with turbo or other power mod. Lots of beat up garden tractors with perfectly good little Kubota engines under the hood, and now's the season to buy one. I think it would be an awesome way to power a rural mail carrier's vehicle. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1978?
On 16/11/2011 6:42 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Zeniths, and part of my strong distaste for carbs BUT a 220Sb with dual solexes would do 18 MPG. Larry may know more, But I'd guess an M130 with the zeniths tossed in favor of webers could be tuned to do 18 MPG. I tuned a 10 MPG truck once to get 15-16 on the road. I only changed the jetting. But then I can take a 6-8 mpg truck and get 100 MPG with it (with NO physical changes) Just a difference of driving style. My father had a 67 Ford (actually it was branded a Mercury but you folks south of the border did not have those ) pickup that came with a 352 cid V8 that got rather poor mileage. In its later life, he swapped in a 240 cid inline 6 and got 25 mpg gallon with it. A 3 on the tree standard tranny. It would cruise on the highway in a great manner but lacked the basic umph to get itself out of a hole if you loaded it down. I assume that was an issue of the gear ratio in the rear axle. He was happy to swap the low gear pulling power for the higher mileage but it was something one needed to remember before backing into a gravel pit and filling the box. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1978?
It would make for a hot little car I should think if done right but I wonder how the rear end would hold up? Also wonder what the weight difference would be between the original engine and the 8? Would not want to spend the sort of money necessary to put aluminum heads etc on it, at least not immediately. Randy On 16/11/2011 8:39 PM, OK Don wrote: Sounds like a good use for that SBC -- On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Ok, sacrilage maybe, but would a SBC fit under the hood in a 78 123 coupe without huge issues? My recollection is that these old inline 6 MB engines were thirsty without being all that powerful. Randy who has a 350 4 bolt main block etc in the garage with no immediate purpose ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 4matics?
Forgive me please, as I know I am all over the place on my thoughts about vehicles. I was recently thinking about Buicks, and then about a 78 MB gasser, that I have yet to go and look at, but would like to this weekend. Now, I am wondering, if one was inclined toward and all wheel drive model, what would one look for? Are some better than others? Are the early ones to be avoided? Should one look at SUV vs sedan, etc.? I am here in the great white north and if I was to drive one beyond summer, I should consider all wheel drive. I don't want it broken half the time and I don't wish to be broken myself by the cost of repairs either. What is the collective wisdom on 4matics? Randy who has no place to park another one right now anyway (but never let small things like that stop him before) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Petrol Prices
You're assuming people are reasonable. I'd bet you $5 my in-laws called for oil a month ago when we had our first cold snap. They do it EVERY year. I watch for the big price drop in July and fill up... -Curt Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:09:52 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Petrol Prices Message-ID: m14ny38k4v@140-182-148-180.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: That fuel supplies get tighter in the heating season is the line they feed us, but I doubt that fuel oil usage has increased over the past 40 years. Used to be a lot of oil heat. Now it is virtually gone, except in the East where the ground is too rocky to run gas pipes. Yeah always seemed a little fishy to me also. If you have an oil furnace, and you *know* prices are high in the fall, wouldn't you fill your tanks in the summer? How often do you need to fill? If it's monthly or more I guess there's no avoiding it. If you fill once a season, wouldn't you buy when it's cheap? -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4matics?
I don't know which years we are talking about, but the early 4matics were very good when they were working and very expensive to fix when they quit working, which was often. The later ones are much simpler and more reliable, I think with three open differentials. I hope the system can apply brakes as needed, otherwise a 3 diff car can get stuck if any one of the wheels is on ice. All the W210s are the reliable sort AFAIK. I sent a local (to me) ad for a E320 4matic to the list in a while back, I think it was $4k for a 125,000 mile car. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler
At speed, in neutral with engine shut down - noise persists. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:31 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Disconnect speedo cable at transmission. Manfred Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:38:16 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler The entie cluster was disconnected - noise persisted. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [db] Diesel Fuel Differences?
Cetane refers to the fuel's ability to combust under compression. Rather like the exact opposite of octane. As far as I know centane is not directly related to the BTU content of the fuel itself. It is the BTU content of the fuel itself which decides the mileage you'll get. -Curt Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:46:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman jsl...@sbcglobal.net To: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net, john j...@wagoneers.com Cc: diesel-b...@digest.net, 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] [db] Diesel Fuel Differences? Message-ID: 1320709592.34318.yahoomailclas...@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sure, but I would assume that Greg was referring to same time of year, etc. so you would be able to ignore blending discrepancies. So, how do we find cetane ratings? And just what does cause the differences in color between some distributors?? Poorer quality? I see no notices on pumps around here about blending with biodiesel. Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Micro$oft Bah Humbug
Yeah, but I can't see throwing out good laser printers. There are a few Cretans using some of them that are still using winders. I have not bought a printer in maybe 8 years. The cheap little Samsung/Lexmark that I mainly use has been a workhorse. One is a sharp copier that doubles as a printer. One is a multipurpose machine that is in my remote office shared with winders users. None are HPs. I gave up on them after the LWI, LWII toner got to be more than the price of a new printer. I had one later HP that crapped out. Maybe stop buying winders only printers? Just a thought... Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD On Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:30 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I can't justify the expense/hassle of running a licensing server when all I really need is the ability to print from macs on winders only printers. and on occasion, run a program that I can't get on Mac. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] viola, max heat at all temp settings resolved
Some of you may remember that I have been having ACC/heat issues in my '84 300D for the last 2-3 years. The problem was that I would get max heat at all of the ACC PBU temperature wheel settings. I had previously switched out the monovalve inserts, the ACC Push Button Units, and the ACC Temperature Coltrollers (the electronic module up behind the glove box) individually from my brother's '85 300TD to the 300D when I was at his place last year and that didn't seem to change the odd behavior in the 300D. The only thing I can think of is that I may not have allowed the car to warm up sufficiently enough and/or didn't allow enough time for things to equilibrate. I then resoldered the PC boards in both the ACC Push Button Unit, and the ACC Temperature Coltroller from the 300D and this didn't help. Since purchasing my brother's 300TD, I switched out the monovalve inserts, the ACC Push Button Units, and the ACC Temperature Coltrollers individually again from the '85 300TD to the 300D and found that the ACC Temperature Coltroller from the 300D was apparently the culprit. Since I spent so much time messin' around with the PC board of the ACC Temperature Controller from the 300D, a component or two on the board must've gone south, so I purchased a used ACC Temperature Coltroller and viola the heat is now controllable with the ACC PBU temperature wheel settings. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4matics?
On 17/11/2011 12:14 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: I don't know which years we are talking about, but the early 4matics were very good when they were working and very expensive to fix when they quit working, which was often. The later ones are much simpler and more reliable, I think with three open differentials. I hope the system can apply brakes as needed, otherwise a 3 diff car can get stuck if any one of the wheels is on ice. All the W210s are the reliable sort AFAIK. I sent a local (to me) ad for a E320 4matic to the list in a while back, I think it was $4k for a 125,000 mile car. Mitch. I would think that traction control would be a function of the ABS system which all of the later model cars must have? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Micro$oft Bah Humbug
So couldn't you use an older and essentially free or real cheap, winders machine in a network as the printer controller and send anything from anything to it for printing? Randy On 17/11/2011 1:36 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Yeah, but I can't see throwing out good laser printers. There are a few Cretans using some of them that are still using winders. I have not bought a printer in maybe 8 years. The cheap little Samsung/Lexmark that I mainly use has been a workhorse. One is a sharp copier that doubles as a printer. One is a multipurpose machine that is in my remote office shared with winders users. None are HPs. I gave up on them after the LWI, LWII toner got to be more than the price of a new printer. I had one later HP that crapped out. Maybe stop buying winders only printers? Just a thought... Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD On Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:30 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I can't justify the expense/hassle of running a licensing server when all I really need is the ability to print from macs on winders only printers. and on occasion, run a program that I can't get on Mac. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Micro$oft Bah Humbug
On Nov 16, 2011, at 10:12 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Rant warning So once again, I should have just wiped the drive and started over. Save time! Save money! Wipe M$ off your hard drive. Call up LUooie Don(or your favorite LU) and get the pooop on the hottest distro Dieselkopf, MCSE, MCT Microsoft Certified several other things. Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Awh just get a mac. Ack! That trades the phone-home for a whole pile of we know better than you. Shut up! issues. I like competition because it means there are choices. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler
With the Speedo cable disconnected? I think they are speculating it is the rotation of the cable from the transmission in its flexible shaft, which will be rotating at the same speed whether or not the engine or instruments are engaged. Best, Tim On Nov 17, 2011 1:23 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: At speed, in neutral with engine shut down - noise persists. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:31 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Disconnect speedo cable at transmission. Manfred Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:38:16 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler The entie cluster was disconnected - noise persisted. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
Jim Cathey wrote: The 'correct' hybrid has a diesel engine sized to move the vehicle down the road at highway speed, fully loaded and with a few ponies to spare, and sufficient battery capacity to handle normal acceleration and regenerative braking needs. And, obviously, sufficient electric motorage to give the desired driveability characteristics. Ding! Ding! Ding! _That_ is a winner. From the view of an engineer trying to solve the stated problem. I've been muttering about it for years now. Too bad it's the marketing and politicing that actually determines what gets built. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
I read a rather lengthy article about the Benz engineers who analyzed a diesel hybrid and determined that the difference in the cost of the diesel engine, performance, etc. would not be as economical as a gasser. Damn physics. I think I posted it at one point. --R On 11/17/11 3:21 PM, Fmiser wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: The 'correct' hybrid has a diesel engine sized to move the vehicle down the road at highway speed, fully loaded and with a few ponies to spare, and sufficient battery capacity to handle normal acceleration and regenerative braking needs. And, obviously, sufficient electric motorage to give the desired driveability characteristics. Ding! Ding! Ding! _That_ is a winner. From the view of an engineer trying to solve the stated problem. I've been muttering about it for years now. Too bad it's the marketing and politicing that actually determines what gets built. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler
The noise is definitely coming from the front, and not from the cable, which was disconnected from the speedometer and monitored during the test drive. The noise is solely caused by wind/air, which makes it particularly difficult to track down the exact source. Thanks for all your interest. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: With the Speedo cable disconnected? I think they are speculating it is the rotation of the cable from the transmission in its flexible shaft, which will be rotating at the same speed whether or not the engine or instruments are engaged. Best, Tim On Nov 17, 2011 1:23 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: At speed, in neutral with engine shut down - noise persists. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:31 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Disconnect speedo cable at transmission. Manfred Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:38:16 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler The entie cluster was disconnected - noise persisted. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4matics?
Randy Bennell wrote: I would think that traction control would be a function of the ABS system which all of the later model cars must have? I looked it up (on wiki, for whatever that's worth). The 2nd generation system as found on the 210 series had 3 nice reliable open diffs, with ASR function and automatic full braking incorporated into the ABS. I always wondered about that auto braking. If you jab hard enough at the brake pedal to let the system think you might be in an emergency, it puts the brakes on full for you. I still think it sounds like a good way to go spinning out of control when the guy behind you pegs your back bumper at speed. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler
On 17/11/2011 2:30 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: The noise is definitely coming from the front, and not from the cable, which was disconnected from the speedometer and monitored during the test drive. The noise is solely caused by wind/air, which makes it particularly difficult to track down the exact source. Thanks for all your interest. So, does it sound like the noise is inside or ourside? Based upon what you have said so far, I am assuming that you think the noise is coming from somewhere near the firewall, either under the hood, or under the dash or from the outide near the wipers etc. You said it shows up intermittently at low speeds and continues at higher speeds. It is not clear to me if it is constant at speeds above 20 mph but I assume so. You don't say if the speed of the clicking increases with the speed of the vehicle. Do I assume not? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
'My thought, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hybrids Jim Cathey wrote: The 'correct' hybrid has a diesel engine sized to move the vehicle down the road at highway speed, fully loaded and with a few ponies to spare, and sufficient battery capacity to handle normal acceleration and regenerative braking needs. And, obviously, sufficient electric motorage to give the desired driveability characteristics. Ding! Ding! Ding! _That_ is a winner. From the view of an engineer trying to solve the stated problem. I've been muttering about it for years now. Too bad it's the marketing and politicing that actually determines what gets built. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no ethanol
...The ONLY difference between one brand of gas or diesel and another is the additive package - which includes any ethanol and/or biodiesel. That is also what colors the fuel. The feedstocks have been standardized. They dispense the appropriate additive at the Terminal depending on which retail station is buying the fuel (BP, Marathon, whatever). Each company maintains their own supply of additive at each terminal under lock and key... Which is why the premium gasoline (Chevron) at my card-op station contains no ethanol. It's the choice of the aware owner of the business. RLE/Seattle ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Micro$oft Bah Humbug
How to Use a Printer Attached to a Windows XP Computer in Mac OS X ... The process falls into these five general steps: On Windows: Make sure you have a working printer set up on your Windows XP computer (this is not covered here). On Windows: Install the software needed to emulate a Postscript printer and redirect printing ports On Windows: Set up an emulated Postscript printer on Windows XP that will actually print to the (probably non-Postscript) printer set up in step one. On Windows: Set up Unix LPR Printer Services on Windows XP that will point to the emulated Postscript printer in step three that in turn points to the real printer in step one. On Mac OS X: Set up an LPR over IP printer in Mac OS X pointing to your Windows XP computer.snip Detailed instructions here: http://blog.iharder.net/2011/01/25/share-a-windows-printer-with-a-mac/#step1 Gerry On Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:30 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I can't justify the expense/hassle of running a licensing server when all I really need is the ability to print from macs on winders only printers. and on occasion, run a program that I can't get on Mac. ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
If you are going up a long grade such as Donner Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you make it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full load? Gerry From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net The 'correct' hybrid has a diesel engine sized to move the vehicle down the road at highway speed, fully loaded and with a few ponies to spare, and sufficient battery capacity to handle normal acceleration and regenerative braking needs. And, obviously, sufficient electric motorage to give the desired driveability characteristics. Not REV, not a big diesel with a little electric motor. Not a gasser of any sort. The batteries are the most evil part of a hybrid, you want to minimize them. Average drive power is all fuel, all peak needs met electrically. HVAC completely traditional, driven off the diesel. Diesel can stop at lights, if the battery charge is sufficient and you have a coolant circulation pump ala MB to heat during stops from residual engine heat. Motor will start if cabin starts to cool. (Webasto-style fueled heater even better, but is a bit on the expensive side. Will forgo. Must use diesel waste heat rather than fuel when available, anyway.) I'm thinking a 20HP diesel with maybe 100HP of electric motor. The diesel needn't be a turbo, but if it's more efficient on the highway with one then it should have it. Battery pack relatively small, would only take you a few miles on its own. _That_, in AWD sedan form, I might buy. Provided it had a traditional fail-safe key switch and no stupid shrubbery on the dash. And got an honest 60 MPG. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 ACC PBUs
There is no foam tube in a W124, but the suction blower can go bad, or fall off the plastic pipe. The blower is behind the right hand side dash vent. Test by seeing if a bit of tissue paper will stay put on the temp sensor grille beside the sunroof switch. The early units are NOT interchangeable with later ones, don't know the cut-off excactly, but the temp sensors are different and so is the wiring. I'll look in the FSM, the are listed, I think. I would check the temp sensors for correct resistance at the plug, it's possible you have one gone wonky so that the PBCU gets a hot air in the duct signal. Usually the evaporator sensor or the heat exchanger sensor, both accessable without major disassembly. Peter On Nov 17, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Allan Streib wrote: Wandering or inappropriate temperature can be caused by disintegration of the foam tube that draws interior air from the little intake on top of the dash or ceiling, depending on model. Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: So, the '87 300D's climate control is acting up. (Symptom: Mode buttons and fan speed control buttons work as designed, but temperature control comes and goes: sometimes it works fine, and sometimes the vents just blow cold air regardless of the dial setting.) Does anyone know the functional difference(s) between gas and diesel 124 climate control PBUs? I would love to be able to swap in the unit from the '86 300E to see what happens, but not if it's going to blow something up. I see that they have different part numbers in the EPC, but that doesn't always mean anything. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
Cajon? Between San Berdu (Bernardino) and Victorville? 'Reminds me: I was going down Cajon Pass on a rainy, very foggy early Sat. afternoon in about late Jan '78, when suddenly coming toward me in the opposite, up-hill direction with an altitude above ground of about 50 feet, at most, was a WW II fighter aircraft, maybe Wildcat, Hellcat, etc. Most of what I remember seeing was prop; lotsa noise; gone in a flash. All I could do was duck; 'musta helped; I kept going, and he did, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hybrids If you are going up a long grade such as Donner Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you make it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full load? Gerry From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net The 'correct' hybrid has a diesel engine sized to move the vehicle down the road at highway speed, fully loaded and with a few ponies to spare, and sufficient battery capacity to handle normal acceleration and regenerative braking needs. And, obviously, sufficient electric motorage to give the desired driveability characteristics. Not REV, not a big diesel with a little electric motor. Not a gasser of any sort. The batteries are the most evil part of a hybrid, you want to minimize them. Average drive power is all fuel, all peak needs met electrically. HVAC completely traditional, driven off the diesel. Diesel can stop at lights, if the battery charge is sufficient and you have a coolant circulation pump ala MB to heat during stops from residual engine heat. Motor will start if cabin starts to cool. (Webasto-style fueled heater even better, but is a bit on the expensive side. Will forgo. Must use diesel waste heat rather than fuel when available, anyway.) I'm thinking a 20HP diesel with maybe 100HP of electric motor. The diesel needn't be a turbo, but if it's more efficient on the highway with one then it should have it. Battery pack relatively small, would only take you a few miles on its own. _That_, in AWD sedan form, I might buy. Provided it had a traditional fail-safe key switch and no stupid shrubbery on the dash. And got an honest 60 MPG. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: If you are going up a long grade such as Donner Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you make it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full load? Only very slowly. This is the problem with all super-economy vehicles, whether they are hybrids, pure EVs, whatever. They fail in the edge cases. But for a lot of folks that's a rare enough exception that they won't worry about it. I wouldn't. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
Gerry Archer wrote: If you are going up a long grade such as Donner Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you make it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full load? About 1/3 as fast as you could with a 60hp engine. That is where 'simplicate and add lightness' is an important engineering goal. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
What is the horsepower rating for the early VW Jetta diesels - non turbo? One of my former neighbors was a VW Jetta lover. He had 2 or 3 of them when he lived accross the lane. A very frugal fellow. An accountant by profession and German by background so the Jetta was an obvious response. One of them was a normally aspirated Jetta with about 250K miles on it if my memory serves reasonably accurate. This was a number of years back so I might be a bit out but the general story is accurate. They drove it from Winnipeg to Vancouver Island, through the Rockies, fully loaded with he, his wife, at least 2 small children and associated baggage and pulling a fold out camper trailer. He wanted a newer and better camper but could not find another that was as small or light weight as the one he had. The canvas was getting bad on it but the car could not pull anything heavier in his opinion. He said that he was down to about 40 kph by the time he crested hills but it kept on going. Good thing they were not run down from behind. Randy On 17/11/2011 5:00 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: If you are going up a long grade such as Donner Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you make it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full load? Gerry From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net The 'correct' hybrid has a diesel engine sized to move the vehicle down the road at highway speed, fully loaded and with a few ponies to spare, and sufficient battery capacity to handle normal acceleration and regenerative braking needs. And, obviously, sufficient electric motorage to give the desired driveability characteristics. Not REV, not a big diesel with a little electric motor. Not a gasser of any sort. The batteries are the most evil part of a hybrid, you want to minimize them. Average drive power is all fuel, all peak needs met electrically. HVAC completely traditional, driven off the diesel. Diesel can stop at lights, if the battery charge is sufficient and you have a coolant circulation pump ala MB to heat during stops from residual engine heat. Motor will start if cabin starts to cool. (Webasto-style fueled heater even better, but is a bit on the expensive side. Will forgo. Must use diesel waste heat rather than fuel when available, anyway.) I'm thinking a 20HP diesel with maybe 100HP of electric motor. The diesel needn't be a turbo, but if it's more efficient on the highway with one then it should have it. Battery pack relatively small, would only take you a few miles on its own. _That_, in AWD sedan form, I might buy. Provided it had a traditional fail-safe key switch and no stupid shrubbery on the dash. And got an honest 60 MPG. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca writes: What is the horsepower rating for the early VW Jetta diesels - non turbo? 52? 48? Something in that neighborhood. He said that he was down to about 40 kph by the time he crested hills but it kept on going. Just think, they also put that motor in a Vanagon. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
I object, to the whole load of echotrash that is pushed down or up our respective orifices. The entire hybrid industry is driven by government subsidy and self serving regulation. NO hybrid vehicle, if you truly look at the support industries that are necessary to produce and maintain it, is non pollution. Further, if you add up all the hybrid cars in the entire world today or even add in every one produced and sold in the next 10 years, the total carbon footprint saved would not offset ONE trip of a fully loaded cargo container ship from China to USA and return. All the while we are doing all the feel good cause we are green and spending billions to do it, we are shipping jobs and industries to third world countries that don't give a damn about a little chemical spill or exhaust emissions that literally choke you because it's easier and more profitable to do that than it is to go green to meet some asinine EPA regulation or the EU equivalent. If we truly want to go green, stop cutting down trees and start planting more crops to breathe in the CO2 and scrub the atmosphere. If I go to Europe and drive a car, most likely it's a diesel and most likely it gets over 40 mpg... yet I can't buy that same care in USA? Instead, I get a chevy volt or a Prius that barely pulls out of the driveway under it's own power, costs $70,000 in real dollars to own and support. I'm not drinking all this go green coolaid Rant over. Grant... AZ On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: If you are going up a long grade such as Donner Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you make it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full load? Gerry From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net The 'correct' hybrid has a diesel engine sized to move the vehicle down the road at highway speed, fully loaded and with a few ponies to spare, and sufficient battery capacity to handle normal acceleration and regenerative braking needs. And, obviously, sufficient electric motorage to give the desired driveability characteristics. Not REV, not a big diesel with a little electric motor. Not a gasser of any sort. The batteries are the most evil part of a hybrid, you want to minimize them. Average drive power is all fuel, all peak needs met electrically. HVAC completely traditional, driven off the diesel. Diesel can stop at lights, if the battery charge is sufficient and you have a coolant circulation pump ala MB to heat during stops from residual engine heat. Motor will start if cabin starts to cool. (Webasto-style fueled heater even better, but is a bit on the expensive side. Will forgo. Must use diesel waste heat rather than fuel when available, anyway.) I'm thinking a 20HP diesel with maybe 100HP of electric motor. The diesel needn't be a turbo, but if it's more efficient on the highway with one then it should have it. Battery pack relatively small, would only take you a few miles on its own. _That_, in AWD sedan form, I might buy. Provided it had a traditional fail-safe key switch and no stupid shrubbery on the dash. And got an honest 60 MPG. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
I Agree with total rant below. If I ride my bike all summer around town instead of driving for short trips I'll do more then any hybrid. This reminds me of something that happened at church a couple years ago. Everyone was chatting after service and wanted what we could do as a faith community to promote love for mother earth. I suggested everyone who could resonably walk to church walk to church when the weather allowed. People looked at me like I had two heads. Some one else wanted to plant a garden. we ended up plantign a flower garden. Peter On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:00 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I object, to the whole load of echotrash that is pushed down or up our respective orifices. The entire hybrid industry is driven by government subsidy and self serving regulation. NO hybrid vehicle, if you truly look at the support industries that are necessary to produce and maintain it, is non pollution. Further, if you add up all the hybrid cars in the entire world today or even add in every one produced and sold in the next 10 years, the total carbon footprint saved would not offset ONE trip of a fully loaded cargo container ship from China to USA and return. All the while we are doing all the feel good cause we are green and spending billions to do it, we are shipping jobs and industries to third world countries that don't give a damn about a little chemical spill or exhaust emissions that literally choke you because it's easier and more profitable to do that than it is to go green to meet some asinine EPA regulation or the EU equivalent. If we truly want to go green, stop cutting down trees and start planting more crops to breathe in the CO2 and scrub the atmosphere. If I go to Europe and drive a car, most likely it's a diesel and most likely it gets over 40 mpg... yet I can't buy that same care in USA? Instead, I get a chevy volt or a Prius that barely pulls out of the driveway under it's own power, costs $70,000 in real dollars to own and support. I'm not drinking all this go green coolaid Rant over. Grant... AZ On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: If you are going up a long grade such as Donner Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you make it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full load? Gerry From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net The 'correct' hybrid has a diesel engine sized to move the vehicle down the road at highway speed, fully loaded and with a few ponies to spare, and sufficient battery capacity to handle normal acceleration and regenerative braking needs. And, obviously, sufficient electric motorage to give the desired driveability characteristics. Not REV, not a big diesel with a little electric motor. Not a gasser of any sort. The batteries are the most evil part of a hybrid, you want to minimize them. Average drive power is all fuel, all peak needs met electrically. HVAC completely traditional, driven off the diesel. Diesel can stop at lights, if the battery charge is sufficient and you have a coolant circulation pump ala MB to heat during stops from residual engine heat. Motor will start if cabin starts to cool. (Webasto-style fueled heater even better, but is a bit on the expensive side. Will forgo. Must use diesel waste heat rather than fuel when available, anyway.) I'm thinking a 20HP diesel with maybe 100HP of electric motor. The diesel needn't be a turbo, but if it's more efficient on the highway with one then it should have it. Battery pack relatively small, would only take you a few miles on its own. _That_, in AWD sedan form, I might buy. Provided it had a traditional fail-safe key switch and no stupid shrubbery on the dash. And got an honest 60 MPG. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler
If you're so sure what the answer is why do you ask the question? BTW the cable is still turning if you haven't disconnected it from the transmission. It still turns even with the engine off and the transmission in neutral. Did you pull the windshield wipers off the car? You were so sure it wasn't them. A weak spring could allow a wiper to move fractionally and make noise. You might also look for a perforation in the fender. I welded up 2 such holes on my '78 240D last weekend and a quite annoying whup whup whup noise is now gone. Air was entering the fender just behind the passenger side front wheel and I speculate when it built pressure (only sometimes) it made a noise as it exited by the passenger door. Weird and annoying. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:30:26 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler Message-ID: CAC35L=t0mqS0yAH=ojnbl5yspvom+1vnb9bgk5jxwth61ez...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The noise is definitely coming from the front, and not from the cable, which was disconnected from the speedometer and monitored during the test drive. The noise is solely caused by wind/air, which makes it particularly difficult to track down the exact source. Thanks for all your interest. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: With the Speedo cable disconnected? I think they are speculating it is the rotation of the cable from the transmission in its flexible shaft, which will be rotating at the same speed whether or not the engine or instruments are engaged. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4matics?
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I always wondered about that auto braking. If you jab hard enough at the brake pedal to let the system think you might be in an emergency, it puts the brakes on full for you. I still think it sounds like a good way to go spinning out of control when the guy behind you pegs your back bumper at speed. Once in Italy I rented a Benz with that auto braking feature, and experienced it working. A big truck pulled out in front of us, he must not have seen us. I was driving fast, it was just dawn and we were headed to the airport (last day). I kicked the brake pedal hard but didn't maintain pressure - I was panicked and instead of focusing on braking I was focusing on being terrified. This is exactly the scenario the system is designed for. Full ABS braking ensued, I steered around the truck, we slowed to about 35 mph, I was cursing the truck driver, and THEN I finally realized that the car braking beautifully and my right foot was just resting in the footwell. I'm sold on the system. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
Depends on how fast you want your top speed to be and how many gears the car has. The American people have somehow been taught that you can't go anywhere with less than 200hp. I've commuted happily all week at 62hp and my '78 240D turned in a quite respectable 31mpg. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:00:34 -0500 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hybrids Message-ID: A97FEDF38FE249FB8D102A504BB7336A@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response If you are going up a long grade such as Donner Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you make it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full load? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?
My cousin sold the VW line for a decade. According to him, the cars are great brand new, but he would advise to never buy a used one. They have very poor long term quality. He would lease the cars for his own use, but never buy them. Not worth the pain once the cascading failures set in. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Nov 16, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: MotorTrend calls the Passat TDI the sedan of the year (or some such foolishness) it was up against Camry and Sonata hybrids. -Curt Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:23:29 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] A lost cause? Message-ID: 4ec3e381.40...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 15/11/2011 5:57 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Allan Streib wrote: A modern diesel in a similar sized car will significantly better a Prius in terms of fuel economy. ...except when stopped. The hybrids excel in situations where most drivers sit idling, or where there's a lot of stop and go. Mitch. But diesels use very little at idle too which is one reason they outdo gasoline vehicles in mileage in town, if I am not mistaken. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Micro$oft Bah Humbug
Linux rides on all the old former M$ garbage I deal with. I tried to set up a two year old box as media pc. Had their OE install disks, but no way the codes wanted to work. Call and get the run around, but still got a code out of them. It does not work. Call back and get told I need to purchase a whole new box of win7. No way, I want the old stuff that sort of worked. Not going to happen. Been linux all the way since then. Or I make a hackintosh out of the thing if it is enough within spec for OS X clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Nov 16, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Rant warning rant I tried to resurrect a 2003 server that has been dormant for a few years. Had it running a few times, and then it pops up that it has to be authorized or shut down. So, it won't connect because the network card does not have the right settings. Then I call in, and get a code. Put the code in and it says invalid code. Then Sunil (David) says I have to call server support. I call server support and the first guy hangs up on me. Call back and get a lady who says this number (server support) is only for consumers (desktops) and I have to call the same number for server support. I complained that that is how I ended up talking to her. So in a few minutes, she gets another guy on the line and he says I have to call back tomorrow during business hours. All this crap because M believes that if you have their bloated goofy OS, you stole it. (of course the fact that you paid them thousands does not enter the scenario. So if anyone asks why I don't want M$ software anymore, here is the answer. Winders 2000 was a almost good OS. If they had completed it before release, I'd say it was one of the best OS, other than being bloated. Now I just call it the best OS M$ ever released. This phone home authentication crap is just that. Horse pitutie! /rant So once again, I should have just wiped the drive and started over. Save time! Save money! Wipe M$ off your hard drive. Call up LUooie Don(or your favorite LU) and get the pooop on the hottest distro Dieselkopf, MCSE, MCT Microsoft Certified several other things. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler
andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: At speed, in neutral with engine shut down - noise persists. A bad speedo cable would still be making noise in that scenario, because if still connected at the transmission end, it turns with the drive shaft. Between the hood and the windshield are two grills; could one of those be loose? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?
clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net writes: My cousin sold the VW line for a decade. According to him, the cars are great brand new, but he would advise to never buy a used one. They have very poor long term quality. He would lease the cars for his own use, but never buy them. Not worth the pain once the cascading failures set in. Which decade? The cars sold around 2000 and forward had that reputation. You didn't want to own one after the warranty expired. I had a '91 Jetta for about 10 years and it was pretty trouble-free. Had one or two minor issues along the way, but nothing that ever left me stranded or cost very much to repair. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Micro$oft Bah Humbug
OR get a fancy router that has print server abilities. If the winders printers are USB, you should be able to hook up just fine. I think HP or somebody made parallel port print servers that hook to 10-base clay On Nov 17, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: So couldn't you use an older and essentially free or real cheap, winders machine in a network as the printer controller and send anything from anything to it for printing? Randy On 17/11/2011 1:36 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Yeah, but I can't see throwing out good laser printers. There are a few Cretans using some of them that are still using winders. I have not bought a printer in maybe 8 years. The cheap little Samsung/Lexmark that I mainly use has been a workhorse. One is a sharp copier that doubles as a printer. One is a multipurpose machine that is in my remote office shared with winders users. None are HPs. I gave up on them after the LWI, LWII toner got to be more than the price of a new printer. I had one later HP that crapped out. Maybe stop buying winders only printers? Just a thought... Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD On Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:30 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I can't justify the expense/hassle of running a licensing server when all I really need is the ability to print from macs on winders only printers. and on occasion, run a program that I can't get on Mac. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
Have a friend who bought a Nissan Leaf (all electric) for his wife to drive to work because electrics were allowed in the bus lanes. Everything was fine, great mileage, faster commute trip, no problems until the local authorities barred electrics from the bus lane. Car never made it to work and back after that. Last I heard he and a few other electric car drivers were petitioning the county to let them charge up while at work where county electric vehicles charged up. Gerry I object, to the whole load of echotrash that is pushed down or up our respective orifices. The entire hybrid industry is driven by government subsidy and self serving regulation. NO hybrid vehicle, if you truly look at the support industries that are necessary to produce and maintain it, is non pollution. Further, if you add up all the hybrid cars in the entire world today or even add in every one produced and sold in the next 10 years, the total carbon footprint saved would not offset ONE trip of a fully loaded cargo container ship from China to USA and return. All the while we are doing all the feel good cause we are green and spending billions to do it, we are shipping jobs and industries to third world countries that don't give a damn about a little chemical spill or exhaust emissions that literally choke you because it's easier and more profitable to do that than it is to go green to meet some asinine EPA regulation or the EU equivalent. If we truly want to go green, stop cutting down trees and start planting more crops to breathe in the CO2 and scrub the atmosphere. If I go to Europe and drive a car, most likely it's a diesel and most likely it gets over 40 mpg... yet I can't buy that same care in USA? Instead, I get a chevy volt or a Prius that barely pulls out of the driveway under it's own power, costs $70,000 in real dollars to own and support. I'm not drinking all this go green coolaid Rant over. Grant... AZ On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: If you are going up a long grade such as Donner Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you make it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full load? Gerry From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net The 'correct' hybrid has a diesel engine sized to move the vehicle down the road at highway speed, fully loaded and with a few ponies to spare, and sufficient battery capacity to handle normal acceleration and regenerative braking needs. And, obviously, sufficient electric motorage to give the desired driveability characteristics. Not REV, not a big diesel with a little electric motor. Not a gasser of any sort. The batteries are the most evil part of a hybrid, you want to minimize them. Average drive power is all fuel, all peak needs met electrically. HVAC completely traditional, driven off the diesel. Diesel can stop at lights, if the battery charge is sufficient and you have a coolant circulation pump ala MB to heat during stops from residual engine heat. Motor will start if cabin starts to cool. (Webasto-style fueled heater even better, but is a bit on the expensive side. Will forgo. Must use diesel waste heat rather than fuel when available, anyway.) I'm thinking a 20HP diesel with maybe 100HP of electric motor. The diesel needn't be a turbo, but if it's more efficient on the highway with one then it should have it. Battery pack relatively small, would only take you a few miles on its own. _That_, in AWD sedan form, I might buy. Provided it had a traditional fail-safe key switch and no stupid shrubbery on the dash. And got an honest 60 MPG. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4022 - Release Date: 11/17/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Card-op fuel station
RLE wrote: Which is why the premium gasoline (Chevron) at my card-op station contains no ethanol. It's the choice of the aware owner of the business. Can any one purchase fuel at card-op station? The diesel places here seem to prefer larger operators of trucks? And for diesel, I don't like to get old fuel - do they sell a lot of fuel each week? Is it a deposit basis, or do you just pay the bill each month? Anyone else use card-op? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4matics?
In 16 years with my 91 350SDL, I've used ABS only once. Approaching intersection in the rain on green light at about 55 mph, another car pulled out from the right on a red light in front of me. I got on the brakes really quick and hard and held it. With a rat-a-tat-tat pulsing sound, the car stayed straight without any side waver at all and came to a stop without hitting the offender. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4matics? Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I always wondered about that auto braking. If you jab hard enough at the brake pedal to let the system think you might be in an emergency, it puts the brakes on full for you. I still think it sounds like a good way to go spinning out of control when the guy behind you pegs your back bumper at speed. Once in Italy I rented a Benz with that auto braking feature, and experienced it working. A big truck pulled out in front of us, he must not have seen us. I was driving fast, it was just dawn and we were headed to the airport (last day). I kicked the brake pedal hard but didn't maintain pressure - I was panicked and instead of focusing on braking I was focusing on being terrified. This is exactly the scenario the system is designed for. Full ABS braking ensued, I steered around the truck, we slowed to about 35 mph, I was cursing the truck driver, and THEN I finally realized that the car braking beautifully and my right foot was just resting in the footwell. I'm sold on the system. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
Alles. My '81 diesel Rabbit and Dasher (wagon) had a whopping great 52 hp. Luke's '79 pickup had all of 48, unless it ran away, then who knows. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 11/17/2011 7:40 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca writes: What is the horsepower rating for the early VW Jetta diesels - non turbo? 52? 48? Something in that neighborhood. He said that he was down to about 40 kph by the time he crested hills but it kept on going. Just think, they also put that motor in a Vanagon. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Those pilots!
up-hill direction with an altitude above ground of about 50 feet, at most, My dad has participated in these stunts, in the ANG. He tells of the time they crested the Jackson Hole pass at about 100' in an F101. That is a _big_, loud aircraft. Scared some truckers... Great fun for the aviators. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Hybrids
If you are going up a long grade such as Donner Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you make it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full load? Sure! Can a fully loaded semi make it? I'll take a couple of slow vertical runs per year if I get 60 MPG (vs 20) generally. If I commuted over such a pass, I probably wouldn't choose such a vehicle. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
Benz engineers who analyzed a diesel hybrid and determined that the difference in the cost of the diesel engine, performance, etc. would not be as economical as a gasser. They're probably right. But there are other issues, such as longevity, ease of maintenance, lack of gas that goes bad when sitting, HV electrics that break down over time, etc. Also preference for exhaust odor (I hate gas, love diesel.) And if you have outside-the-box considerations, such as what happens if you're trapped in a drift for a day or two... That diesel'll idle for days on a full tank. Screw the payback period, I'll survive and in comfort! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: [db] Diesel Fuel Differences?
Since I changed 3 things (tire pressure, TPS and Timing belt) I don't know which had the larger effect but I am taking it to the bank:-) My vote is the belt, if those stretch as they wear and age. There are other potential factors, such as fuel formulation. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
Curt wrote: The American people have somehow been taught that you can't go anywhere with less than 200hp. I've commuted happily all week at 62hp and my '78 240D turned in a quite respectable 31mpg. No Harpo? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Those pilots!
Jim wrote: Great fun for the aviators. kills them if they do it in italy. or was that the skiers that got killed in italy? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] viola, max heat at all temp settings resolved
We do like happy endings! On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:59 PM, glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: Some of you may remember that I have been having ACC/heat issues in my '84 300D for the last 2-3 years. The problem was that I would get max heat at all of the ACC PBU temperature wheel settings. I had previously switched out the monovalve inserts, the ACC Push Button Units, and the ACC Temperature Coltrollers (the electronic module up behind the glove box) individually from my brother's '85 300TD to the 300D when I was at his place last year and that didn't seem to change the odd behavior in the 300D. The only thing I can think of is that I may not have allowed the car to warm up sufficiently enough and/or didn't allow enough time for things to equilibrate. I then resoldered the PC boards in both the ACC Push Button Unit, and the ACC Temperature Coltroller from the 300D and this didn't help. Since purchasing my brother's 300TD, I switched out the monovalve inserts, the ACC Push Button Units, and the ACC Temperature Coltrollers individually again from the '85 300TD to the 300D and found that the ACC Temperature Coltroller from the 300D was apparently the culprit. Since I spent so much time messin' around with the PC board of the ACC Temperature Controller from the 300D, a component or two on the board must've gone south, so I purchased a used ACC Temperature Coltroller and viola the heat is now controllable with the ACC PBU temperature wheel settings. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler
Mystery solved. My SWMBO nailed it. From the passenger seat she swore that the noise was coming from above, such as the sunroof or roof rack. We checked, and the front roof rack crossbar was loose and rattling on one end, damaged where the knurled bracket meets the long cross bar (probably should be cemented into place). So we removed that crossbar and the noise has now gone. Who else made a similar diagnosis? On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: At speed, in neutral with engine shut down - noise persists. A bad speedo cable would still be making noise in that scenario, because if still connected at the transmission end, it turns with the drive shaft. Between the hood and the windshield are two grills; could one of those be loose? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4matics?
The 2001 ML has 4matic, and it works great. It has the three diffs and braking. The 2002 and later are supposed to have a better traction control system - that doesn't eat brake pads if you live in slippery areas. This car goes anywhere on ice, snow, etc., however, it doesn't stop any better than anything else. It also only gets an average of 21mpg. Burning premium. It does seem to be the bargin of the 21st. century MBs, as it has a reputation of high failure rates. Mine had most everything replaced by the PO before I bought it. The basic drive train seems solid, it's the accessories and fancy stuff that dies. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 17/11/2011 12:14 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: I don't know which years we are talking about, but the early 4matics were very good when they were working and very expensive to fix when they quit working, which was often. The later ones are much simpler and more reliable, I think with three open differentials. I hope the system can apply brakes as needed, otherwise a 3 diff car can get stuck if any one of the wheels is on ice. All the W210s are the reliable sort AFAIK. I sent a local (to me) ad for a E320 4matic to the list in a while back, I think it was $4k for a 125,000 mile car. Mitch. I would think that traction control would be a function of the ABS system which all of the later model cars must have? Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Those pilots!
There are old pilots, and bold pilots, but no old bold pilots. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Jim wrote: Great fun for the aviators. kills them if they do it in italy. or was that the skiers that got killed in italy? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB brakes
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I always wondered about that auto braking. If you jab hard enough at the brake pedal to let the system think you might be in an emergency, it puts the brakes on full for you. I still think it sounds like a good way to go spinning out of control when the guy behind you pegs your back bumper at speed. This is BAS (Brake Assist) and has been standard for a long time. Both my W203 and W204 used this and I have activated it a time or two. The time between gas pedal release and brake application is measured and combined with the speed of brake pedal depression, BAS is activated. http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/BAS_how.html .Once in Italy I rented a Benz with that auto braking feature, and experienced it working. A big truck pulled out in front of us, he must not have seen us. I was driving fast, it was just dawn and we were headed to the airport (last day). I kicked the brake pedal hard but didn't maintain pressure - I was panicked and instead of focusing on braking I was focusing on being terrified. This is exactly the scenario the system is designed for. Full ABS braking ensued, I steered around the truck, we slowed to about 35 mph, I was cursing the truck driver, and THEN I finally realized that the car braking beautifully and my right foot was just resting in the footwell. I'm sold on the system. What year was this and what model? Pre-safe brakes were introduced on the 2010 E-Class and Distronic (radar) brakes on the W221 S-Class a few years before that. Distronic will bring the car to a stop. The radar antenna is combined with the grill star. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] card-op
Can any one purchase fuel at card-op station? The diesel places here seem to prefer larger operators of trucks? And for diesel, I don't like to get old fuel - do they sell a lot of fuel each week? Is it a deposit basis, or do you just pay the bill each month? Anyone else use card-op?.. I've been using the same card-op station since I bought my 300D. And when they put in some gas pumps, I went back to them. They also sell diesel and bio-diesel at eye popping prices. I see a lot of mini-busses and medium sized trucks fueling up whenever I'm in there, about three times monthly. They are also in the fuel oil business so must sell a lot of diesel but mostly the regular stuff, no bio although I usually see some do-gooder Jetta driver at the bio pump, tickled to pay the price because they are doing their part, I guess. I have a card and a PIN and am billed monthly. It is open 24 hours but I don't go in after dark for obvious reasons. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Those pilots!
Don't forget, we were both in fog/clouds. Maybe he was desperate to get over the pass on a trip to Vegas; maybe figured if he were lucky enough to get over the pass, he'd be lucky enough to win big in Vegas. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Those pilots! up-hill direction with an altitude above ground of about 50 feet, at most, My dad has participated in these stunts, in the ANG. He tells of the time they crested the Jackson Hole pass at about 100' in an F101. That is a _big_, loud aircraft. Scared some truckers... Great fun for the aviators. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Petrol Prices
There was an excellent article in the WSJ today about a pipeline between OK and TX coast, and that its flow is being reversed to take oil to the coast from OK where there is a large supply at a lower cost than world average. This announcement has driven up crude prices. The article also mentions that 15% of US-refined gasoline is being exported, and diesel too, to take advantage of higher prices. This oil will be refined on the coast and exported. US imports have been declining with increased domestic production. This move affects the viability of the Keystone pipeline deal as well (I will not even get into that whole deal, I leave it as an exercise for the informed). A very interesting article, I tried to get it online but it is behind the paywall http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203611404577041941864856270.html Maybe someone has an online subscription. Bottom line is that our prices are inflated because of these other goings-on, despite a strong supply and lower-than-world-price domestic supplies. As an editorial comment, this is devastating: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204323904577040430486060086.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read -- offered without personal comment. This stuff is distressing. --R On 11/16/11 10:24 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Craigdiese...@pisquared.net writes: I was planning on writing an email about this tonight. Over the last few months, our gasoline prices have inched downward and our diesel prices have inched upward. Is that so consumers will feel good about cheap gasoline, but not see the increased diesel prices because they are hidden in the cost of goods and the goods manufacturers and sellers will be blamed? Or is it because winter is approaching and people are stocking up on heating oil? Or is it because someone is jigging the futures prices? The rationale I've heard is that with current refining technology, it's possible to get a lot more gasoline out of a barrel of oil than in the past. So years ago diesel was in some sense a waste product in the refining process, plentiful relative to demand, and therefore cheap. Cheaper than gasoline at any rate. Today, more of each barrel of crude is refined into gasoline as there is higher demand for it. Therefore, a lower supply of diesel, and higher prices. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] blocking traffic
...If you are going up a long grade such as Donner Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you make it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full load?.. Not safely. There is a lot of fast traffic on those highways, particularly the Grapevine. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler
So we removed that crossbar and the noise has now gone. Who else made a similar diagnosis? I had a similar problem. On my coupe, a PO installed an air deflector for the sunroof, the smoked plastic kind (offensive looking to me). Anytime I got over 75 or so it would thump against the roof, rhythmically. On an Italian tuneup, it finally self destructed, somewhere north of 100 mph. :^) Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Petrol Prices
I just realized, you lot are using the correct word for petrol. OMG what's next? Proper spelling of the Queens English? Or is the reason behind this because the big O is down over and bringing a load of grunts with him? Hendrik who didn't get to meet the prez Rich Thomas wrote: I think a lot (if not most) of the diesel refined here in the USA is shipped off to Yurp as they have limited refining capacity and high demand due to more diesel vehicles. Maybe a better deal for the refiners? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
That is funny, I betcha you could have cut the air with a knife until the gardening proposal saved you. Priorities. Hendrik who should do more walking and less consuming of the malt beverages Peter Hertzing wrote: I Agree with total rant below. If I ride my bike all summer around town instead of driving for short trips I'll do more then any hybrid. This reminds me of something that happened at church a couple years ago. Everyone was chatting after service and wanted what we could do as a faith community to promote love for mother earth. I suggested everyone who could resonably walk to church walk to church when the weather allowed. People looked at me like I had two heads. Some one else wanted to plant a garden. we ended up plantign a flower garden. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Hybrids
The issue is power, with the scenario of the batteries being dead and only the little Diesel chugging along, however electric motors develop a lot of torque so it should make it but very slowly. Which reminds me of many years ago when I drove a 40tonne truck with 230HP up a very steep hill and by the time I made it over the top was in 1st gear. Hendrik who only drives little trucks these days Jim Cathey wrote: If you are going up a long grade such as Donner Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you make it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full load? Sure! Can a fully loaded semi make it? I'll take a couple of slow vertical runs per year if I get 60 MPG (vs 20) generally. If I commuted over such a pass, I probably wouldn't choose such a vehicle. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Hybrids
If you are going up a long grade such as Donner Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you make it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full load? Jim Cathey wrote: Sure! Can a fully loaded semi make it? I'll take a couple of slow vertical runs per year if I get 60 MPG (vs 20) generally. If I commuted over such a pass, I probably wouldn't choose such a vehicle. Some math. Legal limit for a truck on the Interstate is 80,000 lb (36290 kg), keeping in mind that nearly every truck on the road weighs _less_ than that. A current model truck is likely to have a 400 to 600 hp (300 to 450 kW) engine. I'm picking 450 hp (335 kW) just on a whim, though there are still a a lot of sub-400 hp engines on the road. (unrelated, Cummins just announced a new 16 cylinder, 4000 hp, high-speed (1,800 RPM) engine.) Anyway, that results in 178 hp per pound. (80 hp per kg, or 108 kW per kg). Again just a gee-whiz number, I'm picking 5,000 lbs (2,250 kg) as the gvw for a loaded W123 turbo. 4,000 lb (1,800 kg) curb weight plus 1,000 lbs (450 kg) for cargo and passengers. Ignoring the fact the truck has a lot of transmission ratios to optimize the engine output to the terrain, my 300D turbo would match the truck if it had a 28 hp (21 kW) engine. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
