Re: [MBZ] 124 ACC PBUs
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: The blower is behind the right hand side dash vent. Test by seeing if a bit of tissue paper will stay put on the temp sensor grille beside the sunroof switch. Well, I may have to eat my earlier words to Allen---the blower failed the tissue-paper test. I think I changed one at one point before and found it straightforward but a real knuckle-skinner. I'll swap the one from the parts car and see what happens. I would check the temp sensors for correct resistance at the plug, it's possible you have one gone wonky so that the PBCU gets a hot air in the duct signal. Usually the evaporator sensor or the heat exchanger sensor, both accessable without major disassembly. I've tested the thermistor in the overhead console (behind the aspirator vent) before, and I know where the one for the evaporator lives (next to the evaporator!) but where and what is the heat exchanger sensor? Never heard of that one. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Hybrids
That would be 28 Peak HP so you need those 18 gears to keep the little engine exactly in BOTH it's best torque and best Horsepower sweet spot to gain max efficiency to achieve that perfect mileage. There is no free energy, it just changes form in the case of fuel, the form change is our work energy, to money, to fossil fuel, to speed/comfort/convenience. We are being, as a society, programmed to miss-think the whole equation by a few who are fixated on the little picture. Time to Man up, grow a set, drill oil wells, build refineries, make cheap fuel, buy cars that are big enough to carry your families, and slap a green whinning wenny politician just cause it feels good. If you think this all the way through, until the oil embargo of 1973 when OPEC was formed to crush western culture, [by the same folks that brought us 9/11 and a few thousand other notable social events] the world had all the oil it needed, cars were sold on Horsepower and Headroom, and a job at a car factory was for life. Since that little social event, we as a society have cowered like scared puppies, running from one legislated subsidy to the next. Remember all the energy saving programs of the 70's, anyone? All in response to the embargo current run of solandra... same group of bed wetters, responding to the same group of economic terrorist ENOUGH already !! Get a set. Grant AZ Where the diesel cars roam free... On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: If you are going up a long grade such as Donner Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you make it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full load? Jim Cathey wrote: Sure! Can a fully loaded semi make it? I'll take a couple of slow vertical runs per year if I get 60 MPG (vs 20) generally. If I commuted over such a pass, I probably wouldn't choose such a vehicle. Some math. Legal limit for a truck on the Interstate is 80,000 lb (36290 kg), keeping in mind that nearly every truck on the road weighs _less_ than that. A current model truck is likely to have a 400 to 600 hp (300 to 450 kW) engine. I'm picking 450 hp (335 kW) just on a whim, though there are still a a lot of sub-400 hp engines on the road. (unrelated, Cummins just announced a new 16 cylinder, 4000 hp, high-speed (1,800 RPM) engine.) Anyway, that results in 178 hp per pound. (80 hp per kg, or 108 kW per kg). Again just a gee-whiz number, I'm picking 5,000 lbs (2,250 kg) as the gvw for a loaded W123 turbo. 4,000 lb (1,800 kg) curb weight plus 1,000 lbs (450 kg) for cargo and passengers. Ignoring the fact the truck has a lot of transmission ratios to optimize the engine output to the terrain, my 300D turbo would match the truck if it had a 28 hp (21 kW) engine. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] viola, max heat at all temp settings resolved
the ACC Temperature Controller... was apparently the culprit. On the whole that particular unit seems to be pretty reliable. I've not had one fail. Versus _every_ associated PB unit! Congrats. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler
LOL. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.comwrote: So we removed that crossbar and the noise has now gone. Who else made a similar diagnosis? I had a similar problem. On my coupe, a PO installed an air deflector for the sunroof, the smoked plastic kind (offensive looking to me). Anytime I got over 75 or so it would thump against the roof, rhythmically. On an Italian tuneup, it finally self destructed, somewhere north of 100 mph. :^) Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Hybrids
Ignoring the fact the truck has a lot of transmission ratios to optimize the engine output to the terrain, my 300D turbo would match the truck if it had a 28 hp (21 kW) engine. Our one 1000-mile trip with the Albatross (240D automatic) was the slowest car trip I've ever taken. That car was underpowered, probably much like my idealized hybrid would be. Yet if it had gotten 60MPG it would have never left my cold dead hands! It was a nice enough vehicle, just not for me. Even my '60 Falcon had more effective power, I blame the transmission. (OK, the Unimog trip over Snoqualmie pass was slower, but 100HP and 12000# is not a great combination with a 4-speed tranny! [Many mogs have 2 granny gears and 4 road gears. Mine does.]) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Those pilots!
Don't forget, we were both in fog/clouds. Missed that, this was clear conditions. They were just having fun. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler
She's too cool to deserve that title! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:22 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Mystery solved. My SWMBO nailed it. From the passenger seat she swore that the noise was coming from above, such as the sunroof or roof rack. We checked, and the front roof rack crossbar was loose and rattling on one end, damaged where the knurled bracket meets the long cross bar (probably should be cemented into place). So we removed that crossbar and the noise has now gone. Who else made a similar diagnosis? On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: At speed, in neutral with engine shut down - noise persists. A bad speedo cable would still be making noise in that scenario, because if still connected at the transmission end, it turns with the drive shaft. Between the hood and the windshield are two grills; could one of those be loose? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 puzzler
Sweet! Did she take the jelly or the persimmons? And... did you make her pay for shipping? Glad you got it taken care of, I know how annoying random noises can be - and doubly so to SWMBOs. :) -Tim was way, way off, but nonetheless has some delicious raspberry jam in the refrig On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:22 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Mystery solved. My SWMBO nailed it. From the passenger seat she swore that the noise was coming from above, such as the sunroof or roof rack. We checked, and the front roof rack crossbar was loose and rattling on one end, damaged where the knurled bracket meets the long cross bar (probably should be cemented into place). So we removed that crossbar and the noise has now gone. Who else made a similar diagnosis? On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: At speed, in neutral with engine shut down - noise persists. A bad speedo cable would still be making noise in that scenario, because if still connected at the transmission end, it turns with the drive shaft. Between the hood and the windshield are two grills; could one of those be loose? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
Written as somebody who has obviously never been in a Prius before... Its a big car that is surprisingly quick, even by modern car standards. As far as I'm concerned the Prius (say it like a brit, PrI-us) isn't a bad car, its the green-washing thats annoying. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:00:09 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hybrids Message-ID: CANTuLYhE0gYVi6pkSie=RAFd=fuojxgsb5mqcukhnmptoaa...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 snip Instead, I get a chevy volt or a Prius that barely pulls out of the driveway under it's own power, costs $70,000 in real dollars to own and support. I'm not drinking all this go green coolaid Rant over. Grant... AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?
They are cheap cars after all. Pretty good cheap cars but cheap cars none the less. We've gotten used to a certain standard with our MBs. Back when I was planning to buy Wonko's VW I did some research and found that especially on the older ones a rebuild including rings was common around 250,000 miles. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:02:18 -0800 From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] A lost cause? Message-ID: add084bb-e36e-4d92-b6bc-d969ccc07...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii My cousin sold the VW line for a decade. According to him, the cars are great brand new, but he would advise to never buy a used one. They have very poor long term quality. He would lease the cars for his own use, but never buy them. Not worth the pain once the cascading failures set in. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
I don't understand, its not a good car now that they can't go in the bus lane? I've often thought an electric would be a good option for my wife. She only goes about 40 miles a day most days and that is in 4 separate trips. A charging station at work would solve most longer trip days too. A Zip Car option (which of course we don't have) would complete all possible scenarios. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:19:50 -0500 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hybrids Message-ID: 6E2935D0EF3A4CB2B4BEC1E8A5BCC828@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Have a friend who bought a Nissan Leaf (all electric) for his wife to drive to work because electrics were allowed in the bus lanes. Everything was fine, great mileage, faster commute trip, no problems until the local authorities barred electrics from the bus lane. Car never made it to work and back after that. Last I heard he and a few other electric car drivers were petitioning the county to let them charge up while at work where county electric vehicles charged up. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
I haven't spent any time chasing them and they haven't called me. I think the money was probably going to be a problem. Also a massive problem was my wife's business here and our house here... -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:55:09 -0600 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hybrids Message-ID: CALk3cy5exy8Ph+czSkqKSc_L14qm4KUy2x3Q8zB7G3e=88=b...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: The American people have somehow been taught that you can't go anywhere with less than 200hp. I've commuted happily all week at 62hp and my '78 240D turned in a quite respectable 31mpg. No Harpo? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
An all-electric vehicle would not be feasible for me unless it had a 100 mile usable range at night in the dead of winter. I don't think there are any that meet that yet. Allan On Friday, November 18, 2011 8:21 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't understand, its not a good car now that they can't go in the bus lane? I've often thought an electric would be a good option for my wife. She only goes about 40 miles a day most days and that is in 4 separate trips. A charging station at work would solve most longer trip days too. A Zip Car option (which of course we don't have) would complete all possible scenarios. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
Not to mention her new network has like 43 viewers. Most of them are in nursing homes and can't reach the remote. --R On 11/18/11 11:22 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I haven't spent any time chasing them and they haven't called me. I think the money was probably going to be a problem. Also a massive problem was my wife's business here and our house here... -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:55:09 -0600 From: Mountain Manmaontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hybrids Message-ID: CALk3cy5exy8Ph+czSkqKSc_L14qm4KUy2x3Q8zB7G3e=88=b...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: The American people have somehow been taught that you can't go anywhere with less than 200hp. I've commuted happily all week at 62hp and my '78 240D turned in a quite respectable 31mpg. No Harpo? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4matics?
A friend has an ML. Not sure what year but it seems to spend a lot of time being repaired. Randy On 17/11/2011 9:28 PM, OK Don wrote: The 2001 ML has 4matic, and it works great. It has the three diffs and braking. The 2002 and later are supposed to have a better traction control system - that doesn't eat brake pads if you live in slippery areas. This car goes anywhere on ice, snow, etc., however, it doesn't stop any better than anything else. It also only gets an average of 21mpg. Burning premium. It does seem to be the bargin of the 21st. century MBs, as it has a reputation of high failure rates. Mine had most everything replaced by the PO before I bought it. The basic drive train seems solid, it's the accessories and fancy stuff that dies. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 17/11/2011 12:14 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: I don't know which years we are talking about, but the early 4matics were very good when they were working and very expensive to fix when they quit working, which was often. The later ones are much simpler and more reliable, I think with three open differentials. I hope the system can apply brakes as needed, otherwise a 3 diff car can get stuck if any one of the wheels is on ice. All the W210s are the reliable sort AFAIK. I sent a local (to me) ad for a E320 4matic to the list in a while back, I think it was $4k for a 125,000 mile car. Mitch. I would think that traction control would be a function of the ABS system which all of the later model cars must have? Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] viola, max heat at all temp settings resolved
But it is voila is it not? A viola is sort of a big violin is it not? Randy On 17/11/2011 9:14 PM, OK Don wrote: We do like happy endings! On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:59 PM, glenn browng_010...@hotmail.com wrote: Some of you may remember that I have been having ACC/heat issues in my '84 300D for the last 2-3 years. The problem was that I would get max heat at all of the ACC PBU temperature wheel settings. I had previously switched out the monovalve inserts, the ACC Push Button Units, and the ACC Temperature Coltrollers (the electronic module up behind the glove box) individually from my brother's '85 300TD to the 300D when I was at his place last year and that didn't seem to change the odd behavior in the 300D. The only thing I can think of is that I may not have allowed the car to warm up sufficiently enough and/or didn't allow enough time for things to equilibrate. I then resoldered the PC boards in both the ACC Push Button Unit, and the ACC Temperature Coltroller from the 300D and this didn't help. Since purchasing my brother's 300TD, I switched out the monovalve inserts, the ACC Push Button Units, and the ACC Temperature Coltrollers individually again from the '85 300TD to the 300D and found that the ACC Temperature Coltroller from the 300D was apparently the culprit. Since I spent so much time messin' around with the PC board of the ACC Temperature Controller from the 300D, a component or two on the board must've gone south, so I purchased a used ACC Temperature Coltroller and viola the heat is now controllable with the ACC PBU temperature wheel settings. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] viola, max heat at all temp settings resolved
wallah --R On 11/18/11 11:41 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: But it is voila is it not? A viola is sort of a big violin is it not? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] viola, max heat at all temp settings resolved
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:41:27 -0600 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: But it is voila is it not? A viola is sort of a big violin is it not? Yes, or a flower, or someone's name. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Petrol Prices
On 17/11/2011 10:58 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: I just realized, you lot are using the correct word for petrol. OMG what's next? Proper spelling of the Queens English? Or is the reason behind this because the big O is down over and bringing a load of grunts with him? Hendrik who didn't get to meet the prez Rich Thomas wrote: I think a lot (if not most) of the diesel refined here in the USA is shipped off to Yurp as they have limited refining capacity and high demand due to more diesel vehicles. Maybe a better deal for the refiners? --R Hey isn't petrol some sort of odd sea bird? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
Lots of talk in the trades about how poorly her network is doing. Of course, when Rosie O'Donnell is one of your foundation shows, your expectations can't be too high. Dan who detests TV in general Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Not to mention her new network has like 43 viewers. Most of them are in nursing homes and can't reach the remote. --R On 11/18/11 11:22 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I haven't spent any time chasing them and they haven't called me. I think the money was probably going to be a problem. Also a massive problem was my wife's business here and our house here... -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:55:09 -0600 From: Mountain Manmaontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hybrids Message-ID: CALk3cy5exy8Ph+czSkqKSc_L14qm4KUy2x3Q8zB7G3e=88=b...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: The American people have somehow been taught that you can't go anywhere with less than 200hp. I've commuted happily all week at 62hp and my '78 240D turned in a quite respectable 31mpg. No Harpo? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116, noisy transmission/TC
Picked up 7 quarts of NAPA house brand Dexron ATF today. I'll use that in the first fill at least, and assuming the transmission doesn't grind itself up I may use the M1 (already purchansed) down the road. Does ATF have a shelf life? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
On 18/11/2011 11:08 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Lots of talk in the trades about how poorly her network is doing. Of course, when Rosie O'Donnell is one of your foundation shows, your expectations can't be too high. Dan who detests TV in general I like good TV but cannot tolerate the commercials so don't watch much. Wife records and fast forwards through junk but I find that disruptive. So, she watches TV and I surf the net. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids - and big truck transmissions
G Mann wrote: That would be 28 Peak HP so you need those 18 gears to keep the little engine exactly in BOTH it's best torque and best Horsepower sweet spot to gain max efficiency to achieve that perfect mileage. And if the only duty of the engine was to run the generator that powers the electric motors it _would_ be running at exactly it's sweet spot. And then, just to pick at nits, *smiles* there is hardly any big trucks on the road with an 18 speed transmission. The 18 speed's primary duty is for off-road service. 9 and 10 speed are the most common. It's not rare to find a 13 speed, and a 15 speed, though unusual, is not unheard of. Since I'm on this rabbit trail already, I'll continue... The RoadRanger type transmissions used in the big trucks today are a 5 speed main gearbox with auxiliary gearing. Using air pressure from the air brake system, there are switches on the shifter that operate solenoids to change the auxiliary gears. It can be a large ratio change (range) or a small ratio change (split). 9-speed = no splits, 5 in low range, 4 in high range 10-speed = no splits, 5 lo, 5 hi 13-speed = 5 lo, 4 hi with splits 15-speed = 5 lo with splits, 4 high 18-speed = 5 low with splits, 4 high with splits -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Hybrids
On 18/11/2011 7:43 AM, G Mann wrote: That would be 28 Peak HP so you need those 18 gears to keep the little engine exactly in BOTH it's best torque and best Horsepower sweet spot to gain max efficiency to achieve that perfect mileage. There is no free energy, it just changes form in the case of fuel, the form change is our work energy, to money, to fossil fuel, to speed/comfort/convenience. We are being, as a society, programmed to miss-think the whole equation by a few who are fixated on the little picture. Time to Man up, grow a set, drill oil wells, build refineries, make cheap fuel, buy cars that are big enough to carry your families,and slap a green whinning wenny politician just cause it feels good. When do we start? Where does the line form etc? I'm ready! Randy If you think this all the way through, until the oil embargo of 1973 when OPEC was formed to crush western culture, [by the same folks that brought us 9/11 and a few thousand other notable social events] the world had all the oil it needed, cars were sold on Horsepower and Headroom, and a job at a car factory was for life. Since that little social event, we as a society have cowered like scared puppies, running from one legislated subsidy to the next. Remember all the energy saving programs of the 70's, anyone? All in response to the embargo current run of solandra... same group of bed wetters, responding to the same group of economic terrorist ENOUGH already !! Get a set. Grant AZ Where the diesel cars roam free... On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Fmiserfmi...@gmail.com wrote: If you are going up a long grade such as Donner Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you make it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full load? Jim Cathey wrote: Sure! Can a fully loaded semi make it? I'll take a couple of slow vertical runs per year if I get 60 MPG (vs 20) generally. If I commuted over such a pass, I probably wouldn't choose such a vehicle. Some math. Legal limit for a truck on the Interstate is 80,000 lb (36290 kg), keeping in mind that nearly every truck on the road weighs _less_ than that. A current model truck is likely to have a 400 to 600 hp (300 to 450 kW) engine. I'm picking 450 hp (335 kW) just on a whim, though there are still a a lot of sub-400 hp engines on the road. (unrelated, Cummins just announced a new 16 cylinder, 4000 hp, high-speed (1,800 RPM) engine.) Anyway, that results in 178 hp per pound. (80 hp per kg, or 108 kW per kg). Again just a gee-whiz number, I'm picking 5,000 lbs (2,250 kg) as the gvw for a loaded W123 turbo. 4,000 lb (1,800 kg) curb weight plus 1,000 lbs (450 kg) for cargo and passengers. Ignoring the fact the truck has a lot of transmission ratios to optimize the engine output to the terrain, my 300D turbo would match the truck if it had a 28 hp (21 kW) engine. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
Actually I have both been in and driven a Pri`us...even took it on vacation with 4 people and luggage... 900 mi trip.. and yes .. it does preform... however, as you say the green-washing is most annoying and objectionable. The I drive a Pri`us you may kiss my ring because I'm so green, attitude. When and if your Pri`us is 35 yrs old, bring it by... I'll still be driving my MBZ and enjoying it. Previous to this Pri`us there was another, bought new 2 yrs ago.. it already started developing issues so it was traded in for a new 2011 version because the repair vs trade replace cost was nearly a wash. Grant... AZ... On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Written as somebody who has obviously never been in a Prius before... Its a big car that is surprisingly quick, even by modern car standards. As far as I'm concerned the Prius (say it like a brit, PrI-us) isn't a bad car, its the green-washing thats annoying. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:00:09 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hybrids Message-ID: CANTuLYhE0gYVi6pkSie=RAFd=fuojxgsb5mqcukhnmptoaa...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 snip Instead, I get a chevy volt or a Prius that barely pulls out of the driveway under it's own power, costs $70,000 in real dollars to own and support. I'm not drinking all this go green coolaid Rant over. Grant... AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids - and big truck transmissions
All good points. The end result, in any case is to place the engine at the ''sweet spot as much as possible, even on the heavy haul big rigs. If running a small engine at speed to run a generator worked, surly someone would be doing it now. Why not? Grant... AZ On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: G Mann wrote: That would be 28 Peak HP so you need those 18 gears to keep the little engine exactly in BOTH it's best torque and best Horsepower sweet spot to gain max efficiency to achieve that perfect mileage. And if the only duty of the engine was to run the generator that powers the electric motors it _would_ be running at exactly it's sweet spot. And then, just to pick at nits, *smiles* there is hardly any big trucks on the road with an 18 speed transmission. The 18 speed's primary duty is for off-road service. 9 and 10 speed are the most common. It's not rare to find a 13 speed, and a 15 speed, though unusual, is not unheard of. Since I'm on this rabbit trail already, I'll continue... The RoadRanger type transmissions used in the big trucks today are a 5 speed main gearbox with auxiliary gearing. Using air pressure from the air brake system, there are switches on the shifter that operate solenoids to change the auxiliary gears. It can be a large ratio change (range) or a small ratio change (split). 9-speed = no splits, 5 in low range, 4 in high range 10-speed = no splits, 5 lo, 5 hi 13-speed = 5 lo, 4 hi with splits 15-speed = 5 lo with splits, 4 high 18-speed = 5 low with splits, 4 high with splits -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids - and big truck transmissions
G Mann wrote: If running a small engine at speed to run a generator worked, surly someone would be doing it now. Why not? It is being done with 2.5L diesels and metro transit buses, I believe with battery or flywheel storage and regenerative braking. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4matics?
Pretty sure that the ML has a low range gear but the regular MB's do not. John Sent from my iPad On Nov 18, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: A friend has an ML. Not sure what year but it seems to spend a lot of time being repaired. Randy On 17/11/2011 9:28 PM, OK Don wrote: The 2001 ML has 4matic, and it works great. It has the three diffs and braking. The 2002 and later are supposed to have a better traction control system - that doesn't eat brake pads if you live in slippery areas. This car goes anywhere on ice, snow, etc., however, it doesn't stop any better than anything else. It also only gets an average of 21mpg. Burning premium. It does seem to be the bargin of the 21st. century MBs, as it has a reputation of high failure rates. Mine had most everything replaced by the PO before I bought it. The basic drive train seems solid, it's the accessories and fancy stuff that dies. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 17/11/2011 12:14 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: I don't know which years we are talking about, but the early 4matics were very good when they were working and very expensive to fix when they quit working, which was often. The later ones are much simpler and more reliable, I think with three open differentials. I hope the system can apply brakes as needed, otherwise a 3 diff car can get stuck if any one of the wheels is on ice. All the W210s are the reliable sort AFAIK. I sent a local (to me) ad for a E320 4matic to the list in a while back, I think it was $4k for a 125,000 mile car. Mitch. I would think that traction control would be a function of the ABS system which all of the later model cars must have? Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Petrol Prices
Which is the point that all the domestic oil advocates totally miss - these are multi-national companies and it's a world market. It doesn't matter if we can punp all the crude we need from under US soil - it'll wind up on the global market, and the price is determined by the global market. US oil is a thing of the past. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: There was an excellent article in the WSJ today about a pipeline between OK and TX coast, and that its flow is being reversed to take oil to the coast from OK where there is a large supply at a lower cost than world average. This announcement has driven up crude prices. The article also mentions that 15% of US-refined gasoline is being exported, and diesel too, to take advantage of higher prices. This oil will be refined on the coast and exported. US imports have been declining with increased domestic production. This stuff is distressing. --R -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
The Prius I rode in (only in town) was just fine - except for the glaring lack of clatta-clatta-clatta. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Written as somebody who has obviously never been in a Prius before... Its a big car that is surprisingly quick, even by modern car standards. As far as I'm concerned the Prius (say it like a brit, PrI-us) isn't a bad car, its the green-washing thats annoying. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:00:09 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hybrids Message-ID: CANTuLYhE0gYVi6pkSie=RAFd=fuojxgsb5mqcukhnmptoaa...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 snip Instead, I get a chevy volt or a Prius that barely pulls out of the driveway under it's own power, costs $70,000 in real dollars to own and support. I'm not drinking all this go green coolaid Rant over. Grant... AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids - and big truck transmissions
Isn't that the way ships are powered these days? Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hybrids - and big truck transmissions All good points. The end result, in any case is to place the engine at the ''sweet spot as much as possible, even on the heavy haul big rigs. If running a small engine at speed to run a generator worked, surly someone would be doing it now. Why not? Grant... AZ On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: G Mann wrote: That would be 28 Peak HP so you need those 18 gears to keep the little engine exactly in BOTH it's best torque and best Horsepower sweet spot to gain max efficiency to achieve that perfect mileage. And if the only duty of the engine was to run the generator that powers the electric motors it _would_ be running at exactly it's sweet spot. And then, just to pick at nits, *smiles* there is hardly any big trucks on the road with an 18 speed transmission. The 18 speed's primary duty is for off-road service. 9 and 10 speed are the most common. It's not rare to find a 13 speed, and a 15 speed, though unusual, is not unheard of. Since I'm on this rabbit trail already, I'll continue... The RoadRanger type transmissions used in the big trucks today are a 5 speed main gearbox with auxiliary gearing. Using air pressure from the air brake system, there are switches on the shifter that operate solenoids to change the auxiliary gears. It can be a large ratio change (range) or a small ratio change (split). 9-speed = no splits, 5 in low range, 4 in high range 10-speed = no splits, 5 lo, 5 hi 13-speed = 5 lo, 4 hi with splits 15-speed = 5 lo with splits, 4 high 18-speed = 5 low with splits, 4 high with splits -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
I have vague memories of TV, not many are fond. We don't miss it. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 18/11/2011 11:08 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Lots of talk in the trades about how poorly her network is doing. Of course, when Rosie O'Donnell is one of your foundation shows, your expectations can't be too high. Dan who detests TV in general I like good TV but cannot tolerate the commercials so don't watch much. Wife records and fast forwards through junk but I find that disruptive. So, she watches TV and I surf the net. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids - and big truck transmissions
Locomotives have been doing it for a long time -- On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:02 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: All good points. The end result, in any case is to place the engine at the ''sweet spot as much as possible, even on the heavy haul big rigs. If running a small engine at speed to run a generator worked, surly someone would be doing it now. Why not? Grant... AZ On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: G Mann wrote: That would be 28 Peak HP so you need those 18 gears to keep the little engine exactly in BOTH it's best torque and best Horsepower sweet spot to gain max efficiency to achieve that perfect mileage. And if the only duty of the engine was to run the generator that powers the electric motors it _would_ be running at exactly it's sweet spot. And then, just to pick at nits, *smiles* there is hardly any big trucks on the road with an 18 speed transmission. The 18 speed's primary duty is for off-road service. 9 and 10 speed are the most common. It's not rare to find a 13 speed, and a 15 speed, though unusual, is not unheard of. Since I'm on this rabbit trail already, I'll continue... The RoadRanger type transmissions used in the big trucks today are a 5 speed main gearbox with auxiliary gearing. Using air pressure from the air brake system, there are switches on the shifter that operate solenoids to change the auxiliary gears. It can be a large ratio change (range) or a small ratio change (split). 9-speed = no splits, 5 in low range, 4 in high range 10-speed = no splits, 5 lo, 5 hi 13-speed = 5 lo, 4 hi with splits 15-speed = 5 lo with splits, 4 high 18-speed = 5 low with splits, 4 high with splits -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4matics?
True - there is a very low range gear that you can engage - it's a planetary box behind the tranny, in front of the transfer box. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:52 PM, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Pretty sure that the ML has a low range gear but the regular MB's do not. John Sent from my iPad On Nov 18, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: A friend has an ML. Not sure what year but it seems to spend a lot of time being repaired. Randy On 17/11/2011 9:28 PM, OK Don wrote: The 2001 ML has 4matic, and it works great. It has the three diffs and braking. The 2002 and later are supposed to have a better traction control system - that doesn't eat brake pads if you live in slippery areas. This car goes anywhere on ice, snow, etc., however, it doesn't stop any better than anything else. It also only gets an average of 21mpg. Burning premium. It does seem to be the bargin of the 21st. century MBs, as it has a reputation of high failure rates. Mine had most everything replaced by the PO before I bought it. The basic drive train seems solid, it's the accessories and fancy stuff that dies. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 17/11/2011 12:14 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: I don't know which years we are talking about, but the early 4matics were very good when they were working and very expensive to fix when they quit working, which was often. The later ones are much simpler and more reliable, I think with three open differentials. I hope the system can apply brakes as needed, otherwise a 3 diff car can get stuck if any one of the wheels is on ice. All the W210s are the reliable sort AFAIK. I sent a local (to me) ad for a E320 4matic to the list in a while back, I think it was $4k for a 125,000 mile car. Mitch. I would think that traction control would be a function of the ABS system which all of the later model cars must have? Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4matics?
The PO spent a lot of money repairing mine, then sold it. I haven't spent much at all on it. Seems the water pump, radiator, and power steering pump lasted around 160,000 miles. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: A friend has an ML. Not sure what year but it seems to spend a lot of time being repaired. Randy On 17/11/2011 9:28 PM, OK Don wrote: The 2001 ML has 4matic, and it works great. It has the three diffs and braking. The 2002 and later are supposed to have a better traction control system - that doesn't eat brake pads if you live in slippery areas. This car goes anywhere on ice, snow, etc., however, it doesn't stop any better than anything else. It also only gets an average of 21mpg. Burning premium. It does seem to be the bargin of the 21st. century MBs, as it has a reputation of high failure rates. Mine had most everything replaced by the PO before I bought it. The basic drive train seems solid, it's the accessories and fancy stuff that dies. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 17/11/2011 12:14 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: I don't know which years we are talking about, but the early 4matics were very good when they were working and very expensive to fix when they quit working, which was often. The later ones are much simpler and more reliable, I think with three open differentials. I hope the system can apply brakes as needed, otherwise a 3 diff car can get stuck if any one of the wheels is on ice. All the W210s are the reliable sort AFAIK. I sent a local (to me) ad for a E320 4matic to the list in a while back, I think it was $4k for a 125,000 mile car. Mitch. I would think that traction control would be a function of the ABS system which all of the later model cars must have? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids - and big truck transmissions
Just so happens I have experience with the hybrid bus program... Yes, it is being done.. but not on a large scale, and it is only being done because of HUGE government cash being pumped into the program to support it. If it was a real market sale.. they would NEVER be put in service. As for the ships.. yes .. again... also the system used on Mining Haul Trucks [the 200 tonne per load kind].. both for the same reason... cheaper than trying to use gearboxes and transmissions. Not because it is green or more fuel efficient. There is some promising work being done on IVT.. or Infinitely Variable Transmissions.. the engine always runs in the sweet spot the foot throttle coupled with a load computer on the contact wheels, actually runs the transmission to select the speed you want from the available power... shows promise...some concept test mules have shown 90+ mpg but not here yet. Storage battery hybrids are an engineering black hole.. batteries are heavy and weigh the same charged or discharged.. .. as charge goes down, work energy available becomes less, relative load increases [ less HP avail / relative to load] ,, the harder you try to out engineer that vortex the faster you spin into darkness. Give me a blank check and 100 years and I will commit to putting I'm still working on it on your headstone. Grant... AZ On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: G Mann wrote: If running a small engine at speed to run a generator worked, surly someone would be doing it now. Why not? It is being done with 2.5L diesels and metro transit buses, I believe with battery or flywheel storage and regenerative braking. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids - and big truck transmissions
Or start a green solar company. The local bus line is looking at hybrid buses, I think they use flywheels and batteries and various other things along with maybe a CNG diesel or IC something. Anyway the cost is 4x a regular diesel bus, but a lot of people are all gaga over the possibility of spending huge amounts of money on a few of them. Oh, and maintenance costs are higher too. I think the newer diesels are actually pretty clean if they are maintained, but whatever... --R On 11/18/11 3:16 PM, G Mann wrote: Give me a blank check and 100 years and I will commit to putting I'm still working on it on your headstone. Grant... AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids - and big truck transmissions
G Mann wrote: All good points. The end result, in any case is to place the engine at the ''sweet spot as much as possible, even on the heavy haul big rigs. If running a small engine at speed to run a generator worked, surly someone would be doing it now. Why not? Well, I don't know. Maybe 'cause I'm too busy. *grin* Or - maybe because it's more politics and marketing than engineering that's driving the green market. Or it's one of those We don't want results, we want research money issues. All that said, there is a limit to the crude oil that can be extracted from the earth's crust. I think it only prudent to look for, and develop, alternatives. It's really not too hard to find oil to transesterfy into diesel - oil that can come from poultry processing, algae, etc. That is part of why I think diesel cycle engine is such a good idea. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190D 2.2 acceleration
What would you guess the 0-60 time would be for a 84 190D 2.2 auto? Kid got a ticket today for accelerating too fast getting onto the highway. Didnt even know that would be illegal. Not for not stopping at the stop sign, not for speeding, but accelerating too fast. WTF?? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 acceleration
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: What would you guess the 0-60 time would be for a 84 190D 2.2 auto? Kid got a ticket today for accelerating too fast getting onto the highway. Didnt even know that would be illegal. Not for not stopping at the stop sign, not for speeding, but accelerating too fast. WTF?? Protest and send Reggie to court with him. I thought acceleration was the whole point of getting onto the highway. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 acceleration
maybe the cop mistoke diesel smoke for burning rubber On 11/18/11, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: What would you guess the 0-60 time would be for a 84 190D 2.2 auto? Kid got a ticket today for accelerating too fast getting onto the highway. Didnt even know that would be illegal. Not for not stopping at the stop sign, not for speeding, but accelerating too fast. WTF?? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids - and big truck transmissions
Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: The local bus line is looking at hybrid buses They're running a few here. I've never seen any numbers published comparing fuel savings to the extra initial cost and whatever extra maintenance they might require. I can see the theory of regenerative braking making some sense on urban busses that are stopping and starting almost every block. I don't know how well it works in practice. Also imagine a flywheel storing the energy of bringing a bus to a stop from 30mph. I wouldn't want to be nearby if that thing ever broke apart. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 acceleration
Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: What would you guess the 0-60 time would be for a 84 190D 2.2 auto? Kid got a ticket today for accelerating too fast getting onto the highway. Didnt even know that would be illegal. Not for not stopping at the stop sign, not for speeding, but accelerating too fast. WTF?? I'd be going to court on that one. Is there actually a statute that addresses accelerating too fast? -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 acceleration
Peter Hertzing wrote: maybe the cop mistoke diesel smoke for burning rubber Heehee. This sounds about right. (for a new car, not an Okie special) I say take the car to that freeway ramp with a video camera and floor it up the ramp with the camera pointed at the gauges. 1984-1985 190D 2.2 5-speed manual 0-100km/h (0-62.1 mph) 18.4 sec top speed 97 mph 4-speed automatic 0-100km/h (0-62.1 mph) 19.1 sec top speed 94 mph ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 acceleration
Yeah, that is what they use to nail kids laying rubber and engaging in speed contests. The cop wanted to nail the kid, figured the diesel smoke was tire smoke, and tried to make a little money for the town or county or whatever. Maybe you should take the car there and have the cop test it, put an end to the foolishness right then and there. And tell the judge you don't like public employees wasting your time, your kid's time, his time, the court's time, and giving the kid a bad view of cops in general. Maybe they could work on some real crime? --R On 11/18/11 5:30 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net writes: What would you guess the 0-60 time would be for a 84 190D 2.2 auto? Kid got a ticket today for accelerating too fast getting onto the highway. Didnt even know that would be illegal. Not for not stopping at the stop sign, not for speeding, but accelerating too fast. WTF?? I'd be going to court on that one. Is there actually a statute that addresses accelerating too fast? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 acceleration
Rich Thomas wrote: tell the judge you don't like public employees wasting your time, your kid's time, his time, the court's time, and giving the kid a bad view of cops in general. Maybe they could work on some real crime? Giving the kid a bad view of cops in general is an important public service, after the public schools try to brainwash little kids into thinking the man in blue is a friend to you. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 acceleration
See 'em in court. Didn't know it was even possible to accelerate too fast onto a freeway, 'less you're 'bout to run over a vehicle in front of you. Object of the exercise is to get the Hell out of the way of the driver coming up on you at 70+ mph. On an '84 190D!?? Somebody's full of etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:14 PM Subject: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 acceleration What would you guess the 0-60 time would be for a 84 190D 2.2 auto? Kid got a ticket today for accelerating too fast getting onto the highway. Didnt even know that would be illegal. Not for not stopping at the stop sign, not for speeding, but accelerating too fast. WTF?? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB brakes
relng...@aol.com wrote: What year was this and what model? E270 CDI. I think it was 2005 or so? I do remember reading an article about the system just before. It did not stop the car, but slowed us down considerably. I was very impressed. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Monkey, by Mercedes.
Saw this in my inbox (I subscribe to the publication, good info.) Don’t Disintegrate My Mercedes Wiring Insulation http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1367doc_id=235428 Thought you may get a laugh at it. Walt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] questions for the list folks
Two questions: 1. Looked at M-B today: 2001 silver/grey , E320, 46K miles, always garaged, asking $8500. 2. If this has the appropriate magnetism, price to advertise '85 300D, 130K? What do the list folks think? TIA. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] questions for the list folks
glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com writes: price to advertise '85 300D, 130K? Does everything work? Or conversely, what doesn't work? Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] questions for the list folks
glenn brown wrote: Two questions: 1. Looked at M-B today: 2001 silver/grey , E320, 46K miles, always garaged, asking $8500. 2. If this has the appropriate magnetism, price to advertise '85 300D, 130K? What do the list folks think? TIA. Offer 7.5 on the 320 and see what they say? Put it on fleabay with a $4k reserve? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Vacuum Diagrams
Where do I find the vacuum diagrams on the CD's for my cars? I suspect the vacuum lines have never been routed correctly and the time has come to make things right. 1985 300d and 1985 300cd. Looking at them under the hood, there are several differences and I am wondering if the differences should or should not be there. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 acceleration
Well that's what the kid says but after looking at the ticket it says operating a vehicle not in a safe manner, pretty generic Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: What would you guess the 0-60 time would be for a 84 190D 2.2 auto? Kid got a ticket today for accelerating too fast getting onto the highway. Didnt even know that would be illegal. Not for not stopping at the stop sign, not for speeding, but accelerating too fast. WTF?? Protest and send Reggie to court with him. I thought acceleration was the whole point of getting onto the highway. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] questions for the list folks
If everything works and there is no rust it's worth the price Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2011, at 5:42 PM, glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: Two questions: 1. Looked at M-B today: 2001 silver/grey , E320, 46K miles, always garaged, asking $8500. 2. If this has the appropriate magnetism, price to advertise '85 300D, 130K? What do the list folks think? TIA. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 acceleration
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well that's what the kid says but after looking at the ticket it says operating a vehicle not in a safe manner, pretty generic Cool. If you demand a formal hearing, he'll just make something up and you'll be totally unprepared for whatever he says. Your fault for letting the kid have a car without a recording device. I'd ask for a formal hearing and immediately subpoena the dash video, hope the sound is usable and that Hunter isn't lying to you about the real reason for the ticket. If the video is against the kid, cut a deal, try for a diversion program that suspends the ticket unless he gets another one in the next year. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Diagrams
'Haven't found diagrams yet, but a bunch of vac stuff is in group 80 - Cent Lock Sys. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:02 PM Subject: [MBZ] Vacuum Diagrams Where do I find the vacuum diagrams on the CD's for my cars? I suspect the vacuum lines have never been routed correctly and the time has come to make things right. 1985 300d and 1985 300cd. Looking at them under the hood, there are several differences and I am wondering if the differences should or should not be there. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monkey, by Mercedes.
The 1993 model still used the W123 chassis and the M119 engine, though. Huh? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 11/18/2011 6:13 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Saw this in my inbox (I subscribe to the publication, good info.) Don't Disintegrate My Mercedes Wiring Insulation http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1367doc_id=235428 Thought you may get a laugh at it. Walt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Diagrams
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:02:25 -0800 Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Where do I find the vacuum diagrams on the CD's for my cars? I suspect the vacuum lines have never been routed correctly and the time has come to make things right. 1985 300d and 1985 300cd. Looking at them under the hood, there are several differences and I am wondering if the differences should or should not be there. Rick, I sent you off list a ZIP file of all the vacuum system information I have. I hope some of it helps. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monkey, by Mercedes.
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:24:48 -0500 Fred Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: The 1993 model still used the W123 chassis and the M119 engine, though. Huh? That's what I thought, too. Somebody is confused. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Diagrams
Thanks Craig. Rick Rick, I sent you off list a ZIP file of all the vacuum system information I have. I hope some of it helps. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius
.Written as somebody who has obviously never been in a Prius before... I've had one Prius ride which was a taxi with 140K miles on it. Yes, lots room in the back but. The ride was so hard I wondered if it had wooden wheels and the road noise was terrible. And the thing rattled like ten pool balls in a metal garbage can. From the back seat the dash was unreadable, all nooks and crannies. And it's pitiful little headlights... Not at any price, thank you. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 acceleration
Somewhat justifiable bad view, as not exactly a fast accelerating vehicle. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: tell the judge you don't like public employees wasting your time, your kid's time, his time, the court's time, and giving the kid a bad view of cops in general. Maybe they could work on some real crime? Giving the kid a bad view of cops in general is an important public service, after the public schools try to brainwash little kids into thinking the man in blue is a friend to you. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prius
And why would anyone want to be in a Prius anyway? I call it Priapism:) Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:40 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: .Written as somebody who has obviously never been in a Prius before... I've had one Prius ride which was a taxi with 140K miles on it. Yes, lots room in the back but. The ride was so hard I wondered if it had wooden wheels and the road noise was terrible. And the thing rattled like ten pool balls in a metal garbage can. From the back seat the dash was unreadable, all nooks and crannies. And it's pitiful little headlights... Not at any price, thank you. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monkey, by Mercedes.
Yeah, amusing to say the least. :P On Nov 18, 2011 7:25 PM, Fred Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: The 1993 model still used the W123 chassis and the M119 engine, though. Huh? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 11/18/2011 6:13 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Saw this in my inbox (I subscribe to the publication, good info.) Don't Disintegrate My Mercedes Wiring Insulation http://www.designnews.com/**author.asp?section_id=1367**doc_id=235428http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1367doc_id=235428 Thought you may get a laugh at it. Walt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Card-op fuel station
The card-op I go to has really good turn over of product. Never see a tanker there, but the pumps seem to be THE place to be for diesel cars in the area. Main business of the place is actually home heating, but four pumps each for petrol and diesel clay On Nov 17, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Mountain Man wrote: RLE wrote: Which is why the premium gasoline (Chevron) at my card-op station contains no ethanol. It's the choice of the aware owner of the business. Can any one purchase fuel at card-op station? The diesel places here seem to prefer larger operators of trucks? And for diesel, I don't like to get old fuel - do they sell a lot of fuel each week? Is it a deposit basis, or do you just pay the bill each month? Anyone else use card-op? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] bite or ignore
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/2709425649.html Getting the itch. Slowly reducing the piles of spare parts I had for Gump. Cash is sort of burning a hole in my pocket. Pull a Part will have all the spare parts I would need.. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Castrol
Local Walmart has: Castrol Edge Full synthetic Syntech Technology 5 qts $29.18 Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hybrids
From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu An all-electric vehicle would not be feasible for me unless it had a 100 mile usable range at night in the dead of winter. I don't think there are any that meet that yet. Allan On Friday, November 18, 2011 8:21 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't understand, its not a good car now that they can't go in the bus lane? I've often thought an electric would be a good option for my wife. She only goes about 40 miles a day most days and that is in 4 separate trips. A charging station at work would solve most longer trip days too. A Zip Car option (which of course we don't have) would complete all possible scenarios. Nissan Leaf was factory rated at about 100 miles per charge and friend bought his on that basis. In practice, Nissan Leaf only got about 70 miles per charge. This was barely enough driving to work and back in the bus lane. This was in the Frisco Bay area and traffic in the other lanes was stop and go all the way. The extra energy needed for repeated accellerations may have been the reason the charge did not suffice when driving in the regular lanes in spite of regenerative braking. The Leaf would probably do well at 40 miles per day. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Lust Wagen!!!!!!
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/2709469439.html Would love to have huge interest, but sadly, can not. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bite or ignore
clay monroe wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/2709425649.html Getting the itch. Slowly reducing the piles of spare parts I had for Gump. Cash is sort of burning a hole in my pocket. Pull a Part will have all the spare parts I would need.. Personally, if it's going to have an automatic transmission I want a turbo. As an '81 it may not. Otherwise, it looks like it's worth looking at. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid's ticket
.Well that's what the kid says but after looking at the ticket it says operating a vehicle not in a safe manner, pretty generic.. That's not the first description posted here and I think there is more to this story than you know right now. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Castrol
Full Synthetic doesn't mean what it should, though. Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: Local Walmart has: Castrol Edge Full synthetic Syntech Technology 5 qts $29.18 Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Castrol
True; someone was looking for a source. I don't think it's bad oil. My 300D PO was using it and the engine is still exceptional. I prefer Mobil 1. Gerry From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Full Synthetic doesn't mean what it should, though. Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: Local Walmart has: Castrol Edge Full synthetic Syntech Technology 5 qts $29.18 Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kid's ticket
If you go to court and expect to win, hire a lawyer. Make sure the lawyer presses for disclosure from the cop ahead of time during deposition taken prior to ever going to court. Opposing council is required to provide all evidence in advance. Without a lawyer, you will set yourself up to be blindsided in court and lose. Common move by the courts and cops. Good luck, Get a dash cam and make it hot any time the key is on. Ebay has some nice ones with long memory so you can do instant replay. Less than the price of a ticket. Grant... AZ... On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:13 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: .Well that's what the kid says but after looking at the ticket it says operating a vehicle not in a safe manner, pretty generic.. That's not the first description posted here and I think there is more to this story than you know right now. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
