Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the day
http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/cto/2735887852.html If the idiot can't even spell the name of the car, much less the town he lives in And how would he even know the enjuion numbers match, without also knowing that potential buyers might just want to know exactly what enjuion it had, or what kind of transmission? Or whether the heater blower worked? save this car I see what you mean. no interest or affiliation Good for you! 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran That's was, dude! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Two 190Ds for $3000 each
That price seems high to me, but maybe not if everything works and is in good order. Any problems unique to these models to look out for? Suspension may be shot. Ours was. Truly the most weird scary thing I ever drove until it was sorted out. HVAC flakey, perhaps. Seems to be a lot of that going around, and the control panel seems to be resistant to repair. Usual MB electronics fun like CC that doesn't work, but that's certainly not unique to that car. I thought I remembered hearing a rumor that the 601 was less reliable than the 602, but don't quote me on that. I know I have a 601 manual in the woods that threw a rod. (Its tranny now graces our 2.5, which had a bad automatic.) Would the 2.5 get worse mileage than the 2.2? In stickshift form our 2.5 got 42 MPG a time or two, but usually it's nowhere near that high. (Especially since I worked on it, the timing may be off some.) I think the 2.2 manuals are the high-mileage jobs. If they have less power than the 2.5 I don't think I'd like driving it. (OTOH the 2.0 Frankenheap has _excellent_ drivability characteristics, so what's up with that?) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: For those of you with old HP stuff
We got rid of all our obsolete HP equipment a couple years ago. Not cost effective to keep it running, let alone being left hanging if something croaks at an inconvenient moment. That is to say nothing of the fact that current production stuff is just one heck of a lot better that the stuff that is obsolete! Really? You talking about computer gear, or test/measurement gear? Everything that was good about HP (test/measurement) was spun off as Agilent some years ago. Nothing that bears the HP name since is any different than any other crap PC vendor's stuff. Any actual HP-designed computers have long since been retired, well before the split. (Minicomputers, etc.) Actual HP stuff reeked of quality, the PC stuff just reeks. (Except that Tektronix scopes generally kicked HP's butt.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
What are the bleeder screws actually made of? Brass? Steel? Do they so often get stuck due to galvanic action between dissimilar metals or simply rusting? Brake fittings are hollow steel, thus somewhat weak, and they rust. There's a lot of heat and water down there, not to mention road salt. The calipers are iron, but I don't think there's much galvanic action even though the metals aren't identical. Penetrant and heat are your friends. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: For those of you with old HP stuff
I took this to mean test/measurement stuff. Who would spend money to keep an HP/compaq PC working? I see them as a source to repair old tektronics O-scopes that many people here have and as a potential source to reverse engineer MB electronics, if we generate enough interest to be worth the big bucks. We got rid of all our obsolete HP equipment a couple years ago. Not cost effective to keep it running, let alone being left hanging if something croaks at an inconvenient moment. That is to say nothing of the fact that current production stuff is just one heck of a lot better that the stuff that is obsolete! Really? You talking about computer gear, or test/measurement gear? Everything that was good about HP (test/measurement) was spun off as Agilent some years ago. Nothing that bears the HP name since is any different than any other crap PC vendor's stuff. Any actual HP-designed computers have long since been retired, well before the split. (Minicomputers, etc.) Actual HP stuff reeked of quality, the PC stuff just reeks. (Except that Tektronix scopes generally kicked HP's butt.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the day
When we first began to purchase used Mercedes in northern VA and then suburban MD, it seemed like 90 percent of the sellers were Iranians. I have a pretty good ear for their pronunciation and syntax, and this CL post sounds like a literal spelling of Iranian-pronounced English. What might have happened is the guy wasn't fluent or confident in his written English so he used Dragon naturally speaking (?) or similar software to generate the text. I pass no judgment on his educational level as a lot of Iranians were displaced professionals who emigrated to the US to escape the Khomeini regine. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/**oly/cto/2735887852.htmlhttp://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/cto/2735887852.html If the idiot can't even spell the name of the car, much less the town he lives in And how would he even know the enjuion numbers match, without also knowing that potential buyers might just want to know exactly what enjuion it had, or what kind of transmission? Or whether the heater blower worked? save this car I see what you mean. no interest or affiliation Good for you! 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran That's was, dude! -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Two 190Ds for $3000 each
I forget what the Frankenheap is. A '70s model 200D? Seem to recall that someone on the list had problems with blown head gaskets and warped heads on a 190D. Called the dealer who has them but there was no answer. Recession is bad here on the Florida west coast and many businesses have started closing on Mondays. Wikipedia says the first and second of that engine series were the same bhp; that MB increased displacement on the second in order to meet emission requirements. Looking around the web, both 2.2 and 2.5 stickshifts are claimed to get similar mpg; roughly 35/45 mpg. Thanks, Gerry From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net That price seems high to me, but maybe not if everything works and is in good order. Any problems unique to these models to look out for? Suspension may be shot. Ours was. Truly the most weird scary thing I ever drove until it was sorted out. HVAC flakey, perhaps. Seems to be a lot of that going around, and the control panel seems to be resistant to repair. Usual MB electronics fun like CC that doesn't work, but that's certainly not unique to that car. I thought I remembered hearing a rumor that the 601 was less reliable than the 602, but don't quote me on that. I know I have a 601 manual in the woods that threw a rod. (Its tranny now graces our 2.5, which had a bad automatic.) Would the 2.5 get worse mileage than the 2.2? In stickshift form our 2.5 got 42 MPG a time or two, but usually it's nowhere near that high. (Especially since I worked on it, the timing may be off some.) I think the 2.2 manuals are the high-mileage jobs. If they have less power than the 2.5 I don't think I'd like driving it. (OTOH the 2.0 Frankenheap has _excellent_ drivability characteristics, so what's up with that?) -- Jim ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Heating
On 03/12/2011 4:57 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I have neither of those... We have hot water baseboard, I actually prefer my parent's setup, they have nice big cast iron baseboard heaters, they heat up nicely and hold heat well radiating it over time. The only thing I like better is radiant floor heat... Scorched air has such a spread, gets the house all hot and scorched smelling, then waits until its cold and has to bring it back up. A good steam radiator system (my wife's grandparent's house is the nicest steam system I've ever seen) is way better... BTW Randy, you tell us how COLD it is in Winnipeg and then worry about having AC? You only use it for like 2 hours a year right? ;) Seriously we only need AC maybe 2-3 weeks a year, a window unit is plenty adequate, I can't see my ever paying for central air. Then you have to pay to maintain it, clean the ducts, clean the condenser/evaporator etc. We've got a window unit mounted in the wall. This time of year I spend 1 hour putting a tarp on the outside and a quilted cover over the inside and 1.5 hour in the spring removing the covers and vacuuming everything and for our house it works great. Of course as we've discussed several times in the past my wife' and I are pretty tolerant of temperature... -Curt We only get the scorched air smell when we first fire up in the fall after the heat has been sitting off for months. Then it burns off a bit of dust in the first few minutes. After that, no scorch! Actually, we are an area of extremes. Winter is cold and summer is often hot. We ran the AC a lot last summer. The heat is also one of the reasons that I did not run my car much last summer. My AC is no longer working. I think the valves in the compressor must have given up as it has a charge but the high and low sides are about even meaning I assume that it is not compressing. Anyone have an opinion on the pros and cons of doing the swap to the more modern sytle compressor? I see ads for a conversion with the bracket to mount the round GM style unit in place of the old piston style pump. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More OT - HWT
On 04/12/2011 2:47 PM, Fmiser wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: My last house (4500 sf) had a 400 amp service, for what I don't know. Theater lights? A really, really big welder? -- Philip Grow Op?? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Two 190Ds for $3000 each
Gerry Archer wrote: Wikipedia says the first and second of that engine series were the same bhp; that MB increased displacement on the second in order to meet emission requirements. Looking around the web, both 2.2 and 2.5 stickshifts are claimed to get similar mpg; roughly 35/45 mpg. I can't recall if all the 2.2s had 14 wheels or just the 1984 models. I think the 2.5 should be a 1986-1989 model if it's from MBUSA. You can get the text of old EPA fuel economy guides here: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/download.shtml ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Expensive Week
Monday night the HWT gave it up (and was documented here) and Saturday night the Dishwasher did too! Cannot complain too much. A fairly basic Sears Kenmore likely made by Whirlpool if the internet is accurate and we think we got it in about 1998. One repair in the interim but it was minimal. A plastic part that fed the upper spray arm cracked and was replaced. Had some luck in that my good wife usually puts it on at bedtime and lets it run into the night. I have long suggested it is a poor idea but she is somewhat stubborn and did it her way. She put it on about 11PM Saturday night and went back down to the kitchen a half hour later and discovered a bit of a flood. Nothing horrible. A few towels soaked it up and it does not appear that th cork floor in the kitchen suffered any damage. The leak was out the seal at the bottom of the door because 2 other things failed. The pump ceased to remove the water as it was supposed to and the float switch was jambed with guck and did not float the way it ought to have. So a lesson to you all - check the float switch and make sure it is clean. I fished a whole lot of goo out from under it and now it moves up and down fairly well. Decided not to look into repairs depsite the fact that I am guessing it is not a major issue. Looking on line suggests that the impeller is likely the culprit and one can get a kit to fix it all for $54. The racks are going however and they leave rust marks on dishes that upsets the boss. I have repaired that sort of thing fairly effectively with epoxy in the past. Our first DW - A GE lasted 24 years and had only one repair - a replacement of a solenoid water valve but had numerous repairs of the racks and interior finish with epoxy to reduce rusting. Did not look pretty inside but functioned fine. Finally blew some form of seal in the bottom and leaked and we did not repair it at that age. Wife has been suggesting for close to a year that she wants to replace it and was thinking to do so before it gave up. We went out on Sunday after lunch and found a new one that will be here on Wednesday. A Bosch. Middle of the road I guess. They had more expensive ones but we don't need fancy. We basically always run it on the same cycle. The prime motivator apart from the idea that more repairs will come on the old one, is that the new one is stainless steel. We got a new stove a couple of years back and it is stainless so now the DW will match. Still need to do the refrigerator in due course so they all match. Old basement frig is causing some issues so it may go and the kitchen one will move downstairs. No hurry but that is likely the plan. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More OT - HWT
On 03/12/2011 7:10 PM, Craig wrote: On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:57:22 -0600 Fmiserfmi...@gmail.com wrote: Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote: A 200 amp service entrance is pretty-much standard so that's probably what you have. Standard as of when? Not everyone lives in a15 year old house. -- Philip, in a house that was old when it was electrified. Our house was built in 1959 with a 60 Amp service. We upgraged it this summer to 200 Amps. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More OT - HWT
On 03/12/2011 6:57 PM, Fmiser wrote: Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote: A 200 amp service entrance is pretty-much standard so that's probably what you have. Standard as of when? Not everyone lives in a15 year old house. -- Philip, in a house that was old when it was electrified. ___ My house was built in 1981. It had 100Amp but it also has underground wiring to the transformer and I believe we were told that all of the underground wiring here is good for 200Amp. I guess we will find out as I think we need to bite the bullet and get it done come summer. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
On 03/12/2011 3:06 PM, Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/12/01/salvaging-the-mythology-of-man-caused-global-warming/ Very reasonable article - thanks. However, it fails to address the issue of individual action. The article intends to rebut the concept that governments via UN *should* do something about warmist concerns. The issue rather seems to be our waste of resources. If not waste, at least it is an over-use of stuff that really is not necessary. That is where I want to live - using less, consuming less, producing positive impact on resources. In that type positive impact practice / argument, there is a consensus building and... shudder... cooperation and compromise from both sides. When is the last time we have seen compromise or cooperation? Maybe some more compromise and cooperation would be healthy? A bit off the topic of confronting warmist claims, but in a similar cooperative / compromise thinking... Has anyone ever eaten fois gras? - not me. Here is a talk given at TED that is interesting and shows a guy producing fois gras in a manner unlike most today: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_parable.html http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1919163,00.html mao ___ Odds are that we will all use less and less as we get older and move into retirement. 2nd subject I wonder what our provincial government is thinking a lot of the time. We have a reasonable supply of hydro electric power and the ability to produce more if we build more dams. Our government wants us to use less so that they can sell it to you folks south of the border. That makes no sense to me. I do not understand why they want us to buy natural gas from other provinces and use it instead of electicity. Our electrical utility (Manitoba Hydro) even went so far as to take over the gas distribution system so now the electrical producer is the one who sells us the gas. I am not expert on any of this. I guess at this stage, the gas is still a less expensive way to heat my home than electricity is but since we have the electricity and we have to import the gas from elsewhere and everyone wants to worry about greenhouse gas emissions, it strikes me as a win win situation to reduce our reliance upon natural gas and encourage the locals to use electricity. Does not seem to be the plan however. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More OT - HWT
Hmm. Hadn't thought about that one... Dan Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/12/2011 2:47 PM, Fmiser wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: My last house (4500 sf) had a 400 amp service, for what I don't know. Theater lights? A really, really big welder? -- Philip Grow Op?? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Two 190Ds for $3000 each
Gerry Archer wrote: Wikipedia says the first and second of that engine series were the same bhp; that MB increased displacement on the second in order to meet emission requirements. Looking around the web, both 2.2 and 2.5 stickshifts are claimed to get similar mpg; roughly 35/45 mpg. --- I can't recall if all the 2.2s had 14 wheels or just the 1984 models. I think the 2.5 should be a 1986-1989 model if it's from MBUSA. You can get the text of old EPA fuel economy guides here: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/download.shtml --- Thanks. I'll try to get all the info if I get in touch with the car lot. Not going to make the trip unless the phone is answered tomorrow. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear diff swap
Turns out the coupe was 3.46 and the sesan was 3.07. With the 205 tires I have been running the speedo is right on the money according to gps. Very odd indeed. Mike On Nov 30, 2011 3:56 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Arg. That is what I was afraid of. I really don't want to go that direction with the gearing. Mike On Nov 30, 2011 3:51 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Michael Canfield wrote: Is the rear diff in my 79 300cd the same as the one in my 83 300d? The 83 is making really bad noise and I need to swap it out. Does the NA use the same ratio as the turbo? I think it's 3.07 turbo and something like 3.2x or 3.3x for NA. 240D is 3.69. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
But gas is cleaner than electricity if coal is burned to make the power... On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 03/12/2011 3:06 PM, Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/**peterferrara/2011/12/01/** salvaging-the-mythology-of-**man-caused-global-warming/http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/12/01/salvaging-the-mythology-of-man-caused-global-warming/ Very reasonable article - thanks. However, it fails to address the issue of individual action. The article intends to rebut the concept that governments via UN *should* do something about warmist concerns. The issue rather seems to be our waste of resources. If not waste, at least it is an over-use of stuff that really is not necessary. That is where I want to live - using less, consuming less, producing positive impact on resources. In that type positive impact practice / argument, there is a consensus building and... shudder... cooperation and compromise from both sides. When is the last time we have seen compromise or cooperation? Maybe some more compromise and cooperation would be healthy? A bit off the topic of confronting warmist claims, but in a similar cooperative / compromise thinking... Has anyone ever eaten fois gras? - not me. Here is a talk given at TED that is interesting and shows a guy producing fois gras in a manner unlike most today: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_**barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_** parable.htmlhttp://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_parable.html http://www.time.com/time/**magazine/article/0,9171,**1919163,00.htmlhttp://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1919163,00.html mao __**_ Odds are that we will all use less and less as we get older and move into retirement. 2nd subject I wonder what our provincial government is thinking a lot of the time. We have a reasonable supply of hydro electric power and the ability to produce more if we build more dams. Our government wants us to use less so that they can sell it to you folks south of the border. That makes no sense to me. I do not understand why they want us to buy natural gas from other provinces and use it instead of electicity. Our electrical utility (Manitoba Hydro) even went so far as to take over the gas distribution system so now the electrical producer is the one who sells us the gas. I am not expert on any of this. I guess at this stage, the gas is still a less expensive way to heat my home than electricity is but since we have the electricity and we have to import the gas from elsewhere and everyone wants to worry about greenhouse gas emissions, it strikes me as a win win situation to reduce our reliance upon natural gas and encourage the locals to use electricity. Does not seem to be the plan however. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week
You will LOVE your new Bosch dishwasher. :)) Ours is quiet and does a miraculous job cleaning everything (well, 99 percent of all items), load after load - PROVIDED you clean the cleverly designed food trap every 5 or 6 loads. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Monday night the HWT gave it up (and was documented here) and Saturday night the Dishwasher did too! Cannot complain too much. A fairly basic Sears Kenmore likely made by Whirlpool if the internet is accurate and we think we got it in about 1998. One repair in the interim but it was minimal. A plastic part that fed the upper spray arm cracked and was replaced. Had some luck in that my good wife usually puts it on at bedtime and lets it run into the night. I have long suggested it is a poor idea but she is somewhat stubborn and did it her way. She put it on about 11PM Saturday night and went back down to the kitchen a half hour later and discovered a bit of a flood. Nothing horrible. A few towels soaked it up and it does not appear that th cork floor in the kitchen suffered any damage. The leak was out the seal at the bottom of the door because 2 other things failed. The pump ceased to remove the water as it was supposed to and the float switch was jambed with guck and did not float the way it ought to have. So a lesson to you all - check the float switch and make sure it is clean. I fished a whole lot of goo out from under it and now it moves up and down fairly well. Decided not to look into repairs depsite the fact that I am guessing it is not a major issue. Looking on line suggests that the impeller is likely the culprit and one can get a kit to fix it all for $54. The racks are going however and they leave rust marks on dishes that upsets the boss. I have repaired that sort of thing fairly effectively with epoxy in the past. Our first DW - A GE lasted 24 years and had only one repair - a replacement of a solenoid water valve but had numerous repairs of the racks and interior finish with epoxy to reduce rusting. Did not look pretty inside but functioned fine. Finally blew some form of seal in the bottom and leaked and we did not repair it at that age. Wife has been suggesting for close to a year that she wants to replace it and was thinking to do so before it gave up. We went out on Sunday after lunch and found a new one that will be here on Wednesday. A Bosch. Middle of the road I guess. They had more expensive ones but we don't need fancy. We basically always run it on the same cycle. The prime motivator apart from the idea that more repairs will come on the old one, is that the new one is stainless steel. We got a new stove a couple of years back and it is stainless so now the DW will match. Still need to do the refrigerator in due course so they all match. Old basement frig is causing some issues so it may go and the kitchen one will move downstairs. No hurry but that is likely the plan. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
Ah but you missed the reference to Hydro Electric Power and Dams! We have or at least did have a thermal power generating station or two somewhere in the province but for the most part our power comes from rivers north of us. Randy On 05/12/2011 1:06 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: But gas is cleaner than electricity if coal is burned to make the power... On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 03/12/2011 3:06 PM, Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/**peterferrara/2011/12/01/** salvaging-the-mythology-of-**man-caused-global-warming/http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/12/01/salvaging-the-mythology-of-man-caused-global-warming/ Very reasonable article - thanks. However, it fails to address the issue of individual action. The article intends to rebut the concept that governments via UN *should* do something about warmist concerns. The issue rather seems to be our waste of resources. If not waste, at least it is an over-use of stuff that really is not necessary. That is where I want to live - using less, consuming less, producing positive impact on resources. In that type positive impact practice / argument, there is a consensus building and... shudder... cooperation and compromise from both sides. When is the last time we have seen compromise or cooperation? Maybe some more compromise and cooperation would be healthy? A bit off the topic of confronting warmist claims, but in a similar cooperative / compromise thinking... Has anyone ever eaten fois gras? - not me. Here is a talk given at TED that is interesting and shows a guy producing fois gras in a manner unlike most today: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_**barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_** parable.htmlhttp://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_parable.html http://www.time.com/time/**magazine/article/0,9171,**1919163,00.htmlhttp://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1919163,00.html mao __**_ Odds are that we will all use less and less as we get older and move into retirement. 2nd subject I wonder what our provincial government is thinking a lot of the time. We have a reasonable supply of hydro electric power and the ability to produce more if we build more dams. Our government wants us to use less so that they can sell it to you folks south of the border. That makes no sense to me. I do not understand why they want us to buy natural gas from other provinces and use it instead of electicity. Our electrical utility (Manitoba Hydro) even went so far as to take over the gas distribution system so now the electrical producer is the one who sells us the gas. I am not expert on any of this. I guess at this stage, the gas is still a less expensive way to heat my home than electricity is but since we have the electricity and we have to import the gas from elsewhere and everyone wants to worry about greenhouse gas emissions, it strikes me as a win win situation to reduce our reliance upon natural gas and encourage the locals to use electricity. Does not seem to be the plan however. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week
I fear that is one thing we did not do with the old one. I don't believe we ever attempted to clean it out. It just did its thing. Randy On 05/12/2011 1:14 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: You will LOVE your new Bosch dishwasher. :)) Ours is quiet and does a miraculous job cleaning everything (well, 99 percent of all items), load after load - PROVIDED you clean the cleverly designed food trap every 5 or 6 loads. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Monday night the HWT gave it up (and was documented here) and Saturday night the Dishwasher did too! Cannot complain too much. A fairly basic Sears Kenmore likely made by Whirlpool if the internet is accurate and we think we got it in about 1998. One repair in the interim but it was minimal. A plastic part that fed the upper spray arm cracked and was replaced. Had some luck in that my good wife usually puts it on at bedtime and lets it run into the night. I have long suggested it is a poor idea but she is somewhat stubborn and did it her way. She put it on about 11PM Saturday night and went back down to the kitchen a half hour later and discovered a bit of a flood. Nothing horrible. A few towels soaked it up and it does not appear that th cork floor in the kitchen suffered any damage. The leak was out the seal at the bottom of the door because 2 other things failed. The pump ceased to remove the water as it was supposed to and the float switch was jambed with guck and did not float the way it ought to have. So a lesson to you all - check the float switch and make sure it is clean. I fished a whole lot of goo out from under it and now it moves up and down fairly well. Decided not to look into repairs depsite the fact that I am guessing it is not a major issue. Looking on line suggests that the impeller is likely the culprit and one can get a kit to fix it all for $54. The racks are going however and they leave rust marks on dishes that upsets the boss. I have repaired that sort of thing fairly effectively with epoxy in the past. Our first DW - A GE lasted 24 years and had only one repair - a replacement of a solenoid water valve but had numerous repairs of the racks and interior finish with epoxy to reduce rusting. Did not look pretty inside but functioned fine. Finally blew some form of seal in the bottom and leaked and we did not repair it at that age. Wife has been suggesting for close to a year that she wants to replace it and was thinking to do so before it gave up. We went out on Sunday after lunch and found a new one that will be here on Wednesday. A Bosch. Middle of the road I guess. They had more expensive ones but we don't need fancy. We basically always run it on the same cycle. The prime motivator apart from the idea that more repairs will come on the old one, is that the new one is stainless steel. We got a new stove a couple of years back and it is stainless so now the DW will match. Still need to do the refrigerator in due course so they all match. Old basement frig is causing some issues so it may go and the kitchen one will move downstairs. No hurry but that is likely the plan. Randy __**_ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Uh, Oh! and 190Ds
The £2.5million motorway smash involving 8 Ferraris, 3 Mercedes, a Lamborghini, a Skyline and a humble Toyota Prius (which was in the wrong place at the wrong time) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070046/8-Ferraris-3-Mercedes-Lamborghini-Skyline-2-5m-Japan-motorway-crash.html P.S. Contacted the used car lot owner. The 190Ds were both automatic transmissions; 26/30 mpg. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
In that case no contest - electricity wins. On 12/5/11, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Ah but you missed the reference to Hydro Electric Power and Dams! We have or at least did have a thermal power generating station or two somewhere in the province but for the most part our power comes from rivers north of us. Randy On 05/12/2011 1:06 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: But gas is cleaner than electricity if coal is burned to make the power... On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 03/12/2011 3:06 PM, Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/**peterferrara/2011/12/01/** salvaging-the-mythology-of-**man-caused-global-warming/http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/12/01/salvaging-the-mythology-of-man-caused-global-warming/ Very reasonable article - thanks. However, it fails to address the issue of individual action. The article intends to rebut the concept that governments via UN *should* do something about warmist concerns. The issue rather seems to be our waste of resources. If not waste, at least it is an over-use of stuff that really is not necessary. That is where I want to live - using less, consuming less, producing positive impact on resources. In that type positive impact practice / argument, there is a consensus building and... shudder... cooperation and compromise from both sides. When is the last time we have seen compromise or cooperation? Maybe some more compromise and cooperation would be healthy? A bit off the topic of confronting warmist claims, but in a similar cooperative / compromise thinking... Has anyone ever eaten fois gras? - not me. Here is a talk given at TED that is interesting and shows a guy producing fois gras in a manner unlike most today: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_**barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_** parable.htmlhttp://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_parable.html http://www.time.com/time/**magazine/article/0,9171,**1919163,00.htmlhttp://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1919163,00.html mao __**_ Odds are that we will all use less and less as we get older and move into retirement. 2nd subject I wonder what our provincial government is thinking a lot of the time. We have a reasonable supply of hydro electric power and the ability to produce more if we build more dams. Our government wants us to use less so that they can sell it to you folks south of the border. That makes no sense to me. I do not understand why they want us to buy natural gas from other provinces and use it instead of electicity. Our electrical utility (Manitoba Hydro) even went so far as to take over the gas distribution system so now the electrical producer is the one who sells us the gas. I am not expert on any of this. I guess at this stage, the gas is still a less expensive way to heat my home than electricity is but since we have the electricity and we have to import the gas from elsewhere and everyone wants to worry about greenhouse gas emissions, it strikes me as a win win situation to reduce our reliance upon natural gas and encourage the locals to use electricity. Does not seem to be the plan however. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week
The beauty of the Bosch is that it's so EASY to clean out the trap it's almost fun. On 12/5/11, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I fear that is one thing we did not do with the old one. I don't believe we ever attempted to clean it out. It just did its thing. Randy On 05/12/2011 1:14 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: You will LOVE your new Bosch dishwasher. :)) Ours is quiet and does a miraculous job cleaning everything (well, 99 percent of all items), load after load - PROVIDED you clean the cleverly designed food trap every 5 or 6 loads. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Monday night the HWT gave it up (and was documented here) and Saturday night the Dishwasher did too! Cannot complain too much. A fairly basic Sears Kenmore likely made by Whirlpool if the internet is accurate and we think we got it in about 1998. One repair in the interim but it was minimal. A plastic part that fed the upper spray arm cracked and was replaced. Had some luck in that my good wife usually puts it on at bedtime and lets it run into the night. I have long suggested it is a poor idea but she is somewhat stubborn and did it her way. She put it on about 11PM Saturday night and went back down to the kitchen a half hour later and discovered a bit of a flood. Nothing horrible. A few towels soaked it up and it does not appear that th cork floor in the kitchen suffered any damage. The leak was out the seal at the bottom of the door because 2 other things failed. The pump ceased to remove the water as it was supposed to and the float switch was jambed with guck and did not float the way it ought to have. So a lesson to you all - check the float switch and make sure it is clean. I fished a whole lot of goo out from under it and now it moves up and down fairly well. Decided not to look into repairs depsite the fact that I am guessing it is not a major issue. Looking on line suggests that the impeller is likely the culprit and one can get a kit to fix it all for $54. The racks are going however and they leave rust marks on dishes that upsets the boss. I have repaired that sort of thing fairly effectively with epoxy in the past. Our first DW - A GE lasted 24 years and had only one repair - a replacement of a solenoid water valve but had numerous repairs of the racks and interior finish with epoxy to reduce rusting. Did not look pretty inside but functioned fine. Finally blew some form of seal in the bottom and leaked and we did not repair it at that age. Wife has been suggesting for close to a year that she wants to replace it and was thinking to do so before it gave up. We went out on Sunday after lunch and found a new one that will be here on Wednesday. A Bosch. Middle of the road I guess. They had more expensive ones but we don't need fancy. We basically always run it on the same cycle. The prime motivator apart from the idea that more repairs will come on the old one, is that the new one is stainless steel. We got a new stove a couple of years back and it is stainless so now the DW will match. Still need to do the refrigerator in due course so they all match. Old basement frig is causing some issues so it may go and the kitchen one will move downstairs. No hurry but that is likely the plan. Randy __**_ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week
I hope so! Randy On 05/12/2011 1:49 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: The beauty of the Bosch is that it's so EASY to clean out the trap it's almost fun. On 12/5/11, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I fear that is one thing we did not do with the old one. I don't believe we ever attempted to clean it out. It just did its thing. Randy On 05/12/2011 1:14 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: You will LOVE your new Bosch dishwasher. :)) Ours is quiet and does a miraculous job cleaning everything (well, 99 percent of all items), load after load - PROVIDED you clean the cleverly designed food trap every 5 or 6 loads. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Monday night the HWT gave it up (and was documented here) and Saturday night the Dishwasher did too! Cannot complain too much. A fairly basic Sears Kenmore likely made by Whirlpool if the internet is accurate and we think we got it in about 1998. One repair in the interim but it was minimal. A plastic part that fed the upper spray arm cracked and was replaced. Had some luck in that my good wife usually puts it on at bedtime and lets it run into the night. I have long suggested it is a poor idea but she is somewhat stubborn and did it her way. She put it on about 11PM Saturday night and went back down to the kitchen a half hour later and discovered a bit of a flood. Nothing horrible. A few towels soaked it up and it does not appear that th cork floor in the kitchen suffered any damage. The leak was out the seal at the bottom of the door because 2 other things failed. The pump ceased to remove the water as it was supposed to and the float switch was jambed with guck and did not float the way it ought to have. So a lesson to you all - check the float switch and make sure it is clean. I fished a whole lot of goo out from under it and now it moves up and down fairly well. Decided not to look into repairs depsite the fact that I am guessing it is not a major issue. Looking on line suggests that the impeller is likely the culprit and one can get a kit to fix it all for $54. The racks are going however and they leave rust marks on dishes that upsets the boss. I have repaired that sort of thing fairly effectively with epoxy in the past. Our first DW - A GE lasted 24 years and had only one repair - a replacement of a solenoid water valve but had numerous repairs of the racks and interior finish with epoxy to reduce rusting. Did not look pretty inside but functioned fine. Finally blew some form of seal in the bottom and leaked and we did not repair it at that age. Wife has been suggesting for close to a year that she wants to replace it and was thinking to do so before it gave up. We went out on Sunday after lunch and found a new one that will be here on Wednesday. A Bosch. Middle of the road I guess. They had more expensive ones but we don't need fancy. We basically always run it on the same cycle. The prime motivator apart from the idea that more repairs will come on the old one, is that the new one is stainless steel. We got a new stove a couple of years back and it is stainless so now the DW will match. Still need to do the refrigerator in due course so they all match. Old basement frig is causing some issues so it may go and the kitchen one will move downstairs. No hurry but that is likely the plan. Randy __**_ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Uh, Oh! and 190Ds
Gerry Archer wrote: P.S. Contacted the used car lot owner. The 190Ds were both automatic transmissions; 26/30 mpg. Gerry According to the EPA, 1985 2.2 was 30/33 with A4 and 31/39 with M5. 1986 2.5 was 30/34 with A4 and 29/37 with M5 transmission. 1987 2.5 Turbo (look for louvers on right fender) was 28/32, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the turbo with its tall gearing doing as well or better than the regular 2.5 in real life). For comparison, the W210 V6 were rated as high as 28-29 on the highway (premium gas). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More OT - HWT
And one can run chilled water through copper lines (slightly larger) just as easy as freon but with a lot less loss due to gas leaks. That's why I don't like using freon as a distribution medium. Look at any specification for a central AC system and you will see a specified loss of freon of as much as 1/4 oz. or more per year. The more the connections the more loss will occur. With water there is no such loss as water will not be in a gaseous state while in this use nor under anywhere near the same pressures. Ducts don't come into it at all in either scenario. Manfred Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 18:50:57 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] More OT - HWT MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com writes: still don't like the freon circulation. Why not? A heck of a lot easier to snake copper tubing through existing construction than to install ductwork. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Escort radar detector mount
I recently saw an ad for a nice sturdy mount for my Escort radar detector in the back of Autoweek magazine, contacted the company as their website (http://www.blendmount.com/escort.html ) indicated that it was incompatible with M-Bs, and I've found that it (BlendMount BBE-2000) does indeed fit the interior rearview mirror shaft in my '84 300D. Since the last time I posted a pix to the list, it took about a week for it to appear, if anyone is interested I've got JPEGs I can send individually. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week
I did the impeller/seal replacement once on a Kitchenaid, it did not work well after and still leaked a bit. A cheap floor model from the local discounter's (dickered down on price) served for another coupla years, and did no worse than the expensive KA. --R On 12/5/11 12:37 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Monday night the HWT gave it up (and was documented here) and Saturday night the Dishwasher did too! Cannot complain too much. A fairly basic Sears Kenmore likely made by Whirlpool if the internet is accurate and we think we got it in about 1998. One repair in the interim but it was minimal. A plastic part that fed the upper spray arm cracked and was replaced. Had some luck in that my good wife usually puts it on at bedtime and lets it run into the night. I have long suggested it is a poor idea but she is somewhat stubborn and did it her way. She put it on about 11PM Saturday night and went back down to the kitchen a half hour later and discovered a bit of a flood. Nothing horrible. A few towels soaked it up and it does not appear that th cork floor in the kitchen suffered any damage. The leak was out the seal at the bottom of the door because 2 other things failed. The pump ceased to remove the water as it was supposed to and the float switch was jambed with guck and did not float the way it ought to have. So a lesson to you all - check the float switch and make sure it is clean. I fished a whole lot of goo out from under it and now it moves up and down fairly well. Decided not to look into repairs depsite the fact that I am guessing it is not a major issue. Looking on line suggests that the impeller is likely the culprit and one can get a kit to fix it all for $54. The racks are going however and they leave rust marks on dishes that upsets the boss. I have repaired that sort of thing fairly effectively with epoxy in the past. Our first DW - A GE lasted 24 years and had only one repair - a replacement of a solenoid water valve but had numerous repairs of the racks and interior finish with epoxy to reduce rusting. Did not look pretty inside but functioned fine. Finally blew some form of seal in the bottom and leaked and we did not repair it at that age. Wife has been suggesting for close to a year that she wants to replace it and was thinking to do so before it gave up. We went out on Sunday after lunch and found a new one that will be here on Wednesday. A Bosch. Middle of the road I guess. They had more expensive ones but we don't need fancy. We basically always run it on the same cycle. The prime motivator apart from the idea that more repairs will come on the old one, is that the new one is stainless steel. We got a new stove a couple of years back and it is stainless so now the DW will match. Still need to do the refrigerator in due course so they all match. Old basement frig is causing some issues so it may go and the kitchen one will move downstairs. No hurry but that is likely the plan. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MB 211
How 'bout an '06 or '07 E350? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: For those of you with old HP stuff
Gas chromatography gear, also GC/ Mass spectrometers. The new stuff is lightyears ahead of the old stuff, particularly the Mass Specs. The old ones were horrible to keep running (and I'm good at it, far better than average). Only problem I ever had with an HP computer was new software, I think. Even recovered from a dead cooling fan and subsequent overheating. I suggested replacing the GCs not because they didn't work, they did, but because it was getting to the point I had to find an surplus one somewhere to get parts when a board went out, and I cannot support a 24 hr a day process control laboratory by digging in the boneyard for parts I may not find, or leave an instrument down for weeks at a time getting things fixed. It's bad enough when I can get parts the next day. My rule is that within a few years of the manufacturer declaring an instrument obsolete I want to replace it for this reason. I'm not all that excited about some of the new stuff (too much computer control of things that really don't need it), but the new Agilent instruments are as reliable and rugged as the old ones. Peter On Dec 5, 2011, at 7:26 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: We got rid of all our obsolete HP equipment a couple years ago. Not cost effective to keep it running, let alone being left hanging if something croaks at an inconvenient moment. That is to say nothing of the fact that current production stuff is just one heck of a lot better that the stuff that is obsolete! Really? You talking about computer gear, or test/measurement gear? Everything that was good about HP (test/measurement) was spun off as Agilent some years ago. Nothing that bears the HP name since is any different than any other crap PC vendor's stuff. Any actual HP-designed computers have long since been retired, well before the split. (Minicomputers, etc.) Actual HP stuff reeked of quality, the PC stuff just reeks. (Except that Tektronix scopes generally kicked HP's butt.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week
I have replaced numerous appliances that worked fine. Their only flaw was that they were not stainless. This whole stainless thing is a bit silly but tenants pay more rent with updated kitchens! Funny thing is my tenants get the granite and stainless and I get the dated laminate and old appliances in my house! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2011, at 2:49 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: The beauty of the Bosch is that it's so EASY to clean out the trap it's almost fun. On 12/5/11, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I fear that is one thing we did not do with the old one. I don't believe we ever attempted to clean it out. It just did its thing. Randy On 05/12/2011 1:14 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: You will LOVE your new Bosch dishwasher. :)) Ours is quiet and does a miraculous job cleaning everything (well, 99 percent of all items), load after load - PROVIDED you clean the cleverly designed food trap every 5 or 6 loads. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Monday night the HWT gave it up (and was documented here) and Saturday night the Dishwasher did too! Cannot complain too much. A fairly basic Sears Kenmore likely made by Whirlpool if the internet is accurate and we think we got it in about 1998. One repair in the interim but it was minimal. A plastic part that fed the upper spray arm cracked and was replaced. Had some luck in that my good wife usually puts it on at bedtime and lets it run into the night. I have long suggested it is a poor idea but she is somewhat stubborn and did it her way. She put it on about 11PM Saturday night and went back down to the kitchen a half hour later and discovered a bit of a flood. Nothing horrible. A few towels soaked it up and it does not appear that th cork floor in the kitchen suffered any damage. The leak was out the seal at the bottom of the door because 2 other things failed. The pump ceased to remove the water as it was supposed to and the float switch was jambed with guck and did not float the way it ought to have. So a lesson to you all - check the float switch and make sure it is clean. I fished a whole lot of goo out from under it and now it moves up and down fairly well. Decided not to look into repairs depsite the fact that I am guessing it is not a major issue. Looking on line suggests that the impeller is likely the culprit and one can get a kit to fix it all for $54. The racks are going however and they leave rust marks on dishes that upsets the boss. I have repaired that sort of thing fairly effectively with epoxy in the past. Our first DW - A GE lasted 24 years and had only one repair - a replacement of a solenoid water valve but had numerous repairs of the racks and interior finish with epoxy to reduce rusting. Did not look pretty inside but functioned fine. Finally blew some form of seal in the bottom and leaked and we did not repair it at that age. Wife has been suggesting for close to a year that she wants to replace it and was thinking to do so before it gave up. We went out on Sunday after lunch and found a new one that will be here on Wednesday. A Bosch. Middle of the road I guess. They had more expensive ones but we don't need fancy. We basically always run it on the same cycle. The prime motivator apart from the idea that more repairs will come on the old one, is that the new one is stainless steel. We got a new stove a couple of years back and it is stainless so now the DW will match. Still need to do the refrigerator in due course so they all match. Old basement frig is causing some issues so it may go and the kitchen one will move downstairs. No hurry but that is likely the plan. Randy __**_ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week
But you get the Benz and the money to keep her going. I say, fair trade. ;) Walt On Dec 5, 2011 6:46 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I have replaced numerous appliances that worked fine. Their only flaw was that they were not stainless. This whole stainless thing is a bit silly but tenants pay more rent with updated kitchens! Funny thing is my tenants get the granite and stainless and I get the dated laminate and old appliances in my house! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2011, at 2:49 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: The beauty of the Bosch is that it's so EASY to clean out the trap it's almost fun. On 12/5/11, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I fear that is one thing we did not do with the old one. I don't believe we ever attempted to clean it out. It just did its thing. Randy On 05/12/2011 1:14 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: You will LOVE your new Bosch dishwasher. :)) Ours is quiet and does a miraculous job cleaning everything (well, 99 percent of all items), load after load - PROVIDED you clean the cleverly designed food trap every 5 or 6 loads. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Monday night the HWT gave it up (and was documented here) and Saturday night the Dishwasher did too! Cannot complain too much. A fairly basic Sears Kenmore likely made by Whirlpool if the internet is accurate and we think we got it in about 1998. One repair in the interim but it was minimal. A plastic part that fed the upper spray arm cracked and was replaced. Had some luck in that my good wife usually puts it on at bedtime and lets it run into the night. I have long suggested it is a poor idea but she is somewhat stubborn and did it her way. She put it on about 11PM Saturday night and went back down to the kitchen a half hour later and discovered a bit of a flood. Nothing horrible. A few towels soaked it up and it does not appear that th cork floor in the kitchen suffered any damage. The leak was out the seal at the bottom of the door because 2 other things failed. The pump ceased to remove the water as it was supposed to and the float switch was jambed with guck and did not float the way it ought to have. So a lesson to you all - check the float switch and make sure it is clean. I fished a whole lot of goo out from under it and now it moves up and down fairly well. Decided not to look into repairs depsite the fact that I am guessing it is not a major issue. Looking on line suggests that the impeller is likely the culprit and one can get a kit to fix it all for $54. The racks are going however and they leave rust marks on dishes that upsets the boss. I have repaired that sort of thing fairly effectively with epoxy in the past. Our first DW - A GE lasted 24 years and had only one repair - a replacement of a solenoid water valve but had numerous repairs of the racks and interior finish with epoxy to reduce rusting. Did not look pretty inside but functioned fine. Finally blew some form of seal in the bottom and leaked and we did not repair it at that age. Wife has been suggesting for close to a year that she wants to replace it and was thinking to do so before it gave up. We went out on Sunday after lunch and found a new one that will be here on Wednesday. A Bosch. Middle of the road I guess. They had more expensive ones but we don't need fancy. We basically always run it on the same cycle. The prime motivator apart from the idea that more repairs will come on the old one, is that the new one is stainless steel. We got a new stove a couple of years back and it is stainless so now the DW will match. Still need to do the refrigerator in due course so they all match. Old basement frig is causing some issues so it may go and the kitchen one will move downstairs. No hurry but that is likely the plan. Randy __**_ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week
What's a HTW? Hot water tank, maybe? I hate acronyms (WTF = where to file - former office clerk wrote this on documents she brought back to me). On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Monday night the HWT gave it up ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week
Funny thing is my tenants get the granite and stainless and I get the dated laminate and old appliances in my house! I just can't understand the granite fad. The tile countertop fad was goofy, but to replace that with a piece of rock with porosity is nuts to me. The requirement that everything in food plants/restaurants/lockers is goofy too. A formica surface is non-porous and does not promote growth of bacteria. A lot easier to clean and maintain too. For kitchens, my preferences are: countertop: Maple (yes it requires some maintenance) formica Stainless polypropylene HD polyethylene acrylic polystyrene probably a few other materials tile then rocks For appliances: Paint Who cares what color Stainless (requires care and maintenance to keep it looking good) -- Dieselhead, Curmudgeon, who is waiting for the rock couuntertop fad to die like leisure suits 87 300D 87 SDL 81 240D 2 pedals with 3 in wait. 80 240D 3 pedals The nut that holds the wheel is the cause of 99% of auto accidents and the majority of roadside breakdowns, and is the cause of many engine failures. Does YOUR car need to have the nut that holds the wheel replaced? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Two 190Ds for $3000 each
The 84 only had 14 and no Egr, after that they had Egr Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Gerry Archer wrote: Wikipedia says the first and second of that engine series were the same bhp; that MB increased displacement on the second in order to meet emission requirements. Looking around the web, both 2.2 and 2.5 stickshifts are claimed to get similar mpg; roughly 35/45 mpg. --- I can't recall if all the 2.2s had 14 wheels or just the 1984 models. I think the 2.5 should be a 1986-1989 model if it's from MBUSA. You can get the text of old EPA fuel economy guides here: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/download.shtml --- Thanks. I'll try to get all the info if I get in touch with the car lot. Not going to make the trip unless the phone is answered tomorrow. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week
Yeah. It's silly, it's expensive, it requires more maintenance, but it looks good. Stainless steel counters are probably the best overall. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Funny thing is my tenants get the granite and stainless and I get the dated laminate and old appliances in my house! I just can't understand the granite fad. The tile countertop fad was goofy, but to replace that with a piece of rock with porosity is nuts to me. The requirement that everything in food plants/restaurants/lockers is goofy too. A formica surface is non-porous and does not promote growth of bacteria. A lot easier to clean and maintain too. For kitchens, my preferences are: countertop: Maple (yes it requires some maintenance) formica Stainless polypropylene HD polyethylene acrylic polystyrene probably a few other materials tile then rocks For appliances: Paint Who cares what color Stainless (requires care and maintenance to keep it looking good) -- Dieselhead, Curmudgeon, who is waiting for the rock couuntertop fad to die like leisure suits 87 300D 87 SDL 81 240D 2 pedals with 3 in wait. 80 240D 3 pedals The nut that holds the wheel is the cause of 99% of auto accidents and the majority of roadside breakdowns, and is the cause of many engine failures. Does YOUR car need to have the nut that holds the wheel replaced? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week
On 05/12/2011 5:45 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I have replaced numerous appliances that worked fine. Their only flaw was that they were not stainless. This whole stainless thing is a bit silly but tenants pay more rent with updated kitchens! Funny thing is my tenants get the granite and stainless and I get the dated laminate and old appliances in my house! Sent from my iPhone Well, the only reason we chose stainless for the new dishwasher is that we got a new stove a couple of years back and it is stainless. So, the obvious choice for the DW was to match it since it is the newest of the group. The refrigerator is next but we are in no hurry. It is almond, or buff or whatever the not white color is these days - biscuit maybe? The one in the basement leaks water from the freezer defrost cycle and is rusting so who knows how long it will go? It is avocado green and we have had it since 1973. In the bathroom remodels - downstairs a few years back and now upstairs in progress, we have used all white fixtures and will add color with some paint. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
Nukes! (Some day we put it in roller scates). There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom. -- Robert Millikan, Nobel Prize in Physics, 1923 On a more serious note; ever since we went away from muscle power, we got fatter and dumber. And now we are stymied slugs. Gravity is a given constant. Problem is that what comes down has to be put up first. The other goods this planet provides, i.e. rain, wind, tide, sunlight ... Problem is,these are not on demand, only available when provided. The society we live in is demanding and willing to pay for provision. Back to Atoms. Theye are everywhere. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:48 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: In that case no contest - electricity wins. On 12/5/11, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Ah but you missed the reference to Hydro Electric Power and Dams! We have or at least did have a thermal power generating station or two somewhere in the province but for the most part our power comes from rivers north of us. Randy On 05/12/2011 1:06 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: But gas is cleaner than electricity if coal is burned to make the power... On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 03/12/2011 3:06 PM, Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/**peterferrara/2011/12/01/** salvaging-the-mythology-of-**man-caused-global-warming/http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/12/01/salvaging-the-mythology-of-man-caused-global-warming/ Very reasonable article - thanks. However, it fails to address the issue of individual action. The article intends to rebut the concept that governments via UN *should* do something about warmist concerns. The issue rather seems to be our waste of resources. If not waste, at least it is an over-use of stuff that really is not necessary. That is where I want to live - using less, consuming less, producing positive impact on resources. In that type positive impact practice / argument, there is a consensus building and... shudder... cooperation and compromise from both sides. When is the last time we have seen compromise or cooperation? Maybe some more compromise and cooperation would be healthy? A bit off the topic of confronting warmist claims, but in a similar cooperative / compromise thinking... Has anyone ever eaten fois gras? - not me. Here is a talk given at TED that is interesting and shows a guy producing fois gras in a manner unlike most today: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_**barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_** parable.htmlhttp://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_parable.html http://www.time.com/time/**magazine/article/0,9171,**1919163,00.htmlhttp://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1919163,00.html mao __**_ Odds are that we will all use less and less as we get older and move into retirement. 2nd subject I wonder what our provincial government is thinking a lot of the time. We have a reasonable supply of hydro electric power and the ability to produce more if we build more dams. Our government wants us to use less so that they can sell it to you folks south of the border. That makes no sense to me. I do not understand why they want us to buy natural gas from other provinces and use it instead of electicity. Our electrical utility (Manitoba Hydro) even went so far as to take over the gas distribution system so now the electrical producer is the one who sells us the gas. I am not expert on any of this. I guess at this stage, the gas is still a less expensive way to heat my home than electricity is but since we have the electricity and we have to import the gas from elsewhere and everyone wants to worry about greenhouse gas emissions, it strikes me as a win win situation to reduce our reliance upon natural gas and encourage the locals to use electricity. Does not seem to be the plan however. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the day
All I can say, this CL Idiot does not mean to be an Idiot. Give him an E for effort (he put pictures in the add). By the way, is it Mercedes (began to purchase used Mercedes in northern VA) or Mercedeses or Mercedi? Fungus - Fungi Virus - Viruses Bacteria -Bacterii On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: When we first began to purchase used Mercedes in northern VA and then suburban MD, it seemed like 90 percent of the sellers were Iranians. I -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More OT - HWT
I work in an office that is part of a data center (our cubicles are part of an old tape library vault) that is covered by a gas discharge fire protection system. It was Halon at one time, but I believe it is now charged with CO2 or some other inert gas that is not a fluorocarbon. I walk by the big tank all the time - I'll look at it tomorrow and report back what sort of agent is in it. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Haylon. We still have a system like that at work for some reason (the current excuse is that there is an I/O board in there for a current loop system) left over from the days when a VAX lived in there. We are required to evacuate the building if it ever goes off, Halon is a chloro-fluorcarbon of some sort, and once you breath it in, it's very difficult to get it back out of your lungs -- very dense. NASCAR and Indycar racing had a couple fatalities with it in the 60's or early 70's and quit using it in race cars -- tended to extinguish the driver along with a fire. Pretty funny that most smartphones have an order of magnitude better processor performance than a DEC VAX. Peter On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:20 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I worked in an office once where the middle of the space was a raised floor glassed-in room with a bunch of PDPs and VAxs in it. One day someone tripped the fire suppressant (I forget what it was called, some kind of freon) and it took about 30sec to completely blow down, alarms going off, etc. It cost a fair amount to replace it all. No one died but I think the guy who tripped it wished he were dead. --R On 12/4/11 7:09 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Newer refrigerants are quite inert, so explosion/fire issues aren't that big. The worst problem I can foresee would be if a unit vented the entire charge in a closed room, in which case you would have oxygen displacement. Walt On Dec 4, 2011 6:51 PM, Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: MGtrainpain2...@yahoo.com writes: still don't like the freon circulation. Why not? A heck of a lot easier to snake copper tubing through existing construction than to install ductwork. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
And patiencently applied skill. Remember, soft steel (hex rounds off) and hollow (shears at the weak pont = end of threads). If all fails, Easy-Out. No drilling! Tapered seat below. Brake fittings are hollow steel, thus somewhat weak, and they rust. There's a lot of heat and water down there, not to mention road salt. The calipers are iron, but I don't think there's much galvanic action even though the metals aren't identical. Penetrant and heat are your friends. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Two 190Ds for $3000 each
Jim, I think your 2.5 manual is geared wrong, I still say you should pull the diff from the 2.2l which would make 5th gear worth having. I find my 2.2l auto a nice car to drive. So I've had 2 2.2l, a 5spd and an auto. The 2.5 will be an '86, 2.2 was '84-'85, 2.5 was '86 until I think '88 which was I think the last year for diesel 201s in this country. I put ~90,000 miles on my first 190D until the diff got noisy. It had 310,000 miles on it at that point. I never had any real engine troubles. The 60x engines start MUCH easier than a 61x engine and will start at much lower temps. The 201 is a much more refined car than a 123 car too. Less character but more refinement. My 2.2l 5spd averaged 38mpg mostly highway over 90,000 miles, the auto box seems to be 1mpg shy of what the 5spd could do. They have the same diff ratio in the 2.2 (not sure about the 2.5) and the auto could really use a 5th gear, it winds the engine right up like a 240D at highway speed. My wife prefers my 190D to her 240D and wants me to get another 190D to replace the 240D. I think it more likely I'll look for a 124 300D though if we do something like that. More space would be nice. A 190D is very cramped with 4 people or 2 people, the dog and camping gear... -Curt Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 05:18:44 -0800 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Two 190Ds for $3000 each Message-ID: a85eef28-1f43-11e1-9b66-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed That price seems high to me, but maybe not if everything works and is in good order. Any problems unique to these models to look out for? Suspension may be shot. Ours was. Truly the most weird scary thing I ever drove until it was sorted out. HVAC flakey, perhaps. Seems to be a lot of that going around, and the control panel seems to be resistant to repair. Usual MB electronics fun like CC that doesn't work, but that's certainly not unique to that car. I thought I remembered hearing a rumor that the 601 was less reliable than the 602, but don't quote me on that. I know I have a 601 manual in the woods that threw a rod. (Its tranny now graces our 2.5, which had a bad automatic.) Would the 2.5 get worse mileage than the 2.2? In stickshift form our 2.5 got 42 MPG a time or two, but usually it's nowhere near that high. (Especially since I worked on it, the timing may be off some.) I think the 2.2 manuals are the high-mileage jobs. If they have less power than the 2.5 I don't think I'd like driving it. (OTOH the 2.0 Frankenheap has _excellent_ drivability characteristics, so what's up with that?) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Two 190Ds for $3000 each
The 60x engines are aluminum heads and will not tolerate abuse like a 61x will but are otherwise quite robust. 45mpg would be dreamland, long trip, 62mph on the dot (the sweet spot on a 5spd anyway) for hours with a tailwind. Best tank I ever did was 42mpg. -Curt Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:05:05 -0500 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Two 190Ds for $3000 each Message-ID: 652C9A50E4F7464385BA2A4B3C8BBB9E@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response I forget what the Frankenheap is. A '70s model 200D? Seem to recall that someone on the list had problems with blown head gaskets and warped heads on a 190D. Called the dealer who has them but there was no answer. Recession is bad here on the Florida west coast and many businesses have started closing on Mondays. Wikipedia says the first and second of that engine series were the same bhp; that MB increased displacement on the second in order to meet emission requirements. Looking around the web, both 2.2 and 2.5 stickshifts are claimed to get similar mpg; roughly 35/45 mpg. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Heating
The York compressors aren't that much more expensive (Rusty's website has gone dumb but I looked into this last summer when I thought the compressor in my 240D had gone south) than the other type and when you add in the conversion kit and consider the amount you run the car the York is probably just as good a choice. I bet somebody could replace the valves in your York even cheaper. I lucked out, mine just needs a hose, a drier and vacuum/refill. Supposedly the York, when operating correctly will produce some serious cold. It sucks down HP but really does a good job. I'll know next year. -Curt Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:18:27 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heating Message-ID: 4edcfce3.4090...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed We only get the scorched air smell when we first fire up in the fall after the heat has been sitting off for months. Then it burns off a bit of dust in the first few minutes. After that, no scorch! Actually, we are an area of extremes. Winter is cold and summer is often hot. We ran the AC a lot last summer. The heat is also one of the reasons that I did not run my car much last summer. My AC is no longer working. I think the valves in the compressor must have given up as it has a charge but the high and low sides are about even meaning I assume that it is not compressing. Anyone have an opinion on the pros and cons of doing the swap to the more modern sytle compressor? I see ads for a conversion with the bracket to mount the round GM style unit in place of the old piston style pump. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fw: Your message to Mercedes awaits moderator approval
Administrivia? What the heck? -Curt --- On Mon, 12/5/11, mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Subject: Your message to Mercedes awaits moderator approval To: curtlud...@yahoo.com Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 8:39 PM Your mail to 'Mercedes' with the subject RE: [MBZ] Uh, Oh! and 190Ds Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message may contain administrivia Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/confirm/mercedes_okiebenz.com/f3784d43aecd49af0c747ed6c3737dd7438c3743 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Escort radar detector mount
Glen, How do you like the Escort? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Smart Keys
In the mids of a loosing battle to get a spare key from other sources than a Stealer, I learned this from a friend: Hans, I think VW does this due to US insurance laws -- pretty much any modern car is like that nowadays. The downside of this is that when a modern car is stolen, the insurance companies consider it an inside job and the owner of the car is at fault until he proves he didn't give his key to someone. You need to have every single key for your car in your possession to get past that one I hear. But the catch 22 to that is if your car is stolen and burned and you have all the keys, you are automatically investigated for insurance fraud because the auto makers claim that the car cannot be operated without the proper RFID keys. Are all brands like this nowaday? Boy, I am hanging on to the old MB (just broke in @ 200k). -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
Randy wrote: Ah but you missed the reference to Hydro Electric Power and Dams! A recent story told about how Washington state is dismantling several hydroelectric dam installations. Of course, these are in the migration paths for salmon spawns, so dismantling them is a plus for that industry. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Heating
Yorks are bullet proof. bonus of not needing oil circulating in the system, so better cooling! ;) Walt On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The York compressors aren't that much more expensive (Rusty's website has gone dumb but I looked into this last summer when I thought the compressor in my 240D had gone south) than the other type and when you add in the conversion kit and consider the amount you run the car the York is probably just as good a choice. I bet somebody could replace the valves in your York even cheaper. I lucked out, mine just needs a hose, a drier and vacuum/refill. Supposedly the York, when operating correctly will produce some serious cold. It sucks down HP but really does a good job. I'll know next year. -Curt Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:18:27 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heating Message-ID: 4edcfce3.4090...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed We only get the scorched air smell when we first fire up in the fall after the heat has been sitting off for months. Then it burns off a bit of dust in the first few minutes. After that, no scorch! Actually, we are an area of extremes. Winter is cold and summer is often hot. We ran the AC a lot last summer. The heat is also one of the reasons that I did not run my car much last summer. My AC is no longer working. I think the valves in the compressor must have given up as it has a charge but the high and low sides are about even meaning I assume that it is not compressing. Anyone have an opinion on the pros and cons of doing the swap to the more modern sytle compressor? I see ads for a conversion with the bracket to mount the round GM style unit in place of the old piston style pump. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Heating
They also make decent air compressors for trail rigs. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Yorks are bullet proof. bonus of not needing oil circulating in the system, so better cooling! ;) Walt On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The York compressors aren't that much more expensive (Rusty's website has gone dumb but I looked into this last summer when I thought the compressor in my 240D had gone south) than the other type and when you add in the conversion kit and consider the amount you run the car the York is probably just as good a choice. I bet somebody could replace the valves in your York even cheaper. I lucked out, mine just needs a hose, a drier and vacuum/refill. Supposedly the York, when operating correctly will produce some serious cold. It sucks down HP but really does a good job. I'll know next year. -Curt Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:18:27 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heating Message-ID: 4edcfce3.4090...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed We only get the scorched air smell when we first fire up in the fall after the heat has been sitting off for months. Then it burns off a bit of dust in the first few minutes. After that, no scorch! Actually, we are an area of extremes. Winter is cold and summer is often hot. We ran the AC a lot last summer. The heat is also one of the reasons that I did not run my car much last summer. My AC is no longer working. I think the valves in the compressor must have given up as it has a charge but the high and low sides are about even meaning I assume that it is not compressing. Anyone have an opinion on the pros and cons of doing the swap to the more modern sytle compressor? I see ads for a conversion with the bracket to mount the round GM style unit in place of the old piston style pump. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week
Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: What's a HTW? Hot water tank, maybe? I hate acronyms (WTF = where to file - former office clerk wrote this on documents she brought back to me). No no no, we all know that WTF is the acronym for Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, which is a Navy short-hand code from semaphore and signal flag days. Rough translation is Stand-by, we will send over a Corpsman to help with your cranial-rectal inversion. I used to write the following next to action items in meeting minutes: a name followed by F/up. Later someone asked why I thought so-and-so would F up their action. I had no clue, I merely wanted so-and-so to FOLLOW up their action with status report. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the day
Goose-Geese Mercedoose-Mercedes :. (therefore) Mercedes is plural All I can say, this CL Idiot does not mean to be an Idiot. Give him an E for effort (he put pictures in the add). By the way, is it Mercedes (began to purchase used Mercedes in northern VA) or Mercedeses or Mercedi? Fungus - Fungi Virus - Viruses Bacteria -Bacterii ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com writes: And patiencently applied skill. Remember, soft steel (hex rounds off) and hollow (shears at the weak pont = end of threads). If all fails, Easy-Out. No drilling! Tapered seat below. And if you think you're in a fix when the bleeder shears off, just wait until you have an EZ-Out snaps off. Don't ask me how I know. Luckily I've never had an issue with the bleeders on a Benz. Pretty much everything else though. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Smart Keys
Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com writes: The downside of this is that when a modern car is stolen, the insurance companies consider it an inside job and the owner of the car is at fault until he proves he didn't give his key to someone. You need to have every single key for your car in your possession to get past that one I hear. Sounds like an urban legend to me. Can't imagine they'd get away with that. It's not something finance companies would tolerate, for one thing. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
SWMBA was involved in that mess. The reason the dams are gone is that the state decided, along with federal idiots to impose crippling requirements for relicensing of the dam. Utility could have swallowed hard and tossed several billion in cash at the issue to move fish and upgrade all sorts of other niggling issues. Turned out cheaper to just blow them up and be done. Take the loss on the books and look for other generation sources. The decline in hydro feeds into the other renewable energy fields. With less hydro (which is not considered renewable here) BPA will have to allow wind and solar onto the grid instead of forcing them to shut down due to excess hydro generation because there is too much water behind the dam. Big run on federal cash that obama was tossing about over the past three years. Lots of new wind farms on the books and some geothermal in the pipeline. Oddly, there is no geothermal regulations on the books in Washington, so this is going to be a clusterF**k to get up. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Dec 5, 2011, at 6:01 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Randy wrote: Ah but you missed the reference to Hydro Electric Power and Dams! A recent story told about how Washington state is dismantling several hydroelectric dam installations. Of course, these are in the migration paths for salmon spawns, so dismantling them is a plus for that industry. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
And salmon sex... Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:01:09 -0600 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming Message-ID: calk3cy44wcps+enhok6qgrf4dw9ye-y8ckzdzv6a4bfypk2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Randy wrote: Ah but you missed the reference to Hydro Electric Power and Dams! A recent story told about how Washington state is dismantling several hydroelectric dam installations. Of course, these are in the migration paths for salmon spawns, so dismantling them is a plus for that industry. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the day
Mercedes is also the plural, IMHO. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: All I can say, this CL Idiot does not mean to be an Idiot. Give him an E for effort (he put pictures in the add). By the way, is it Mercedes (began to purchase used Mercedes in northern VA) or Mercedeses or Mercedi? Fungus - Fungi Virus - Viruses Bacteria -Bacterii On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: When we first began to purchase used Mercedes in northern VA and then suburban MD, it seemed like 90 percent of the sellers were Iranians. I -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Smart Keys
It's only a loosing battle if your shorts don't fit. Otherwise, it's a LOSING battle. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: In the mids of a loosing battle to get a spare key from other sources than a Stealer, I learned this from a friend: Hans, I think VW does this due to US insurance laws -- pretty much any modern car is like that nowadays. The downside of this is that when a modern car is stolen, the insurance companies consider it an inside job and the owner of the car is at fault until he proves he didn't give his key to someone. You need to have every single key for your car in your possession to get past that one I hear. But the catch 22 to that is if your car is stolen and burned and you have all the keys, you are automatically investigated for insurance fraud because the auto makers claim that the car cannot be operated without the proper RFID keys. Are all brands like this nowaday? Boy, I am hanging on to the old MB (just broke in @ 200k). -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week
Agree. Much to be said for good old Formica. That's what we used when we redid the kitchen. Also ran it up the walls from backsplash to cabinets for a smooth, hard, easy-clean setyp. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week Funny thing is my tenants get the granite and stainless and I get the dated laminate and old appliances in my house! I just can't understand the granite fad. The tile countertop fad was goofy, but to replace that with a piece of rock with porosity is nuts to me. The requirement that everything in food plants/restaurants/lockers is goofy too. A formica surface is non-porous and does not promote growth of bacteria. A lot easier to clean and maintain too. For kitchens, my preferences are: countertop: Maple (yes it requires some maintenance) formica Stainless polypropylene HD polyethylene acrylic polystyrene probably a few other materials tile then rocks For appliances: Paint Who cares what color Stainless (requires care and maintenance to keep it looking good) -- Dieselhead, Curmudgeon, who is waiting for the rock couuntertop fad to die like leisure suits 87 300D 87 SDL 81 240D 2 pedals with 3 in wait. 80 240D 3 pedals The nut that holds the wheel is the cause of 99% of auto accidents and the majority of roadside breakdowns, and is the cause of many engine failures. Does YOUR car need to have the nut that holds the wheel replaced? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week
oops, that was supposed to say: The requirement that everything in food plants/restaurants/lockers has to be stainless steel is goofy too. Agree. Much to be said for good old Formica. That's what we used when we redid the kitchen. Also ran it up the walls from backsplash to cabinets for a smooth, hard, easy-clean setyp. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week Funny thing is my tenants get the granite and stainless and I get the dated laminate and old appliances in my house! I just can't understand the granite fad. The tile countertop fad was goofy, but to replace that with a piece of rock with porosity is nuts to me. The requirement that everything in food plants/restaurants/lockers is goofy too. A formica surface is non-porous and does not promote growth of bacteria. A lot easier to clean and maintain too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
Remember, soft steel (hex rounds off) I used a 6-point box-end. It's what I use exclusively _unless_ I don't have enough swing room and need a 12-point. Much less likely to round off the flats. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Two 190Ds for $3000 each
I forget what the Frankenheap is. A '70s model 200D? Yep, 115. See: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/frankenheap.html similar mpg; roughly 35/45 mpg. 45? Dream on. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] CL idiot of the day
I thought the singular was bacterium and the plural was bacteria. Jerry 82 240D __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6686 (20111205) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
