Re: [MBZ] OT - DC-7
I worked for a while with a guy who was an aircraft mechanic in the prop days. He loved the connies. He told story after story about Connies. (A good irishman) Eisenhower's Columbine, however, was not a DC-7, it was a triple-tailed Lockheed Constellation. See http://www.airforceone.info/afocolmb.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Constellation We had some EC-121s (electronic countermeasures) visit our flightline at Peterson Field when I was in the USAF. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - DC-7
No 7s for me. I flew on a DC-6 on an interisland flight when I was a kid. 1965. Hnl-Ito My first flight on a prop driven plane. Right after my first flight on a jet - PanAm 707. THAT was FLYING! The 6 was a blast for me. over water, it started vibrating, and eventually they feathered #2, closest to my window. A lot of people started to go nuts, but the pilot came on and told us there was no worry, so the fools settled down. I knew the plane could reach Hilo from where we were on 2 engines, and land safely, so I thought it was a blast to be on a flight where something happened and see how the crew handled it. Back then the crew could fly with the cockpit door open. On the return trip we flew the other airline on F-27, and I thought that was neat too, because I could look out the window and see the RR on the engine. I flew ON one when I was a kid. --R On 3/17/12 9:48 PM, Mountain Man wrote: What a beast. Did Wilton ever fly a massive craft like this? Has anyone else here ever flown a craft like this? http://marcbrecy.perso.neuf.fr/DC7.html Enjoy mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - DC-7
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:46:04 -0500 Peter Frederick wrote: > The DC-7 was a very short-lived aircraft. The long range version > (the 7C) with Wright Trubo-compound engines and a wing stretch could > fly non-stop New York to London, but two years after it entered > service Boeing introduced the 707, and piston engined airframes were > history on long routes, just about as fast as airlines could put a > 707 or DeHavilland Comet in serivce. > > Out of production by 1958, I think. > > By all reports, a fine airplane, just very slow and small by jet > standards. > > I've been on one (the Columbine, Eisenhower's Air Force 1), but don't > believe I've ever ridden in one. Eisenhower's Columbine, however, was not a DC-7, it was a triple-tailed Lockheed Constellation. See http://www.airforceone.info/afocolmb.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Constellation We had some EC-121s (electronic countermeasures) visit our flightline at Peterson Field when I was in the USAF. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - DC-7
The DC-7 was a very short-lived aircraft. The long range version (the 7C) with Wright Trubo-compound engines and a wing stretch could fly non-stop New York to London, but two years after it entered service Boeing introduced the 707, and piston engined airframes were history on long routes, just about as fast as airlines could put a 707 or DeHavilland Comet in serivce. Out of production by 1958, I think. By all reports, a fine airplane, just very slow and small by jet standards. I've been on one (the Columbine, Eisenhower's Air Force 1), but don't believe I've ever ridden in one. Peter On Mar 17, 2012, at 10:20 PM, WILTON wrote: Well, me, too, at about 22 or 23. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - DC-7 I flew ON one when I was a kid. --R On 3/17/12 9:48 PM, Mountain Man wrote: What a beast. Did Wilton ever fly a massive craft like this? Has anyone else here ever flown a craft like this? http://marcbrecy.perso.neuf.fr/DC7.html Enjoy mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - DC-7
Well, me, too, at about 22 or 23. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - DC-7 I flew ON one when I was a kid. --R On 3/17/12 9:48 PM, Mountain Man wrote: What a beast. Did Wilton ever fly a massive craft like this? Has anyone else here ever flown a craft like this? http://marcbrecy.perso.neuf.fr/DC7.html Enjoy mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - DC-7
Not I. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Mountain Man" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 9:48 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - DC-7 What a beast. Did Wilton ever fly a massive craft like this? Has anyone else here ever flown a craft like this? http://marcbrecy.perso.neuf.fr/DC7.html Enjoy mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Glow Plugs Question
If the glow plug relay is staying on, or reactivating frequently while driving, that would explain the need to replace plugs and also the need to replace the replacements. Can you wire up an LED or something to the relay output so you know exactly when/if the plugs are energized whild driving? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front door trim nipples
They'll work really well, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Hendrik & Fay" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 front door trim nipples OK so the plan is I go to the saleslady and ask her if she has pink pop friction nipples? What if she says that she only has brown ones? Will they work? Hendrik who needs a cold shower On 18/03/12 06:16, WILTON wrote: Be sure to ask for pink ones. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Hendrik & Fay" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 front door trim nipples Speaking of which I need to get meself some of those trim clips, although "pop friction nipples" sounds cooler and I may go down to the local stealer and ask in a big voice if they have "pop friction nipples", unfortunately I could not go up to a female sales lady and ask her, more than likely will be arrested and go on some sort of register. As can be seen by the picture, the pin has to be pushed out to remove the clip, some of mine are busted and the trim is off one of the doors. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MERCEDES-EXTERIOR-DOOR-MOULDING-TRIM-CLIPS-124-W124-/190565643916 Hendrik who has broken nipples ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - DC-7
Mao, et al. Great aeroplane. Thanks for the clip. I flew on one from the UK to Aden to start the worst tour of my service life. Scottish Aviation, if my shaky memory is to be trusted. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 3/17/2012 9:48 PM, Mountain Man wrote: What a beast. Did Wilton ever fly a massive craft like this? Has anyone else here ever flown a craft like this? http://marcbrecy.perso.neuf.fr/DC7.html Enjoy mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blown the bumper off
A nifty variation of the parachute. -- please excuse the delay in response, I had to wait for the tape to rewind on my commodore 64. Hendrik & Fay wrote: You may have heard the expression to 'blow the doors off', well in the world of MB vans, it seems 'blow the bumper off' has to be used. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNipnh-IHsE&feature=youtu.be Hendrik who used to go to the drag races many years ago _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front door trim nipples
Depends on the temperature. --R On 3/17/12 8:26 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote: OK so the plan is I go to the saleslady and ask her if she has pink pop friction nipples? What if she says that she only has brown ones? Will they work? Hendrik who needs a cold shower On 18/03/12 06:16, WILTON wrote: Be sure to ask for pink ones. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Hendrik & Fay" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 front door trim nipples Speaking of which I need to get meself some of those trim clips, although "pop friction nipples" sounds cooler and I may go down to the local stealer and ask in a big voice if they have "pop friction nipples", unfortunately I could not go up to a female sales lady and ask her, more than likely will be arrested and go on some sort of register. As can be seen by the picture, the pin has to be pushed out to remove the clip, some of mine are busted and the trim is off one of the doors. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MERCEDES-EXTERIOR-DOOR-MOULDING-TRIM-CLIPS-124-W124-/190565643916 Hendrik who has broken nipples ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - DC-7
I flew ON one when I was a kid. --R On 3/17/12 9:48 PM, Mountain Man wrote: What a beast. Did Wilton ever fly a massive craft like this? Has anyone else here ever flown a craft like this? http://marcbrecy.perso.neuf.fr/DC7.html Enjoy mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Glow Plugs Question
Max writes: > I think you simply have two defective plugs. Failure to ream out > carbon would, I think, short a plug out, not cause high resistance. This is why I go with the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" policy. I replace the plugs that measure bad. The rest of them stay until they cause problems. Though admittedly replacing plugs on a 617 is relatively easy. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Glow Plugs Question
Robert. If the glow plug light comes on during driving, either the glow plug relay is faulty or there is a momentary disconnect in the ignition supply to the relay, that resets the relay to the pre-glow condition. Worn ignition switch? YMMV. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 3/17/2012 9:02 PM, rmassm...@embarqmail.com wrote: All, I just recently installed new glow plugs in my E300D. All was good after the install and then shortly after on my way to work the glow plug lamp cam on about half way during my trip to work that takes about an hour. After take cold idle has been much rougher. I then checked the ohms read of the individual plugs and found that 2 out the six new plugs (Beru brand) read high on resistance 10.0-11.0 ohms compared to the rest that read 1.8-1.9. I believe that I am going to have to change these two plugs. I am surprised that the new plugs had failed in some form in such a short period of time. I changed all six to eliminate having to me back and change one of the old plugs because I didn’t know how old they were. Regards, Robert Massmann Oregonia, Ohio 1995 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Glow Plugs Question
rmassm...@embarqmail.com wrote: >All, > >I just recently installed new glow plugs in my E300D. All was good >after the install and then shortly after on my way to work the glow >plug lamp cam on about half way during my trip to work that takes about >an hour. After take cold idle has been much rougher. I then checked the >ohms read of the individual plugs and found that 2 out the six new >plugs (Beru brand) read high on resistance 10.0-11.0 ohms compared to >the rest that read 1.8-1.9. I believe that I am going to have to change >these two plugs. I am surprised that the new plugs had failed in some >form in such a short period of time. I changed all six to eliminate >having to me back and change one of the old plugs because I didn’t know >how old they were. > >Regards, >Robert Massmann >Oregonia, Ohio >1995 E300D >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com I think you simply have two defective plugs. Failure to ream out carbon would, I think, short a plug out, not cause high resistance. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - DC-7
What a beast. Did Wilton ever fly a massive craft like this? Has anyone else here ever flown a craft like this? http://marcbrecy.perso.neuf.fr/DC7.html Enjoy mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Glow Plugs Question
'Never saw a ? What's the question? Can new plugs short against carbon in the pre-chamber and burn our pre-maturely? If I install new plugs without reaming the carbon out, do I run the risk of this happening? Can new plugs just be bad from the factory? The answer to the above questions is yes. Rick Sent from my iPhone. On Mar 17, 2012, at 8:03 PM, rmassm...@embarqmail.com wrote: > All, > > I just recently installed new glow plugs in my E300D. All was good after the > install and then shortly after on my way to work the glow plug lamp cam on > about half way during my trip to work that takes about an hour. After take > cold idle has been much rougher. I then checked the ohms read of the > individual plugs and found that 2 out the six new plugs (Beru brand) read > high on resistance 10.0-11.0 ohms compared to the rest that read 1.8-1.9. I > believe that I am going to have to change these two plugs. I am surprised > that the new plugs had failed in some form in such a short period of time. I > changed all six to eliminate having to me back and change one of the old > plugs because I didn’t know how old they were. > > Regards, > Robert Massmann > Oregonia, Ohio > 1995 E300D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] New Glow Plugs Question
All, I just recently installed new glow plugs in my E300D. All was good after the install and then shortly after on my way to work the glow plug lamp cam on about half way during my trip to work that takes about an hour. After take cold idle has been much rougher. I then checked the ohms read of the individual plugs and found that 2 out the six new plugs (Beru brand) read high on resistance 10.0-11.0 ohms compared to the rest that read 1.8-1.9. I believe that I am going to have to change these two plugs. I am surprised that the new plugs had failed in some form in such a short period of time. I changed all six to eliminate having to me back and change one of the old plugs because I didn’t know how old they were. Regards, Robert Massmann Oregonia, Ohio 1995 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front door trim nipples
OK so the plan is I go to the saleslady and ask her if she has pink pop friction nipples? What if she says that she only has brown ones? Will they work? Hendrik who needs a cold shower On 18/03/12 06:16, WILTON wrote: Be sure to ask for pink ones. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Hendrik & Fay" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 front door trim nipples Speaking of which I need to get meself some of those trim clips, although "pop friction nipples" sounds cooler and I may go down to the local stealer and ask in a big voice if they have "pop friction nipples", unfortunately I could not go up to a female sales lady and ask her, more than likely will be arrested and go on some sort of register. As can be seen by the picture, the pin has to be pushed out to remove the clip, some of mine are busted and the trim is off one of the doors. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MERCEDES-EXTERIOR-DOOR-MOULDING-TRIM-CLIPS-124-W124-/190565643916 Hendrik who has broken nipples ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 ACC Issue
Thanks, Manfred, I'll contact you next time I'm going up that way and bring along the ram just in case. Gerry From: "MG" From what I remember reading on their web site you can use any oil and even mix and match the various refrigerants. In my case I had been using 134a and had the ester oil in there. There was enough in there to have about 5lbs pressure. I just shook the can and then inverted the can and ran it in like it said. I actually put in one can last year with the 134a to get the system up to cooling right near the end of the summer and it worked just the same as the 134a alone. Over the winter most of everything leaked out so now I have pretty much just the envirosafe in it. The leak seems to be at the fill valve so not having any way to recover the stuff I guess I will just have to wait till it leaks out again and then replace the valve. I seem to remember having done that before but they don't seem to last very long. They do say not to put the stuff into a vacuum so maybe you will have to put just enough 134a in there to get about 5lbs and then go from there. Two cans was just right for mine so you probably don't need any more then that. If you want to come over some time I have some extra so we can put that in right quick. Manfred Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:25:22 -0400 From: "Gerry Archer" Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300 ACC Issue Hi Manfred, Do you have ester oil in your A/C system or did you flush and change it? I'm thinking of putting Envirosafe in one of mine but wondered if oil had to be changed since I just flushed the system and put in fresh ester oil, a new compressor. and a new filter unit. I have a good vacuum pump. Thanks, Gerry P.S. I have a couple of the ram chips out of a no-name laptop that you can have if the 512s don't work. Contact me offline if you need them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4876 - Release Date: 03/17/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Use of synthetic oil in older diesels
Its all Greek to me, so you saying the Wally world oil is good or bad? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 17, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Larry T wrote: > Speaking of Oils and Walmart's Branded Oil "Super Tech 15W40", I had the Lab > test a sample from a new bottle of this that I had just bought at WallyWorld. > See the 1st column below - > > Since I didn't run these Oils in my cars the only numbers that tell a story > are the Additives - all other values are dependent on engine use. So, we > have the following Additive Levels - > Sodium - 7 15 > Potassium - <10 <10 > Molybdenum - 42164 > Phosphorus - 1124 1375 > Zinc - 1262 1328 > Calcium - 1105 3456 > Barium - <10 <10 > Magnesium - 83553 > Antimony - <30 <30 > Vanadium - <1 <1 > > A test of a new sample of 0W20 Mobil 1 has Additives with values shown in the > 2nd column. > > Obviously, the big differences are in Molbdenum (a lubricating additive and > in some situations a indication of Ring Wear), Calcium and Magnesium. There > are some minor differences in the ZDDP additives whose abilities are pretty > well known. > The Calcium is used as Detergents, dispersants, acid neutralizer. > The Magnesium is used as a Dispersant, detergent additive, alloying metal. > > I will leave it at that - I have 1 or 2 other samples of new oil that was > done -- I'll dig them out and see if they are relevant - > > Have a great weekend! > LarryT > 91 300D > > On 3/15/2012 9:41 AM, Dieselhead wrote >> You can use M1 or Amsoil for Diesel engines rated CF in any aluminum head >> (OM60x) MB Diesel with extended change interval. You can use M1 CF rated in >> iron head (OM61x, OM621, OM636) MB Diesels with good results with normal >> change intervals. Some extended interval might be possible, but you need to >> use oil analysis to determine soot levels to arrive at change intervals. >> THe OM60x engines don't get as much soot in the oil as the iron head engines >> do. ULSD fuels in theory should produce less soot in the iron head Diesels >> too. >> >> The arguments come in whether the CI rated M1 oils still contain high enough >> levels of some components to adequately protect older Diesels. >> >> Beware of Castrol syntec and other "synthetic" oils. They provide NO >> extended change interval capabilities. Jury is still out on Royal Purple >> and Valvoline synthetic. >> >> List member LarryT can help with oil analysis. >> >> I use M1 in my 603s with 10k intervals and dino in the 616s with normal >> intervals. >> >> Let the arguments begin. >> >>> I have been reading with interest the threads re the "smoking SDL" and the >>> turbo issues. In them there are references to using M1 oil, and I am a bit >>> confused/curious. I have been under the impression that the older diesels >>> should not be using synthetic oils, and not to switch from dino to >>> synthetic. Am I wrong here?? Thanks >>> >>> >>> Ralph '87 300 SDL >>> '84 300 CD >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo WAS:smokin SDL
Big blob of orange silicone sealant in the oil passage at the spun bearing. Peter On Mar 17, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: But is that what caused it? Sealant plugging the oil passage? Randy On 16/03/2012 5:40 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Starved the #2 main and #2 crankpin of oil, scored the crank, and it broke on the highway doing 60, trashed the engine. Peter On Mar 16, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: So, what happened to your brother's 300D? RTV sealant got sucked in and plugged an oil passage??? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 front door trim nipples
Be sure to ask for pink ones. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Hendrik & Fay" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 front door trim nipples Speaking of which I need to get meself some of those trim clips, although "pop friction nipples" sounds cooler and I may go down to the local stealer and ask in a big voice if they have "pop friction nipples", unfortunately I could not go up to a female sales lady and ask her, more than likely will be arrested and go on some sort of register. As can be seen by the picture, the pin has to be pushed out to remove the clip, some of mine are busted and the trim is off one of the doors. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MERCEDES-EXTERIOR-DOOR-MOULDING-TRIM-CLIPS-124-W124-/190565643916 Hendrik who has broken nipples On 17/03/12 12:11, Dieselhead wrote: Yes, that is correct. 'Noticed this morning that the black, lower, external trim on right front door of my '87 300D is bent slightly outward about 8 inches or so from its back end. Back end of it (at the screw) sticks out about half inch or so from the door sheet metal. Screw is still in place. 'Was puzzled for few minutes trying to understand how the end of the trim got bent outward like this. There's no sign of impact, no marks, no scratches, etc. 'Finally realized that, when I closed the door after unloading stuff purchased at Sam's from my mobility scooter coupla days ago, I very likely caught the corner/end of the trim on the "nose" of the scooter above its front wheel - height matches perfectly. Is this trim mounted much like that on the 126 - the screw at the back end and little, "pop," friction nipples along the rest of it, so that it can be easily removed by prying with a putty knife-like tool? I suspect that it is, but not sure. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo WAS:smokin SDL
But is that what caused it? Sealant plugging the oil passage? Randy On 16/03/2012 5:40 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Starved the #2 main and #2 crankpin of oil, scored the crank, and it broke on the highway doing 60, trashed the engine. Peter On Mar 16, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: So, what happened to your brother's 300D? RTV sealant got sucked in and plugged an oil passage??? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Use of synthetic oil in older diesels
Speaking of Oils and Walmart's Branded Oil "Super Tech 15W40", I had the Lab test a sample from a new bottle of this that I had just bought at WallyWorld. See the 1st column below - Since I didn't run these Oils in my cars the only numbers that tell a story are the Additives - all other values are dependent on engine use. So, we have the following Additive Levels - Sodium - 7 15 Potassium - <10 <10 Molybdenum - 42164 Phosphorus - 1124 1375 Zinc - 1262 1328 Calcium - 1105 3456 Barium - <10 <10 Magnesium - 83553 Antimony - <30 <30 Vanadium - <1 <1 A test of a new sample of 0W20 Mobil 1 has Additives with values shown in the 2nd column. Obviously, the big differences are in Molbdenum (a lubricating additive and in some situations a indication of Ring Wear), Calcium and Magnesium. There are some minor differences in the ZDDP additives whose abilities are pretty well known. The Calcium is used as Detergents, dispersants, acid neutralizer. The Magnesium is used as a Dispersant, detergent additive, alloying metal. I will leave it at that - I have 1 or 2 other samples of new oil that was done -- I'll dig them out and see if they are relevant - Have a great weekend! LarryT 91 300D On 3/15/2012 9:41 AM, Dieselhead wrote You can use M1 or Amsoil for Diesel engines rated CF in any aluminum head (OM60x) MB Diesel with extended change interval. You can use M1 CF rated in iron head (OM61x, OM621, OM636) MB Diesels with good results with normal change intervals. Some extended interval might be possible, but you need to use oil analysis to determine soot levels to arrive at change intervals. THe OM60x engines don't get as much soot in the oil as the iron head engines do. ULSD fuels in theory should produce less soot in the iron head Diesels too. The arguments come in whether the CI rated M1 oils still contain high enough levels of some components to adequately protect older Diesels. Beware of Castrol syntec and other "synthetic" oils. They provide NO extended change interval capabilities. Jury is still out on Royal Purple and Valvoline synthetic. List member LarryT can help with oil analysis. I use M1 in my 603s with 10k intervals and dino in the 616s with normal intervals. Let the arguments begin. I have been reading with interest the threads re the "smoking SDL" and the turbo issues. In them there are references to using M1 oil, and I am a bit confused/curious. I have been under the impression that the older diesels should not be using synthetic oils, and not to switch from dino to synthetic. Am I wrong here?? Thanks Ralph '87 300 SDL '84 300 CD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ooops OT Re: Virtualboxing, in this box we have windows and in that box we have Linux
You have a dead mobo -- probably swollen capacitors. If you can get it to start, check the CPU temp in BIOS - very likely it will be 65 or 70C in a minute or two from ripple current leaking into the CPU DC power. They will usually start up stone cold, but get flaky fast with lots of read/write errors, BSOD, etc, and eventually trash your OS install by damaging files due to disk write errors. The CPU gets HOT, which can also give you fits, especially if the temperature overload emergency shut down doesn't happen fast enough. A mew mobo, or a good used one isn't that expensive. Peter On Mar 17, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Larry T wrote: I had a strange situation with Win 7 over the last year - I bought W7 at Costco with 3 installs on it - both 32 and 64 versions. I installed that OS using those discs on several machines - laptops and desktops - all had a similar failure - the machine would not boot for hours or never - I un-installed and re-installed the OS and the problem never got better - I bought and returned 2 ACER desktop CPUs that would have been great computers if I never had to restart them! ;-^, I finally became convinced the W7 Discs were bad. I called MS tech Support and after 1/2 hour explaining what I had done - like replacing HDs, Memory sticks, disconnecting all peripherals when troubleshooting and they finally agreed to send me new discs for free. I haven't been able to try it yet - my machine will not start and so far nothing I do will get it going - when I push the power button absolutely nothing happens - I thought the PS might be bad and replaced it - still nothing, nada. So until I find the problem or buy a new machine I will wonder if the new CDs will help Life can be strange -- LarryT 91 300D On 3/15/2012 11:46 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Hendrik& Fay writes: Anyway, I found an iso of a win7 and got it to install and run in VB but it seems to be a 30 day trial version It's not a trial version, it's an unactivated installation. Windows 7 has a 30 day timer and it will nag you intermittently about activating your license during that time. If you have not not "activated" within 30 days you get the Scarlet Letter treatment: your desktop turns black and you see "This Copy of Windows is Not Genuine" emblazoned across the background. Though according to Microsoft, these notices do not "inhibit the actual functionality of Windows 7." Here's a trick to reset the grace period. According to this article you can do it up to three times. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-7-activation-hack-trick, 8499.html Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ooops OT Re: Virtualboxing, in this box we have windows and in that box we have Linux
I had a strange situation with Win 7 over the last year - I bought W7 at Costco with 3 installs on it - both 32 and 64 versions. I installed that OS using those discs on several machines - laptops and desktops - all had a similar failure - the machine would not boot for hours or never - I un-installed and re-installed the OS and the problem never got better - I bought and returned 2 ACER desktop CPUs that would have been great computers if I never had to restart them! ;-^, I finally became convinced the W7 Discs were bad. I called MS tech Support and after 1/2 hour explaining what I had done - like replacing HDs, Memory sticks, disconnecting all peripherals when troubleshooting and they finally agreed to send me new discs for free. I haven't been able to try it yet - my machine will not start and so far nothing I do will get it going - when I push the power button absolutely nothing happens - I thought the PS might be bad and replaced it - still nothing, nada. So until I find the problem or buy a new machine I will wonder if the new CDs will help Life can be strange -- LarryT 91 300D On 3/15/2012 11:46 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Hendrik& Fay writes: Anyway, I found an iso of a win7 and got it to install and run in VB but it seems to be a 30 day trial version It's not a trial version, it's an unactivated installation. Windows 7 has a 30 day timer and it will nag you intermittently about activating your license during that time. If you have not not "activated" within 30 days you get the Scarlet Letter treatment: your desktop turns black and you see "This Copy of Windows is Not Genuine" emblazoned across the background. Though according to Microsoft, these notices do not "inhibit the actual functionality of Windows 7." Here's a trick to reset the grace period. According to this article you can do it up to three times. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-7-activation-hack-trick,8499.html Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo WAS:smokin SDL
Oil gets in compressor naturally from oil breather in head. The oil feed pipe runs right over the exhaust and I've had one break there dripping on exhaust. Haven't really kept up with the thread, sorry. It's a shame I just sold my old one for $80 on ebay :(. The euro manifolds (sans egr) can be had for not that much money and do wonders for the looks of the engine bay :D -Rolf On 3/16/2012 10:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: How would you get oil in the compressor if the oil feed was leaking? It accounts for leaking outside the turbo, but not oil inside the turbo. Anyhow, I had it just about done by noon, then found a tin ring on the ground. Figured out it must have been inside the flex coupling between the turbo and exhaust pipe flange. So I took the tail apart and slid the ring in. The last bolt was the inner bolt for the hanger at the back of the turbo (not the one behind that that supports the exhaust flange). It took me hours to get it in. finally got it by loosening everything more, and taking the bracket loose from the manifold. The inside nut on the bracket to the manifold is a bugger too. I robbed a allen capscrew from the EGR to bolt the turbo to the football eliminator pipe. That kept me going without having to run out and find a bolt to buy. Since I forgot the EGR eliminator kit, I got a 3/4" copper sweat coupling, sawed through it lengthwise, unwrapped it and flattened it, then held it to the ERG nipple on the football eliminator pipe while I scribed a mark. Oh, I annealed it as described on here a few months ago. Then I cut out the circle with tinsnips, tapped around the edges holding it to the manifold nipple and then clamped it on. One half of the EGR eliminated. I went out and bought a bolt, then used the remaining chunk of copper to use as a gasket/plate under the EGR. That blocked the other side of the EGR, but still left the EGR hanging. Not pretty, but functional until I get the plate attached to the engine on the next trip. Changed the serpentine belt, and took it for a road test. Lots of smoke at startup, and heavy smoking at low speeds. At one stoplight, smoke was coming out from under the hood and being drawn into the interior ventilation. got to to stoplight highways and that gave me a chance to spool up the turbo several times, with much smoke. then onto the interstate, laying down a smokescreen that would make a destroyer skipper proud. Out on the interstate for 5 miles cleaned out a lot. Up to 80. Then took an exit, got off drove around and then back on with it floored. That laid a really good smokescreen down. Had it close to 80 at the top of the ramp. That was the last smoke I saw. drove back along stoplight highway. I could not see any smoke when i floored it on takeoff. After I got back, there was no oil dripping and everything seemed good, so I packed up the tools and started to get ready for the trip home. (1987 300SDL) Oil in compressor is from intake not turbo. Did you verify its not the supply line? -- please excuse the delay in response, I had to wait for the tape to rewind on my commodore 64. Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: From no responses, I gather nobody else has had a turbo failure. Is that right? Is it correct that any oil in the compressor is conclusive evidence of seal failure? Does anyone have experience with buying a turbo cartridge? Does anyone know what turbo is on an 87 SDL? Garret or KKK? It looks like some things are accessible from above, and some from below. What is the best method for getting the turbo out? ***prior post*** I think I am on to something. With the crossover off, the insides are abnormally clean. Like a complete M1 wash. No gunk, no black, except where oil has pooled a little. Started up the engine. when I revved up the engine enough so that the turbo started, and held it there, there was oil climbing up the throat of the turbo and running counterclockwise to the high side of the throat. if I ran the RPM up to 3k or so, then the air blew away the oil. It is not enough to get a bath. I am suspecting that what I am seeing is enough to wash the crossover/intake clean, smoke, especially on startup, and washdown the port side of the engine through the crossover pipe not being sealed well. My guess is that any visible oil is too much oil. Is this correct? The turbo seal failures I have heard of have been catastrophic. This is not. But I suppose it could go catastrophic at any time. Any body got a cheap source for a turbo cartridge? Les Blumner had a source that was something like $80. I have seen $250. _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___
Re: [MBZ] Enviro-safe stuff
Looking further they have the adapters for the hose fittings, but didn't someone say those things have some threadlocker on them so they are not removable once screwed on? --R On 3/17/12 11:47 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: Looks like the kit for recharging R-12 systems would be thing to go for? http://www.es-refrigerants.com/products/w/id/480/t/r12-substitute-super-alternate-ac-recharge-kit/details.asp *Kit contains: * * *4 Advanced Industrial 12a cans (6 oz. each)* (equivalent to 62.4 oz of R134a or 72 ounces of R12) * *1 can of Stop Leak * * *1 pair of high/low fittings* * *1 R134a Charging Gauge Kit* * *system tags* * *Dial Thermometer* I have a can or two of R12 stashed away (and a hose), looks like this kit has the hose and fittings, etc., which are hard to find now. I have a HF gauge set and a vacuum pump but it only has 134 fittings -- they don't seem to have a 134-12 adapter here (only for tanks, not for gauges)? http://www.es-refrigerants.com/products/w/id/11/t/fittings/ I recall some warning about using the 134 gauges on a 12 system? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Enviro-safe stuff
Looks like the kit for recharging R-12 systems would be thing to go for? http://www.es-refrigerants.com/products/w/id/480/t/r12-substitute-super-alternate-ac-recharge-kit/details.asp *Kit contains: * * *4 Advanced Industrial 12a cans (6 oz. each)* (equivalent to 62.4 oz of R134a or 72 ounces of R12) * *1 can of Stop Leak * * *1 pair of high/low fittings* * *1 R134a Charging Gauge Kit* * *system tags* * *Dial Thermometer* I have a can or two of R12 stashed away (and a hose), looks like this kit has the hose and fittings, etc., which are hard to find now. I have a HF gauge set and a vacuum pump but it only has 134 fittings -- they don't seem to have a 134-12 adapter here (only for tanks, not for gauges)? http://www.es-refrigerants.com/products/w/id/11/t/fittings/ I recall some warning about using the 134 gauges on a 12 system? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: rediscoved a browser for older Macs
Since Apple are no longer updating Safari 4, and Safari 5 won't run on Tiger, I have been using TenFourFox on my G4 Powerbook (running Mac OX 10.4/Tiger) and it's pretty nice. However I just (re)discovered the Omniweb browser, it's built on Webkit 5 so should be roughly equivalent to Safari 5 and it runs on 10.4. It's much quicker to open windows and generally feels faster overall than TenFourFox. http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/ Their other products are pretty nice too, but mostly require at least Mac OS 10.5. I have an older version of OmniGraffle on this computer and it's quite nice even now. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] next step - Lubro Moly Valve Clean
> Since replacing the #4 & #5 fuel injectors had no effect on the rough idle > and smoking upon cold startup in my '85 300TD When you finally change the glow plugs as a last resort before pulling the cylinder head, I have a carbon reamer for the glow plug holes you may borrow for shipping costs. I also have a vacuum cleaner attachment to suck out the loose carbon. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 ACC Issue
The leak seems to be at the fill valve These are Schrader valves, I've had loose ones that I've tightened with a standard tire tool, 'live'. done that before but they don't seem to last very long. Nasty refrigerant/oils eating the seal? I sure like mineral oil and HC's! They do say not to put the stuff into a vacuum Whyever not? That's SOP for A/C work. What are you _supposed_ to do with it after a full servicing? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 ACC Issue
From what I remember reading on their web site you can use any oil and even mix and match the various refrigerants. In my case I had been using 134a and had the ester oil in there. There was enough in there to have about 5lbs pressure. I just shook the can and then inverted the can and ran it in like it said. I actually put in one can last year with the 134a to get the system up to cooling right near the end of the summer and it worked just the same as the 134a alone. Over the winter most of everything leaked out so now I have pretty much just the envirosafe in it. The leak seems to be at the fill valve so not having any way to recover the stuff I guess I will just have to wait till it leaks out again and then replace the valve. I seem to remember having done that before but they don't seem to last very long. They do say not to put the stuff into a vacuum so maybe you will have to put just enough 134a in there to get about 5lbs and then go from there. Two cans was just right for mine so you probably don't need any more then that. If you want to come over some time I have some extra so we can put that in right quick. Manfred Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:25:22 -0400 From: "Gerry Archer" Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300 ACC Issue Hi Manfred, Do you have ester oil in your A/C system or did you flush and change it? I'm thinking of putting Envirosafe in one of mine but wondered if oil had to be changed since I just flushed the system and put in fresh ester oil, a new compressor. and a new filter unit. I have a good vacuum pump. Thanks, Gerry P.S. I have a couple of the ram chips out of a no-name laptop that you can have if the 512s don't work. Contact me offline if you need them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] next step - Lubro Moly Valve Clean
Sounds like it's something roughly equivalent to Techron or STP additive. Probably won't hurt anything, and might do a bit of good, to add it to the tank, but not sure I'd run it undiluted. Allan Curt Raymond writes: > According to Lubro-Moly, Valve Clean is a gasoline additive. > > I guess I never asked, or you'd never mentioned, what made you think this > will make any difference? Is there a reason you chose it over Diesel Purge? > > As an aside I think continuing to ask the list what we think of it is going > to be futile, its pretty clear to me that nobody here has tried it. Its time > to either go back to the tried and true diesel purge or go out on a limb and > give it a shot. > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:54:03 -0400 > From: glenn brown > To: > Subject: [MBZ] next step - Lubro Moly Valve Clean > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Since replacing the #4 & #5 fuel injectors had no effect on the rough idle > and smoking upon cold startup in my '85 300TD, I thought I'd use a procedure > which one of our listers had previously suggested for Lubro Moly Diesel > Purge, where it was suggested to empty the fuel filter of diesel fuel, fill > the fuel filter with Lubro Moly Valve Clean, and drive the car. Since I > couldn't locate any Lubro Moly Valve Clean locally, I had to mail order it > and it arrived today. The directions on the can only mentions gasoline > engined cars and the fact that one can (150cc) will "treat" 19 gal. so I'm a > little apprehensive about using the fuel filter procedure as I'm wondering if > this high a concentration of this stuff would be safe in a diesel? TIA. > > G. M. Brown > Brevard, NC > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 ACC Issue
Yup and no having to look around for the components or how to get them into the system. Works great and easy to put in. Works for me. Mind you cheaper would be better but Manfred Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:49:37 -0400 From: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300 ACC Issue Envirosafe is a hyrdrocarbon blend with a scent. Basically just propane/isobutane. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] next step - Lubro Moly Valve Clean
According to Lubro-Moly, Valve Clean is a gasoline additive. I guess I never asked, or you'd never mentioned, what made you think this will make any difference? Is there a reason you chose it over Diesel Purge? As an aside I think continuing to ask the list what we think of it is going to be futile, its pretty clear to me that nobody here has tried it. Its time to either go back to the tried and true diesel purge or go out on a limb and give it a shot. -Curt Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:54:03 -0400 From: glenn brown To: Subject: [MBZ] next step - Lubro Moly Valve Clean Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Since replacing the #4 & #5 fuel injectors had no effect on the rough idle and smoking upon cold startup in my '85 300TD, I thought I'd use a procedure which one of our listers had previously suggested for Lubro Moly Diesel Purge, where it was suggested to empty the fuel filter of diesel fuel, fill the fuel filter with Lubro Moly Valve Clean, and drive the car. Since I couldn't locate any Lubro Moly Valve Clean locally, I had to mail order it and it arrived today. The directions on the can only mentions gasoline engined cars and the fact that one can (150cc) will "treat" 19 gal. so I'm a little apprehensive about using the fuel filter procedure as I'm wondering if this high a concentration of this stuff would be safe in a diesel? TIA. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT a belated Pi story
Not sure if this has been posted but I'll be brave and have a go http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21597-us-judge-rules-that-you-cant-copyright-pi.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news Hendrik who is making imself look sophistikated by reading stories from the new sciense mob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
