Re: [MBZ] Well that was fun
They strobe due to the lack of wattage. Raise the wattage and the things slow down. I looked at the resistor thing and load balancer, but I do not want to have to bugger each bulb to make it draw what the old electronics wants to see. I know it will only draw when in use, but still... There are all sorts of formulae that spells out how much resistance I would need. Means I have to booger the used to be side marker, as well as the one in the box below the bumper, and the set in the tail light. One would think the chinese would have known this was an issue and just put a dang resister in their little lights clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: Might need to put a resistor in line with the turn lamp. The blinker relay doesn't see the led bulb and thinks it is burned out. Here they say you need a load equalizer. I didn't read the whole article. http://www.customdynamics.com/led_motorcycle_lighting_faqs.htm I frankly can't stand LEDs. The appear to strobe at a very high frequency, and I _really_dislike_that. Rick Sent from my iPhone On Jul 5, 2012, at 11:32 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Been working on the euro lights for Frosch for the past month. Finally got it all buttoned up and installed. Kept the H4 as incandescent and the rest of the lights, head and tail are using LED. Getting the swap out to deal with the US parking/blinker lights is a big pain. Had to figure out which post does what and how to wire up it to the euro plug. Pulled ground easy, trying to make the lowers blink is not working well. Pigtailed the wires to the front light box, but now one side does not blink. LED bulbs are great at lowering the amperage over all. The problem I now have is that they are not playing well with the blink relay. The things are now too fast instead of proper timing. Anybody have enough electric thinkers to point me toward how to fix this? thanks clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Well that was fun
On Jul 6, 2012, at 1:06 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: They strobe due to the lack of wattage. Raise the wattage and the things slow down Tell that to GM and Nissan. Newer Cadillac tail lights strobe so bad they give me a headache following them. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Well that was fun
LED bulbs are great at lowering the amperage over all. So? The problem I now have is that they are not playing well with the blink relay. Naturally. As a convenience/safety feature they're calibrated to require the correct load in order to flash at the normal speed. You will need to open up the relay and find the timing components (R, C) and change them to no longer care about the proper load. A nice bit of reverse-engineering. (My towing flasher in the pickup does not have that variable-speed feature. It's different than the 'normal' flasher.) Of course, if one of your lights _does_ fail you will no longer have any warning about this. Series resistance is not what you need. To make the flasher run at the right rate you need a _parallel_ resistance, and rather a small one, to restore the current draw that the relay expects. So, having done that what was the point of all this work? I find that light bulbs last a very long time, and I _really_ hate the jarring fast strobe on/off cycle of the LED lights. The slower rate of lumens change of an incandescent bulb is _much_ less jarring to the people looking at 'em. One would think the chinese would have known this was an issue and just put a dang resister in their little lights A resistor that consumes nearly what the old incandescent did? For a turn light, maybe a 20W resistor? It'll get just as hot as a light bulb, and so will need to be in a physical package much the size of a light bulb. What was the point again? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Well that was fun
clay monroe wrote: One would think the chinese would have known this was an issue and just put a dang resister in their little lights But then they would draw just as much amperage as the incandescents. I think hacking the flasher is a better option. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Well that was fun
clay monroe wrote: LED bulbs are great at lowering the amperage over all. The problem I now have is that they are not playing well with the blink relay. The things are now too fast instead of proper timing. Anybody have enough electric thinkers to point me toward how to fix this? Uh oh. I think you have limited options. Replace the capacitor or resistors in the flasher. Or add ballast resistance to get the current back up to where the existing components work right again. Or build you own flasher. On a USA car with a standard flasher, a heavy-duty flasher is available that doesn't depend on the lamp current as part of it's time cycle. I don't think such a device is available for Mercedes. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Heat pump.
Yeahbut we've got an oil burner which also supplies our domestic hot water. We've got baseboard heat not scorched air and I will NOT go to scorched air. I spent some time last winter looking online and couldn't find anybody willing to sell me an oil burner furnace directly. -Curt Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 17:08:13 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heat pump. Message-ID: 4ff6023d.6030...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: Sounds like I need to get auditioning sooner rather than later. Our house is single story, about 900sqft. I'm looking at new oil furnaces in the $7,000-8,000 range which gets us up around 90% efficient. That's a lot of money. Did you say furnace when you meant boiler? I bought this at 95% efficient, and can prebuy next winter's propane for $2.10 a gallon: http://www.acwholesalers.com/Goodman_gas_furnaces_lp_natural_gas_furnace_p/11147.htm This is a little more powerful: http://www.acwholesalers.com/Goodman_gas_furnaces_lp_natural_gas_furnace_p/11148.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Well that was fun
Isn't a jarring turn or brake signal exactly what you want? Awaken people from their driving stupor and all that. -Curt Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 23:38:43 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Well that was fun Message-ID: 3b1ca964-c735-11e1-a377-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed LED bulbs are great at lowering the amperage over all. So? The problem I now have is that they are not playing well with the blink relay. Naturally. As a convenience/safety feature they're calibrated to require the correct load in order to flash at the normal speed. You will need to open up the relay and find the timing components (R, C) and change them to no longer care about the proper load. A nice bit of reverse-engineering. (My towing flasher in the pickup does not have that variable-speed feature. It's different than the 'normal' flasher.) Of course, if one of your lights _does_ fail you will no longer have any warning about this. Series resistance is not what you need. To make the flasher run at the right rate you need a _parallel_ resistance, and rather a small one, to restore the current draw that the relay expects. So, having done that what was the point of all this work? I find that light bulbs last a very long time, and I _really_ hate the jarring fast strobe on/off cycle of the LED lights. The slower rate of lumens change of an incandescent bulb is _much_ less jarring to the people looking at 'em. One would think the chinese would have known this was an issue and just put a dang resister in their little lights A resistor that consumes nearly what the old incandescent did? For a turn light, maybe a 20W resistor? It'll get just as hot as a light bulb, and so will need to be in a physical package much the size of a light bulb. What was the point again? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: Heat pump NOW water heater y2y8a0et
So are you saying your message bounced back to you twice, and came thru on the 3rd time? On 7/5/2012 10:29 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: bounced twice today --R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heat pump NOW water heater Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 23:17:26 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com So this morning my wife sends me a text early (late for her, I think she was up at like 4AM) and says the hot water was minimal when she took a shower. First thought was, well it helped wake you up, but that is beside the point. So I ponder this a minute and remembered having a warm shower yesterday evening (warmer than ambient, which is quite warm at this time) so figured the water heater was pretty much OK, yesterday anyway. Then I recalled she had done like 4 loads of laundry, so figured that drained down the tank (80gal electric) but it should have recovered overnight. So then I remember there is a control box the electric company has in there that supposedly they could control the thing. Now the PO of the house told me as near as he could tell it never did anything, but he got a break on the electric bill so let them put it in. I put in a new water heater 3 yr ago, and as near as I can tell the control box never did anything either, but I hooked the WH into it anyway when I replaced it (and I thought about bypassing it, but did not as it was easier just to wire into it). So I go look at the WH in the closet, and shonuff the light on it is blinking. It has some sort of smart controller with an LED blinky, and the code said Failed Initialization or something. I am not sure how a WH initializes, other than just turning on and off, but there you go. So I push the reset button and the light goes steady, I hear the coils start to heat water, bueno. I guess it initialized happily. So then I go look at it a while later and the green light is completely off, and the controller box LED display says P whereas before I think it said O and of course there is nothing on the box to indicate what P and O mean. I figure P means off and O means on, whatever sense that makes. It has Bypass and Vacation buttons, the Vacay button turns the controller off (or some other symbol lighted up, I forget) and back on, the Bypass button doesn't do anything at that point. Anyway, after awhile it comes back on again, with an O showing and there was hot water for evening shower. I guess it recovered OK during the day when it was running. I am figuring since it is fairly warm these last few days the electric company is actually doing some controlling and the controller confused the WH smart controller to where it was having fits. I am wondering if that external power on/off is going to bugger my WH or WH controller at some point. Technology marches forward. We are in the woods with not a lot of direct sunlight at any given time during the day, or I would seriously consider augmenting the thing with a solar panel water heater of some sort. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2193 / Virus Database: 2437/5112 - Release Date: 07/05/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: Heat pump NOW water heater y2y8a0et
No I sent two different messages yesterday at different times and got 2 bounces that wanted different codes to go through. Some others went through OK. --R On 7/6/12 9:44 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So are you saying your message bounced back to you twice, and came thru on the 3rd time? On 7/5/2012 10:29 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: bounced twice today --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Well that was fun
Isn't a jarring turn or brake signal exactly what you want? Awaken people from their driving stupor and all that. If that were the only goal, then why not replace them with little xenon stroboscope units and _really_ draw attention to you, and only you? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Well that was fun
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 00:43:05 -0500 Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I frankly can't stand LEDs. The appear to strobe at a very high frequency, and I _really_dislike_that. The LEDs themselves are not the problem; the way the engineers designed the drive circuits for the LEDs is. On some LEDs, you can get more light out of them by pulsing the current driving them, with a higher peak current but the same average current than just driving them with a constant current. If the engineers just drove them with a constant current, the illumination would be constant. I _really_ dislike the strobing in cars, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Well that was fun
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 05:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Isn't a jarring turn or brake signal exactly what you want? Awaken people from their driving stupor and all that. True, but the running lights typically strobe also. That is irritating even when the car ahead of you is not stopping or turning. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Well that was fun
I was behind some late model Dodge on the way in to work today. It had taillights that consisted of a bunch of LEDs. One whole row of LEDs in one taillight were out. I bet that costs a chunk of change to replace. It was sort of annoying, too. Dan On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Isn't a jarring turn or brake signal exactly what you want? Awaken people from their driving stupor and all that. If that were the only goal, then why not replace them with little xenon stroboscope units and _really_ draw attention to you, and only you? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Five speed transmission!!??
This is either a great opportunity to buy a rare 5 speed transmission for your W111/113, or a hugely misleading white lie. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=110910996761ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1123 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Well that was fun
On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: If the engineers just drove them with a constant current, the illumination would be constant. Well, you are in the job market. Apply to GM. Apparently the Cadillac division needs some new engineering staff... Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Five speed transmission!!??
Looks like a 4 speed from a 220D, based on the first part number he provide. Visually, it resembles a 716.002 in the EPC. Jaime On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:10 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: This is either a great opportunity to buy a rare 5 speed transmission for your W111/113, or a hugely misleading white lie. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=110910996761ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1123 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Five speed transmission!!??
Alles. It is not a lie exactly. More a political truth. Five forward speeds plus one reverse = 5 speeds. Nicht wahr? I'll go away now. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Five speed transmission!!?? Looks like a 4 speed from a 220D, based on the first part number he provide. Visually, it resembles a 716.002 in the EPC. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Well that was fun
The tar sands folks also need help on the Enbridge Keystone pipeline in Alberta and are looking for vets to hire. On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: If the engineers just drove them with a constant current, the illumination would be constant. Well, you are in the job market. Apply to GM. Apparently the Cadillac division needs some new engineering staff... Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Five speed transmission!!??
I wonder if anyone claims to have a six speed transmission, applying the same twisted literalness. On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Alles. It is not a lie exactly. More a political truth. Five forward speeds plus one reverse = 5 speeds. Nicht wahr? I'll go away now. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Five speed transmission!!?? Looks like a 4 speed from a 220D, based on the first part number he provide. Visually, it resembles a 716.002 in the EPC. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Five speed transmission!!??
FIVE forward? How 'bout neutral or just sitting still? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Five speed transmission!!?? Alles. It is not a lie exactly. More a political truth. Five forward speeds plus one reverse = 5 speeds. Nicht wahr? I'll go away now. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Five speed transmission!!?? Looks like a 4 speed from a 220D, based on the first part number he provide. Visually, it resembles a 716.002 in the EPC. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Five speed transmission!!??
Wilton. I knew someone else was awake! Like neutral, gears (?) are not engaged. Back to sleep for me. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Five speed transmission!!?? FIVE forward? How 'bout neutral or just sitting still? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Five speed transmission!!?? Alles. It is not a lie exactly. More a political truth. Five forward speeds plus one reverse = 5 speeds. Nicht wahr? I'll go away now. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] prescription costs
But, are all of the local pharmacies charging the same price? That sounds like price fixing does it not? There actually seems to be some competition happening here. Randy On 05/07/2012 12:20 PM, G Mann wrote: Totally amazes me, I can buy the same drugs, made by the same company, in some cases, even from the same batch number, across the border in Mexico [2.8hr drive] for 1/8th the price [or less]. We have a health care crisis alright... Big Pharm is breaking it off in our sphincter at every turn wonder how they pay for all those lobbyist? It's not a tax... it's a fee... we just have 16,000 new IRS agents to collect the fee @)#($*$^^@*!@(!!))) On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 05/07/2012 9:41 AM, WILTON wrote: 'Been trying to think of somewhere I need to go today to show off the glistening black and to feel the AC blowing ICE COLD. Probably go to SAM's after lunch, but I'll hafta drive the white 124, 'cause it has my electric mobility scooter in the trunk, but a good part it is that its AC blows ICE COLD, too. ;) Oh, just remembered: I can drive the blackun to drug store to pick up prescriptions - may need to stop by bank on the way to re-mortgage the house, though. For several years, I've been getting my prescriptions filled at nearby drug store, rather than put up with the hassle of getting them at pharmacy on base, where they close on weekends, close for training, close for holiday, close for commander's call and on and on for a long list of typical BS. Paying the small additional fee at nearby drug store has been worth not having to go through hassle of base crap. The fees keep going up, though - 'may hafta go back to base pharmacy. Wilton Have you ever checked around to see if the prices are consistent? Around here, the big chain pharmacies tend to charge an arm and a leg. However, in the past few years we seem to have developed a bunch of little independent shops that are much less expensive. The drugs cost a certain amount, but in most cases, the dispensing fees are the costs that hurt. Randy __**_ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Five speed transmission!!??
Merely between naps. Wilton - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Five speed transmission!!?? Wilton. I knew someone else was awake! Like neutral, gears (?) are not engaged. Back to sleep for me. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Five speed transmission!!?? FIVE forward? How 'bout neutral or just sitting still? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Five speed transmission!!?? Alles. It is not a lie exactly. More a political truth. Five forward speeds plus one reverse = 5 speeds. Nicht wahr? I'll go away now. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] prescription costs
On Jul 6, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: There actually seems to be some competition happening here. In Canada? Just a few short years ago weren't seniors from the US crossing the border into Canada for cheaper meds? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] prescription costs
'Don't know 'bout prices at other pharmacies - don't even know total price at MY pharmacy other than HIGH - MY federally mandated fee (as I understand it) is a set fee (very small part of total) per prescription (fee keeps creeping upward since its inception 12 - 15 years ago). (Part of the U. S. retired military prescription drug program - Tri Care for Life) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] prescription costs But, are all of the local pharmacies charging the same price? That sounds like price fixing does it not? There actually seems to be some competition happening here. Randy On 05/07/2012 12:20 PM, G Mann wrote: Totally amazes me, I can buy the same drugs, made by the same company, in some cases, even from the same batch number, across the border in Mexico [2.8hr drive] for 1/8th the price [or less]. We have a health care crisis alright... Big Pharm is breaking it off in our sphincter at every turn wonder how they pay for all those lobbyist? It's not a tax... it's a fee... we just have 16,000 new IRS agents to collect the fee @)#($*$^^@*!@(!!))) On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 05/07/2012 9:41 AM, WILTON wrote: 'Been trying to think of somewhere I need to go today to show off the glistening black and to feel the AC blowing ICE COLD. Probably go to SAM's after lunch, but I'll hafta drive the white 124, 'cause it has my electric mobility scooter in the trunk, but a good part it is that its AC blows ICE COLD, too. ;) Oh, just remembered: I can drive the blackun to drug store to pick up prescriptions - may need to stop by bank on the way to re-mortgage the house, though. For several years, I've been getting my prescriptions filled at nearby drug store, rather than put up with the hassle of getting them at pharmacy on base, where they close on weekends, close for training, close for holiday, close for commander's call and on and on for a long list of typical BS. Paying the small additional fee at nearby drug store has been worth not having to go through hassle of base crap. The fees keep going up, though - 'may hafta go back to base pharmacy. Wilton Have you ever checked around to see if the prices are consistent? Around here, the big chain pharmacies tend to charge an arm and a leg. However, in the past few years we seem to have developed a bunch of little independent shops that are much less expensive. The drugs cost a certain amount, but in most cases, the dispensing fees are the costs that hurt. Randy __**_ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] prescription costs
Yes, even group trips by chartered bus, weren't there? Don't they do that any more? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] prescription costs On Jul 6, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: There actually seems to be some competition happening here. In Canada? Just a few short years ago weren't seniors from the US crossing the border into Canada for cheaper meds? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] prescription costs
On 06/07/2012 2:10 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jul 6, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: There actually seems to be some competition happening here. In Canada? Just a few short years ago weren't seniors from the US crossing the border into Canada for cheaper meds? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ And there were internet pharmacies sending packages by mail to the USA but the lobby groups got them shut down. Made it illegal to fill a prescription here unless it was signed by a Dr who was in Manitoba and the Dr had to have seen the patient so the whole thing unravelled. Stupid as they did not provide the more restricted drugs - just the basic stuff. Drug companies did not like it and neither did the Pharmacist's governing body and the College of Physicians etc. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] prescription costs
I purchased Zegerid through ebay for half the price. They were manufactured in Espana. On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 06/07/2012 2:10 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jul 6, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: There actually seems to be some competition happening here. In Canada? Just a few short years ago weren't seniors from the US crossing the border into Canada for cheaper meds? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ And there were internet pharmacies sending packages by mail to the USA but the lobby groups got them shut down. Made it illegal to fill a prescription here unless it was signed by a Dr who was in Manitoba and the Dr had to have seen the patient so the whole thing unravelled. Stupid as they did not provide the more restricted drugs - just the basic stuff. Drug companies did not like it and neither did the Pharmacist's governing body and the College of Physicians etc. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Drug Costs
Just to continue this a bit further. I use a puffer for asthma - or allergies - take your pick. Morning and Night, I take a puff from a little cylinder in an orange plastic holder. I have paid anywhere from $8 to $45 for the same thing at pharmacies that are only a few blocks apart. The big chain stores charge the most. We are getting little one man independent pharmacies in medical clinics. They are the ones who undercut the big places. I was amazed when I used the small shop as I had been buying at the big one. A friend takes a fair amount of medication. He found that he could get a better price at the small ones and approached the owner of the one of the big places and said he would continue buying there as he always had if they matched the price. The declined. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Drug Costs
It's getting so competitive I am amazed some of these places survive. We have a friend who is a pharmacist for one of the major drugstore chains, and the horror stories they tell us about things like quotas and up selling people on stuff is scary. Dan On Jul 6, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Just to continue this a bit further. I use a puffer for asthma - or allergies - take your pick. Morning and Night, I take a puff from a little cylinder in an orange plastic holder. I have paid anywhere from $8 to $45 for the same thing at pharmacies that are only a few blocks apart. The big chain stores charge the most. We are getting little one man independent pharmacies in medical clinics. They are the ones who undercut the big places. I was amazed when I used the small shop as I had been buying at the big one. A friend takes a fair amount of medication. He found that he could get a better price at the small ones and approached the owner of the one of the big places and said he would continue buying there as he always had if they matched the price. The declined. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Mobil1 Coupon
Looks like autozone has a coupon for $10 off the purchase of a 5 quart jug of M1. I don't have a link to it but saw a reference to it on Dealnews. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Heat pump.
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I spent some time last winter looking online and couldn't find anybody willing to sell me an oil burner furnace directly. You need to make friends with a small independent heating contractor. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Heat pump.
That, or find someone with a sales tax exemption certificate or business license and buy it from a local wholesaler. Dan On Jul 6, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I spent some time last winter looking online and couldn't find anybody willing to sell me an oil burner furnace directly. You need to make friends with a small independent heating contractor. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mobil1 Coupon
On 06/07/2012 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Looks like autozone has a coupon for $10 off the purchase of a 5 quart jug of M1. I don't have a link to it but saw a reference to it on Dealnews. Dan ___ What is the normal price? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mobil1 Coupon
On 06/07/2012 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Looks like autozone has a coupon for $10 off the purchase of a 5 quart jug of M1. I don't have a link to it but saw a reference to it on Dealnews. Dan ___ On Jul 6, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: What is the normal price? Wallyworld is 26-28 bucks US, depending on variety. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mobil1 Coupon
Which will put it at around the same price walmart sells it:) Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 06/07/2012 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Looks like autozone has a coupon for $10 off the purchase of a 5 quart jug of M1. I don't have a link to it but saw a reference to it on Dealnews. Dan ___ What is the normal price? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leds flashing
LED bulbs are great at lowering the amperage over all. The problem I now have is that they are not playing well with the blink relay. The things are now too fast instead of proper timing. Anybody have enough electric thinkers to point me toward how to fix this?.. There are turn light flashers that are not dependent on current flow for the flash interval which I think are used when additional lights such as trailers are added. The question is does MB use some goofball system that won't accept a standard flasher unit. And, changing conventional bulbs to LEDs is becomming more common so this is not a new question. Remember that these LED replacement bulbs in standard sockets are very directional so don't show up well at an angle. Why not drop by O'Reilly's and consult with the counterman? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Autozone Coupon
Doesn't Wally World honor other's coupons? You could use the AZ coupon at Walmart and save a bunch of money... Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strobing?
The LEDs themselves are not the problem; the way the engineers designed the drive circuits for the LEDs is. On some LEDs, you can get more light out of them by pulsing the current driving them, with a higher peak current but the same average current than just driving them with a constant current. If the engineers just drove them with a constant current, the illumination would be constant. I _really_ dislike the strobing in cars, too... How many of you that see this strobing effect wear glasses? I see lots of cars with LED lights and none of them do what you describe. Just yesterday I was behind a new Cadillac SUV-thing with bright rear LED lighting and aside from being overly bright there was no strobing effect. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strobing?
I was trying to understand these comments as well. I haven't noticed any sort of strobing when observing LED taillights. And yes, I wear glasses if it matters. Dan On Jul 6, 2012, at 7:12 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: The LEDs themselves are not the problem; the way the engineers designed the drive circuits for the LEDs is. On some LEDs, you can get more light out of them by pulsing the current driving them, with a higher peak current but the same average current than just driving them with a constant current. If the engineers just drove them with a constant current, the illumination would be constant. I _really_ dislike the strobing in cars, too... How many of you that see this strobing effect wear glasses? I see lots of cars with LED lights and none of them do what you describe. Just yesterday I was behind a new Cadillac SUV-thing with bright rear LED lighting and aside from being overly bright there was no strobing effect. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strobing?
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 19:24:27 -0400 Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I was trying to understand these comments as well. I haven't noticed any sort of strobing when observing LED taillights. And yes, I wear glasses if it matters. With subject car about 100 - 150 yards ahead, glance to the left side and then slew your eyes to the right side. When I do that, I see the strobing very clearly. And, yes, I wear glasses, too, but I cannot see how it matters. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - ice cream
We made ice cream on the 4th. Enjoying a bit of ice cream today it occurred to me that the varied experience on this forum might even know one of our favorite ice creams. I bet there isn't an ice cream vendor in the country that sells black licorice ice cream. Great taste and one we probably make more often than others. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - ice cream
We make it every weekend for our 4 grand daughters. Fresh strawberry in season, peach, vanilla and of course chocolate. We've made a few others but these are the ones the little ones like. Since I am diabetic, we use Splenda instead of sugar, it takes a little longer to freeze but works out fine for everyone. It beats the heck out of store bought crap. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 18:44:56 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - ice cream We made ice cream on the 4th. Enjoying a bit of ice cream today it occurred to me that the varied experience on this forum might even know one of our favorite ice creams. I bet there isn't an ice cream vendor in the country that sells black licorice ice cream. Great taste and one we probably make more often than others. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Autozone Coupon
Hmmm Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Doesn't Wally World honor other's coupons? You could use the AZ coupon at Walmart and save a bunch of money... Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] (no subject)
http://meg18.webd.pl/csndra.html?kaa=madcxy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GL320 CDI
For that matter, drive a new VW TDI with the DSG tranny -- I do wish I had recorded on of the 2.5 Turbos to play when driving the TDI though :-) On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Drive one, you will understand Sent from my iPhone On Jul 5, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: It DOES NOT sound at ALL like a diesel, I mean, really not at all. Does not drive like a diesel... If it doesn't sound like a diesel, or drive like a diesel - why would you want it?? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leds flashing
I have chatted up the idiots there and they are ignorant. If it is not in the computer, it does not exist, nor do they have any idea what I am talking about. Somebody higher up the food chain makes order, and may know something about cars, or they just want to keep shelves full. Standard bulbs they have been unable to assist. Doing the rewire, the dork is clueless. Oil or coolant, brain dead on ability to advise. On Jul 6, 2012, at 4:04 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: LED bulbs are great at lowering the amperage over all. The problem I now have is that they are not playing well with the blink relay. The things are now too fast instead of proper timing. Anybody have enough electric thinkers to point me toward how to fix this?.. There are turn light flashers that are not dependent on current flow for the flash interval which I think are used when additional lights such as trailers are added. The question is does MB use some goofball system that won't accept a standard flasher unit. And, changing conventional bulbs to LEDs is becomming more common so this is not a new question. Remember that these LED replacement bulbs in standard sockets are very directional so don't show up well at an angle. Why not drop by O'Reilly's and consult with the counterman? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - ice cream
baskin robbins makes it every so often. I made it once at the craft ice cream shop after college clay On Jul 6, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Mountain Man wrote: We made ice cream on the 4th. Enjoying a bit of ice cream today it occurred to me that the varied experience on this forum might even know one of our favorite ice creams. I bet there isn't an ice cream vendor in the country that sells black licorice ice cream. Great taste and one we probably make more often than others. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
virus On Jul 6, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Rdeafboy wrote: http://meg18.webd.pl/csndra.html?kaa=madcxy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Drug Costs
Welcome to profit driven medicene ... On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: It's getting so competitive I am amazed some of these places survive. We have a friend who is a pharmacist for one of the major drugstore chains, and the horror stories they tell us about things like quotas and up selling people on stuff is scary. Dan On Jul 6, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Just to continue this a bit further. I use a puffer for asthma - or allergies - take your pick. Morning and Night, I take a puff from a little cylinder in an orange plastic holder. I have paid anywhere from $8 to $45 for the same thing at pharmacies that are only a few blocks apart. The big chain stores charge the most. We are getting little one man independent pharmacies in medical clinics. They are the ones who undercut the big places. I was amazed when I used the small shop as I had been buying at the big one. A friend takes a fair amount of medication. He found that he could get a better price at the small ones and approached the owner of the one of the big places and said he would continue buying there as he always had if they matched the price. The declined. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leds flashing
I've found that the NAPA stores often have at least one person on staff who knows something. Last time I asked questions, they sent a middle aged woman who knew her stuff about alternators. YMMV. On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:41 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I have chatted up the idiots there and they are ignorant. If it is not in the computer, it does not exist, nor do they have any idea what I am talking about. Somebody higher up the food chain makes order, and may know something about cars, or they just want to keep shelves full. Standard bulbs they have been unable to assist. Doing the rewire, the dork is clueless. Oil or coolant, brain dead on ability to advise. On Jul 6, 2012, at 4:04 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: LED bulbs are great at lowering the amperage over all. The problem I now have is that they are not playing well with the blink relay. The things are now too fast instead of proper timing. Anybody have enough electric thinkers to point me toward how to fix this?.. There are turn light flashers that are not dependent on current flow for the flash interval which I think are used when additional lights such as trailers are added. The question is does MB use some goofball system that won't accept a standard flasher unit. And, changing conventional bulbs to LEDs is becomming more common so this is not a new question. Remember that these LED replacement bulbs in standard sockets are very directional so don't show up well at an angle. Why not drop by O'Reilly's and consult with the counterman? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strobing?
I'll try that, as I haven' noticed the strobing either. On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: With subject car about 100 - 150 yards ahead, glance to the left side and then slew your eyes to the right side. When I do that, I see the strobing very clearly. And, yes, I wear glasses, too, but I cannot see how it matters. Craig -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - ice cream
My wife makes wonderful ice cream with a KitchenAid stand mixer attachment. The last time she asked what flavor I wanted, I requested green tea, made with some bulk tea from my favorite Chinese restaurant. It was astonishingly good! More on topic: I have a cousin Mario who makes wonderful gelato: http://www.amatogelato.com/index.html I don't know if he makes black licorice, but he makes quite a few flavors. In the past he has made Champagne and even Viagra flavored gelato (I don't think this was naturally flavored!). Durian is a staple in his shop, that's the one that has a lid over the container to contain the odor. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 4:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT - ice cream We made ice cream on the 4th. Enjoying a bit of ice cream today it occurred to me that the varied experience on this forum might even know one of our favorite ice creams. I bet there isn't an ice cream vendor in the country that sells black licorice ice cream. Great taste and one we probably make more often than others. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leds flashing
Retail drones at my local store. One guy who used to work there knew his stuff, but when it changed from schucks to oreally, he either got retired or left. clay On Jul 6, 2012, at 5:52 PM, OK Don wrote: I've found that the NAPA stores often have at least one person on staff who knows something. Last time I asked questions, they sent a middle aged woman who knew her stuff about alternators. YMMV. On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:41 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I have chatted up the idiots there and they are ignorant. If it is not in the computer, it does not exist, nor do they have any idea what I am talking about. Somebody higher up the food chain makes order, and may know something about cars, or they just want to keep shelves full. Standard bulbs they have been unable to assist. Doing the rewire, the dork is clueless. Oil or coolant, brain dead on ability to advise. On Jul 6, 2012, at 4:04 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: LED bulbs are great at lowering the amperage over all. The problem I now have is that they are not playing well with the blink relay. The things are now too fast instead of proper timing. Anybody have enough electric thinkers to point me toward how to fix this?.. There are turn light flashers that are not dependent on current flow for the flash interval which I think are used when additional lights such as trailers are added. The question is does MB use some goofball system that won't accept a standard flasher unit. And, changing conventional bulbs to LEDs is becomming more common so this is not a new question. Remember that these LED replacement bulbs in standard sockets are very directional so don't show up well at an angle. Why not drop by O'Reilly's and consult with the counterman? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - ice cream
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 18:02:36 -0700 Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: Durian is a staple in his shop, that's the one that has a lid over the container to contain the odor. Never heard of the stuff, so I looked it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durian The durian is the fruit of several tree species belonging to the genus Durio and the Malvaceae family[1][3] (although some taxonomists place Durio in a distinct family, Durionaceae[1]). Widely known and revered in southeast Asia as the king of fruits, the durian is distinctive for its large size, unique odour, and formidable thorn-covered husk. The fruit can grow as large as 30 centimetres (12 in) long and 15 centimetres (6 in) in diameter, and it typically weighs one to three kilograms (2 to 7 lb). Its shape ranges from oblong to round, the colour of its husk green to brown, and its flesh pale yellow to red, depending on the species. The edible flesh emits a distinctive odour, strong and penetrating even when the husk is intact. Some people regard the durian as fragrant; others find the aroma overpowering and offensive. The smell evokes reactions from deep appreciation to intense disgust, and has been described variously as almonds, rotten onions, turpentine and gym socks. The odour has led to the fruit's banishment from certain hotels and public transportation in southeast Asia. The durian, native to Brunei, Indonesia and Malaysia, has been known to the Western world for about 600 years. The 19th-century British naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace famously described its flesh as a rich custard highly flavoured with almonds. The flesh can be consumed at various stages of ripeness, and it is used to flavour a wide variety of savoury and sweet edibles in Southeast Asian cuisines. The seeds can also be eaten when cooked. There are 30 recognised Durio species, at least nine of which produce edible fruit. Durio zibethinus is the only species available in the international market: other species are sold in their local regions. There are hundreds of durian cultivars; many consumers express preferences for specific cultivars, which fetch higher prices in the market. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Heat pump.
I did, he got cancer and retired... Theres a geo-thermal outfit that sponsors NPR I may give them a shout. At the least I should do some diligence and see what my options are. -Curt Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 16:32:01 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heat pump. Message-ID: m1ehoo7hry@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I spent some time last winter looking online and couldn't find anybody willing to sell me an oil burner furnace directly. You need to make friends with a small independent heating contractor. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - ice cream
Not as pungent, but perhaps equally unpopular is the Hachiya (astringent) persimmon. I have a large tree in my DC backyard that yields far more fruits than I can eat or give away. We just bought an ice cream maker so we're on the lookout for good frozen desert recipes for either persimmons or rhubarb (just two plants, but more than we can handle). On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 18:02:36 -0700 Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: Durian is a staple in his shop, that's the one that has a lid over the container to contain the odor. Never heard of the stuff, so I looked it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durian The durian is the fruit of several tree species belonging to the genus Durio and the Malvaceae family[1][3] (although some taxonomists place Durio in a distinct family, Durionaceae[1]). Widely known and revered in southeast Asia as the king of fruits, the durian is distinctive for its large size, unique odour, and formidable thorn-covered husk. The fruit can grow as large as 30 centimetres (12 in) long and 15 centimetres (6 in) in diameter, and it typically weighs one to three kilograms (2 to 7 lb). Its shape ranges from oblong to round, the colour of its husk green to brown, and its flesh pale yellow to red, depending on the species. The edible flesh emits a distinctive odour, strong and penetrating even when the husk is intact. Some people regard the durian as fragrant; others find the aroma overpowering and offensive. The smell evokes reactions from deep appreciation to intense disgust, and has been described variously as almonds, rotten onions, turpentine and gym socks. The odour has led to the fruit's banishment from certain hotels and public transportation in southeast Asia. The durian, native to Brunei, Indonesia and Malaysia, has been known to the Western world for about 600 years. The 19th-century British naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace famously described its flesh as a rich custard highly flavoured with almonds. The flesh can be consumed at various stages of ripeness, and it is used to flavour a wide variety of savoury and sweet edibles in Southeast Asian cuisines. The seeds can also be eaten when cooked. There are 30 recognised Durio species, at least nine of which produce edible fruit. Durio zibethinus is the only species available in the international market: other species are sold in their local regions. There are hundreds of durian cultivars; many consumers express preferences for specific cultivars, which fetch higher prices in the market. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: Re: OT - ice cream ejesa6yb
bounced again --R Original Message Subject:Re: [MBZ] OT - ice cream Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 23:01:38 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com At the airport in Costa Rica they were selling Cialis over the counter at the duty free. Put some of that stuff in your gelato and I guess you would get frozen hard, and it might stay that way for 4 hours. --R On 7/6/12 9:02 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: I don't know if he makes black licorice, but he makes quite a few flavors. In the past he has made Champagne and even Viagra flavored gelato (I don't think this was naturally flavored!). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dirty oils done dirt cheap
Sounds like you're engine has a lot of build up in the engine, due to extended oil changes. I have this in my ute, am using Diesel engine oil because it has a higher amount of detergent, plus I bought a bulk lot of filters off ebay, I change the oil and filter about every 2.5-3k kmhs. Also had the low oil pressure thingy in my 300TE, due to using a differnt oil, back to the Diesel oil (15w-20?) and pressure is back to normal 1 at idle and up to 3 at about 1500rpm. Hendrik who buys Diesel oil in bulk On 03/07/12 02:56, clay monroe wrote: I have about 1k on the recent oil fill in Frosch. Oil is black as night and nasty. Granted, I used rotella 20-50, but being a vergasser, there should not be the diesel sooting up of oil. What is the group consensus on early change of oil? Should I just go ahead and toss in fresh oil and filter, or wait another few thousand? Oil pressure at idle is near nil, but at speed, I have great pressure. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strobing?
Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: I was trying to understand these comments as well. I haven't noticed any sort of strobing when observing LED taillights. I think it's more the instantaneous on/off of LEDs vs. not-quite-as-abrupt brightening/darkening of an incandescent bulb. Also if you are directly in line with the LEDs they are almost blindingly bright. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] strobing nicht
I was trying to understand these comments as well. I haven't noticed any sort of strobing when observing LED taillights. And yes, I wear glasses if it matters... My question was for those who see strobing, do you wear glasses? Since you don't see strobing.. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strobing?
I see the same thing. There's a definite strobing effect with LED taillights and brake lights. Definitely on GM products; not sure about MB. To me, the LED blinkers are purely idiotic. The afterglow from an incandescent bulb increases the chances that you will notice a blinker vs. light that is instantly absent as the flasher cycles. And I don't buy the argument that there are any significant energy savings to be had in such an application. D. On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 17:38:28 -0600, Craig wrote: With subject car about 100 - 150 yards ahead, glance to the left side and then slew your eyes to the right side. When I do that, I see the strobing very clearly. And, yes, I wear glasses, too, but I cannot see how it matters. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] strobing
...With subject car about 100 - 150 yards ahead, glance to the left side and then slew your eyes to the right side. When I do that, I see the strobing very clearly. And, yes, I wear glasses, too, but I cannot see how it matters... I can. It's your correction. BTDT with another visual phenomenon (halos around lights at night) which was eliminated with a small change in my prescription. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] strobing
Peception of halos is due to the image not being in focus on your retina. Yes, cured by a new prescription. Strobing perception is more likely due to neurology - same as those who can't look at a 60Hz CRT monitor without getting headaches.You can see strobe effects some times when watching the wheels of cars going past you while sitting at a stop light if you swing your eyes one way or the other. I don't thinkglasses will have anything to do with perceiving the strobe effect. On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:39 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...With subject car about 100 - 150 yards ahead, glance to the left side and then slew your eyes to the right side. When I do that, I see the strobing very clearly. And, yes, I wear glasses, too, but I cannot see how it matters... I can. It's your correction. BTDT with another visual phenomenon (halos around lights at night) which was eliminated with a small change in my prescription. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] strobing
...Strobing perception is more likely due to neurology - same as those who can't look at a 60Hz CRT monitor without getting headaches.You can see strobe effects some times when watching the wheels of cars going past you while sitting at a stop light if you swing your eyes one way or the other. I don't think glasses will have anything to do with perceiving the strobe effect... This is a question for an Opthalmologist, not a lay person here. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] strobing
Flicker perception is highly variable. My main objection is the instant-on/off nature more than any modulation artifacts. Very jarring. And yes, overly bright on-axis, overly dim off-axis, and hideously expensive when something does go wrong. I think LED's might have a place in marker lights, but not for the big lumen jobs. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LED lights idiotic?
..To me, the LED blinkers are purely idiotic. The afterglow from an incandescent bulb increases the chances that you will notice a blinker vs. light that is instantly absent as the flasher cycles. And I don't buy the argument that there are any significant energy savings to be had in such an application... Piffle. The W204 comes with ordinary yellow bulbs in the rear turn lights or with red LEDs if the lighting package is ordered. My C300 had the red rear LEDs which I have changed to the Euro yellow LED versions because I know they are more visible. I've seen all versions and the LEDs , red or yellow, are far more visible under all conditions and are impossible to miss. Far safer and the LED flasher rate is more rapid. Nothing to do with energy saving, for crying out loud. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strobing?
On Jul 6, 2012, at 6:12 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: I see lots of cars with LED lights and none of them do what you describe. Just yesterday I was behind a new Cadillac SUV-thing with bright rear LED lighting and aside from being overly bright there was no strobing effect. I *think* they (LEDs) are controlled by pulse width modulation. Which means_they_strobe. Imperceptible to most maybe, but my eyes constantly move when driving. The movement of my eyes makes the effect noticeable. And no, I do not wear glasses when driving. Only for reading. The maturation process sucks. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strobing?
The maturation process sucks. That's why I don't do it. Getting _older_, however, seems to be a bit harder to avoid, except the hard way. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
