Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction
For many years the boss has been bitching about our old school electric stovetop, seeing that I am such a nice bloke I might upgrade to induction cooktop. Might be able to get this http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/st-peters/appliances/induction-cooktop/1003797140 yeah I know I need to get magnetic cookware to go with it but that's OK, most of our cookware is ancient and stuffed. We don't have gas hooked up to the house, so don't know the cost of getting it installed. However gas cooktops run at 40% efficiency, ceramic types run at 75% and induction is up to 85-90% depending on the quality and size of the cookware. Well this actually affects all forms of cooktop. Sure people say, what about when there is a power outage? Hmmnh, lights are off, think I'll whip up a four course meal. Last time we boiled the billy on the barby and still got my morning cuppa. So has anyone played around with induction or shall I be the guinea pig? Hendrik who lives in the space age On 17/07/12 14:17, Allan Streib wrote: I agree with most of this. We had one for about 5 years. Never a problem with it. I will say that I think that using flat pans is really important. A crowned pan bottom is basically contacting a small portion of the burner surface area. All that said, I don't hate them, but I would probably never buy another one. I much prefer gas. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction
For many years the boss has been bitching about our old school electric stovetop, seeing that I am such a nice bloke I might upgrade to induction cooktop. Might be able to get this http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/st-peters/appliances/induction-cooktop/1003797140 yeah I know I need to get magnetic cookware to go with it but that's OK, most of our cookware is ancient and stuffed. We don't have gas hooked up to the house, so don't know the cost of getting it installed. However gas cooktops run at 40% efficiency, ceramic types run at 75% and induction is up to 85-90% depending on the quality and size of the cookware. Well this actually affects all forms of cooktop. Sure people say, what about when there is a power outage? Hmmnh, lights are off, think I'll whip up a four course meal. Last time we boiled the billy on the barby and still got my morning cuppa. So has anyone played around with induction or shall I be the guinea pig? Hendrik who lives in the space age Hendrik, Looks to me like you will make a very good space age GP. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
I forget about city connections to natgas. I've never lived in a house where that was an option. Us country folks (I live in town but its a small town) get propane from a bottle and run soft copper lines. -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:23:04 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop Message-ID: calk3cy7trr74o3akxcwu5vrpramdvuct3bggrjyj5mwbl_r...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: Holy crow man how much gas you gonna use? A stove doesn't run on high pressure gas, you gotta feed it regulated gas, small copper pipe... I believe everything needs to be black iron, but I could be wrong. Black iron from meter to inside of house and then to boiler. Not high pressure gas, but that is the way all natural gas utility connections I have ever seen run. The last couple feet are allowed to be the flex metal to the appliance. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction
We had one some years back. It wasn't as fussy about the type of cookware as they claimed, but if you were heating a pot of water to boil you could tell a difference. When we moved on to the next cooktop or stove, we went to plain electric with the ceramic/glass top and skipped the induction. We figured the additional expense for the cookware was unwarranted. Dan On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: For many years the boss has been bitching about our old school electric stovetop, seeing that I am such a nice bloke I might upgrade to induction cooktop. Might be able to get this http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/st-peters/appliances/induction-cooktop/1003797140 yeah I know I need to get magnetic cookware to go with it but that's OK, most of our cookware is ancient and stuffed. We don't have gas hooked up to the house, so don't know the cost of getting it installed. However gas cooktops run at 40% efficiency, ceramic types run at 75% and induction is up to 85-90% depending on the quality and size of the cookware. Well this actually affects all forms of cooktop. Sure people say, what about when there is a power outage? Hmmnh, lights are off, think I'll whip up a four course meal. Last time we boiled the billy on the barby and still got my morning cuppa. So has anyone played around with induction or shall I be the guinea pig? Hendrik who lives in the space age On 17/07/12 14:17, Allan Streib wrote: I agree with most of this. We had one for about 5 years. Never a problem with it. I will say that I think that using flat pans is really important. A crowned pan bottom is basically contacting a small portion of the burner surface area. All that said, I don't hate them, but I would probably never buy another one. I much prefer gas. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175111/Great-diesel-myth-They-DONT-save-money-petrol-models-economical-makes-car.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
Rubbish! Article doesn't address maintenance cost. Also, if their equivalent of our EPA ratings are as inaccurate for diesels, real world fuel consumption might be far better than what the window sticker says. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175111/Great-diesel-myth-They-DONT-save-money-petrol-models-economical-makes-car.html --R _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
Economic implications aside, what about the political implications of using less fossil fuel? Was that addressed? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Meade M. Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Rubbish! Article doesn't address maintenance cost. Also, if their equivalent of our EPA ratings are as inaccurate for diesels, real world fuel consumption might be far better than what the window sticker says. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175111/Great-diesel-myth-They-DONT-save-money-petrol-models-economical-makes-car.html --R _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
On 18/07/2012 8:33 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175111/Great-diesel-myth-They-DONT-save-money-petrol-models-economical-makes-car.html --R For most drivers it is probably true. Times have changed. Back in the time when my 1976 300D was new, it was an economy car compared to most gasoline models. My car gets roughly 20 to 30 mpg (Imperial) depending on whether it is highway or city miles. That was great mileage back when most gasoline vehicles were lucky to get 12 mpg. Also, back then, diesel was quite a bit cheaper than gasoline if I recall correctly. All of that has changed over time. The newer fuel injected gasoline engines in cars like a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry will get mileage that exceeds that of my car and have more power to boot. The cost of diesel is often higher than gasoline these days. Longevity of gasoline engines seems to have been improved greatly. Fuel injection and better initial tolerances on production and better oils mean they don't wear like they once did. There is little maintenance to most new cars. Change the oil and the filter and once in a while the air filter and you are good to go. Spark plugs are good for years now. We used to swap them at least once or twice each year. So, I doubt that diesel engines are really all that much better now than gasoline engines in passenger cars for the average buyer. I periodically convince myself that I want a diesel pickup but then I talk myself out of it. I might get better mileage than i do with my gasoline truck (if I got the Dodge with the Cummins) but the cost of acquisition and potential repair costs are such that it would likely cost me more in the long run and I don't really need the additional capacity of the 3/4 or 1 ton truck. Randy who likes the diesel car but is old enough to be behind the times ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm interviewing at Taylor
True. But I understand that repeated freeze-thaw cycles will do it in. PEX also resists the acid water we have around here. That water ate through a corrugated copper flex line on my water heater in six years and it eats through copper tubing pretty fast too. The PEX fittings are beefy (relatively speaking) and you don't need to use so many of them with the flexible PEX tubing. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm interviewing at Taylor I heard that also, asked about it, and was told that it's true, but the fittings still burst when they freeze! On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: I hear that pex doesn't burst like copper does during freezing temps. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
All true except that the diesel vehicles today continue to get significantly better gas mileage. A large, heavy, safe, powerful Mercedes diesel sedan will get in the high thirties. High thirties in a gasoline powered car would be a civic. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 18/07/2012 8:33 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175111/Great-diesel-myth-They-DONT-save-money-petrol-models-economical-makes-car.html --R For most drivers it is probably true. Times have changed. Back in the time when my 1976 300D was new, it was an economy car compared to most gasoline models. My car gets roughly 20 to 30 mpg (Imperial) depending on whether it is highway or city miles. That was great mileage back when most gasoline vehicles were lucky to get 12 mpg. Also, back then, diesel was quite a bit cheaper than gasoline if I recall correctly. All of that has changed over time. The newer fuel injected gasoline engines in cars like a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry will get mileage that exceeds that of my car and have more power to boot. The cost of diesel is often higher than gasoline these days. Longevity of gasoline engines seems to have been improved greatly. Fuel injection and better initial tolerances on production and better oils mean they don't wear like they once did. There is little maintenance to most new cars. Change the oil and the filter and once in a while the air filter and you are good to go. Spark plugs are good for years now. We used to swap them at least once or twice each year. So, I doubt that diesel engines are really all that much better now than gasoline engines in passenger cars for the average buyer. I periodically convince myself that I want a diesel pickup but then I talk myself out of it. I might get better mileage than i do with my gasoline truck (if I got the Dodge with the Cummins) but the cost of acquisition and potential repair costs are such that it would likely cost me more in the long run and I don't really need the additional capacity of the 3/4 or 1 ton truck. Randy who likes the diesel car but is old enough to be behind the times ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
BUT - the price difference between the MB Diesel sedan and the Civic is such that one would never save enough money to pay the difference. A Maxima, or an Avalon or an Acura TL (?) etc will be not that much harder on fuel and cost a whole lot less. You can tell me the MB is a better car but the fact remains that the diesel option is not quite so good as it once was. Randy On 18/07/2012 11:42 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: All true except that the diesel vehicles today continue to get significantly better gas mileage. A large, heavy, safe, powerful Mercedes diesel sedan will get in the high thirties. High thirties in a gasoline powered car would be a civic. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 18/07/2012 8:33 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175111/Great-diesel-myth-They-DONT-save-money-petrol-models-economical-makes-car.html --R For most drivers it is probably true. Times have changed. Back in the time when my 1976 300D was new, it was an economy car compared to most gasoline models. My car gets roughly 20 to 30 mpg (Imperial) depending on whether it is highway or city miles. That was great mileage back when most gasoline vehicles were lucky to get 12 mpg. Also, back then, diesel was quite a bit cheaper than gasoline if I recall correctly. All of that has changed over time. The newer fuel injected gasoline engines in cars like a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry will get mileage that exceeds that of my car and have more power to boot. The cost of diesel is often higher than gasoline these days. Longevity of gasoline engines seems to have been improved greatly. Fuel injection and better initial tolerances on production and better oils mean they don't wear like they once did. There is little maintenance to most new cars. Change the oil and the filter and once in a while the air filter and you are good to go. Spark plugs are good for years now. We used to swap them at least once or twice each year. So, I doubt that diesel engines are really all that much better now than gasoline engines in passenger cars for the average buyer. I periodically convince myself that I want a diesel pickup but then I talk myself out of it. I might get better mileage than i do with my gasoline truck (if I got the Dodge with the Cummins) but the cost of acquisition and potential repair costs are such that it would likely cost me more in the long run and I don't really need the additional capacity of the 3/4 or 1 ton truck. Randy who likes the diesel car but is old enough to be behind the times ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: Now you guys have morphed this thread over to gas. Thanks for the encouragement that a modern GE is not bad - new 3 years ago, cheapest dirty shirt locally from craigslist. I think I prefer gas, and we have gas here (boiler) but electric hot water and electric kitchen. We rent, so tearing in to things is not something I do without care to get things back to original. Most landlords would not be happy about tenants altering something like that. Don't know about your specific situation. But yeah black pipe is pretty straightforward, use the brush-on dope, and test for leaks with soapy water. Don't use the teflon tape, little flecks of it can get into the pipe and clog your burners. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: We recently had a gas line extended to be able to use a gas dryer in our new laundry room. The (licensed, official) plumber used a gas line that is about 3/4 diameter made of corrugated stainless steel tubing covered by a thick yellow plastic material. That is apparently the code now. Yeah that is what they use when they need to go in and around existing improvements without tearing a lot of stuff apart, because you can snake it. Its a lot more expensive than iron pipe but potentially a lot less labor to install. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: One thing I heard about it was issues with grounding, as it apparently does not conduct electricity well if it's not installed correctly. Part of my grounding system was bonded to the manifold. I've never heard of electrical grounding through the gas line! Cold water main only. The gas line typically is above ground until it gets to the meter/regulator, and I don't think it necessarily forms a good electrical connection to the underground line, maybe it would if there were a grounding strap across the meter/regulator. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I forget about city connections to natgas. I've never lived in a house where that was an option. Us country folks (I live in town but its a small town) get propane from a bottle and run soft copper lines. MIL has propane, copper line from the tank to the house, where it transitions to iron pipe for the internal plumbing. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
A maxima, Avalon etc do not get 40mpg and are vastly inferior cars to an E350 diesel. Yes diesel option not as good but still better. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: BUT - the price difference between the MB Diesel sedan and the Civic is such that one would never save enough money to pay the difference. A Maxima, or an Avalon or an Acura TL (?) etc will be not that much harder on fuel and cost a whole lot less. You can tell me the MB is a better car but the fact remains that the diesel option is not quite so good as it once was. Randy On 18/07/2012 11:42 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: All true except that the diesel vehicles today continue to get significantly better gas mileage. A large, heavy, safe, powerful Mercedes diesel sedan will get in the high thirties. High thirties in a gasoline powered car would be a civic. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 18/07/2012 8:33 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175111/Great-diesel-myth-They-DONT-save-money-petrol-models-economical-makes-car.html --R For most drivers it is probably true. Times have changed. Back in the time when my 1976 300D was new, it was an economy car compared to most gasoline models. My car gets roughly 20 to 30 mpg (Imperial) depending on whether it is highway or city miles. That was great mileage back when most gasoline vehicles were lucky to get 12 mpg. Also, back then, diesel was quite a bit cheaper than gasoline if I recall correctly. All of that has changed over time. The newer fuel injected gasoline engines in cars like a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry will get mileage that exceeds that of my car and have more power to boot. The cost of diesel is often higher than gasoline these days. Longevity of gasoline engines seems to have been improved greatly. Fuel injection and better initial tolerances on production and better oils mean they don't wear like they once did. There is little maintenance to most new cars. Change the oil and the filter and once in a while the air filter and you are good to go. Spark plugs are good for years now. We used to swap them at least once or twice each year. So, I doubt that diesel engines are really all that much better now than gasoline engines in passenger cars for the average buyer. I periodically convince myself that I want a diesel pickup but then I talk myself out of it. I might get better mileage than i do with my gasoline truck (if I got the Dodge with the Cummins) but the cost of acquisition and potential repair costs are such that it would likely cost me more in the long run and I don't really need the additional capacity of the 3/4 or 1 ton truck. Randy who likes the diesel car but is old enough to be behind the times ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction
My boss occasionally asks for induction and goes prowling through the appliance stores looking at them. I nominate HF to be the GPs and report back to us! On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: We had one some years back. It wasn't as fussy about the type of cookware as they claimed, but if you were heating a pot of water to boil you could tell a difference. When we moved on to the next cooktop or stove, we went to plain electric with the ceramic/glass top and skipped the induction. We figured the additional expense for the cookware was unwarranted. Dan On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: For many years the boss has been bitching about our old school electric stovetop, seeing that I am such a nice bloke I might upgrade to induction cooktop. Might be able to get this http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/st-peters/appliances/induction-cooktop/1003797140yeah I know I need to get magnetic cookware to go with it but that's OK, most of our cookware is ancient and stuffed. We don't have gas hooked up to the house, so don't know the cost of getting it installed. However gas cooktops run at 40% efficiency, ceramic types run at 75% and induction is up to 85-90% depending on the quality and size of the cookware. Well this actually affects all forms of cooktop. Sure people say, what about when there is a power outage? Hmmnh, lights are off, think I'll whip up a four course meal. Last time we boiled the billy on the barby and still got my morning cuppa. So has anyone played around with induction or shall I be the guinea pig? Hendrik who lives in the space age On 17/07/12 14:17, Allan Streib wrote: I agree with most of this. We had one for about 5 years. Never a problem with it. I will say that I think that using flat pans is really important. A crowned pan bottom is basically contacting a small portion of the burner surface area. All that said, I don't hate them, but I would probably never buy another one. I much prefer gas. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
I was told by a plumber that there were documented instances of fires resulting from this type of tubing due to things like lightning strikes, hence the overabundance of grounding means. He loved the stuff, and I can understand why. In my former house there was probably about 200' of gas line due to gas fireplaces and runs to a kitchen island for future use. It would have probably taken a skilled plumber a couple of days to run black iron pipe. With the flexible stuff they were probably done before lunchtime. Dan On Jul 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: One thing I heard about it was issues with grounding, as it apparently does not conduct electricity well if it's not installed correctly. Part of my grounding system was bonded to the manifold. I've never heard of electrical grounding through the gas line! Cold water main only. The gas line typically is above ground until it gets to the meter/regulator, and I don't think it necessarily forms a good electrical connection to the underground line, maybe it would if there were a grounding strap across the meter/regulator. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
Google flexible natural gas line fire lightning and you will get a number of hits on CSST and fires related to electrical issues. Dan On Jul 18, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I was told by a plumber that there were documented instances of fires resulting from this type of tubing due to things like lightning strikes, hence the overabundance of grounding means. He loved the stuff, and I can understand why. In my former house there was probably about 200' of gas line due to gas fireplaces and runs to a kitchen island for future use. It would have probably taken a skilled plumber a couple of days to run black iron pipe. With the flexible stuff they were probably done before lunchtime. Dan On Jul 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: One thing I heard about it was issues with grounding, as it apparently does not conduct electricity well if it's not installed correctly. Part of my grounding system was bonded to the manifold. I've never heard of electrical grounding through the gas line! Cold water main only. The gas line typically is above ground until it gets to the meter/regulator, and I don't think it necessarily forms a good electrical connection to the underground line, maybe it would if there were a grounding strap across the meter/regulator. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
I got 44 mpg on the first full tank I the TDI Passat. It's the same weight as the C class. With Diesel at $3.70/gal, and unleaded at $3.35, a gasoline car would have to get over 38mpg to equal the fuel cost over 10,000 miles. Yes, the TDI cost more than the equivalent gasoline car, but the cost per mile ($0.49) over 100,000 miles in 10 year (not including maintenance) is the same. I voted to satisfy my religious addiction to Diesel, and would have even if the total cost was higher :-) On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: A maxima, Avalon etc do not get 40mpg and are vastly inferior cars to an E350 diesel. Yes diesel option not as good but still better. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: BUT - the price difference between the MB Diesel sedan and the Civic is such that one would never save enough money to pay the difference. A Maxima, or an Avalon or an Acura TL (?) etc will be not that much harder on fuel and cost a whole lot less. You can tell me the MB is a better car but the fact remains that the diesel option is not quite so good as it once was. Randy On 18/07/2012 11:42 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: All true except that the diesel vehicles today continue to get significantly better gas mileage. A large, heavy, safe, powerful Mercedes diesel sedan will get in the high thirties. High thirties in a gasoline powered car would be a civic. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 18/07/2012 8:33 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175111/Great-diesel-myth-They-DONT-save-money-petrol-models-economical-makes-car.html --R For most drivers it is probably true. Times have changed. Back in the time when my 1976 300D was new, it was an economy car compared to most gasoline models. My car gets roughly 20 to 30 mpg (Imperial) depending on whether it is highway or city miles. That was great mileage back when most gasoline vehicles were lucky to get 12 mpg. Also, back then, diesel was quite a bit cheaper than gasoline if I recall correctly. All of that has changed over time. The newer fuel injected gasoline engines in cars like a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry will get mileage that exceeds that of my car and have more power to boot. The cost of diesel is often higher than gasoline these days. Longevity of gasoline engines seems to have been improved greatly. Fuel injection and better initial tolerances on production and better oils mean they don't wear like they once did. There is little maintenance to most new cars. Change the oil and the filter and once in a while the air filter and you are good to go. Spark plugs are good for years now. We used to swap them at least once or twice each year. So, I doubt that diesel engines are really all that much better now than gasoline engines in passenger cars for the average buyer. I periodically convince myself that I want a diesel pickup but then I talk myself out of it. I might get better mileage than i do with my gasoline truck (if I got the Dodge with the Cummins) but the cost of acquisition and potential repair costs are such that it would likely cost me more in the long run and I don't really need the additional capacity of the 3/4 or 1 ton truck. Randy who likes the diesel car but is old enough to be behind the times ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction
My wife has indicated support for that option as well, though she hardly ever cooks anything. I have told her that gas is the way to go, but she says a gas cooktop is hard to clean (though I am the one who cleans it). She sees the slick-top thing as the way to go because it does not look like a useful appliance. Sigh. --R On 7/18/12 1:53 PM, OK Don wrote: My boss occasionally asks for induction and goes prowling through the appliance stores looking at them. I nominate HF to be the GPs and report back to us! On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: We had one some years back. It wasn't as fussy about the type of cookware as they claimed, but if you were heating a pot of water to boil you could tell a difference. When we moved on to the next cooktop or stove, we went to plain electric with the ceramic/glass top and skipped the induction. We figured the additional expense for the cookware was unwarranted. Dan On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: For many years the boss has been bitching about our old school electric stovetop, seeing that I am such a nice bloke I might upgrade to induction cooktop. Might be able to get this http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/st-peters/appliances/induction-cooktop/1003797140yeah I know I need to get magnetic cookware to go with it but that's OK, most of our cookware is ancient and stuffed. We don't have gas hooked up to the house, so don't know the cost of getting it installed. However gas cooktops run at 40% efficiency, ceramic types run at 75% and induction is up to 85-90% depending on the quality and size of the cookware. Well this actually affects all forms of cooktop. Sure people say, what about when there is a power outage? Hmmnh, lights are off, think I'll whip up a four course meal. Last time we boiled the billy on the barby and still got my morning cuppa. So has anyone played around with induction or shall I be the guinea pig? Hendrik who lives in the space age On 17/07/12 14:17, Allan Streib wrote: I agree with most of this. We had one for about 5 years. Never a problem with it. I will say that I think that using flat pans is really important. A crowned pan bottom is basically contacting a small portion of the burner surface area. All that said, I don't hate them, but I would probably never buy another one. I much prefer gas. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
BUT - the price difference between the MB Diesel sedan and the Civic is such that one would never save enough money to pay the difference. A Maxima, or an Avalon or an Acura TL (?) etc will be not that much harder on fuel and cost a whole lot less. Nobody who buys a new MB has any concern over saving money compared to a gussied-up nissan or toyota. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
On 18/07/2012 1:27 PM, Allan Streib wrote: BUT - the price difference between the MB Diesel sedan and the Civic is such that one would never save enough money to pay the difference. A Maxima, or an Avalon or an Acura TL (?) etc will be not that much harder on fuel and cost a whole lot less. Nobody who buys a new MB has any concern over saving money compared to a gussied-up nissan or toyota. I don't think that was the point of the article. MB lovers with deep enough pockets are going to buy the product. Many believe the diesel is superior. The suggestion of the article was that diesel engines are not worth the cost etc. I suggested it was true. The diesel lovers do not wish to agree with me. I reiterate that a 300D was a great car in 1976 and still is for that matter. I am not truly convinced that the new MB diesel is worth the cost or will last as long as my old one has. I also doubt that I would rush out to buy a new Honda Accord if Honda suddenly produced a diesel version that I could buy here. I like my old 300D but the new gasoline fueled engines are pretty good stuff too. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
Depends where you are etc., I should think. Many (most?) places won't let people do gas work without a licence. Installer has to attach his seal with his licence number endorsed etc. We had our fireplace changed over to a gas insert and it took the gas fitter quite a while to disassemble and then re-assemble the black pipe in the basement from the furnace and hot water tank and add in the line that feeds the fireplace. Randy On 17/07/2012 8:57 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Holy crow man how much gas you gonna use? A stove doesn't run on high pressure gas, you gotta feed it regulated gas, small copper pipe... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:06:35 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop Message-ID: calk3cy6qw8do-t4fgaae_m7mf8et5ij04dhonghjo26tz0b...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Allan wrote: All that said, I don't hate them, but I would probably never buy another one. I much prefer gas. Now you guys have morphed this thread over to gas. Thanks for the encouragement that a modern GE is not bad - new 3 years ago, cheapest dirty shirt locally from craigslist. I think I prefer gas, and we have gas here (boiler) but electric hot water and electric kitchen. We rent, so tearing in to things is not something I do without care to get things back to original. Basement is finished ceiling old knotty pine paneling. Gas looks like there is direct tap for other appliances but I have never felt confident to tear in to the finished ceiling. Maybe I need to be more adventurous and do the gas run to the utility room and kitchen upstairs. Black iron pipe is not hard to hang install, is it? Dope joints against leak, testing is easy, isn't it? The tough part for me would be the plaster/drywall - built in 1948 so I don't know what the ceiling is. Floor is asbestos tile - we don't care. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm interviewing at Taylor
Hopefully not but I have also read that one needs to be wary of dips in the line as pex is soft enough to sag a bit over time. I plan to support it at each joist so it ought not to be able to sag enough to be an issue. I could blow it out too with air but so far, with the existing copper pipe system, we have just been able to open valves and remove plugs and let the system drain itself by gravity. Randy On 17/07/2012 8:37 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I hear that pex doesn't burst like copper does during freezing temps. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2012, at 3:44 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: We do not heat the cottage over winter. It does seem to heave a bit here and there and does not settle down until the weather warms up enough for all of the frost to be out of the ground. We get some cracking of the drywall in certain spots. I have thought some about how I might stabilize it but have also decided that drywall is not exactly cottagy anyway and have plans to cover it with pine panelling if I live long enough (renovations tends to be a bit of a slow process out at the lake). Mother used to spend the whole year in it and when there was heat in the crawl space, it stayed reasonably steady. We suffered some broken pipe joints the first year that we shut it down but put drain plugs in at each of those spots and have not had issues since. I am also in the process of re-plumbing the whole thing as we are redoing the bathroom and that is the major plumbing spot anyway. There is essentially the one bath, the kitchen sink and a hot water tank so plumbing is not extensive. Going to use pex this time so pretty fast to change out the old stuff. Randy On 17/07/2012 2:36 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: We've been shutting down my grandmother's house every winter since 2001. No big whoop, blow the water out of the lines, pour some washer fluid in the toilet and clothes washer and in the traps under the sink. 2000 was the first year she didn't stay the winter. We kept the house at 55F but still blew out the pipes (dammed pipes freeze even when you keep the house warm) and it cost $1600 in oil. That was the last year for that. Last summer my uncle re-plumbed the bathroom with an eye toward drainage, blowing out the lines is MUCH easier now. It used to take an hour with a 50% chance a pipe would still break, now we're down to maybe 15 minutes and no broken pipes this year. Time will tell... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:33:28 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm interviewing at Taylor Message-ID: 500585c8.4070...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 16/07/2012 6:40 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: We had winter snowbirds in FL (Ft Walton Beach/Destin area). One of then explained to me that it was cheaper to vacation in FL than to heat their home during the Canadian winter. But unless you get rid of your home, you need to heat it anyway. At a lower temperature no doubt but most homes are not easily shut down for the winter. We do with the cottage but it is hard on it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money
Randy Bennell wrote: You can tell me the MB is a better car but the fact remains that the diesel option is not quite so good as it once was. I use and drive diesels because I like them better - not because they cost less. Public transportation is a good idea from a purely economic viewpoint - but I still choose to own a car. Or two. Well, actually a lot more than two. * Fuel is much safer to handle and transport * Fuel lasts longer is storage * Smells better, both raw and after combustion. Cost is but one of many factors. And like OK Don, I would (do?) pay extra for the other benefits. For pure cost, it's hard to beat a bicycle. But it doesn't have an air conditioner that BLOWS ICE COLD!! Ahh. But there already is a non-economic factor. And then there is load capacity, passenger space, etc. -- Philip, smug in his vast intellectual and moral superiority. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
In Yurp Benz diesels are relatively less expensive (not as gussied-up too), and there is a wider range of models from which to choose. If we had access to those cars it might level the field a lot. Last summer I drove this diesel Peugeot wagon, was a great car and got excellent mileage (kilometerage?) on diesel, I figured at least 40-45mpg. I wondered why we can't have those, would totally alter the market here in the US. Every maker has a range of diesels, even the Japanese and Korean cars. I guess they don't figure it is worth the trouble to get them certified given Kollyfawnya's advanced thinking on the matter. --R On 7/18/12 3:26 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: I reiterate that a 300D was a great car in 1976 and still is for that matter. I am not truly convinced that the new MB diesel is worth the cost or will last as long as my old one has. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need a rear-view mirror -- Kleb? -- return lines
On 17/07/2012 9:05 PM, Dieselhead wrote: ...So yesterday I finally decided to go do the return lines, as they were weeping a bit anyway, and I had ordered some hose a few weeks back as part of another order. Cranked it for maybe 20sec and it fired off, ran a bit rough for a few seconds, then smoothed out with a hiccup after about 30sec but then ran fine like it had before. Given the only thing I did was change the return lines, and was told the air thing, I figure that is what it was. Who knows... --R Air in the lines will allow fuel to drain back into the tank. Air will leak through the hoses before fuel, due to different size molecules. Just like air and water transpire through your plastic gallon milk jug, but the mild stays in. The return lines are a critical, and inexpensive maintenance item. If they are over a year old, replace em. It saves a lot of headaches and SWMBO calls. SWMBO calls lead to get rid of that old POS so you have to replace a very reliable car with a gasser POS that is not reliable. THen the money you should be spending on beer, gu ns, boats, airplanes, goolf, and other necessities has to go for a worthless, soul-less POS car. ___ BUT SWMBO will be happy with her new and boring car and will leave you alone. My good wife has a 2007 Honda Accord that we bought used, in 2008 with about 25K miles on it. The car has had virtually nothing since but oil changes and she regularely tells me how much she loves her car. I doubt I would hear that if I had talked her into driving an old MB. I like mine but I am willing to put up with some eccentricities. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
On 18/07/2012 12:12 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: Now you guys have morphed this thread over to gas. Thanks for the encouragement that a modern GE is not bad - new 3 years ago, cheapest dirty shirt locally from craigslist. I think I prefer gas, and we have gas here (boiler) but electric hot water and electric kitchen. We rent, so tearing in to things is not something I do without care to get things back to original. Most landlords would not be happy about tenants altering something like that. Don't know about your specific situation. But yeah black pipe is pretty straightforward, use the brush-on dope, and test for leaks with soapy water. Don't use the teflon tape, little flecks of it can get into the pipe and clog your burners. Allan But you are going to need the threading and cutting equipment too if you want to do a nice neat job. The pipes are not likely to be standard sizes. I think places like Home Depot will thread pipe for you but it would be somewhat difficult to get the sizes exact and have them cut and threaded ahead of time. Manual threading stuff can be had reasonably cheaply but it is a bit of work. I worked as an electrician's helper one summer back in high school and it was my job to thread the conduit pipe. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: I guess they don't figure it is worth the trouble to get them certified given Kollyfawnya's advanced thinking on the matter. That's the reason Subaru gave, anyway. I don't know if that's all of it though. Europe has ALWAYS had way more diesel cars running around than the US, since before there even was an EPA. I don't know why they never got as popular here. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca writes: But you are going to need the threading and cutting equipment too if you want to do a nice neat job. That is true. The few times I've had to do anything with it, I was always lucky enough to be able to work with pre-cut, pre-threaded pieces. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
I don't think I'd take much advice from a source with Katie Holmes updates beside the article... They also don't take into account the people for whom each type of car makes more sense. Diesel people are in it long term and do a lot of long haul driving on the highway where a diesel excels. A hybrid or electric might be better if you did all city driving. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:34:05 -0400 From: Meade M. Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrolmodels 'are more economical for most makes of car' Message-ID: 84423f62-fb80-4689-ba38-0b2ba3b59...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Rubbish! Article doesn't address maintenance cost. Also, if their equivalent of our EPA ratings are as inaccurate for diesels, real world fuel consumption might be far better than what the window sticker says. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175111/Great-diesel-myth-They-DONT-save-money-petrol-models-economical-makes-car.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
It sounds like you're assuming there hasn't been any development of diesel engines in the last 30+ years... -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:57:26 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car' Message-ID: 5006dce6.7020...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 18/07/2012 8:33 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175111/Great-diesel-myth-They-DONT-save-money-petrol-models-economical-makes-car.html --R For most drivers it is probably true. Times have changed. Back in the time when my 1976 300D was new, it was an economy car compared to most gasoline models. My car gets roughly 20 to 30 mpg (Imperial) depending on whether it is highway or city miles. That was great mileage back when most gasoline vehicles were lucky to get 12 mpg. Also, back then, diesel was quite a bit cheaper than gasoline if I recall correctly. All of that has changed over time. The newer fuel injected gasoline engines in cars like a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry will get mileage that exceeds that of my car and have more power to boot. The cost of diesel is often higher than gasoline these days. Longevity of gasoline engines seems to have been improved greatly. Fuel injection and better initial tolerances on production and better oils mean they don't wear like they once did. There is little maintenance to most new cars. Change the oil and the filter and once in a while the air filter and you are good to go. Spark plugs are good for years now. We used to swap them at least once or twice each year. So, I doubt that diesel engines are really all that much better now than gasoline engines in passenger cars for the average buyer. I periodically convince myself that I want a diesel pickup but then I talk myself out of it. I might get better mileage than i do with my gasoline truck (if I got the Dodge with the Cummins) but the cost of acquisition and potential repair costs are such that it would likely cost me more in the long run and I don't really need the additional capacity of the 3/4 or 1 ton truck. Randy who likes the diesel car but is old enough to be behind the times ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
Interesting, why would you bother? Maybe the black iron is required now but didn't used to be? Every propane fixture I've ever used has had copper for the whole thing. Thats not a huge number of stoves though. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:20:32 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop Message-ID: m1y5mhx9y7@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I forget about city connections to natgas. I've never lived in a house where that was an option. Us country folks (I live in town but its a small town) get propane from a bottle and run soft copper lines. MIL has propane, copper line from the tank to the house, where it transitions to iron pipe for the internal plumbing. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
On 18/07/2012 4:26 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: I guess they don't figure it is worth the trouble to get them certified given Kollyfawnya's advanced thinking on the matter. That's the reason Subaru gave, anyway. I don't know if that's all of it though. Europe has ALWAYS had way more diesel cars running around than the US, since before there even was an EPA. I don't know why they never got as popular here. Allan For the longest time, gasoline was very cheap in the USA and as such not much of a concern to you folks. I knew folks from the USA with cottages on Lake of the Woods. They came every summer driving things like LTD station wagons wtih big big motors. They were not the least worried about mileage as gas was almost free down south of the border. They used to howl a bit about the cost of fuel at the lake but I think some of the sting was taken out by the value of the US dollar too which was usually higher than the Canadian dollar. Back in the late 60's we were paying something like $0.57 per gallon and you were paying something like $0.15 per gallon. I don't know what it cost in Europe but I believe it was a lot more than that. Hence the diesel taxi cabs in places like London England and the MB diesel cabs in other places. Please bear in mind that these are not really comments based upon fact so much vague memories Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
Your miles per tank will be higher too. If you were traveling a lot, driving for work say, the time spent behind the wheel rather than fueling up could become significant. At some point in the next 3-5 years I'm going to have to suck it up and buy a new car to commute with. I simply don't have the time to maintain a 30 year old car anymore. I wish there was a diesel option other than a Jetta (the Beetle is not an option!). -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:12:37 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car' Message-ID: canzcij8aw+hdrxkhm5ex6rxj+ildq0phrsvw3k2higddskn...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I got 44 mpg on the first full tank I the TDI Passat. It's the same weight as the C class. With Diesel at $3.70/gal, and unleaded at $3.35, a gasoline car would have to get over 38mpg to equal the fuel cost over 10,000 miles. Yes, the TDI cost more than the equivalent gasoline car, but the cost per mile ($0.49) over 100,000 miles in 10 year (not including maintenance) is the same. I voted to satisfy my religious addiction to Diesel, and would have even if the total cost was higher :-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth:
I think thats mostly right, then add on the abysmally bad cars GM made in the late '70s. By the time GM made cars that weren't crap the public had soured on them. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:39:02 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car' Message-ID: 50072cf6.9070...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 18/07/2012 4:26 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: I guess they don't figure it is worth the trouble to get them certified given Kollyfawnya's advanced thinking on the matter. That's the reason Subaru gave, anyway. I don't know if that's all of it though. Europe has ALWAYS had way more diesel cars running around than the US, since before there even was an EPA. I don't know why they never got as popular here. Allan For the longest time, gasoline was very cheap in the USA and as such not much of a concern to you folks. I knew folks from the USA with cottages on Lake of the Woods. They came every summer driving things like LTD station wagons wtih big big motors. They were not the least worried about mileage as gas was almost free down south of the border. They used to howl a bit about the cost of fuel at the lake but I think some of the sting was taken out by the value of the US dollar too which was usually higher than the Canadian dollar. Back in the late 60's we were paying something like $0.57 per gallon and you were paying something like $0.15 per gallon. I don't know what it cost in Europe but I believe it was a lot more than that. Hence the diesel taxi cabs in places like London England and the MB diesel cabs in other places. Please bear in mind that these are not really comments based upon fact so much vague memories Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
No, I suggest just the opposite. I am not convinced that the current crop of diesel engines will perform as well or as long as my 1976 300D engine. The new one's are computer controlled and have aluminum parts and Urea additives etc. Not a simple engine like it once was. Can I count on a new Blue tec or what ever it is called being around and running fine when it is 36 years old? I know that diesels are now quieter and cleaner but apart from that, are they truly any better? Now that may be fine for the folks who buy a new car every 3 or so years and don't have any interest in long term ownership and that is sort of what the article suggested. It said that with the car costing more up front and fuel costing more, there was little incentive to buy a diesel. Whoever wrote that article was not thinking ahead to bottom feeders like us looking for reliable and inexpensive old cars to run many years in the future. Randy On 18/07/2012 4:35 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: It sounds like you're assuming there hasn't been any development of diesel engines in the last 30+ years... -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:57:26 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car' Message-ID: 5006dce6.7020...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 18/07/2012 8:33 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175111/Great-diesel-myth-They-DONT-save-money-petrol-models-economical-makes-car.html --R For most drivers it is probably true. Times have changed. Back in the time when my 1976 300D was new, it was an economy car compared to most gasoline models. My car gets roughly 20 to 30 mpg (Imperial) depending on whether it is highway or city miles. That was great mileage back when most gasoline vehicles were lucky to get 12 mpg. Also, back then, diesel was quite a bit cheaper than gasoline if I recall correctly. All of that has changed over time. The newer fuel injected gasoline engines in cars like a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry will get mileage that exceeds that of my car and have more power to boot. The cost of diesel is often higher than gasoline these days. Longevity of gasoline engines seems to have been improved greatly. Fuel injection and better initial tolerances on production and better oils mean they don't wear like they once did. There is little maintenance to most new cars. Change the oil and the filter and once in a while the air filter and you are good to go. Spark plugs are good for years now. We used to swap them at least once or twice each year. So, I doubt that diesel engines are really all that much better now than gasoline engines in passenger cars for the average buyer. I periodically convince myself that I want a diesel pickup but then I talk myself out of it. I might get better mileage than i do with my gasoline truck (if I got the Dodge with the Cummins) but the cost of acquisition and potential repair costs are such that it would likely cost me more in the long run and I don't really need the additional capacity of the 3/4 or 1 ton truck. Randy who likes the diesel car but is old enough to be behind the times ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca writes: Back in the late 60's we were paying something like $0.57 per gallon and you were paying something like $0.15 per gallon. I don't know if it was *that* cheap, and anyway you can't think of it in terms of today's dollars, you have to adjust for inflation. In fact gasoline in the US has always cost between $2 and $3.50/gallon in today's dollars, with a spike during the Carter years, and another one lately (go figure...) and an exceptional low point in the late 1990s. http://www.inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_rate/Gasoline_Inflation.asp Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth:
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I think thats mostly right, then add on the abysmally bad cars GM made in the late '70s. By the time GM made cars that weren't crap the public had soured on them. But diesel cars were comparitively popular in Europe before that time, and since. I think Americans just never liked diesels for some reason. The GM debacle didn't help at all, of course. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
amen On 7/18/2012 1:12 PM, OK Don wrote: I got 44 mpg on the first full tank I the TDI Passat. It's the same weight as the C class. With Diesel at $3.70/gal, and unleaded at $3.35, a gasoline car would have to get over 38mpg to equal the fuel cost over 10,000 miles. Yes, the TDI cost more than the equivalent gasoline car, but the cost per mile ($0.49) over 100,000 miles in 10 year (not including maintenance) is the same. I voted to satisfy my religious addiction to Diesel, and would have even if the total cost was higher :-) On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: A maxima, Avalon etc do not get 40mpg and are vastly inferior cars to an E350 diesel. Yes diesel option not as good but still better. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: BUT - the price difference between the MB Diesel sedan and the Civic is such that one would never save enough money to pay the difference. A Maxima, or an Avalon or an Acura TL (?) etc will be not that much harder on fuel and cost a whole lot less. You can tell me the MB is a better car but the fact remains that the diesel option is not quite so good as it once was. Randy On 18/07/2012 11:42 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: All true except that the diesel vehicles today continue to get significantly better gas mileage. A large, heavy, safe, powerful Mercedes diesel sedan will get in the high thirties. High thirties in a gasoline powered car would be a civic. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 18/07/2012 8:33 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175111/Great-diesel-myth-They-DONT-save-money-petrol-models-economical-makes-car.html --R For most drivers it is probably true. Times have changed. Back in the time when my 1976 300D was new, it was an economy car compared to most gasoline models. My car gets roughly 20 to 30 mpg (Imperial) depending on whether it is highway or city miles. That was great mileage back when most gasoline vehicles were lucky to get 12 mpg. Also, back then, diesel was quite a bit cheaper than gasoline if I recall correctly. All of that has changed over time. The newer fuel injected gasoline engines in cars like a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry will get mileage that exceeds that of my car and have more power to boot. The cost of diesel is often higher than gasoline these days. Longevity of gasoline engines seems to have been improved greatly. Fuel injection and better initial tolerances on production and better oils mean they don't wear like they once did. There is little maintenance to most new cars. Change the oil and the filter and once in a while the air filter and you are good to go. Spark plugs are good for years now. We used to swap them at least once or twice each year. So, I doubt that diesel engines are really all that much better now than gasoline engines in passenger cars for the average buyer. I periodically convince myself that I want a diesel pickup but then I talk myself out of it. I might get better mileage than i do with my gasoline truck (if I got the Dodge with the Cummins) but the cost of acquisition and potential repair costs are such that it would likely cost me more in the long run and I don't really need the additional capacity of the 3/4 or 1 ton truck. Randy who likes the diesel car but is old enough to be behind the times ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
Supposedly the Cruze will have a diesel in 2013. That might not be a bad car. On 7/18/2012 4:42 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Your miles per tank will be higher too. If you were traveling a lot, driving for work say, the time spent behind the wheel rather than fueling up could become significant. At some point in the next 3-5 years I'm going to have to suck it up and buy a new car to commute with. I simply don't have the time to maintain a 30 year old car anymore. I wish there was a diesel option other than a Jetta (the Beetle is not an option!). -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:12:37 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car' Message-ID: canzcij8aw+hdrxkhm5ex6rxj+ildq0phrsvw3k2higddskn...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I got 44 mpg on the first full tank I the TDI Passat. It's the same weight as the C class. With Diesel at $3.70/gal, and unleaded at $3.35, a gasoline car would have to get over 38mpg to equal the fuel cost over 10,000 miles. Yes, the TDI cost more than the equivalent gasoline car, but the cost per mile ($0.49) over 100,000 miles in 10 year (not including maintenance) is the same. I voted to satisfy my religious addiction to Diesel, and would have even if the total cost was higher :-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5139 - Release Date: 07/18/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth:
I always heard it had to do with the taxes on diesel v gas over there. On 7/18/2012 5:04 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I think thats mostly right, then add on the abysmally bad cars GM made in the late '70s. By the time GM made cars that weren't crap the public had soured on them. But diesel cars were comparitively popular in Europe before that time, and since. I think Americans just never liked diesels for some reason. The GM debacle didn't help at all, of course. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: Re: Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car' hy5u5a7u
Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car' Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:40:21 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Isn;t diesel cheaper in Yurp (i.e., taxed less)? I don't recall. --R On 7/18/12 5:32 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I don't think I'd take much advice from a source with Katie Holmes updates beside the article... They also don't take into account the people for whom each type of car makes more sense. Diesel people are in it long term and do a lot of long haul driving on the highway where a diesel excels. A hybrid or electric might be better if you did all city driving. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:34:05 -0400 From: Meade M. Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrolmodels 'are more economical for most makes of car' Message-ID: 84423f62-fb80-4689-ba38-0b2ba3b59...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Rubbish! Article doesn't address maintenance cost. Also, if their equivalent of our EPA ratings are as inaccurate for diesels, real world fuel consumption might be far better than what the window sticker says. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrolmodels 'are more economical for most makes of car'
It's the War on Diesel. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States The federal tax on Diesel is 33% higher than gas and almost all states have higher tax on Diesel. I guess the rationale is that the taxpayers will notice if their gas tax is higher but they won't notice when everything else costs more. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrolmodels 'are more economical for most makes of car' Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: I guess they don't figure it is worth the trouble to get them certified given Kollyfawnya's advanced thinking on the matter. That's the reason Subaru gave, anyway. I don't know if that's all of it though. Europe has ALWAYS had way more diesel cars running around than the US, since before there even was an EPA. I don't know why they never got as popular here. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm interviewing at Taylor
What do you do about the water heater? That was always the most time-consuming part when I prepped the place for the winter. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm interviewing at Taylor Hopefully not but I have also read that one needs to be wary of dips in the line as pex is soft enough to sag a bit over time. I plan to support it at each joist so it ought not to be able to sag enough to be an issue. I could blow it out too with air but so far, with the existing copper pipe system, we have just been able to open valves and remove plugs and let the system drain itself by gravity. Randy On 17/07/2012 8:37 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I hear that pex doesn't burst like copper does during freezing temps. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2012, at 3:44 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: We do not heat the cottage over winter. It does seem to heave a bit here and there and does not settle down until the weather warms up enough for all of the frost to be out of the ground. We get some cracking of the drywall in certain spots. I have thought some about how I might stabilize it but have also decided that drywall is not exactly cottagy anyway and have plans to cover it with pine panelling if I live long enough (renovations tends to be a bit of a slow process out at the lake). Mother used to spend the whole year in it and when there was heat in the crawl space, it stayed reasonably steady. We suffered some broken pipe joints the first year that we shut it down but put drain plugs in at each of those spots and have not had issues since. I am also in the process of re-plumbing the whole thing as we are redoing the bathroom and that is the major plumbing spot anyway. There is essentially the one bath, the kitchen sink and a hot water tank so plumbing is not extensive. Going to use pex this time so pretty fast to change out the old stuff. Randy On 17/07/2012 2:36 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: We've been shutting down my grandmother's house every winter since 2001. No big whoop, blow the water out of the lines, pour some washer fluid in the toilet and clothes washer and in the traps under the sink. 2000 was the first year she didn't stay the winter. We kept the house at 55F but still blew out the pipes (dammed pipes freeze even when you keep the house warm) and it cost $1600 in oil. That was the last year for that. Last summer my uncle re-plumbed the bathroom with an eye toward drainage, blowing out the lines is MUCH easier now. It used to take an hour with a 50% chance a pipe would still break, now we're down to maybe 15 minutes and no broken pipes this year. Time will tell... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:33:28 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm interviewing at Taylor Message-ID: 500585c8.4070...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 16/07/2012 6:40 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: We had winter snowbirds in FL (Ft Walton Beach/Destin area). One of then explained to me that it was cheaper to vacation in FL than to heat their home during the Canadian winter. But unless you get rid of your home, you need to heat it anyway. At a lower temperature no doubt but most homes are not easily shut down for the winter. We do with the cottage but it is hard on it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Uh oh - algae woes
I think use pattern is a big factor. If you drive the car all the time, the tank is pretty clean to start, and you go through a tank of fuel every week or two, then a few spare filters will do the job. But if the car is driven little and the same Diesel sits in the tank for months, regular biocide treatments get to be important. In my particular case I think the tank was pretty clean until I refueled at a country station somewhere on the way back from Ahoske. I got so much crud and water at the one fill-up that it choked the in-tank screen. Most of this stuff was heavier than fuel and it just sat on the bottom until I started driving, which stirred it up until It got sucked against the unplugged part of the screen. So I pretty-much had to get it out of the tank and , being heavy, it wouldn't drain out. There was also goo that was lighter (suspended) that fouled the fuel gauge, which quit working. After I removed and cleaned the gauge it worked and continues to work fine. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh - algae woes Buy some extra filters and do the shock treatment of biobor. I honestly don't think it is worth the effort that scott describes, although that will help get it cleaner sooner. in my experience, the shock treatment,and running it will clean out the tank. But you want to add the normal treatment of biocide at each refill for several tanks. I had the same problem with my 82 300sd about 6 years ago. It would start out OK but after a few miles crap would build up on the in-tank fuel strainer to the extent I couldn't maintain speed, especially uphill. When the tank got low, I painfully drained what would come out and removed the in-tank strainer. A vice-grips did the job of unscrewing it. Then I blasted out the tank with my pressure washer working from above through the fuel gauge hole. After I was convinced the tank was as clean as it was going to get, I sucked up the water I could reach with a shop vac and than ran the shop van on blow for about 8 hours; the shop-vac hose blew in at the fuel gauge hole and air exited the strainer hole below. When all looked dry, I put it back together with a new strainer. All this was done with the car on jack stands and tilted to get the strainer hole as low as possible. Then I pressure-washed my concrete work pad that was covered with an amazing layer of crud. Bergsma's kit looks like good stuff. I did the job without the fancy tools but I was younger then. Supplemental: my problem was debris from refueling at a bad station. I normally add Biobor (biocide) at each refueling. I get the stuff at West Marine. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 6:08 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] Uh oh - algae woes My '78 240D has gotten slow, really slow, mega slow, slow even for a 240D. A couple weeks ago I replaced the fuel filters and it got better for most of a ride to RI. On the way back it was bad again. How bad? Like 3rd gear 50mph on any kind of hill bad. So today I figured I better look into it. Pulled the fuel sender, the tank is pretty low so this seemed like a good place to start. YEECH! What is that black $h!t coating the bottom 1/4 of the sender? This can't be good. Got it apart and found a huge snot globule that explains why the low fuel light never comes on. When I say huge snot globule I mean it. At first I thought there was a wiper pad at the bottom of the sender. Had to come in an look at pictures of a clean one. I got the globule out and got the sender back together, at least one thing is fixed. I don't know if I want to attempt the tank strainer. Looks like if I do I should probably buy the kit from Mercedes source but it also seems like if the tank is as bad as this I should probably have it pulled out and steam cleaned. I'll run it over to my local guy tomorrow and see what he'll charge for this fun job. If the guy down the street will do it it'll save my Indy. I think this is a job he'd prefer not to do. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction for cooking Guinea pigs
That confused me, was thinking GP means general practitioner but then the brain warmed up a bit and figured you meant Guinea piggy. Hendrik who plays minesweeper in the morning to get the brain working On 18/07/12 22:04, Dieselhead wrote: For many years the boss has been bitching about our old school electric stovetop, seeing that I am such a nice bloke I might upgrade to induction cooktop. Might be able to get this http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/st-peters/appliances/induction-cooktop/1003797140 yeah I know I need to get magnetic cookware to go with it but that's OK, most of our cookware is ancient and stuffed. We don't have gas hooked up to the house, so don't know the cost of getting it installed. However gas cooktops run at 40% efficiency, ceramic types run at 75% and induction is up to 85-90% depending on the quality and size of the cookware. Well this actually affects all forms of cooktop. Sure people say, what about when there is a power outage? Hmmnh, lights are off, think I'll whip up a four course meal. Last time we boiled the billy on the barby and still got my morning cuppa. So has anyone played around with induction or shall I be the guinea pig? Hendrik who lives in the space age Hendrik, Looks to me like you will make a very good space age GP. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
Our houses seem to have copper from the propane tank to the house, iron in the house, then a short length of flex copper to the appliance. We're in the country - no requirement to follow codes --- On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting, why would you bother? Maybe the black iron is required now but didn't used to be? Every propane fixture I've ever used has had copper for the whole thing. Thats not a huge number of stoves though. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:20:32 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop Message-ID: m1y5mhx9y7@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I forget about city connections to natgas. I've never lived in a house where that was an option. Us country folks (I live in town but its a small town) get propane from a bottle and run soft copper lines. MIL has propane, copper line from the tank to the house, where it transitions to iron pipe for the internal plumbing. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth:
So you're arguing that the improvements of the last 30 years make gasoline engines better and longer lasting but NOT diesel engines? -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:55:46 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car' Message-ID: 500730e2.1030...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed No, I suggest just the opposite. I am not convinced that the current crop of diesel engines will perform as well or as long as my 1976 300D engine. The new one's are computer controlled and have aluminum parts and Urea additives etc. Not a simple engine like it once was. Can I count on a new Blue tec or what ever it is called being around and running fine when it is 36 years old? I know that diesels are now quieter and cleaner but apart from that, are they truly any better? Now that may be fine for the folks who buy a new car every 3 or so years and don't have any interest in long term ownership and that is sort of what the article suggested. It said that with the car costing more up front and fuel costing more, there was little incentive to buy a diesel. Whoever wrote that article was not thinking ahead to bottom feeders like us looking for reliable and inexpensive old cars to run many years in the future. Randy On 18/07/2012 4:35 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: It sounds like you're assuming there hasn't been any development of diesel engines in the last 30+ years... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
It's called the Passat -- and that's the exact reason I have one now as well. On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I simply don't have the time to maintain a 30 year old car anymore. I wish there was a diesel option other than a Jetta (the Beetle is not an option!). -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrolmodels 'are more economical for most makes of car'
It's also partly rationalized as a way to have the trucks pay for their share of road maintenance. And yes, taxes passed down as the higher cost of goods are not noticed. On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: It's the War on Diesel. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States The federal tax on Diesel is 33% higher than gas and almost all states have higher tax on Diesel. I guess the rationale is that the taxpayers will notice if their gas tax is higher but they won't notice when everything else costs more. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction for cooking Guinea pigs
I first figured it was Glow Plug, this being a Mercedes list and all -- On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: That confused me, was thinking GP means general practitioner but then the brain warmed up a bit and figured you meant Guinea piggy. Hendrik who plays minesweeper in the morning to get the brain working On 18/07/12 22:04, Dieselhead wrote: For many years the boss has been bitching about our old school electric stovetop, seeing that I am such a nice bloke I might upgrade to induction cooktop. Might be able to get this http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-** ad/st-peters/appliances/**induction-cooktop/1003797140http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/st-peters/appliances/induction-cooktop/1003797140yeah I know I need to get magnetic cookware to go with it but that's OK, most of our cookware is ancient and stuffed. We don't have gas hooked up to the house, so don't know the cost of getting it installed. However gas cooktops run at 40% efficiency, ceramic types run at 75% and induction is up to 85-90% depending on the quality and size of the cookware. Well this actually affects all forms of cooktop. Sure people say, what about when there is a power outage? Hmmnh, lights are off, think I'll whip up a four course meal. Last time we boiled the billy on the barby and still got my morning cuppa. So has anyone played around with induction or shall I be the guinea pig? Hendrik who lives in the space age Hendrik, Looks to me like you will make a very good space age GP. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction for cooking Guinea pigs
Hmmnh, space age glow plug, I might be a lot of things but not that. Hendrik who doesn't glow in the dark On 19/07/12 09:39, OK Don wrote: I first figured it was Glow Plug, this being a Mercedes list and all -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm interviewing at Taylor
We've (at my grandmother's house I mean) got a dirt basement so we just let it drain down. If you didn't or didn't have a good basement drain I could see it being a big hassle. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:02:21 -0400 From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm interviewing at Taylor Message-ID: 41A8FEDA8BC44D7FBCACF95A3D2035E7@ScottPC Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii What do you do about the water heater? That was always the most time-consuming part when I prepped the place for the winter. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm interviewing at Taylor Hopefully not but I have also read that one needs to be wary of dips in the line as pex is soft enough to sag a bit over time. I plan to support it at each joist so it ought not to be able to sag enough to be an issue. I could blow it out too with air but so far, with the existing copper pipe system, we have just been able to open valves and remove plugs and let the system drain itself by gravity. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need a rear-view mirror -- Kleb? -- return lines
she regularly tells me how much she loves her car. I doubt I would hear that if I had talked her into driving an old MB. I like mine but I am willing to put up with some eccentricities. One could always point out that you _like_ the eccentricities, else you would be out wife-shopping for a nice, new trouble-free one. (With no soul or character...) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
I periodically convince myself that I want a diesel pickup but then I talk myself out of it. I might get better mileage than i do with my gasoline truck (if I got the Dodge with the Cummins) but the cost of acquisition and potential repair costs are such that it would likely cost me more in the long run and I don't really need the additional capacity of the 3/4 or 1 ton truck. In the case of the Dodge, the price differential on the front end pretty much is exactly the price differential on the back end, at least around here. Has been for years. You'd maybe get it all back on resale, in other words. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need a rear-view mirror -- Kleb? -- return lines
___ BUT SWMBO will be happy with her new and boring car and will leave you alone. My good wife has a 2007 Honda Accord that we bought used, in 2008 with about 25K miles on it. The car has had virtually nothing since but oil changes and she regularely tells me how much she loves her car. I doubt I would hear that if I had talked her into driving an old MB. I like mine but I am willing to put up with some eccentricities. Randy You just have not broken her in properly. Mine was very jealous of my second MB Diesel, which I had when I met her. I let her drive gassers. But years of extolling the virtues, (and first hand witnessing the safety and the ability of MB Diesels to keep going in situations that would have rendered a gasser F O R D), gradually won her over. She loved the 300TD. She never objects to old Dieselsmuch... after 36 years... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
I was always told that copper with propane was verboten, however FIL, who worked for the (natural) gas company, allowed the waterheater to be plumbed with copper for the last 5 feet. NG was always black iron, except flex tubing the last 36 or less was acceptable about 1970 or so and later. I first saw the yellow covered NG flex tubing 2-3 years ago. Looks like a a lot easier to install, but not as long term of a solution. Interesting, why would you bother? Maybe the black iron is required now but didn't used to be? Every propane fixture I've ever used has had copper for the whole thing. Thats not a huge number of stoves though. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:20:32 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop Message-ID: m1y5mhx9y7@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I forget about city connections to natgas. I've never lived in a house where that was an option. Us country folks (I live in town but its a small town) get propane from a bottle and run soft copper lines. MIL has propane, copper line from the tank to the house, where it transitions to iron pipe for the internal plumbing. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction for cooking Guinea pigs
Yep! GP. In this case, it meant guinea peeg. When #1 Daughter had them she started calling them GP for short. In this case, that thankfully never got further shortened to jeep. So in this case it meant a GP without GPs. I first figured it was Glow Plug, this being a Mercedes list and all -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm interviewing at Taylor
Scott Ritchey wrote: What do you do about the water heater? That was always the most time-consuming part when I prepped the place for the winter. The drain on the one at my friend's cottage is chest high to somebody standing outside, so we just run a hose outside and let it drain. If it's in a basement, you can run it to the floor drain. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
Dieselhead wrote: I was always told that copper with propane was verboten, however FIL, who worked for the (natural) gas company, allowed the waterheater to be plumbed with copper for the last 5 feet. The house I bought last winter had no propane tank. My propane company pulled a permit to bury a line to the 500 gallon tank they installed, and ran semirigid copper to the house from the tank. Inside I've got copper to the utility area in the basement, black iron around the furnace and water heater, and another run of copper from there to the kitchen stove. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 80, Issue 86
...A maxima, Avalon etc do not get 40mpg and are vastly inferior cars to an E350 diesel.. An E350 Diesel does not get 40mpg. 35 under ideal conditions and they cost more than the equivalent gas model and have less standard equipment. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel myths
...I got 44 mpg on the first full tank I the TDI Passat. It's the same weight as the C class... My C300 weighs almost 3500 lbs. Are VWs that heavy? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gussied up?
...Nobody who buys a new MB has any concern over saving money compared to a gussied-up nissan or toyota... What does this mean? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] diesel myth
The suggestion of the article was that diesel engines are not worth the cost etc. I suggested it was true... Neither are hybrids, for that matter. But they still sell well. Look at what a Prius costs and how long does it take to justify the difference in purchase cost vs a Corolla? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrol models 'are more economical for most makes of car'
Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: Supposedly the Cruze will have a diesel in 2013. That might not be a bad car. I'd like to see Ford bring the Focus w/a diesel here. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth:
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: So you're arguing that the improvements of the last 30 years make gasoline engines better and longer lasting but NOT diesel engines? There's no doubt that modern diesel engines, with all the urea and whatever gizmoes and computer management are more complex. I think whether they are longer lasting is yet to be proven, none of them are 30 years old yet. My guess is that the core mechanicals are better, due to more precise machining and materials technology, but all the ancillary devices might not hold up. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth: They DON'T save you money and petrolmodels 'are more economical for most makes of car'
OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: It's also partly rationalized as a way to have the trucks pay for their share of road maintenance. And yes, taxes passed down as the higher cost of goods are not noticed. Well, they are noticed, but not noticed as or connected with taxes. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm interviewing at Taylor
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: We've (at my grandmother's house I mean) got a dirt basement so we just let it drain down. If you didn't or didn't have a good basement drain I could see it being a big hassle. Any rental store will have a little electric pump for draining water beds. Should work fine to drain an water heater too, I'd think. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] diesel people
Diesel people are in it long term and do a lot of long haul driving on the highway where a diesel excels. A hybrid or electric might be better if you did all city driving... Which diesel people? Certainly no one here since all the cars seem be undergoing repair or searching for parts to do same. I don't see any tales of long trips in the 40 year old cars so beloved here. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gussied up?
Take a VW. Gussie it up and you have a porch. Gussied up toada = lexi Gussied up nissan = Gussied up Shovey = fattylac Gussied up frod = linkun ...Nobody who buys a new MB has any concern over saving money compared to a gussied-up nissan or toyota... What does this mean? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] diesel people
Diesel people are in it long term and do a lot of long haul driving on the highway where a diesel excels. A hybrid or electric might be better if you did all city driving... Which diesel people? Certainly no one here since all the cars seem be undergoing repair or searching for parts to do same. I don't see any tales of long trips in the 40 year old cars so beloved here. RLE Only cuz you are sleepin. I put 50k a year on my SDL and older MBs for many years, and before that averaged 30k in the Diesel, plus more miles in other vehicles. Last spring I took off with the SDL on a 3000 mile trip hauling something like 22 buckets of samples for the first 1/2 of the trip. Because I am moving a lot of stuff around now, I am using the van more. But I am preparing the 2 240Ds for daily service, and they will become primary vehicles in a year or two. The SDL will be sold and the 2 240Ds will be primary. I will keep the 300D. There are others here who drive more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] diesel people
I drive my 240D from Maine or Boston to DC monthly. That qualifies as long? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:56 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: Diesel people are in it long term and do a lot of long haul driving on the highway where a diesel excels. A hybrid or electric might be better if you did all city driving... Which diesel people? Certainly no one here since all the cars seem be undergoing repair or searching for parts to do same. I don't see any tales of long trips in the 40 year old cars so beloved here. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] diesel people
Curt wrote: Diesel people are in it long term and do a lot of long haul driving on the highway where a diesel excels. A hybrid or electric might be better if you did all city driving... relng...@aol.com wrote: Which diesel people? Certainly no one here since all the cars seem be undergoing repair or searching for parts to do same. I don't see any tales of long trips in the 40 year old cars so beloved here. I'm not sure I agree with Curt's reference to long haul - but then I view that term to mean 2,500 miles (4000 km) per week. So what do you consider to be a long trip? 61 miles? (100 km) 200 miles? (320 km) 683 miles? (1100 km) Maybe that's because such trips are so mundane they aren't worth writing about. Here is a tale from a trip I took recently. I loaded up the car and left. Eight hours later I got there. I fueled once. The weather was hot. Two days later I returned. I wanted to avoid buying fuel in Illinois, but I didn't want to run out, so I bought 5 gallons to be sure I made it to better prices. The weather wasn't quite so hot, and I took a less direct road so it took almost ten hours. Then I was home and parked the car. The car started every time I wanted it to. It never overheated. The wheels turn like they should, on Interstate highways, state highways, and even very rough gravel county roads. Even the windows went down _and_ up. All the lights worked the whole trip. The sunroof opened and closed and didn't leak. Why bother with a tale like that? Sure, I could extol the pleasure of a long cruise, or the benefit of good air flow through the interior, or how I like hearing the engine sing as I wind it up climbing hills. But again, the adventure is in the what and where, not the car. I work to keep it that way 'cause I much prefer my mechanic adventures to occur in my driveway. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 80, Issue 90
...There's no doubt that modern diesel engines, with all the urea and whatever gizmos and computer management are more complex. I think whether they are longer lasting is yet to be proven, none of them are 30 years old yet. My guess is that the core mechanicals are better, due to more precise machining and materials technology, but all the ancillary devices might not hold up. Are you referring to all the ancillary devices we hear about every day here? Injectors and their feed lines. Injection pumps. Tank pumps. Filters. When my '78 300D was in warranty, the parts replacements after failures were: 13 injectors and a few lines. Water pump. Power steering pump. Belt idler pulleys Something about the injection pump, don't recall exactly. And then of course other bits under the hood not attached to the engine: Radiator AC condenser AC compressor What's good about today's MB diesels? They produce more than twice the power using significantly less fuel, are certainly far more civilized which means quiet and smooth. And they don't lay down smoke screens. The 3-liter 2007 pre-urea Bluetec produced 201hp and 35 mpg while my 3-liter 300D produced 77hp at 28.5 mpg. The W211 3-liter inline six CDI numbers were pretty close to the V-6 Bluetec and now there is a 3.5L Bluetec (for the GL and such) pumping out 265hp. I don't know what MB is up-charging for a diesel these days but in 2007 it was $1000 and the wheels were smaller and equipment that was standard in the gas model was extra cost on the diesel. These days to be competitive everything is expected to last a lot longer and that will pay off down the road. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gussy
...Take a VW. Gussie it up and you have a porch. Gussied up toada = lexi Gussied up nissan = Gussied up Shovey = fattylac Gussied up frod = linkun.. I remember that last year you posted, likely in a weak moment, that you had no knowledge of any car built after 1986 and in fact had never even sat in one. I can see that hasn't changed. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
