Re: [MBZ] Another piece of good news

2012-12-26 Thread Fmiser
 Curt Raymond wrote:

 Again as with yesterday the car fired right up, its maybe 25F,
 and idled fine with merely a small worrying tick somewhere in
 the valve train.  **snip**
 The worrying tick goes away at low speeds
 but comes back above about 2500rpm but other than that the car
 seems to have proper power and if anything the throttle
 responds a little better than it did before. Is it possible
 that massively overheating didn't hurt much of anything?

Yup.  Those iron block, iron head engines are tough.  Watch for
water in the oil, oil in the water, white foam in the oil
breather.  But you might be fine.

 So my plan tomorrow is to go buy two more gallons of Mobil 1
 15w50 (which is what I was running anyway) and change the oil.
 If the worrying tick remains I'll add Lucas oil additive
 (which is just viscosity improver) until the noise goes away. 

 Years ago my cousin let his sister drive his Ford LTD (the
 horrible little one) while he was away at college, she never
 added oil and the engine ticked like crazy. He changed the oil
 and put in 2 quarts of STP until it quit making noise and
 drove it for years like that...

Err, not applicable.  The Ford would have had hydraulic
lifters.  The OM616 does not.  Valve ticking on an engine with
hydraulic lifters can indicate the self-adjusting mechanism
isn't doing it's job and thicker oil can help that problem.
With solid lifters like your 240 has, it can't do the same
thing.  Like Mitch said, maybe it's time to check valve lash.
Yeah, I know - fun job in the snow.  It's supposed to be done
with a cold, cold engine - but if it were me, I'd probably run
the block heater to warm the engine and help alleviate cold
fingers.  Just set the lash a bit tighter.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

2012-12-26 Thread Fmiser
 Curt Raymond wrote:

 If I had scored pistons wouldn't the engine start harder
 because of lowered compression?

I would guess that with Mobil 1 the oil probably survived fine.
And so a low probability of scored pistons.  But that's just a
guess. *smiles*

 If anything it starts EASIER now.

Sweet!  New style of Italian Tuneup!  

 Car-part does have some $600-$700 engines, I was considering a
 newer, higher performance engine, didn't they change in '83 to
 have more power?

'81, I think.

 I could at least get one with new type pencil plugs. I've got
 pencil plugs in this one but I'm not sure the retrofit type
 are as good as an engine designed for pencil plugs.

My odd-ball '81 that seems to be a mix of the old and new came
with parallel glow plugs.  My retrofit in the '78 seem to do
just as well as the later ones.  But the I think the cam and
injection pump changed to create more power.

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

2012-12-26 Thread Fmiser
  Curt wrote:
  
  If I had scored pistons wouldn't the engine start harder
  because of lowered compression?

 Brian Toscano wrote:

 with lower compression it would spin over faster!

But the faster spinning wouldn't help - because it's the heat of
the air compressing that causes the fuel to burn.  Faster
spinning only helps if the compression stays the same.

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Re: [MBZ] OT ipad email

2012-12-26 Thread Fmiser
  Rich Thomas wrote:
 
  It is kinda funny, using the gmail smtp server
  for outbound mail on one account makes it show up as my
  gmail account even though I am sending it from another
  account/email addy.

 Craig wrote:
 
 So the gmail email server accepts relays? Hm ...

Not really.  It requires authentication.

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Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area

2012-12-26 Thread Dan Penoff
The guy that did my 1979 300TD did lead.  He was a third generation German 
coach builder (his great-grandfather built and repaired carriages and coaches) 
who was an absolute artist.

No lead on the 300TD, as we used all new metal, but I got to watch him do some 
on another car one day when I was visiting.

Sadly, he's gone as is his shop.  He had an apprentice but I don't know where 
he went after the shop closed.

Dan


On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:26 AM, clay monroe wrote:

 Our old cars really should have old school lead floated instead of bondo.   
 It is an art to do, but probably well worth the effort.
 
 clay
 
 On Dec 24, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Frederick Moir wrote:
 
 What Dan says.
 Also, Bondo is not waterproof and will allow the underlying metal to rust. I 
 use All Metal instead of Bondo-like stuff.
 My $0.02 worth
 
 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
 Diesel preferred.
 
 
 
 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area
 
 Very true.  A competent professional will use very little, if any, bondo or 
 filler.  In most cases they use it to simply clean up a line, not to build 
 up a damaged area.  If they are replacing metal, there should be no bondo 
 on the new metal.
 
 I had the jack points rebuilt on my former 1979 300TD, and I saw the areas 
 where they cut to old metal away and relaxed it with new.,  It's an area 
 with a lot of layers and complex angles - it's easy to make the outside 
 look nice, but critical to get the inside parts done correctly while they 
 are in there doing the work.
 
 Dan
 
 On Dec 24, 2012, at 8:56 AM, r...@rhonald.me wrote:
 
 Dan, I will find out this week.  I was told by someone that using Bondo
 was not correct.
 
 R
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area

2012-12-26 Thread dseretakis
If you can access both sides of the panel then lead is nice. Downsides are that 
the heat burns away the protective coating on back side of panel. Also, flux 
can sometimes seep out of the lead and mar the paint job.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:26 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 Our old cars really should have old school lead floated instead of bondo.   
 It is an art to do, but probably well worth the effort.
 
 clay
 
 On Dec 24, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Frederick Moir wrote:
 
 What Dan says.
 Also, Bondo is not waterproof and will allow the underlying metal to rust. I 
 use All Metal instead of Bondo-like stuff.
 My $0.02 worth
 
 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
 Diesel preferred.
 
 
 
 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area
 
 Very true.  A competent professional will use very little, if any, bondo or 
 filler.  In most cases they use it to simply clean up a line, not to build 
 up a damaged area.  If they are replacing metal, there should be no bondo 
 on the new metal.
 
 I had the jack points rebuilt on my former 1979 300TD, and I saw the areas 
 where they cut to old metal away and relaxed it with new.,  It's an area 
 with a lot of layers and complex angles - it's easy to make the outside 
 look nice, but critical to get the inside parts done correctly while they 
 are in there doing the work.
 
 Dan
 
 On Dec 24, 2012, at 8:56 AM, r...@rhonald.me wrote:
 
 Dan, I will find out this week.  I was told by someone that using Bondo
 was not correct.
 
 R
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Re: [MBZ] OT ipad email

2012-12-26 Thread Tim C
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

  Craig wrote:
 
  So the gmail email server accepts relays? Hm ...

 Not really.  It requires authentication.


And if you use a non-default From: address it sends on behalf of logged
in email in the header.  That's why I have two accounts instead of just
one.  I think they may now allow any send from address but originally
that was not working for me.

Rich is maybe using the wrong settings for authentication, or else is
trying to send from an alternative address but his mail server is
overriding from?

Best,
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Re: [MBZ] nice 240d?

2012-12-26 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Wonder why he provided no details regarding transmission mileage AC rust, etc.

On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 #1 daughter had a burgundy SL
 I had a Burgundy 300SDL
 and a 123 Burgundy 300D
 all at the same time.  I wanted to get a picture of three burgundy cars, but
 never was able to get all three in the same place for a picture.

 All three in burgundy look nice.  107, 123 and 126lang



 My midnight blue on blue tex interior 240d was my favorite.  I think that
 dark metallic Cadillac green with a tan interior on a 123 coupe rolling on
 BBS wheels would be stunning.

 Mike
 On Dec 23, 2012 9:08 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

  In Savannah


  looks pretty good



 http://savannah.craigslist.**org/cto/3435451891.htmlhttp://savannah.craigslist.org/cto/3435451891.html

  no connection, but i'm down here if someone has to have it

  thanks,

  xx rick
  Rick Hawkins



  Nice color too.  IMHO, second only to Midnight blue.

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Re: [MBZ] hardware testing

2012-12-26 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
This computer has a hardware diagnostic tool that you can access 
at startup.  Ran that, it tests memory, HDD, CMOS, system board 
etc. It passed every test except the SMART extended test on the 
HD.  It past the short SMART test but not the extended, it also 
passed the surface scans.  Hard drive going bad?  Could this cause 
computer to just shut off at random? When I say shut off I mean 
like the power was pulled, no blue screen or aything, just blip 
its gone.  I  have not tested the system temp yet

On 12/24/2012 4:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Yes, thats what I am running, and it always shuts off before it 
finished.  May swap ram and see what happens.

On 12/24/2012 4:22 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Does anybody know of a program (prefer free) that will test 
all the hardware in a PC?  Memory, MB etc? I got a laptop that 
will randomly shut off with no warning.  Not sure if its a 
memory problem, getting too hot or something else.



memtest will test memory

the mfgr may have a diagnostic or at least a temp monitor 
available.


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[MBZ] Christmas image (mercedes content)

2012-12-26 Thread Rick Hawkins Java

Folks,

My daughter and i were returning to Tybee Island from some last minute  
shopping in Savannah. It was too late to be out Christmas Eve. She  
caught this shot with her iPhone and fortunately we didn't hit these  
critters!.


Merry Christmas to all

Thanks for the help and camaraderie of all of you, all year long.

xx rick

I hope the photo goes to the list in a timely manner.







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Re: [MBZ] hardware testing

2012-12-26 Thread Brian Toscano
i have seen plenty of hard drives fail SMART tests but work completely
fine.  sometimes it is just a matter of what testing they support.  i have
not seen a bad hard drive make the computer shut off.  i would be looking
at failed/failing components such as motherboard and daughter cards
including the connections between them that may support charging, etc.

since you have 2 of these you could try replacing parts from one to the
other, but the risk is that you'll end up damaging the good one.
 personally i would just junk the one that doesn't work unless you have a
support contract.



On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 This computer has a hardware diagnostic tool that you can access at
 startup.  Ran that, it tests memory, HDD, CMOS, system board etc. It passed
 every test except the SMART extended test on the HD.  It past the short
 SMART test but not the extended, it also passed the surface scans.  Hard
 drive going bad?  Could this cause computer to just shut off at random?
 When I say shut off I mean like the power was pulled, no blue screen or
 aything, just blip its gone.  I  have not tested the system temp yet
 On 12/24/2012 4:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

 Yes, thats what I am running, and it always shuts off before it finished.
  May swap ram and see what happens.
 On 12/24/2012 4:22 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

 Does anybody know of a program (prefer free) that will test all the
 hardware in a PC?  Memory, MB etc? I got a laptop that will randomly shut
 off with no warning.  Not sure if its a memory problem, getting too hot or
 something else.



 memtest will test memory

 the mfgr may have a diagnostic or at least a temp monitor available.

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Re: [MBZ] hardware testing

2012-12-26 Thread Tim C
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote:

 since you have 2 of these you could try replacing parts from one to the
 other, but the risk is that you'll end up damaging the good one.
  personally i would just junk the one that doesn't work unless you have a
 support contract.


Agree with Brian,  unless you just want to play with it don't waste your
time.

It sounds like an onboard power, MB, heat or fan issue, honestly; not
something you'll be able to replace easily.  Long SMART test, and for that
matter memtest, probably takes enough time that whatever-it-is heats up and
either stops connecting or overheats.  I have had similar issues with Dells
that were cured (for a few months) by dust cleaning, but since you've tried
that...

Best,
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

2012-12-26 Thread Michael Canfield
Ok here.   If you had scored the cylinder walls bad enough to lower the
compression then you would have a harder starting,  oil burning engine. Do
you smell any oil in the exhaust?   A blue tint to the exhaust maybe? If
not, then you are probably ok.
  I would adjust the valve lash and change out the oil and run it.

Mike
On Dec 26, 2012 3:18 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

   Curt wrote:
  
   If I had scored pistons wouldn't the engine start harder
   because of lowered compression?

  Brian Toscano wrote:

  with lower compression it would spin over faster!

 But the faster spinning wouldn't help - because it's the heat of
 the air compressing that causes the fuel to burn.  Faster
 spinning only helps if the compression stays the same.

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Re: [MBZ] hardware testing

2012-12-26 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
If all the dust is cleaned out and the air flow is good, what 
would cause it to run too hot if that turns out to be the issue?  
Its bone stock, not overclocked or anything like that.


On 12/26/2012 9:51 AM, Tim C wrote:

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote:


since you have 2 of these you could try replacing parts from one to the
other, but the risk is that you'll end up damaging the good one.
  personally i would just junk the one that doesn't work unless you have a
support contract.


Agree with Brian,  unless you just want to play with it don't waste your
time.

It sounds like an onboard power, MB, heat or fan issue, honestly; not
something you'll be able to replace easily.  Long SMART test, and for that
matter memtest, probably takes enough time that whatever-it-is heats up and
either stops connecting or overheats.  I have had similar issues with Dells
that were cured (for a few months) by dust cleaning, but since you've tried
that...

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] hardware testing

2012-12-26 Thread Brian Toscano
The last lenovo I needed serviced got a new motherboard and power button.
 For whatever reason, the power button had failed.  I'm not even sure it
needed a motherboard.  The guy who had it complained his laptop would shut
off and got hot.  Oddly the fan was not what I would consider dusty, but it
was blown out.  Is the fan cooling unit properly attached to the CPU?
 Since the new motherboard/power button was installed there have been no
problems.


On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 If all the dust is cleaned out and the air flow is good, what would cause
 it to run too hot if that turns out to be the issue?  Its bone stock, not
 overclocked or anything like that.


 On 12/26/2012 9:51 AM, Tim C wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com
 **wrote:

  since you have 2 of these you could try replacing parts from one to the
 other, but the risk is that you'll end up damaging the good one.
   personally i would just junk the one that doesn't work unless you have
 a
 support contract.

  Agree with Brian,  unless you just want to play with it don't waste your
 time.

 It sounds like an onboard power, MB, heat or fan issue, honestly; not
 something you'll be able to replace easily.  Long SMART test, and for that
 matter memtest, probably takes enough time that whatever-it-is heats up
 and
 either stops connecting or overheats.  I have had similar issues with
 Dells
 that were cured (for a few months) by dust cleaning, but since you've
 tried
 that...

 Best,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] hardware testing

2012-12-26 Thread Brian Toscano
Since the person that had that problem left the company, and I re-imaged
his computer, I'm not sure if the problem he reported was hardware or the
software he had on it (or both).


On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote:

 The last lenovo I needed serviced got a new motherboard and power button.
  For whatever reason, the power button had failed.  I'm not even sure it
 needed a motherboard.  The guy who had it complained his laptop would shut
 off and got hot.  Oddly the fan was not what I would consider dusty, but it
 was blown out.  Is the fan cooling unit properly attached to the CPU?
  Since the new motherboard/power button was installed there have been no
 problems.


 On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 If all the dust is cleaned out and the air flow is good, what would cause
 it to run too hot if that turns out to be the issue?  Its bone stock, not
 overclocked or anything like that.


 On 12/26/2012 9:51 AM, Tim C wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com
 **wrote:

  since you have 2 of these you could try replacing parts from one to the
 other, but the risk is that you'll end up damaging the good one.
   personally i would just junk the one that doesn't work unless you
 have a
 support contract.

  Agree with Brian,  unless you just want to play with it don't waste
 your
 time.

 It sounds like an onboard power, MB, heat or fan issue, honestly; not
 something you'll be able to replace easily.  Long SMART test, and for
 that
 matter memtest, probably takes enough time that whatever-it-is heats up
 and
 either stops connecting or overheats.  I have had similar issues with
 Dells
 that were cured (for a few months) by dust cleaning, but since you've
 tried
 that...

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Re: [MBZ] hardware testing

2012-12-26 Thread Peter Frederick
Cracked solder under the  ball grid array processor.  Common problem  
with laptops.  Heats up, connections open, computer quits.  Usually  
accompanied by bizzare screen displays, but not always.


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Re: [MBZ] hardware testing

2012-12-26 Thread Tim C
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 If all the dust is cleaned out and the air flow is good, what would cause
 it to run too hot if that turns out to be the issue?  Its bone stock, not
 overclocked or anything like that.


1) Bad connection between heat sink and processor/GPU/etc.
2) Fan
3) Fan controller
4) Motherboard
5) Power supply for fan
6) Power supply in general
7) Cat hair
8) Roaches

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Re: [MBZ] OT ipad email

2012-12-26 Thread OK Don
I use seperate browsers for different gmail accounts - makes it easy to
access and sort content.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

   Craig wrote:
  
   So the gmail email server accepts relays? Hm ...
 
  Not really.  It requires authentication.
 

 And if you use a non-default From: address it sends on behalf of logged
 in email in the header.  That's why I have two accounts instead of just
 one.  I think they may now allow any send from address but originally
 that was not working for me.

 Rich is maybe using the wrong settings for authentication, or else is
 trying to send from an alternative address but his mail server is
 overriding from?

 Best,
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Re: [MBZ] OT ipad email

2012-12-26 Thread Tim C
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:09 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 I use seperate browsers for different gmail accounts - makes it easy to
 access and sort content.


Now you can log in to multiple accounts on a single browser, at least for
Gmail - click your username in the top right.

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Re: [MBZ] hardware testing

2012-12-26 Thread OK Don
1) Bad connection between heat sink and processor/GPU/etc.
 2) Fan
 3) Fan controller
 4) Motherboard
 5) Power supply for fan
 6) Power supply in general
 7) Cat hair
 8) Roaches

*9) Gremlins*





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Re: [MBZ] OT ipad email

2012-12-26 Thread OK Don
Yup - but I jsut set Gmail as one of the home tabs in a browser, and set
it to stay logged on - open the browser, and there it is - open another
browser, there's the other account's mail. Lazy, but it works.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:09 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

  I use seperate browsers for different gmail accounts - makes it easy to
  access and sort content.


 Now you can log in to multiple accounts on a single browser, at least for
 Gmail - click your username in the top right.

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Re: [MBZ] OT ipad email

2012-12-26 Thread dave walton
It's not as secure, but you can have each browser remember the login for a
given account so you don't have to login to each every time. I have over 16
different browsers (all free) in one tab that I use for testing web apps.
Each could go directly to the inbox of its own mail account.

On Wednesday, December 26, 2012, Tim C wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:09 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com javascript:;
 wrote:

  I use seperate browsers for different gmail accounts - makes it easy to
  access and sort content.


 Now you can log in to multiple accounts on a single browser, at least for
 Gmail - click your username in the top right.

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

2012-12-26 Thread Craig
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 02:13:42 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

  Curt Raymond wrote:

  Car-part does have some $600-$700 engines, I was considering a
  newer, higher performance engine, didn't they change in '83 to
  have more power?
 
 '81, I think.

IIRC, it was late '81. Our '82 came from the factory with pencil plugs
and I'm fairly certain has the higher power engine.


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Re: [MBZ] Most valuable

2012-12-26 Thread Mountain Man
Someone needs this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh6z5BW_meE
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area

2012-12-26 Thread r
Thanks guys, I will find out more on Friday. This time I will take
better photos; I did not get an overall shot from underneath.

R

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC
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From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, December 26, 2012 8:02 am
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

If you can access both sides of the panel then lead is nice. Downsides
are that the heat burns away the protective coating on back side of
panel. Also, flux can sometimes seep out of the lead and mar the paint
job.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:26 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 Our old cars really should have old school lead floated instead of bondo. It 
 is an art to do, but probably well worth the effort.

 clay

 On Dec 24, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Frederick Moir wrote:

 What Dan says.
 Also, Bondo is not waterproof and will allow the underlying metal to rust. I 
 use All Metal instead of Bondo-like stuff.
 My $0.02 worth

 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
 Diesel preferred.


 
 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area

 Very true. A competent professional will use very little, if any, bondo or 
 filler. In most cases they use it to simply clean up a line, not to build 
 up a damaged area. If they are replacing metal, there should be no bondo on 
 the new metal.

 I had the jack points rebuilt on my former 1979 300TD, and I saw the areas 
 where they cut to old metal away and relaxed it with new., It's an area 
 with a lot of layers and complex angles - it's easy to make the outside 
 look nice, but critical to get the inside parts done correctly while they 
 are in there doing the work.

 Dan

 On Dec 24, 2012, at 8:56 AM, r...@rhonald.me wrote:

 Dan, I will find out this week. I was told by someone that using Bondo
 was not correct.

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Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area

2012-12-26 Thread r
Wow Dan, that is cool.  I would love to watch the process.  Any links to
some before and after visuals I wonder...

R

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC
Area
From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
Date: Wed, December 26, 2012 7:56 am
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

The guy that did my 1979 300TD did lead. He was a third generation
German coach builder (his great-grandfather built and repaired carriages
and coaches) who was an absolute artist.

No lead on the 300TD, as we used all new metal, but I got to watch him
do some on another car one day when I was visiting.

Sadly, he's gone as is his shop. He had an apprentice but I don't know
where he went after the shop closed.

Dan


On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:26 AM, clay monroe wrote:

 Our old cars really should have old school lead floated instead of bondo. It 
 is an art to do, but probably well worth the effort.

 clay

 On Dec 24, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Frederick Moir wrote:

 What Dan says.
 Also, Bondo is not waterproof and will allow the underlying metal to rust. I 
 use All Metal instead of Bondo-like stuff.
 My $0.02 worth

 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
 Diesel preferred.


 
 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area

 Very true. A competent professional will use very little, if any, bondo or 
 filler. In most cases they use it to simply clean up a line, not to build 
 up a damaged area. If they are replacing metal, there should be no bondo on 
 the new metal.

 I had the jack points rebuilt on my former 1979 300TD, and I saw the areas 
 where they cut to old metal away and relaxed it with new., It's an area 
 with a lot of layers and complex angles - it's easy to make the outside 
 look nice, but critical to get the inside parts done correctly while they 
 are in there doing the work.

 Dan

 On Dec 24, 2012, at 8:56 AM, r...@rhonald.me wrote:

 Dan, I will find out this week. I was told by someone that using Bondo
 was not correct.

 R


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Re: [MBZ] Most valuable

2012-12-26 Thread Rich Thomas
I was

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 26, 2012, at 4:26 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Someone needs this.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh6z5BW_meE
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] Most valuable

2012-12-26 Thread Rich Thomas
Oops.  I was going to send that out the other day after my son sent it to me.  
Very cool though I could see a few improvements.

--R (who got this mini pad working)

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:04 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net 
wrote:

 I was
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Dec 26, 2012, at 4:26 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Someone needs this.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh6z5BW_meE
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT ipad email

2012-12-26 Thread Rich Thomas
I had to redo some outgoing server names for some reasons unclear and now it is 
all hunky dory and bob's my uncle.

Sent from my mini Pad

On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:56 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 make sure you have the outgoing server data input correctly.  I have had no 
 issue with my ipad with POP or IMAP.
 
 clay
 
 On Dec 25, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
 
 I am trying to send email from an ipad, it says email address (this one) 
 rejected by server, which I guess is the okie server.   I managed to set it 
 up to get mail OK.  What do I need to do to send?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Most valuable

2012-12-26 Thread Rich Thomas
My son sent me that the other day and I was gonna pass it along but I forgot to 
do so.  Very cool.

--R

Sent from my iPad

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 Someone needs this.
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Re: [MBZ] Most valuable

2012-12-26 Thread Rich Thomas
My son sent me that the other day and I was gonna pass it along but I forgot to 
do so.  Very cool.

--R

Sent from my iPad

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Re: [MBZ] hardware testing

2012-12-26 Thread Benz Hogs
Download Ultimate Boot CD and use the vendor specific hard drive long 
test.  If it passes, sounds like you might have an issue on the MoBo.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi)

On 12/26/2012 9:29 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

This computer has a hardware diagnostic tool that you can access at
startup.  Ran that, it tests memory, HDD, CMOS, system board etc. It
passed every test except the SMART extended test on the HD.  It past the
short SMART test but not the extended, it also passed the surface
scans.  Hard drive going bad?  Could this cause computer to just shut
off at random? When I say shut off I mean like the power was pulled, no
blue screen or aything, just blip its gone.  I  have not tested the
system temp yet
On 12/24/2012 4:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Yes, thats what I am running, and it always shuts off before it
finished.  May swap ram and see what happens.
On 12/24/2012 4:22 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

Does anybody know of a program (prefer free) that will test all the
hardware in a PC?  Memory, MB etc? I got a laptop that will randomly
shut off with no warning.  Not sure if its a memory problem, getting
too hot or something else.



memtest will test memory

the mfgr may have a diagnostic or at


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Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area

2012-12-26 Thread Craig
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:57:45 -0800 (PST) Frederick Moir
fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote:

 What Dan says.
 Also, Bondo is not waterproof and will allow the underlying metal to
 rust. I use All Metal instead of Bondo-like stuff. My $0.02 worth

As in you carefully fit in new, all metal pieces to repair rust damage,
or as in the brand name of a product you buy?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Christmas image (mercedes content)

2012-12-26 Thread Craig
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 02:13:39 -0500 Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com
wrote:

 I hope the photo goes to the list in a timely manner.

Rick,

There was no photo link. Did you attach one to your email before you sent
it?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area

2012-12-26 Thread Frederick Moir
http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/usc-all-metal-premium-aluminum-filled-auto-body-filler-p-14787.aspx

 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.



 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area
 
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:57:45 -0800 (PST) Frederick Moir
fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote:

 What Dan says.
 Also, Bondo is not waterproof and will allow the underlying metal to
 rust. I use All Metal instead of Bondo-like stuff. My $0.02 worth

As in you carefully fit in new, all metal pieces to repair rust damage,
or as in the brand name of a product you buy?
Craig

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[MBZ] Olympia portable typewriter

2012-12-26 Thread Rick Hawkins Java

Folks,

Our 18 year old daughter who drived a 1984 300D turbo (mercedes  
content)  oddly asked for a typewriter for Christmas. I had a number  
of them and accidently gave her a Remington portable that has a french  
keyboard layout. It works fairly well but is pretty useless with the  
AZERTY key layout for most of us. So, it's up on ebay.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200870328999ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123

I also snagged her this beautiful Olympia (SM-9 model i think, perhaps  
also called Monica) on ebay before Christmas, but it didn't arrive  
until boxing day, today.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Olympia-International-Manual-Typewriter-with-Case-/221166298904?_trksid=p2047675.l2557ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:ITnma=truesi=L9t6IOSwhvhV%2BGGCc5x9CqwtGDY%3Dorig_cvip=truert=nc

The made in Western Germany Olympia is probably from about 1969 and  
REALLY performs perfectly, but she hates it! It has a cursive script  
font.


I did some cleaning and lubrication on it and everything works.

 I guess it'll go back on ebay for about $100 or perhaps even more.  
If they work well, nice typewriters seem to command pretty high  
prices, now, on ebay.


I guess i'm in the market for another Olympia with a more conventional  
type font.


She is happily typing away on it now. I wonder how long it will remain  
interesting to her.


Happy Boxing day, y'all!

thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] Olympia portable typewriter

2012-12-26 Thread Rich Thomas

Does it have a USB connector?

--R

On 12/26/2012 8:49 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:

Folks,



I also snagged her this beautiful Olympia (SM-9 model i think, perhaps 
also called Monica) on ebay before Christmas, but it didn't arrive 
until boxing day, today.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Olympia-International-Manual-Typewriter-with-Case-/221166298904?_trksid=p2047675.l2557ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:ITnma=truesi=L9t6IOSwhvhV%2BGGCc5x9CqwtGDY%3Dorig_cvip=truert=nc 



T
Happy Boxing day, y'all!

thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins



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Re: [MBZ] hardware testing

2012-12-26 Thread Scott Ritchey
Sounds like an intermittent problem in the motherboard.  You might try a fan
blowing right on the MB to see if that prevents the problem.  Of so, it's
something thermal and you'll probably play hell finding it.  I had similar
symptoms with two PCs that were fixed by new motherboards from online
surplus places.

On the other hand, maybe you'll be lucky and spot a fractured solder joint
that opens when hot.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C.
Striplin
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 10:30 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] hardware testing

This computer has a hardware diagnostic tool that you can access 
at startup.  Ran that, it tests memory, HDD, CMOS, system board 
etc. It passed every test except the SMART extended test on the 
HD.  It past the short SMART test but not the extended, it also 
passed the surface scans.  Hard drive going bad?  Could this cause 
computer to just shut off at random? When I say shut off I mean 
like the power was pulled, no blue screen or aything, just blip 
its gone.  I  have not tested the system temp yet
On 12/24/2012 4:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 Yes, thats what I am running, and it always shuts off before it 
 finished.  May swap ram and see what happens.
 On 12/24/2012 4:22 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
 Does anybody know of a program (prefer free) that will test 
 all the hardware in a PC?  Memory, MB etc? I got a laptop that 
 will randomly shut off with no warning.  Not sure if its a 
 memory problem, getting too hot or something else.


 memtest will test memory

 the mfgr may have a diagnostic or at least a temp monitor 
 available.

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[MBZ] Early Grumman aircraft

2012-12-26 Thread RELNGSON
 
 http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3t=13327;
sid=4d1befb1873f7c69bb41dbffe8993852

More pictures on following pages accessed at lower right.

RLE
  
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