Re: [MBZ] One for Wilton

[clay]

Watching this I got the thought "North Korea, here we come", but then figured 
that with sequestration, the ability to train for that is gone until we get 
better leadership.

clay

On Apr 19, 2013, at 11:45 PM, clay wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ7niLYSVFo
> 
> clay 
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> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: OT: Shoe Goo

[Jim Cathey]

My recent research revealed Shoe Goo does _not_ recommend
denatured alcohol for cleaning.  No, I don't know why.  So I
have been using their suggestion to use acetone.


Good to know.  I even have the stuff, but I'd have had to
go outside to get it.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Towing question???

[Jim Cathey]

I wonder if you can tow it for 30 miles at 75 mph.


Wear due to lack of lubrication is probably not linear.

Of course you can!  Might not have a working transmission when you are 
done.


Yeah, that's what I'd think.

-- Jim



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[MBZ] One for Wilton

[clay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ7niLYSVFo

clay 


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[MBZ] M1 rebate

[Dieselhead]

In FLAPS today, saw coupons for M1 and for Mobil Dino oel.  Good 
until May 31.   So if ya need some oel, ya might benefit from a 
coupon.  Catch on the M1 was that you have to buy a m1 oel filter, 
which is NA for MB Diesels of the classic variety.   I'm not too hep 
on even putting one on the ol dogde, if one is even available.  But 
if you have a newish hunk a Deetriot iron, or a toyhonsunru, they may 
have a filter fer ya.   I'd rather have a wix for non MB stuff.  Wix 
for MBs are just as bogus as any other that is not made in Germany.


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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Solar Tree for charging EVs

[OK Don]

There are 10 types of people, those who understand binary and those who do
not.


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Some people don't understand satire and some never will.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On 4/18/2013 10:02 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
>>
>>> No Problem!  Just get  the o'bummer to sign an executed order, and poof,
>>> Ohm's law is gone, just like the constitution and every right we had.
>>> No Problemo!
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Nightjar - was: Down in Flames!

[Frederick Moir]

Philip, et al.
Would you buy, Thunder Jug?
Down bucket !!


 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: Fmiser 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Nightjar - was: Down in Flames!
> 
>
>> Frederick Moir wrote:
>
>> I thought a Nightjar was a kind of black bird.
>
>It's a general name for the family of night hawks.
>Whip-poorwill, chuck-wills-widow, nighthawk, goatsucker are all
>nightjars.
>
>But I don't think that's what Jim was talking about
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Nightjar - was: Down in Flames!

[Fmiser]

> Frederick Moir wrote:

> I thought a Nightjar was a kind of black bird.

It's a general name for the family of night hawks.
Whip-poorwill, chuck-wills-widow, nighthawk, goatsucker are all
nightjars.

But I don't think that's what Jim was talking about

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Dieselhead]

Such things are easily engineered, with enough at stake.  There
were a lot of good Germans in the 30's, too.  Manufacture a few
scares, enthrone some thugs, divide, confiscate, conquer.  It's
been done, and more than once.  Our government is supposed to
work for _us_!  As their boss, they're _supposed_ to be a little
bit afraid of us.  Keeps 'em honest.

-- Jim



Keeping  the scoundrels scared is better!

Davy Crockett for President!

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Dieselhead]

Amnd 1 is all about protecting your intellectual freedom, and
ability to discuss governmental changes.  Amnd 2 is all about
protecting your physical freedom, and your ability to defend
yourself against criminals --- _including_ against a criminal
government, whether foreign or domestic.  All as intended by
those smart guys who spent quite a bit of time thinking about
this stuff, and had plenty of training in the history of good
(and ill) intentions vs reality.  Most of those suggesting
'modern' changes to these aren't intellectually qualified to
even empty the night jars of our founders.

-- Jim


Hear Hear!  Well said!   And humorous too!

Very much in line with the "first principles" article I linked to

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Dieselhead]

Dan is exactly right.  You must have a national registry before you can
control guns.  Concerns: (1) What are the odds it will be error free?
Suppose someone fat fingers your serial number or the spelling of your name?
If there are meaningful penalties, you go to jail. (2) How do you enforce
this without unreasonable search and seizure?  (3) This is exactly how the
civilian gun elimination programs began in relatively benign places like
England and Australia as well as less benign ones like Hitler's Germany and
Stalin's Russia.

Everyone knows that such gun controls cannot achieve the stated purpose
(prevent crime).  So advocates are either stupid or lying, because they have
a different goal: power shift from the people to the government.

Now, we have a government that can't balance a budget and usually can't even
enact a budget into law (one of their few mandatory constitutional duties).
And that's just for starters.  We have "leaders" who value their theories
and prejudices above the law and the Constitution.  So how much power do we
really want to trust to them?


Hear Hear!  Well Said!

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Re: [MBZ] I am looking for 1998 or 1999 OM606

[Dieselhead]

Hi folks,
I need your help in locating a low mileage turbocharged OM606.

Please send clear pictures along with price, year and mileage.

Thank you all.


GO to Car-part.com and do a search.  I found 25 there in a second.

124K miles for $2150 seems a reasonable value of those listed with 
prices.May be a better deal if you call the ones that don't list 
prices.


Are you sure you need an engine?

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Re: [MBZ] Towing question???

[Dieselhead]

Andrew sez:

I wonder if you can tow it for 30 miles at 75 mph.


Of course you can!  Might not have a working transmission when you are done.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Dieselhead]

Well, which of the original ten amendments to the constitution give 
you a "right" to drive a car?  Driving is a privilege, and should be 
licensed.


A better analogy would use the first amendment.  All journalists, 
reporters, editors, actors, directors, musicians, broadcasters etc. 
who produce any written works, music, video, or live performances, 
must be licensed and regulated by the state, and registered in the 
federal database. 

Any "free speech" must comply with current federal, state, and local 
law.  Slander is illegal, as is yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. 
Threatening any government official is also not allowed.


Only those properly permitted and current on their "free speech" 
fees may communicate with their elected representatives.  Violations 
may result in loss of "free speech", fines, and imprisonment.  Want 
to post to your blog?  Need a permit for that.  Put a sign up on 
your property?  Show us your license for that.  Purchase a computer 
or get a smartphone?  Need to be registered, get a background check, 
pay a fee, pass a test to make sure you know the law...


So, you still have "free speech", right?  No infringement there?
--
Max Dillon
Not a constitutional scholar


Hear Hear!

Well said!  And humorous too!

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Mitch Haley]

Scott Ritchey wrote:


Not so.  The only records are kept locally by the individual gun dealer.


1. When he goes out of business, he has to turn the 4473s and bound book over to 
ATF.
2. ATF has been known to scan all the 4473s and/or bound book when doing a 
'random compliance check'.
3. For several years, ATF has been strongly encouraging FFL holders to keep an 
electronic "bound book" so instead of looking at the book they can just copy his 
database to a thumb drive.


>  By law, the NICBC data must be destroyed shortly after the check.

You don't think they actually do that, do you?

Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Dieselhead]

<< Please don't rewrite history.  I was suitably cautious IIRC...>>

Let's go to the videotape:

Here are excerpts from your first FOUR posts on this topic:

<< Because Obama is going to take away their guns.
On Apr 15, 2013 5:42 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:


 Why would anyone want to injure a bunch of people watching the marathon?>>


<< Let's wait and see.  Anyone want to take bets on who perpetrated this
atrocity?>>

<< My bad.  I guess the bombings must have been a legitimate exercies of
second amendment rights on Patriot Day.>>

<< Theoretically speaking, what about red-blodded USA-born-and-bred gun nuts
who obtained their weaponry (including explosives) lawfully and are
motivated by hatred of the Feds and/or Obama?>>

Apparently you do NOT RC!

Perhaps these comments were simply reflexive denial of the worldview of your
political opponents, and not your actual rational thoughts.  But the problem
is that you and your fellow travelers and the CIC and his minions are blind
to who the friends and enemies of the USA are!

To posit over and over again (incorrectly!) that members of the Tea Party or
protectors of the 2A or those who question our lack of enforcement of our
immigration laws are the danger is to overlook the real danger.

Greg


Hear Hear!

Well said!

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Dieselhead]

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First requirement to become a liberal is denial, which includes owning
guilt for acts which are caused by the liberal. The required liberal
rhetoric is always, it's "someones fault, not mine" ie. it's "bushes
fault". [as a now common example seen].


Most conveniently, liberals can then be "without guilt", since "it's not my
fault". The unfeeling and insensitive liberal has no apparent idea just how
insulting such actions are and blindly goes about his/her/it's way full of
"feel good" without ever taking responsibility for the truly bad things
they have done.

When call to task for having done something or broken a social taboo, the
response is always as we see above.. "I feel no guilt"... "it's not mine"
[enter self denial]

Own it Andrew "you built this" and those who think like you.

Grant... AZ


Hear Hear!

Well Said, as usual!

As I said before, Some of us care so much about some of some of these 
lost souls that  we attempt to educate them.


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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Solar Tree for charging EVs

[Dieselhead]

Some people don't understand satire and some never will.





On 4/18/2013 10:02 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

No Problem!  Just get  the o'bummer to sign an executed order, and poof,
Ohm's law is gone, just like the constitution and every right we had.
No Problemo!


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[MBZ] Bomber captured alive

[Gerry Archer]

02.52 (21.52) We're getting a bit more detail about how tonight went down: 
a man in Watertown decided to flaunt the police orders to stay indoor and 
walked out to his yard, where he noticed blood on his boat. He walked up 
to it and removed the tarp, to find a man covered in blood lying inside. 
He ran back and called the police.
Authorities surrounded the boat and exchanged gunfire for around an hour. 
Police tried to open negotiations but he was apparently not communicating. 
An FBI SWAT team eventually stormed the boat and took him alive. It sounds 
like the suspect is very seriously injured, potentially having gone nearly 
24 hours without his wounds being treated.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10002469/Boston-Marathon-bombs-live.html

 http://live.boston.com/Event/Live_blog_Explosion_in_Copley_Square 



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Shoe Goo

[Fmiser]

> > Luther wrote:
> >
> > Did you patch on the inside or outside? 

> Jim Cathey wrote:
> 
> Outside.  Looks not so good, but is likely to feel better.
> No clue how long it will last.  I scraped up the rubber, and
> used alcohol to clean.

My recent research revealed Shoe Goo does _not_ recommend
denatured alcohol for cleaning.  No, I don't know why.  So I
have been using their suggestion to use acetone. 

-- Philip

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[MBZ] OT Ammo

[Max Dillon]

We all know about the current ammo shortage, which has been exacerbated in no 
small part by federal agencies making massive purchases. But, I lucked out 
yesterday and was able to buy several cases of ammo.  On the way home, I 
stopped at a gas station where a drop dead gorgeous brunette was filling up her 
car on the other side of the pump.  She saw the ammo in the back seat of my car 
and said in a very sexy voice "I'm a big believer in barter, and wonder if you 
would be interested in trading sex for ammo.  I thought for a few seconds and 
asked "what kinda ammo ya got?"  She left. 
 
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Or the circular file..
On Apr 19, 2013 9:37 PM, "Rick Knoble"  wrote:

> On Apr 19, 2013, at 7:56 PM, "Jim Cathey"  wrote:
>
> > Most of those suggesting
> > 'modern' changes to these (The Bill of Rights) aren't intellectually
> qualified to
> > even empty the night jars of our founders.
>
>
> There's one for the quotes page.
>
> Rick
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Rick Knoble]

On Apr 19, 2013, at 7:56 PM, "Jim Cathey"  wrote:

> Most of those suggesting
> 'modern' changes to these (The Bill of Rights) aren't intellectually 
> qualified to
> even empty the night jars of our founders.


There's one for the quotes page. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Frederick Moir]

Jim, et al.
I thought a Nightjar was a kind of black bird.
Other wise, I agree with you. Freedom is perishable, use it or lose it.


 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: Jim Cathey 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!
> 
>
>Amnd 1 is all about protecting your intellectual freedom, and
>ability to discuss governmental changes.  Amnd 2 is all about
>protecting your physical freedom, and your ability to defend
>yourself against criminals --- _including_ against a criminal
>government, whether foreign or domestic.  All as intended by
>those smart guys who spent quite a bit of time thinking about
>this stuff, and had plenty of training in the history of good
>(and ill) intentions vs reality.  Most of those suggesting
>'modern' changes to these aren't intellectually qualified to
>even empty the night jars of our founders.
>
>-- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Jim Cathey]

Sure, the government knows you have them, but if you bought them 
legally, they already know you have them, correct?


Only the original purchaser.  Thereafter it goes private.


We would have to be in a martial law or serious domestic situation


Such things are easily engineered, with enough at stake.  There
were a lot of good Germans in the 30's, too.  Manufacture a few
scares, enthrone some thugs, divide, confiscate, conquer.  It's
been done, and more than once.  Our government is supposed to
work for _us_!  As their boss, they're _supposed_ to be a little
bit afraid of us.  Keeps 'em honest.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate

[Craig]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:37:26 -0400 Max Dillon 
wrote:

> Tell us about duco cement.

It's been around for many years.

It contains acetone and butyl acetate.

The front of the blister pack says:

   The world-famous household cement.
   - Dries fast, clear, and tough.
   - Not affected by heat or cold.
   - Works on china, glass, wood, metal, leather, paper, etc.



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Re: [MBZ] 4k 1000 FPS Camera

[Craig]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> 24p is the framerate, the original references 1000 FPS, 24p is 24FPS,
> the P is for progressive which is to say every frame is completely
> drawn unlike normal TV which is interlaced.
> 
> 4K is  3840×2160, compared to 1080 which is 1920x1080 or SD which is
> 720x486. Color is 12bit, most SD and much HD is 8bit, some is 10. 4K
> and its cousins 2K and 8K are considered "Ultra High Definition".

So who comes up with these definitions?


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Jim Cathey]

Amnd 1 is all about protecting your intellectual freedom, and
ability to discuss governmental changes.  Amnd 2 is all about
protecting your physical freedom, and your ability to defend
yourself against criminals --- _including_ against a criminal
government, whether foreign or domestic.  All as intended by
those smart guys who spent quite a bit of time thinking about
this stuff, and had plenty of training in the history of good
(and ill) intentions vs reality.  Most of those suggesting
'modern' changes to these aren't intellectually qualified to
even empty the night jars of our founders.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] I am looking for 1998 or 1999 OM606

[clay]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3740318341.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3754226172.html


On Apr 14, 2013, at 9:00 PM, kayoooh @ Gmail wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I need your help in locating a low mileage turbocharged OM606.
> 
> Please send clear pictures along with price, year and mileage.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Shoe Goo

[Jim Cathey]

Did you patch on the inside or outside?  My wife's year old boots are 
starting the same crappy cracking.  Makes wearing boots in the rain 
useless.


Outside.  Looks not so good, but is likely to feel better.
No clue how long it will last.  I scraped up the rubber, and
used alcohol to clean.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate

[Max Dillon]

Did you thread the needle, and effect the conservative goal of repair instead 
of replace via liberal use of glue? 

-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Jon Agne  wrote:

>I ended up using Permatex super glue gel.  Worked great.  We'll see how
>it holds up.
>
>
>On Apr 19, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Jon Agne wrote:
>
>> Whilst replacing my speedo cable today, I managed to pull off the
>front plastic faceplate with the 'Mercedes specila pulling tool' which
>I borrowed.  No cracks or breaks.
>> 
>> What type of glue would you use to replace it???
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> '85 300D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] $18 Rechrome?

[Jim Cathey]

I had tried something akin to this on tail light reflectors and it 
really had no impact


I had good luck with the tinfoil on the heap's backup lights.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate

[Jim Cathey]

What type of glue would you use to replace it???


That's a thermally extreme environment, do not use lame glues.
Personally I'd reach for either Shoe Goo, or preferably JB Weld if
that would work.  (Color, etc.)  Cyanacrylate glues don't tend to
hold up long-term.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Scott Ritchey]

<< if you bought them legally, they already know you have them, correct?>>

Not so.  The only records are kept locally by the individual gun dealer.  By
law, the NICBC data must be destroyed shortly after the check.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Penoff
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:48 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

I am trying to think this out logically, without any sort of political or
personal aspects.

I would agree.  Just like having a driver's license, for example, why would
establishing a database of guns be unconstitutional?  Sure, the government
knows you have them, but if you bought them legally, they already know you
have them, correct?

And yes, as with establishing any database of existing items, it will take
some time for everything to be collected/entered, and there will always be
some outside of the database.  It will take time, but with the full
cooperation of owners and manufacturers it's certainly a realistic approach.

I can see where some people might be concerned that the government might
attempt to use its powers to confiscate or somehow control gun ownership
using this data, but I fail to see this being a valid argument.  We would
have to be in a martial law or serious domestic situation for this to
happen, and even at that, it's likely the populace would rise up in
opposition if it was attempted.

Dan



On Apr 19, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:

> How is it unconstitutional?  Keeping a database of all guns doesn't
prevent a person from owning one.
> 
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (164,xxx mi)
> 
> On 4/18/2013 8:49 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
>> Except it is unconstitutional:
>> 
>> The second amendment
>> Text of the 2nd Amendment
>> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free 
>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be 
>> infringed.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Scott Ritchey]

Dan said: " It would seem (and I am just postulating here, not making
suggestions or taking a position) that the only real way to control guns
would be to have some sort of national registry.  I can't see where law
abiding, responsible gun owners would have a problem with that.

Isn't that the way it is in other countries, such as Canada and Australia?"

Dan is exactly right.  You must have a national registry before you can
control guns.  Concerns: (1) What are the odds it will be error free?
Suppose someone fat fingers your serial number or the spelling of your name?
If there are meaningful penalties, you go to jail. (2) How do you enforce
this without unreasonable search and seizure?  (3) This is exactly how the
civilian gun elimination programs began in relatively benign places like
England and Australia as well as less benign ones like Hitler's Germany and
Stalin's Russia.

Everyone knows that such gun controls cannot achieve the stated purpose
(prevent crime).  So advocates are either stupid or lying, because they have
a different goal: power shift from the people to the government.

Now, we have a government that can't balance a budget and usually can't even
enact a budget into law (one of their few mandatory constitutional duties).
And that's just for starters.  We have "leaders" who value their theories
and prejudices above the law and the Constitution.  So how much power do we
really want to trust to them?

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Penoff
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:28 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

I wondered how often that occurs, as some people I knew who were rabid gun
collectors/owners often seemed to pick up guns at shows, but not necessarily
from licensed dealer "in" the show.

I'm not criticizing, just making an observation.

It would seem (and I am just postulating here, not making suggestions or
taking a position) that the only real way to control guns would be to have
some sort of national registry.  I can't see where law abiding, responsible
gun owners would have a problem with that.

Isn't that the way it is in other countries, such as Canada and Australia?

Dan

On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

> On Apr 18, 2013 4:55 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:
>> .
>> 
>> I think the "loophole" is people that
>> bring a gun to the gun show they
>> intend to resell.
> 
> No, when people say "Close the gun show loophole!" what they're referring
> to is the fact that in most states private citizens can go to a gun show
> and buy/sell guns with other private individuals without a Brady check.
> 
> Here in Oregon the so-called loophole was "closed" about 10 years ago by
> legislation that requires all transactions under the roof of a gun show to
> go through an FFL.  Doesn't stop regular people from negotiating a deal
and
> then going out to the parking lot to consummate it, of course...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate

[Jon Agne]

I ended up using Permatex super glue gel.  Worked great.  We'll see how it 
holds up.


On Apr 19, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Jon Agne wrote:

> Whilst replacing my speedo cable today, I managed to pull off the front 
> plastic faceplate with the 'Mercedes specila pulling tool' which I borrowed.  
> No cracks or breaks.
> 
> What type of glue would you use to replace it???
> 
> Jon
> 
> '85 300D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Towing question???

[Allan Streib]

If you don't have trailer brakes you are in for a world of hurt if you
have to stop quickly in the rain.


Curt Raymond  writes:

> What?
>
> I pulled my '84 190D 70-80 miles at 60-65mph with my Ranger on a tow dolly no 
> problem. I disconnected the drive shaft and tied it out of the way first. 
> Years ago I towed my '85 190D 200 miles on a tow dolly at 65-80mph with my 
> Dakota with no problem. That was a manual trans so I just put it in neutral. 
> I also towed a 4400# farm tractor 300 miles at 55mph with that same '96 
> Dakota although the tractor was on a flatbed.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0500
> From: Randy Bennell 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Towing question???
> Message-ID: <5171b20e.3050...@bennell.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> No doubt you "can" but I doubt that you should.
>
> Probably need an F350 or so in order to reasonably safely pull a car at 
> that sort of speed.
>
> Randy
>
> On 19/04/2013 2:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> I wonder if you can tow it for 30 miles at 75 mph.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>>
>>> On 18/04/2013 7:39 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
>>>
 It will say that (if you can tow with rear wheels on ground) in the
 owners manual, along with limits for speed and distance.

 The manual for my 76 300D says it can be towed for up to 75 miles at no
>>> faster than 30MPH with the rear wheels on the ground and the shifter in
>>> Neutral.
>>> It also recommends removal of the drive shaft if it is to be moved much
>>> further than to a local garage.
>>>
>>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Towing question???

[Curt Raymond]

What?

I pulled my '84 190D 70-80 miles at 60-65mph with my Ranger on a tow dolly no 
problem. I disconnected the drive shaft and tied it out of the way first. Years 
ago I towed my '85 190D 200 miles on a tow dolly at 65-80mph with my Dakota 
with no problem. That was a manual trans so I just put it in neutral. I also 
towed a 4400# farm tractor 300 miles at 55mph with that same '96 Dakota 
although the tractor was on a flatbed.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Towing question???
Message-ID: <5171b20e.3050...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

No doubt you "can" but I doubt that you should.

Probably need an F350 or so in order to reasonably safely pull a car at 
that sort of speed.

Randy

On 19/04/2013 2:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> I wonder if you can tow it for 30 miles at 75 mph.
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>
>> On 18/04/2013 7:39 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
>>
>>> It will say that (if you can tow with rear wheels on ground) in the
>>> owners manual, along with limits for speed and distance.
>>>
>>> The manual for my 76 300D says it can be towed for up to 75 miles at no
>> faster than 30MPH with the rear wheels on the ground and the shifter in
>> Neutral.
>> It also recommends removal of the drive shaft if it is to be moved much
>> further than to a local garage.
>>
>> Randy

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[MBZ] Subject: Re: OT: Boston suspects

[RDeafBoy]

And they jacked a dude in a Benz to make a get away

clay
 
  Shoulda been a 240D..They would've been caught !!
 
 In fact I recently showed my friend proof that  it's still  0-60 in 22 
seconds [Twice  !! ]
 
Bob
83 240D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Curt Raymond]

Can we stop this please? Its disgusting. People died and you guys seem to think 
its all some kind of game of one upsmanship and finger pointing and spewing 
early mis-information.

I drove through Boston today starting at about 6pm, it was disturbing.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] 4k 1000 FPS Camera

[Curt Raymond]

Its not 2.2TB for the 4 minute file though the 2.2TB is the RAW files converted 
into Quicktime files you can actually edit. There is no such thing as editing 
the RAW 4K file, there has to be some conversion, in this case DPX and we can 
see they've already given up 2 bits of color in dropping to 10bit, well 
maybe... Another hassle with all HD formats is that there is no "standard" as 
such, so theres 12bit, 10bit, 8bit. 24fps, 23.976, 23.98, 25 30, 29.97, 60, 
59.97, 2K, 4K, 5K (which is kind of a joke) and 8K, 1080, 720 and good old 
NTSC/ATSC/NTSC-J/PAL/SECAM...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:22:30 -0500
From: Benz Hogs 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4k 1000 FPS Camera
Message-ID: <51716f46.3080...@gulseth.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

>From one of the producers"
We worked in 4K 10bit DPX for our conform (37MB/frame @ 24fps = 
888MB/sec). We have 3TB+ of footage data for the whole project: Phantom 
Flex4K Cine (RAW) files are ~700GB and 4k 10bit DPX conversions are 
2.2TB for a project that is less than 4 minutes in its final edit. These 
files made the 1080P ProRes444 QT's we use for editorial seem tiny! We 
had less than a 7:1 shooting ratio for the live action elements, and 
executed most of the shots in only 1 take.
"

At 2.2TB for a 4 minute file, I'd venture a guess that the aren't 
working with compression until the Vimeo upload.

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (164,xxx mi)

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Re: [MBZ] 4k 1000 FPS Camera

[Curt Raymond]

24p is the framerate, the original references 1000 FPS, 24p is 24FPS, the P is 
for progressive which is to say every frame is completely drawn unlike normal 
TV which is interlaced.

4K is  3840×2160, compared to 1080 which is 1920x1080 or SD which is 720x486. 
Color is 12bit, most SD and much HD is 8bit, some is 10. 4K and its cousins 2K 
and 8K are considered "Ultra High Definition". In the television industry 
they're considered a bit of a joke as its usually self important douchebags 
that are saying things like "The Real Housewives is gonna shoot in 8K next 
season for sure!" and then telling you how 3D is the best thing ever.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:26:21 -0600
From: Craig 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4k 1000 FPS Camera
Message-ID: <20130418182621.4007cd0273cbb36accf4d...@pisquared.net>
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> Uncompressed 4k 24p is 324MB/s (MegaBYTES, I did not confuse my case)
> so 4k is around 13.5MB/frame, at 1,000fps thats 13,500MB/s which would
> require extremely esoteric storage so either theres some interesting
> post-processing going on or theres compression. I'll go with the
> latter, probably lots of it.

So what is 4k? 4096 what? It certainly cannot be 1024x4

I presume 24p is 24 bit (3 byte) color.


Craig


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[MBZ] I am looking for 1998 or 1999 OM606

[kayoooh @ Gmail]

Hi folks,
I need your help in locating a low mileage turbocharged OM606.

Please send clear pictures along with price, year and mileage.

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Re: [MBZ] 107 Upper ball joint

[clay]

IT was fully harvested, but not by me.  I sat on her for months on end and 
finally SWMBA read me the riot act, as it was sitting in the middle of the 
drive, blocking her access to the garage and autumn was coming on.  I had been 
in the process of head gasket replacement when we found out the engine was 
scrap anymore.  I thought I could source a fine used engine, but that came to 
naught.  No plan for a replacement car at that point, so I put it up on CL for 
the vultures to take what they needed at overly liberal prices.  Tried to empty 
the parts bins as well, but I have too many parts and nobody wanted those as 
much as they wanted what was on the car and looked new and good.  Front end was 
given a new home in three or four other cars, from a R107 to both diesel and 
vergasser 114/115.  Refinished Bundts went to the SL as well.  

About the only thing the crusher got was the dead engine, body and some 
interior parts.  A pity nobody took the glass.  Body was really straight but 
ugly as sin with the paint flaking away.  Oh, and the crusher took the blower, 
which not a soul what brave enough to save.  Good blower motor too.

clay


On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> clay wrote:
>> Same same.
>> I had the front suspension rebuilt on Gump and it was the exact same stuff 
>> as for Frosch.  Indy told me I was stupid to rebuild since it was $1800, and 
>> Gump was not worth that.  It would be worth doing for a 107. At least the 
>> rubber parts are the same.  Bunch of the metal UCA and LCA are same
> 
> Did you harvest all that stuff off of Gump when you were done with it?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown

[Craig]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:30:33 -0500 Rick Knoble 
wrote:

> Big Brother is watching... Lol. 

These are the emails about which Dan asked us to inform him.

It seems one gets them when one replies directly to one of his emails. I
have gotten five from my reply earlier this afternoon and have forwarded
him the details.

My guess from postoffice.home having a non-routable address [10.0.0.1] is
that it is something Dan's running, but I haven't heard back from him yet.

Craig


> Rick
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > Resent-From: dpen...@verizon.net
> > From: postoffice
> > Date: April 19, 2013 4:14:43 PM CDT
> > To: Rick Knoble 
> > Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
> > 
> > The original message was received at 2013-04-19 20:51:22 +
> > from postoffice.home [10.0.0.1]
> > 
> >   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
> > 
> > 
> >   -Transcript of session follows -
> > ... while talking to postoffice.home.:
>  RCPT To:
> > <<< 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: dpen...@verizon.net
> > 550 ... User unknown
> > Reporting-MTA: dns; postoffice.home Received-From-MTA: DNS;
> > postoffice.home Arrival-Date: 2013-04-19 20:51:22 +
> > Final-Recipient: RFC822; dpen...@verizon.net Action: failed Status:
> > 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; postoffice.home Diagnostic-Code: SMTP;550
> > 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: dpen...@verizon.net
> > Last-Attempt-Date: 2013-04-19 20:51:22 + On Apr 19, 2013, at 3:30
> > PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
> > 
> >> With this in mind, if I want to avoid sharing information, I know
> >> how to do it and it's not terribly difficult to do. 
> > 
> > 
> > Expound please. 
> > 
> > Rick
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'82 240D/3.0Bluebell   267 kmi (leaking diesel from somewhere
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Past:   '86 190E/2.3
'72 220/8
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Re: [MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate

[Max Dillon]

Tell us about duco cement.

This is a challenging repair due to the heat cycles in the life of an 
instrument cluster.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Craig  wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:48:31 -0400 Max Dillon
>
>wrote:
>
>> Super glue if you want to try, but personally I'd get a used cluster
>> and replace it.
>
>Personally, I would try little dabs of Duco cement around the
>perimeter.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate

[Craig]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:48:31 -0400 Max Dillon 
wrote:

> Super glue if you want to try, but personally I'd get a used cluster
> and replace it.

Personally, I would try little dabs of Duco cement around the perimeter.


Craig

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Big Brother is watching... Lol. 

Rick
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> On Apr 19, 2013, at 3:30 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
> 
>> With this in mind, if I want to avoid sharing information, I know how to do 
>> it and it's not terribly difficult to do. 
> 
> 
> Expound please. 
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Re: [MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate

[Greg Fiorentino]

<< You can't bear it when I go one up, can you?  ;)>>

You certainly are projecting here.  I enjoyed your clever pun, and hoped I
could return the favor.

Greg

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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate

You can't bear it when I go one up, can you?  ;)

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Greg Fiorentino
wrote:

> I agree with Andrew.  Repairing vs. replacing is the proper 
> conservative practice.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andrew Strasfogel
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:04 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate
>
> How nice to finally can agree with Max about something.  I advise 
> using the glue liberally.
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Max Dillon
> wrote:
>
> > Super glue if you want to try, but personally I'd get a used cluster 
> > and replace it.
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
> >
> > Jon Agne  wrote:
> >
> > >Whilst replacing my speedo cable today, I managed to pull off the 
> > >front plastic faceplate with the 'Mercedes specila pulling tool'
> > >which I borrowed.  No cracks or breaks.
> > >
> > >What type of glue would you use to replace it???
> > >
> > >Jon
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Towing question???

[Randy Bennell]

No doubt you "can" but I doubt that you should.

Probably need an F350 or so in order to reasonably safely pull a car at 
that sort of speed.


Randy

On 19/04/2013 2:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I wonder if you can tow it for 30 miles at 75 mph.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:


On 18/04/2013 7:39 PM, Max Dillon wrote:


It will say that (if you can tow with rear wheels on ground) in the
owners manual, along with limits for speed and distance.

The manual for my 76 300D says it can be towed for up to 75 miles at no

faster than 30MPH with the rear wheels on the ground and the shifter in
Neutral.
It also recommends removal of the drive shaft if it is to be moved much
further than to a local garage.

Randy





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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Solar Tree for charging EVs

[Randy Bennell]

Maybe, if one waits too long but more likely it just becomes an 
expensive repair.


The condos across the way from my office have a sort of garden area in 
the middle with the condo units around the outside ring.
The garden area is raised up one level and the parking garage is under 
it all.


There are trees planted on the top of the garage and now they have 
determined that the roof of the garage needs to be rebuilt at least in 
part due to the tree roots etc.
I don't know all of the details but I have a client who lives in one of 
the condos and he says it is going to cost each of the unit owners 
something in the range of $15 to $20K as a special assessment.


Beware of older condos - around here in any event. We are hearing that a 
lot of them need work and the contingency fund that they have built up 
over the years is not adequate.


Randy

On 19/04/2013 12:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I worry what happens when green roofs age into forests full of heavy,
mature trees.  Does a building collapse under the weight of all that lumber?


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:


Chicago is among the top (if not the top) cities with green roofs.
http://www.**environmentalleader.com/2010/**06/02/chicago-dc-baltimore-**
among-top-green-roof-cities/
and
http://www.greenroofs.org/

Not sure how solar power and green roofs can coexist, or which one is more
beneficial.  I'd lean toward the green roof, since solar power is limited
in the amount of power it can provide per square foot.

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (164,xxx mi)

On 4/19/2013 11:49 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


Hey, guess what - I agree (to an extent).  We need to see solar panels on
all city rooftops.  New office buildings should be required to install
rooftop PV.






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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Rick Knoble]

On Apr 19, 2013, at 3:30 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

> With this in mind, if I want to avoid sharing information, I know how to do 
> it and it's not terribly difficult to do. 


Expound please. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate

[Andrew Strasfogel]

You can't bear it when I go one up, can you?  ;)

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

> I agree with Andrew.  Repairing vs. replacing is the proper conservative
> practice.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Strasfogel
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:04 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate
>
> How nice to finally can agree with Max about something.  I advise using the
> glue liberally.
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Max Dillon
> wrote:
>
> > Super glue if you want to try, but personally I'd get a used cluster
> > and replace it.
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
> >
> > Jon Agne  wrote:
> >
> > >Whilst replacing my speedo cable today, I managed to pull off the
> > >front plastic faceplate with the 'Mercedes specila pulling tool'
> > >which I borrowed.  No cracks or breaks.
> > >
> > >What type of glue would you use to replace it???
> > >
> > >Jon
> > >
> > >'85 300D
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate

[Greg Fiorentino]

I agree with Andrew.  Repairing vs. replacing is the proper conservative
practice.

Greg

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate

How nice to finally can agree with Max about something.  I advise using the
glue liberally.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Max Dillon
wrote:

> Super glue if you want to try, but personally I'd get a used cluster 
> and replace it.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>
> Jon Agne  wrote:
>
> >Whilst replacing my speedo cable today, I managed to pull off the 
> >front plastic faceplate with the 'Mercedes specila pulling tool' 
> >which I borrowed.  No cracks or breaks.
> >
> >What type of glue would you use to replace it???
> >
> >Jon
> >
> >'85 300D
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Dan Penoff]

I fear this is going a bit afield, but I have a hard time relating the 
ownership of a gun to the government having the capability to listen in to all 
of the rooms of my home.  Knowing I own a firearm hardly equates to 
surveillance of my communications.

As for internet communications, I can assure you that there is no privacy 
expectations.  Based on the recent Homeland Security rulings our personal 
privacy relative to electronic communications pretty much went out the 
proverbial window.  For that matter, I believe, based on personal experiences, 
that this has been the case for longer than we choose to believe.  As a 
certified network security professional I can tell you that the level and 
ability to monitor communications that exists in todays networks is staggering, 
and can be easily accessed and abused, for that matter.

With this in mind, if I want to avoid sharing information, I know how to do it 
and it's not terribly difficult to do. 

Dan


On Apr 19, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Craig wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 21:28:07 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
>> It would seem (and I am just postulating here, not making suggestions
>> or taking a position) that the only real way to control guns would be
>> to have some sort of national registry.  I can't see where law abiding,
>> responsible gun owners would have a problem with that.
> 
> You are a law abiding, responsible citizen, with nothing to hide, right?
> 
> Would you have a problem with the powers that be having active phone taps
> on all of your phones and your Internet communications, as well as
> microphones in all of the rooms of your house, all of your cars, and all
> the places where you go?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate

[Andrew Strasfogel]

How nice to finally can agree with Max about something.  I advise using the
glue liberally.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

> Super glue if you want to try, but personally I'd get a used cluster and
> replace it.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>
> Jon Agne  wrote:
>
> >Whilst replacing my speedo cable today, I managed to pull off the front
> >plastic faceplate with the 'Mercedes specila pulling tool' which I
> >borrowed.  No cracks or breaks.
> >
> >What type of glue would you use to replace it???
> >
> >Jon
> >
> >'85 300D
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate

[Max Dillon]

Super glue if you want to try, but personally I'd get a used cluster and 
replace it.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Jon Agne  wrote:

>Whilst replacing my speedo cable today, I managed to pull off the front
>plastic faceplate with the 'Mercedes specila pulling tool' which I
>borrowed.  No cracks or breaks.
>
>What type of glue would you use to replace it???
>
>Jon
>
>'85 300D
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Craig]

On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 21:28:07 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> It would seem (and I am just postulating here, not making suggestions
> or taking a position) that the only real way to control guns would be
> to have some sort of national registry.  I can't see where law abiding,
> responsible gun owners would have a problem with that.

You are a law abiding, responsible citizen, with nothing to hide, right?

Would you have a problem with the powers that be having active phone taps
on all of your phones and your Internet communications, as well as
microphones in all of the rooms of your house, all of your cars, and all
the places where you go?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Greg Fiorentino]

<>

Or even to vote, for that matter.

Greg  

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

Well, which of the original ten amendments to the constitution give you a
"right" to drive a car?  Driving is a privilege, and should be licensed.

A better analogy would use the first amendment.  All journalists, reporters,
editors, actors, directors, musicians, broadcasters etc. who produce any
written works, music, video, or live performances, must be licensed and
regulated by the state, and registered in the federal database.  

Any "free speech" must comply with current federal, state, and local law.
Slander is illegal, as is yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.  Threatening
any government official is also not allowed.

Only those properly permitted and current on their "free speech" fees may
communicate with their elected representatives.  Violations may result in
loss of "free speech", fines, and imprisonment.  Want to post to your blog?
Need a permit for that.  Put a sign up on your property?  Show us your
license for that.  Purchase a computer or get a smartphone?  Need to be
registered, get a background check, pay a fee, pass a test to make sure you
know the law...

So, you still have "free speech", right?  No infringement there?
--
Max Dillon
Not a constitutional scholar

Dan Penoff  wrote:

>I am trying to think this out logically, without any sort of political 
>or personal aspects.
>
>I would agree.  Just like having a driver's license, for example, why 
>would establishing a database of guns be unconstitutional?  Sure, the 
>government knows you have them, but if you bought them legally, they 
>already know you have them, correct?
>
>And yes, as with establishing any database of existing items, it will 
>take some time for everything to be collected/entered, and there will 
>always be some outside of the database.  It will take time, but with 
>the full cooperation of owners and manufacturers it's certainly a 
>realistic approach.
>
>I can see where some people might be concerned that the government 
>might attempt to use its powers to confiscate or somehow control gun 
>ownership using this data, but I fail to see this being a valid 
>argument.  We would have to be in a martial law or serious domestic 
>situation for this to happen, and even at that, it's likely the 
>populace would rise up in opposition if it was attempted.
>
>Dan
>
>
>
>On Apr 19, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:
>
>> How is it unconstitutional?  Keeping a database of all guns doesn't
>prevent a person from owning one.
>> 
>> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
>> '98 ML320 "Max" (164,xxx mi)
>> 
>> On 4/18/2013 8:49 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
>>> Except it is unconstitutional:
>>> 
>>> The second amendment
>>> Text of the 2nd Amendment
>>> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free 
>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be 
>>> infringed.
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[MBZ] Glue for Instrument Cluster Faceplate

[Jon Agne]

Whilst replacing my speedo cable today, I managed to pull off the front plastic 
faceplate with the 'Mercedes specila pulling tool' which I borrowed.  No cracks 
or breaks.

What type of glue would you use to replace it???

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Re: [MBZ] Towing question???

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I wonder if you can tow it for 30 miles at 75 mph.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 18/04/2013 7:39 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
>
>> It will say that (if you can tow with rear wheels on ground) in the
>> owners manual, along with limits for speed and distance.
>>
>> The manual for my 76 300D says it can be towed for up to 75 miles at no
> faster than 30MPH with the rear wheels on the ground and the shifter in
> Neutral.
> It also recommends removal of the drive shaft if it is to be moved much
> further than to a local garage.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Towing question???

[Randy Bennell]

On 18/04/2013 7:39 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

It will say that (if you can tow with rear wheels on ground) in the owners 
manual, along with limits for speed and distance.

The manual for my 76 300D says it can be towed for up to 75 miles at no 
faster than 30MPH with the rear wheels on the ground and the shifter in 
Neutral.
It also recommends removal of the drive shaft if it is to be moved much 
further than to a local garage.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Am I serious?  Seldom.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:23 PM, clay  wrote:

> And they jacked a dude in a Benz to make a get away
>
> clay
>
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 5:02 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>
> > Chechen brothers, one dead.
> > Apparently not American left wingers, American right wingers, or
> Islamists.
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-marathon-bombings.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Re: [MBZ] Solar Tree for charging EVs

[Randy Bennell]

The simple answer, is that you cover the outside of the car with the 
photo cells. I went to look at a bunch of solar cars that compete in a 
"race" and they were very interesting. Generally, the outside of the 
body was covered in the cells.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: CNC mill made from random stuff

[Benz Hogs]

How bout a picture of the finished product? :)

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
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On 4/12/2013 4:00 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

OK here is the vid I made and uploaded to Utuber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0JyKONZx1k&feature=youtu.be

The router is making a lot of noise so you can't hear the melody of the
steppers.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[clay]

And they jacked a dude in a Benz to make a get away

clay

On Apr 19, 2013, at 5:02 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Chechen brothers, one dead.
> Apparently not American left wingers, American right wingers, or Islamists.
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-marathon-bombings.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Re: [MBZ] $18 Rechrome?

[clay]

I really liked the stuff Leno had, but wanted to see if plain old rattle can 
would be able to do the job.  How to vids seemed to make it look like it would 
be much the same with krylon.The trick seems to be to use a bazillion 
really light coats and then buff it

clay

On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Not quite an attaboy just yet.
> What about that chrome spray stuff that Jay Leno demonstrated?
> 
> I didn't like the Krylon chrome job I tried to do on a bicycle frame in the 
> 1980s either. In my case, I don't think I put the paint on wet enough.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] $18 Rechrome?

[clay]

But that has been done before!

I did want to see if this would work.  I had tried something akin to this on 
tail light reflectors and it really had no impact

clay

On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:24 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

>> why not see if you can revive a more solid, but still dread reflector.
> 
> I don't hold out much hope for the glass beads.  They're corner
> reflectors, whereas what you want is flat ones so they'll pick
> up the parabolic angle(s) of the reflector bowl.
> 
> Why not try strips of aluminum foil, and spray 77 glue?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Max Dillon]

Well, which of the original ten amendments to the constitution give you a 
"right" to drive a car?  Driving is a privilege, and should be licensed.

A better analogy would use the first amendment.  All journalists, reporters, 
editors, actors, directors, musicians, broadcasters etc. who produce any 
written works, music, video, or live performances, must be licensed and 
regulated by the state, and registered in the federal database.  

Any "free speech" must comply with current federal, state, and local law.  
Slander is illegal, as is yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.  Threatening any 
government official is also not allowed.

Only those properly permitted and current on their "free speech" fees may 
communicate with their elected representatives.  Violations may result in loss 
of "free speech", fines, and imprisonment.  Want to post to your blog?  Need a 
permit for that.  Put a sign up on your property?  Show us your license for 
that.  Purchase a computer or get a smartphone?  Need to be registered, get a 
background check, pay a fee, pass a test to make sure you know the law...

So, you still have "free speech", right?  No infringement there?
-- 
Max Dillon
Not a constitutional scholar

Dan Penoff  wrote:

>I am trying to think this out logically, without any sort of political
>or personal aspects.
>
>I would agree.  Just like having a driver's license, for example, why
>would establishing a database of guns be unconstitutional?  Sure, the
>government knows you have them, but if you bought them legally, they
>already know you have them, correct?
>
>And yes, as with establishing any database of existing items, it will
>take some time for everything to be collected/entered, and there will
>always be some outside of the database.  It will take time, but with
>the full cooperation of owners and manufacturers it's certainly a
>realistic approach.
>
>I can see where some people might be concerned that the government
>might attempt to use its powers to confiscate or somehow control gun
>ownership using this data, but I fail to see this being a valid
>argument.  We would have to be in a martial law or serious domestic
>situation for this to happen, and even at that, it's likely the
>populace would rise up in opposition if it was attempted.
>
>Dan
>
>
>
>On Apr 19, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:
>
>> How is it unconstitutional?  Keeping a database of all guns doesn't
>prevent a person from owning one.
>> 
>> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
>> '98 ML320 "Max" (164,xxx mi)
>> 
>> On 4/18/2013 8:49 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
>>> Except it is unconstitutional:
>>> 
>>> The second amendment
>>> Text of the 2nd Amendment
>>> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>> infringed.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Benz Hogs]

Were you serious?

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (164,xxx mi)

On 4/19/2013 12:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Let's not.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:


I would offer this, see below marked by the *.

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (159,xxx mi)


On 4/19/2013 12:20 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:


<< Please don't rewrite history.  I was suitably cautious IIRC...>>

Let's go to the videotape:

Here are excerpts from your first FOUR posts on this topic:

<< Because Obama is going to take away their guns.
On Apr 15, 2013 5:42 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:


Why would anyone want to injure a bunch of people watching the
marathon?>>


*genuine concern*


<< Let's wait and see.  Anyone want to take bets on who perpetrated this

atrocity?>>


*smart and patient*



<< My bad.  I guess the bombings must have been a legitimate exercies of
second amendment rights on Patriot Day.>>


*sarcastic*



<< Theoretically speaking, what about red-blodded USA-born-and-bred gun
nuts
who obtained their weaponry (including explosives) lawfully and are
motivated by hatred of the Feds and/or Obama?>>


*devil's advocate*



Apparently you do NOT RC!

Perhaps these comments were simply reflexive denial of the worldview of
your
political opponents, and not your actual rational thoughts.  But the
problem
is that you and your fellow travelers and the CIC and his minions are
blind
to who the friends and enemies of the USA are!

To posit over and over again (incorrectly!) that members of the Tea Party
or
protectors of the 2A or those who question our lack of enforcement of our
immigration laws are the danger is to overlook the real danger.

Greg



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Rich Thomas]

You are so funny!

The answer to your second question is yes, most certainly so!  It 
provides hours of entertainment.


The answer to your first question is because the whole Cambridge thing 
is now ascendent, and it is beyond a writhing mass, it is like the 
mother of all writhing masses, all the way down to the subatomic level 
(but it is Nuclear-Free!).  You ever spent any time there, absorb any of 
the zeitgeist?  It might be too much, even for you!


--R (who spent some time there, lived there, worked there, knew people 
there, ate there, got entertained there, etc etc)



On 4/19/13 12:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

But why pick on Cambridge?  Isn't the entire USA just one writhing mass of
irony?



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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Solar Tree for charging EVs

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I worry what happens when green roofs age into forests full of heavy,
mature trees.  Does a building collapse under the weight of all that lumber?


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> Chicago is among the top (if not the top) cities with green roofs.
> http://www.**environmentalleader.com/2010/**06/02/chicago-dc-baltimore-**
> among-top-green-roof-cities/
> and
> http://www.greenroofs.org/
>
> Not sure how solar power and green roofs can coexist, or which one is more
> beneficial.  I'd lean toward the green roof, since solar power is limited
> in the amount of power it can provide per square foot.
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (164,xxx mi)
>
> On 4/19/2013 11:49 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Hey, guess what - I agree (to an extent).  We need to see solar panels on
>> all city rooftops.  New office buildings should be required to install
>> rooftop PV.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Let's not.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> I would offer this, see below marked by the *.
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (159,xxx mi)
>
>
> On 4/19/2013 12:20 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
>
>> << Please don't rewrite history.  I was suitably cautious IIRC...>>
>>
>> Let's go to the videotape:
>>
>> Here are excerpts from your first FOUR posts on this topic:
>>
>> << Because Obama is going to take away their guns.
>> On Apr 15, 2013 5:42 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
>>
>> >Why would anyone want to injure a bunch of people watching the
>>> marathon?>>
>>>
>> *genuine concern*
>
> << Let's wait and see.  Anyone want to take bets on who perpetrated this
>> atrocity?>>
>>
> *smart and patient*
>
>
>> << My bad.  I guess the bombings must have been a legitimate exercies of
>> second amendment rights on Patriot Day.>>
>>
> *sarcastic*
>
>
>> << Theoretically speaking, what about red-blodded USA-born-and-bred gun
>> nuts
>> who obtained their weaponry (including explosives) lawfully and are
>> motivated by hatred of the Feds and/or Obama?>>
>>
> *devil's advocate*
>
>
>> Apparently you do NOT RC!
>>
>> Perhaps these comments were simply reflexive denial of the worldview of
>> your
>> political opponents, and not your actual rational thoughts.  But the
>> problem
>> is that you and your fellow travelers and the CIC and his minions are
>> blind
>> to who the friends and enemies of the USA are!
>>
>> To posit over and over again (incorrectly!) that members of the Tea Party
>> or
>> protectors of the 2A or those who question our lack of enforcement of our
>> immigration laws are the danger is to overlook the real danger.
>>
>> Greg
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Benz Hogs]

I would offer this, see below marked by the *.

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (159,xxx mi)

On 4/19/2013 12:20 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

<< Please don't rewrite history.  I was suitably cautious IIRC...>>

Let's go to the videotape:

Here are excerpts from your first FOUR posts on this topic:

<< Because Obama is going to take away their guns.
On Apr 15, 2013 5:42 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:


>Why would anyone want to injure a bunch of people watching the marathon?>>

*genuine concern*

<< Let's wait and see.  Anyone want to take bets on who perpetrated this
atrocity?>>

*smart and patient*


<< My bad.  I guess the bombings must have been a legitimate exercies of
second amendment rights on Patriot Day.>>

*sarcastic*


<< Theoretically speaking, what about red-blodded USA-born-and-bred gun nuts
who obtained their weaponry (including explosives) lawfully and are
motivated by hatred of the Feds and/or Obama?>>

*devil's advocate*


Apparently you do NOT RC!

Perhaps these comments were simply reflexive denial of the worldview of your
political opponents, and not your actual rational thoughts.  But the problem
is that you and your fellow travelers and the CIC and his minions are blind
to who the friends and enemies of the USA are!

To posit over and over again (incorrectly!) that members of the Tea Party or
protectors of the 2A or those who question our lack of enforcement of our
immigration laws are the danger is to overlook the real danger.

Greg


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Greg Fiorentino]

<< if you bought them legally, they already know you have them, correct?>>

Not necessarily.  Private purchases are exempt at this point.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

I am trying to think this out logically, without any sort of political or
personal aspects.

I would agree.  Just like having a driver's license, for example, why would
establishing a database of guns be unconstitutional?  Sure, the government
knows you have them, but if you bought them legally, they already know you
have them, correct?

And yes, as with establishing any database of existing items, it will take
some time for everything to be collected/entered, and there will always be
some outside of the database.  It will take time, but with the full
cooperation of owners and manufacturers it's certainly a realistic approach.

I can see where some people might be concerned that the government might
attempt to use its powers to confiscate or somehow control gun ownership
using this data, but I fail to see this being a valid argument.  We would
have to be in a martial law or serious domestic situation for this to
happen, and even at that, it's likely the populace would rise up in
opposition if it was attempted.

Dan



On Apr 19, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:

> How is it unconstitutional?  Keeping a database of all guns doesn't
prevent a person from owning one.
> 
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (164,xxx mi)
> 
> On 4/18/2013 8:49 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
>> Except it is unconstitutional:
>> 
>> The second amendment
>> Text of the 2nd Amendment
>> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free 
>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be 
>> infringed.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Greg Fiorentino]

<< Please don't rewrite history.  I was suitably cautious IIRC...>>

Let's go to the videotape:

Here are excerpts from your first FOUR posts on this topic:

<< Because Obama is going to take away their guns.
On Apr 15, 2013 5:42 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

> Why would anyone want to injure a bunch of people watching the marathon?>>

<< Let's wait and see.  Anyone want to take bets on who perpetrated this
atrocity?>>

<< My bad.  I guess the bombings must have been a legitimate exercies of
second amendment rights on Patriot Day.>>

<< Theoretically speaking, what about red-blodded USA-born-and-bred gun nuts
who obtained their weaponry (including explosives) lawfully and are
motivated by hatred of the Feds and/or Obama?>>

Apparently you do NOT RC!

Perhaps these comments were simply reflexive denial of the worldview of your
political opponents, and not your actual rational thoughts.  But the problem
is that you and your fellow travelers and the CIC and his minions are blind
to who the friends and enemies of the USA are!

To posit over and over again (incorrectly!) that members of the Tea Party or
protectors of the 2A or those who question our lack of enforcement of our
immigration laws are the danger is to overlook the real danger.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 7:52 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

Please don't rewrite history.  I was suitably cautious IIRC, but my final
"best guess" was Al Qaeda due to the use of IEDs.  These Chechen rebels may
turn out to belong to "Al Qaeda of Europe cell.  Very scary to see
normal-looking white guys doing stuff like this.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> These guys had been in the US since 2000 or 2001 according to their 
> uncle (who wishes them dead), one went to UMass Dartmouth.  No one 
> apparently saw this coming, thought they were nice regular guys. One 
> of them was recently posting stuff about following Allah or something.  
> You gotta wonder what sets these whackjobs off.
>
> Chilling pics here of one of them standing next to little boy who was 
> killed, with the backpack right next to him 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/**
> news/article-2311616/Boston-**bombings-Chilling-image-shows-**
> year-old-boy-standing-Boston-**bomber-moments-planted-**
>
explosive.html#ixzz2QuqnDrFmthen walking off when the bomb
goes off.
>
> Not Tea Party anti-tax 2nd amendment protesters, media trying to come 
> to grips with that, although "automatic" weapons are involved, so that 
> is somewhat comforting.
>
> BOSTON (CBS) -- The uncle of the two men suspected in the Boston 
> Marathon bombings 
>  marathon-bombing-suspect-in-**custody-second-at-large/ bslocal.com/2013/04/19/report-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-in-custo
> dy-second-at-large/>> says they had lived together in Cambridge for 
> about a decade.
>
> WBZ-TV spoke with the suspects' uncle, Ruslan Tsarni.
>
> Read: 2nd Uncle Of Bombing Suspects: 'Yesterday He Called Me' <
> http://boston.cbslocal.com/**2013/04/19/2nd-uncle-of-**
> bombing-suspects-yesterday-he-**called-me/ 2013/04/19/2nd-uncle-of-bombing-suspects-yesterday-he-called-me/>
> >
>
> *WATCH NOW:* WBZ-TV Live Coverage  live-video/ >
>
> Tsarni says Dzhokar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev immigrated to the United 
> States around 2000 or 2001, and have lived at the same Cambridge 
> address since that time.
>
> According to Tsarni, Dzhokar completed high school in Cambridge and 
> was attending college somewhere outside of Boston.
>
> Tsarni, who says he hasn't been in touch with the brothers since 
> around 2009, tells WBZ-TV he believes that the brothers' parents may 
> have moved back to Russia.
>
> He described Tamerlan as a "loser."
>
> Tsarni was shocked when he was informed of the unfolding situation 
> that left Tamerlan Tsarnaev dead in a shootout.
>
> "He deserved his. He absolutely deserved his," Tsarni said. "They do 
> not deserve to live on this earth."
>
>
>
>
> --R
>
>
> On 4/19/13 9:37 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Yeah. We just don't get it. Deporting Germans and welcoming Chechnyan 
>> jihadists. Well done USA.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>>
>> dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
 We Americans seem to be allowing some real "quality" immigrants 
 into our country. Not.

>>> The German family that fled to the USA to escape persecution for the 
>>> crime of home-schooling their kids got deported because their asylum 
>>> clai

Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[G Mann]

On 4/19/13 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Rich is obviously trying to make this all so very political, e.g., liberals
= bad in many ways and somehow at fault in this tragedy if not for what
they did, but because of their pernicious political views that corrupt
America.  That plays right into my "liberal guilt".

NOT.
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First requirement to become a liberal is denial, which includes owning
guilt for acts which are caused by the liberal. The required liberal
rhetoric is always, it's "someones fault, not mine" ie. it's "bushes
fault". [as a now common example seen].


Most conveniently, liberals can then be "without guilt", since "it's not my
fault". The unfeeling and insensitive liberal has no apparent idea just how
insulting such actions are and blindly goes about his/her/it's way full of
"feel good" without ever taking responsibility for the truly bad things
they have done.

When call to task for having done something or broken a social taboo, the
response is always as we see above.. "I feel no guilt"... "it's not mine"
[enter self denial]

Own it Andrew "you built this" and those who think like you.

Grant... AZ


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> No, not at all.  Pointing out the irony of the whole situation. Plenty of
> irony in the whole deal, I find it fascinating.
>
> I heard the getaway car had a COEXIST sticker on it.  Oh, and the older
> bro was arrested for (drum roll, guess what) domestic violence in
> Cambridge, the Domestic Violence-Free Zone.  [Note too that 35 yr ago
> Cambridge was declared a Nuclear-Free Zone, and signs were erected at the
> entrances to the city.  Just a coupla blocks down the street from the one
> at the Mass Ave bridge was a nuclear reactor, right there on Mass Ave.]
>
> --R
>
>
> On 4/19/13 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Rich is obviously trying to make this all so very political, e.g.,
>> liberals
>> = bad in many ways and somehow at fault in this tragedy if not for what
>> they did, but because of their pernicious political views that corrupt
>> America.  That plays right into my "liberal guilt".
>>
>> NOT.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I just reported fresh history as it is being written, no rewrites.
>>>
>>> Looks like the older brother (a quiet loner...) was the more radical of
>>> the two (yes as a follower of mohamet), got the younger one ( a nice kid,
>>> very friendly, no one saw it coming...) worked up.  They don't appear to
>>> be
>>> "Chechen rebels" as they have lived in Cambridge for like 12 or 13 years
>>> (older one 14 or so, younger one 6 or 7 when arrived) so I doubt they had
>>> much to do with Chechnya rebellion. Unclear where the parents are or how
>>> the kids got here, the uncle seems to be fairly rational, says he has not
>>> seen them for a while.
>>>
>>> The older one was jacked up about the decline of morals and such,
>>> following a radical Australian Islamic preacher.  So he goes and sets off
>>> bombs to deal with the moral decline, kills people, go figure. The
>>> Chechen
>>> angle might play into that to some degree but these guys are sorta
>>> home-grown.
>>>
>>> The younger one was wearing a hoodie during the 7-11 holdup prior to the
>>> murder of the MIT cop.  I wonder if there will be hoodie days in schools
>>> this go-around, sort of a Trayvon redux.
>>>
>>> Yeah, they are white guys, which gives the media a bit of relief but they
>>> still have to deal with the islamic aspect which will involve
>>> considerable
>>> contortions.  The theme meme is already starting, "What did WE do to them
>>> to MAKE them act this way?" as expected.  Now of course they lived in
>>> Cambridge, which is a Domestic Violence-Free Zone, and the center of the
>>> universe for political correctness, so that is a bit of a disconnect, but
>>> I'm sure we will discover how they were oppressed or discriminated
>>> against.
>>>
>>> Note I have spent considerable time in and around their neighborhood,
>>> Leonard Nimoy grew up around there too.  East Cambridge has always been
>>> sorta the working-class lower-rent area but is now fairly
>>> gentrified/yuppified but still not like over around Hahvahd Squah and to
>>> the west.
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/19/13 10:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>>
>>>  Please don't rewrite history.  I was suitably cautious IIRC, but my
 final
 "best guess" was Al Qaeda due to the use of IEDs.  These Chechen rebels
 may
 turn out to belong to "Al Qaeda of Europe cell.  Very scary to see
 normal-looking white guys doing stuff like this.



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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Solar Tree for charging EVs

[Benz Hogs]

Chicago is among the top (if not the top) cities with green roofs.
http://www.environmentalleader.com/2010/06/02/chicago-dc-baltimore-among-top-green-roof-cities/
and
http://www.greenroofs.org/

Not sure how solar power and green roofs can coexist, or which one is 
more beneficial.  I'd lean toward the green roof, since solar power is 
limited in the amount of power it can provide per square foot.


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On 4/19/2013 11:49 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Hey, guess what - I agree (to an extent).  We need to see solar panels on
all city rooftops.  New office buildings should be required to install
rooftop PV.


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[MBZ] OT: Bad things happen

[Benz Hogs]

Humans are not good by nature, good is only taught by your parents or 
those that raised you.  Since people are naturally bad, bad things will 
always happen.  It's not the fault of the liberals, conservatives, 
Osama, Obama, Limbaugh, the KGB, etc.  Very simply, its bad humans and 
this will never cease until the world is no more.


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On 4/19/2013 10:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Rich is obviously trying to make this all so very political, e.g., liberals
= bad in many ways and somehow at fault in this tragedy if not for what
they did, but because of their pernicious political views that corrupt
America.  That plays right into my "liberal guilt".

NOT.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Shoe Goo

[Benz Hogs]

Did you patch on the inside or outside?  My wife's year old boots are 
starting the same crappy cracking.  Makes wearing boots in the rain useless.


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On 4/19/2013 8:15 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

I used shoe goo again yesterday.  Unusually enough for me,
on _shoes_!  Wife's rubber boot, not old at all, split down
the side.  I roughed/cleaned up the area and used SG to
glue a patch of bicycle inner tube rubber over it.  Not
all that pretty, but maybe will work.  I'm surprised she
threw 'em to me, she of the "new or nothing", but perhaps
it was more in the nature of a bone she was throwing...

-- Jim





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Andrew Strasfogel]

But why pick on Cambridge?  Isn't the entire USA just one writhing mass of
irony?



On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> No, not at all.  Pointing out the irony of the whole situation. Plenty of
> irony in the whole deal, I find it fascinating.
>
> I heard the getaway car had a COEXIST sticker on it.  Oh, and the older
> bro was arrested for (drum roll, guess what) domestic violence in
> Cambridge, the Domestic Violence-Free Zone.  [Note too that 35 yr ago
> Cambridge was declared a Nuclear-Free Zone, and signs were erected at the
> entrances to the city.  Just a coupla blocks down the street from the one
> at the Mass Ave bridge was a nuclear reactor, right there on Mass Ave.]
>
> --R
>
>
> On 4/19/13 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Rich is obviously trying to make this all so very political, e.g.,
>> liberals
>> = bad in many ways and somehow at fault in this tragedy if not for what
>> they did, but because of their pernicious political views that corrupt
>> America.  That plays right into my "liberal guilt".
>>
>> NOT.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I just reported fresh history as it is being written, no rewrites.
>>>
>>> Looks like the older brother (a quiet loner...) was the more radical of
>>> the two (yes as a follower of mohamet), got the younger one ( a nice kid,
>>> very friendly, no one saw it coming...) worked up.  They don't appear to
>>> be
>>> "Chechen rebels" as they have lived in Cambridge for like 12 or 13 years
>>> (older one 14 or so, younger one 6 or 7 when arrived) so I doubt they had
>>> much to do with Chechnya rebellion. Unclear where the parents are or how
>>> the kids got here, the uncle seems to be fairly rational, says he has not
>>> seen them for a while.
>>>
>>> The older one was jacked up about the decline of morals and such,
>>> following a radical Australian Islamic preacher.  So he goes and sets off
>>> bombs to deal with the moral decline, kills people, go figure. The
>>> Chechen
>>> angle might play into that to some degree but these guys are sorta
>>> home-grown.
>>>
>>> The younger one was wearing a hoodie during the 7-11 holdup prior to the
>>> murder of the MIT cop.  I wonder if there will be hoodie days in schools
>>> this go-around, sort of a Trayvon redux.
>>>
>>> Yeah, they are white guys, which gives the media a bit of relief but they
>>> still have to deal with the islamic aspect which will involve
>>> considerable
>>> contortions.  The theme meme is already starting, "What did WE do to them
>>> to MAKE them act this way?" as expected.  Now of course they lived in
>>> Cambridge, which is a Domestic Violence-Free Zone, and the center of the
>>> universe for political correctness, so that is a bit of a disconnect, but
>>> I'm sure we will discover how they were oppressed or discriminated
>>> against.
>>>
>>> Note I have spent considerable time in and around their neighborhood,
>>> Leonard Nimoy grew up around there too.  East Cambridge has always been
>>> sorta the working-class lower-rent area but is now fairly
>>> gentrified/yuppified but still not like over around Hahvahd Squah and to
>>> the west.
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/19/13 10:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>>
>>> Please don't rewrite history.  I was suitably cautious IIRC, but my final
 "best guess" was Al Qaeda due to the use of IEDs.  These Chechen rebels
 may
 turn out to belong to "Al Qaeda of Europe cell.  Very scary to see
 normal-looking white guys doing stuff like this.



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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Solar Tree for charging EVs

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Hey, guess what - I agree (to an extent).  We need to see solar panels on
all city rooftops.  New office buildings should be required to install
rooftop PV.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> That brings up another farce I'd love to have exposed.  The buying of
> "green energy" by all the liberals in the city. The long distance transfer
> of energy is limited by the laws of electricity.  Until cities build
> massive solar/wind plants in the city, all of that "green energy" is being
> used local to production.  I guess it ends up that rural locals "green
> energy" is actually subsidized by the liberals in the city Maybe it's
> not so bad after all.
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (159,xxx mi)
>
> On 4/18/2013 9:36 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
>
>> Too bad there's no way to harvest power in areas where it is
>> plentiful, and send it cheaply to places where it is needed.
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Solar Tree for charging EVs

[Benz Hogs]

That should join the bill that's changing the laws of thermodynamics.
"
David E. Cole: I have not met with the Obama task force. The reference 
to "laws of physics" applies to a conversation I had with several 
congressmen a number of years ago where they suggested we pass a new 2nd 
law of thermodynamics.

"
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/obamas-auto-team-the-laws-of-physics/


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On 4/18/2013 10:02 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

No Problem!  Just get  the o'bummer to sign an executed order, and poof,
Ohm's law is gone, just like the constitution and every right we had.
No Problemo!


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Dan Penoff]

I am trying to think this out logically, without any sort of political or 
personal aspects.

I would agree.  Just like having a driver's license, for example, why would 
establishing a database of guns be unconstitutional?  Sure, the government 
knows you have them, but if you bought them legally, they already know you have 
them, correct?

And yes, as with establishing any database of existing items, it will take some 
time for everything to be collected/entered, and there will always be some 
outside of the database.  It will take time, but with the full cooperation of 
owners and manufacturers it's certainly a realistic approach.

I can see where some people might be concerned that the government might 
attempt to use its powers to confiscate or somehow control gun ownership using 
this data, but I fail to see this being a valid argument.  We would have to be 
in a martial law or serious domestic situation for this to happen, and even at 
that, it's likely the populace would rise up in opposition if it was attempted.

Dan



On Apr 19, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:

> How is it unconstitutional?  Keeping a database of all guns doesn't prevent a 
> person from owning one.
> 
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (164,xxx mi)
> 
> On 4/18/2013 8:49 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
>> Except it is unconstitutional:
>> 
>> The second amendment
>> Text of the 2nd Amendment
>> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>> infringed.
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Solar Tree for charging EVs

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That brings up another farce I'd love to have exposed.  The buying of 
"green energy" by all the liberals in the city. The long distance 
transfer of energy is limited by the laws of electricity.  Until cities 
build massive solar/wind plants in the city, all of that "green energy" 
is being used local to production.  I guess it ends up that rural locals 
"green energy" is actually subsidized by the liberals in the city 
Maybe it's not so bad after all.


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'98 ML320 "Max" (159,xxx mi)

On 4/18/2013 9:36 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

Too bad there's no way to harvest power in areas where it is
plentiful, and send it cheaply to places where it is needed.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Solar Tree for charging EVs

[Benz Hogs]

Yup.  Until that lifestyle is changed, efficiency (or the lack thereof) 
of energy usage cannot be truly fixed.


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On 4/18/2013 9:30 PM, OK Don wrote:

Ah ha! Now you've identified the problem - "highest traffic areas" and
"drive to a major downtown"!

OKDon, who doesn't live in ANY town anymore!


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Rich Thomas]

No, not at all.  Pointing out the irony of the whole situation. Plenty 
of irony in the whole deal, I find it fascinating.


I heard the getaway car had a COEXIST sticker on it.  Oh, and the older 
bro was arrested for (drum roll, guess what) domestic violence in 
Cambridge, the Domestic Violence-Free Zone.  [Note too that 35 yr ago 
Cambridge was declared a Nuclear-Free Zone, and signs were erected at 
the entrances to the city.  Just a coupla blocks down the street from 
the one at the Mass Ave bridge was a nuclear reactor, right there on 
Mass Ave.]


--R


On 4/19/13 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Rich is obviously trying to make this all so very political, e.g., liberals
= bad in many ways and somehow at fault in this tragedy if not for what
they did, but because of their pernicious political views that corrupt
America.  That plays right into my "liberal guilt".

NOT.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


I just reported fresh history as it is being written, no rewrites.

Looks like the older brother (a quiet loner...) was the more radical of
the two (yes as a follower of mohamet), got the younger one ( a nice kid,
very friendly, no one saw it coming...) worked up.  They don't appear to be
"Chechen rebels" as they have lived in Cambridge for like 12 or 13 years
(older one 14 or so, younger one 6 or 7 when arrived) so I doubt they had
much to do with Chechnya rebellion. Unclear where the parents are or how
the kids got here, the uncle seems to be fairly rational, says he has not
seen them for a while.

The older one was jacked up about the decline of morals and such,
following a radical Australian Islamic preacher.  So he goes and sets off
bombs to deal with the moral decline, kills people, go figure. The Chechen
angle might play into that to some degree but these guys are sorta
home-grown.

The younger one was wearing a hoodie during the 7-11 holdup prior to the
murder of the MIT cop.  I wonder if there will be hoodie days in schools
this go-around, sort of a Trayvon redux.

Yeah, they are white guys, which gives the media a bit of relief but they
still have to deal with the islamic aspect which will involve considerable
contortions.  The theme meme is already starting, "What did WE do to them
to MAKE them act this way?" as expected.  Now of course they lived in
Cambridge, which is a Domestic Violence-Free Zone, and the center of the
universe for political correctness, so that is a bit of a disconnect, but
I'm sure we will discover how they were oppressed or discriminated against.

Note I have spent considerable time in and around their neighborhood,
Leonard Nimoy grew up around there too.  East Cambridge has always been
sorta the working-class lower-rent area but is now fairly
gentrified/yuppified but still not like over around Hahvahd Squah and to
the west.

--R



On 4/19/13 10:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


Please don't rewrite history.  I was suitably cautious IIRC, but my final
"best guess" was Al Qaeda due to the use of IEDs.  These Chechen rebels
may
turn out to belong to "Al Qaeda of Europe cell.  Very scary to see
normal-looking white guys doing stuff like this.




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Benz Hogs]

How is it unconstitutional?  Keeping a database of all guns doesn't 
prevent a person from owning one.


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'98 ML320 "Max" (164,xxx mi)

On 4/18/2013 8:49 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

Except it is unconstitutional:

The second amendment
Text of the 2nd Amendment
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Down in Flames!

[Benz Hogs]

I cannot disagree with having a national registry except in the 
implementation thereof as it's hard to see how it could be created 
without illegal search.  Law abiding citizens will comply with the law, 
but those that don't give a damn will still have unregistered guns and 
trade them in the black market.


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On 4/18/2013 8:28 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

It would seem (and I am just postulating here, not making suggestions or taking 
a position) that the only real way to control guns would be to have some sort 
of national registry.  I can't see where law abiding, responsible gun owners 
would have a problem with that.


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Re: [MBZ] Solar Tree for charging EVs

[Benz Hogs]

Please provide proof of said quote.

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On 4/18/2013 8:25 PM, Dieselhead wrote:



"We can't have intelligent and informed people in this country.  It
interferes with our plans"  o'bummer



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Re: [MBZ] 4k 1000 FPS Camera

[Benz Hogs]

From one of the producers"
We worked in 4K 10bit DPX for our conform (37MB/frame @ 24fps = 
888MB/sec). We have 3TB+ of footage data for the whole project: Phantom 
Flex4K Cine (RAW) files are ~700GB and 4k 10bit DPX conversions are 
2.2TB for a project that is less than 4 minutes in its final edit. These 
files made the 1080P ProRes444 QT's we use for editorial seem tiny! We 
had less than a 7:1 shooting ratio for the live action elements, and 
executed most of the shots in only 1 take.

"

At 2.2TB for a 4 minute file, I'd venture a guess that the aren't 
working with compression until the Vimeo upload.


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On 4/18/2013 6:38 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Ugh, don't get me started.

Nobody wants high frame rates for playback since it looks "ugly" like a soap 
opera.

Uncompressed 4k 24p is 324MB/s (MegaBYTES, I did not confuse my case) so 4k is 
around 13.5MB/frame, at 1,000fps thats 13,500MB/s which would require extremely 
esoteric storage so either theres some interesting post-processing going on or 
theres compression. I'll go with the latter, probably lots of it.

When it gets to your TV your cable provide has cut the resolution to 1/2 and 
the data rate to 6Mb/s (again pay attention to case, thats megaBITS) so the 
compression artifacting ruins the image.

90% of what you watch on television today isn't even really HD, your local news 
is probably DV25 16:9. That of course depends on where you are...

That footage looks cool but don't confuse a technology demo with what you'll 
ever really see. besides the REALLY cool kids are doing 8k.

Oh, if you're into "The Deadliest Catch" I was talking to one of the editors two weeks 
ago and apparently the Director of Photography is saying this season's underwater shots are 
"The best under water cinematography ever produced". Remember he's critiquing his own 
work and take it with a grain of salt.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:38:51 -0400
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Subject: [MBZ] 4k 1000 FPS Camera
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Coming to a cinema near you in the future:

http://vimeo.com/63490371

Cool.

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Rich is obviously trying to make this all so very political, e.g., liberals
= bad in many ways and somehow at fault in this tragedy if not for what
they did, but because of their pernicious political views that corrupt
America.  That plays right into my "liberal guilt".

NOT.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> I just reported fresh history as it is being written, no rewrites.
>
> Looks like the older brother (a quiet loner...) was the more radical of
> the two (yes as a follower of mohamet), got the younger one ( a nice kid,
> very friendly, no one saw it coming...) worked up.  They don't appear to be
> "Chechen rebels" as they have lived in Cambridge for like 12 or 13 years
> (older one 14 or so, younger one 6 or 7 when arrived) so I doubt they had
> much to do with Chechnya rebellion. Unclear where the parents are or how
> the kids got here, the uncle seems to be fairly rational, says he has not
> seen them for a while.
>
> The older one was jacked up about the decline of morals and such,
> following a radical Australian Islamic preacher.  So he goes and sets off
> bombs to deal with the moral decline, kills people, go figure. The Chechen
> angle might play into that to some degree but these guys are sorta
> home-grown.
>
> The younger one was wearing a hoodie during the 7-11 holdup prior to the
> murder of the MIT cop.  I wonder if there will be hoodie days in schools
> this go-around, sort of a Trayvon redux.
>
> Yeah, they are white guys, which gives the media a bit of relief but they
> still have to deal with the islamic aspect which will involve considerable
> contortions.  The theme meme is already starting, "What did WE do to them
> to MAKE them act this way?" as expected.  Now of course they lived in
> Cambridge, which is a Domestic Violence-Free Zone, and the center of the
> universe for political correctness, so that is a bit of a disconnect, but
> I'm sure we will discover how they were oppressed or discriminated against.
>
> Note I have spent considerable time in and around their neighborhood,
> Leonard Nimoy grew up around there too.  East Cambridge has always been
> sorta the working-class lower-rent area but is now fairly
> gentrified/yuppified but still not like over around Hahvahd Squah and to
> the west.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 4/19/13 10:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Please don't rewrite history.  I was suitably cautious IIRC, but my final
>> "best guess" was Al Qaeda due to the use of IEDs.  These Chechen rebels
>> may
>> turn out to belong to "Al Qaeda of Europe cell.  Very scary to see
>> normal-looking white guys doing stuff like this.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Rich Thomas]

I just reported fresh history as it is being written, no rewrites.

Looks like the older brother (a quiet loner...) was the more radical of 
the two (yes as a follower of mohamet), got the younger one ( a nice 
kid, very friendly, no one saw it coming...) worked up.  They don't 
appear to be "Chechen rebels" as they have lived in Cambridge for like 
12 or 13 years (older one 14 or so, younger one 6 or 7 when arrived) so 
I doubt they had much to do with Chechnya rebellion. Unclear where the 
parents are or how the kids got here, the uncle seems to be fairly 
rational, says he has not seen them for a while.


The older one was jacked up about the decline of morals and such, 
following a radical Australian Islamic preacher.  So he goes and sets 
off bombs to deal with the moral decline, kills people, go figure. The 
Chechen angle might play into that to some degree but these guys are 
sorta home-grown.


The younger one was wearing a hoodie during the 7-11 holdup prior to the 
murder of the MIT cop.  I wonder if there will be hoodie days in schools 
this go-around, sort of a Trayvon redux.


Yeah, they are white guys, which gives the media a bit of relief but 
they still have to deal with the islamic aspect which will involve 
considerable contortions.  The theme meme is already starting, "What did 
WE do to them to MAKE them act this way?" as expected.  Now of course 
they lived in Cambridge, which is a Domestic Violence-Free Zone, and the 
center of the universe for political correctness, so that is a bit of a 
disconnect, but I'm sure we will discover how they were oppressed or 
discriminated against.


Note I have spent considerable time in and around their neighborhood, 
Leonard Nimoy grew up around there too.  East Cambridge has always been 
sorta the working-class lower-rent area but is now fairly 
gentrified/yuppified but still not like over around Hahvahd Squah and to 
the west.


--R



On 4/19/13 10:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Please don't rewrite history.  I was suitably cautious IIRC, but my final
"best guess" was Al Qaeda due to the use of IEDs.  These Chechen rebels may
turn out to belong to "Al Qaeda of Europe cell.  Very scary to see
normal-looking white guys doing stuff like this.





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Re: [MBZ] Why would I want a GLA?

[WILTON]

ATTABOY!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Kraly" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why would I want a GLA?


According to the FSM CDRom that I read on my HP PC, if I tweak the IP and 
turn up the ALDA on my W124 MB 300TD and run at max  EGT at WOT going 
uphill on I5 while enjoying the comfort of my ACC at 65 degrees, my engine 
could end up being FUBAR!  That's even if I replace the GP's and run Mobil 
1 in my AT!  I'll have to Text AAA via MMS!


Kevin currently in Hillsboro, Oregon

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Please don't rewrite history.  I was suitably cautious IIRC, but my final
"best guess" was Al Qaeda due to the use of IEDs.  These Chechen rebels may
turn out to belong to "Al Qaeda of Europe cell.  Very scary to see
normal-looking white guys doing stuff like this.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> These guys had been in the US since 2000 or 2001 according to their uncle
> (who wishes them dead), one went to UMass Dartmouth.  No one apparently saw
> this coming, thought they were nice regular guys. One of them was recently
> posting stuff about following Allah or something.  You gotta wonder what
> sets these whackjobs off.
>
> Chilling pics here of one of them standing next to little boy who was
> killed, with the backpack right next to him http://www.dailymail.co.uk/**
> news/article-2311616/Boston-**bombings-Chilling-image-shows-**
> year-old-boy-standing-Boston-**bomber-moments-planted-**
> explosive.html#ixzz2QuqnDrFmthen
>  walking off when the bomb goes off.
>
> Not Tea Party anti-tax 2nd amendment protesters, media trying to come to
> grips with that, although "automatic" weapons are involved, so that is
> somewhat comforting.
>
> BOSTON (CBS) -- The uncle of the two men suspected in the Boston Marathon
> bombings  marathon-bombing-suspect-in-**custody-second-at-large/>
> says they had lived together in Cambridge for about a decade.
>
> WBZ-TV spoke with the suspects' uncle, Ruslan Tsarni.
>
> Read: 2nd Uncle Of Bombing Suspects: 'Yesterday He Called Me' <
> http://boston.cbslocal.com/**2013/04/19/2nd-uncle-of-**
> bombing-suspects-yesterday-he-**called-me/
> >
>
> *WATCH NOW:* WBZ-TV Live Coverage  live-video/ >
>
> Tsarni says Dzhokar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev immigrated to the United States
> around 2000 or 2001, and have lived at the same Cambridge address since
> that time.
>
> According to Tsarni, Dzhokar completed high school in Cambridge and was
> attending college somewhere outside of Boston.
>
> Tsarni, who says he hasn't been in touch with the brothers since around
> 2009, tells WBZ-TV he believes that the brothers' parents may have moved
> back to Russia.
>
> He described Tamerlan as a "loser."
>
> Tsarni was shocked when he was informed of the unfolding situation that
> left Tamerlan Tsarnaev dead in a shootout.
>
> "He deserved his. He absolutely deserved his," Tsarni said. "They do not
> deserve to live on this earth."
>
>
>
>
> --R
>
>
> On 4/19/13 9:37 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Yeah. We just don't get it. Deporting Germans and welcoming Chechnyan
>> jihadists. Well done USA.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>>
>> dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
 We Americans seem to be allowing some real "quality" immigrants into
 our country. Not.

>>> The German family that fled to the USA to escape persecution for the
>>> crime of home-schooling their kids got deported because their asylum claim
>>> was denied.
>>> Somehow I think they would have been more productive citizens than our
>>> average immigrants.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Rich Thomas]

These guys had been in the US since 2000 or 2001 according to their 
uncle (who wishes them dead), one went to UMass Dartmouth.  No one 
apparently saw this coming, thought they were nice regular guys. One of 
them was recently posting stuff about following Allah or something.  You 
gotta wonder what sets these whackjobs off.


Chilling pics here of one of them standing next to little boy who was 
killed, with the backpack right next to him 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311616/Boston-bombings-Chilling-image-shows-year-old-boy-standing-Boston-bomber-moments-planted-explosive.html#ixzz2QuqnDrFm 
then walking off when the bomb goes off.


Not Tea Party anti-tax 2nd amendment protesters, media trying to come to 
grips with that, although "automatic" weapons are involved, so that is 
somewhat comforting.


BOSTON (CBS) -- The uncle of the two men suspected in the Boston 
Marathon bombings 
 
says they had lived together in Cambridge for about a decade.


WBZ-TV spoke with the suspects' uncle, Ruslan Tsarni.

Read: 2nd Uncle Of Bombing Suspects: 'Yesterday He Called Me' 



*WATCH NOW:* WBZ-TV Live Coverage 

Tsarni says Dzhokar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev immigrated to the United 
States around 2000 or 2001, and have lived at the same Cambridge address 
since that time.


According to Tsarni, Dzhokar completed high school in Cambridge and was 
attending college somewhere outside of Boston.


Tsarni, who says he hasn't been in touch with the brothers since around 
2009, tells WBZ-TV he believes that the brothers' parents may have moved 
back to Russia.


He described Tamerlan as a "loser."

Tsarni was shocked when he was informed of the unfolding situation that 
left Tamerlan Tsarnaev dead in a shootout.


"He deserved his. He absolutely deserved his," Tsarni said. "They do not 
deserve to live on this earth."





--R

On 4/19/13 9:37 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yeah. We just don't get it. Deporting Germans and welcoming Chechnyan 
jihadists. Well done USA.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:


dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

We Americans seem to be allowing some real "quality" immigrants into our 
country. Not.

The German family that fled to the USA to escape persecution for the crime of 
home-schooling their kids got deported because their asylum claim was denied.
Somehow I think they would have been more productive citizens than our average 
immigrants.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[dseretakis]

Yeah. We just don't get it. Deporting Germans and welcoming Chechnyan 
jihadists. Well done USA.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> We Americans seem to be allowing some real "quality" immigrants into our 
>> country. Not.
> 
> The German family that fled to the USA to escape persecution for the crime of 
> home-schooling their kids got deported because their asylum claim was denied.
> Somehow I think they would have been more productive citizens than our 
> average immigrants.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Rich Thomas]

Live coverage streaming 
http://www.myfoxboston.com/category/262392/boston-marathon


Thousands of cops with all their toys standing around in Cambridge. The 
DRT guy appears to have been a long-time resident of Cambridge, a 
"regular guy."


--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boston suspects

[Mitch Haley]

dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

We Americans seem to be allowing some real "quality" immigrants into our 
country. Not.


The German family that fled to the USA to escape persecution for the crime of 
home-schooling their kids got deported because their asylum claim was denied.
Somehow I think they would have been more productive citizens than our average 
immigrants.


Mitch.

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[MBZ] OT: Shoe Goo

[Jim Cathey]

I used shoe goo again yesterday.  Unusually enough for me,
on _shoes_!  Wife's rubber boot, not old at all, split down
the side.  I roughed/cleaned up the area and used SG to
glue a patch of bicycle inner tube rubber over it.  Not
all that pretty, but maybe will work.  I'm surprised she
threw 'em to me, she of the "new or nothing", but perhaps
it was more in the nature of a bone she was throwing...

-- Jim



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