Re: [MBZ] wifi vs wired - was: parts site?

[Hendrik and Fay]

Yeah but we have a transformer way over there, well at the end of the 
street somewhere.


Hendrik
who just paid his internet bill for the month

On 28/08/13 13:54, Craig wrote:

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:19:17 -0500 Fmiser  wrote:


Hendrik wrote:

Speaking of this internet over power thing, not looked into it
much but doesn't it work on just the one power circuit?

No, but it can't cross a transformer.  So typically this means one
_service_ - that is, it won't reach the neighbors.

Unless several houses share one transformer, like in our neighborhood.


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Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearing fiasco.

[Jim Cathey]

Dimitri hates anything from Japan.
They bombed Pearl Harbor.


Near as I can tell, all the guilty parties are dead now.
Gotta let it go sometime, else hello Middle East, etc.

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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Rick Knoble]

On Aug 27, 2013, at 11:16 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:

> holy crap!  he is one of my facebook friends!


Who? Karl Denninger? He lives in South Florida, I believe. Mitch Haley posted 
something from him years ago and I've been reading his blog ever since. Hat tip 
to Mitch. 

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Re: [MBZ] wifi vs wired - was: parts site?

[Craig]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:19:17 -0500 Fmiser  wrote:

> > Hendrik wrote:
> > 
> > Speaking of this internet over power thing, not looked into it
> > much but doesn't it work on just the one power circuit?
> 
> No, but it can't cross a transformer.  So typically this means one
> _service_ - that is, it won't reach the neighbors.

Unless several houses share one transformer, like in our neighborhood.


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Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearing fiasco.

[Gary Hurst]

true.  and the germans have a pretty clean record during that time frame,
so i can see the point


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> On Aug 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> > japan is the best you can get.  jap crap rocks!
>
>
> Dimitri hates anything from Japan.
>
> They bombed Pearl Harbor.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Telephone service [was: Re: parts site?]

[Craig]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:37:22 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> People building houses on 'off grid' property might pay a five digit
> sum to have a power line run to their new home, but they won't pay it
> for a phone line. The problem with having utilities run to your remote
> location is that it won't be so remote five years from now as everybody
> else builds around you to take advantage of the power line you just
> bought for them.

Which is why we never had power run into our place south of Calhan, CO.
They wanted $16,000 to run the lines -- and then we had to pay for the
electricity, too!!!   :-)


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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Gary Hurst]

holy crap!  he is one of my facebook friends!


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:

> On Aug 27, 2013, at 10:59 PM, "Jim Cathey"  wrote:
>
> >> do you personally know actual people still using the POTS, dan?
> >
> > We use POTS.  Far more reliable and better audio quality
> > than cell, or VOIP here.
>
>
> Ditto.
> Cell phones are convenient, but the call quality just isn't as good.
>
> Karl explains it better than I can.
>
> http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3235455
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Rick Knoble]

On Aug 27, 2013, at 10:59 PM, "Jim Cathey"  wrote:

>> do you personally know actual people still using the POTS, dan?
> 
> We use POTS.  Far more reliable and better audio quality
> than cell, or VOIP here.


Ditto. 
Cell phones are convenient, but the call quality just isn't as good. 

Karl explains it better than I can. 

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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Jim Cathey]

do you personally know actual people still using the POTS, dan?


We use POTS.  Far more reliable and better audio quality
than cell, or VOIP here.

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: parts site?

[Jim Cathey]

So I could run a network over the power lines in my house instead of 
having to run cat5?


Wireless is a _shared_ medium.  CAT5, using the (now-common)
switch is _parallel_.  Wherever possible I recommend wired
installations, for maximum reliability and speed.  A can
converse with B, without impacting in the slightest C's
conversation with D.  If you have your TV sucking up most
of your wifi bandwidth, is there any left for a laptop?
Is your TV feeding off of a stored program, not streaming?
Media server?  Wouldn't affect the wifi at all then.

We have wired all our fixed devices, leaving the wifi
for the roving ones.

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Jim Cathey]

I have heard it recommended that an input filter be
used on formerly-shrapnelled systems.  The flush isn't
always quite good enough.

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Jim Cathey]

I get no flow from the center vents.  Is this caused by the failure of 
the center vacuum pod.


Certainly can be.  MityVac will tell you for sure.


Is there a way to replace this pod without pulling the dash?


Theoretically, but I think it's _really_ hard.  Hole saw,
fiberglass repair, etc.


Can I switch back to R-12 from 134a?


Yes, a thorough flush is req'd.  I did it on SWMBA's 560 SL.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Louie Louie

[Benz Hogs]

Get over it.  I'm almost 2 months from 35, that makes it possible for me 
to have a kid in college


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'98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)

On 8/27/2013 6:46 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Sorry, Zippy.
I guess it's hard to think of you as 15 years older than a college kid.
That's the category I put Curt in.
Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Pearl Fishers Duet

[Andrew Strasfogel]

One is a tenor and the other a bass.

Jussi Bjoerling had an unbelievably sweet, steely tenor voice.  Listen to
Bjoerling and Robert Merrill sing the Pearl Fishers Duet.  Not a dry eye in
the house.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ekaMQP_Fwc




On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

> Agreed, Milnes has a great voice but Domingos is better IMO.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Wifi in a city - was: Telephone service

[Andrew Strasfogel]

That'll do.


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Fmiser  wrote:

> >
> > On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Fmiser  wrote:
> >
> > > > > Craig wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I know of cities where there is NO cell phone reception. A
> > > > > POTS telephone is the only communication option, besides
> > > > > amateur radio.
>
> > > > Andrew wrote, presumably in reply to the above statement:
> > > >
> > > > Name me even one uS city without wifi.
>
> > > Fmiser wrote:
> > >
> > > First, define "city".
>
> > Andrew wrote:
> >
> > A city to me is > 250,000 in population.
>
> > > Then, what do you mean by "city without wifi"?  Public, free
> > > internet access wifi? Or without someone with a wifi router?
> > > Or an ISP providing internet access via wifi?
>
> >  Someone else can answer the other questions.
>
> Err, but you are the one that threw out the challenge.  We now know
> what you mean by city - but if we don't know what you mean by wifi,
> how can we answer?
>
> Wifi is "wireless ethernet".  It simple replaces a CATx cable.
> Wifi does not equal access to the internet.  Internet access is
> provided by some form of connection to an "internet service
> provider" (ISP).  Common methods of connection to an ISP are:
> dialup, DSL, cableTV modem, satellite, radio (wifi, mesh, etc),
> fiber optic.
>
> So are you really asking, "Name me a city without broadband
> internet access"?
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Richard Hattaway]

R-12 is available if you're interested.  Remove the [MBZ] from the subject line 
and drop me an email if you wish.  





 From: Michael Esh 
To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning
 

The coldest temp I could get from my system was 42 degrees from the outside 
vents.  I get no flow from the center vents.  Is this caused by the failure of 
the center vacuum pod.  Is there a way to replace this pod without pulling the 
dash?
Is the industrial R-12 available to a certified mechanic?  Can I get it? Can I 
switch back to R-12 from 134a?  Is there a write up on changing back R-12?

Thanks,
Mike



On Aug 27, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jon Agne wrote:

> SorryI am late to this thread, but I just did all of this.  My R-4 bit 
> the dust last November, so I put it off until the spring, and decided to use 
> ES-12 as my refrigerant.  Bought a new Behr (made by that same company in 
> Dallas) compressor from FCP Euro along with a new drier and expansion valve.  
> I ran out of time in late May, so I took it to my local INDY and had him 
> remove all of the aforementioned parts and do a compete flush.  It worked 
> great for three weeks, and then the compressor imploded.
> 
> Compressor was replaced under warranty, and they even sent me another drier.  
> Another flush, and this time I used the Industrial ES-12.  Followed the 
> directions, and I have had the BEST cooling for the best 2.5 months.  I'm in 
> Atlanta now, and I feel great in my car.
> 
> Hope it all works out for you.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> 
>> those e are the ones to get , gerry.  they are arguably the real delcos, at
>> least i would argue so.  nobody really sells them on the online front end
>> catalogs as az sells the sort of OK behr's for 250 and you can't sell these
>> for that price as they cost about that wholesale.  just another example of
>> hhow the chase for low prices yields the poorest value
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
>> 
>>> What's your opinion on the R-4 clones made in Dallas/FW?  Bought one from
>>> Rusty last year and it seems to do better than the GM R-4 compressor bought
>>> about the same time.
>>> Gerry.in Florida where compressors get a workout
>>> 
>>> From: "Gary Hurst" 
>>> 
 i think i can manage that.  you maybe have been put into clown parts or
 maybe just bad like or maybe something else going on.  without speculating
 on that, i'll send you some info privately
 
 
 On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Michael Esh  wrote:
 
 The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2
> years ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a
> professional.  not me.
> 
> Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing?
> 
> Jabba, can you supply me with a quality compressor, dryer and expansion
> valve for a reasonable price?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Re: [MBZ] Alternator to wiring harness connector

[Frederick Moir]

Gerry.
I have a alternator connector from an 190E 1985, with about 30" of wire 
attached. I think they are common. two large  and one small connectors in a 
plastic
housing with provision for a bail to secure it. Yours if it will fit and you 
want it.
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.



>
> From: Gerry Archer 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:38 PM
>Subject: [MBZ] Alternator to wiring harness connector
> 
>
>The plastic connector that hooks the wiring harness to the alternator in the 
>'83 300D is cracked.  Are replacements available?  If not, does anyone know 
>where I can find one other than a PNP which is about 100 miles distant?
>If not, it looks like standard female spade connectors might work?
>
>Thanks,
>Gerry 
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Rick Knoble]

On Aug 27, 2013, at 8:41 PM, "Mike Esh"  wrote:

> Thanks Rick.  The more knowledge I have the more dangerous I become. Please 
> send them along at your convenience.


I will attempt to put them in a zip file and send them or maybe put them in my 
public DropBox folder. 

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Mike Esh]

Thanks Rick.  The more knowledge I have the more dangerous I become. Please 
send them along at your convenience. 
Mike

Michael E. Esh
231-286-2344


On Aug 27, 2013, at 9:29 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> By the way, I have a bunch of emails dating back to 2006 regarding Mercedes 
> A/C systems in my archives. I can forward them to you if you want.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearing fiasco.

[G Mann]

IF the bearing race or rollers are discolored or pitted, it is already a
failed bearing. REPLACE I




On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:28 PM,  wrote:

> While finally getting to my front brake job, I encountered a failing
> drivers side wheel bearing. There was discoloration and shallow pitting on
> the outboard race. BTW, how much longer would this bearing take to actually
> fail?
> Needing the car back on the road I went to my local autozone and picked up
> a set of timken front bearings, inboard and outboard. I paid $30 for the
> pair. I happily took them back home only to discover that the outboard
> bearing was too small!
> I then traveled to my local MB dealership and picked up a front bearing
> kit. I bargained them down by 20% and paid $117 for the kit from their full
> retail of $147. I still overpaid but as I said I can't continue to have
> this car off the road!
> The outboard bearing was made in Germany, but sadly the inboard was made
> in Japan. Also with the kit came a new grease seal, grease cap, radio
> interference spring ( I needed one anyway) and spindle nut locking bolt.
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Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearing fiasco.

[Rick Knoble]

On Aug 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:

> japan is the best you can get.  jap crap rocks!


Dimitri hates anything from Japan. 

They bombed Pearl Harbor. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Rick Knoble]

By the way, I have a bunch of emails dating back to 2006 regarding Mercedes A/C 
systems in my archives. I can forward them to you if you want.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearing fiasco.

[Gary Hurst]

japan is the best you can get.  jap crap rocks!


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 8:28 PM,  wrote:

> While finally getting to my front brake job, I encountered a failing
> drivers side wheel bearing. There was discoloration and shallow pitting on
> the outboard race. BTW, how much longer would this bearing take to actually
> fail?
> Needing the car back on the road I went to my local autozone and picked up
> a set of timken front bearings, inboard and outboard. I paid $30 for the
> pair. I happily took them back home only to discover that the outboard
> bearing was too small!
> I then traveled to my local MB dealership and picked up a front bearing
> kit. I bargained them down by 20% and paid $117 for the kit from their full
> retail of $147. I still overpaid but as I said I can't continue to have
> this car off the road!
> The outboard bearing was made in Germany, but sadly the inboard was made
> in Japan. Also with the kit came a new grease seal, grease cap, radio
> interference spring ( I needed one anyway) and spindle nut locking bolt.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT power line ethernet

[Fmiser]

> Kaleb wrote:
> 
> So on this discussion of this power line home ethernet deal, what 
> I am wanting to do is have a line from my upstairs office down to 
> the main TV area in the living room and have a router there to 
> then connect the TV, sat box, and DVD to it, in addition to
> having a wifi access point there.  So does anybody know if this
> power line thing can serve the purpose of connecting the router
> upstairs to the router downstairs?  So in other words multiple
> devices would be coming thru that line.  Or is it strictly for
> extending the network so 1 computer.

Here is a $35 product from newegg.  It is rated for 200 Mbps, which
is the same as the old standard 100baseT "fast ethernet".
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704164

Prices go up from there.

Regarding the terminology.  A "router" is a device that function as
a "gate keeper" between two separate networks - like the internet
and your in-the-house local network.  It often has firewall
functions too.  

An "ethernet switch" is effectively a "smart hub" and for none
administrators just know that a "switch" is better than a "hub" -
but hubs are now hard to find.  This devise functions like a
telephone switchboard allowing all the devices plugged into it to
"talk" to each other.

A "wifi access point" is a device that links wifi and wired.

A very common device is a "wifi router" that is a combination of
router, ethernet switch, and wifi access point.

So - it seems you have a router in the office.  This is the gate
keeper between your house and the outside world.  It probably has 5
or so ethernet connections on it - 4 for inside, 1 for outside.
Maybe it has WIFI on it too.

For the living room to have internet access, you need to connect
the router.  If 
 * the office router has WIFI
 * the signal is strong enough
 * every living room device has WIFI

then you are all set.  If not, (you don't want to trust the WIFI
signal), then you will need more equipment.  

If the office has WIFI and it covers the living room well, then you
won't need another access point.  

If you have multiple devices in the living room, then you probably
need an ethernet switch.

To connect the living room to the office, you need a CAT5 (or
greater) cable - or equivalent.  If there is a practical cable
path, I would recommend CAT6 cable.  Otherwise, one of those
ethernet-over-power-wires could work.  Another option is a
"backwards" access point that will turn WIFI back into wired that
can be connected to the living room switch.

Attached is a quick sketch.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] wifi vs wired - was: parts site?

[Fmiser]

> Hendrik wrote:
> 
> Speaking of this internet over power thing, not looked into it
> much but doesn't it work on just the one power circuit?

No, but it can't cross a transformer.  So typically this means one
_service_ - that is, it won't reach the neighbors.

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Jon Agne]

What Rick said!

My system had been changed over (half-a** job) by the prior owner. R-134a was 
in the system, the low pressure conx was 134, but the hi press conx was still 
r-12.  Go figure.  I was never happy with the AC before the compressor died so 
I decided to change back to R-12.. In the meantime, I learned about Enviro-safe 
products.  Use the Industrial ES-12.  It really does make a difference, and 
cools much better than the 134a or plain ES-12.  The drawback is that it has to 
be shipped as hazmat.  I think it's worth it.  R-12 is good also, but it's WAY 
.

Jon


On Aug 27, 2013, at 8:38 PM, Michael Esh wrote:

> The coldest temp I could get from my system was 42 degrees from the outside 
> vents.  I get no flow from the center vents.  Is this caused by the failure 
> of the center vacuum pod.  Is there a way to replace this pod without pulling 
> the dash?
> Is the industrial R-12 available to a certified mechanic?  Can I get it? Can 
> I switch back to R-12 from 134a?  Is there a write up on changing back R-12?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 27, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jon Agne wrote:
> 
>> SorryI am late to this thread, but I just did all of this.  My R-4 bit 
>> the dust last November, so I put it off until the spring, and decided to use 
>> ES-12 as my refrigerant.  Bought a new Behr (made by that same company in 
>> Dallas) compressor from FCP Euro along with a new drier and expansion valve. 
>>  I ran out of time in late May, so I took it to my local INDY and had him 
>> remove all of the aforementioned parts and do a compete flush.  It worked 
>> great for three weeks, and then the compressor imploded.
>> 
>> Compressor was replaced under warranty, and they even sent me another drier. 
>>  Another flush, and this time I used the Industrial ES-12.  Followed the 
>> directions, and I have had the BEST cooling for the best 2.5 months.  I'm in 
>> Atlanta now, and I feel great in my car.
>> 
>> Hope it all works out for you.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>> 
>>> those e are the ones to get , gerry.  they are arguably the real delcos, at
>>> least i would argue so.  nobody really sells them on the online front end
>>> catalogs as az sells the sort of OK behr's for 250 and you can't sell these
>>> for that price as they cost about that wholesale.  just another example of
>>> hhow the chase for low prices yields the poorest value
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Gerry Archer 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 What's your opinion on the R-4 clones made in Dallas/FW?  Bought one from
 Rusty last year and it seems to do better than the GM R-4 compressor bought
 about the same time.
 Gerry.in Florida where compressors get a workout
 
 From: "Gary Hurst" 
 
> i think i can manage that.  you maybe have been put into clown parts or
> maybe just bad like or maybe something else going on.  without speculating
> on that, i'll send you some info privately
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Michael Esh  wrote:
> 
> The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2
>> years ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a
>> professional.  not me.
>> 
>> Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing?
>> 
>> Jabba, can you supply me with a quality compressor, dryer and expansion
>> valve for a reasonable price?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Rick Knoble]

On Aug 27, 2013, at 8:09 PM, "Rick Knoble"  wrote:

> Jon used *ES-12* and *Industrial ES-12*. It is butane/propane mix that Jim 
> Cathey uses.


It appears that they call it r-134a replacement now. Understandable, 
considering r12 hasn't been used in two decades now. It is the same as ES12. 
You can email or call them for details. 

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Rick Knoble]

On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:38 PM, "Michael Esh"  wrote:

> Is the industrial R-12 available to a certified mechanic?  Can I get it? Can 
> I switch back to R-12 from 134a?  Is there a write up on changing back R-12?


Jon used *ES-12* and *Industrial ES-12*. It is butane/propane mix that Jim 
Cathey uses. 

http://www.es-refrigerants.com/

http://www.es-refrigerants.com/resources/faq/

http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0081T3PP4

Cheapest to buy factory direct, I would think. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Scott Ritchey]

I changed a center vent vac pod on a 79 TD without removing the dash.  It
wasn't fun and I got lots of cuts and scrapes on my hands and arms. YMMV.

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Esh
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

The coldest temp I could get from my system was 42 degrees from the outside
vents.  I get no flow from the center vents.  Is this caused by the failure
of the center vacuum pod.  Is there a way to replace this pod without
pulling the dash?
Is the industrial R-12 available to a certified mechanic?  Can I get it? Can
I switch back to R-12 from 134a?  Is there a write up on changing back R-12?

Thanks,
Mike



On Aug 27, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jon Agne wrote:

> SorryI am late to this thread, but I just did all of this.  My R-4 bit
the dust last November, so I put it off until the spring, and decided to use
ES-12 as my refrigerant.  Bought a new Behr (made by that same company in
Dallas) compressor from FCP Euro along with a new drier and expansion valve.
I ran out of time in late May, so I took it to my local INDY and had him
remove all of the aforementioned parts and do a compete flush.  It worked
great for three weeks, and then the compressor imploded.
> 
> Compressor was replaced under warranty, and they even sent me another
drier.  Another flush, and this time I used the Industrial ES-12.  Followed
the directions, and I have had the BEST cooling for the best 2.5 months.
I'm in Atlanta now, and I feel great in my car.
> 
> Hope it all works out for you.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> 
>> those e are the ones to get , gerry.  they are arguably the real delcos,
at
>> least i would argue so.  nobody really sells them on the online front end
>> catalogs as az sells the sort of OK behr's for 250 and you can't sell
these
>> for that price as they cost about that wholesale.  just another example
of
>> hhow the chase for low prices yields the poorest value
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Gerry Archer
wrote:
>> 
>>> What's your opinion on the R-4 clones made in Dallas/FW?  Bought one
from
>>> Rusty last year and it seems to do better than the GM R-4 compressor
bought
>>> about the same time.
>>> Gerry.in Florida where compressors get a workout
>>> 
>>> From: "Gary Hurst" 
>>> 
 i think i can manage that.  you maybe have been put into clown parts or
 maybe just bad like or maybe something else going on.  without
speculating
 on that, i'll send you some info privately
 
 
 On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Michael Esh 
wrote:
 
 The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2
> years ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a
> professional.  not me.
> 
> Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing?
> 
> Jabba, can you supply me with a quality compressor, dryer and
expansion
> valve for a reasonable price?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Re: [MBZ] Telephone service [was: Re: parts site?]

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:

No
cell service, no Internet, nada. THey did have a road and electricity,
which does beg the question of why there were no POTS lines, other than $.


People building houses on 'off grid' property might pay a five digit sum to have 
a power line run to their new home, but they won't pay it for a phone line. The 
problem with having utilities run to your remote location is that it won't be so 
remote five years from now as everybody else builds around you to take advantage 
of the power line you just bought for them.


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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Michael Esh]

The coldest temp I could get from my system was 42 degrees from the outside 
vents.  I get no flow from the center vents.  Is this caused by the failure of 
the center vacuum pod.  Is there a way to replace this pod without pulling the 
dash?
Is the industrial R-12 available to a certified mechanic?  Can I get it? Can I 
switch back to R-12 from 134a?  Is there a write up on changing back R-12?

Thanks,
Mike



On Aug 27, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jon Agne wrote:

> SorryI am late to this thread, but I just did all of this.  My R-4 bit 
> the dust last November, so I put it off until the spring, and decided to use 
> ES-12 as my refrigerant.  Bought a new Behr (made by that same company in 
> Dallas) compressor from FCP Euro along with a new drier and expansion valve.  
> I ran out of time in late May, so I took it to my local INDY and had him 
> remove all of the aforementioned parts and do a compete flush.  It worked 
> great for three weeks, and then the compressor imploded.
> 
> Compressor was replaced under warranty, and they even sent me another drier.  
> Another flush, and this time I used the Industrial ES-12.  Followed the 
> directions, and I have had the BEST cooling for the best 2.5 months.  I'm in 
> Atlanta now, and I feel great in my car.
> 
> Hope it all works out for you.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> 
>> those e are the ones to get , gerry.  they are arguably the real delcos, at
>> least i would argue so.  nobody really sells them on the online front end
>> catalogs as az sells the sort of OK behr's for 250 and you can't sell these
>> for that price as they cost about that wholesale.  just another example of
>> hhow the chase for low prices yields the poorest value
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
>> 
>>> What's your opinion on the R-4 clones made in Dallas/FW?  Bought one from
>>> Rusty last year and it seems to do better than the GM R-4 compressor bought
>>> about the same time.
>>> Gerry.in Florida where compressors get a workout
>>> 
>>> From: "Gary Hurst" 
>>> 
 i think i can manage that.  you maybe have been put into clown parts or
 maybe just bad like or maybe something else going on.  without speculating
 on that, i'll send you some info privately
 
 
 On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Michael Esh  wrote:
 
 The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2
> years ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a
> professional.  not me.
> 
> Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing?
> 
> Jabba, can you supply me with a quality compressor, dryer and expansion
> valve for a reasonable price?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
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[MBZ] Alternator to wiring harness connector

[Gerry Archer]

The plastic connector that hooks the wiring harness to the alternator in the 
'83 300D is cracked.  Are replacements available?  If not, does anyone know 
where I can find one other than a PNP which is about 100 miles distant?

If not, it looks like standard female spade connectors might work?

Thanks,
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[MBZ] Wheel bearing fiasco.

[dseretakis]

While finally getting to my front brake job, I encountered a failing drivers 
side wheel bearing. There was discoloration and shallow pitting on the outboard 
race. BTW, how much longer would this bearing take to actually fail?
Needing the car back on the road I went to my local autozone and picked up a 
set of timken front bearings, inboard and outboard. I paid $30 for the pair. I 
happily took them back home only to discover that the outboard bearing was too 
small! 
I then traveled to my local MB dealership and picked up a front bearing kit. I 
bargained them down by 20% and paid $117 for the kit from their full retail of 
$147. I still overpaid but as I said I can't continue to have this car off the 
road! 
The outboard bearing was made in Germany, but sadly the inboard was made in 
Japan. Also with the kit came a new grease seal, grease cap, radio interference 
spring ( I needed one anyway) and spindle nut locking bolt.

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

'Responded to you off list, Tim, including photos.

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Crone" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


Wilton, I've been out of it for a while, but if you are really going to 
let

it go for scrap please let me know how much it comes to; maybe I could
spring for it and use the winter to move my engine over.

Best,
-Tim



On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM, WILTON  wrote:


I agree, it is, indeed, a shame.  There's really more to it than one sees
at a glance or that one can express or read on an internet forum.  I've
nursed this car for 17 years since the timing chain broke and I learned
about its "rod-bender" rep.  'Lost confidence in it less than a year 
after

I bought it (for BIG money) 18+ years ago and haven't felt really
comfortable with it since the TC break, etc.  I've now spent most of this
summer (since early May) fussing over this car (the additional crap from
Trent certainly didn't help any, either).  Yes, the coolant leak problem
may be fairly simple and relatively easy to overcome, but I think there's
much more.  There are some other major things that I need to deal with,
too, such as repairs to the house we live in plus some significant 
repairs

and updating to a rental house we own (tenant who was in the house for 33
years moved 'bout 3 weeks ago).

BTW, SWMBO (surprisingly) has been thus far very "accommodating" about 
the

dead/useless car sitting in the yard - 'hasn't bugged me about it at all.

BTW, I'll "throw in" with ya on the lottery ticket, but I'm finished with
the car after I get some stuff off it that still has value to me - can 
use

the cruise control amp, for example, right now on the 124.
Oh, just remembered - it has nearly $75 worth of fuel in it.  That, too,
will work very nicely in the 124.  ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" >
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:39 PM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


 Well it seems a shame to crush or part-out a nice car with a fairly 
small
problem (realizing it could be more than that) that requires a bit of 
time
and effort to sort (neither of which either of us have in abundance, one 
or

the other or both) so that is my dilemma.  It could be a fun project.

--R (who is going to buy a lottery ticket this evening)


On 8/24/13 12:32 PM, WILTON wrote:


I do appreciate the concern and the effort, but I wouldn't buy it back
with that engine it; now, with a low miles 603.960 engine in it, it 
could

be a different matter.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" >
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


 no, need to source that new head and get it running again, then I will
sell it back to you for a hefty profit.  Can't do that with parts 
missing.


--R


On 8/24/13 11:58 AM, WILTON wrote:


Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 

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Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


 I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.


--R


On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:


$1200; bring a trailer soon.

'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds
grow up around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D 
off it

soon and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.

Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise
control, etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)
Good tires, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Jon Agne]

SorryI am late to this thread, but I just did all of this.  My R-4 bit the 
dust last November, so I put it off until the spring, and decided to use ES-12 
as my refrigerant.  Bought a new Behr (made by that same company in Dallas) 
compressor from FCP Euro along with a new drier and expansion valve.  I ran out 
of time in late May, so I took it to my local INDY and had him remove all of 
the aforementioned parts and do a compete flush.  It worked great for three 
weeks, and then the compressor imploded.

Compressor was replaced under warranty, and they even sent me another drier.  
Another flush, and this time I used the Industrial ES-12.  Followed the 
directions, and I have had the BEST cooling for the best 2.5 months.  I'm in 
Atlanta now, and I feel great in my car.

Hope it all works out for you.

Jon


On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

> those e are the ones to get , gerry.  they are arguably the real delcos, at
> least i would argue so.  nobody really sells them on the online front end
> catalogs as az sells the sort of OK behr's for 250 and you can't sell these
> for that price as they cost about that wholesale.  just anotehr example of
> hhow the chase for low prices yields the poorest value
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
> 
>> What's your opinion on the R-4 clones made in Dallas/FW?  Bought one from
>> Rusty last year and it seems to do better than the GM R-4 compressor bought
>> about the same time.
>> Gerry.in Florida where compressors get a workout
>> 
>> From: "Gary Hurst" 
>> 
>>> i think i can manage that.  you maybe have been put into clown parts or
>>> maybe just bad like or maybe something else going on.  without speculating
>>> on that, i'll send you some info privately
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Michael Esh  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2
 years ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a
 professional.  not me.
 
 Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing?
 
 Jabba, can you supply me with a quality compressor, dryer and expansion
 valve for a reasonable price?
 
 Thanks,
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[MBZ] POTS (no opera content)

[Rick Hawkins Java]

Folks,

In athens georgia, i got DSL service probably 20 years ago right  
downtown  got it at home, about 8 blocks from the central office,  
a few years later.


We still have an ATT landline with slowest DSL. Our ATT cell service  
isn't particularly robust, especially in the summer when there are a  
lot of leaves on the trees, altho we're a few blocks from the center  
of the town.


My service is supposed to be something like 1.4 mbps but usually runs  
about 1.2 during the daytime hours. I've made video calls all over the  
world with ichat and skype for probably 15 years or more. It works  
pretty well.


Last night i talked for an hour on an ipad, connected wirelessly to  
the network (g router), using skype. I was not supplying video since  
it was a first get ipad, but he was and the video was pretty solid.


Down on tybee island (by savannah) we have a house and the neighbor  
who supplies me with internet wirelessly, just changed to uverse. It  
is faster than the previous 8 mbps dsl BUT speed varies a lot and in  
the month or so that he's had it, it's was  out several times, for a  
minute or for a day or so. I'm not sold on uverse.


I think they also gave him a UPS battery backup for the modem/router


thanks,

xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[OK Don]

Yup, basicaly it's turning the grid into a giant antenna system,
broadcasting ipcs of naked ladies across the universe.


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Fmiser  wrote:

> > Gary wrote:
> >
> > wasn't there some plan to transmit internet along the electricity
> > wires?
>
> A dreadful idea, especially with regard to radio noise.
>
> --Philip
>
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Re: [MBZ] Headed to Florida for new truck

[Rick Knoble]

On Aug 27, 2013, at 10:57 AM, "Michael Canfield"  wrote:

> So.  Made it home today.  The 250 rocks!


Two questions for you. 1. $2500 is a good deal. How did you find it? 2. Are you 
planning on running it on WVO?

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] wifi vs wired - was: parts site?

[Craig]

On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:29:23 +0930 Hendrik and Fay 
wrote:

> Speaking of this internet over power thing, not looked into it much but 
> doesn't it work on just the one power circuit?

They are supposed to work on circuits connected to the same power panel.


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Re: [MBZ] Internet power parts site?

[Craig]

On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:22:34 +0930 Hendrik and Fay 
wrote:

> Our federal government is spending a shipload of money on upgrading the 
> infrastructure http://www.nbn.gov.au/
> My worry is that by the time it's done, there will be technology 
> available that is much cheaper and as good, such as internet via power 
> lines or super wi-fi.

They are running fiber optics. That should be the major cost and will be
future-proof, though the electronics may need to be upgraded from time to
time.


> It does amaze me when I think how much they can push through the old 
> telephone line, back in 95 when I first went online, it was 28.8k dial 
> up, now it's ADSL2, which does the job for my needs.

It is amazing, isn't it?


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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

How much are they?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> the rebuilts are awful and ubiquitous behr unit is crappy.  i tend to sell
> the ones that are made by the guys who bought the delco tooling
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Scott Ritchey  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> The scuttlebutt a couple years ago was that reman R4 compressors weren't
>> worth the trouble. Are you running R12 or R134A?  R-12 uses mineral oil,
>> which is benign. There is an issue with one type of oil used with 134 which
>> kills AC systems fast.  As I recall, it generates acid when it meets H2O.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael
>> Esh
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:05 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning
>> 
>> The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2
>> years
>> ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a professional.
>> not me.
>> 
>> Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing?
>> 
>> Jabba, can you supply me with a quality compressor, dryer and expansion
>> valve for a reasonable price?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] wifi vs wired - was: parts site?

[Hendrik and Fay]

Yes it is convenient, when you got kids you can't go without it, phones, 
tablets, laptops, gaming consoles, even the printer, all on wi-fi.
The only things plugged into the net are my ancient desktop and the pay 
TV, which is hooked up via net over power.
Speaking of this internet over power thing, not looked into it much but 
doesn't it work on just the one power circuit?


Hendrik
who is surrounded by technology

On 28/08/13 08:15, Fmiser wrote:

Richard wrote:

So why don't you put in a wireless router?  Only cat cable I have
in my house is the run from the cable modem to the wireless
router.  Almost everything else runs on wi-fi.

Wifi is slow and unreliable compared to copper wire.  But it can be
convenient.  Wifi is typically faster than the connection to the
internet.  But I do a lot of internal network stuff (LAN) and a
CAT5 cable is easily 10 to 100 times faster than wifi.  When I'm
transferring a 10 Gbi file I like using copper wires.

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Re: [MBZ] Telephone service [was: Re: parts site?]

[OK Don]

A few years ago when we were rolling out wireless connectivity across
Oklahoma, we found a couple of communities in the S.E. corner that did not
have POTS yet. They relied on CB radio to call from one ridge to the next
one, where someone would use thier POTS to make the call. I don't remember
if they had the radios hooked to the phones on the receiving end or not. No
cell service, no Internet, nada. THey did have a road and electricity,
which does beg the question of why there were no POTS lines, other than $.


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Fmiser  wrote:
>
> > > > Craig wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I know of cities where there is NO cell phone reception. A POTS
> > telephone
> > > > is the only communication option, besides amateur radio.
> >
> > > Andrew wrote, I presum in reply to the above statement :
> > >
> > > Name me even one uS city without wifi.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] NSR Re: 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Gary Hurst]

it is possible, but alex is correct that there can't be any crap in the
system from the old compressor blowing up

i had an old york once blow up pretty impressively!


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Michael Esh  wrote:

> I did have the system cleaned and flushed with last install.  I do not
> believe I had a quality compressor
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>
> > On Aug 27, 2013 4:23 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2
> > years ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a
> > professional.  not me.
> >>>
> >
> > Isn't this usually indicative of crud in the system from a dead
> compressor
> > killing the next one?  Should flush the whole system, not just replace
> > parts.  And put in a genuinely new compressor, not a rebuild.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Gary Hurst]

i don't even know if anyone is even selling rebuilt R4s anymore as those
ALL failed in a hurry


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> You want a brand new one not rebuilt when dealing with the r4 compressor.
>
>
> On 8/27/2013 5:04 PM, Michael Esh wrote:
>
>> The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2
>> years ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a
>> professional.  not me.
>>
>> Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing?
>>
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>> valve for a reasonable price?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Internet power parts site?

[Hendrik and Fay]

Our federal government is spending a shipload of money on upgrading the 
infrastructure http://www.nbn.gov.au/
My worry is that by the time it's done, there will be technology 
available that is much cheaper and as good, such as internet via power 
lines or super wi-fi.
It does amaze me when I think how much they can push through the old 
telephone line, back in 95 when I first went online, it was 28.8k dial 
up, now it's ADSL2, which does the job for my needs.


Hendrik
who has been online for 18 years

On 28/08/13 03:45, Dan Penoff wrote:

Ethernet can be transmitted over power distribution, but only within an area 
defined by that distribution system. When it hits something like a transformer 
the signal won't get through, so you're stuck with working within a part of the 
system only.

That's why the Ethernet over power works in your house, but not beyond it.

There may be more advanced forms of the technology out there, but in not 
familiar with them.



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Re: [MBZ] NSR Re: 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Michael Esh]

I did have the system cleaned and flushed with last install.  I do not believe 
I had a quality compressor


On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

> On Aug 27, 2013 4:23 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2
> years ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a
> professional.  not me.
>>> 
> 
> Isn't this usually indicative of crud in the system from a dead compressor
> killing the next one?  Should flush the whole system, not just replace
> parts.  And put in a genuinely new compressor, not a rebuild.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Gary Hurst]

those e are the ones to get , gerry.  they are arguably the real delcos, at
least i would argue so.  nobody really sells them on the online front end
catalogs as az sells the sort of OK behr's for 250 and you can't sell these
for that price as they cost about that wholesale.  just anotehr example of
hhow the chase for low prices yields the poorest value


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

> What's your opinion on the R-4 clones made in Dallas/FW?  Bought one from
> Rusty last year and it seems to do better than the GM R-4 compressor bought
> about the same time.
> Gerry.in Florida where compressors get a workout
>
> From: "Gary Hurst" 
>
>> i think i can manage that.  you maybe have been put into clown parts or
>> maybe just bad like or maybe something else going on.  without speculating
>> on that, i'll send you some info privately
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Michael Esh  wrote:
>>
>>  The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2
>>> years ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a
>>> professional.  not me.
>>>
>>> Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing?
>>>
>>> Jabba, can you supply me with a quality compressor, dryer and expansion
>>> valve for a reasonable price?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] OT Louie Louie

[Mitch Haley]

Benz Hogs wrote:

I got that :) Most of the college age kids aren't being forced :)


Sorry, Zippy.
I guess it's hard to think of you as 15 years older than a college kid.
That's the category I put Curt in.
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Re: [MBZ] OT power line ethernet

[Greg Fiorentino]

I use one of the 100 mb/s units, and it works fine for browsing.  I would
suggest a faster one for streaming video.  It works just like a piece of
cable, so you can connect whatever to it (router, switch etc.)

Greg

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Striplin
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:18 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] OT power line ethernet

So on this discussion of this power line home ethernet deal, what I am
wanting to do is have a line from my upstairs office down to the main TV
area in the living room and have a router there to then connect the TV, sat
box, and DVD to it, in addition to having a wifi access point there.  So
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connecting the router upstairs to the router downstairs?  So in other words
multiple devices would be coming thru that line.  Or is it strictly for
extending the network so 1 computer.

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Gary Hurst]

the rebuilts are awful and ubiquitous behr unit is crappy.  i tend to sell
the ones that are made by the guys who bought the delco tooling


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Scott Ritchey  wrote:

>
> The scuttlebutt a couple years ago was that reman R4 compressors weren't
> worth the trouble. Are you running R12 or R134A?  R-12 uses mineral oil,
> which is benign. There is an issue with one type of oil used with 134 which
> kills AC systems fast.  As I recall, it generates acid when it meets H2O.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Esh
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:05 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning
>
> The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2
> years
> ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a professional.
> not me.
>
> Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing?
>
> Jabba, can you supply me with a quality compressor, dryer and expansion
> valve for a reasonable price?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Re: [MBZ] NSR Re: 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Aug 27, 2013 4:23 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2
years ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a
professional.  not me.
>>

Isn't this usually indicative of crud in the system from a dead compressor
killing the next one?  Should flush the whole system, not just replace
parts.  And put in a genuinely new compressor, not a rebuild.

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Re: [MBZ] OT power line ethernet

[Craig]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:00:41 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> So does it run faster, slower, or the same as cat5?

"Ordinary" Cat-5 runs 100 megabits/second (Mbps -- note bits not bytes).
Most of the ones listed on Newegg say 200 Mbps; some say 500 Mbps.


On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:17:57 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:


> So on this discussion of this power line home ethernet deal, what 
> I am wanting to do is have a line from my upstairs office down to 
> the main TV area in the living room and have a router there to 
> then connect the TV, sat box, and DVD to it, in addition to having 
> a wifi access point there.  So does anybody know if this power 
> line thing can serve the purpose of connecting the router upstairs 
> to the router downstairs?  So in other words multiple devices 
> would be coming thru that line.  Or is it strictly for extending 
> the network so 1 computer.

Anything you can stuff onto one Cat-5 cable you can put onto a
ethernet-over-powerline adapter. The individual devices put their traffic
on the cable simultaneously with different addresses; they don't care
what the transmission medium is.

So, yes, you can do what you want.


Craig

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[MBZ] NSR Re: 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Dieselhead]

The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 
2 years ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a 
professional.  not me.


Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing?


Thanks,
Mike


The noise to signal ratio on here is quite bad.  It bypassed snr a 
few weeks ago.   It is now nsr.


 Autohaus az should be a good source.  noplace outside of bumster's 
boss' home is hotter than AZ./NV.  I hope you get a good compressor 
mike.


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[MBZ] OT power line ethernet

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

So on this discussion of this power line home ethernet deal, what 
I am wanting to do is have a line from my upstairs office down to 
the main TV area in the living room and have a router there to 
then connect the TV, sat box, and DVD to it, in addition to having 
a wifi access point there.  So does anybody know if this power 
line thing can serve the purpose of connecting the router upstairs 
to the router downstairs?  So in other words multiple devices 
would be coming thru that line.  Or is it strictly for extending 
the network so 1 computer.


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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Michael Esh]

R134a

On Aug 27, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

> 
> The scuttlebutt a couple years ago was that reman R4 compressors weren't
> worth the trouble. Are you running R12 or R134A?  R-12 uses mineral oil,
> which is benign. There is an issue with one type of oil used with 134 which
> kills AC systems fast.  As I recall, it generates acid when it meets H2O.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Esh
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:05 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning
> 
> The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2 years
> ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a professional.
> not me.
> 
> Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing? 
> 
> Jabba, can you supply me with a quality compressor, dryer and expansion
> valve for a reasonable price?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Gerry Archer]

What's your opinion on the R-4 clones made in Dallas/FW?  Bought one from 
Rusty last year and it seems to do better than the GM R-4 compressor bought 
about the same time.

Gerry.in Florida where compressors get a workout

From: "Gary Hurst" 

i think i can manage that.  you maybe have been put into clown parts or
maybe just bad like or maybe something else going on.  without speculating
on that, i'll send you some info privately


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Michael Esh  wrote:


The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2
years ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a
professional.  not me.

Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing?

Jabba, can you supply me with a quality compressor, dryer and expansion
valve for a reasonable price?

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

You want a brand new one not rebuilt when dealing with the r4 
compressor.


On 8/27/2013 5:04 PM, Michael Esh wrote:

The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2 years 
ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a professional.  not 
me.

Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing?

Jabba, can you supply me with a quality compressor, dryer and expansion valve 
for a reasonable price?

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

So does it run faster, slower, or the same as cat5?
On 8/27/2013 2:28 PM, Craig wrote:

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:19:43 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:


On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:13 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
wrote:


So I could run a network over the power lines in my house instead of
having to run cat5?

Absolutely.

Most of my house is wired with CAT6 but the back portion doesn't have
enough clearance in the attic for me to get to the interior walls. My
oldest son likes to game online and often bitched about his wireless
connection, despite being about 10 feet away from one of the access
points, so he bought one of the Ethernet over power setups.

One node plugs in to a receptacle right next to my core switch and the
other to a receptacle in his room. He claims it's faster but I
personally doubt it.

With our painting and moving and changing room functions around, I have
been thinking about using that option for my "new" office instead of
crawling up into our horrible attic and running Cat V cable.


Craig

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[MBZ] Pearl Fishers Duet

[Gerry Archer]

Agreed, Milnes has a great voice but Domingos is better IMO.
Gerry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psz_KxTLbxY

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Re: [MBZ] wifi vs wired - was: parts site?

[Fmiser]

> Richard wrote:
> 
> So why don't you put in a wireless router?  Only cat cable I have
> in my house is the run from the cable modem to the wireless
> router.  Almost everything else runs on wi-fi.

Wifi is slow and unreliable compared to copper wire.  But it can be
convenient.  Wifi is typically faster than the connection to the
internet.  But I do a lot of internal network stuff (LAN) and a
CAT5 cable is easily 10 to 100 times faster than wifi.  When I'm
transferring a 10 Gbi file I like using copper wires.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] "free" WiFi WAS: Telephone service

[Fmiser]

> Dieselhead wrote:
> 
> >Name me even one uS city without wifi.
> 
> AFIK, NO city in the usa provides WiFi.
> 
> Wireless internet hotspots are available in lots of places, even
> in the "city" but they are provided at the expense of private
> citizens or companies, not by the city.

There is a city in the northwest (Portland, or Seattle maybe?) that
at least used to provide citywide wifi internet access.  The
details are escaping me, though.

*pauses email to google*

Looks like maybe it was Seattle.  But not anymore.  They shut it
down last year.
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/thinking-tech/seattle-ends-free-wi-fi/11546

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Wifi in a city - was: Telephone service

[Fmiser]

> 
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Fmiser  wrote:
> 
> > > > Craig wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I know of cities where there is NO cell phone reception. A
> > > > POTS telephone is the only communication option, besides
> > > > amateur radio.

> > > Andrew wrote, presumably in reply to the above statement:
> > >
> > > Name me even one uS city without wifi.

> > Fmiser wrote:
> >
> > First, define "city".

> Andrew wrote:
> 
> A city to me is > 250,000 in population.

> > Then, what do you mean by "city without wifi"?  Public, free
> > internet access wifi? Or without someone with a wifi router?
> > Or an ISP providing internet access via wifi?

>  Someone else can answer the other questions.

Err, but you are the one that threw out the challenge.  We now know
what you mean by city - but if we don't know what you mean by wifi,
how can we answer?

Wifi is "wireless ethernet".  It simple replaces a CATx cable.
Wifi does not equal access to the internet.  Internet access is
provided by some form of connection to an "internet service
provider" (ISP).  Common methods of connection to an ISP are:
dialup, DSL, cableTV modem, satellite, radio (wifi, mesh, etc),
fiber optic.

So are you really asking, "Name me a city without broadband
internet access"?

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Scott Ritchey]

The scuttlebutt a couple years ago was that reman R4 compressors weren't
worth the trouble. Are you running R12 or R134A?  R-12 uses mineral oil,
which is benign. There is an issue with one type of oil used with 134 which
kills AC systems fast.  As I recall, it generates acid when it meets H2O.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Esh
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:05 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2 years
ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a professional.
not me.

Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing? 

Jabba, can you supply me with a quality compressor, dryer and expansion
valve for a reasonable price?

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Gary Hurst]

i think i can manage that.  you maybe have been put into clown parts or
maybe just bad like or maybe something else going on.  without speculating
on that, i'll send you some info privately


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Michael Esh  wrote:

> The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2
> years ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a
> professional.  not me.
>
> Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing?
>
> Jabba, can you supply me with a quality compressor, dryer and expansion
> valve for a reasonable price?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Re: [MBZ] 2013-2014 Lyric Opera of Chicago season

[Benz Hogs]

Puccini is also the best to sing.  Gorgeous melodies, tons of emotion, 
and he knows what vowel to give us when high or low, long or pitterpatter.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)

On 8/27/2013 2:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I gotta put in a plug for Puccini.  For sheer beauty and drama, no opera
music beats Tosca.  The ensemble with Scarpia at the end of Act I of Tosca
blows me away every time I listen.  The love duet in Boheme Act I seemingly
lasts forever, but it's so glorious you never want it to end.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:


otello is probably the only verdi opera i didn't like.  if you love
parsifal, then attend on the 19th to ask jonas kaufmann why to explain why
someone told you parsifal at the met sucked so bad but was so good here i
chicago



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Re: [MBZ] OT Louie Louie

[Benz Hogs]

I got that :) Most of the college age kids aren't being forced :)

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)

On 8/27/2013 7:43 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Benz Hogs wrote:

Not in Chicago.  I'm 10-15 years or more older than the youngest every
performance I've seen at the Lyric.


I think Gary said 'voluntary' attendance.

Mitch


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[MBZ] 1984 300D Air conditioning

[Michael Esh]

The ac compressor in my 300D just failed again.  I put a new unit in 2 years 
ago with new dryer and expansion valve.   This was done by a professional.  not 
me.

Is there a specific brand compressor I should be purchasing? 

Jabba, can you supply me with a quality compressor, dryer and expansion valve 
for a reasonable price?

Thanks,
Mike
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[MBZ] "free" WiFi WAS: Telephone service

[Dieselhead]

Name me even one uS city without wifi.


AFIK, NO city in the usa provides WiFi.

Wireless internet hotspots are available in lots of places, even in 
the "city" but they are provided at the expense of private citizens 
or companies, not by the city.


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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Scott Ritchey]

Me, for one.  

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Hurst
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 1:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] parts site?

do you personally know actual people still using the POTS, dan?  any idea
how many still exist?


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Also know in the industry as "POTS".
>
> Plain Old Telephone System
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Scott Ritchey]

Yes.  Or do WiFi.  The IP over power lines setups I've seen are
point-to-point.  WiFi is multipoint and addressed by the router.

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Striplin
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:14 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] parts site?

So I could run a network over the power lines in my house instead of having
to run cat5?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Ethernet can be transmitted over power distribution, but only within an
area defined by that distribution system. When it hits something like a
transformer the signal won't get through, so you're stuck with working
within a part of the system only.
> 
> That's why the Ethernet over power works in your house, but not beyond it.
> 
> There may be more advanced forms of the technology out there, but in not
familiar with them.
> 
> Just remember:
> 
> "All people seem to need data processing"
> 
> Or
> 
> "Please do not throw sausage pizza away"
> 
> And my personal favorite:
> 
> "Please do not touch Superman's private area"
> 
> Dan OSI model Man
> 
> On Aug 27, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> 
>> the lesson here is not to fall prey to the idea that things are
universally
>> one way just because they are that way for you
>> 
>> a violin maker had a shop in my old neighborhood in georiga.  if that's
>> where you grew up and always lived, it would easy to think that violin
>> makers were everywhere
>> 
>> wasn't there some plan to transmit internet along the electricity wires?
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Alex Chamberlain
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2013 10:08 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
 
 i've always lived in very major urban areas so this is all foreign to
me.
 you haven no access to high speed internet?  does this mean you are on
 dialup too?
>>> 
>>> I have 3 Mbps DSL.  It's fast enough for Google or Skype voice-only
calls,
>>> but not for video.  I could get the DSL without phone service, but it
goes
>>> down often enough that I feel it's worth paying for the POTS as a an
>>> emergency backup.
>>> 
>>> A surprising percentage of the USA--30 or 40%?--is still on dialup, last
I
>>> heard.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Richard Hattaway]

So why don't you put in a wireless router?  Only cat cable I have in my house 
is the run from the cable modem to the wireless router.  Almost everything else 
runs on wi-fi.


I say 'almost' because I do have a cell phone system that requires connection 
to the internet, and it is hard wired to the router.  My server is also hard 
wired, but only because the router sits on top of it.

Laptops, a desktop, all the pads, and my TV all run on wireless.

I thought this was more common than free long distance.  I guess that living in 
the woods in Smallsbury, 65 miles from the nearest >250,000 'city' is not so 
bad ?? 




 From: Fmiser 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] parts site?
 

> Kaleb wrote:
> 
> So I could run a network over the power lines in my house instead
> of having to run cat5?

Yes - but you spend money on the equipment - and being electronics
it has a much higher failure rate than copper wire.

So - save time and effort (over power) or money (CATx cable).  You
pick. *smiles*

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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Gerry Archer]

Same here in the West Central Florida backwoods.  DSL  runs Youtube okay 
except during peak hours when speed gets down to 700K.  Would probably have 
ditched the telephone service but for the "I'vefallenandIcan'tgetup" service 
daughter wants me to have with a company that wants a copper wire 
connection.

Gerry

From: "Rich Thomas" 

Plain Old Telephone SERVICE
I have it, to get my DSL out here on the fringe of America.  I know there 
is a TV/Net cable running down the road right out in front of my driveway 
but the local monopoly, whatever it is today, says I can't get it.


--R


On 8/27/13 1:00 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

do you personally know actual people still using the POTS, dan?  any idea
how many still exist?


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:


Also know in the industry as "POTS".

Plain Old Telephone System



Sent from my iPad

On Aug 27, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Craig  wrote:


On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 12:38:19 -0400 Gary Hurst 
wrote:


are you saying you have a "land line" like old school copper wire ATT
exchange like 100 year ago or just that you have some sort of home
phone?

"land line" == copper wire from a central office to the house; it comes
   with or without DSL.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Fmiser]

> Kaleb wrote:
> 
> So I could run a network over the power lines in my house instead
> of having to run cat5?

Yes - but you spend money on the equipment - and being electronics
it has a much higher failure rate than copper wire.

So - save time and effort (over power) or money (CATx cable).  You
pick. *smiles*

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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Rich Thomas]

Plain Old Telephone SERVICE

I have it, to get my DSL out here on the fringe of America.  I know 
there is a TV/Net cable running down the road right out in front of my 
driveway but the local monopoly, whatever it is today, says I can't get it.


--R


On 8/27/13 1:00 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

do you personally know actual people still using the POTS, dan?  any idea
how many still exist?


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:


Also know in the industry as "POTS".

Plain Old Telephone System



Sent from my iPad

On Aug 27, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Craig  wrote:


On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 12:38:19 -0400 Gary Hurst 
wrote:


are you saying you have a "land line" like old school copper wire ATT
exchange like 100 year ago or just that you have some sort of home
phone?

"land line" == copper wire from a central office to the house; it comes
   with or without DSL.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Mitch Haley]

Gary Hurst wrote:

do you personally know actual people still using the POTS, dan?  any idea
how many still exist?


There's a digital switch 1/2 mile from me, I think it's about a year old.

ATT's web site would sell me either UVERSE phone (overpriced VOIP) or POTS, only 
TV offerings were from satellite.


UVERSE installer told me that POTS was legacy, and they weren't doing new 
installs of POTS in my area. Next week when the POTS installer finally got here, 
he told me that UVERSE phone and TV was only for areas with the faster UVERSE 
service, mine is limited to ADSL2 at 3mb/second. Anyway, POTS gives me perfect 
sound, works during a power failure, and I get unlimited local outgoing calls. 
UVERSE would have given me VOIP quality and only something like 50 outgoing 
calls for about the same price, but those 50 calls could be anywhere, not just 
local.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Mitch Haley]

Fmiser wrote:

Gary wrote:

wasn't there some plan to transmit internet along the electricity
wires?


A dreadful idea, especially with regard to radio noise.


Allegedly it wipes out GPS, and that's keeping it from implementation.

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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Mitch Haley]

Craig wrote:

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Richard Hattaway
 wrote:


I guess I live under a rock.  What phone company does not supply free
long distance service to home phones now?? 


I never heard of that offer. Which phone companies do offer that?

I have CenturyLink (was QWest) and can see how they would want to keep
that hidden.


It's not free, it's part of a package so you don't see the cost (or it's VOIP, 
which I am NOT willing to pay $20-40 a month for).


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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Aug 27, 2013 7:26 AM, "Craig"  wrote:


I find toll free numbers very helpful. I can make a free call from my
home land line.



Ditto.  Not everyone uses their cell phone for everything--at home I don't
get very good reception,  so I use the land line.


I've got long distance blocked on my land line, so I use Google Voice to make my 
long distance calls from home.


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Re: [MBZ] 2013-2014 Lyric Opera of Chicago season

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I gotta put in a plug for Puccini.  For sheer beauty and drama, no opera
music beats Tosca.  The ensemble with Scarpia at the end of Act I of Tosca
blows me away every time I listen.  The love duet in Boheme Act I seemingly
lasts forever, but it's so glorious you never want it to end.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> otello is probably the only verdi opera i didn't like.  if you love
> parsifal, then attend on the 19th to ask jonas kaufmann why to explain why
> someone told you parsifal at the met sucked so bad but was so good here i
> chicago
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Benz Hogs 
> wrote:
>
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> > :)
> >
> > Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> > '98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)
> >
> >
> >
> >  Original Message 
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> > Date:   26 Aug 2013 15:32:24 -0700
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> >
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] 2013-2014 Lyric Opera of Chicago season

[Dan Penoff]

Sherril Milnes made me a Puccini fanboy. I first saw him in Tosca at the 
Florentine, and have been hooked on Puccini ever since.

Dan

On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

> I gotta put in a plug for Puccini.  For sheer beauty and drama, no opera
> music beats Tosca.  The ensemble with Scarpia at the end of Act I of Tosca
> blows me away every time I listen.  The love duet in Boheme Act I seemingly
> lasts forever, but it's so glorious you never want it to end.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> 
>> otello is probably the only verdi opera i didn't like.  if you love
>> parsifal, then attend on the 19th to ask jonas kaufmann why to explain why
>> someone told you parsifal at the met sucked so bad but was so good here i
>> chicago
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Benz Hogs 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Here's what I have to look forward this year, 9 miles from my front door.
>>> :)
>>> 
>>> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
>>> '98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Original Message 
>>> Subject:Our fantastic 2013/14 season—plus a free concert Sept. 7!
>>> Date:   26 Aug 2013 15:32:24 -0700
>>> From:   Lyric Opera of Chicago >> announceme...@lyricopera.org<
>> lyric-online-express-announceme...@lyricopera.org>
 
>>> To:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Craig]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:19:43 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:13 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> wrote:
> 
> > So I could run a network over the power lines in my house instead of
> > having to run cat5?
>
> Absolutely.
> 
> Most of my house is wired with CAT6 but the back portion doesn't have
> enough clearance in the attic for me to get to the interior walls. My
> oldest son likes to game online and often bitched about his wireless
> connection, despite being about 10 feet away from one of the access
> points, so he bought one of the Ethernet over power setups.
> 
> One node plugs in to a receptacle right next to my core switch and the
> other to a receptacle in his room. He claims it's faster but I
> personally doubt it.

With our painting and moving and changing room functions around, I have
been thinking about using that option for my "new" office instead of
crawling up into our horrible attic and running Cat V cable.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well now that I have uverse been watching some Netflix steaming and the DVD 
player with Netflix is always dropping the wifi connection and random and 
having to buffer a lot, other times it works fine. I have the uverse router 
upstairs but I do no routing thru it, I have my net gear n router behind it and 
it works fine except for to the cheap DVD player. So I was going to run a cat5 
downstairs and either put my netgear router or a different router at the main 
tv to hook DVD and sat box to instead of using wifi. May look into this power 
line deal, don't think I have heard o that before

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Absolutely.
> 
> Most of my house is wired with CAT6 but the back portion doesn't have enough 
> clearance in the attic for me to get to the interior walls. My oldest son 
> likes to game online and often bitched about his wireless connection, despite 
> being about 10 feet away from one of the access points, so he bought one of 
> the Ethernet over power setups.
> 
> One node plugs in to a receptacle right next to my core switch and the other 
> to a receptacle in his room. He claims it's faster but I personally doubt it.
> 
> I think his problem was with the crappy Verizon router dropping packets over 
> the wireless.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:13 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
> 
>> So I could run a network over the power lines in my house instead of having 
>> to run cat5?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ethernet can be transmitted over power distribution, but only within an 
>>> area defined by that distribution system. When it hits something like a 
>>> transformer the signal won't get through, so you're stuck with working 
>>> within a part of the system only.
>>> 
>>> That's why the Ethernet over power works in your house, but not beyond it.
>>> 
>>> There may be more advanced forms of the technology out there, but in not 
>>> familiar with them.
>>> 
>>> Just remember:
>>> 
>>> "All people seem to need data processing"
>>> 
>>> Or
>>> 
>>> "Please do not throw sausage pizza away"
>>> 
>>> And my personal favorite:
>>> 
>>> "Please do not touch Superman's private area"
>>> 
>>> Dan OSI model Man
>>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>>> 
 the lesson here is not to fall prey to the idea that things are universally
 one way just because they are that way for you
 
 a violin maker had a shop in my old neighborhood in georiga.  if that's
 where you grew up and always lived, it would easy to think that violin
 makers were everywhere
 
 wasn't there some plan to transmit internet along the electricity wires?
 
 
 On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Alex Chamberlain
 wrote:
 
> On Aug 27, 2013 10:08 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>> 
>> i've always lived in very major urban areas so this is all foreign to me.
>> you haven no access to high speed internet?  does this mean you are on
>> dialup too?
> 
> I have 3 Mbps DSL.  It's fast enough for Google or Skype voice-only calls,
> but not for video.  I could get the DSL without phone service, but it goes
> down often enough that I feel it's worth paying for the POTS as a an
> emergency backup.
> 
> A surprising percentage of the USA--30 or 40%?--is still on dialup, last I
> heard.
> 
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Telephone service [was: Re: parts site?]

[Andrew Strasfogel]

A city to me is > 250,000 in population.  Someone else can answer the other
questions.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Fmiser  wrote:

> > > Craig wrote:
> > >
> > > I know of cities where there is NO cell phone reception. A POTS
> telephone
> > > is the only communication option, besides amateur radio.
>
> > Andrew wrote, I presum in reply to the above statement :
> >
> > Name me even one uS city without wifi.
>
> First, define "city".
>
> Then, what do you mean by "city without wifi"?  Public, free
> internet access wifi? Or without someone with a wifi router?  Or an
> ISP providing internet access via wifi?
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Gary Hurst]

i still like to be plugged right into the router


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Absolutely.
>
> Most of my house is wired with CAT6 but the back portion doesn't have
> enough clearance in the attic for me to get to the interior walls. My
> oldest son likes to game online and often bitched about his wireless
> connection, despite being about 10 feet away from one of the access points,
> so he bought one of the Ethernet over power setups.
>
> One node plugs in to a receptacle right next to my core switch and the
> other to a receptacle in his room. He claims it's faster but I personally
> doubt it.
>
> I think his problem was with the crappy Verizon router dropping packets
> over the wireless.
>
> Dan
>
> On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:13 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> wrote:
>
> > So I could run a network over the power lines in my house instead of
> having to run cat5?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 27, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >
> >> Ethernet can be transmitted over power distribution, but only within an
> area defined by that distribution system. When it hits something like a
> transformer the signal won't get through, so you're stuck with working
> within a part of the system only.
> >>
> >> That's why the Ethernet over power works in your house, but not beyond
> it.
> >>
> >> There may be more advanced forms of the technology out there, but in
> not familiar with them.
> >>
> >> Just remember:
> >>
> >> "All people seem to need data processing"
> >>
> >> Or
> >>
> >> "Please do not throw sausage pizza away"
> >>
> >> And my personal favorite:
> >>
> >> "Please do not touch Superman's private area"
> >>
> >> Dan OSI model Man
> >>
> >> On Aug 27, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >>
> >>> the lesson here is not to fall prey to the idea that things are
> universally
> >>> one way just because they are that way for you
> >>>
> >>> a violin maker had a shop in my old neighborhood in georiga.  if that's
> >>> where you grew up and always lived, it would easy to think that violin
> >>> makers were everywhere
> >>>
> >>> wasn't there some plan to transmit internet along the electricity
> wires?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Alex Chamberlain
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  On Aug 27, 2013 10:08 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
> >
> > i've always lived in very major urban areas so this is all foreign
> to me.
> > you haven no access to high speed internet?  does this mean you are
> on
> > dialup too?
> 
>  I have 3 Mbps DSL.  It's fast enough for Google or Skype voice-only
> calls,
>  but not for video.  I could get the DSL without phone service, but it
> goes
>  down often enough that I feel it's worth paying for the POTS as a an
>  emergency backup.
> 
>  A surprising percentage of the USA--30 or 40%?--is still on dialup,
> last I
>  heard.
> 
>  Alex
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Dan Penoff]

Absolutely.

Most of my house is wired with CAT6 but the back portion doesn't have enough 
clearance in the attic for me to get to the interior walls. My oldest son likes 
to game online and often bitched about his wireless connection, despite being 
about 10 feet away from one of the access points, so he bought one of the 
Ethernet over power setups.

One node plugs in to a receptacle right next to my core switch and the other to 
a receptacle in his room. He claims it's faster but I personally doubt it.

I think his problem was with the crappy Verizon router dropping packets over 
the wireless.

Dan

On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:13 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

> So I could run a network over the power lines in my house instead of having 
> to run cat5?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 27, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
>> Ethernet can be transmitted over power distribution, but only within an area 
>> defined by that distribution system. When it hits something like a 
>> transformer the signal won't get through, so you're stuck with working 
>> within a part of the system only.
>> 
>> That's why the Ethernet over power works in your house, but not beyond it.
>> 
>> There may be more advanced forms of the technology out there, but in not 
>> familiar with them.
>> 
>> Just remember:
>> 
>> "All people seem to need data processing"
>> 
>> Or
>> 
>> "Please do not throw sausage pizza away"
>> 
>> And my personal favorite:
>> 
>> "Please do not touch Superman's private area"
>> 
>> Dan OSI model Man
>> 
>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>> 
>>> the lesson here is not to fall prey to the idea that things are universally
>>> one way just because they are that way for you
>>> 
>>> a violin maker had a shop in my old neighborhood in georiga.  if that's
>>> where you grew up and always lived, it would easy to think that violin
>>> makers were everywhere
>>> 
>>> wasn't there some plan to transmit internet along the electricity wires?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Alex Chamberlain
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 On Aug 27, 2013 10:08 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
> 
> i've always lived in very major urban areas so this is all foreign to me.
> you haven no access to high speed internet?  does this mean you are on
> dialup too?
 
 I have 3 Mbps DSL.  It's fast enough for Google or Skype voice-only calls,
 but not for video.  I could get the DSL without phone service, but it goes
 down often enough that I feel it's worth paying for the POTS as a an
 emergency backup.
 
 A surprising percentage of the USA--30 or 40%?--is still on dialup, last I
 heard.
 
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

So I could run a network over the power lines in my house instead of having to 
run cat5?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Ethernet can be transmitted over power distribution, but only within an area 
> defined by that distribution system. When it hits something like a 
> transformer the signal won't get through, so you're stuck with working within 
> a part of the system only.
> 
> That's why the Ethernet over power works in your house, but not beyond it.
> 
> There may be more advanced forms of the technology out there, but in not 
> familiar with them.
> 
> Just remember:
> 
> "All people seem to need data processing"
> 
> Or
> 
> "Please do not throw sausage pizza away"
> 
> And my personal favorite:
> 
> "Please do not touch Superman's private area"
> 
> Dan OSI model Man
> 
> On Aug 27, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> 
>> the lesson here is not to fall prey to the idea that things are universally
>> one way just because they are that way for you
>> 
>> a violin maker had a shop in my old neighborhood in georiga.  if that's
>> where you grew up and always lived, it would easy to think that violin
>> makers were everywhere
>> 
>> wasn't there some plan to transmit internet along the electricity wires?
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Alex Chamberlain
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2013 10:08 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
 
 i've always lived in very major urban areas so this is all foreign to me.
 you haven no access to high speed internet?  does this mean you are on
 dialup too?
>>> 
>>> I have 3 Mbps DSL.  It's fast enough for Google or Skype voice-only calls,
>>> but not for video.  I could get the DSL without phone service, but it goes
>>> down often enough that I feel it's worth paying for the POTS as a an
>>> emergency backup.
>>> 
>>> A surprising percentage of the USA--30 or 40%?--is still on dialup, last I
>>> heard.
>>> 
>>> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I live way out in the country. The only option was a wireless radio network 
service, sat, or dialup. I had the first one for many years only ran 1mb. Then 
the trees grew up and signal dropped. Switched to exceed abuut a year ago, runs 
12mb but I often beat that sometimes by quite a bit. Problem is it is 
expensive, 139 a month for 25gb a month. Just last week uverse is now available 
and I just had that installed Saturday. I got the 18mb plan but it usually runs 
about 12, is much cheaper and seems faster because it does not have the 
700-1000ms ping time like sat.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2013, at 12:08 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> i've always lived in very major urban areas so this is all foreign to me.
> you haven no access to high speed internet?  does this mean you are on
> dialup too?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Alex Chamberlain
> wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2013 9:45 AM, "Craig"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 12:38:19 -0400 Gary Hurst 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 are you saying you have a "land line" like old school copper wire ATT
 exchange like 100 year ago or just that you have some sort of home
 phone?
>>> 
>>> "land line" == copper wire from a central office to the house; it comes
>>>   with or without DSL.
>> 
>> Yes, exactly.  That is my only option for a wired phone line.  Neither
>> fiber (Verizon) nor cable (Comcast) will come to my house unless all my
>> neighbors decide they want it too.  This is pretty standard outside major
>> cities in the West.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Telephone service [was: Re: parts site?]

[Fmiser]

> > Craig wrote:
> >
> > I know of cities where there is NO cell phone reception. A POTS telephone
> > is the only communication option, besides amateur radio.

> Andrew wrote, I presum in reply to the above statement :
> 
> Name me even one uS city without wifi.

First, define "city". 

Then, what do you mean by "city without wifi"?  Public, free
internet access wifi? Or without someone with a wifi router?  Or an
ISP providing internet access via wifi?

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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Fmiser]

> Gary wrote:
> 
> wasn't there some plan to transmit internet along the electricity
> wires?

A dreadful idea, especially with regard to radio noise.

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Re: [MBZ] Telephone service [was: Re: parts site?]

[Gary Hurst]

the claim being made is  that their wifi is only available through copper
line DSL and/or that it is not adequately reliable to trust for phone
service.  they feel they cannot or ought not become independent from the
POTS


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> Name me even one uS city without wifi.
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > a world without wifi?  terrifying!
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Craig  wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:05:15 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Aug 27, 2013 9:45 AM, "Craig"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "land line" == copper wire from a central office to the house; it
> > > > > comes with or without DSL.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, exactly.  That is my only option for a wired phone line.
>  Neither
> > > > fiber (Verizon) nor cable (Comcast) will come to my house unless all
> my
> > > > neighbors decide they want it too.  This is pretty standard outside
> > > > major cities in the West.
> > >
> > > I know of cities where there is NO cell phone reception. A POTS
> telephone
> > > is the only communication option, besides amateur radio.
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 2013-2014 Lyric Opera of Chicago season

[Gary Hurst]

otello is probably the only verdi opera i didn't like.  if you love
parsifal, then attend on the 19th to ask jonas kaufmann why to explain why
someone told you parsifal at the met sucked so bad but was so good here i
chicago


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> Here's what I have to look forward this year, 9 miles from my front door.
> :)
>
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>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Telephone service [was: Re: parts site?]

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Name me even one uS city without wifi.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> a world without wifi?  terrifying!
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Craig  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:05:15 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > On Aug 27, 2013 9:45 AM, "Craig"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "land line" == copper wire from a central office to the house; it
> > > > comes with or without DSL.
> > >
> > > Yes, exactly.  That is my only option for a wired phone line.  Neither
> > > fiber (Verizon) nor cable (Comcast) will come to my house unless all my
> > > neighbors decide they want it too.  This is pretty standard outside
> > > major cities in the West.
> >
> > I know of cities where there is NO cell phone reception. A POTS telephone
> > is the only communication option, besides amateur radio.
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Fw: Fw: Murphy

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I particularly loved the very last entry.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Craig  wrote:

> *Murphy's Technology Laws *
>
> Murphy's Technology Law #1
>   -- You can never tell which way the train went by looking at the track.
>
> Murphy's Technology Law #2
>   -- Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with
>  confidence.
>
> Murphy's Technology Law #3
>   -- Technology is dominated by those who manage what they do not
>  understand.
>
> Murphy's Technology Law #4
>   -- If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then
>  the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.
>
> Murphy's Technology Law #5
>   -- All great discoveries are made by mistake.
>
> Murphy's Technology Law #6
>   -- Nothing ever gets built on schedule or within budget.
>
> Murphy's Technology Law #7
>   -- All's well that ends ... period.
>
> Murphy's Technology Law #8
>   -- A meeting is an event at which minutes are kept and hours are lost.
>
> Murphy's Technology Law #9
>   -- The first myth of management is that it exists.
>
> Murphy's Technology Law #10
>   -- A failure will not appear until a unit has passed final inspection.
>
> Murphy's Technology Law #11
>   -- New systems generate new problems.
>
> Murphy's Technology Law #12
>   -- Any given program, when running, is obsolete.
>
> Murphy's Technology Law #13
>   -- A computer makes as many mistakes in two seconds as 20 men working
>  20 years.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Gary Hurst]

oh, man, if you live in monroe, you are just one town past atlanta
suburbs.  hang on there as 80 meg fibre is probably just a few miles away!
i lived in snellville, 2 towns over (unless you count "between" as a town,
which it isn't, but it's just between) and i was on fibre years ago.

i'm sure old jakob will tell you his horse is more reliable than some fancy
motorcar as well!

and it was nice to communicate with you here in email


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:13 PM,  wrote:

> Gary,
> Let's see about those kids and pads/phones. They get on blogs and fame
> each other as they've lost communication/conversation skills. And then
> let's look at service outages. I live in a valley so my cell is not a home
> use phone. I have cable which goes out sometimes with bad lightning storms.
> But...my copper wire phone service is almost never out, even when the
> electricity is out, which would also stop my modem/router from working and
> I think cable based phone service.
> So, while the items you mention maybe make their owners smile and feel
> good, I still prefer the stuff that has a higher reliability rating, at
> least with me. And yes, I prefer to speak with people, not text, email, or
> blog them. Just old school I guess, but not an Amish farmer.
> Best Wishes,
>
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Dan Penoff]

Ethernet can be transmitted over power distribution, but only within an area 
defined by that distribution system. When it hits something like a transformer 
the signal won't get through, so you're stuck with working within a part of the 
system only.

That's why the Ethernet over power works in your house, but not beyond it.

There may be more advanced forms of the technology out there, but in not 
familiar with them.

Just remember:

"All people seem to need data processing"

Or

"Please do not throw sausage pizza away"

And my personal favorite:

"Please do not touch Superman's private area"

Dan OSI model Man

On Aug 27, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> the lesson here is not to fall prey to the idea that things are universally
> one way just because they are that way for you
> 
> a violin maker had a shop in my old neighborhood in georiga.  if that's
> where you grew up and always lived, it would easy to think that violin
> makers were everywhere
> 
> wasn't there some plan to transmit internet along the electricity wires?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Alex Chamberlain
> wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2013 10:08 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> i've always lived in very major urban areas so this is all foreign to me.
>>> you haven no access to high speed internet?  does this mean you are on
>>> dialup too?
>>> 
>> 
>> I have 3 Mbps DSL.  It's fast enough for Google or Skype voice-only calls,
>> but not for video.  I could get the DSL without phone service, but it goes
>> down often enough that I feel it's worth paying for the POTS as a an
>> emergency backup.
>> 
>> A surprising percentage of the USA--30 or 40%?--is still on dialup, last I
>> heard.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[rogerhga]

Gary, 
Let's see about those kids and pads/phones. They get on blogs and fame each 
other as they've lost communication/conversation skills. And then let's look at 
service outages. I live in a valley so my cell is not a home use phone. I have 
cable which goes out sometimes with bad lightning storms. But...my copper wire 
phone service is almost never out, even when the electricity is out, which 
would also stop my modem/router from working and I think cable based phone 
service. 
So, while the items you mention maybe make their owners smile and feel good, I 
still prefer the stuff that has a higher reliability rating, at least with me. 
And yes, I prefer to speak with people, not text, email, or blog them. Just old 
school I guess, but not an Amish farmer. 
Best Wishes, 

Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Gary Hurst]

the lesson here is not to fall prey to the idea that things are universally
one way just because they are that way for you

a violin maker had a shop in my old neighborhood in georiga.  if that's
where you grew up and always lived, it would easy to think that violin
makers were everywhere

wasn't there some plan to transmit internet along the electricity wires?


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Aug 27, 2013 10:08 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
> >
> > i've always lived in very major urban areas so this is all foreign to me.
> > you haven no access to high speed internet?  does this mean you are on
> > dialup too?
> >
>
> I have 3 Mbps DSL.  It's fast enough for Google or Skype voice-only calls,
> but not for video.  I could get the DSL without phone service, but it goes
> down often enough that I feel it's worth paying for the POTS as a an
> emergency backup.
>
> A surprising percentage of the USA--30 or 40%?--is still on dialup, last I
> heard.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Telephone service [was: Re: parts site?]

[Gary Hurst]

a world without wifi?  terrifying!


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:05:15 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
>  wrote:
>
> > On Aug 27, 2013 9:45 AM, "Craig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > "land line" == copper wire from a central office to the house; it
> > > comes with or without DSL.
> >
> > Yes, exactly.  That is my only option for a wired phone line.  Neither
> > fiber (Verizon) nor cable (Comcast) will come to my house unless all my
> > neighbors decide they want it too.  This is pretty standard outside
> > major cities in the West.
>
> I know of cities where there is NO cell phone reception. A POTS telephone
> is the only communication option, besides amateur radio.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Aug 27, 2013 10:08 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> i've always lived in very major urban areas so this is all foreign to me.
> you haven no access to high speed internet?  does this mean you are on
> dialup too?
>

I have 3 Mbps DSL.  It's fast enough for Google or Skype voice-only calls,
but not for video.  I could get the DSL without phone service, but it goes
down often enough that I feel it's worth paying for the POTS as a an
emergency backup.

A surprising percentage of the USA--30 or 40%?--is still on dialup, last I
heard.

Alex
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