Re: [MBZ] W124 cruise controls
I seem to be the odd man out here but i've always felt that the CC system in my '87 300D was the least surge-y of any car I've driven. Other cars seem to be constantly on and off the throttle when cruise is active, even on a level road. No, our '86 SDL's cruise was (is?) nearly perfect in operation. Kicks the stuffing out of our 10-year-newer pickup. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
Yes, it does (at least with MB's). I only know of one engine MB USA permitted regular unleaded in, the 3.8L M116. Cool, I'm sure it is! The E250 BT's 0-60 time is the same as the '94 E420 I had (7.1 sec)! Waiting for the mpg reports to start coming in! The 46mpg hwy Cruze diesel, apparently can get up into the high 50's straight highway! Have you had a chance to look at/test drive the new CLA? Rated 38mpg hwy, not bad! On 9/23/2013 9:24 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: It really makes more sense to compare diesel to premium gas, since most of the gas versions of these cars require it. I've driven the E250 bluetec... its really quite a car. Its hard to believe its only a 4 cylinder when driving it, its very powerful. Jaime -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Mercedes-Benz TV: MAGIC BODY CONTROL TV commercial Chicken
Cool commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLwML2PagbY As part of Mercedes-Benz Intelligent Drive MAGIC BODY CONTROL ensures optimum driving comfort. Find out more at: http://www5.mercedes-benz.com/en/innovation/magic-body-control-s-class-suspension/ ** The '14 S-Class is finally up on the site! Have fun building away! I will have to look up the Part No. for the Cabin fragrance system, so my room can smell like an S-Class! http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/build/class-S/model-S550V#appearance -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] changing 123 300TD rear springs
You don't need them for the rear springs on the W123 sedan. The fronts are a VERY DIFFERENT story! Craig And you've got to do something with the calipers or hoses to let the suspension down far enough to get the springs out. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] changing 123 300TD rear springs
Very easy, no spring compressor required. I've done both sedan and TD. The springs are under less then 1 of compression held by the shocks with the wheels off the ground so not much pressure there. It's best to undo the hoses at the top of the shocks while the car is on the ground. Make sure you cover the ends of the hoses and the fitting on the shock to keep dirt out. Then lift the car and disconnect the brake hoses and the outer swaybar ends. Put a jack under the control arm, lift a couple of inches and undo the top fastener of the shock, let the jack down and undo the bottom of the shock and drop it out the bottom of the arm. Remove spring. When you put it back together the toughest part is getting the shock to stay extended while you try to put it in from the bottom and then while you get inside and fasten the top. Get new rubber spring cups for the top of the spring as well as new top shock mount kits. I used the thickest cups I could find (19mm?). I couldn't order the exact spring type I wanted just generic one size fits all available any more. Manfred Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 19:21:26 -0400 From: Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com Folks How hard is it to change 123 300TD rear springs? do i need the spring compressor? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] changing 123 300TD rear springs
the lesjofors are swedish but they aren't that good, or, at least, people aren't very happy with them. they are super cheap so even i could sell them at the AZ price. i'd be inclined to avoid them unless i could find no alternative i'd take a long look at just getting genuine springs instead if they aren't too inconvenient to get. in aftermarket, i'd be most interested in bilstein springs. in some of their verbiage, bilstein seems to be making a connection between these springs and eibach, but i don't have a handle at this moment as to what that relationship is what is wrong with your old springs? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: Folks How hard is it to change 123 300TD rear springs? do i need the spring compressor? how are Lesjofers from sweden? sweedish steel?? https://www.autohausaz.com/**search/product.aspx?sid=** y1xuii55upsbrn55k5sssmzd**partnumber=W0133-1622978https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=y1xuii55upsbrn55k5sssmzdpartnumber=W0133-1622978 thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
3.79 - 3.13 = .66 .66 / 3.13 = .21 or 21% -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:50:19 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY Message-ID: CAC35L=sbmtcrr7vnhzc+8g_aewrutwhhoqf9n+akvsx2nmz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
I took the Jetta to work today and its the same thing, hard to believe its a 90HP 4cyl diesel... -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 21:24:12 -0400 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY Message-ID: cacy-ba+pr57jyye+xxv8-8kv3o5zn_nhwvvyscutja0io_i...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It really makes more sense to compare diesel to premium gas, since most of the gas versions of these cars require it. I've driven the E250 bluetec... its really quite a car. Its hard to believe its only a 4 cylinder when driving it, its very powerful. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] changing 123 300TD rear springs
I hung the calipers by a wire the last time I had a spring out. Didn't want to break into any hydraulic system, and it's only two bolts. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] changing 123 300TD rear springs
There are a lot of people (idiots, IMHO) on Benzworld that like to swap out regular springs and eliminate the SLS system on their W140s. The consensus there has been that none of the aftermarket springs are decent and that MB is the only way to go. I don't recall factory springs being all that expensive, either. Dan On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the lesjofors are swedish but they aren't that good, or, at least, people aren't very happy with them. they are super cheap so even i could sell them at the AZ price. i'd be inclined to avoid them unless i could find no alternative i'd take a long look at just getting genuine springs instead if they aren't too inconvenient to get. in aftermarket, i'd be most interested in bilstein springs. in some of their verbiage, bilstein seems to be making a connection between these springs and eibach, but i don't have a handle at this moment as to what that relationship is what is wrong with your old springs? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: Folks How hard is it to change 123 300TD rear springs? do i need the spring compressor? how are Lesjofers from sweden? sweedish steel?? https://www.autohausaz.com/**search/product.aspx?sid=** y1xuii55upsbrn55k5sssmzd**partnumber=W0133-1622978https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=y1xuii55upsbrn55k5sssmzdpartnumber=W0133-1622978 thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
So why the large premium for diesel? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:50:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. 21.03%, to be precise. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] changing 123 300TD rear springs
it is another problem to which factory is a really good answer, similar to the question of your 140 brake discs. people get very tunnel visioned regarding solutions. they spout some rhetoric about the stealership and jump up and down in great delight over how cleverly funny that expression is, missing the point that the 90s are over. see what you can find out about those bilstein springs., i know they are german made and the few people i've sold them to seem a lot happier with them than people were with the lsjofers or suplex springs but i sure would like to know what they actually are. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: There are a lot of people (idiots, IMHO) on Benzworld that like to swap out regular springs and eliminate the SLS system on their W140s. The consensus there has been that none of the aftermarket springs are decent and that MB is the only way to go. I don't recall factory springs being all that expensive, either. Dan On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the lesjofors are swedish but they aren't that good, or, at least, people aren't very happy with them. they are super cheap so even i could sell them at the AZ price. i'd be inclined to avoid them unless i could find no alternative i'd take a long look at just getting genuine springs instead if they aren't too inconvenient to get. in aftermarket, i'd be most interested in bilstein springs. in some of their verbiage, bilstein seems to be making a connection between these springs and eibach, but i don't have a handle at this moment as to what that relationship is what is wrong with your old springs? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: Folks How hard is it to change 123 300TD rear springs? do i need the spring compressor? how are Lesjofers from sweden? sweedish steel?? https://www.autohausaz.com/**search/product.aspx?sid=** y1xuii55upsbrn55k5sssmzd**partnumber=W0133-1622978 https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=y1xuii55upsbrn55k5sssmzdpartnumber=W0133-1622978 thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
it's a good question that no one seems to know the answer to so they talk about something else i seem to recall that back in the day diesel was around the same price or less than regular and now it is always sold as a premium. i would suggest a great inelasticity of demand for diesel fuel (used by truck and trains) than gasoline (used by cars, often for recreational use). i know that my driving was reduced drastically when fuel prices exploded and never returned, but i imagine that truck bringing worthless chinese garbage to your local walmart still makes the same trip (or cuts back on it a lot less) despite fuel prices increasing in any case, that's my speculation on the matter off the top of my head On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: So why the large premium for diesel? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:50:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. 21.03%, to be precise. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
READ YOUR MAIL!!! On 9/23/13 3:02 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: More energy content, plus I think the US is refining a lot of diesel and shipping off to other places, driving up the price. --R On 9/23/13 2:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Can someone please explain the shockingly hihh price disparity with unleaded gas? On 9/24/13 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So why the large premium for diesel? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:50:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. 21.03%, to be precise. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
the energy content of diesel has increased over the past decade or two? On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: READ YOUR MAIL!!! On 9/23/13 3:02 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: More energy content, plus I think the US is refining a lot of diesel and shipping off to other places, driving up the price. --R On 9/23/13 2:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Can someone please explain the shockingly hihh price disparity with unleaded gas? On 9/24/13 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So why the large premium for diesel? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:50:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. 21.03%, to be precise. Craig __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
Extra cost of producing ULSD? On average, diesel is always about 40 cents more per gallon than regular. Gerry From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com it's a good question that no one seems to know the answer to so they talk about something else i seem to recall that back in the day diesel was around the same price or less than regular and now it is always sold as a premium. i would suggest a great inelasticity of demand for diesel fuel (used by truck and trains) than gasoline (used by cars, often for recreational use). i know that my driving was reduced drastically when fuel prices exploded and never returned, but i imagine that truck bringing worthless chinese garbage to your local walmart still makes the same trip (or cuts back on it a lot less) despite fuel prices increasing in any case, that's my speculation on the matter off the top of my head On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: So why the large premium for diesel? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:50:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13. Now that is way more than eight percent. 21.03%, to be precise. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6194 - Release Date: 09/24/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
The Cessna likes the lack of lead, but only tolerates the higher volitility (lower vapor pressure?) of the unleaded. We can't use synthetic oils in aircraft engines due to the lead in avgas. My eninge is low compression, 80 octane is plenty. I don't think my exhaust valves are sodium filled, but don't know for sure. They might be. Special approval (an STC) is required for both the engine and the airframe to use automobile gas, which I have for this aircraft. I truck my own fuel here, but most airports only have 100LL, so I have to run it when going cross country. I don't see any difference between the two, but then again, I've only been doing this for a short while. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Does your Cessna mind running no lead as opposed to low lead? Does it have sodium-filled valves? Craig -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
i seem to recall that back in the day diesel was around the same price or less than regular and now it is always sold as a premium. Back in the day, cars got 8-18 mpg, and for every gallon of gasoline, you had to get rid of x amount of diesel and y amount of propane that came in the crude oil along with the gasoline. Now the refineries have the ability to break down the heavy molecules to make more gas out of a barrel of crude, so selling a gallon of diesel means you can't make 1.x gallons of gas out of it. Fuels are being sold by the BTU now. (I really miss 50 cent a gallon propane and cheaper than regular diesel.) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
(I really miss 50 cent a gallon propane and cheaper than regular diesel.) Amen! Last time I looked, we were exporting 40% of the Diesel we produced (refined). I don't know whether we import or export gasoline. We are in a world fuel market, not a local (national) one. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Benz pR0n
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Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
No, marketing and sales have become more related to energy content. --R On 9/24/13 12:15 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: the energy content of diesel has increased over the past decade or two? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
Also, they are using the fractions that used to be diesel to make hydrogen. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY (I really miss 50 cent a gallon propane and cheaper than regular diesel.) Amen! Last time I looked, we were exporting 40% of the Diesel we produced (refined). I don't know whether we import or export gasoline. We are in a world fuel market, not a local (national) one. OK Don ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] changing 123 300TD rear springs
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 06:35:34 -0400 (EDT) m...@voyager.net wrote: You don't need them for the rear springs on the W123 sedan. The fronts are a VERY DIFFERENT story! Craig And you've got to do something with the calipers or hoses to let the suspension down far enough to get the springs out. Yes, for the sedan, you need to take the brake calipers off and hang them from coat-hanger-wire to get enough movement of the suspension to get the springs out and not damage the brake hoses. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] changing 123 300TD rear springs
I have a couple of the 19mm rubber cups if anybody wants them. I bought them for my '83 240D years ago, never used them... -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:21:00 -0400 From: MG trainpain2...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] changing 123 300TD rear springs Message-ID: 524183ac.90...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Very easy, no spring compressor required. I've done both sedan and TD. The springs are under less then 1 of compression held by the shocks with the wheels off the ground so not much pressure there. It's best to undo the hoses at the top of the shocks while the car is on the ground. Make sure you cover the ends of the hoses and the fitting on the shock to keep dirt out. Then lift the car and disconnect the brake hoses and the outer swaybar ends. Put a jack under the control arm, lift a couple of inches and undo the top fastener of the shock, let the jack down and undo the bottom of the shock and drop it out the bottom of the arm. Remove spring. When you put it back together the toughest part is getting the shock to stay extended while you try to put it in from the bottom and then while you get inside and fasten the top. Get new rubber spring cups for the top of the spring as well as new top shock mount kits. I used the thickest cups I could find (19mm?). I couldn't order the exact spring type I wanted just generic one size fits all available any more. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz TV: MAGIC BODY CONTROL TV commercial Chicken
This is rather disappointing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScpgI1w5F6A I thought it was actually done with magic by wizards in the black forest. Levitatius automobilus bumpous gonus. Hendrik who has old school suspension On 24/09/13 18:58, Chris James wrote: Cool commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLwML2PagbY As part of Mercedes-Benz Intelligent Drive MAGIC BODY CONTROL ensures optimum driving comfort. Find out more at: http://www5.mercedes-benz.com/en/innovation/magic-body-control-s-class-suspension/ ** The '14 S-Class is finally up on the site! Have fun building away! I will have to look up the Part No. for the Cabin fragrance system, so my room can smell like an S-Class! http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/build/class-S/model-S550V#appearance ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz TV: MAGIC BODY CONTROL TV commercialChicken
Did I see cup holders in that MB center console??!!! Oh, blasphemy Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz TV: MAGIC BODY CONTROL TV commercialChicken This is rather disappointing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScpgI1w5F6A I thought it was actually done with magic by wizards in the black forest. Levitatius automobilus bumpous gonus. Hendrik who has old school suspension On 24/09/13 18:58, Chris James wrote: Cool commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLwML2PagbY As part of Mercedes-Benz Intelligent Drive MAGIC BODY CONTROL ensures optimum driving comfort. Find out more at: http://www5.mercedes-benz.com/en/innovation/magic-body-control-s-class-suspension/ ** The '14 S-Class is finally up on the site! Have fun building away! I will have to look up the Part No. for the Cabin fragrance system, so my room can smell like an S-Class! http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/build/class-S/model-S550V#appearance ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Western deserts and badlands
Chinese entrepreneur wins UN Global Drylands Champions award The founder of a Chinese enterprise was honored on Monday with the Global Drylands Champions award by a special UN body on anti-desertification. Wang Wenbiao, chairman of the Elion Resources Group in China and also a member of the standing committee of the National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, has spent the last 25 years in combating desertification in the Kubuqi Desert. Wang received the award at a gala dinner party held on the sidelines of the ongoing 11th Conference of the Parties (COP 11) to the UN Convention to Combat Desertification (UNCCD), which opened here on Sept. 16. The Global Drylands Champions award is a UNCCD initiative that recognizes individuals who have made significant contributions to the UNCCD process and leadership in sustainable land management, especially in the drylands. At the awarding ceremony, Wang said his Elion Resources Group has turned more than 5,000 square km of the Kubuqi Desert into green lands. He stressed that only through the joint efforts of the government, businesses, individuals and the civil society, can the arduous task of combating desertification be achieved successfully. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2013-09/24/c_132746011.htm Gerry wrote: I'm wondering if Wangs techniques would work on Americas western drylands? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Benz pR0n
--R wrote: You know you want one Nope, not me. Waay too pretentious. Gimme a million to give away? - prolly not either, since I can't fathom how/who to give it away. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Benz pR0n
I find it rather disappointing in the styling department. To my eye.. it looks and moves just like any other jap wanna be.. totally lacking of distinction... To bad.. hate to see the Marque diminished to that point.. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: --R wrote: You know you want one Nope, not me. Waay too pretentious. Gimme a million to give away? - prolly not either, since I can't fathom how/who to give it away. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Need plane gurus... Marvel's Avengers
So, on tonight's premiere of Avengers-S.H.I.E.L.D. they had a plane in the hanger that looks pretty mean, but I'm betting that it's mostly CG. It has 6 engines, two on each wing and one on either side of the fuselage. Is there such an animal? Also, the tail is a 'T' type, ala DC10. Thoughts? I can provide a screen shot later -- Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need plane gurus... Marvel's Avengers
none in current inventory would match that config.. Please capture a picture .. I'll try to ID it.. If such an animal was ever built... On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: So, on tonight's premiere of Avengers-S.H.I.E.L.D. they had a plane in the hanger that looks pretty mean, but I'm betting that it's mostly CG. It has 6 engines, two on each wing and one on either side of the fuselage. Is there such an animal? Also, the tail is a 'T' type, ala DC10. Thoughts? I can provide a screen shot later -- Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need plane gurus... Marvel's Avengers
I suspect it's a T-tail of some sort (DC-9, VC-10, or whatever Illiushin made to copy the VC-10) with engines added to the wings by computer. No one ever built anything like that, the T-tail configuration has been around for quite a while, starting with the Caravel in the early 50's, but it's only really useful if you want a very high lift wing configuration (Boeing 727, specifically) where you need huge leading edge slats and amazingly large trailing flaps. Engines on the wing interfere with the airflow. For six (or ten) engines, just hang them on the wing is, I suspect, easier. See the history of the B-36 for an example. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need plane gurus... Marvel's Avengers
Sounds fake to me Sent from my iPhone On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:47 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: So, on tonight's premiere of Avengers-S.H.I.E.L.D. they had a plane in the hanger that looks pretty mean, but I'm betting that it's mostly CG. It has 6 engines, two on each wing and one on either side of the fuselage. Is there such an animal? Also, the tail is a 'T' type, ala DC10. Thoughts? I can provide a screen shot later -- Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need plane gurus... Marvel's Avengers
Pictures at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ffvo40wwkcjfdos/TWAxtMkp_s It's a pretty bad-a$$ looking plane, if it were real Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) On 9/24/2013 8:50 PM, G Mann wrote: none in current inventory would match that config.. Please capture a picture .. I'll try to ID it.. If such an animal was ever built... On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: So, on tonight's premiere of Avengers-S.H.I.E.L.D. they had a plane in the hanger that looks pretty mean, but I'm betting that it's mostly CG. It has 6 engines, two on each wing and one on either side of the fuselage. Is there such an animal? Also, the tail is a 'T' type, ala DC10. Thoughts? I can provide a screen shot later -- Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need plane gurus... Marvel's Avengers
A doctored USAF C-17; extra set horiz stabilizers and engines added to empennage. The real ones have that T tail. Wilt - Original Message - From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need plane gurus... Marvel's Avengers Pictures at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ffvo40wwkcjfdos/TWAxtMkp_s It's a pretty bad-a$$ looking plane, if it were real Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) On 9/24/2013 8:50 PM, G Mann wrote: none in current inventory would match that config.. Please capture a picture .. I'll try to ID it.. If such an animal was ever built... On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: So, on tonight's premiere of Avengers-S.H.I.E.L.D. they had a plane in the hanger that looks pretty mean, but I'm betting that it's mostly CG. It has 6 engines, two on each wing and one on either side of the fuselage. Is there such an animal? Also, the tail is a 'T' type, ala DC10. Thoughts? I can provide a screen shot later -- Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need plane gurus... Marvel's Avengers
I believe you are looking a current Air Force inventory C 117... The extra engines you are seeing at the aft tail is an optical illusion enhanced by the low reflective paint.. you are seeing the outboard engine on the wing of another airplane which is almost in the right position to appear to be mounted on aft tail area, setting behind it. Hard to call it accurately due to the stealth paint job... no markings.. but those could have been edited out.. That's the way I'm seeing it... general profile fits in both the frontal pic and the side view... Grant... On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: I suspect it's a T-tail of some sort (DC-9, VC-10, or whatever Illiushin made to copy the VC-10) with engines added to the wings by computer. No one ever built anything like that, the T-tail configuration has been around for quite a while, starting with the Caravel in the early 50's, but it's only really useful if you want a very high lift wing configuration (Boeing 727, specifically) where you need huge leading edge slats and amazingly large trailing flaps. Engines on the wing interfere with the airflow. For six (or ten) engines, just hang them on the wing is, I suspect, easier. See the history of the B-36 for an example. Peter __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
