[MBZ] All alone
Yep, hanging or there by myself again. Maybe, I can get along some how. Wo is me. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] All alone
Yep, some 'lectron flow, at least. S'pose, if there are enough of 'em, and I get 'em goin' real good, and snuggle real close, they'll keep me warm? Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] All alone Yep, hanging or there by myself again. Maybe, I can get along some how. Wo is me. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] All alone
Nope, 'not workin', so I'll just go to optometrist to get glasses fixed; broke ear piece off when part of a wrench (yep, that's wrench, not winch) fell on my face yesterday afternoon while lying very uncomfortably on my back installing kitchen sink in a rental house. Wilt - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] All alone Yep, some 'lectron flow, at least. S'pose, if there are enough of 'em, and I get 'em goin' real good, and snuggle real close, they'll keep me warm? Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] All alone Yep, hanging or there by myself again. Maybe, I can get along some how. Wo is me. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] All alone
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:18 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Nope, 'not workin', so I'll just go to optometrist to get glasses fixed; broke ear piece off when part of a wrench (yep, that's wrench, not winch) fell on my face yesterday afternoon while lying very uncomfortably on my back installing kitchen sink in a rental house. Better than a part of a wench falling on your face. Best, Tim has about half the 350's engine apart, as of last weekend ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] All alone
On 16/10/2013 8:18 AM, WILTON wrote: Nope, 'not workin', so I'll just go to optometrist to get glasses fixed; broke ear piece off when part of a wrench (yep, that's wrench, not winch) fell on my face yesterday afternoon while lying very uncomfortably on my back installing kitchen sink in a rental house. Wilt Me too Wilton. I need new glasses. The jack handle hit the right lens a couple of weeks ago and left a scratch. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] factory workshop manual trouble
Help! I am having trouble running the factory workshop manual on my new laptop ,Vista OS. Read me files tell me I need, standalone7.exe as well as acro_reader4.exe for it to work. I could not find either on my laptop. I down loaded Adobe shock wave with the hopes of gaining that executable file, no luck with that. Any suggestions?I also have a technical question. I am replacing the oil pan and oil pump on my 86 300sdl. What should I use to seal the mating surface of the oil pump to the block. Make a thin gasket? A slight amount of black rtv? Aviation gasket sealer? Thanks Ron Courcy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] factory workshop manual trouble
The CD manual has some flash stuff for the menus and the acroread is for PDF files that all the actual sections of the manual are in. You need to download the files for those things, which I think are what you have there but they aren't taking for some reason. There is an index for the 126 manual that is easier to use (and bypasses the flash stuff), the link to which I can't find right now, you can search for it. You will still need the pdf reader. --R On 10/16/13 11:54 AM, Ronald Courcy wrote: Help! I am having trouble running the factory workshop manual on my new laptop ,Vista OS. Read me files tell me I need, standalone7.exe as well as acro_reader4.exe for it to work. I could not find either on my laptop. I down loaded Adobe shock wave with the hopes of gaining that executable file, no luck with that. Any suggestions?I also have a technical question. I am replacing the oil pan and oil pump on my 86 300sdl. What should I use to seal the mating surface of the oil pump to the block. Make a thin gasket? A slight amount of black rtv? Aviation gasket sealer? Thanks Ron Courcy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] factory workshop manual trouble
On Oct 16, 2013 11:54 AM, Ronald Courcy tron...@hotmail.com wrote: I also have a technical question. I am replacing the oil pan and oil pump on my 86 300sdl. What should I use to seal the mating surface of the oil pump to the block. Make a thin gasket? A slight amount of black rtv? Aviation gasket sealer? When I did the 87 I had a good replacement pan. Using just the Mercedes gasket was sufficient, once I did all the manipulating to get the pan in it held on just fine (and no leaks!). I would not suggest using any sealer if you don't have any cracks, and have the old gasket off. Actually the harder part was holding up the gasket for the side cover, I might use a dab of grease to give it some sticky if I ever do that job again. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] factory workshop manual trouble
http://www.mercedeslist.com/ Other Stuff -- Service Library Indexes --R On 10/16/13 12:11 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: The CD manual has some flash stuff for the menus and the acroread is for PDF files that all the actual sections of the manual are in. You need to download the files for those things, which I think are what you have there but they aren't taking for some reason. There is an index for the 126 manual that is easier to use (and bypasses the flash stuff), the link to which I can't find right now, you can search for it. You will still need the pdf reader. --R On 10/16/13 11:54 AM, Ronald Courcy wrote: Help! I am having trouble running the factory workshop manual on my new laptop ,Vista OS. Read me files tell me I need, standalone7.exe as well as acro_reader4.exe for it to work. I could not find either on my laptop. I down loaded Adobe shock wave with the hopes of gaining that executable file, no luck with that. Any suggestions?I also have a technical question. I am replacing the oil pan and oil pump on my 86 300sdl. What should I use to seal the mating surface of the oil pump to the block. Make a thin gasket? A slight amount of black rtv? Aviation gasket sealer? Thanks Ron Courcy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front mats for '83 240D
On Oct 6, 2013 4:14 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Looks like the palomino in my 91 350SDL; 2 sets of 'em went with it to Chapel Hill with Tim. Yep, not sure the 126 mats fit in the 123 though. I thought you could read interior color off the VIN panel. I have non-original but OE mats (I think from an 83) in the 77 that are slightly lighter than the old ones. I would have described both interiors as Palomino, but the difference is obvious close up. I tracked in a bunch of leaves so now I don't notice it anymore. ;) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Compressor seized
The 84 SD was getting a bit of TLC and I noticed the compressor belt was sorta wrapped around the fan. h not good. I put it back on, started the engine, hit the AC button and WHAM engine stops. I figured the compressor was seized, daughter said it was not cooling, that confirmed it. Car had 134 conversion, was working quite well. Wondering if that had something to do with the failure, or just age and use and such. I guess it is new compressor time, maybe in a coupla months. I know there has been lots of discussion of compressor replacement, system cleaning and such, but any thoughts would be useful in my hour of grief. In particular continuing with the 134. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Compressor seized
how old is the compressor? there are two lines of discussions i've heard on this lately with premature compressor failure, neither having to do with 134 1. there is still crap in the system from the last compressor that blew up. some are advocating adding an additional filter in the line 2 these cheap crappy chinese behr compressors people buy from unscrupulous vendors just blow up as they are super cheap and crappy o dpm t don't have a good feeling on an answer but i wouldn't be thinking 134 did this to you. also, if the compressor is decades old, that might have something to do with it On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The 84 SD was getting a bit of TLC and I noticed the compressor belt was sorta wrapped around the fan. h not good. I put it back on, started the engine, hit the AC button and WHAM engine stops. I figured the compressor was seized, daughter said it was not cooling, that confirmed it. Car had 134 conversion, was working quite well. Wondering if that had something to do with the failure, or just age and use and such. I guess it is new compressor time, maybe in a coupla months. I know there has been lots of discussion of compressor replacement, system cleaning and such, but any thoughts would be useful in my hour of grief. In particular continuing with the 134. --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front mats for '83 240D
Just received what appears to be genuine Mercedes mats for my '83 240D; perfect color match; $182 incl frt. makes a big difference in appearance when the drivers side doors are opened. Gerry On Oct 6, 2013 4:14 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Looks like the palomino in my 91 350SDL; 2 sets of 'em went with it to Chapel Hill with Tim. Yep, not sure the 126 mats fit in the 123 though. I thought you could read interior color off the VIN panel. I have non-original but OE mats (I think from an 83) in the 77 that are slightly lighter than the old ones. I would have described both interiors as Palomino, but the difference is obvious close up. I tracked in a bunch of leaves so now I don't notice it anymore. ;) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3614/6753 - Release Date: 10/15/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front mats for '83 240D
Man that seems expensive Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Just received what appears to be genuine Mercedes mats for my '83 240D; perfect color match; $182 incl frt. makes a big difference in appearance when the drivers side doors are opened. Gerry On Oct 6, 2013 4:14 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Looks like the palomino in my 91 350SDL; 2 sets of 'em went with it to Chapel Hill with Tim. Yep, not sure the 126 mats fit in the 123 though. I thought you could read interior color off the VIN panel. I have non-original but OE mats (I think from an 83) in the 77 that are slightly lighter than the old ones. I would have described both interiors as Palomino, but the difference is obvious close up. I tracked in a bunch of leaves so now I don't notice it anymore. ;) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3614/6753 - Release Date: 10/15/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Compressor seized
I'm not sure it could be classified as premature as we have had the car 4 or 5 years, and it was converted over at least a coupla years prior to that. I have the full service receipt package for the car, I could look through there and find out if the compressor was ever swapped, or if it was done when the conversion was done. In any case, the compressor is say 7+ yr old, which I suppose is not really indicative of age-related failure, but would not be unexpected. I don't even know what kind it is, where is the name plate on it? It gets fairly nasty down there, I will have to clean it off at some point and see what it is. Wasn't there an assertion that some domestic compressor would fit if turned upside down or something? --R On 10/16/13 1:07 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: how old is the compressor? there are two lines of discussions i've heard on this lately with premature compressor failure, neither having to do with 134 1. there is still crap in the system from the last compressor that blew up. some are advocating adding an additional filter in the line 2 these cheap crappy chinese behr compressors people buy from unscrupulous vendors just blow up as they are super cheap and crappy o dpm t don't have a good feeling on an answer but i wouldn't be thinking 134 did this to you. also, if the compressor is decades old, that might have something to do with it On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The 84 SD was getting a bit of TLC and I noticed the compressor belt was sorta wrapped around the fan. h not good. I put it back on, started the engine, hit the AC button and WHAM engine stops. I figured the compressor was seized, daughter said it was not cooling, that confirmed it. Car had 134 conversion, was working quite well. Wondering if that had something to do with the failure, or just age and use and such. I guess it is new compressor time, maybe in a coupla months. I know there has been lots of discussion of compressor replacement, system cleaning and such, but any thoughts would be useful in my hour of grief. In particular continuing with the 134. --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front mats for '83 240D
Figure that the really nice thick color coordinated MB ones were over $100 10 years ago and that is probably about right. The point is that they were pretty much a one time purchase if you took good care of them. Money well spent. Dan On Oct 16, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Man that seems expensive Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Just received what appears to be genuine Mercedes mats for my '83 240D; perfect color match; $182 incl frt. makes a big difference in appearance when the drivers side doors are opened. Gerry On Oct 6, 2013 4:14 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Looks like the palomino in my 91 350SDL; 2 sets of 'em went with it to Chapel Hill with Tim. Yep, not sure the 126 mats fit in the 123 though. I thought you could read interior color off the VIN panel. I have non-original but OE mats (I think from an 83) in the 77 that are slightly lighter than the old ones. I would have described both interiors as Palomino, but the difference is obvious close up. I tracked in a bunch of leaves so now I don't notice it anymore. ;) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3614/6753 - Release Date: 10/15/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front mats for '83 240D
That's great, glad they worked out for you! :-) On 10/16/2013 2:11 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Date: 10/16/2013 1:18 PM Just received what appears to be genuine Mercedes mats for my '83 240D; perfect color match; $182 incl frt. makes a big difference in appearance when the drivers side doors are opened. Gerry -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Compressor seized
it's basically a delco R4 radial compressor with metric fittings. i sell the texas ones from the group who i'm told bought the tooling from GM. most go for the cheap behr chinese knockoff in any case, 7 years plus is still a while On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I'm not sure it could be classified as premature as we have had the car 4 or 5 years, and it was converted over at least a coupla years prior to that. I have the full service receipt package for the car, I could look through there and find out if the compressor was ever swapped, or if it was done when the conversion was done. In any case, the compressor is say 7+ yr old, which I suppose is not really indicative of age-related failure, but would not be unexpected. I don't even know what kind it is, where is the name plate on it? It gets fairly nasty down there, I will have to clean it off at some point and see what it is. Wasn't there an assertion that some domestic compressor would fit if turned upside down or something? --R On 10/16/13 1:07 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: how old is the compressor? there are two lines of discussions i've heard on this lately with premature compressor failure, neither having to do with 134 1. there is still crap in the system from the last compressor that blew up. some are advocating adding an additional filter in the line 2 these cheap crappy chinese behr compressors people buy from unscrupulous vendors just blow up as they are super cheap and crappy o dpm t don't have a good feeling on an answer but i wouldn't be thinking 134 did this to you. also, if the compressor is decades old, that might have something to do with it On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The 84 SD was getting a bit of TLC and I noticed the compressor belt was sorta wrapped around the fan. h not good. I put it back on, started the engine, hit the AC button and WHAM engine stops. I figured the compressor was seized, daughter said it was not cooling, that confirmed it. Car had 134 conversion, was working quite well. Wondering if that had something to do with the failure, or just age and use and such. I guess it is new compressor time, maybe in a coupla months. I know there has been lots of discussion of compressor replacement, system cleaning and such, but any thoughts would be useful in my hour of grief. In particular continuing with the 134. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Compressor seized
How much? Does it come with oil or is that something I gotta get from the auto parts or AC supplier? I guess I would need to do the system flush too. It was leaking down a bit, I would have to charge it in the spring, so maybe that was indicative of the compressor going bad. I put some dye in the system but could not see anywhere there were leaks. --R On 10/16/13 2:34 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: it's basically a delco R4 radial compressor with metric fittings. i sell the texas ones from the group who i'm told bought the tooling from GM. most go for the cheap behr chinese knockoff in any case, 7 years plus is still a while On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I'm not sure it could be classified as premature as we have had the car 4 or 5 years, and it was converted over at least a coupla years prior to that. I have the full service receipt package for the car, I could look through there and find out if the compressor was ever swapped, or if it was done when the conversion was done. In any case, the compressor is say 7+ yr old, which I suppose is not really indicative of age-related failure, but would not be unexpected. I don't even know what kind it is, where is the name plate on it? It gets fairly nasty down there, I will have to clean it off at some point and see what it is. Wasn't there an assertion that some domestic compressor would fit if turned upside down or something? --R On 10/16/13 1:07 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: how old is the compressor? there are two lines of discussions i've heard on this lately with premature compressor failure, neither having to do with 134 1. there is still crap in the system from the last compressor that blew up. some are advocating adding an additional filter in the line 2 these cheap crappy chinese behr compressors people buy from unscrupulous vendors just blow up as they are super cheap and crappy o dpm t don't have a good feeling on an answer but i wouldn't be thinking 134 did this to you. also, if the compressor is decades old, that might have something to do with it On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The 84 SD was getting a bit of TLC and I noticed the compressor belt was sorta wrapped around the fan. h not good. I put it back on, started the engine, hit the AC button and WHAM engine stops. I figured the compressor was seized, daughter said it was not cooling, that confirmed it. Car had 134 conversion, was working quite well. Wondering if that had something to do with the failure, or just age and use and such. I guess it is new compressor time, maybe in a coupla months. I know there has been lots of discussion of compressor replacement, system cleaning and such, but any thoughts would be useful in my hour of grief. In particular continuing with the 134. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need a Carfax on a VW, Can anyone help?
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Mitchell Haley, EA m...@voyager.net wrote: w...@juno.com wrote: Is this Walt? Walt Lasher, the old guy. Didn't we have a 20 year old Walt last year? Whatever happened to him? He's on Google+. -Tim obviously is catching up on some old mail today... :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front mats for '83 240D
It is, but the car is in such good condition inside and out, I figured it would only add to its value. I've had some significant offers for it, possibly because it's stick-shift, manual climate control, crank-up windows, and it's general condition. Thought about it, but what could I buy to replace it that would be as safe, reliable, and easy to drive? At 27 mpg road and city the fuel-saving numbers don't add up if I sold it and bought a late model or new car. Gerry From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Man that seems expensive Just received what appears to be genuine Mercedes mats for my '83 240D; perfect color match; $182 incl frt. makes a big difference in appearance when the drivers side doors are opened. Gerry On Oct 6, 2013 4:14 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Looks like the palomino in my 91 350SDL; 2 sets of 'em went with it to Chapel Hill with Tim. Yep, not sure the 126 mats fit in the 123 though. I thought you could read interior color off the VIN panel. I have non-original but OE mats (I think from an 83) in the 77 that are slightly lighter than the old ones. I would have described both interiors as Palomino, but the difference is obvious close up. I tracked in a bunch of leaves so now I don't notice it anymore. ;) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3614/6753 - Release Date: 10/15/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3614/6753 - Release Date: 10/15/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front mats for '83 240D
these cars can be quite valuable. not that long ago, asking 2 grand for a mint one might get you laughed at, but the nice ones that are left are fetching some good money On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: It is, but the car is in such good condition inside and out, I figured it would only add to its value. I've had some significant offers for it, possibly because it's stick-shift, manual climate control, crank-up windows, and it's general condition. Thought about it, but what could I buy to replace it that would be as safe, reliable, and easy to drive? At 27 mpg road and city the fuel-saving numbers don't add up if I sold it and bought a late model or new car. Gerry From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Man that seems expensive Just received what appears to be genuine Mercedes mats for my '83 240D; perfect color match; $182 incl frt. makes a big difference in appearance when the drivers side doors are opened. Gerry On Oct 6, 2013 4:14 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Looks like the palomino in my 91 350SDL; 2 sets of 'em went with it to Chapel Hill with Tim. Yep, not sure the 126 mats fit in the 123 though. I thought you could read interior color off the VIN panel. I have non-original but OE mats (I think from an 83) in the 77 that are slightly lighter than the old ones. I would have described both interiors as Palomino, but the difference is obvious close up. I tracked in a bunch of leaves so now I don't notice it anymore. ;) Best, Tim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3614/6753 - Release Date: 10/15/13 __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3614/6753 - Release Date: 10/15/13 __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Compressor seized
I bought a Texas compressor from Rusty about a year and a half ago and it's still doing well. Apparently we only have a choice of the Texas or the Chinese compressors although I did see a listing for a Japanese compressor somewhere? Gerry From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com it's basically a delco R4 radial compressor with metric fittings. i sell the texas ones from the group who i'm told bought the tooling from GM. most go for the cheap behr chinese knockoff in any case, 7 years plus is still a while On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I'm not sure it could be classified as premature as we have had the car 4 or 5 years, and it was converted over at least a coupla years prior to that. I have the full service receipt package for the car, I could look through there and find out if the compressor was ever swapped, or if it was done when the conversion was done. In any case, the compressor is say 7+ yr old, which I suppose is not really indicative of age-related failure, but would not be unexpected. I don't even know what kind it is, where is the name plate on it? It gets fairly nasty down there, I will have to clean it off at some point and see what it is. Wasn't there an assertion that some domestic compressor would fit if turned upside down or something? --R On 10/16/13 1:07 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: how old is the compressor? there are two lines of discussions i've heard on this lately with premature compressor failure, neither having to do with 134 1. there is still crap in the system from the last compressor that blew up. some are advocating adding an additional filter in the line 2 these cheap crappy chinese behr compressors people buy from unscrupulous vendors just blow up as they are super cheap and crappy o dpm t don't have a good feeling on an answer but i wouldn't be thinking 134 did this to you. also, if the compressor is decades old, that might have something to do with it On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The 84 SD was getting a bit of TLC and I noticed the compressor belt was sorta wrapped around the fan. h not good. I put it back on, started the engine, hit the AC button and WHAM engine stops. I figured the compressor was seized, daughter said it was not cooling, that confirmed it. Car had 134 conversion, was working quite well. Wondering if that had something to do with the failure, or just age and use and such. I guess it is new compressor time, maybe in a coupla months. I know there has been lots of discussion of compressor replacement, system cleaning and such, but any thoughts would be useful in my hour of grief. In particular continuing with the 134. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3614/6753 - Release Date: 10/15/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Compressor seized
the japanese ones are for different cars, the later ones that take denso compressors On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: I bought a Texas compressor from Rusty about a year and a half ago and it's still doing well. Apparently we only have a choice of the Texas or the Chinese compressors although I did see a listing for a Japanese compressor somewhere? Gerry From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com it's basically a delco R4 radial compressor with metric fittings. i sell the texas ones from the group who i'm told bought the tooling from GM. most go for the cheap behr chinese knockoff in any case, 7 years plus is still a while On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I'm not sure it could be classified as premature as we have had the car 4 or 5 years, and it was converted over at least a coupla years prior to that. I have the full service receipt package for the car, I could look through there and find out if the compressor was ever swapped, or if it was done when the conversion was done. In any case, the compressor is say 7+ yr old, which I suppose is not really indicative of age-related failure, but would not be unexpected. I don't even know what kind it is, where is the name plate on it? It gets fairly nasty down there, I will have to clean it off at some point and see what it is. Wasn't there an assertion that some domestic compressor would fit if turned upside down or something? --R On 10/16/13 1:07 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: how old is the compressor? there are two lines of discussions i've heard on this lately with premature compressor failure, neither having to do with 134 1. there is still crap in the system from the last compressor that blew up. some are advocating adding an additional filter in the line 2 these cheap crappy chinese behr compressors people buy from unscrupulous vendors just blow up as they are super cheap and crappy o dpm t don't have a good feeling on an answer but i wouldn't be thinking 134 did this to you. also, if the compressor is decades old, that might have something to do with it On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructi**vity.net http://constructivity.net richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The 84 SD was getting a bit of TLC and I noticed the compressor belt was sorta wrapped around the fan. h not good. I put it back on, started the engine, hit the AC button and WHAM engine stops. I figured the compressor was seized, daughter said it was not cooling, that confirmed it. Car had 134 conversion, was working quite well. Wondering if that had something to do with the failure, or just age and use and such. I guess it is new compressor time, maybe in a coupla months. I know there has been lots of discussion of compressor replacement, system cleaning and such, but any thoughts would be useful in my hour of grief. In particular continuing with the 134. --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/** archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/**listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.* *comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] Compressor seized
i think i charged mike esh 309, so that's what i'd charge you. it comes with some oil, but probably not enough. 8oz of AC delco spec oil sells from me for 10 bucks, but no one buys any so i assume that the local autozone is a lot cheaper. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: How much? Does it come with oil or is that something I gotta get from the auto parts or AC supplier? I guess I would need to do the system flush too. It was leaking down a bit, I would have to charge it in the spring, so maybe that was indicative of the compressor going bad. I put some dye in the system but could not see anywhere there were leaks. --R On 10/16/13 2:34 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: it's basically a delco R4 radial compressor with metric fittings. i sell the texas ones from the group who i'm told bought the tooling from GM. most go for the cheap behr chinese knockoff in any case, 7 years plus is still a while On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I'm not sure it could be classified as premature as we have had the car 4 or 5 years, and it was converted over at least a coupla years prior to that. I have the full service receipt package for the car, I could look through there and find out if the compressor was ever swapped, or if it was done when the conversion was done. In any case, the compressor is say 7+ yr old, which I suppose is not really indicative of age-related failure, but would not be unexpected. I don't even know what kind it is, where is the name plate on it? It gets fairly nasty down there, I will have to clean it off at some point and see what it is. Wasn't there an assertion that some domestic compressor would fit if turned upside down or something? --R On 10/16/13 1:07 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: how old is the compressor? there are two lines of discussions i've heard on this lately with premature compressor failure, neither having to do with 134 1. there is still crap in the system from the last compressor that blew up. some are advocating adding an additional filter in the line 2 these cheap crappy chinese behr compressors people buy from unscrupulous vendors just blow up as they are super cheap and crappy o dpm t don't have a good feeling on an answer but i wouldn't be thinking 134 did this to you. also, if the compressor is decades old, that might have something to do with it On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructi**vity.net http://constructivity.net richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The 84 SD was getting a bit of TLC and I noticed the compressor belt was sorta wrapped around the fan. h not good. I put it back on, started the engine, hit the AC button and WHAM engine stops. I figured the compressor was seized, daughter said it was not cooling, that confirmed it. Car had 134 conversion, was working quite well. Wondering if that had something to do with the failure, or just age and use and such. I guess it is new compressor time, maybe in a coupla months. I know there has been lots of discussion of compressor replacement, system cleaning and such, but any thoughts would be useful in my hour of grief. In particular continuing with the 134. --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/** archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/**listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.* *comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_** okiebenz.comhttp://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front mats for '83 240D
Foam backing came of of 'spensive ones I got for 350SDL (2 sets - don't remember how long ago) and the 124 nearly 9 years ago. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front mats for '83 240D Figure that the really nice thick color coordinated MB ones were over $100 10 years ago and that is probably about right. The point is that they were pretty much a one time purchase if you took good care of them. Money well spent. Dan On Oct 16, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Man that seems expensive Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Just received what appears to be genuine Mercedes mats for my '83 240D; perfect color match; $182 incl frt. makes a big difference in appearance when the drivers side doors are opened. Gerry On Oct 6, 2013 4:14 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Looks like the palomino in my 91 350SDL; 2 sets of 'em went with it to Chapel Hill with Tim. Yep, not sure the 126 mats fit in the 123 though. I thought you could read interior color off the VIN panel. I have non-original but OE mats (I think from an 83) in the 77 that are slightly lighter than the old ones. I would have described both interiors as Palomino, but the difference is obvious close up. I tracked in a bunch of leaves so now I don't notice it anymore. ;) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3614/6753 - Release Date: 10/15/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Compressor seized
I don't think the retrofit-rated R134a oils are nearly as good as the old R12 mineral oil. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Compressor seized
do you think that 134 leads to earlier compressor failure than R12? On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I don't think the retrofit-rated R134a oils are nearly as good as the old R12 mineral oil. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Compressor seized
do you think that 134 leads to earlier compressor failure than R12? _Retrofit_ R134a, yes. I have no strong evidence, that's just what I believe. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Compressor seized
You really need to get all the old oil out, and do a very good job of leak repair and vacuum -- R134a produces hydrofluoric acid in the presence of heat and water, very corrosive. Absolutely dry is a must, unlike R12 which breaks down less (but not that much less). The ester or polyol oils used for 134a do not mix with the old mineral oil at all, with the result that there is a mist of mineral oil suspended in the gas stream instead of dissolved in it, and that can cause trouble too. In a clean system with the correct oil, 134A systems will run as long as R12 systems. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Compressor seized
yes, i sought your opinion on the matter :) On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: do you think that 134 leads to earlier compressor failure than R12? _Retrofit_ R134a, yes. I have no strong evidence, that's just what I believe. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
Peter Frederick wrote: I just revived a 2006 MacBook Pro with flaky video by reflowing the logic board and cleaning fans. I've got some Arctic Sliver 5 thermal paste I will be installing when I get a chance, along with blowing out all the dust from the radiators. For most uses, I think paste is paste. 1-2°C isn't worth worrying about. If I had an Apple, or a pc laptop with dedicated graphics, I'd be looking for the best paste I could find. (when the fan died in a friend's gaming laptop last year, I got a new fan and heat pipe assembly, did some searching, and bought the Timtronics 4200 stuff for it) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Compressor seized
Back in the R-12 days a buck stepped in front of my Dodge on a foggy night and broke several A/C lines among other things. At the A/C shop the mechanic shot something through the condenser that smelled like mineral spirits and he verified that it was mineral spirits. I buy quart cans of A/C flushing solvent and pump the contents repeatedly through all components after installing a new pump; which seems to work okay, but I've always wondered if much cheaper mineral spirits could be used in larger quantities when converting from R-134 back to R-12 or one of the propane-butane mixes. Also, when cleaning the system that way, do you flush the pump as well, and if so, how do you get all the solvent out of the pump without removing it from the car? Thanks, Gerry You really need to get all the old oil out, and do a very good job of leak repair and vacuum -- R134a produces hydrofluoric acid in the presence of heat and water, very corrosive. Absolutely dry is a must, unlike R12 which breaks down less (but not that much less). The ester or polyol oils used for 134a do not mix with the old mineral oil at all, with the result that there is a mist of mineral oil suspended in the gas stream instead of dissolved in it, and that can cause trouble too. In a clean system with the correct oil, 134A systems will run as long as R12 systems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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