Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT: Flying with a grown, 18 lb. cat
He can fly in an under the seat carrier, the dimensions of which you can get on the airlines' web sites. You can also find them in pet stores, too. I have flown with cats up to 12 lbs. in an under seat carrier, and while it was tight, they survived. 18 lbs. might be pushing it. Have done the crate in the cargo hold approach, too, but that's near impossible to do his time of year due to the temperatures.. While one might think the cat would be freaked out, according to animal behaviorists they like the close quarters, much as they would by hiding under a bed or piece of furniture, for example. Right. Be sure it's chipped and properly immunized before you go. Dan On Jan 25, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So I will be gone for 5 days and am toying with the idea of taking the 8 year old black cat along with me on the flight. At 18+ lbs is he too heavy to fly in the cabin? He would have to be with me, since he is and indoor cat not used to traveling. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is it just me...yes it is
I do. First MB I owned, and chose it over the Volvo mainly due to looks (and the marque, of course!) Dan On Jan 25, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So who besides me thinks the W123 station wagon is stylish? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
One of the many programs the military channel focused on Hitlers commands during WW2. They said there were a number of attempts to assassinate him but the Allies decided his directions of the military would help the Allies win more than removing him from the picture. They may be right as he made some dumb commands that probably cost them way to many lives. Often when his Army got in trouble and needed to retreat and regroup Hitler's standard command was to never retreat. Several of his armies might have survived to fight another day if he had allowed them to retreat. He was also indecisive and changed his mind often. Possibly, if one of his Generals/Admirals had taken over they may have made better tactical decisions. The guy running the U-Boat program (Carnais - misspelled?) was put in charge at the end and he was infinitely better at running military operations than Hitler. Hitler managed some spectacular victories early in the war but the wins were more about their opponents lack of preparation for a modern mechanical war surprise than brilliant tactics. The Polish army was a match for the Germans but they tried to fight tanks while on horses. Also, the French had a larger army and more tanks but their tactics was lacking, often using their tanks in too small numbers. But I'm not so sure the masses of Germans would follow someone like they did Hitler... Sincerely, Larry On 1/25/2014 10:01 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: Well for one thing the US might not have made shiploads of cash from WW2. Or worse still, someone with some real brains and talent, instead of a self deluded nutjob might have risen to power in Germany and won the war. Hitlers insanity is arguably the key reason that Germany lost the war. Hendrik who is mildly suffering from nutjobosis On 23/01/14 21:37, Mitch Haley wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Some are of great value to the citizens in their realm such as was the plutocracy that controlled Venice, the richest city in Europe during the Middle Ages. It's citizens prospered due to the decisions of the wealthy families of Venice. And then, the fatal error. They decided Hitler's artwork wasn't worth buying. Imagine how different the world would be if that nutbag had been an impoverished artist instead of a starving artist. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is it just me...yes it is
Um, me:) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: So who besides me thinks the W123 station wagon is stylish? On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: Well not up there with w111 for sure. My favorite driver is my w124 but I think it is almost ugly compared to earlier setues. No offense to Bruno Saco. On Jan 24, 2014 9:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not bad, but not all that great either. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Well IMHO a 123 coupe has beautiful lines as well. On Jan 24, 2014 8:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: OTOH, the W111 coupes are among the most beautiful cars ever designed. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: The W112 had all the fancy moulding. That's the easy way to pick one out in a crowd. Dan On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:54 PM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: I like the early fins and all the chrome moulding which I have seen on one black sedan. Black is the only color I would have. R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is it just me...yes it is From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Date: Thu, January 23, 2014 4:14 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com The fins are the same as on the '57 Chevy, Caddy, etc. - pure cosmetic appeal to the masses of the time. I find them ugly and not functional - same as the swept back tails on the Cessna's starting in 1960. Hate them. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The 112, with the rounded over fins are beautiful cars. The 110/111 fins may not be endearing, but ahead of the fins, they are a beautiful car. If you don't mind the fins, the rear view of a 220S/230S/SE is very attractive. The early 110s with the trapezoidal tail lights look like they are winking at you. The 200/200D/230 tail lights make a good looking rear view. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
I'll never be convinced that Socialism is better than Freedom (which we are losing every day). Sincerely, Larry On 1/25/2014 2:13 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Leave out the free food, free housing, and free utilities and you have Canada, which is much safer and less loony that the USA, at least when I lived there. Socialism is why Europe (and Scandinavia, in particular) have a much better quality of life. Go and visit if you don't believe me. Better yet, visit and get sick. You'll be astonished at the quality of the care. Peter I did, and was not. It was miserable in Germany ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: People: This was supposed to be about Walmart not paying a living wage, which forces (some? Most? many?) of its associates to supplement their earnings with public assistance. Aren't we promoting a kind of socialism by redistributing our wealth so WM can maximize their profits? Are you proposing price controls, then? If Wal-Mart has to pay their slaves more, they're just going to pass the costs on to the rest of us anyway with higher prices. Mandatory higher wages + mandatory lower prices = GUM Department Store in Moscow. Hardly a shining example. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT: Flying with a grown, 18 lb. cat
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 06:52:01 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Be sure it's chipped and properly immunized before you go. Speaking of which, when you transport an animal in the cargo hold, they have to have a veterinary clearance with the proper paperwork. Does that apply to in-cabin transport, too? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT: Flying with a grown, 18 lb. cat
I transported a couple of cats in the cabin on Southwest in 2010 and there were no health check requirements. Their only thing is a limit of six pets in the cabin per flight. I have shipped animals as cargo, and in that case complete health checks must be provided with a minimum of seven days prior to the flight. Dan On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 06:52:01 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Be sure it's chipped and properly immunized before you go. Speaking of which, when you transport an animal in the cargo hold, they have to have a veterinary clearance with the proper paperwork. Does that apply to in-cabin transport, too? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
But I'm not so sure the masses of Germans would follow someone like they did Hitler... Sincerely, Larry obungler had the masses on oratory, not substance, just as 'Dolfie did. obungler's rise to power is a combination of Dolfie's and Yosef's tactics. Fortunately sheeple have begin to see the light and are leaving in droves. Next will be the burning of the reichstag, or an equivalent action I often wondered how so many people could be misled so much by Dolfie. But deluding people and whipping them up into a frenzy can be done by any deranged narcissist. After WWII, the japanese were asked about plans to invade the US. They said they had no plans to invade because of the armed population. That same fact, and amendment, is what is keeping the current deranged narcissist from following in Dolfie's footsteps. The list of en emies of the st ate has already been published by ja net neo politan. those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is it just me...yes it is
Me too. On Jan 26, 2014 9:49 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Um, me:) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: So who besides me thinks the W123 station wagon is stylish? On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Well not up there with w111 for sure. My favorite driver is my w124 but I think it is almost ugly compared to earlier setues. No offense to Bruno Saco. On Jan 24, 2014 9:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not bad, but not all that great either. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Well IMHO a 123 coupe has beautiful lines as well. On Jan 24, 2014 8:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: OTOH, the W111 coupes are among the most beautiful cars ever designed. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: The W112 had all the fancy moulding. That's the easy way to pick one out in a crowd. Dan On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:54 PM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: I like the early fins and all the chrome moulding which I have seen on one black sedan. Black is the only color I would have. R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is it just me...yes it is From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Date: Thu, January 23, 2014 4:14 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com The fins are the same as on the '57 Chevy, Caddy, etc. - pure cosmetic appeal to the masses of the time. I find them ugly and not functional - same as the swept back tails on the Cessna's starting in 1960. Hate them. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The 112, with the rounded over fins are beautiful cars. The 110/111 fins may not be endearing, but ahead of the fins, they are a beautiful car. If you don't mind the fins, the rear view of a 220S/230S/SE is very attractive. The early 110s with the trapezoidal tail lights look like they are winking at you. The 200/200D/230 tail lights make a good looking rear view. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Socialism only works as long as it has an unlimited supply of other peoples money to spend. In each case stated in this thread of European countries with socialism and big government providing state health care , etc etc etc.. the tax rates paid by those who work are in the extreme range. ie. your work product is taken by the state and given to others who did not. Not my idea of utopia ... your personal mileage may vary. If it is really what you want, and how you wish to live, there are no restrictions on leaving this country. Go there, be happy. As for myself, the pursuit of happiness requires that I keep what I earn and spend it as I see fit. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I'll never be convinced that Socialism is better than Freedom (which we are losing every day). Sincerely, Larry On 1/25/2014 2:13 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Leave out the free food, free housing, and free utilities and you have Canada, which is much safer and less loony that the USA, at least when I lived there. Socialism is why Europe (and Scandinavia, in particular) have a much better quality of life. Go and visit if you don't believe me. Better yet, visit and get sick. You'll be astonished at the quality of the care. Peter I did, and was not. It was miserable in Germany ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: 'Nother marketing genius
http://www.cartalk.com/content/volvo-v60-diesel-hybrid-it-car-isn't won't be sold in the US Rivals the geniuses at MomBUSA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
G Mann wrote: In each case stated in this thread of European countries with socialism and big government providing state health care , etc etc etc.. the tax rates paid by those who work are in the extreme range. ie. your work product is taken by the state and given to others who did not. And it all grinds to a halt when a critical mass of the populace decides it's better to ride the gravy train than to pull it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT: Flying with a grown, 18 lb. cat
Craig wrote: How small a carrier will he fit in? Craig For an instant there, I thought you were talking about naval vessels and sexy parts vendors. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
It would appear [stay with me on this point please] that there is a critical mass point of gravy train population that can cause socialism to continue, however, in every case to date in history, that point is only a temporary sliding event that happens before the working people [who produce the capital necessary to support the funding and credit the whole house of cards is balanced on] stop producing. They simply quit, or die, or leave. History is a cruel teacher, but an exacting one. To refute this argument please give a list of self sustaining socialist civilizations that have survived on their own merits? It is a basic law of nature. You don't work, you starve and die. The Bible says, in pertinent part, Even the sparrow shall not want however, a careful study will show that no where does it say, God will put the food in the sparrows mouth.. even that sparrow must go work for it's food. Socialism, however, doesn't believe in God, it believes it IS god. So it believes it has no need to follow the rule of nature. Let me know how that works out... ha. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: G Mann wrote: In each case stated in this thread of European countries with socialism and big government providing state health care , etc etc etc.. the tax rates paid by those who work are in the extreme range. ie. your work product is taken by the state and given to others who did not. And it all grinds to a halt when a critical mass of the populace decides it's better to ride the gravy train than to pull it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Herr Mann, the man's man sez: Not my idea of utopia ... your personal mileage may vary. If it is really what you want, and how you wish to live, there are no restrictions on leaving this country. Go there, be happy. As for myself, the pursuit of happiness requires that I keep what I earn and spend it as I see fit. Actually there is no restriction on starting private socialism experiments here in the USA. Thousands have tried, and every one has failed. Socialism and its related isms(progressiveism) always fail. Every experiment with socialist colonies in America, and later the US of A has failed. There are a few hippie communes still around, but they too will fail. the ones around exist only because the population is just a half dozen or so people. I'd guess those too would fail but for the welfare system. so they exist only because of a perceived unlimited supply of other peoples money, taken at gunpoint. (stolen) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT: Flying with a grown, 18 lb. cat
Ouch, poor Jabba. Lol. Good one Mitch. Mike On Jan 26, 2014 10:58 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Craig wrote: How small a carrier will he fit in? Craig For an instant there, I thought you were talking about naval vessels and sexy parts vendors. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 09:04:36 -0700 G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: It is a basic law of nature. You don't work, you starve and die. The Bible says, in pertinent part, Even the sparrow shall not want however, a careful study will show that no where does it say, God will put the food in the sparrows mouth.. even that sparrow must go work for it's food. I think you are thinking of Matthew 6:26: Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? Socialism, however, doesn't believe in God, it believes it IS god. So it believes it has no need to follow the rule of nature. Let me know how that works out... ha. I think the appropriate text here is 2 Thessalonians 3:10: For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. This text is what led Governor Bradford of the Massachusetts Colony to change from a socialistic system to a capitolistic system and thus led to the preservation of the Colony. Another appropriate text is Ephesians 4:28: Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. Craig P.S. I cheated in looking these up; I used http://www.biblegateway.com/. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Subject: Re: Way beyond OT: Flying with a grown, 18 lb. cat
Andrew Get a Thundershirt [$40] to relieve the enormous stress a cat goes thru. For 5 days I don't think its worth it. Indoor cats stress out more than usual.. In fact I don't get rabies shots for my 2 indoor cats. I used to take them on a 2 hour drive to the shore house lots of times but not anymore since they are more comfortable at a familiar environment[home]. If I were close to you I'd sit them for youjust my 2 cents If you don't have rabies shots , cats can be taken away from you with the new standards today... I don't trust anybody with my 2 kids Bob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Let prices rise, let people not have so much stuff. Our society is completely focused on buying low priced crap and using consumerism to fill the void left by lack of interpersonal communication. People would rather shop than build anything, be that things or connections with other people... -Curt Buying as little as possible, fixing things as often as practical and sometimes even beyond. Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 08:59:09 -0600 From: M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth Message-ID: CAEjCuGWLPtZoHWQSV4Mnq=xakxy2ognpy5q1jfqw-gcqwrk...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: People: This was supposed to be about Walmart not paying a living wage, which forces (some? Most? many?) of its associates to supplement their earnings with public assistance. Aren't we promoting a kind of socialism by redistributing our wealth so WM can maximize their profits? Are you proposing price controls, then? If Wal-Mart has to pay their slaves more, they're just going to pass the costs on to the rest of us anyway with higher prices. Mandatory higher wages + mandatory lower prices = GUM Department Store in Moscow. Hardly a shining example. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera
When shooting outdoors in the daytime lights are usually not required, a bounce card (think cardboard covered with aluminum foil) might be useful in some cases to bounce some more light onto a specific spot but again usually not required. Indoors I've had decent luck with a halogen work light, throws a ton of light for little money. Some kits come with stands and hooks and whatnot. I've also had decent luck with just a compact fluorescent in a clamp on worklight. Today's cameras can white balance on the fly so you don't end up looking green like you would have in the old days. But yeah, the two biggest complaints I have about Youtube stuff is audio and lighting, especially audio... -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 01:28:52 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera Message-ID: 20140126012852.2da20...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII It almost hard to find a camera with poor video. And - in my opinion - the best way to make a video look good is improve the audio. With that in mind, I would insist on a camera with a mic jack. Unless you plan to narrate the entire thing during post production (editing). A tripod is pretty important too. If you plan to pan/tilt the camera while the tape is running, plan to get a video tripod. If it won't move, any tripod that will hold the camera still should be fine. And at least a couple lights - video lights could be nice, but even just a couple matching lamps in droplights or those spun aluminum reflector cone things. Our eyes are much more forgiving of poor light than the camera. I think the situation has improved, but a few years ago there was often trouble with incompatible codecs between the solidstate record cameras and the edit software. May still be worth checking. I'm quite please with the service and feature set of the various Canon still and video cameras I have owned and used. That's where I would start. *smiles* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera
While the newest video camera I have is a 3 CCD Panasonic standard def, the one thing that has made the results from it as professional as possible is the RODE shotgun mic I use with it. If you buy an external microphone for a video camera and you're a prosumer, the RODE is probably the best bang for your buck. http://www.rodemic.com/mics/videomic Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2014, at 2:28 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Rick wrote: What is a good reasonable digital video camera for posting YouTube videos? I was thinking GoPro, but I dislike the fisheye (wide angle) lens. I was going to start videoing MB repairs and posting them (MB content). It almost hard to find a camera with poor video. And - in my opinion - the best way to make a video look good is improve the audio. With that in mind, I would insist on a camera with a mic jack. Unless you plan to narrate the entire thing during post production (editing). A tripod is pretty important too. If you plan to pan/tilt the camera while the tape is running, plan to get a video tripod. If it won't move, any tripod that will hold the camera still should be fine. And at least a couple lights - video lights could be nice, but even just a couple matching lamps in droplights or those spun aluminum reflector cone things. Our eyes are much more forgiving of poor light than the camera. I think the situation has improved, but a few years ago there was often trouble with incompatible codecs between the solidstate record cameras and the edit software. May still be worth checking. I'm quite please with the service and feature set of the various Canon still and video cameras I have owned and used. That's where I would start. *smiles* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
The biggest problem for people making a living will be obamacare which is already forcing many companies to reduce their employees to part time status to avoid the punitive cost/fees. Hasn't been talked about that I know of, but when those people go to part time status they not only lose part of their paycheck, they also lose all benefits; not just health insurance, They'll lose life insurance, vacation, sick leave and participation in company savings programs. Back when Home Depot was getting started and their stock price was exploding you could see millionaires working in the tool or wood department as employees bought stock and saw its price skyrocket. It's not like that anymore of course. BTW, the minimum wage was always intended to be a starting wage. A way for people to enter the workforce and learn how to work, how to dress for work, work with customers, arrive on time, etc. As they learned, they would get more responsibility and money and value as they gain experience . Some are calling for a $15 min. wage - do the proponents of a higher min wage agree with $15? if so, how about $20/hr? $30/hr/ $40/hr? after all, if a person is earning a min. wage and trying to raise a family, $40 or $50/hr would be better, right? Of course that's right, but there would be no _/jobs/_ that would pay that kind of outrageous salary! Even at $15/hr. the number of jobs available would shrink dramatically. Same for $10. If a company cannot pay the min. wage there will not be a job offered. BTW, when a company pays someone $15/hr it actually costs the company around twice that much for training, insurance, FICA, etc. So a $15/hr (~$30K/yr) position will cost the company $~60K/yr. There's a lot of min wage jobs in the fast food market - if the min wage gets raised much you won't be placing your order for a Big Mac with a person - you'll be talking to a robot - the bulk of the min wage jobs will disappear in fast food. sorry, rant off... Sincerely, Larry On 1/25/2014 12:25 PM, David Kristin Gilmore wrote: On 1/22/2014 4:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Walmart is able to charge so litle because it pays its workers so little. Many of them are on public assistance to make ends meet because WM doesn't pay them a living wage. I am troubled by the living wage concept. How much would that be, for how many hours, for what part of the country and who decides?Different wages for an individual and the head of a family? If for a family is it assumed that one adult stays at home with the children?If grandma lives next door? Or if there are no children or many or special needs? There would be so many ways to finagle such a system. What would it cost to administer and enforce? Would it not encourage employers toward further automation of low skilled jobs? Should the government make work for the unemployed? In contrast, the present safety net approach looks much more practical - encourage people to earn what they can and supplement their income if they are in need. Many people - low budget students for example - want temporary or part time work. Wouldn't we as a society be better off to encourage people to better themselves in this way rather than settle into a living wage sort of dead end job? The joke is that a Liberal Paradise would be a place where everyone is guaranteed employment, free healh care, free education, free food, free housing, free utilities, and only law enforcement personnel have guns. Such a place does exist. It is called prison. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV We're neither pure nor wise nor good. We'll do the best we know. We'll build our house and chop our wood. And make our garden grow. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Good points! BTW, your comment about our socialism loving individuals leaving the U.S. and going to a European country thriving on socialism. That never seems to be an option they consider - they only want to change the USA. IMO, Africa is a continent filled with very similar natural resources as the USA. All it needs is someone to organize things ;-) so they stop killing one another. I propose all the liberals (and Democrats if the shoe fits) who believe socialism is the perfect form of government, go to Africa and reorganize a country based on socialism, filled with only Socialist. Surely they'll be successful and other like minded people will join them? Then they can leave this nasty USA. BTW, our history is being re-written as fast as possible, and revisionist history is being taught in our schools but this does not alter the fact this country was founded by Christians. T. Jefferson is often called a Deist or atheist but when he was President he ordered copies of the bibles printed at government expense. so much for the so-called separation of church and state. He also created his own bible - appropriated called Jeffersons bible - he cut all of Jesus' quotes from other sources and pasted them onto pages - no apostles or disciples -- just Jesus Himself. IMO only someone who believed would do that. ;-) Sincerely, Larry On 1/26/2014 10:34 AM, G Mann wrote: Socialism only works as long as it has an unlimited supply of other peoples money to spend. In each case stated in this thread of European countries with socialism and big government providing state health care , etc etc etc.. the tax rates paid by those who work are in the extreme range. ie. your work product is taken by the state and given to others who did not. Not my idea of utopia ... your personal mileage may vary. If it is really what you want, and how you wish to live, there are no restrictions on leaving this country. Go there, be happy. As for myself, the pursuit of happiness requires that I keep what I earn and spend it as I see fit. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I'll never be convinced that Socialism is better than Freedom (which we are losing every day). Sincerely, Larry On 1/25/2014 2:13 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Leave out the free food, free housing, and free utilities and you have Canada, which is much safer and less loony that the USA, at least when I lived there. Socialism is why Europe (and Scandinavia, in particular) have a much better quality of life. Go and visit if you don't believe me. Better yet, visit and get sick. You'll be astonished at the quality of the care. Peter I did, and was not. It was miserable in Germany ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] WHAT DRIVES SUCCESS IN AMERICA?
What Drives Success? A SEEMINGLY un-American fact about America today is that for some groups, much more than others, upward mobility and the American dream are alive and well. It may be taboo to say it, but certain ethnic, religious and national-origin groups are doing strikingly better than Americans overall. Indian-Americans earn almost double the national figure (roughly $90,000 per year in median household income versus $50,000). Iranian-, Lebanese- and Chinese-Americans are also top-earners. In the last 30 years, Mormons have become leaders of corporate America, holding top positions in many of America’s most recognizable companies. These facts don’t make some groups “better” than others, and material success cannot be equated with a well-lived life. But willful blindness to facts is never a good policy. Jewish success is the most historically fraught and the most broad-based. Although Jews make up only about 2 percent of the United States’ adult population, they account for a third of the current Supreme Court; over two-thirds of Tony Award-winning lyricists and composers; and about a third of American Nobel laureates. The most comforting explanation of these facts is that they are mere artifacts of class — rich parents passing on advantages to their children — or of immigrants arriving in this country with high skill and education levels. Important as these factors are, they explain only a small part of the picture. Today’s wealthy Mormon businessmen often started from humble origins. Although India and China send the most immigrants to the United States through employment-based channels, almost half of all Indian immigrants and over half of Chinese immigrants do not enter the country under those criteria. Many are poor and poorly educated. Comprehensive data published by the Russell Sage Foundation in 2013 showed that the children of Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese immigrants experienced exceptional upward mobility regardless of their parents’ socioeconomic or educational background. Take New York City’s selective public high schools like Stuyvesant and Bronx Science, which are major Ivy League feeders. For the 2013 school year, Stuyvesant High School offered admission, based solely on a standardized entrance exam, to nine black students, 24 Hispanics, 177 whites and 620 Asians. Among the Asians of Chinese origin, many are the children of restaurant workers and other working-class immigrants. Merely stating the fact that certain groups do better than others — as measured by income, test scores and so on — is enough to provoke a firestorm in America today, and even charges of racism. The irony is that the facts actually debunk racial stereotypes. There are some black and Hispanic groups in America that far outperform some white and Asian groups. Immigrants from many West Indian and African countries, such as Jamaica, Ghana, and Haiti, are climbing America’s higher education ladder, but perhaps the most prominent are Nigerians. Nigerians make up less than 1 percent of the black population in the United States, yet in 2013 nearly one-quarter of the black students at Harvard Business School were of Nigerian ancestry; over a fourth of Nigerian-Americans have a graduate or professional degree, as compared with only about 11 percent of whites. Cuban-Americans in Miami rose in one generation from widespread penury to relative affluence. By 1990, United States-born Cuban children — whose parents had arrived as exiles, many with practically nothing — were twice as likely as non-Hispanic whites to earn over $50,000 a year. All three Hispanic United States senators are Cuban-Americans. Meanwhile, some Asian-American groups — Cambodian- and Hmong-Americans, for example — are among the poorest in the country, as are some predominantly white communities in central Appalachia. MOST fundamentally, groups rise and fall over time. The fortunes of WASP elites have been declining for decades. In 1960, second-generation Greek-Americans reportedly had the second-highest income of any census-tracked group. Group success in America often tends to dissipate after two generations. Thus while Asian-American kids overall had SAT scores 143 points above average in 2012 — including a 63-point edge over whites — a 2005 study of over 20,000 adolescents found that third-generation Asian-American students performed no better academically than white students. The fact that groups rise and fall this way punctures the whole idea of “model minorities” or that groups succeed because of innate, biological differences. Rather, there are cultural forces at work. It turns out that for all their diversity, the strikingly successful groups in America today share three traits that, together, propel success. The first is a superiority complex — a deep-seated belief in their exceptionality. The second appears to be the opposite — insecurity, a feeling that
Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera thumbs
OK, use Bing instead. On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Google is being a pain, I try to sign in to ytube and then it want me to sign into my google account with a BS user name. I am starting to get a bit sick of google and the way it is bullying people into doing what they want. Hendrik who is a tad frustrated On 26/01/14 14:34, Dieselhead wrote: Hendrik who has yet to figure out how to publish vids from an ipod to adtube, have some nasty wicked footage of Australian killer drop bears attacking Lets see them thar ozzie drop bear attacks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WHAT DRIVES SUCCESS IN AMERICA?
This is an outstanding synthesis that seems well supported by facts. It is totally consistent with this old man's observations and life experience. I am surprised only by the source: NYT. Both the information presented and conclusions seem to conflict (rather violently) with the normal NYT editorial bias. Thanks for sharing. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of arche...@embarqmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 5:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] WHAT DRIVES SUCCESS IN AMERICA? What Drives Success? A SEEMINGLY un-American fact about America today is that for some groups, much more than others, upward mobility and the American dream are alive and well. It may be taboo to say it, but certain ethnic, religious and national-origin groups are doing strikingly better than Americans overall. Indian-Americans earn almost double the national figure (roughly $90,000 per year in median household income versus $50,000). Iranian-, Lebanese- and Chinese-Americans are also top-earners. In the last 30 years, Mormons have become leaders of corporate America, holding top positions in many of Americas most recognizable companies. These facts dont make some groups better than others, and material success cannot be equated with a well-lived life. But willful blindness to facts is never a good policy. Jewish success is the most historically fraught and the most broad-based. Although Jews make up only about 2 percent of the United States adult population, they account for a third of the current Supreme Court; over two-thirds of Tony Award-winning lyricists and composers; and about a third of American Nobel laureates. The most comforting explanation of these facts is that they are mere artifacts of class rich parents passing on advantages to their children or of immigrants arriving in this country with high skill and education levels. Important as these factors are, they explain only a small part of the picture. Todays wealthy Mormon businessmen often started from humble origins. Although India and China send the most immigrants to the United States through employment-based channels, almost half of all Indian immigrants and over half of Chinese immigrants do not enter the country under those criteria. Many are poor and poorly educated. Comprehensive data published by the Russell Sage Foundation in 2013 showed that the children of Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese immigrants experienced exceptional upward mobility regardless of their parents socioeconomic or educational background. Take New York Citys selective public high schools like Stuyvesant and Bronx Science, which are major Ivy League feeders. For the 2013 school year, Stuyvesant High School offered admission, based solely on a standardized entrance exam, to nine black students, 24 Hispanics, 177 whites and 620 Asians. Among the Asians of Chinese origin, many are the children of restaurant workers and other working-class immigrants. Merely stating the fact that certain groups do better than others as measured by income, test scores and so on is enough to provoke a firestorm in America today, and even charges of racism. The irony is that the facts actually debunk racial stereotypes. There are some black and Hispanic groups in America that far outperform some white and Asian groups. Immigrants from many West Indian and African countries, such as Jamaica, Ghana, and Haiti, are climbing Americas higher education ladder, but perhaps the most prominent are Nigerians. Nigerians make up less than 1 percent of the black population in the United States, yet in 2013 nearly one-quarter of the black students at Harvard Business School were of Nigerian ancestry; over a fourth of Nigerian-Americans have a graduate or professional degree, as compared with only about 11 percent of whites. Cuban-Americans in Miami rose in one generation from widespread penury to relative affluence. By 1990, United States-born Cuban children whose parents had arrived as exiles, many with practically nothing were twice as likely as non-Hispanic whites to earn over $50,000 a year. All three Hispanic United States senators are Cuban-Americans. Meanwhile, some Asian-American groups Cambodian- and Hmong-Americans, for example are among the poorest in the country, as are some predominantly white communities in central Appalachia. MOST fundamentally, groups rise and fall over time. The fortunes of WASP elites have been declining for decades. In 1960, second-generation Greek-Americans reportedly had the second-highest income of any census-tracked group. Group success in America often tends to dissipate after two generations. Thus while Asian-American kids overall had SAT scores 143 points above average in 2012 including a 63-point edge over whites a 2005 study of over 20,000 adolescents found that third-generation Asian-American
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
That is beyond the pale. Keep your wretched rantings to yourself. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: But I'm not so sure the masses of Germans would follow someone like they did Hitler... Sincerely, Larry obungler had the masses on oratory, not substance, just as 'Dolfie did. obungler's rise to power is a combination of Dolfie's and Yosef's tactics. Fortunately sheeple have begin to see the light and are leaving in droves. Next will be the burning of the reichstag, or an equivalent action I often wondered how so many people could be misled so much by Dolfie. But deluding people and whipping them up into a frenzy can be done by any deranged narcissist. After WWII, the japanese were asked about plans to invade the US. They said they had no plans to invade because of the armed population. That same fact, and amendment, is what is keeping the current deranged narcissist from following in Dolfie's footsteps. The list of en emies of the st ate has already been published by ja net neo politan. those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
So you are happy to fund welfare benefits for people who have a full time job, rather than require these corporations to pay a living wage? On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Let prices rise, let people not have so much stuff. Our society is completely focused on buying low priced crap and using consumerism to fill the void left by lack of interpersonal communication. People would rather shop than build anything, be that things or connections with other people... -Curt Buying as little as possible, fixing things as often as practical and sometimes even beyond. Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 08:59:09 -0600 From: M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth Message-ID: CAEjCuGWLPtZoHWQSV4Mnq=xakxy2ognpy5q1jfqw-gcqwrk...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: People: This was supposed to be about Walmart not paying a living wage, which forces (some? Most? many?) of its associates to supplement their earnings with public assistance. Aren't we promoting a kind of socialism by redistributing our wealth so WM can maximize their profits? Are you proposing price controls, then? If Wal-Mart has to pay their slaves more, they're just going to pass the costs on to the rest of us anyway with higher prices. Mandatory higher wages + mandatory lower prices = GUM Department Store in Moscow. Hardly a shining example. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WHAT DRIVES SUCCESS IN AMERICA?
Good article! It was marred only by failing to mention the other selective entry NYC high school: Brooklyn Tech. HS. It's about the CULTURE and FAMILY! Greg Disclaimer: I'm a graduate of Brooklyn Tech. My brother was also a Tech. graduate, and daughter currently teaches math there. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of arche...@embarqmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 2:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] WHAT DRIVES SUCCESS IN AMERICA? What Drives Success? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WHAT DRIVES SUCCESS IN AMERICA?
And I from Bronx Science, my older brother from Stuyvesant. Any other ex New Yorkers? On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: Good article! It was marred only by failing to mention the other selective entry NYC high school: Brooklyn Tech. HS. It's about the CULTURE and FAMILY! Greg Disclaimer: I'm a graduate of Brooklyn Tech. My brother was also a Tech. graduate, and daughter currently teaches math there. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of arche...@embarqmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 2:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] WHAT DRIVES SUCCESS IN AMERICA? What Drives Success? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
A few problems here: Back in the 30s (WPA) public works projects used large numbers of semi-skilled men to do brute-force labor. Now we use just a few skilled heavy equipment operators (and lots of supervisors) to do that same job. Besides, there are few native-born Americans who would be willing to do that back-breaking work under primitive living conditions like the WPA. They believe they DESERVE better. Scott -Original Message- From: clay Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:40 PM ... Building dams, highways, lodges in national parks, improving the nation in some manner will give them a stake in the success of America. They have ownership interests and take offense at their efforts coming to nothing. Most of the WPA folks are long dead, but when they talked of their work, there was pride and a sense of belonging when they visited a location they had toiled day at night to improve. If they did not go off to WWII, they worked at shipyards or other needed industries. Today there is nothing in which to take pride, since we no longer make anything. .. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the common good. Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 10:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people H F wrote: I personally don't think concentration of wealth to that degree is. ... Perhaps one of the differences is that we see the person that is a trillionaire whereas years ago we never knew who was the trillionaire in the neighborhood. Wealth is more conspicuous today, that's all. We need to quit bitchn' and count our blessings. We are wealthy. Not trillionaire wealthy, but wealthy... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
On Jan 26, 2014, at 4:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: That is beyond the pale. That's the first time I've ever heard that expression. Definition please. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Hendrick asked: ...Where are the jobs? I would suggest that the cancer of Government meddling and policies has been slowly killing mid-level jobs throughout the US. Constantly growing and ever changing regulation from OSHA, EPA, IRS, etc. etc. create a friction and an overhead cost of doing business such that only large companies with armies of lawyers and accountants can hope to comply. Mandates from the employer's SSA contribution, taxes, and (now) mandated health care have made US employees non-competitive on the world stage except for high-salary jobs (where these costs are small potatoes) and low-level service jobs which can't be exported. But maybe some of the employee-related costs can be shed at the employee's expense. I think this is all pretty obvious. But I'm unsure if it's simply an unintended consequence of liberal idealism run amuck or if it's actually the desired result. If you rob Peter to Pay Paul, you can usually depend on Paul's support. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Scott wrote: Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? +1 mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
Dieselhead wrote: After WWII, the japanese were asked about plans to invade the US. They said they had no plans to invade because of the armed population. Guns are not much fear today. Plenty of guns among us, but little if any cohesive ability to rally troops to any cause due to myriad interweb/tv/radio leads. Who do we shoot? Who are the bad guys? So we sit loaded and ready but insecure which is the bad guy we are readying to shoot. Add in zero interpersonal communications at church/tavern/club - its all at FB/TW/... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Larry wrote: I'll never be convinced that Socialism is better than Freedom (which we are losing every day). I agree, but... We must realize we have zero lab experience with anything other than what we know as free markets. In reality, these markets are not free. These markets are not allowed to fail which defines something other than free. We may be experiencing a form of socialism if we escape the indoctrination brain wash that we all receive via tv/media/radio/interweb that this is free market. There is very little free in what we see today. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:59 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I think this is all pretty obvious. But I'm unsure if it's simply an unintended consequence of liberal idealism run amuck or if it's actually the desired result. IMHO, there_is_no_such_thing as unintended consequences in law making. And no, I am not a conspiracy nut. If the consequences were unintended, it would be a simple matter to amend said legislation. They don't. Ever. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Craig wrote: Another appropriate text is Ephesians 4:28: Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. More follow up: I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive. Neither of these leaves room for greed or amassing of wealth, perhaps? And perhaps this is what is critical against the accumulation of wealth - giving rather than receiving. Perhaps we should rather give as we receive so that we do not amass a fortune that needs to be dispersed. i.e. WarrenB gives more than he receives and starts a revolution rather than establishing socialism. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
Over the top; inexcusable; beyond the bounds of civilized discourse. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Dieselhead wrote: After WWII, the japanese were asked about plans to invade the US. They said they had no plans to invade because of the armed population. Guns are not much fear today. Plenty of guns among us, but little if any cohesive ability to rally troops to any cause due to myriad interweb/tv/radio leads. Who do we shoot? Who are the bad guys? So we sit loaded and ready but insecure which is the bad guy we are readying to shoot. Add in zero interpersonal communications at church/tavern/club - its all at FB/TW/... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Rick wrote: IMHO, there_is_no_such_thing as unintended consequences in law making. Ain't no conspiracy in that at all. That speaks of experience and observation, totally. What is uncertain, however, is the result. What happens next? Will to do, will to sacrifice, and determination are what brings us through tough times. Determination in the face of terrible odds usually wins. Wealth amassed no matter the amount does little against a few people willing to die. They die, but some make it through the confrontation and win... whatever that means... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
Andrew wrote: Over the top; inexcusable; beyond the bounds of civilized discourse. Totally. But, that is the context of the answer Japan gave 70 years ago, supposedly. That context has no reality today, I suspect. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
All good efforts in finding quotations from Bible, my thanks and respect for those who went the extra mile. Regards the quote above of Tis more blessed to give than receive . It is indeed, when that giving is done with good intent and given freely from product of your own labors. The rub comes when that giving is done by others, with the treasure or goods taken from others by force, deception, or theft... and when that giving' is done for the express purpose of gaining power over the less fortunate, or electing yourself to office, or some other material gain which you benefit from the original theft. In my Theology classes.. that would have a compound sin... But, it would buy you an E ticket ride to hell.. ;)) [or prison] Grant... On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Craig wrote: Another appropriate text is Ephesians 4:28: Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. More follow up: I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive. Neither of these leaves room for greed or amassing of wealth, perhaps? And perhaps this is what is critical against the accumulation of wealth - giving rather than receiving. Perhaps we should rather give as we receive so that we do not amass a fortune that needs to be dispersed. i.e. WarrenB gives more than he receives and starts a revolution rather than establishing socialism. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
It's a problem insofar that the ability to build businesses rest with a few, who may or may not be inclined to start new ventures. For instance are we seeing the Waltons building factories in the US to produce goods to sell at wallymart? (as a side note, they are generous in donations but) Is Apple building factories or producing iWhatever in the states. Are any components in iProducts produced in western countries? OK Apple does perhaps do a lot of high level designing/programming in Cally but that don't help average Joe get a job. Then we start looking beyond our own back yard and go to the poorer places, now they don't have too many billonaires or even millonaires, so are relying on outside help to build their economy. The help they seem to be getting is multi nationals going in there and paying the lowest wage they can, which in turn does not help the economy, as the money just don't flow. There are a lot more factors that go into it but the basis is that if the wealth is more spread out, then there is more chance of those who can do something, will do something to give others a leg up, instead of a hand out. Hendrik who sponsors a child in Vietnam On 27/01/14 11:58, Mountain Man wrote: Scott wrote: Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? +1 mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT: Flying with a grown, 18 lb. cat
Speaking of shipping animals, I managed to be the third person in line behind a man mailing approx. 20 live racing pigeons at the USPS office last week. They were going to someplace in New Mexico. If Andrew had a Cessna, it could ride in the co-pilots seat! On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I have shipped animals as cargo, and in that case complete health checks must be provided with a minimum of seven days prior to the flight. Dan -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and jobs
Well yeah, that's a large part of the problem, in a few years we won't be making cars here anymore, mostly because it's cheaper to build them in Asia, plus what we build is not popular and not very special. Actually wages are higher in Germany but they make cars that people want. Just about every day I read about another factory shutting down here to move OS, whether it is profit maximisation or survival I do not know. Basically it's not a level playing field, we have pretty much abolished all the tariffs and have free trade agreements with a lot of countries but that has basically killed manufacturing here. I suppose that is good for the consumer, insofar that they stuff is cheaper but the problem is, it don't matter how cheap it is, if you have no job and no money. So I guess I should not be whining, as I too am guilty of buying the cheap stuff. I just have to weather the storm of people not spending a lot on large scale home improvements but are spending on pleasure items for that quick fix. Hendrik who might have to find some part time work but we don't have walmart here but are getting costco and Aldi http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/big-jobs-boost-as-retailer-costco-launches-in-south-australia/story-fni6uo1m-1226800110265 On 27/01/14 11:30, Scott Ritchey wrote: Hendrick asked: ...Where are the jobs? I would suggest that the cancer of Government meddling and policies has been slowly killing mid-level jobs throughout the US. Constantly growing and ever changing regulation from OSHA, EPA, IRS, etc. etc. create a friction and an overhead cost of doing business such that only large companies with armies of lawyers and accountants can hope to comply. Mandates from the employer's SSA contribution, taxes, and (now) mandated health care have made US employees non-competitive on the world stage except for high-salary jobs (where these costs are small potatoes) and low-level service jobs which can't be exported. But maybe some of the employee-related costs can be shed at the employee's expense. I think this is all pretty obvious. But I'm unsure if it's simply an unintended consequence of liberal idealism run amuck or if it's actually the desired result. If you rob Peter to Pay Paul, you can usually depend on Paul's support. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WHAT DRIVES SUCCESS IN AMERICA?
On a similar note, years ago, Ford noticed they were having a lot of trouble with Ranger transmissions going bad. They had 2 plants building what were supposed to be identical assemblies. One in the US, one in Japan. They noticed the units from the US plant seemed to be the ones with the most failures. After much research they found the problem. When an employees in Japan was given a print and a part was supposed to be within a range of say .002-.005 he would strive to get as close to perfect as possible while the US worker would be happy as long as it was within spec. Draw your own conclusions. Mike On Jan 26, 2014 6:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: And I from Bronx Science, my older brother from Stuyvesant. Any other ex New Yorkers? On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: Good article! It was marred only by failing to mention the other selective entry NYC high school: Brooklyn Tech. HS. It's about the CULTURE and FAMILY! Greg Disclaimer: I'm a graduate of Brooklyn Tech. My brother was also a Tech. graduate, and daughter currently teaches math there. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of arche...@embarqmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 2:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] WHAT DRIVES SUCCESS IN AMERICA? What Drives Success? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
I had dinner with my cousin last night. Her husband works for Gulfstream in Savannah. They build G-650s there, which start at $65mil. If one were to order one today it would take at least 3 years to get it. He says there are people who pull out their checkbook to try to buy out someone further up the queue. These are likely rich folks or corporations. So Gulfstream have 5 or 6 factories around the country, all working flat out to build various aircraft. That $65mil and whatever the others cost employs thousands of people, supports various other industries, keeps the economies of their home communities going, and must add at least that value to their buyers in some ways. Oh, and to run one costs a fair amount of the purchase price each year, requires many pilots, hangars, fuel, maintenance etc etc which also keeps the economy going. And apparently did quite well even over the past few years. So, seems to me like rich folks and corporations have positive effects as well, whatever vilification the various politicos want to heap on them. Hell, I'd like to buy a G-650 and trod down all y'all. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the common good. Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT: Flying with a grown, 18 lb. cat
That's great raw material for a new fantasy. :) On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:37 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of shipping animals, I managed to be the third person in line behind a man mailing approx. 20 live racing pigeons at the USPS office last week. They were going to someplace in New Mexico. If Andrew had a Cessna, it could ride in the co-pilots seat! On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I have shipped animals as cargo, and in that case complete health checks must be provided with a minimum of seven days prior to the flight. Dan -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: IMHO, there_is_no_such_thing as unintended consequences in law making. And no, I am not a conspiracy nut. If the consequences were unintended, it would be a simple matter to amend said legislation. They don't. Ever. *Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.* —*Hanlon's razor* *Many journalists have fallen for the conspiracy theory of government. I do assure you that they would produce more accurate work if they adhered to the cock-up theory*. —*Bernard Ingham* .*..misunderstandings and neglect create more confusion in this world than trickery and malice. At any rate, the last two are certainly much less frequent*. —*Johann Wolfgang von Goethe*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor#cite_note-11 -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
This thread is coming close to rivaling an oil thread . . . On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:17 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.comwrote: IMHO, there_is_no_such_thing as unintended consequences in law making. And no, I am not a conspiracy nut. If the consequences were unintended, it would be a simple matter to amend said legislation. They don't. Ever. *Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.* —*Hanlon's razor* *Many journalists have fallen for the conspiracy theory of government. I do assure you that they would produce more accurate work if they adhered to the cock-up theory*. —*Bernard Ingham* .*..misunderstandings and neglect create more confusion in this world than trickery and malice. At any rate, the last two are certainly much less frequent*. —*Johann Wolfgang von Goethe*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor#cite_note-11 -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT:battery testing
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Re: [MBZ] OT:battery testing
Is this a spoof or merely brilliant insight? On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_m6p99l6ME ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:03:16 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Andrew wrote: Over the top; inexcusable; beyond the bounds of civilized discourse. Totally. But, that is the context of the answer Japan gave 70 years ago, supposedly. That context has no reality today, I suspect. mao Andrew wasn't commenting about your posting, Dan. He was answering Rick Knoble's question from a different sub-thread. He replied to your posting instead of directly replying to Rick's posting where the question was asked. Why? I don't know. He apparently likes to do that since this was the second time in a couple of days he has done it. It does make things confusing, doesn't it? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:40:54 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Larry wrote: I'll never be convinced that Socialism is better than Freedom (which we are losing every day). I agree, but... We must realize we have zero lab experience with anything other than what we know as free markets. Au contraire, mes ami. There is a lot of practical experience with socialism and its variants. Things work just fine until you run out of other people's money (and people who want to be controlled). There is very little free in what we see today. I can't argue that. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
