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Haha. You might as well move up to Maine. I don't think we got ten inches.

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> On Feb 13, 2014, at 9:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Back yard had 10" of heavy snow.  Had quite a workout shoveling out the
> driveway and removing snow from the covered 300TD ('83 version).
> 
> Andrew
> Cabin John, MD
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> 
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2558474/Weather-
>> At-12-dead-thousands-without-power.html#ixzz2tDgw81RB
>> 
>> The boy in DC sent me a pic of his parking lot this morning with snow
>> covering the cars, then the daughter unit had to respond with her parking
>> lot in Greensboro NC snow covering the cars too. Neither place can handle
>> it.  We only got rain here at the house, some of it was trying to turn to
>> "wintry mix" but that was mostly just a bit north, lot of icing.  My wife
>> left yesterday morning to go to work at like 5:30 or something, the bridges
>> off the island were closed due to icing (we have no capacity to spread any
>> sand or salt) so she came back home.  They opened them later in the day
>> after it warmed up a little bit so she went in, but the big bridge from
>> Charleston to Mt. Unpleasant is still closed as ice has formed on the
>> cables and as it melts it falls off and bombs cars.  2 weeks ago 3 or 4
>> cars got windshields blown out by falling ice.
>> 
>> I feel like I am back in Boston again, it is about 32F-34F, damp and
>> rainy, bordering on the "wintry" mix but it is supposed to be near 60F
>> tomorrow so will wait until then.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/13/14 3:08 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>>> 
>>> Its been snowing pretty good all day here in central New England.
>>> Yesterday the national weather service was calling for 8-14 inches. This
>>> morning they upped us to 10-18.
>>> 
>>> Just before lunch I rebuilt the starter/generator for my Cub Cadet which
>>> has the plow on it. The engine has been starting really hard lately and the
>>> starter was getting pokey, I'd have to smack it with a hammer to get it to
>>> work sometimes. One bearing was a little crusty and the brushes were worn
>>> down pretty good. Back in place it still seems pokey but the battery is
>>> taking a full amp, I wonder if its been only charging occasionally which
>>> could cause slow cranking.
>>> 
>>> Then I took a couple snowmobiles for a spin, I was a little worried
>>> they'd frozen to the ground what with last week's storm when I was gone.
>>> Both started good and got loose with little trouble. Hard riding right now
>>> because its snowing so hard, visibility is poor and its windy. I also
>>> needed my heavy long underwear, I'd worn my light pair as I wanted to be
>>> able to move.
>>> 
>>> As usual we're prepared, 4 gallons of kerosene, 2 gallons of Coleman
>>> fuel, 2 gallons of straight gas, 2 gallons of propane in 1# cans, just
>>> under 1 cord of wood left, plenty of food. We could be off grid for 3-4
>>> days with no serious disruption at which point I'd have to start tapping
>>> the Ranger for gas and pull some diesel out of the cars. Plenty of diesel,
>>> the Jetta is full, 190D half full, 240D full...
>>> 
>>> Maybe I'll light the Aladdin lamp Fred gave me for some wintertime
>>> ambiance.
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

I answered the wrong question.
ooops...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

Jon wrote:
> Please expound.

Kaleb got stuck in ATL and some comments have been said about the
major carrier there - Delta.  Then Kaleb warns that we have a Delta
pilot reading okiebenz, so, I suggest you might be the Delta guy?
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

OK Don wrote:
> I think you have it reversed. the "older smaller steam gauge rigs" don't
> have much "computer control that pilots depend upon ".

Thanks for the clarify.
Yes, the steam gauge rigs require greater knowledge and experience of
airframe dynamics and I think that is forced out of the cockpit with
greater glass facilities and auto everything control and reliance on
that computer control.  Same goes for cars and that is why I like the
3-pedal 240D - probably not unlike the steam gauge rig.
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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

yeah, i can't say enough good things about whatever you do at delta.  don't
listen to all these haters!



On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:

> Nopeoriginal Delta from day one.  9/13 is on my schedule.  BTW, it'll be
> my 23rd anniversary at Delta.
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2014, at 9:24 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>
> > How's that 108 coming Jon? Put 9/13 in your flying schedule for
> chowdahQ7.
> > Did you originally fly for northwest before the merger?
> > On Feb 13, 2014 7:53 PM, "Jon Agne"  wrote:
> >
> >> Actually it was Dmitri, but yes.  I started in September of 1991.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Mountain Man 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Jon wrote:
>  Back in those days, that was how maintenance crews used to find the
> >> pressure leaks.
> 
> >>>
> >>> Are you our Delta employee Kleb mentioned?
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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

2014-02-13 Thread Dwight Giles

Well we will celebrate that too on 9/13.
On Feb 13, 2014 9:35 PM, "Jon Agne"  wrote:

> Nopeoriginal Delta from day one.  9/13 is on my schedule.  BTW, it'll be
> my 23rd anniversary at Delta.
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2014, at 9:24 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>
> > How's that 108 coming Jon? Put 9/13 in your flying schedule for
> chowdahQ7.
> > Did you originally fly for northwest before the merger?
> > On Feb 13, 2014 7:53 PM, "Jon Agne"  wrote:
> >
> >> Actually it was Dmitri, but yes.  I started in September of 1991.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Mountain Man 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Jon wrote:
>  Back in those days, that was how maintenance crews used to find the
> >> pressure leaks.
> 
> >>>
> >>> Are you our Delta employee Kleb mentioned?
> >>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] atl storm

2014-02-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

Randy, I don't mean to sound like Eeyore but my guess is mid-April at the
earliest due to the severity of your winter, even by Winnipeg standards..


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> Well, 48 days will take us into the first week of April.
> It was melting nicely a year ago.
> Snow in the ditches but the roads were bare as I recall.
>
>
>
> On 12/02/2014 9:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Only 48 days?  You must be joking.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Randy Bennell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On 12/02/2014 3:41 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
>>>
>>>  kaleb

 it's not a wimpy storm when no one has a snow tire or  chains and there
 is little snow removal/sanding equipment for the roads

 in Athens, GA i was just out and could almost ice skate in the road
 .
 it is still a little soft

 we're supposed to get up to an inch of ICE over night

 in 48 hours it should all be melted!
 thanks,

 xx rick
 Rick Hawkins

   Now there is the good part - in 48 hours it should be gone.

>>> Here in the GWN we have feet of snow and more coming and it may be gone
>>> in
>>> 48 days or more.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Snowpocalypse 2014

2014-02-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

Back yard had 10" of heavy snow.  Had quite a workout shoveling out the
driveway and removing snow from the covered 300TD ('83 version).

Andrew
Cabin John, MD


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2558474/Weather-
> At-12-dead-thousands-without-power.html#ixzz2tDgw81RB
>
> The boy in DC sent me a pic of his parking lot this morning with snow
> covering the cars, then the daughter unit had to respond with her parking
> lot in Greensboro NC snow covering the cars too. Neither place can handle
> it.  We only got rain here at the house, some of it was trying to turn to
> "wintry mix" but that was mostly just a bit north, lot of icing.  My wife
> left yesterday morning to go to work at like 5:30 or something, the bridges
> off the island were closed due to icing (we have no capacity to spread any
> sand or salt) so she came back home.  They opened them later in the day
> after it warmed up a little bit so she went in, but the big bridge from
> Charleston to Mt. Unpleasant is still closed as ice has formed on the
> cables and as it melts it falls off and bombs cars.  2 weeks ago 3 or 4
> cars got windshields blown out by falling ice.
>
> I feel like I am back in Boston again, it is about 32F-34F, damp and
> rainy, bordering on the "wintry" mix but it is supposed to be near 60F
> tomorrow so will wait until then.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 2/13/14 3:08 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>
>> Its been snowing pretty good all day here in central New England.
>> Yesterday the national weather service was calling for 8-14 inches. This
>> morning they upped us to 10-18.
>>
>> Just before lunch I rebuilt the starter/generator for my Cub Cadet which
>> has the plow on it. The engine has been starting really hard lately and the
>> starter was getting pokey, I'd have to smack it with a hammer to get it to
>> work sometimes. One bearing was a little crusty and the brushes were worn
>> down pretty good. Back in place it still seems pokey but the battery is
>> taking a full amp, I wonder if its been only charging occasionally which
>> could cause slow cranking.
>>
>> Then I took a couple snowmobiles for a spin, I was a little worried
>> they'd frozen to the ground what with last week's storm when I was gone.
>> Both started good and got loose with little trouble. Hard riding right now
>> because its snowing so hard, visibility is poor and its windy. I also
>> needed my heavy long underwear, I'd worn my light pair as I wanted to be
>> able to move.
>>
>> As usual we're prepared, 4 gallons of kerosene, 2 gallons of Coleman
>> fuel, 2 gallons of straight gas, 2 gallons of propane in 1# cans, just
>> under 1 cord of wood left, plenty of food. We could be off grid for 3-4
>> days with no serious disruption at which point I'd have to start tapping
>> the Ranger for gas and pull some diesel out of the cars. Plenty of diesel,
>> the Jetta is full, 190D half full, 240D full...
>>
>> Maybe I'll light the Aladdin lamp Fred gave me for some wintertime
>> ambiance.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Old guys

2014-02-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

Spectacularly real and incredibly moving.  Wish I had time to scroll
through all of them...


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> FABULOUS!
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Mountain Man  >wrote:
>
> > It says these pictures are from Smithsonian and are interesting.
> >
> > photosilke.blogspot.com/2013/03/historic-photos.html
> >
> > Enjoy.
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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

Nope….original Delta from day one.  9/13 is on my schedule.  BTW, it’ll be my 
23rd anniversary at Delta.


On Feb 13, 2014, at 9:24 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:

> How's that 108 coming Jon? Put 9/13 in your flying schedule for chowdahQ7.
> Did you originally fly for northwest before the merger?
> On Feb 13, 2014 7:53 PM, "Jon Agne"  wrote:
> 
>> Actually it was Dmitri, but yes.  I started in September of 1991.
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:
>> 
>>> Jon wrote:
 Back in those days, that was how maintenance crews used to find the
>> pressure leaks.
 
>>> 
>>> Are you our Delta employee Kleb mentioned?
>>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

I've got her running good, and just about the time I got the brakes sorted out, 
it was time to store.  Hoping and praying that she starts in the spring!


On Feb 13, 2014, at 9:24 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:

> How's that 108 coming Jon? Put 9/13 in your flying schedule for chowdahQ7.
> Did you originally fly for northwest before the merger?
> On Feb 13, 2014 7:53 PM, "Jon Agne"  wrote:
> 
>> Actually it was Dmitri, but yes.  I started in September of 1991.
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:
>> 
>>> Jon wrote:
 Back in those days, that was how maintenance crews used to find the
>> pressure leaks.
 
>>> 
>>> Are you our Delta employee Kleb mentioned?
>>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Curt's Birthday

2014-02-13 Thread Dwight Giles

Happy belated Curt. You are Only a few years older than my 300CD.
On Feb 13, 2014 3:46 PM, "Frederick Moir"  wrote:

> Happy Birthday! (Last week that was)
>
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> >
> > From: Curt Raymond 
> >To: Diesel List 
> >Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 2:31 PM
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin
> >
> >
> >I thought I was the youngest now that Luther doesn't hang out much
> anymore. Turned 38 last week.
> >
> >-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

2014-02-13 Thread Dwight Giles

How's that 108 coming Jon? Put 9/13 in your flying schedule for chowdahQ7.
Did you originally fly for northwest before the merger?
On Feb 13, 2014 7:53 PM, "Jon Agne"  wrote:

> Actually it was Dmitri, but yes.  I started in September of 1991.
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:
>
> > Jon wrote:
> >> Back in those days, that was how maintenance crews used to find the
> pressure leaks.
> >>
> >
> > Are you our Delta employee Kleb mentioned?
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin

2014-02-13 Thread Dieselhead


i'm 15.  you?


Stone?

-- Jim


No, IQ is 15

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

2014-02-13 Thread OK Don

I think you have it reversed. the "older smaller steam gauge rigs" don't
have much "computer control that pilots depend upon ".
The larger the aircraft, the more it resembles "too many small parts flying
in close formation" for my comfort.


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

>
> From stories I hear, that is becoming a rare expectation with all the
> computer control that pilots depend upon and rely on instead of their
> experience and knowledge of airframe dynamics, etc.  Especially in
> older smaller steam gauge rigs.
> mao
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

2014-02-13 Thread Scott Ritchey


Interesting account; I hadn't heard this one.  Some good airmanship there.
In my limited experience, when things start going wrong it's time to plan to
get back on the ground.

Scott

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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back!
> 
> Did you guys hear about the blown tire in Madrid a few weeks ago?  A Delta
> Boeing 767 hits a piece of metal on the runway just at rotation and tire
> #8 blows.  The debris knocked a hole in the top of the right wing so the
> passengers can see it.  In the process of knocking that hole in the wing,
> it severs the hydraulic lines for 2 of the 3 hydraulics systems:  Cannot
> raise the landing gear, Primary and alternate brakes inop..down to the
> brake accumulator,  no nose wheel steering, reverse thrust inop on right
> engine, normal flap extension/retraction inop (must use backup electric
> motors), etc., etc.
> 
> The crew elects for an immediate return and performs a textbook heavy-
> weight approach and landing to Madrid.  Brake accumulator fails at
> approximately 80 knots on rollout (remember, no nose wheel steering) so
> Captain uses reverse thrust on left engine to exit on a high speed taxiway
> and dribble off into the grass.
> 
> No injuries.
> 
> The moral of the story:  Blown tires in an aircraft are not to be taken
> lightly.
> 
> Just saying'.
> 
> I hope everyone is enjoying their winter storm!  I have a fire going, and
> am celebrating the fact that I am on off days!
> 
> Jon
> 
> 



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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

Please expound.


On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> From stories I hear, that is becoming a rare expectation with all the
> computer control that pilots depend upon and rely on

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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

Actually it was Dmitri, but yes.  I started in September of 1991.


On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> Jon wrote:
>> Back in those days, that was how maintenance crews used to find the pressure 
>> leaks.
>> 
> 
> Are you our Delta employee Kleb mentioned?
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

Randy wrote:
> The true moral of that story is that I want a good, well trained and
> competent pilot on my plane, thank you very  much.

>From stories I hear, that is becoming a rare expectation with all the
computer control that pilots depend upon and rely on instead of their
experience and knowledge of airframe dynamics, etc.  Especially in
older smaller steam gauge rigs.
mao

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Jon wrote:
> Back in those days, that was how maintenance crews used to find the pressure 
> leaks.
>

Are you our Delta employee Kleb mentioned?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin

Tim wrote:
> I just don't trust the government to let any
> serious alternative currency survive when the way to kill it is so well
> understood, and when it appears annoyingly difficult to trace to an
> individual human.

Now you are talking - thanks.
I have zero interest in bitcoin but the concept of currency outside of
big-bro is fascinating.  I don't worry about bad guys - they happen.
Bad guys happen more inside of big-bro than not.
mao

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That's what happened to the Concorde but it crashed and burned.

I went to the DR back like 25 yr ago, the plane we were on (a 727 if I 
recall) broke at Punta Cana and the crowd who supposed to leave couldn't 
until the airline could muster a part and a mechanic and an airplane to 
fly down there and fix the thing, which took another day or so.  The 
resort (Club Med) had to bus everyone somewhere else and put them up in 
hotels, not sure who paid for that.


--R


On 2/13/14 5:15 PM, Jon Agne wrote:

Did you guys hear about the blown tire in Madrid a few weeks ago?  A Delta 
Boeing 767 hits a piece of metal on the runway just at rotation and tire #8 
blows.  The debris knocked a hole in the top of the right wing so the 
passengers can see it.  In the process of knocking that hole in the wing, it 
severs the hydraulic lines for 2 of the 3 hydraulics systems:  Cannot raise the 
landing gear, Primary and alternate brakes inop….down to the brake accumulator, 
 no nose wheel steering, reverse thrust inop on right engine, normal flap 
extension/retraction inop (must use backup electric motors), etc., etc.

The crew elects for an immediate return and performs a textbook heavy-weight 
approach and landing to Madrid.  Brake accumulator fails at approximately 80 
knots on rollout (remember, no nose wheel steering) so Captain uses reverse 
thrust on left engine to exit on a high speed taxiway and dribble off into the 
grass.

No injuries.

The moral of the story:  Blown tires in an aircraft are not to be taken lightly.

Just saying’.

I hope everyone is enjoying their winter storm!  I have a fire going, and am 
celebrating the fact that I am on off days!

Jon


On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:


wouldn't he then know better than anyone what a POS low rent operation
delta is?


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:20 PM,  wrote:


Hey you know, one of us on this list is a Delta pilot so you better watch
it!! :)

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:09 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

wrote:

Good old delta and their junk planes strike again. You might see

something about a plane crash on the news tonight, will know in a minute

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:06 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

wrote:

Took off. About 45min into flying they say they think they blew a tire.

Getting ready to land in Atlanta again.

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: - 1987 300DT Warning Signs ?

2014-02-13 Thread Peter Frederick

Working AC -- replacing the evaporator is a huge PITA.  Probably 30%  
failed.


Check for hard hoses when cold, this is a sign the head is cracked.   
Not a deal breaker necessarily, but not all that cheap to fix.


Rear suspension -- if not done, all the links need to be replaced,  
else it will stagger around and eat tires.  Needs rear subframe mounts  
too, probably.


Front suspension is due for new tie rods and drag link, probably new  
idler arm bushings.


Must start easily at 0F, not rattle and knock, not use significant  
amounts of oil.


Most of the rest is pretty straightforward.

All of this can be fixed, the only really hard stuff is the evaporator  
or evidence of a cracked head.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

When was that?

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>  wrote:
> 
> What about the women?
> 
> --R
> 
>> On 2/13/14 10:09 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> I flew on Virgin and the FAs were super hot, each one could be in Playboy...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 coupes

2014-02-13 Thread Larry T

I saw a early W140 Diesel on CraigsList in Norfolk -  I asked if the 
engine had been repaired/replaced yet but so far he has not answered.  
That usually means he doesn't want to answer or it's sold.    not 
that I have the money to care for one anyway...


Sincerely,
Larry

On 2/12/2014 7:44 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
I would say yes, S class sedans are often bought/leased by companies, 
then bought S/H by people who want to present an image of wealth and 
success but don't have the money to properly look after them.
Whereas two door version are more likely to be bought by enthusiasts 
who spend money on them.


Hendrik
who does not have a S class and don't need one

On 13/02/14 03:57, Dan Penoff wrote:
Could be. Less likely to have been family cars due to the limited 
rear seat room.


Dan


On Feb 12, 2014, at 11:11 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

It seems as if the coupes out there are in better shape. Perhaps 
they were more pampered and driven less?


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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

2014-02-13 Thread Craig

On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 17:48:03 -0500 Jon Agne  wrote:

> Back in those days, that was how maintenance crews used to find the
> pressure leaks.  They would look for the nasty, gooey, sticky streaks
> on the fuselage exterior and follow it to the source.

Yuck!!!


> Nowadays, it’s a lot harder to find this things.

When I was a graduate student, we used a helium leak detector to find
leaks in our vacuum chambers. I presume that wouldn't work on an airplane
too well


Craig

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Back in those days, that was how maintenance crews used to find the pressure 
leaks.  They would look for the nasty, gooey, sticky streaks on the fuselage 
exterior and follow it to the source.  Nowadays, it’s a lot harder to find this 
things.

Jon


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> Oh yeah. I remember back in the 80's when they had a smoking section. Wow 
> have times changed!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>> 
>> i used to love the old days of smoking in the back as they planes were
>> often empty back there and you got to meet girls
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I once flew on an Eastern 727 from Atlanta to Milwaukee with one other
>>> passenger - otherwise the plane was empty. We played gin rummy with the
>>> cabin crew and had free drinks all the way back. It was fun.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
 On Feb 12, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
 
 you can get rooms around the airport in ATL for super cheap too if you do
 like the blind expedia deal.  i stayed at the westin in november and it
>>> was
 like 60 bucks
 
 i find the the no room on an empty plane pretty stunning but delta is a
 mess.  it's like those restaurants that are empty and they put you on a
 list and make you wait 20 minutes for a table.
 
 
 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin >>> wrote:
 
> So stupid delta put us on a flight tomorrow, cancelled it this morning
> going into atl, but to puj is still on time. So we head to tr airport
>>> bags
> packed, there was a flight leaving for Atlanta right now, they said no
> seats available on that flight, person at the gate has to call
>>> somebody, we
> get on phone with them, they somehow squeeze us on flight, have I stay
> overnight in atl, then fly out tomorrow. So I am actually sitting on
>>> plane
> right now, the damn thing is nearly empty. Wth? No seats available.
>>> There
> were other people that were booked on this flight they bumped. I just do
> not get it
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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

Oh yeah. I remember back in the 80's when they had a smoking section. Wow have 
times changed!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 12, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> 
> i used to love the old days of smoking in the back as they planes were
> often empty back there and you got to meet girls
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>> 
>> I once flew on an Eastern 727 from Atlanta to Milwaukee with one other
>> passenger - otherwise the plane was empty. We played gin rummy with the
>> cabin crew and had free drinks all the way back. It was fun.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>>> 
>>> you can get rooms around the airport in ATL for super cheap too if you do
>>> like the blind expedia deal.  i stayed at the westin in november and it
>> was
>>> like 60 bucks
>>> 
>>> i find the the no room on an empty plane pretty stunning but delta is a
>>> mess.  it's like those restaurants that are empty and they put you on a
>>> list and make you wait 20 minutes for a table.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin >> wrote:
>>> 
 So stupid delta put us on a flight tomorrow, cancelled it this morning
 going into atl, but to puj is still on time. So we head to tr airport
>> bags
 packed, there was a flight leaving for Atlanta right now, they said no
 seats available on that flight, person at the gate has to call
>> somebody, we
 get on phone with them, they somehow squeeze us on flight, have I stay
 overnight in atl, then fly out tomorrow. So I am actually sitting on
>> plane
 right now, the damn thing is nearly empty. Wth? No seats available.
>> There
 were other people that were booked on this flight they bumped. I just do
 not get it
 
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

2014-02-13 Thread Randy Bennell


On 13/02/2014 4:15 PM, Jon Agne wrote:

Did you guys hear about the blown tire in Madrid a few weeks ago?  A Delta 
Boeing 767 hits a piece of metal on the runway just at rotation and tire #8 
blows.  The debris knocked a hole in the top of the right wing so the 
passengers can see it.  In the process of knocking that hole in the wing, it 
severs the hydraulic lines for 2 of the 3 hydraulics systems:  Cannot raise the 
landing gear, Primary and alternate brakes inop….down to the brake accumulator, 
 no nose wheel steering, reverse thrust inop on right engine, normal flap 
extension/retraction inop (must use backup electric motors), etc., etc.

The crew elects for an immediate return and performs a textbook heavy-weight 
approach and landing to Madrid.  Brake accumulator fails at approximately 80 
knots on rollout (remember, no nose wheel steering) so Captain uses reverse 
thrust on left engine to exit on a high speed taxiway and dribble off into the 
grass.

No injuries.

The moral of the story:  Blown tires in an aircraft are not to be taken lightly.

Just saying’.

I hope everyone is enjoying their winter storm!  I have a fire going, and am 
celebrating the fact that I am on off days!

Jon



The true moral of that story is that I want a good, well trained and 
competent pilot on my plane, thank you very  much.

Once the tire blows, the damage is likely already done.
If the pilots on his plane had any concerns about the landing, they may 
well have preferred to do it in Atlanta rather than in the DR.
And, I suppose, if they felt any further damage might occur while flying 
to the DR, then it was wise not to do so.

Since they landed safely, I am prepared to say they made a good decision.

Randy

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Did you guys hear about the blown tire in Madrid a few weeks ago?  A Delta 
Boeing 767 hits a piece of metal on the runway just at rotation and tire #8 
blows.  The debris knocked a hole in the top of the right wing so the 
passengers can see it.  In the process of knocking that hole in the wing, it 
severs the hydraulic lines for 2 of the 3 hydraulics systems:  Cannot raise the 
landing gear, Primary and alternate brakes inop….down to the brake accumulator, 
 no nose wheel steering, reverse thrust inop on right engine, normal flap 
extension/retraction inop (must use backup electric motors), etc., etc.

The crew elects for an immediate return and performs a textbook heavy-weight 
approach and landing to Madrid.  Brake accumulator fails at approximately 80 
knots on rollout (remember, no nose wheel steering) so Captain uses reverse 
thrust on left engine to exit on a high speed taxiway and dribble off into the 
grass.

No injuries.

The moral of the story:  Blown tires in an aircraft are not to be taken lightly.

Just saying’.

I hope everyone is enjoying their winter storm!  I have a fire going, and am 
celebrating the fact that I am on off days!

Jon

On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> wouldn't he then know better than anyone what a POS low rent operation
> delta is?
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:20 PM,  wrote:
> 
>> Hey you know, one of us on this list is a Delta pilot so you better watch
>> it!! :)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:09 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good old delta and their junk planes strike again. You might see
>> something about a plane crash on the news tonight, will know in a minute
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:06 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>> wrote:

 Took off. About 45min into flying they say they think they blew a tire.
>> Getting ready to land in Atlanta again.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin

On Feb 13, 2014 2:34 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:
>
> I thought I was the youngest now that Luther doesn't hang out much
anymore. Turned 38 last week.

I meant those of us actively posting in the thread, but yes, I'm slightly
younger than you.  I am definitely not the youngest in banned.

To respond to Mao, I don't think the government is necessary for a currency
- that's Philip's contention, and he presumably only meant for fiat money.
I love the idea of Bitcoin, though I think the Liberty Dollar was a much
more rational experiment, and certainly there are plenty of
non-governmental banks and institutions I trust to deliver value in
exchange for sheets of paper.  I just don't trust the government to let any
serious alternative currency survive when the way to kill it is so well
understood, and when it appears annoyingly difficult to trace to an
individual human.  I certainly don't think communications will survive if
the government starts to crumble - that's the first thing they will kill.
You can look at the progress of the Arab Spring to see that.

I can think of a lot of reasons for the government to allow Facebook,
Google, etc.  The fact that the tech sector has grown rapidly in some areas
does not mean the whole sector will do so.  You may remember the troubles
Paypal had, and they were mostly in a well established space.

That's getting into politics so I'll back off. :)

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

2014-02-13 Thread Craig

On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:26:48 -0500 "WILTON"  wrote:

> Is ATL home?  Don't they have tire mechanics elsewhere?

Yes, ATL is Delta's home base.


BTW, I still have not seen Kaleb's original email


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

They wanted me to go back to their place too but it was somewhere south of LA 
and I'd have had to rent a car, besides I had to work the next day...

They gave me business cards which I've still got somewhere. I think they called 
themselves "party consultants". I'd inadvertently told them I go to Vegas for a 
week every year for work.

-Curt

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Since it was probably a short flight, would it have been the half mile high 
club?

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

2014-02-13 Thread WILTON

"Driving" to DR reminds me:  'Bout ten years ago, while SWMBO was Director 
of the local arts council, she often had help from inmates at the federal 
minimum security prison on Seymour Johnson Air Force Base.  One of the 
inmates recounted to her one day the frustration he'd endured a couple of 
days before in preparation for his imminent release.  While preparing the 
inmate's release papers, his counselor/advisor/clerk told him that a bus 
ticket to his home town would be provided for him.  Inmate tried to tell the 
counselor that buses do not go to his home in Puerto Rico - he would need a 
ticket to fly there.  Counselor/clerk was adamant, though, "We provide bus 
tickets - you'll take a bus like everybody else."  They finally got it 
worked out, but the inmate was nearly in tears trying to convince the 
counselor/clerk that he really did need to fly to Puerto Rico - a bus would 
not make it.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks


Dammed hard to drive to the Dominican Republic though...

Last spring the week before we were going to camp Angie was off to Arizona 
with her aunt and cousin, big tour of the metaphysical...
I figured this meant I was going to go to camp on Friday and drive all the 
way the hell back to Boston (400 miles) to get her on Monday or miss out on 
the first 3 days of vacation. Turns out you can fly from Boston to Presque 
Isle, Maine (on a jet no less) for $90 one way. Worked out real good. Such a 
short flight that she texted me just before the door closed, I ate some 
dinner, jumped in the truck and she beat me to the airport.


-Curt

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:10:58 -0500
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On Feb 12, 2014 11:42 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:


"When you have time to spare, go by air." I don't know where that
originated, but my Dad said it all of my life, and he flew his own plane
for 40 years.


My instructor used to say, "If you don't have time to drive, don't fly." I
had to pull that one on my father a few months ago when he was debating a
visit. Being in a hurry causes you to make stupid decisions.

I did think those only applied to private piloting, though. :)

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] atl storm

2014-02-13 Thread Randy Bennell


Well, 48 days will take us into the first week of April.
It was melting nicely a year ago.
Snow in the ditches but the roads were bare as I recall.



On 12/02/2014 9:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Only 48 days?  You must be joking.


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:


On 12/02/2014 3:41 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:


kaleb

it's not a wimpy storm when no one has a snow tire or  chains and there
is little snow removal/sanding equipment for the roads

in Athens, GA i was just out and could almost ice skate in the road .
it is still a little soft

we're supposed to get up to an inch of ICE over night

in 48 hours it should all be melted!
thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

  Now there is the good part - in 48 hours it should be gone.

Here in the GWN we have feet of snow and more coming and it may be gone in
48 days or more.

Randy






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Re: [MBZ] Curt's Birthday

2014-02-13 Thread Frederick Moir

Happy Birthday! (Last week that was)
 
Fred Moir 
Lynn MA 
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: Curt Raymond 
>To: Diesel List  
>Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 2:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin
> 
>
>I thought I was the youngest now that Luther doesn't hang out much anymore. 
>Turned 38 last week.
>
>-Curt
>
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[MBZ] OT who wanted a datalogger?


http://learn.adafruit.com/low-power-wifi-datalogging/

--R


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Re: [MBZ] Snowpocalypse 2014

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2558474/Weather-At-12-dead-thousands-without-power.html#ixzz2tDgw81RB

The boy in DC sent me a pic of his parking lot this morning with snow
covering the cars, then the daughter unit had to respond with her
parking lot in Greensboro NC snow covering the cars too. Neither place
can handle it. We only got rain here at the house, some of it was
trying to turn to "wintry mix" but that was mostly just a bit north, lot
of icing. My wife left yesterday morning to go to work at like 5:30 or
something, the bridges off the island were closed due to icing (we have
no capacity to spread any sand or salt) so she came back home. They
opened them later in the day after it warmed up a little bit so she went
in, but the big bridge from Charleston to Mt. Unpleasant is still closed
as ice has formed on the cables and as it melts it falls off and bombs
cars. 2 weeks ago 3 or 4 cars got windshields blown out by falling ice.

I feel like I am back in Boston again, it is about 32F-34F, damp and
rainy, bordering on the "wintry" mix but it is supposed to be near 60F
tomorrow so will wait until then.

--R

On 2/13/14 3:08 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Its been snowing pretty good all day here in central New England. Yesterday the
national weather service was calling for 8-14 inches. This morning they upped
us to 10-18.

Just before lunch I rebuilt the starter/generator for my Cub Cadet which has
the plow on it. The engine has been starting really hard lately and the starter
was getting pokey, I'd have to smack it with a hammer to get it to work
sometimes. One bearing was a little crusty and the brushes were worn down
pretty good. Back in place it still seems pokey but the battery is taking a
full amp, I wonder if its been only charging occasionally which could cause
slow cranking.

Then I took a couple snowmobiles for a spin, I was a little worried they'd
frozen to the ground what with last week's storm when I was gone. Both started
good and got loose with little trouble. Hard riding right now because its
snowing so hard, visibility is poor and its windy. I also needed my heavy long
underwear, I'd worn my light pair as I wanted to be able to move.

As usual we're prepared, 4 gallons of kerosene, 2 gallons of Coleman fuel, 2
gallons of straight gas, 2 gallons of propane in 1# cans, just under 1 cord of
wood left, plenty of food. We could be off grid for 3-4 days with no serious
disruption at which point I'd have to start tapping the Ranger for gas and pull
some diesel out of the cars. Plenty of diesel, the Jetta is full, 190D half
full, 240D full...

Maybe I'll light the Aladdin lamp Fred gave me for some wintertime ambiance.
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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

Since it was probably a short flight, would it have been the half mile high 
club?

Dan

> On Feb 13, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Interestingly Virgin America has very few male flight attendants.
> 
> Back before Southwest cut way back on flights I used to go Manchester, NH to 
> Vegas and Vegas to Burbank, then the reverse to go home. Leaving Burbank on 
> Friday afternoon headed to Vegas the plane would be about half full of 
> strippers headed there for the weekend. I sat with one woman and got talking. 
> I asked her where she was staying, she told me she didn't know yet but some 
> guy would doubtlessly pick her up. She was making a good living working 1 
> night a week at a "bikini bar" (LA bars can only have topless women) and 2 
> nights in Vegas.
> 
> Coming home was usually a horror show of the same girls ridden hard and put 
> away wet. I sat with 2 girls one time who'd had cocaine left over from their 
> weekend and decided to do it all just before going through airport security. 
> Halfway through the short flight they decided that their clothes were 
> uncomfortable and just took them off. So here I am sitting with 2 totally 
> naked maybe 21-22 year old women acting like its the most normal thing in the 
> world. One offered to take me to the restroom and "rock my world" but I 
> declined.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:24:50 -0500
> From: Rich Thomas 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks
> Message-ID: <52fce3c2.1050...@constructivity.net>
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> 
> What about the women?
> 
> --R
> 
>> On 2/13/14 10:09 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> I flew on Virgin and the FAs were super hot, each one could be in Playboy...
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

2014-02-13 Thread rogerhga

Kaleb, 
Can you just get out of town? Apparently, you have brought bad luck from OK. 
Did you book your flight before this ice storm hit? Maybe we can blame this 
storm on your bad luck as well :-) By now, you could probably have driven to 
somewhere in TX and gotten a direct flight to the DR. 
Several years ago, I did some contract work for Delta on processes. The airline 
industry has some strange requirements that they cause and then they get 
tangled with the FAA which only makes things worse. Between people limits, 
baggage limits, fuel limits, etc., it's amazing they do as well as they do. 
Anyway, I hope you get there and back home safely! 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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[MBZ] Snowpocalypse 2014

Its been snowing pretty good all day here in central New England. Yesterday the 
national weather service was calling for 8-14 inches. This morning they upped 
us to 10-18.

Just before lunch I rebuilt the starter/generator for my Cub Cadet which has 
the plow on it. The engine has been starting really hard lately and the starter 
was getting pokey, I'd have to smack it with a hammer to get it to work 
sometimes. One bearing was a little crusty and the brushes were worn down 
pretty good. Back in place it still seems pokey but the battery is taking a 
full amp, I wonder if its been only charging occasionally which could cause 
slow cranking.

Then I took a couple snowmobiles for a spin, I was a little worried they'd 
frozen to the ground what with last week's storm when I was gone. Both started 
good and got loose with little trouble. Hard riding right now because its 
snowing so hard, visibility is poor and its windy. I also needed my heavy long 
underwear, I'd worn my light pair as I wanted to be able to move.

As usual we're prepared, 4 gallons of kerosene, 2 gallons of Coleman fuel, 2 
gallons of straight gas, 2 gallons of propane in 1# cans, just under 1 cord of 
wood left, plenty of food. We could be off grid for 3-4 days with no serious 
disruption at which point I'd have to start tapping the Ranger for gas and pull 
some diesel out of the cars. Plenty of diesel, the Jetta is full, 190D half 
full, 240D full...

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

If it's not Delta's FBO they have to pay someone to fix it.

They probably turned tail back home to save a buck, or the FBO in the DR is 
crappy (or both).

Dan

> On Feb 13, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> It amazes me that when they discovered the tire thing nobody thought to check 
> if the pilots have time left.
> I suspect what happened is that the pilots didn't really want to go to DR 
> anyway so they trumped up the blown tire idea knowing they'd be over time 
> before they could get another plane in the air. Otherwise wouldn't they have 
> said "well theres no point moving US to another plane, we can't fly anyway.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:52:20 -0500
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back!
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
> 
> So sitting on the plane, now we are not taking off because pilots are over 
> time and can't fly. So they are trying to get a new crew here. I am bound I 
> die today. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

It amazes me that when they discovered the tire thing nobody thought to check 
if the pilots have time left.
I suspect what happened is that the pilots didn't really want to go to DR 
anyway so they trumped up the blown tire idea knowing they'd be over time 
before they could get another plane in the air. Otherwise wouldn't they have 
said "well theres no point moving US to another plane, we can't fly anyway.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:52:20 -0500
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back!
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So sitting on the plane, now we are not taking off because pilots are over time 
and can't fly. So they are trying to get a new crew here. I am bound I die 
today. 

Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin

I thought I was the youngest now that Luther doesn't hang out much anymore. 
Turned 38 last week.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:19:16 -0600
From: Mountain Man 
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Subject: Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:19:16 -0600
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Tim wrote:
> Pretty sure I'm younger than all y'all. :)

Well then, think like fookbace or msft or apl or any tech founder -
get your head out of the sand of history and brainwash need for gov't
to protect and provide.  I have no vision of security or value - I
have more interest because it is different and apart from gov't.  I
despise gov't and I despise gov't as it presents itself today.  I
can't even find a decent primary gov in this state due to corruption
and money and stupidity and the other side is the same.  This is the
same for DC - and you appeal to this? as protection and supply?  We
need to pull our head from the sand.  We all like the peace and happy
of head in sand but that can end and drastically.  Bitcoin is no
nirvana but it presents a new way like pc/apple/fook/wrightbro/etc
where outside the box happens and works.  Picture Paul Revere
appealing to the structure that was.  Tomorrow is not better because
of today.
mao
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

2014-02-13 Thread WILTON

Is ATL home?  Don't they have tire mechanics elsewhere?

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Canfield" 

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Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:40 PM
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Ok, so why in the world would they turn around and land where the damned
worst storm since '73 is supposed to hit?  They don't need a tire to fly
the thing somewhere safer to land right?  Wtf?
Mike
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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

Interestingly Virgin America has very few male flight attendants.

Back before Southwest cut way back on flights I used to go Manchester, NH to 
Vegas and Vegas to Burbank, then the reverse to go home. Leaving Burbank on 
Friday afternoon headed to Vegas the plane would be about half full of 
strippers headed there for the weekend. I sat with one woman and got talking. I 
asked her where she was staying, she told me she didn't know yet but some guy 
would doubtlessly pick her up. She was making a good living working 1 night a 
week at a "bikini bar" (LA bars can only have topless women) and 2 nights in 
Vegas.

Coming home was usually a horror show of the same girls ridden hard and put 
away wet. I sat with 2 girls one time who'd had cocaine left over from their 
weekend and decided to do it all just before going through airport security. 
Halfway through the short flight they decided that their clothes were 
uncomfortable and just took them off. So here I am sitting with 2 totally naked 
maybe 21-22 year old women acting like its the most normal thing in the world. 
One offered to take me to the restroom and "rock my world" but I declined.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:24:50 -0500
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What about the women?

--R

On 2/13/14 10:09 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> I flew on Virgin and the FAs were super hot, each one could be in Playboy...
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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

Dammed hard to drive to the Dominican Republic though...

Last spring the week before we were going to camp Angie was off to Arizona with 
her aunt and cousin, big tour of the metaphysical...
I figured this meant I was going to go to camp on Friday and drive all the way 
the hell back to Boston (400 miles) to get her on Monday or miss out on the 
first 3 days of vacation. Turns out you can fly from Boston to Presque Isle, 
Maine (on a jet no less) for $90 one way. Worked out real good. Such a short 
flight that she texted me just before the door closed, I ate some dinner, 
jumped in the truck and she beat me to the airport.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:10:58 -0500
From: Tim Crone 
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On Feb 12, 2014 11:42 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
>
> "When you have time to spare, go by air."  I don't know where that
> originated, but my Dad said it all of my life, and he flew his own plane
> for 40 years.

My instructor used to say, "If you don't have time to drive, don't fly." I
had to pull that one on my father a few months ago when he was debating a
visit.  Being in a hurry causes you to make stupid decisions.

I did think those only applied to private piloting, though. :)

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

i think you are putting us on at this point


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> So sitting on the plane, now we are not taking off because pilots are over
> time and can't fly. So they are trying to get a new crew here. I am bound I
> die today.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >
> > when i fall, i just get back up
> >
> > the world is insane.  at least at MIA the latins would probably not
> > tolerate this
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  >wrote:
> >
> >> Well we got a new plane supposed to take off soon. Now we are delayed
> >> because one of the flight attendants fell and now they have find a new
> one.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> probably cause they have some free dry rotted tires in atlanta they can
> >> use
> >>> but in any airport they didn't own, they'd have to buy a new real tire
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Michael Canfield <
> slozuk...@gmail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Ok, so why in the world would they turn around and land where the
> damned
>  worst storm since '73 is supposed to hit?  They don't need a tire to
> fly
>  the thing somewhere safer to land right?  Wtf?
>  Mike
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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

I used to do this on Northwest. When there was a delay and I wanted to get 
upgraded, for example, I would wait until some really nasty person would rip 
the gate agent a new one. Then I would swoop in right after and commiserate 
with them.

Almost always worked.

Dan

> On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> One time coming back from LA US Air's system locked right up so it took 10-15 
> minutes per person to check in. I missed my flight and ended up in the line. 
> The lady in front of me vented forever while the guy figured out a way to 
> eventually get her home.
> When I stepped up the first thing I said was "I know this isn't your fault, 
> want a granola bar?" I always pack granola bars when I travel. He didn't take 
> my granola bar but I got put onto United for a direct flight home, no muss, 
> no fuss...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:34:04 -0500
> From: Rich Thomas 
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> 
> I think it has more to do with trying to make a profit.  Airlines have 
> been mostly poor in that regard for years, so the mergers and high load 
> factors are attempts to build revenues and profits, with a lowering of 
> customer service and any semblance of pleasure in your flying, which 
> comes from saving a buck and shaving costs.  It has become like ridin 
> the dog but with smaller seats.
> 
> One thing to remember about flying that I learned early on.  That person 
> behind the desk or the FA on your airplane is the ONLY person who can 
> help you get what you need or want.  Treat him or her nicely and 
> respectfully and your chance of getting what you want/need goes up 
> exponentially.  Most of them are hating the way things are going worse 
> than you are because they have to deal with all the other jerks all day 
> long.  You would be surprised at what a kind word or a brief friendly 
> conversation might get you in the midst of madness all around.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!


union.

--R

On 2/13/14 1:06 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

when i fall, i just get back up

the world is insane.  at least at MIA the latins would probably not
tolerate this


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Well we got a new plane supposed to take off soon. Now we are delayed
because one of the flight attendants fell and now they have find a new one.





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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

So sitting on the plane, now we are not taking off because pilots are over time 
and can't fly. So they are trying to get a new crew here. I am bound I die 
today. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> 
> when i fall, i just get back up
> 
> the world is insane.  at least at MIA the latins would probably not
> tolerate this
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> 
>> Well we got a new plane supposed to take off soon. Now we are delayed
>> because one of the flight attendants fell and now they have find a new one.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>>> 
>>> probably cause they have some free dry rotted tires in atlanta they can
>> use
>>> but in any airport they didn't own, they'd have to buy a new real tire
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Michael Canfield >> wrote:
>>> 
 Ok, so why in the world would they turn around and land where the damned
 worst storm since '73 is supposed to hit?  They don't need a tire to fly
 the thing somewhere safer to land right?  Wtf?
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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

One time coming back from LA US Air's system locked right up so it took 10-15 
minutes per person to check in. I missed my flight and ended up in the line. 
The lady in front of me vented forever while the guy figured out a way to 
eventually get her home.
When I stepped up the first thing I said was "I know this isn't your fault, 
want a granola bar?" I always pack granola bars when I travel. He didn't take 
my granola bar but I got put onto United for a direct flight home, no muss, no 
fuss...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:34:04 -0500
From: Rich Thomas 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks
Message-ID: <52fbf6dc.9030...@constructivity.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

I think it has more to do with trying to make a profit.  Airlines have 
been mostly poor in that regard for years, so the mergers and high load 
factors are attempts to build revenues and profits, with a lowering of 
customer service and any semblance of pleasure in your flying, which 
comes from saving a buck and shaving costs.  It has become like ridin 
the dog but with smaller seats.

One thing to remember about flying that I learned early on.  That person 
behind the desk or the FA on your airplane is the ONLY person who can 
help you get what you need or want.  Treat him or her nicely and 
respectfully and your chance of getting what you want/need goes up 
exponentially.  Most of them are hating the way things are going worse 
than you are because they have to deal with all the other jerks all day 
long.  You would be surprised at what a kind word or a brief friendly 
conversation might get you in the midst of madness all around.

--R
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

when i fall, i just get back up

the world is insane.  at least at MIA the latins would probably not
tolerate this


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Well we got a new plane supposed to take off soon. Now we are delayed
> because one of the flight attendants fell and now they have find a new one.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >
> > probably cause they have some free dry rotted tires in atlanta they can
> use
> > but in any airport they didn't own, they'd have to buy a new real tire
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Michael Canfield  >wrote:
> >
> >> Ok, so why in the world would they turn around and land where the damned
> >> worst storm since '73 is supposed to hit?  They don't need a tire to fly
> >> the thing somewhere safer to land right?  Wtf?
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Well we got a new plane supposed to take off soon. Now we are delayed because 
one of the flight attendants fell and now they have find a new one.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> 
> probably cause they have some free dry rotted tires in atlanta they can use
> but in any airport they didn't own, they'd have to buy a new real tire
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
> 
>> Ok, so why in the world would they turn around and land where the damned
>> worst storm since '73 is supposed to hit?  They don't need a tire to fly
>> the thing somewhere safer to land right?  Wtf?
>> Mike
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

Exactly. All the ice is pretty much melted now

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> On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:40 PM, Michael Canfield  wrote:
> 
> Ok, so why in the world would they turn around and land where the damned
> worst storm since '73 is supposed to hit?  They don't need a tire to fly
> the thing somewhere safer to land right?  Wtf?
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[MBZ] Subject: Re: - 1987 300DT Warning Signs ?

2014-02-13 Thread RDeafBoy

A friend of mine who presently has a 1982 240D manual with 315 K , is  
somewhat looking at 1987 300DT Auto with 165K on it.  Anything to be  aware of 
as far as problems and whatnot ??
 
 Bob
 1983 240D
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

Maintenance base.  Jabba is sending them a new tar.  Be there in a 
coupla days.


--R


On 2/13/14 12:48 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

probably cause they have some free dry rotted tires in atlanta they can use
but in any airport they didn't own, they'd have to buy a new real tire


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:


Ok, so why in the world would they turn around and land where the damned
worst storm since '73 is supposed to hit?  They don't need a tire to fly
the thing somewhere safer to land right?  Wtf?
Mike
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

probably cause they have some free dry rotted tires in atlanta they can use
but in any airport they didn't own, they'd have to buy a new real tire


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> Ok, so why in the world would they turn around and land where the damned
> worst storm since '73 is supposed to hit?  They don't need a tire to fly
> the thing somewhere safer to land right?  Wtf?
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

2014-02-13 Thread Michael Canfield

Ok, so why in the world would they turn around and land where the damned
worst storm since '73 is supposed to hit?  They don't need a tire to fly
the thing somewhere safer to land right?  Wtf?
Mike
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

Who would that be

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> On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:20 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> Hey you know, one of us on this list is a Delta pilot so you better watch 
> it!! :)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:09 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
>> 
>> Good old delta and their junk planes strike again. You might see something 
>> about a plane crash on the news tonight, will know in a minute
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:06 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Took off. About 45min into flying they say they think they blew a tire. 
>>> Getting ready to land in Atlanta again.
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back!

wouldn't he then know better than anyone what a POS low rent operation
delta is?


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:20 PM,  wrote:

> Hey you know, one of us on this list is a Delta pilot so you better watch
> it!! :)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:09 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Good old delta and their junk planes strike again. You might see
> something about a plane crash on the news tonight, will know in a minute
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:06 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Took off. About 45min into flying they say they think they blew a tire.
> Getting ready to land in Atlanta again.
> >>
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Hey you know, one of us on this list is a Delta pilot so you better watch it!! 
:)

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> On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:09 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
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> Good old delta and their junk planes strike again. You might see something 
> about a plane crash on the news tonight, will know in a minute
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:06 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
>> 
>> Took off. About 45min into flying they say they think they blew a tire. 
>> Getting ready to land in Atlanta again.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin

Tim wrote:
> Pretty sure I'm younger than all y'all. :)

Well then, think like fookbace or msft or apl or any tech founder -
get your head out of the sand of history and brainwash need for gov't
to protect and provide.  I have no vision of security or value - I
have more interest because it is different and apart from gov't.  I
despise gov't and I despise gov't as it presents itself today.  I
can't even find a decent primary gov in this state due to corruption
and money and stupidity and the other side is the same.  This is the
same for DC - and you appeal to this? as protection and supply?  We
need to pull our head from the sand.  We all like the peace and happy
of head in sand but that can end and drastically.  Bitcoin is no
nirvana but it presents a new way like pc/apple/fook/wrightbro/etc
where outside the box happens and works.  Picture Paul Revere
appealing to the structure that was.  Tomorrow is not better because
of today.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin

Peter wrote:
> Bitcoin is a delusion, without a banking system it will never be a reliable,
> safe means of payment.

I bet you have grey hair.
Walk away - let the kids/geeks have it.
Time to move away from history and to the reality of today.
mao

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Good old delta and their junk planes strike again. You might see something 
about a plane crash on the news tonight, will know in a minute

Sent from my iPhone

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> Took off. About 45min into flying they say they think they blew a tire. 
> Getting ready to land in Atlanta again.
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[MBZ] I'm back!

Took off. About 45min into flying they say they think they blew a tire. Getting 
ready to land in Atlanta again.

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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks


What about the women?

--R

On 2/13/14 10:09 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I flew on Virgin and the FAs were super hot, each one could be in Playboy...



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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

West Palm is very nice as is Manchester, New Hampshire. I like Providence 
almost as much. Hartford is good but kind of far from me.

Yesterday I flew from LAX to Boston and somehow scored the TSA precheck line. 
I'm going to be signing up for that. More TSA employees than travelers, breezed 
right through.

I flew on Virgin and the FAs were super hot, each one could be in Playboy...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 15:29:08 -0500 From: Gary Hurst  
To: Mercedes Discussion List  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Delta 
sucks Message-ID:

 
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sounds like NYC city buses

what are you favorite airports for going in and out of?

mine are white plains (westchester) and west palm beach

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin

2014-02-13 Thread Jim Cathey


a LONG WAY north of 15 stone


Apparently stones varied, from 5-40 pounds.
Perhaps your local stone was a heavy one?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin

a LONG WAY north of 15 stone


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> i'm 15.  you?
>>
>
> Stone?
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin

2014-02-13 Thread Jim Cathey


i'm 15.  you?


Stone?

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[MBZ] Speaking of OBDs and CANBUSes and such


http://jalopnik.com/hackers-can-take-over-your-car-with-this-simple-26-dev-1519896807/@barrett

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin

i'm 15.  you?


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:

> On Feb 12, 2014 11:05 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
> >
> > here we have the dichotomy between old school thinking and new age
> > thinking.  one guys says it can't be real because some government isn't
> > regulating it and the other guy says it is there for when the government
> > regulated currency is understood by all as unreal.
>
> Actually, the Liberty Dollar was the real recent experiment in non-fiat
> money.  At least those had intrinsic value.  You can read about the
> government shutting them down, but at least holders didn't get left with
> nothing.
>
> To some extent Bitcoin was the reaction to that, take the currency digital
> and unmanageable so no single raid could kill it.  As soon as communication
> is interrupted there is literally no value to a Bitcoin; if you are going
> for a post-government exchange medium you really need to find something
> else. (If you think the next stage is a central world  government that
> won't interrupt communications, then maybe it makes some sense.)
>
> I don't agree with Philip about the reasoning for Bitcoin, but I think we
> agree that it is primarily valuable now because there is a general belief
> that it is safe and anonymous.  Once either belief is shaken the currency
> loses its value, both for the black market practically and for the
> anarchists who are using it for principle.  Just the same as "full faith
> and credit" problems cause FRNs to lose their value, or DM, or EUR, or
> whatever.
>
> > i'd be on the new age side of this debate
>
> Pretty sure I'm younger than all y'all. :)
>
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Re: [MBZ] So far so good

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> Checked in at airport waiting for flight out, still on time.
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[MBZ] So far so good

Checked in at airport waiting for flight out, still on time.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin

On Feb 12, 2014 11:05 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> here we have the dichotomy between old school thinking and new age
> thinking.  one guys says it can't be real because some government isn't
> regulating it and the other guy says it is there for when the government
> regulated currency is understood by all as unreal.

Actually, the Liberty Dollar was the real recent experiment in non-fiat
money.  At least those had intrinsic value.  You can read about the
government shutting them down, but at least holders didn't get left with
nothing.

To some extent Bitcoin was the reaction to that, take the currency digital
and unmanageable so no single raid could kill it.  As soon as communication
is interrupted there is literally no value to a Bitcoin; if you are going
for a post-government exchange medium you really need to find something
else. (If you think the next stage is a central world  government that
won't interrupt communications, then maybe it makes some sense.)

I don't agree with Philip about the reasoning for Bitcoin, but I think we
agree that it is primarily valuable now because there is a general belief
that it is safe and anonymous.  Once either belief is shaken the currency
loses its value, both for the black market practically and for the
anarchists who are using it for principle.  Just the same as "full faith
and credit" problems cause FRNs to lose their value, or DM, or EUR, or
whatever.

> i'd be on the new age side of this debate

Pretty sure I'm younger than all y'all. :)

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin

you miss the point, tim.  i'm talking conceptually here about an article to
a fellow who i now realize.doesn't seem to have read the article.  i'm not
critiquing bitcoin or the article about it.  i'm on about ideas that have
been presented, the concept of a very low cost way to transfer money with
no fraud risk assumed by the receiver, essentially making an online
transfer of money like a cash transaction.  this is very appealing to
someone like me, both on a practical and ideological level.  whether the
article is biased or not doesn't change the fact that a bitcoin style
instrument has legitimate applications and is not merely a took for
illegality (just as cash can be a tool for illegality, but often isn't)

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:

> On Feb 12, 2014 11:45 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
> >
> > did you even read the article we are discussing?
>
> The NY Times piece is a rose colored view written by a fellow who makes
> money when someone transfers a Bitcoin, and who believes (as his investment
> says) that the only value in Bitcoin is in collecting transfer fees.  I'm
> sure Visa also thinks their fees are small and reasonable.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin

On Feb 12, 2014 11:45 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> did you even read the article we are discussing?

The NY Times piece is a rose colored view written by a fellow who makes
money when someone transfers a Bitcoin, and who believes (as his investment
says) that the only value in Bitcoin is in collecting transfer fees.  I'm
sure Visa also thinks their fees are small and reasonable.

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Re: [MBZ] Delta sucks

On Feb 12, 2014 11:42 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
>
> "When you have time to spare, go by air."  I don't know where that
> originated, but my Dad said it all of my life, and he flew his own plane
> for 40 years.

My instructor used to say, "If you don't have time to drive, don't fly." I
had to pull that one on my father a few months ago when he was debating a
visit.  Being in a hurry causes you to make stupid decisions.

I did think those only applied to private piloting, though. :)

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bitcoin